plugins-dev-chat

[celest thorn]

you are just denying it everytime

thats why

lol

you need to check if there are certain stuff

else everyone would be denied

[bright vine]

if thats the case why is the human being able to speak to scps freely

[celest thorn]

yes but you are blocking everyone and just sending it to scp

[bright vine]

wait..

oh

[celest thorn]

you should block it only when its that certain human

[bright vine]

right

[celest thorn]

and then send it to the scps

[bright vine]

im blocking everyone and only sending all messages to scps

[upper vapor]

you can use the send & receive events
check for that player
on send, set channel: if channel == proximity ? scpchat : original
on receive: if channel == scp ? scpchat : original

[bright vine]

makes sense

[upper vapor]

same condition

[bright vine]

thank you so much guys

[upper vapor]

np

[bright vine]

ill send the code later when i get it finished so i can get some feedback

[celest thorn]

no problem :3

[celest thorn]

yo axwabo i do wonder something

can you get how loud is a player speaking

[upper vapor]

#1409717921583992832

check that plugin

decode received message, calc rms

[bright vine]

just want to point it out, scpchat doesnt work at all

oh you mean channel

oops

i mean like

setting channel to scpchat doesnt work

you can check for it though yes

[celest thorn]

yes

[upper vapor]

right

[bright vine]

the players normally dont hear their own voice right

or do i have to prevent that as well lol

[upper vapor]

i have a receive patch as well

set the channel to round summary when an scp receives an scp chat message

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/heouk8e0.png

i think im done im gonna close SL

[upper vapor]

you're done

it's over for you

*insert drama farmer youtube video thumbnail here*

[bright vine]

okay so

this works for me

        public override void OnPlayerSendingVoiceMessage(PlayerSendingVoiceMessageEventArgs ev)
        {
            if (ev.Message.Channel == VoiceChatChannel.ScpChat || active035.ContainsKey(ev.Player))
            {
                ev.IsAllowed = false;
                ev.Message.Channel = VoiceChatChannel.RoundSummary;

                foreach (Player listener in Player.ReadyList)
                {
                    if (listener.Team == Team.SCPs) listener.Connection.Send(ev.Message);
                    else if (active035.ContainsKey(listener)) listener.Connection.Send(ev.Message);
                }
            }
        }```

[celest thorn]

GG

[bright vine]

i did not need to do the received event since i just replaced all scp vc with roundsumamry

is that good?

[celest thorn]

idk test it with someone else

[bright vine]

that is a bit Tough

😭

[upper vapor]

me when

start 2 sl clients

[bright vine]

yeah i already did that

but if im talking ill hear myself so..

What if the voice comes out as like

[upper vapor]

yeah and?

[bright vine]

Weird

Or somethijng

[celest thorn]

idk

[bright vine]

I wont know

[upper vapor]

wdym 😭

[bright vine]

apparently the voice can get played twice

like a duplicated voice

[upper vapor]

it would sound garbled if you fucked up something with sending

[bright vine]

Yeah so the thing is

I cant hear that

So

Tough for me loL

[celest thorn]

WAIT

stalker is 100Gb

god

143.2

god

im not gonna play it

lol

[bright vine]

is it intentional that if you set IsAllowed to flase

false

here public override void OnPlayerPickingUpArmor(PlayerPickingUpArmorEventArgs ev)

then it would be disabled permanently because no ppl can pick it up now

is that intentional or

[upper vapor]

you need to

pickup.IsLocked = false

known bug

[bright vine]

oh

thank you!

[upper vapor]

np

[restive turret]

You spin me right round

[upper vapor]

[bright vine]

this didnt work btw

how can i fix this?

[stable cipher]

use this one instead of PickingUp

[bright vine]

oh, thank you again!

[bright vine]

question, is it intentional that even though im doing ev.IsAllowed = false;, it continues to let me search?

ah i see

it does let you search but the event gets cancelled at the end upon completion anyway

[worn gull]

How can I check easily if a Cassie announcement is a ntf or ci spawn?

[icy knoll]

if the cassie announcement class is given, just check it matches the ones in the spawn waves

[upper vapor]

new StackTrace()

look at the...

nvm subtitles are handled separately

f

[worn gull]

Isn't it different every time because of the effects?

It would be a lot of Contains() xd

[upper vapor]

if (ev.Words.StartsWith("MTFUNIT EPSILON 11 DESIGNATED"

might not work during holidays

you can check the stack trace and see if it's from WaveAnnouncementBase

[spare zodiac]

how stack trace the stack of trace?

[bright vine]

how do.. i prevent an item from being locked

when i disallow the evnet

in OnPlayerUsingItem event

[bright vine]

nvm fixed it

[bright vine]

does anyone know whats the official list of colors

[hearty shard]

depends what color list you're asking for

[bright vine]

like <color=# ...>

[hearty shard]

https://htmlcolorcodes.com/color-picker/

[bright vine]

no no like

[hearty shard]

use the Hex

[bright vine]

the official color list

[hearty shard]

you mean like

color=green

[bright vine]

yes, doesnt northwood only allow specific colors ingame?

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/Axwabo/SCPSL-Helpers/blob/main/Axwabo.Helpers/ColorHelper.cs

[hearty shard]

depends

[bright vine]

and that includes the code

for text

[hearty shard]

where are you asking for it

which text

[upper vapor]

player info

[hearty shard]

hints/broadbasts?

[bright vine]

yeah hints

[hearty shard]

then any color works

[bright vine]

oh

[hearty shard]

its player info where its not all

[bright vine]

does the "specific colors" only apply to player info

ohh

okay thank you

[hearty shard]

i mean its also to badges

[bright vine]

badges are a part of player info so..

that makes sense

[hearty shard]

well badge is prevented to prevent faking being nw or using their colors
and thus custom info on player info is also disabled to prevent using that to add it

[true cedar]

shut UP EVE

[hearty shard]

SHUT UP

[soft depot]

Could you use a hint to fake this stuff though…

[eager herald]

I need help on this: the max artificial health, what does it mean?

