plugins-dev-chat

[upper vapor]

i actually said thius out loud

[harsh thorn]

alternatives such as simply sending a PlayAs in a speakertoy solves that problem, and also tackles the initial concern that lead to it in the first place

[jaunty trail]

imagine joining a server and they kick you for muting annoying sounds or admins ban you when you mute them

[slate flume]

Okay so Cedric
The server has access to way more incriminating info than who someone has muted (IP address for instance)
Isn't there a clause in the CSG dictating that servers can't disclose that info nor discriminate based on other personal info like that?

[upper vapor]

the humble CSG

+1 clause

[soft turtle]

Thanks

[upper vapor]

sure, it's more work to get that in the CSG

instead of doing an alternative

[harsh thorn]

why make a rule to dicate it when we could just prevent it alltogether and provide you with a different way to achieve what you wanted:

speakertoys that follow client mutes by simply sending what player it should play as

[slate flume]

But it means better flexibility for devs and better user experience for players (as you could enforce client-mutes in text chat implementations and otherwise)

[upper vapor]

yes

[jaunty trail]

just because they shouldn't doesn't mean they won't
Also it would be hard to forbid displaying it to staff

[slate flume]

Because it fixes one subsect of the problem, not the problem as a whole

[slate flume]

Yeah and a server I join may publicly display my IP

[jaunty trail]

that is unavoidable

[upper vapor]

okay, staff knows that player A hates player B
now what

[harsh thorn]

theres a difference between information a server needs to have (they need the ip to send a response to you)
and information that is not required for the server to work

[jaunty trail]

just because you visit a website (they have your ip and browser metadata!!) doesn't mean they should just get your full name as well

[true arch]

ip is harmless

[slate flume]

🗣️

[jaunty trail]

if a mod knows you muted them they could get quite pissy
it's also a design choice/slippery slope you go down

[restive turret]

this whole conv doesnt go anywhere

[jaunty trail]

obviously

[slate flume]

Report them to SL trust and safety?

[true arch]

can you two lovebirds take it to dms

[upper vapor]

then it's the owner's responsibility to hire staff that aren't so influenced by emotions

[jaunty trail]

ah yes, lets just make it possible and let trust & safety clean up the mess
surely

[restive turret]

tf they gonna do? force unmute the guy on your client?

[jaunty trail]

reality is often dissappointing

[slate flume]

That's literally what the CSG is about big bro

[upper vapor]

convert this conv into cat memes

[true arch]

spam broadcasts saying to unmute them

budd

[upper vapor]

can't hear staff -> gets banned -> requests unban
crazy idea

[slate flume]

This just goes right back to the idea of the CSG

[restive turret]

like that do shit? I warn people over to mute soundboard or stop this or that but they still continue so

[upper vapor]

why am i getting google login alerts from a year ago

5 in a row

[true arch]

theres no respect in scp sl bub

[harsh thorn]

This conversation isnt going anywhere so im going to just end it here.

No we will not be adding it into the CSG, that goes against the principle we setup when redesigning the VSR into the CSG (we do not want to have a giant rulebook with a bunch of small things that can be solved differently and caused a massive workload on S&C)

You will not be able to access client mutes, sorry.
As you had concerns about speakertoys, i presented an alternative method for you to achieve that goal

The textchat concern is valid, but you can easily add a mute command, this is a null argument as you werent able to access mutes in the first place and had to do this already.

[slate flume]

So your solution is to instead implement a server-specific mute system to enforce mutes instead of using the base-game system?

Does that not fall into the existing pitfalls you've mentioned?

Is that not also worse for the playerbase?

Ridiculous

[jaunty trail]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[slate flume]

This whole thing is absurd as hell

[upper vapor]

we shall now discuss the wonders of tea

https://tenor.com/view/british-gif-26077384

[restive turret]

alternative solution currently vs when done will be completly different.

[jaunty trail]

guys guys I swear man the security lead is tweaking I NEED this

[jaunty trail]

i was gonna ask iced or normal

[upper vapor]

how about both

[jaunty trail]

but then I realized do british people even consider iced tea, tea?

[upper vapor]

great question

@icy knoll

[unique crane]

He presented the idea to play the voice message "as the player", letting the client handle the muting themself

[restive turret]

thats a brand "ice tea"

[jaunty trail]

monkey

[ashen hound]

audio visual be like

[jaunty trail]

💔

[slate flume]

You missed my point
What about text chat?
That was what I was pointing out in his comment

[jaunty trail]

idk man I know generic ice tea from supermarkets

[unique crane]

Well.. we dont have text chat in SL

do we

[ashen hound]

on top its current time + on bottom ticks

[slate flume]

The only way I can advocate for myself is in these channels, I'm going to speak my mind on these even though you wish to ridicule me

[slate flume]

I'm talking about server-specific implementations of text chats

They have no way to abide by client mutes

[upper vapor]

at lumi

[slate flume]

^

[jaunty trail]

the removal of hints ratelimit and it's consequences

[unique crane]

Does he know

[restive turret]

[upper vapor]

i love fft (no clue how it works but some guy cooked with it)

[icy knoll]

what

[jaunty trail]

I really don't I stopped very actively following SL development before it happened...
or is this DisplayKit? I imagined it would be possible with some tmp tag that does line height, without DisplayKit?