[upper vapor]

max ahp

green bar

[upper vapor]

ah hell nawh

[eager herald]

ok thanks

[upper vapor]

np

[eager herald]

and how to use CreateAHPProcess

@upper vapor ? help!

[upper vapor]

Read the docs

It's explained well

[eager herald]

ok

[upper vapor]

blud got the grandpa music playing

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-award-winning-walking-gif-24664103

to be honest it was peak since i was adding that feature at like 3 am

[soft depot]

Can’t wait to make an API to fake badges and get hints removed from the game

[restive turret]

Me after GCS removes your server

[upper vapor]

remove hints?

good luck

-# i mean if you patch sending the hintmessage

[restive turret]

if (sendingHint)
dont()

[upper vapor]

exactly

wait wait wait

can we make a static dont function

that cancels anything you put in the if before it

[restive turret]

if you throw ye

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-think-the-rock-meme-gif-24810091

[restive turret]

200IQ right

[upper vapor]

20000000000

[restive turret]

throw new DoNotRunException

[soft depot]

I meant get NW to remove hints from the game, not just stop hints from being sent (maybe make them validate hints )

[soft depot]

Nah, throw new InvalidOperationException(“Sorry, you’re not a sigma”);

[keen halo]

if (user is apart of this group)
anyone know how to get permission groups like that. ;o

[royal mica]

You mean the labapi permission or the badge permissions?

[keen halo]

Uhhh

[royal mica]

Cause technically both use the same

[keen halo]

I just wanna like know if a user is a mod for example

like they are in the mod group

[royal mica]

There is Player.UserGroup/ ReferenceHub.serverRoles.Group for their stuff, there you can get Name, permissions etc

if you have a group named mod then the Name will be mod

[keen halo]

Thank ya so much

[bright vine]

is there a way to create more texts than just hints and broadcasts

like what if i want to position texts

[hearty shard]

create a hint framework or use an existing one

[bright vine]

are you serious

LOL

WAIT SO

[hearty shard]

or use text toys but thats not recommended if you want text on someones screen

[bright vine]

I HAVE TO CREATE A MESSAGE SYSTEM OR USE AN EXISTING ONE

[hearty shard]

if you want it in the world then go ahead

[bright vine]

yeah i want text on someones screen

waut

3d texts exists?

OMG

Thank You Spooky Eve!

[hearty shard]

TextToy

[bright vine]

Good call i was gonan ask what it is specificially

[hearty shard]

yea its for placing in the world, but for UI you should use hints

[upper vapor]

a hint of gay

https://tenor.com/view/sprinkle-gif-7550162

[royal mica]

yup, its fun

[upper vapor]

try

ruei

[worthy rune]

NW jump scare

[icy knoll]

weird seeing @upper vapor and @restive turret as blue...

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-da-ba-dee-90s-music-dance-im-blue-gif-20068334

[cyan crown]

plugins-nw-chat

https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-gif-meme-toy-story-whats-good-buzz-lightyear-gif-26344526

[hearty shard]

oh yuck more nw devs

[upper vapor]

yuck more eve

[hearty shard]

:c

[worthy rune]

I just realized i still have the API Maintainer role

@karmic bobcat

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-release-me-joseph-seed-gif-12887358985963630884

[upper vapor]

[karmic bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

oh... erm...

There you go

[worthy rune]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-gif-3403616098614705012

[royal mica]

we lost another one

[tepid sluice]

here gonna be nw-dev-chat

[upper vapor]

északfa

[tepid sluice]

北木

[royal mica]

Északfa Hivatalos Bekapcsoló API Főtainer

[upper vapor]

😭😭

Hivatalos Kiszolgálógazda Assisztens

[soft depot]

Only good use of TextToy UI is you can actually place text of any alignment on a players screen, it would be hella cool to set up, unfortunately player cameras aren’t network identities so you can’t have the text follow perfectly

I really wish NW would give us some sort of parenting solutions, even if terribly made, for common client side objects

[upper vapor]

find the magic lamp

[bright vine]

is there a method to unequip

i cant find it

nvm foujnd it

Item.Base.IsEquipped = false;

i found it for the first time without asking anyone wow

[hearty shard]

player.Item = null;

or CurrentItem

or something

[bright vine]

that might throw an error so im going with this to see if it works

[upper vapor]

it's not gonna work

[bright vine]

how come?

it says i can get and set it

[restive turret]

I think its CurrentItem yes

[upper vapor]

that doesn't mean it sets the current item and syncs

can i kill this piece of garbage app

[bright vine]

...i see

[celest thorn]

Congrats

[celest thorn]

Congrats

[restive turret]

Ty

[upper vapor]

Thanks

You must now quit SL development for eternity

[bright vine]

if i want to change an item, it would be destroying an item and adding a new item right?

[faint sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277981780661764146/1427752147520454798/static-assets-upload9383754074684455065.gif

[hearty shard]

player.CurrentItem

set this

[bright vine]

oh no i know

[bright vine]

different question

[hearty shard]

then?

[upper vapor]

Why would it destroy it

[bright vine]

if i want to change an item like L1, to something else like L3,

the way to do that is to remove the old item and add the new item right?

[upper vapor]

Inventory exists

[bright vine]

?

im confused, is there a better way?

[upper vapor]

You select an item from the Inventory

Why would you remove it

[bright vine]

so i can replace it with an "new item"

[upper vapor]

Right

Um

Well yeah, but you need to add it to the Inventory first

[worn gull]

@upper vapor @restive turret Congrat! 🥳

[upper vapor]

Then set it as the current item

[bright vine]

ok so i remove and then add

thank you

[restive turret]

Ty

[upper vapor]

If you wanna get rid of the old one, yeah

[worn gull]

Please make LabAPI better

[upper vapor]

Ty

[cyan crown]

👻 the freaky ghost lmao

[upper vapor]

We'll make another one

I'm gonna name it KelenföldAPI

[restive turret]

SecretAPI

Oh oops

[upper vapor]

No

Xd

[restive turret]

I meant SLAPI

[restive turret]

Lol

[worn gull]

MÁVApi

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/mogged-mewing-mannequin-mog-mew-gif-13517629614789907756

[cyan crown]

😂

that's even worst

[restive turret]

:D

[upper vapor]

That was the initial idea but the máv api already exists at jegy.mav.hu
This fucking app just crashed thanks dc

[royal mica]

why would you name it that, all requests would be delayed by 30 minutes

[worn gull]

Only 30min? XD

[royal mica]

Only on better days

imagine you receive events on 3 rounds later 💀

[royal mica]

Which network lib you use?

I hope you are not using Mirror

[cyan crown]

unity netode for gameobjects

[restive turret]

I suggested fishnet also

[cyan crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422385982235475968/1427785735053906061/image0.gif

[cyan crown]

i was gonna try it but i'm already like 40% into the project :'(

porting shit will require me to rewrite a lot of scripts and i'm lazy😼

[restive turret]

Ik

[cyan crown]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-gif-meme-toy-story-whats-good-buzz-lightyear-gif-26344526

[bright vine]

@upper vapor i dont need Spawn() right?

[upper vapor]

Yes

What

[bright vine]

Yes as in i dont need spawn()

[upper vapor]

What spawn for items 😭

[restive turret]

Pickup?

[upper vapor]

You want to swap an item in the player's hand, no?

[bright vine]

yeah

yes

hang on

oh i didnt have to use pickup for that

Whoopsie daisy

[upper vapor]

Yeah

[hearty shard]

player.CurrentItem = player.AddItem(ItemType.Medkit)

[bright vine]

this would make the player equip it no? so im just adding that separately

[hearty shard]

if ur trying to equip, otherwise remove the assignment

[bright vine]

thank you guys again

[warped prairie]

This guy gets it

[keen halo]

Has the auto verification stuff

EVER worked

[mild ice]

Yes

[keen halo]

Not for me...

I always have to email

[mild ice]

:(

[keen halo]

:(

[mild ice]

If you've sent an email off already I can do it manually for you now

[keen halo]

Yes I have!!

:D

I was already verified I just had an IP change

[mild ice]

Sent you back a response via email

[keen halo]

Responded! <3

Thank you so much

[mild ice]

Np!

[slate flume]

"make it sound good with no artifacts" yeah and that's just math
It's about taking a sound wave, grabbing specific points in time from it, and interpolating a wave from that

Yep! I played the entire original trilogy
Haven't gotten to STALKER 2 yet tho

[slate flume]

I mean hertz is literally just how many data points you grab in a second
That's why there's the association of higher Hz = better quality

[worthy rune]

It's about taking a sound wave, grabbing specific points in time from it, and interpolating a wave from that
im not sure why you mention this considering you can do that without learning any DSP concepts

ok im getting real dunning kruger from you rn

[slate flume]

You said it's not "just math" but it essentially is

[slate flume]

If you say so man

I just think audio processing isn't like fucking Everest, take some time to study it and it's not really that hard to understand

I learned as both a musician and a programmer a couple years ago

Albeit it's not like I learned everything in the field, just some of the important shit

[worthy rune]

doing audio processing with high level tools/apis is not hard, not to suggest thats what you did as idk what you did in your studies, im only referring to DSP which was what was originally mentioned. which i think is far removed from alot of other cs concepts

btw just because i think its hard shouldnt discourage anyone from trying to learn it. i do think labling it as easy or saying "difficulty is overblown" might give people an incorrect impression about it which can be damaging if it does turn out for someone to be difficult as then they might assume they are just stupid rather than the subject just being diffucult

[slate flume]

DSP is literally mostly just math and it's all been well researched and documented

.

[worthy rune]

dont alot of disciplines fall under researched and documented are you suggesting all of them are easy?

[slate flume]

Know but that's not my main point

Math is essentially just another programming language

Once you learn a lot of the basic calculus a lot of the formulas are easy to understand

[worthy rune]

honestly i dont trust axwabo's opinion on this(sorry axwabo) considering not long ago we had to explain how to amplify a audio signal

[slate flume]

And I think people have a tendency to overexaggerate or overcomplicate things to make themselves seem smarter

[worthy rune]

but then again they could of learnt alot since then

[slate flume]

I think this is just exactly the case for a lot of audio-related things
There's much easier ways to understand these concepts than some books or documents explain it

I don't think I'm smart for knowing basic audio stuff because it's not that complicated and I think with the proper explanation a lot of programmers could learn it

[warped prairie]

[slate flume]

With an amount of a relative ease

[unique crane]

Me figuring out that predicate logic is essentially linq

[restive turret]

Me when I have to convert from math to prog-like lang than back to math

[unique crane]

Worse is math to normal words

[worthy rune]

i dont doubt that, but sometimes things are alot more nuanced then understanding formulas. i cant really go into much detail since i dont think im qualified, i can only really just say what i have experienced

[slate flume]

My opinion primarily stems from this:
I think when people have difficulties understanding a topic, oftentimes the problem is the way it's communicated rather than the actual topic at hand
A lot of people, whether they realize it or not, explain topics at times as if the other person already understands it rather than as if they're actually trying to teach it
It's something I've learned from school and textbooks and otherwise
I think generally speaking a lot of audio topics are plighted with the same issues of these "great mathematicians" never properly explaining or addressing the things that need it

[worthy rune]

yeah i believe most people can learn it and i think people should check it otu as its actually really interesting and the only reason i stuck with learning some of it myself was because of that curiosity, i just didnt want people to have the wrong impression about it

[slate flume]

I mean if you don't know calculus stuff it's gonna be pretty difficult to get into

It helps an incredible amount to have that foundation

And it's not like audio processing is a cakewalk but I think it gets hyped up more than it should be

[slate flume]

Primarily because audio processing is mostly just applied mathematics

"How do we create a wave out of these data points?" The answer is use math to interpolate the wave

[worthy rune]

I think generally speaking a lot of audio topics are plighted with the same issues of these "great mathematicians" never properly explaining or addressing the things that need it
yeah, sad some people have to sound smart

[worthy rune]

i think the best example i can give of something not just being "math" would probably be a time-strech or picth-shift type transform

[slate flume]

It pisses me off all the time because I spent a lot of time in my younger years trying to build intuition behind things like calculus concepts and I've always found the explanations provided by teachers or in textbooks to be really unintuitive

[restive turret]

Tbh most math subject is really poorly written

[worthy rune]

not saying that you dont use math, but rather theres no correct way of doing it

[slate flume]

Well even then it's just changing the wavelength/amplitude of a wave, which has measured results, but I get your point

[slate flume]

Yes!