[upper vapor]

doing that with line height is insanely finicky

[restive turret]

ratelimit removed around 14?

or 14.1

[upper vapor]

ye

[restive turret]

idk i never did hints

[upper vapor]

some minor-er update

[unique crane]

This is display kit yes

And we will allow seperate components for UI

[jaunty trail]

You mean multiple at once? I thought that was given

I already asked ced, I am more interested about custom UXML. You guys seemed to suggest that custom UCCS or whatever it's called will be possible already

[unique crane]

Currently its done by code

[restive turret]

i have zero clue about that 😭

[unique crane]

c# code

Ik you can copy the things

[jaunty trail]

going from hints to DisplayKit to continue displaying a progress bar via characters would be pretty dumb

[unique crane]

Well

[ashen hound]

no one stops you from making converter

[unique crane]

^

[ashen hound]

what if converter is already done

[jaunty trail]

It depends on what the client accepts right

[unique crane]

No you send raw bytes

[jaunty trail]

if the client will happily serialize and display whatever then no issue

[unique crane]

What we mean by converter is XML -> C# code

If you do that

it will work

[jaunty trail]

I understood that

it was because you guys are wrapping the unity comps from what I saw and assumed

[restive turret]

me sending over my 2GB UXML

[ashen hound]

you can optimize stuff way easier instead of sending raw XML string

[unique crane]

basically

And networking them

[restive turret]

who are them

[jaunty trail]

you guys did say the available wrappers/comps would be a topic

so I assumed that not all would be wrapped (the list is huge)

[ashen hound]

xdd

I would want to say something but cant

[ashen hound]

you will see what is available someday

[jaunty trail]

If canvas and DisplayText are unity base classes

then you can discard everything I said, I assumed wrong

[harsh thorn]

their not the base classes, their a wrapped version of them afaik

[jaunty trail]

^^

[jaunty trail]

-> if a wrapper for a bar was missing

[unique crane]

This should give you the idea of what it available

[ashen hound]

I can say what you seen its mostly added

also this code could be x versions ahead

[restive turret]

behind

[ashen hound]

xdd

Idk when that pic was taken

[restive turret]

2023 06 23 14 44

[ashen hound]

ILE

[jaunty trail]

💔 misunderstand my question

given that the current uses wrapper (networking, etc), I assume not all of these https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.3/Documentation/ScriptReference/UnityEngine.UIElementsModule.html will be available to use
-> unless you can send over custom UXML or tag or whatever (see code idea I sent)

[restive turret]

You will be able to seen soon what can and cannot be done.

[jaunty trail]

ok sure

[restive turret]

damn these too much, just checked

[ashen hound]

bruh

[restive turret]

i scrolled and felt infinite

[ashen hound]

just theres elements + properties for these elements

[upper vapor]

you can only sleep at night or during thunderstorms

[restive turret]

no

i can sleep at daytime

[upper vapor]

well then there's a thunderstorm somewhere

[ashen hound]

also not all fields are available for unity runtime

what you seen there

most its editor only

thats what UI toolkit supports for runtime

[real spade]

help

I need iconfig how do I make it?

[restive turret]

there is no iconfig in labapi

[real spade]

okay, but how do I do the configuration?

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/wiki/Adding-Configurations-(P1)

[restive turret]

check the Examples

[real spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251963989878112276/1294700919463612439/HubertDDoS.gif

[restive turret]

check the Examples
There is no such a thing as IConfig

Also I suggest learning basic C#

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/

[jaunty trail]

IConfig is exiled

but this is just schizphrenia

[restive turret]

interfaces cant have overrides in earlier .net version either

[jaunty trail]

wdym?

[restive turret]

interface testytest
{
virtual void test() {}
}

[jaunty trail]

I think they added overriding support for inherited types

[upper vapor]

you can do this in .net standard
which is technically what unity uses

default interface implementation

[restive turret]

never seen unity using interface

[upper vapor]

if you remember the scandal about the property that was added to ICommand with a default implementation

that used this c# feature

[jaunty trail]

c# 8

[upper vapor]

escape something

or idk

[jaunty trail]

scandal

[restive turret]

either it still not valid for either exiled or labapi

[jaunty trail]

remember getting compiler errors about that once

[upper vapor]

critikal here

[jaunty trail]

idk where ur getting this from btw

[restive turret]

no i also dont remember

[jaunty trail]

class PluginConfig

[upper vapor]

from the no idea about how to write C#, probably

[jaunty trail]

^^

[jaunty trail]

monkey

[jaunty trail]

what in the command registration

ai slopmaxxing

laxiledapi typ sh

[real spade]

what

[slate flume]

I don't understand why SL restricts the ability of developers so much

[real spade]

what

[slate flume]

What?

[real spade]

what ?

[sinful bronze]

Vibe code of mind

[real spade]

how do I write this code?

how to fix errors блять уебан сука

[sinful bronze]

Ну бля пойми сначала что ты пишешь в коде, перед тем как понять в чем проблема

[real spade]

о

рус

блять я переписывал код 5 раз

[sinful bronze]

And what you realized

Labapi.interfaces dont even exist

First of all

[real spade]

and how to change just delete using

[sinful bronze]

Yeah

And iconfig not exist too cuz u dont need this

IConfig exist in exiled

[real spade]

but I need a config.

[sinful bronze]

In labapi u just create config

Public class config

[real spade]

Okay, and how to solve it

[sinful bronze]

Thats all

U dont have consolecommand in playerevents

[real spade]

And how do I do it?

[sinful bronze]

Idk what you want to do

[real spade]

well

[real spade]

блять

и чо это

[tulip kiln]

That is prime !c# material

!c#

[halcyon kite]

https://tenor.com/view/thosewhoknow-pigeon-brainrot-mango-gif-11528999376336191041

[regal lake]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/

[mild ice]

Keep it to English here please!

[restive turret]

You and you guys triangles

[soft depot]

Clearly a message from God

[upper pike]

So what happened in the stream?

[crimson dune]

hopefully we get the recap announcement soon

[restive turret]

A quick powernap later

[quiet rune]

Is there a way to make a Player count towards a team without having to Lock the round? Im trying to implement something like SCP 035, however im struggling with making him actually count towards being an SCP.

[restive turret]

I recorded it , wasn't great recording but if u want can share here

I'm very amateur recorder

[upper pike]

Sure

[restive turret]

https://youtu.be/-4pmeZiKpwM

Starts at ~4

If u want tmr can create a timestamplist or whatever it is called

[crimson dune]

yay

[slate flume]

Subscribe to RoundEndingConditionsCheckEvent or whatever the name is

[quiet rune]

Thanks!

[slate flume]

Happy to help :)

[worn gull]

Or you can patch the team so he will be with SCPs even if he's a humanrole

[quiet rune]

how would one do that?

[soft depot]

hmmmmmmmmmmm, that's a bit complicated to be honest. You could patch PlayerRoleUtils.GetTeam(ReferenceHub) with a prefix to return Team.SCPs if the ReferenceHub is your 035 or something, but I wouldn't know how that'd impact things overall

it'd definitely affect the round stopping

[next jungle]

i personally just wrote a transformer to redirect that one call to GetTeam and it works perfectly for me for that usage

[quiet rune]

thank you all

[slate flume]

To note, @quiet rune, this doesn't work with everything
Some parts of the codebase run checks like if (player.CurrentRole is SpectatorRole), which only returns true if the players actual role is based around being a spectator
I'm not sure if similar things are done for SCPs elsewhere in the codebase

[final flame]

Where I can start learn to program?

[slate flume]

You'll have to learn C#, there's a lot of great resources out there
I can't say what would work the best, as that's ultimately dependent on how you learn
Microsoft has their own course though

[final flame]

Okey thanks u tomorrow I start

In Spain is 4 am

[slate flume]

Yeah, it's a long journey, but I personally enjoy it

[slate flume]

Okay so you guys know how 096 door is now fucked up and half of it doesn't work

Is there a way to detect if a door is that type

[next jungle]

not sure, I know you def can't break it even tho it's marked as breakable

[soft depot]

https://youtu.be/p3CN9JQbGxE

[autumn nebula]

Yo

[celest thorn]

I do kinda wonder can you like detect if a player mutes another player? like a sync value?

[upper vapor]

there was a whole ass argument about this yesterday

[celest thorn]

fr?

[upper vapor]

the answer is no, and it will most likely not be added

-# -ced

[celest thorn]

ok

thats cool

[unique crane]

He proposed alternative to it tho

[upper vapor]

he proposed what was already proposed

[upper pike]

He said it louder

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[celest thorn]

the thing is i just wanted to check so i can see if i should display a message on my custom chat system

and didn't wanna bother the player with "Hey go to SSSS to do that"

[upper vapor]

yeah that's the only solution pretty much

every single system

has to implement their own muting

[celest thorn]

sadly

it would be useful to know that

[upper vapor]

i would veto ced's veto

[upper vapor]

though that isn't possible

try not to get political challenge

[upper vapor]

krazy

[icy knoll]

hard in the current state of the world

[upper vapor]

wow shitcord works perfectly

[celest thorn]

yea i know its for privacy reason lol

[upper vapor]

we have voice chat privacy settings

atp we could have mute privacy settings

[celest thorn]

you know like why tf should i collect who you hate and want to mute lol

like who cares who tf wants to know that?

[upper vapor]

idk advertising or something

like

[celest thorn]

Im gonna sell you a repellant for "This guy" that you muted on SCP:SL

[upper vapor]

XDD

[celest thorn]

btw updating an entire project and rewriting all of the docs and everything

for like methods and shit

i had 200k erros

[upper vapor]

fuckoing sucks?

[celest thorn]

yes....

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/y3rtv17h.png

[upper vapor]

more added than removed

[celest thorn]

i added docs

thats why

[upper vapor]

ah

so what's the number if you subtract the docsű

[celest thorn]

all of code repetition and stuff like that

but i still need to do a bit more stuff

and added stylecop

[upper vapor]

ah helll nahhhh

[celest thorn]

code looked like a mess

in a real sense

[upper vapor]

did you know

that you can just

[celest thorn]

?

[celest thorn]

What is that???

Black magic?????

[upper vapor]

crazy ik

[celest thorn]

the source code is old asf too

like im telling you 13.5 around

now we are almost 15

so

[halcyon terrace]

...

[unique crane]

tf did you do

[celest thorn]

damn thats cool

release code

how tf people do this stuff lol

[slender lynx]

@celest thorn when triangle release date

[celest thorn]

first gm, and second you think i work at nw

[slender lynx]

i will throw party for my team

[celest thorn]

lol

[slender lynx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277981780661764146/1466082929749786676/togif.gif

knowledge

[celest thorn]

1 bottle of alcohol for each nw staff who contributes

[slender lynx]

is a powerful thing

[slender lynx]

i know one is def getting a gift

ill send them smth

[celest thorn]

idk here is kinda a tradition to give gift for big thing like idk christmas we give doctors big boxes of gift and shit

and ALOT of alcohol

wine especially

[slender lynx]

idk man i just blew like a grand at the liquor store

[celest thorn]

damn...

[restive turret]

Lmao

[celest thorn]

just need the git commit history

[slender lynx]

watch the code slowly go from readable to completely uncomphrehendable as they drink

[celest thorn]

lol

it seems that opening a cmd and doing scpsl.exe -fdiscord doesn't work anymore there's any other way to start another instance?

[unique crane]

Just starting the .exe should work no?

[celest thorn]

it doesn't

[upper vapor]

they want different user IDs

[unique crane]

oooooof

[celest thorn]

just only if i start it from steam

[upper vapor]

it does

[unique crane]

Start from steam with discord auth and then start via .exe?

[celest thorn]

let me check

[soft turtle]

ExplosiveGrenadeProjectile.SpawnActive(position, ItemType.GrenadeHE, null, 0.01);

How do I detonate a grenade and damage players?
If the player is null, the grenade explodes but does no damage.

[celest thorn]

I've seen that the PID just stops

[restive turret]

Dummy

[celest thorn]

for the one opened with the .exe

[restive turret]

Check log

[upper vapor]

is there a footprint overload?

[soft turtle]

Creating dummy every time is a bad idea

[celest thorn]

which logs?

[upper vapor]

journalctl

[celest thorn]

sure...

[restive turret]

Just create one and hide it from the list

[restive turret]

The player log

[celest thorn]

Logs say alot...