[restive turret]

A good teacher is usually a key to understand some of it

But if you don't get the "ahhh, it's clicked, i know!" in some cases well

[slate flume]

Well things like that are more of an abstract concept
Once you start talking about how changes are perceived by the human ear you deviate from the math and more into the "trial and error" aspect
Like trying to figure out how much gain to give a piece of audio to make it sound 2x louder is more of an approximate conversion than an exact one

[slate flume]

Real and true

My teacher for calc sucked so I spent more time studying the subject in my free time than I ever did doing the classwork

Bombed the homework but rocked the tests

[restive turret]

I love error driven programming

[slate flume]

Lmao that's how I learn how to use new libraries ngl

[restive turret]

That's how I program most of the times

[slate flume]

I read the front page of the docs to get an idea and then just fuckin wing it

[unique crane]

Write and pray

[static meteor]

This is how im learning Discord.Net

[hollow remnant]

how to create Role Appearance?

[static meteor]

If you dont want to fuck with mirror I would use
https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1415579298055590011

[restive turret]

It might crash the server tho or something

[slate flume]

Love it

[restive turret]

If you do please send the server and player log

[slate flume]

Also you can just add an event to the role sync thing in FpcServerPositionDistributor

And then send a fake network message when initially syncing role

[restive turret]

Because one time I crashed a full 30/30 server with my ".setfakerole Chaos_Maranduer ID"

[slate flume]

Lmao peak

[restive turret]

The funny is

There was nothing in server log

[static meteor]

Little Dumbass

[restive turret]

Car

[hollow remnant]

What is responsible for what here?

[hollow remnant]

@slate flume

[slate flume]

Uhhh let me get on my PC rq

[hollow remnant]

okaaay, i'm waiting

[static meteor]

See how its used in the code

[restive turret]

This guy doesn't have access to GitHub on phone

[cyan crown]

average orange cat activity

[static meteor]

[severe cave]

Is that really orange?

[static meteor]

He's pretty orange

[hollow remnant]

oh my god

[severe cave]

More like brownish for me, but could be the lighting

[slate flume]

First referencehub is the player you want to fake sync the role for
Second referencehub is the person receiving the role
The visible role is the current role that the second referencehub sees
The networkwriter is the network writer
The return value is a roletypeid which determines what role the receiver actually sees

[restive turret]

That's what i did
https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/LabApiExtensions/blob/main/LabApiExtensions/Managers/FakeRoleManager.cs

[soft depot]

RoleSyncEvent 🤮

[slate flume]

Oh fire
Last time we talked about this you had done some weird shit you ripped from EXILED lmao

[cyan crown]

i don't know i never had a cat :'(

[restive turret]

It was basically some exiled with some shitty coroutine behind it to sync the roles yes

[soft depot]

Exiled really needs something like this, for scale and gravity too, but we’re too lazy to make anything comprehensive 😭

[severe cave]

Get one now, fast, its worth

[restive turret]

I also might be fucked it up because of the network writer

[cyan crown]

can't afford a cat right now

[severe cave]

🥲 I didnt bought it for money tho

[restive turret]

https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/LabApiExtensions/blob/main/LabApiExtensions/Extensions/ScaleExtension.cs
Thats my scale

[soft depot]

Live car reaction

[cyan crown]

you woke him up duude

[slate flume]

Nice car

[restive turret]

This car also parking

[slate flume]

Hell yeah nice car

[soft depot]

Her, and she’s been clawing my lap for like the past 15 minutes. I’m supposed to have fed dogs and horses by now BUT NOW THERES A SECOND CAR HERE 😭 😭 😭 😭

[severe cave]

What colour is it, or colours

[restive turret]

The cat or the room

[severe cave]

Horses?

[severe cave]

The cat xd

[soft depot]

So it doesn’t save? Anyways, whatever solution exiled cooks up needs to save fake values, per viewer, and be easy to use. But looks nice!

[soft depot]

Job for neighbors

[restive turret]

Oh, white, grey and black

And pink

[hollow remnant]

this works correctly?

[soft depot]

Sir, a second car has hit your lap.

[slate flume]

You don't have to Player.Get(otherHub).Team

[severe cave]

Cant think of anything else then a farm

[slate flume]

You can just

hub.GetTeam()

It's built-in to the game

[hollow remnant]

ohhh, thxxxx

[restive turret]

I literally dont know, we always set everyone's size back to one and we only fake scale when its absolutely necessary

[soft depot]

Oh ok then

[soft depot]

Nah I just live in a rural area w my parents

[severe cave]

How do you commute to the city? Or atleast to where you study

[teal junco]

Are a lot of the people here educated beyond the basics of their country

just wondering

[restive turret]

You can test and if you wish create a pr to cache it and after respawn / set role with ifpc set from catched

[teal junco]

Also because I'm still a high school student and I honestly thought more young people'd be here

[restive turret]

Or that is what i would do

[slate flume]

I just graduated HS

Like

[restive turret]

But but I'm young

[slate flume]

3 months ago

[restive turret]

Headshot?

[slate flume]

It's entirely possible you're older than me

I was one of the youngest in my grade

[teal junco]

Are you like 19 or am I thinking of someone else

[teal junco]

I'm a sophomore so not even close to graduating

[slate flume]

Oh lmao

[soft depot]

By cat, takes 30 min to get to school

[restive turret]

Nearly, more

[severe cave]

Im young

[teal junco]

But I've been told that I'm a "sophomore unc" whatever that means

[teal junco]

30

[soft depot]

I’m 17, been called unc for that, and I’m dual enrolled so I’m a giga

[severe cave]

Daym thats a lot ngl

[teal junco]

I've considered dual enrollment, is it any good

[severe cave]

By bus?