OHHHH ITS LOADING VULKAN lol

[upper vapor]

vulkan

😭

[celest thorn]

i have problem with SL and vulkan

wtf is doing that

[restive turret]

-dx11

[celest thorn]

i forgot that i had -force-d3d12

in my config lol

lets see

[celest thorn]

forgot to reply but yes it worked

[hearty shard]

holy macaroni im eve

[celest thorn]

what else would you be?

a potato?

[harsh thorn]

we didnt make any changes in regard to this, so it should still work

[celest thorn]

if you read past on top i found out sl went on default to vulkan

and that crashed it

[harsh thorn]

unity moment

[sweet flax]

how can i set players custom info with multipile lines?

usin ⁨\n⁩ just puts it raw \n

[upper vapor]

Try <br>
Pretty sure \n should work

[sweet flax]

okey nvm i used ⁨cinfo⁩

[sweet flax]

br is i think illegal

[upper vapor]

Yeah \n is treated literally in commands

Unless if you paste a newline

[halcyon kite]

Good evening!

I wanted to ask if it’s allowed to create a launcher and custom central servers for older game versions. I read in the EULA that “Developing, hosting, distributing, sharing, or using an Emulated Central Server is forbidden,” but I’ve seen similar projects exist, so I’m not sure how this applies to non-commercial, community-focused projects.

I’d like to host these servers in my Discord community alongside newer versions so people can play together.

This would be purely for learning, experimentation, and community use.

Thank you for your guidance!

[unique crane]

Afaik you should email security to get permission? @languid temple ?

[mild ice]

We offer special permission for central servers in select cases, which you can get by contacting the security email:
⁨⁨[e-mail]⁩⁩
Without permission this would be a violation of our EULA, whatever it's purpose

[languid temple]

damn you lucid

[languid temple]

but yes

in this case they need to email security

[unique crane]

Yipee I got it right

[languid temple]

!rep @unique crane

[regal lake]

You have just given @unique crane a reputation point!

[languid temple]

good job

[unique crane]

payday

[halcyon kite]

Alright, thanks! I’ll email the security team.

[restive turret]

sec says "No."

[halcyon kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268558788546400338/1269704602945716345/emoji.gif

[hearty shard]

!rep @hearty shard

[regal lake]

You can't give a rep to yourself!

[hearty shard]

damn

flip you

[halcyon kite]

!rep @dense widget

[regal lake]

Member "@dense widget" not found.

[halcyon kite]

Эхх

[soft depot]

here

!rep @hearty shard

[regal lake]

You have just given @hearty shard a reputation point!

[sinful bronze]

They will

We alr have many removed illegal central servers...

But shhh

This must know only security

[west tide]

laxiledapi typ x chatgpt

[restive turret]

Me connecting to my "::" central server

[lavish sierra]

How can i figure out the Player that cuffed someone inside the OnPlayerEscaped Event?

Basically ⁨ev.Player.DisarmedBy⁩ but before the player escaped.

[restive turret]

Escaping

[lavish sierra]

damn didnt see that event, sorry

[restive turret]

@thin shuttle i might have found the issue for 939 and 106 (tho Idk about the camera one, never seen such a thing).
Hopefully can verify my findings soon™

[thin shuttle]

are you able to show the code or that confidential ?

also if we can have a way to make than 106 can't got through door that would be nice too

i mean this time intentionally

[restive turret]

FpcMotorProcessor and when removing it does i-- so it removing the previous one and not the current (I assume as that)
In 939 some effect(?)

[restive turret]

There should be a door property

CanGoThrou but i have to check the code for it

[thin shuttle]

door property is only for door lock

so we need to fakesync the lock

to make it can't go through

[restive turret]

If door has IScp106PassableDoor

IsScp106Passable is false

[celest thorn]

why then make it IScp106passable lol

if the value would be false

[restive turret]

Because for example the 079 door is behaving differently if not all gens active

106 can't go tru that, only if all gens actived

[thin shuttle]

@restive turret

ActiveLocks == 0

[restive turret]

Lol

I didn't seen that sry

[celest thorn]

in the past i remember it used to be go through lol

[restive turret]

I was in 106Movement

[restive turret]

I cant remember if you could go tru that

[celest thorn]

i can because i remember 106 camping

in there

[restive turret]

Maybe because the lockedstate is added after that?

[thin shuttle]

no worry i thinks that working for year

until someone said me it's wasn't

[celest thorn]

btw slejm

[thin shuttle]

i remind that

[restive turret]

I can gitblame

[celest thorn]

i have a question do you have client side code

[thin shuttle]

because i was doing it

[restive turret]

Yes

[celest thorn]

ok

[thin shuttle]

yeah they can modify it

[celest thorn]

MovementInaccuracyModule wtf is this?

[celest thorn]

nah i wanna understand wtf is this

lol

if its used by the server or not

because i cannot find any reference

ig this code is a mystery for slejm too

[celest thorn]

btw yamato how you doing?

[thin shuttle]

fine :3

[celest thorn]

thats cool

[thin shuttle]

waiting for more review on Exiled

:3

[celest thorn]

btw i found a bug with a client that i was doing plugin and shit

and it was on exiled

WHY is exiled using for scp079 recontain the shitty section of it that actually bugs the facility lol

rather than using same method nw uses

[restive turret]

Gives you inaccuracy based on movement and attachments

[celest thorn]

yea i saw that but it has a look into function

[restive turret]

As you can read from code

[celest thorn]

so is it used for like the accstats

it has a menu context lol

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/hxhk032b.png

amazing context nw

without this i wouldn't know it cleared cache

[thin shuttle]

xD

[restive turret]

Its a button(?) show in the inspection menu

I think

I never checked what firearms have

[celest thorn]

yes

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.3/Documentation/ScriptReference/ContextMenu.html

[restive turret]

Calling the Scooby gang to find clues

https://tenor.com/view/scoobydoo-gif-622972956672831224

[celest thorn]

nw code is a mystery

before nw knew how it worked

now only god knows

[restive turret]

I mean I can read the xml doc but

[restive turret]

Idk if client or server sided btw

[hearty shard]

bam bam bam

evil slime boy

[restive turret]

I assume its both

[celest thorn]

i assume too

because i think this is the one that shows accuracy

else why there would be a method for that?

[wary gust]

I was doing something with MovementInaccuracyModule on the server a while back

You can change the inaccuracy on the server it just won't change the visuals on clinet iirc

I was making it so movement has no effect on accuracy. Lemme find you my patch. Idk if it'll be of much help

[celest thorn]

nah

it was a friend of mine asking me what it was

i didn't have answer either

because i saw 0 use

[wary gust]

Where would I report the following bug: Scp173 being unaffected by Silent Walk effect.
Like LabAPI or normal game? Since IIRC Yamato said something at one point about getting regular reports ignored because they required RA to reproduce.

[restive turret]

Wdym by not affected

[wary gust]

you can hear the scraping sound

all other SCPs have their footsteps muted (includes 939 running).

@restive turret So where do I report?

[restive turret]

Idk

[wary gust]

i'll try base game then.

[celest thorn]

normal game

if you can test it on a server without plugin

and it does same behavior

then yea

[restive turret]

Ye it does

[wary gust]

time to wipe my local dedicated!

[celest thorn]

so then base game lol

[restive turret]

You can run on other port

[wary gust]

I have stuff in global

[wary gust]

I'm just renaming LabApi to LabApi-backup

[upper vapor]

You can tell the profile not to load global stuff

LabApi-0.yml

[wary gust]

renaming is easier

[upper vapor]

Yeah but then you'll need to do it again if you need a clean dedicated server

[wary gust]

you sure? this is from https://git.scpslgame.com/northwood-qa/scpsl-bug-reporting/-/wikis/List-of-"Not-SCP:SL-Bugs"

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1387522145294356500/attachment-3-1.gif

[restive turret]

We should add the same for labapu bugreport

[upper vapor]

Mega troll

[hearty shard]

people die when they are killed

[wary gust]

I see a few reports with [RA] in the name so I'll give it a shot

[upper vapor]

Let's test it (in SL)

[celest thorn]

guys sl needs to add peripheral modes

like it supports hardware idk like a shotgun

you die in game and you get shot irl

[next jungle]

Interesting plugin ideas

[celest thorn]

i did a plugin in the past that connected to real life peripheral which wasn't so family friendly

lets say drunk and developer isn't the smartest idea

but someone coff yamato coff liked it and wanted src

i still wonder wtf yamato did with that

[wary gust]

@celest thorn is this normal?

[celest thorn]

idk im not nw

but no

[wary gust]

it went through the second time I hope

[thin shuttle]

could you said what exactly isn't working

[celest thorn]

ehm idk even the guy was kinda confused when he explained it to me but it seems that when the round restarts and the event is canceled for scp079 recontain it blocks all of the doors

but this doesn't happen with labapi because its placed in a different position rather checking each player

than the event in general

maybe add something to check recontainment for each player rather than the entire method like how labapi does

its more versitile to be honest

[teal junco]

Well you would need to connect to the server with the peripheral instead of your client right

So usually itll be slightly out of sync with your client

[celest thorn]

yes i did it like that

the tool i used uses a websocket connection

that allows a server to send data

for the thing to do stuff irl

[teal junco]

So scp sl is probably not the most friendly for perihperal

[thin shuttle]

what method exactly can you send the link

i am not getting it

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/rjkj90jl.png

exiled adds code in here

instead labapi does here
https://i.e-z.host/🐀/1weiqapj.png

which doesn't bug out the cassie and risk that the map gets softlocked which appears to happen in game but really rare but with denying the exiled event for recontain it happens 99%

i couldn't verify it because i changed the code and fixed it but the guy told me that

[thin shuttle]

again

i don't get where that code is

API or Event ?

wish file ?

[celest thorn]

Event

its an event

the SCP079Recontain event

it points to that code and adds the return and stuff

[thin shuttle]

.

that one ?

[celest thorn]

ing

one

[celest thorn]

yes

[thin shuttle]

we do not add anything ?

[celest thorn]

the code..?

[thin shuttle]

other than event it's self ?

[celest thorn]

yea the code of the event

        public void OnRecontaining(RecontainingEventArgs ev) {
            if (Player.Enumerable.Any(p => p.IsNPC && p.Role.Type == RoleTypeId.Scp079))
            {
                ev.IsAllowed = false;
                Log.Info("1");
            }
            Log.Info("2");
        }

This code seemed to softlock the entire next round without allowing to open doors and stuff

because of an infinite overcharge

which i fixed by changing to the labapi one

[thin shuttle]

also this was made before LabAPI existed

[celest thorn]

yea but idk now it causes issues

with this code you can softlock the next round the explanation i was given

[thin shuttle]

i think NWAPI was placed here

and our index didn't got broken

but got placed somewhere else because of that

and that might be the reason

[celest thorn]

magic

[thin shuttle]

since nobody did report on it

[celest thorn]

you guys never fixed it

[thin shuttle]

we never got reported

[celest thorn]

and i randomly stumble upon it because of a developer trying to fix my "code"

when my code was correct

[thin shuttle]

we never fixed a bug we didn't even know it's exist lol

[celest thorn]

ig gg for the guy who randomly decided to change my code to Exiled stuff i used the labapi because i knew it used the player and continued if denied

have fun fixing it

but in case make it similar to the labapi because that would be gg

[thin shuttle]

but look if we got have a report on it before it's would have been already fixed

[celest thorn]

nope

its 2 years that anyone ever talked about it

on issues

ig i will do the report

[soft turtle]

Why SpeakerToy::IsPlaying always true?
If i play a sound and the sound has already stopped playing, SpeakerToy::IsPlaying will still remain true.

[frail zinc]

Hey, the summary about the last stage hasn't been published yet ?

[restive turret]

Currently not. Should be sent today or tomorrow.