[restive turret]

Sometimes yes i feel like a 30yr but no

[teal junco]

By cat bro

[slate flume]

They mean to say you're young blood

[teal junco]

Keep up

[teal junco]

24.5

[severe cave]

Ah yes by cat

[soft depot]

Depends on where you live n stuff, I get free class for dual enrolling and “home schooling” (aka trust me bro) counts so I just free high quality classes

[restive turret]

22 i think

[slate flume]

No

[restive turret]

If my calculations are right

[slate flume]

I did it sucked ass

But I just hate school

[severe cave]

Why

[slate flume]

It sucks major dick

[soft depot]

Should try dual enrolling then (if possible)

[slate flume]

How do you like school

[slate flume]

I already did

[soft depot]

I love school

[slate flume]

You're insane

[restive turret]

I like if it's telling me to go home

[teal junco]

I like everything about school except the work

[soft depot]

Hardest thing is writing essays, but you learn a lot more, even if you think you don’t need to

[severe cave]

Cuz I learn, learning importent, and bigger brain, bigger brain good, job with brain, and happy

[slate flume]

I was required to take college classes when I hit 9th grade

[slate flume]

I learn without school

I taught myself physics

@teal junco can back me up that I'm not bad at it

[soft depot]

But are you gonna teach yourself economics?

[teal junco]

That was giga by the way. I can't study anything on my own for shit

[teal junco]

Yeah thanks again

[slate flume]

Hey always happy to help

[slate flume]

I did a little bit

[severe cave]

Still a good choice but I just think what I study in classes are enough and I just revise at home or do the homework, and my teachers are nice guys so

[slate flume]

I despise homework

[soft depot]

Here’s a photo of my cat (though mostly hidden for privacy reasons)

[restive turret]

Uni places close at 20:00 and last time when there was a party nearby i got told to that the places closing soon so do not go in again if i don't wanna get locked down

[slate flume]

I failed all my classes in college and became a dropout because I never did my homework

[teal junco]

I also have things I would like to study but the little things I already have are hella work

[slate flume]

We were graded on our fucking notes

[teal junco]

L dogshit

[slate flume]

My test scores were amazing but I never did the damn homework

Homework is a big fucking scam

[severe cave]

But homework is practice

[slate flume]

I don't need mandatory practice

I showed them on tests that I know what I'm talking about

[restive turret]

Fun fact, i never learned any songs the teacher said i have to learn and memories

[slate flume]

And they were still like "Oh you need your mandatory practice"

Are we deadass?

If I know the topic why do I need to do a fuck ton of homework

[teal junco]

I'm graded on my notes for an AP but I think it makes a bit more sense because he wants to encourage us to study the books at all. He only grades us on having the outline of the book. But I dont expect to ever do that in college

[slate flume]

Well it depends on the prof and the class

But I can tell you some college classes grade on notes

[severe cave]

There is a good quote for this but I cant find it, like it tells you abt you never not need practice

[teal junco]

The system is built for the majority people

[slate flume]

Bro I'm not wasting away doing hours of homework every night
I have a social life

[teal junco]

Some people (like you) don't need it to learn, and it sucks that you still have to do it

some people do need it to learn

[slate flume]

🗣️ 🔥

School sucks balls

[soft depot]

Imagine spending hours on HW (I just speedrun it)

[teal junco]

You cannot account for every edge case when designing a system

unfortunately

[slate flume]

I wrote a majority of my essays with AI

[restive turret]

Ye let the dog eat it

[soft depot]

[teal junco]

they should have reverse 504 for geniuses

[restive turret]

[severe cave]

But if you think abt it, you start off with hours of doing the homework but if you are getting used to it you can do it in like 5 mins

[slate flume]

The school system just should be more personalized and not be abysmal dogshit

[teal junco]

You dont know

[slate flume]

Genuinely dreadful

[restive turret]

I always procrastinated doing homework

[slate flume]

My mental health was shit because of school

[slate flume]

Not for college classes

Lmao

[teal junco]

Yeah

[severe cave]

But social life is a good point but then why you study math, they cant coexist with eachother

[slate flume]

I have proven they can

Just git gud

I don't do a shit ton of homework so I get more free time than you

[restive turret]

I always count it backwards but idk if the end year or current one is the one usually people say

[teal junco]

I hate the school system because it failed me abysmally in Middle school.

[slate flume]

My stats and probs course had mandatory vocabulary where we had to submit a handwritten list of vocab words and their definitions every week

[teal junco]

Luckily high school is better

[slate flume]

The school system failed me in every level

[severe cave]

Cuz you have never studied math hard enough before thats why, no off

[teal junco]

But I assume many people struggle in HS the way I did in Middle

[slate flume]

Lmao? You're wrong

.

[restive turret]

Ye i don't wanna see that again until I'm prepared for it

[severe cave]

Yep thats 3

[teal junco]

I think you can't speak for other peoples personal experiences, and everyone experiences the world differently

[slate flume]

I live in a rural area so I never got access to really cool teachers or dope learning programs or anything else

Didn't help that I wasn't diagnosed with inattentive ADHD until like 10th grade

[teal junco]

Whatever issues ThatGuy has with school doesn't necessarily mean that it applies to you, or vice versa

[restive turret]

Im the xI'm either get this math subject or I will never able to learn this"

[slate flume]

All I can give is my experience and opinions

[severe cave]

Was kidding about the social life thing, but I think you have to sacrifice something to obtain that knowledge

[teal junco]

Homework is a useful tool, but not everyone benefits from it the same way

[slate flume]

True

Facts

🗣️ 🔥

[severe cave]

True

[teal junco]

I benefit from it but I know some people (like right now) don't get anything really out of it for one reason or another

[restive turret]

I don't get immediate result like in closed test so

[slate flume]

I only developed a social life about a year ago ngl

My old schools sucked

I ended up hanging with all the stoner kids last year

Had a blast

Still friends with them

[severe cave]

What does stoner mean?