If you still wish to see what was on the stage can link a video with timestamps

[upper vapor]

That's for the AudioTransmiter provided by labapi
And in theory, no, it shouldn't be always true

[soft turtle]

But it always true

[upper vapor]

Well

[soft turtle]

More precisely, it is initially False, but if you play the sound and the sound ends, it will remain True.

[upper vapor]

Yeah so

Don't use AudioTransmitter

[soft turtle]

Yep. I using SpeakerToy::CurrentTime

CurrentTime shows the duration of the sound, but if the sound stops, it shows 0

[upper vapor]

I guess you might be able to use that

If the clips list is empty and the current time is 0

[soft turtle]

Already

[upper vapor]

Then you have an IsPlayong = false

Yeah

If there's no such bug report yet, please report it

[celest thorn]

@upper vapor

i have a question

how hard would it be

to make a server that isn't a server

like sitelink but with steroids

[upper vapor]

Reaching near the level of self murder

[celest thorn]

Hmmm would it be impressive?

[upper vapor]

Write a Minecraft server in rust
Write an SL server in Zig

[celest thorn]

Nah im gonna write in C#

so i can just use mirror

[upper vapor]

Lame

[celest thorn]

else i would kill myself

crazy because i see that i cannot breach the point of optimization

i have a last bottleneck

and that is UNITY

unity is stopping me from reaching my full potential

[upper vapor]

Yeah have fun with proper collisions xd

[celest thorn]

True

that is something i will have a lot fun with :3

but ig it is even worth it?

to just get more ram and more instances running at a low cost

pratically free

[hearty shard]

bam bam

[restive turret]

I think you prob could

[hearty shard]

its sheep time

[upper vapor]

You're bagged

Banned

Wtv

[hearty shard]

ax

ur a bag

[restive turret]

Without even touching mirror (maybe just looking at the code)

[celest thorn]

I mean

the most i need is movement

and syncing between players

and just toys running

that would be enough

[upper vapor]

You'll probably die of natural causes before figuring that out

[celest thorn]

and then rewrite the entire plugin

[restive turret]

Sitelink alr hande most thing

[celest thorn]

yea... but not everything i need

so im probably gonna make a multithreaded build of that

[restive turret]

F

[celest thorn]

and just try to make it run as good as possible

[upper vapor]

The duality of plugin developer:
"I want a triangle"
"I'm gonna rewrite the SL server without unity"

[restive turret]

"im gonna make my own game"

[celest thorn]

That sucks

modding is way funnier

and painful

[restive turret]

Both are painful

[celest thorn]

it actually brings me to an insanity i love

just pure agony and creativity

[upper vapor]

That's a different topic

[restive turret]

Screaming into unity or game why it behave as that

[celest thorn]

my last bottlenecks

in life is unity

once that is removed

i can do ANYTHING

60 tps

100%

even 200k tps

[restive turret]

And 0 players

[celest thorn]

and in a college degree it would be impressive

[celest thorn]

idc

atleast i did do something that is complex

and makes me learn more

and i can say i did it

[restive turret]

Well goog luck

[celest thorn]

idk i still need to discuss this

[restive turret]

To whom

Maro

[celest thorn]

because this would be crazy and worth it so i can run

1GB sl server

and not even

[celest thorn]

yea

idk how much maro would be on board on this crazy idea

[restive turret]

Well worht a shot trying

You have everything prob

[celest thorn]

else im gonna develop it on my free time

and just then release it

[restive turret]

Idk how you would handle labapi event and such

[celest thorn]

wdym?

[restive turret]

Or unity server related events

[celest thorn]

labapi isn't just server side?

[celest thorn]

Oh for that im probably gonna make not a replacement

thats highly stupid

and just way hard

[restive turret]

For example you cant handle escapes ig

[celest thorn]

i mean idc

escape is something for weak people

[restive turret]

So wouldn't be fully operatable

[celest thorn]

ig

but idc for that

i care for custom gamemodes

more than anything

[restive turret]

SSS might work

[celest thorn]

OH fuck

[restive turret]

If displaykit release that would work too

[celest thorn]

i forgot abou SSS

i heavily work with SSS

[restive turret]

Its mainly just reading message

[celest thorn]

hmmm clinically insanity?

soon

minestorm for sl?

[restive turret]

Huh

What's that

[celest thorn]

https://github.com/Minestom/Minestom

[restive turret]

Rust in SL

[celest thorn]

minecraft but

without anyhting

you need to code everything from pratically almost scratch

but runs really light

because there's something crazy pissing me off alot rn, sometimes the server goes 59 tps for a split frame

i still don't understand what it is

everything has been optimized

to a point idk what to even optimize

[frail zinc]

That would be awesome thanks

[pulsar locust]

congrats you discovered frame lag

1 tps isn't gonna do anything

[celest thorn]

it is...

it pisses me off

so much

WHY it exist

im going through insanity to find that

but i cannot

[restive turret]

https://youtu.be/-4pmeZiKpwM

[slender lynx]

false.?

makes frame perfect stuff impossible

eg, what i use

[pulsar locust]

Latency would probably put a stop to that before anything

[slender lynx]

dosent matter

we removed that

everything is client based

[sweet flax]

when is it better to use Update() in monobehaviour and when use coroutine?

because ive been thinkiing about it and i came to conclusin that nothing needs to be done every frame

[celest thorn]

idk they are really similar

[upper vapor]

They're the same thing essentially if you only use WaitForOneFrame and WaitForSeconds

[obtuse glade]

when is the client modding goping to be released?

[hearty shard]

never

[upper vapor]

Goping

Coping

[obtuse glade]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hindu-bjp-laude-ko4UuHFAOZE3jN3qRB

[upper vapor]

Why

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

This is much better

[obtuse glade]

true lmao 😭

stole your gif

[halcyon folio]

Looks ai generated

Ah, it is

[plain gazelle]

Can information of a corpse be changed after it is spawned? Like the name of the player or such?

[sweet flax]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/blob/master/LabApi/Features/Wrappers/Players/Ragdoll.cs

[plain gazelle]

Thank you
also, i would still assume that setting a ragdoll position wouldnt update it to client, right?