[teal junco]

Smokes weed

[severe cave]

But I respect you for that

[teal junco]

Because smoking weed gets you "stoned"

[severe cave]

Yes, ngl I still respect you for getting friends, but

If you are happy then thats cool

[slate flume]

Ngl learning math as well as I did took a lot of my free time

Had almost no social life with it until last year

I still studied math and shit just I didn't hit it as hard

I'd actually hang out with people

So you were entirely correct lmao

I was just ribbing you

[severe cave]

What made you so into math tho? Like do you have a relative who is a math guy or something or you were just naturally interested in it

Or for pure knowledge

[slate flume]

I didn't have friends growing up and I'd be constantly getting in trouble at school which meant getting punished at home so I had just about nothing else to do in my free time

I generally got really into anything we had around the house

[teal junco]

Holy, I remember learning Sigma notation with my dad at age like 8. Then I forgot it all lmao

[slate flume]

We had paper and pencils so I did a bunch of math

We had a piano so I learned music

[teal junco]

Damn

[slate flume]

We had a rubiks cube I found when I was like 8 so I learned that

[restive turret]

Lol

[slate flume]

I used to carry around a cheat sheet with all the algorithms I needed to memorize

[teal junco]

so did i

[restive turret]

I got into programming because of my father

[severe cave]

And you just studied whatever books you had around the house or you were more picky

[teal junco]

I learned full OLL at some point in my life but Ive forgotten most cases by now

[slate flume]

I never got into reading cause imo we never had any interesting books

[teal junco]

but sometimes I'm in the middle of a solve and I come across a case which looks vaguely familiar to me and I freeze up trying to remember the alg

[slate flume]

Well at least until later in life when I got access to my dad's bookshelves

Read a great three part trilogy on the american civil war

[teal junco]

I dont even remember why I got into programming

[slate flume]

I got into programming so I could cheat in video games

[teal junco]

but I know without it I would have infinitely more trouble with doing SL mods the first time around

[severe cave]

You studied math without books? I would never see myself studying without books

[restive turret]

Iirc I still have my old notes from like age of 6 or 8 when my father explained bools and stuff

And how a computer works (at that time)

[slate flume]

I primarily just used the knowledge I had to discover more stuff

[teal junco]

yea

[slate flume]

I essentially learned from scratch the intuition behind different fields of mathematics

[severe cave]

Cuz if I want to learn a new topic I always go to the library in the city

[slate flume]

I got banned from warframe when I was 7/8 because I used cheat engine to give myself infinite ammo

And other stuff I think

Cheat engine got me into learning assembly code

[restive turret]

Then somehow i only know that I started doing "programming" because I was gonna make a Minecraft map with command blocks and stuff

[slate flume]

Based

Minecraft command blocks are a fun challenge

I made a physics engine in minecraft and that was my magnum opus

[restive turret]

1.12.2 was when I stopped, wasn't much but was good

[slate flume]

Then I found out sethbling came out with a video talking about how he did the same thing like two weeks before I completed my project

That was wild

[restive turret]

Then there was a 2 year when I actively RE'd Rainbow Six Siege so can create some tools for it and understanding how the game works

[slate flume]

Average siege player

[teal junco]

Command blocks are great honestly

[restive turret]

I didn't know how half of the things worked so

[teal junco]

I love the new tools Mojang added to Minecraft

[slate flume]

I do kinda miss the simplicity of the old days

[teal junco]

and how they generally converted a lot of basegame behaviours to data driven stuff

[restive turret]

It's great ye, they recently added stopwatch

[slate flume]

1.7.10 was peak

Super Secret Settings

[restive turret]

Real

Million mods

[teal junco]

i remember wondering where it went

[soft depot]

https://tenor.com/view/not-a-sigma-sorry-you-are-not-a-sigma-sorry-you're-not-a-sigma-you-aren't-a-sigma-you-are-not-sigma-gif-337838532227751572

[slate flume]

It was really like the height of minecraft

[restive turret]

Yes

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-dap-up-bully-maguire-spiderman-homem-aranha-gif-2038310814613101264

[restive turret]

I watched so many yt vids about modded mc

[slate flume]

Same

I used to watch a lot of those

Only One Command videos

I ended up making my own

[restive turret]

The earlier was like 1.6.4

[teal junco]

The Minecraft datapack being disabled apparently breaks a lot of things. I mean. no shit right. But Mojang exposing all these behaviours to json files for modders to use is amazing

[restive turret]

Or something

[slate flume]

I made an orbital strike only one command block that did a raycast to wherever you pointed and sent down a bunch of tnt on the location

[slate flume]

Wait I didn't know about this

[severe cave]

Old youtube, literal peak

[slate flume]

Simpler times

Things used to be so much less complicated

Nostalgia man

[teal junco]

Yeah. Minecraft datapacks have been growing over the years, and Mojang transfers functionality to a data driven format

[soft depot]

You guys ever GregTech?

[slate flume]

Oh man I did Skyfactory but never got to GregTech

[teal junco]

I think advancements is a big example of this

achievements were "hardcoded" before, I think. But now theyre literally jsons

[restive turret]

Yes

[soft depot]

GT is old version factory mod, nowadays entire packs are based around it n chemistry n stuff

[restive turret]

Hard af

[teal junco]

I believe block tags and recipes had the same thing

[soft depot]

What stage of gregification u at?

[restive turret]

Gtnh

[restive turret]

Oh i just love seeing how others do it and explain it

I played like modern and until Cleanroom

I also ordered terrafirmagreg

My best worst decision

[slate flume]

Yeah I had someone nerd out about it to me a while back

[soft depot]

I wanna do a gtnh playthrough, but I don’t got the time

I did beat nomifactory tho w a friend

[slate flume]

For whatever reason, I never got deep into minecraft modpacks

They never were really my jam

I fucking loved Doom 2016 though

[teal junco]

Same. I think im just not built for it tbh

Vanilla with light mods was always my favorite

[slate flume]

Yeah idk I played a bit of skyfactory and burnt out after a couple weeks

[soft depot]

We should all do a compact claustrophobia playthrough sometime lmao

[slate flume]

I was never a huge minecraft guy unless it was about command blocks and redstone

[restive turret]

Same happened to me with most games, especially Factorio

[slate flume]

Real as hell

Mindustry too

[soft depot]

I love making factories and automation, so my fav modpacks typically center around that

[teal junco]

Or sometimes heavy mods but I never really liked the idea of tech mods with their own progression. Heaviest mods would always be shit like guns or more monsters to kill

[slate flume]

Shapez was one of the only factory games I fully completed

[soft depot]

I only don’t get burnt out with modded mc packs tho

[slate flume]

If not the only

Shit was like crack

[teal junco]

I may be interested in Create mod though. I might add it to my world sometime

[restive turret]

I dont like create tbh

[slate flume]

I'm very picky when it comes to games

[restive turret]

Great great but nyeh

[slate flume]

Not a lot scratch the itch

[restive turret]

I like machines and stuff not cogwheel

[soft depot]

Create is overhyped

[teal junco]

I like it, more than most tech mods

[restive turret]

Fair

[teal junco]

but just generally am not a tech mod guy

[restive turret]

I'm more of a tech mod guy

Created a big af nuclear reactor too

[soft depot]

NC or what?