Oh woah i just saw UnFreeze

[upper vapor]

oh woah?

say that out loud

[obtuse glade]

First gif i found when searching for copeium

[upper vapor]

you spelled it wrong

[celest thorn]

A stupid question how does a client send the nickname only via the CMD?

[slender depot]

How does stutter work now in cassie announcements?

[upper vapor]

wdym

[upper vapor]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/700330/view/492711197218440440?snr=1_5_9_

[slender depot]

Is there a way to convert old announcements to new ones easily?

[slender depot]

How exactly did the old jam work then?

[upper vapor]

good question

i think it was like
DelayDelayDelay_Repeats

the delay might have been a percentage? i'm not sure

[upper vapor]

not that i'm aware of unfortunately

if i get really bored i might make an online converter

[celest thorn]

like how does NicknameSync know your name

is it via that CMD?

[upper vapor]

central auth

i think

idk

[celest thorn]

Preauth has none of that

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/we2u7i5t.png

but has this 2 things

so ig just only from the cmd

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-reacts-flightreacts-yikes-shocked-gif-6414215169603726054

AI image spotted

https://tenor.com/view/noob-blocked-thumbs-down-emoji-gif-27142977

[obtuse glade]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[upper vapor]

ye

[celest thorn]

now its time to figure it out how cmd works

YIPPE

[restive turret]

mirro message

[celest thorn]

yea i just made a wrapper

if it works im crying

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/r9z62zu4.png

I've never been so happy to see my steam nick

[restive turret]

So you did started making a server

[celest thorn]

yes

and i got 10% of it working

now im making movement

[restive turret]

Yippe

Oh no

[celest thorn]

Yea i know

[restive turret]

You can probably just reply with the same one

Or idk how it is done rn

[celest thorn]

I did figure it out how to do something

it works movement

but

i cannot get the precise position

so what im doing is making a wrapper to attach to the player a specific waypoint

and just check that

[restive turret]

What

[celest thorn]

So you know the WaypointToy

i attach it to the client

and say "plz go attach yourself"

and just check from the FPC packet which is the nearest if it is the waypoint toy then its fine

else nope

[restive turret]

Ah

[celest thorn]

rn im fixing something crazy that is called PlayerEffectsController

being empty makes it cry

[unique crane]

How did you manage that 😭

[celest thorn]

Ehm i've made a server from scratch

[restive turret]

Custom server

[celest thorn]

and it wasn't initialized

[unique crane]

💀

[celest thorn]

atleast i can connect and stay in the pocket

[unique crane]

You are gonna end up with something that holds together by sheer will

[celest thorn]

        NetworkWriter wr = new NetworkWriter();
        wr.WriteUShort(PleaseSpeedINeedMyRPCMessage);
        wr.WriteUInt(toy.NetworkId);
        wr.WriteByte(0);
        wr.WriteUShort(6504);

        NetworkWriter wr2 = new NetworkWriter();
        wr2.WriteUInt(NetworkIdentityId);

        wr.WriteArraySegmentAndSize(wr2.ToArraySegment());

btw why tf this doesn't work?

[celest thorn]

nah

trust

im gonna rival the scp sl default servers

[unique crane]

Super fast SL server

Paybillion TPS

[celest thorn]

yea im kinda doing it to learn mirror better

but at the same time as a test

[tulip kiln]

Didn't Killers make a functional C# SL server or am I tripping

[restive turret]

He kinda did

[unique crane]

He made the uhhh

[celest thorn]

yea but that is missing alot

[restive turret]

Idk if works 100% all time

[restive turret]

Sitelink

[unique crane]

Yea

My memory isnt great today

[restive turret]

Allocate more

[unique crane]

already got fucked in NW discord for not remembering what OSM is

):

[celest thorn]

like idk why this lovely rpc doesn't wor

[restive turret]

Operation Secret Members

[tulip kiln]

Omega Super Modders

[celest thorn]

Why modding on unity

when you can make your own server

[restive turret]

What

[celest thorn]

[restive turret]

Ah

Well

[celest thorn]

im already going insane

so

no problem

[restive turret]

Honestly I tried it with making a full C# emu for tarkov

[tulip kiln]

Next update introduces an integrity check for LocalAdmin.exe

[restive turret]

And took me months to say "fuck you tatkov!"

[unique crane]

nah

[restive turret]

I think the first commit was that

[celest thorn]

to be honest

idk why tf the RPC for parenting

doesn't work

im spawning it, it works

but no movement

[restive turret]

Your parenting then sucks

[unique crane]

idk

[restive turret]

[unique crane]

Maybe there is some underlying thing with SyncVars?

[restive turret]

Maybe ask your parent

[celest thorn]

there's no syncvar for that or am i crazy?

[unique crane]

Well for position there is no?

[celest thorn]

i saw on meow i added it at the time

wait

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/govz2ikt.png

thats why i added it

because for some reason on the deserialize

that is added

[restive turret]

@celest thorn

[celest thorn]

what?

[restive turret]

.

[celest thorn]

lol

[restive turret]

Whats the ushort? What is that message (so i can check source for mirror)

[celest thorn]

The PleaseSpeedINeedMyRPCMessage = 33978

[restive turret]

Mf I do not know those values by memory

[celest thorn]

6504 is AdminToyBase::RpcChangeParent

[celest thorn]

its just the RPC message and 0 is index, and then other ushort should be the rpc funcHash then the second writer is just for sending the value so the new NetworkIdentity

[restive turret]

https://github.com/MirrorNetworking/Mirror/blob/e2086ae60f8d4d5c148fe8d4573017ba6bfdf494/Assets/Mirror/Core/Messages.cs#L45

Ye

[celest thorn]

it should be correct

wait in the client there are no errors

maybe i need to do it smaller

nope always same position hmmm

[restive turret]

Are you sure the second writer is WriteUInt?