[restive turret]

Meka

[soft depot]

Mekanisms endgame is kinda ehhh ngl

[restive turret]

Ye

In the end I just blew up the reactor and left

[slate flume]

I liked the custom TNT mods

And immersive portals

Omg

Immersive portals is peak

[soft depot]

I've done so many NC chains it's not even funny 😭

I've made so many nuclear nightmares

[slate flume]

I built the craziest fucking teleporting nightmare shits with immersive portals

[soft depot]

it's funny, but kinda hard to use w command blocks n stuff, also really unstable last I checked

[teal junco]

i like those classic types of mods but its not the thing I usually play with

[slate flume]

Performance is a nightmare

[restive turret]

The other i like is botania

[slate flume]

I just never played much survival minecraft

[teal junco]

I do enjoy how ridiculously huge tnts expose whatever math Minecraft uses to calculate destruction

[restive turret]

Just because of the fight with gaia

[slate flume]

It's kinda mesmerizing

[soft depot]

botania's fun, but my fav mod is astral sorcery, I just love the effects ❤️

it rarely gets ported to newer versions though 😔

[restive turret]

Its funny when you get kicked and when u rejoin it just nothing

[restive turret]

I didn't really liked the progression of AS

But effects was spot on ye

[soft depot]

the leveling system's kinda mid ngl

exponential XP requirements is just sad cuz you never get to max without cheating

[teal junco]

i was on my buddy's school chromebook with minecraft open and I was like "ooh whats this creative world" and he said "No don't open that!" and it was a superflat tnt world with a single lit tnt

[soft depot]

LOL

[teal junco]

So his chromebook was kinda fucked

[restive turret]

:D

[soft depot]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-my-pccc-lag-gif-16039929481005011244

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-gif-5264604870865972494

[teal junco]

u can sorta make out the explosions

[restive turret]

Minecraft cracked his laptop

[teal junco]

No that was my hand that did that. When he slammed the chromebook shut as hard as possible while I was using it

[restive turret]

Lol

[teal junco]

More specifically my left hand index knuckle

[hollow remnant]

guys, how to change damage amount?

[warped prairie]

on what?

most things have a damagehandler iirc

[hollow remnant]

like exiled DamageHandler.Damage = 100

[warped prairie]

ehh im not too proficient on it, ill let sombody more knowledgeable answer it precicely

[hollow remnant]

guuuys, help me pleaseeee

[worthy rune]

that should work, are you getting an error when you try that?

[hollow remnant]

in PlayerHurtingEventArgs

[worthy rune]

could be that you need a publicized assembly

[worthy rune]

actually checked and all you need todo is cast to StandardDamageHandler

[hollow remnant]

yeaaah

thank yoou

[worthy rune]

nw

[slate flume]

I was about to say lol

It's odd but damagehandler doesn't actually come with .Damage

[worthy rune]

funnily enough, DamageHandlerBase only has one direct inheritor which is StandardDamageHandler

not sure why DamageHandlerBase needs to exist but maybe there was a reason at the time of creation

[slate flume]

Hey Riptide

I have a question

What causes the bug where player positions don't update

Is it a NW thing or a plugin thing

Or a server provider thing

[worthy rune]

is it the one involving StaticUnityUpdate?

[slate flume]

I got this sent to me

No clue how this happens

[worthy rune]

yeah i have seen something like this, for me the character controller component was null for one player, so one of the events subscribed to StaticUnityUpdate(or something named like that) was throwing due to the null CC. and since theres no try catch or anything none of the other movement updates work for any other players(but sometimes some players can still move since it depends when the error occurs)
I could not figure out why it was null other than reverting one of the last updates i had on the plugin. which was super weird as i didnt touch the CC in anyway and all i had done was add CustomInterestManagement so i could have vanish

although check your logs first to see if its the same issue, technically anything that throws in StaticUnityUpdate can cause this

[slate flume]

See that's interesting because this problem randomly cropped up on one of our two servers

They use the same plugin

[worthy rune]

i have seen other people have the same issue, i belive it can happen on vanilla but its pretty rare. how offten does this happen for you?

[slate flume]

This is the first time that I know of

[worthy rune]

ahh, could just be the base-game then

for me it was happening like every 12ish rounds

which was really terrible

[slate flume]

Well I'm gonna check out the localadminlogs and get back to you

Actually I remember seeing this before

It was months ago

[2025-10-15 23:24:11.716 +00:00] [STDOUT] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
[2025-10-15 23:24:11.716 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at UnityEngine.Bindings.ThrowHelper.ThrowNullReferenceException (System.Object obj) [0x00018] in <0deee1b9576d40a7a211b55014778fa6>:0
[2025-10-15 23:24:11.716 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at UnityEngine.CharacterController.get_radius () [0x00006] in <80561691956e42ebafb647fbf7695776>:0
[2025-10-15 23:24:11.716 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FpcMotor.UpdatePosition (System.Boolean& sendJump) [0x00062] in <683b197cfbd14f82a3a00d90e64b9cac>:0
[2025-10-15 23:24:11.716 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FirstPersonMovementModule.UpdateMovement () [0x0001d] in <683b197cfbd14f82a3a00d90e64b9cac>:0
[2025-10-15 23:24:11.716 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>.invoke_void()
[2025-10-15 23:24:11.716 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FirstPersonMovementModule+<>c.<Init>b__116_0 () [0x0000e] in <683b197cfbd14f82a3a00d90e64b9cac>:0
[2025-10-15 23:24:11.716 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>.invoke_void()
[2025-10-15 23:24:11.716 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at StaticUnityMethods.Update () [0x00009] in <683b197cfbd14f82a3a00d90e64b9cac>:0

Does this mean I need to make a patch

[worthy rune]

yeah thats the one

in the past i had another more experienced dev try patching by trying to fix the character controller but had no luck in fixing it

[slate flume]

Is there a way to reproduce the issue?