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/agky331t.png

[restive turret]

Pff idk then

[celest thorn]

1 : X:0 Y:0 Z:0

So it works

but it gets the local position lol

                       PositionX = reader.ReadShort();
                        PositionY = reader.ReadShort();
                        PositionZ = reader.ReadShort();

                        MeowLogger.Info($"{waypointId} : {PositionX} {PositionY} {PositionZ}");
                        
                        WaypointId = waypointId;
                        RelativePosition = new Vector3(PositionX * InverseAccuracy, PositionY * InverseAccuracy, PositionZ * InverseAccuracy);

I just do this

[restive turret]

Well duh

[celest thorn]

wdym?

[restive turret]

Nvm I dont get what is it about the positions

[celest thorn]

I know that the client sends a position when they have a relative

i jsut check for what the client sends

whenever i try to see what the client sent i see 0, -299, 0

[restive turret]

Lol

[celest thorn]

which is the spawn position of the client

because for some reason the surface doesn't spawn lol

[restive turret]

Well

You have to send spawn messages and other stuff

[celest thorn]

i do that obv

[restive turret]

And maybe the seed is -1

[celest thorn]

no its like 69

[restive turret]

Y'know you can hook the Send function and show what bytes and the (mayhaps?) full backtrace of what happens

[dim horizon]

I was tryna work this out, but I also think some commands are straight up broken

pretty sure the $SPAC Command is not working as intended

[soft depot]

yea, the modifiers straight up apply to all future lines as well instead of applying to only the next word like the docs say they should

[soft turtle]

Why does this error appear randomly? 1-2 times a day.

internal static GameObject SpawnObjects(Vector3 position, string prefabName, Quaternion rotation, Vector3 scale)
{
    GameObject prefubObject = NetworkClient.prefabs.Where(x => x.Value.name.Contains(prefabName)).FirstOrDefault().Value;

    if (prefubObject == null)
    {
        Logger.Error($"Prefub {prefabName} not found!");
        return null;
    }

    GameObject gameObject = Object.Instantiate(prefubObject, position, rotation);
    gameObject.transform.localScale = scale;

    if (gameObject.TryGetComponent(out Locker locker))
        locker.Loot = Array.Empty<LockerLoot>();

    if (gameObject.TryGetComponent(out StructurePositionSync structurePositionSync))
        structurePositionSync.Start();

    NetworkServer.Spawn(gameObject);

    return gameObject;
}

[02.02.2026 21:18:21] [ERROR] [SCP-294] ERORR while spawn 14
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Mirror.LocalConnectionToClient.Send (System.ArraySegment`1[T] segment, System.Int32 channelId) [0x00000] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkConnection.Send[T] (T message, System.Int32 channelId) [0x0005e] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkServer.SendSpawnMessage (Mirror.NetworkIdentity identity, Mirror.NetworkConnection conn) [0x000b5] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkServer.ShowForConnection (Mirror.NetworkIdentity identity, Mirror.NetworkConnection conn) [0x00008] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkConnectionToClient.AddToObserving (Mirror.NetworkIdentity netIdentity) [0x0000d] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkIdentity.AddObserver (Mirror.NetworkConnectionToClient conn) [0x00039] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkServer.AddAllReadyServerConnectionsToObservers (Mirror.NetworkIdentity identity) [0x00022] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkServer.RebuildObserversDefault (Mirror.NetworkIdentity identity, System.Boolean initialize) [0x0000c] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkServer.RebuildObservers (Mirror.NetworkIdentity identity, System.Boolean initialize) [0x00016] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkServer.SpawnObject (UnityEngine.GameObject obj, Mirror.NetworkConnection ownerConnection) [0x00127] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at Mirror.NetworkServer.Spawn (UnityEngine.GameObject obj, Mirror.NetworkConnection ownerConnection) [0x00000] in <8edc8ab9348e47b2ab7e66c903f2b942>:0 
  at SCP_294.Main.SpawnObjects (UnityEngine.Vector3 position, System.String prefabName, UnityEngine.Quaternion rotation, UnityEngine.Vector3 scale) [0x00090] in <00f4d989ec274234a801ec91c2090792>:0 
  at SC

[restive turret]

Maybe server isn't ready to send messages?

Or the clients currently connecting

[soft turtle]

It is called in OnRoundStarted

[restive turret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[soft turtle]

I spawn an object with NetworkServer.Spawn

[upper vapor]

W

[upper vapor]

LocalConnectionToClient

Bruh

[soft turtle]

Where?

[upper vapor]

In the exception stack trace

[soft turtle]

Mirror.LocalConnectionToClient.Send?

[upper vapor]

Society if the new CASSIE version was tested properly

[soft turtle]

How can I fix this if I use NetworkServer.Spawn?

[upper vapor]

(might be QA's fault)

[soft turtle]

[restive turret]

Might be your fault

[dim horizon]

didnt hubert code the whole thing himself?

[upper vapor]

I don't even know how this happens ngl

[restive turret]

Anything can slip since they can't test what hasn't been written down to test

[soft turtle]

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[restive turret]

I ain't using Cassie either with those fancy ass filters so

[upper vapor]

Me reaction when I realized that sleep affects every word unless you explicitly reset it to 0

Genuinely no clue how this works (I wrote this like 2 months ago)

[restive turret]

Me neither

I have less clue

As i am clueless

[upper vapor]

Hi clueless

[soft turtle]

Does the CommandExecuting event work with RA?
If I enter roundrestart in the admin console, the event is called, but if I click the RoundRestart button in RA, the event is not called.

[halcyon kite]

I had similar problem, I fixed it by Timing.CallDelayed(1f,

Maybe it will help you too

[soft turtle]

Wut?

[soft turtle]

I need to cancel the action

[restive turret]

Read what it's replying to

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/smitkxwc.png

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/qwh8p576.png

why?

[upper vapor]

your content length measurement is fucked

[upper vapor]

you can just configure the server to fully restart every round

or set RoundRestart.NextRoundAction

[soft turtle]

Ew

[celest thorn]

why tf it works on everything except to the fucking inventory

[restive turret]

Maybe you missed something

[celest thorn]

no?