[worthy rune]

today i would try maybe wrap the inside of PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FpcMotor.UpdatePosition in a try catch and just deal with the logs(or maybe not log the error at all) when the issue occurs

[worthy rune]

i couldnt find one, and from what i have heard from others no one can find the actual cause

[slate flume]

I could just null check the char controller and do an early return if it's null

[worthy rune]

yeah that should work too

wondering its an actual player thats its happening too or a maybe a player which was already destroyed, i guess you would find out as if its the former you would end up with 1 player every now and again thats unable to move

[slate flume]

Yeah if I do an early return it'll be one person unable to move it it's a regular player with a null charcontroller

But I suspect the problem is just that there's an FpcMotor that isn't properly cleaned up or is misattributed

But no clue

[worthy rune]

also now that i think of it, you might want to check the gameObject before the CC just in case it is a destroyed player

[slate flume]

Smart

[worthy rune]

yeah

[slate flume]

I'll add logging on the early return

Check reference hub, game object, ...

[cyan crown]

bro is in the air

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118578603534331916/1346904897676644432/togif.gif

[slate flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118578603534331916/1326930122158243973/togif.gif

[swift nexus]

@worthy rune I have never seen this base game, are you sure it's not plugin related?

[soft depot]

I should make an extension to wrap any method in a try catch with a transpiler...

try blocks are pretty tough with harmony but I did it once

[slate flume]

That's wild

Could you not force the method call to be in a helper method that does the try catch

Well that's probably hacky

I have no idea how try catch is done in IL

[soft depot]

blocks

[slate flume]

But I'm not doing it here

I'm just gonna add null checking and log when it happens

[soft depot]

I can send my try finally patch stuff if you want

[slate flume]

I mean it'd be weird if it's plugin related because the issue only happens on very rare occasions

[slate flume]

I think adding a try-catch is a band-aid fix

You're not addressing the actual problem

You're just making it not shit itself when it has a problem

[soft depot]

it seemed like Init was throwing the error tho

[slate flume]

The problem is in UpdatePosition

[soft depot]

the problem with unhandled exceptions is that they forcefully stop stuff

like if you throw an error in static unity update, it stops all later events

[slate flume]

Yes I know

That's why no one was able to move

[slate flume]

The error started before anyone joined

[2025-10-15 23:13:43.444 +00:00] Logging started.
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.444 +00:00] Timezone offset: +00:00
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.455 +00:00] Waiting for players...
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.513 +00:00] [STDOUT] Unloading 246 unused Assets to reduce memory usage. Loaded Objects now: 501197.
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.514 +00:00] [STDOUT] Total: 127.840351 ms (FindLiveObjects: 27.192829 ms CreateObjectMapping: 14.091361 ms MarkObjects: 85.338111 ms  DeleteObjects: 1.217700 ms)
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.514 +00:00] [STDOUT] Unloading 3 Unused Serialized files (Serialized files now loaded: 0)
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.514 +00:00] [STDOUT] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.514 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at UnityEngine.Bindings.ThrowHelper.ThrowNullReferenceException (System.Object obj) [0x00018] in <0deee1b9576d40a7a211b55014778fa6>:0
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.514 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at UnityEngine.CharacterController.get_radius () [0x00006] in <80561691956e42ebafb647fbf7695776>:0
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.514 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FpcMotor.UpdatePosition (System.Boolean& sendJump) [0x00062] in <683b197cfbd14f82a3a00d90e64b9cac>:0
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.514 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FirstPersonMovementModule.UpdateMovement () [0x0001d] in <683b197cfbd14f82a3a00d90e64b9cac>:0
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.515 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FirstPersonMovementModule+<>c.<Init>b__116_0 () [0x0000e] in <683b197cfbd14f82a3a00d90e64b9cac>:0
[2025-10-15 23:13:43.515 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>.invoke_void()

So it must've not properly cleaned up the FpcMotor from a previous round or something

[worthy rune]

for me it was, but i couldn't pin point the actual cause in the plugin. i have just seen it happen to alot of different people and everytime it comes up there isnt exactly a way to pinpoint due to it being rare. so i cant really say if its a plugin/base-game issue for sure

[slate flume]

I was told the problem was persisting between restarts

[slate flume]

So I think this is the issue

[slate flume]

Not server restarts, round restarts

[worthy rune]

yeah that follows

[slate flume]

I'm just gonna patch update position with a null check for character controller and run an early return if needed

No need to do logging if I already know the player doesn't exist

That should about do it

I'm so happy I learned transpilers

I <3 transpilers

[slate flume]

I think this just worked first try

Code never works first try

I must be getting better at this stuff

God I hope I find more stuff to write transpilers for

I love them

[soft depot]

just rewrite the entire game 🙃

anyways, here's my untested method for creating a Try Catch block for a patch:

        /// <summary>
        /// Wraps a simple try catch block around a given method, can cause errors.
        /// </summary>
        /// <param name="instructions">The instructions to modify.</param>
        /// <param name="generator">The IL generator (if needed).</param>
        public static void WrapTryCatch(List<CodeInstruction> instructions, ILGenerator generator)
        {
            instructions[0].WithBlocks(new ExceptionBlock(ExceptionBlockType.BeginExceptionBlock));

            CodeInstruction retInstruction = instructions[instructions.Count - 1];

            Label retLabel = retInstruction.labels.Count > 0 ? retInstruction.labels[0] : generator.DefineLabel();

            instructions.InsertRange(instructions.Count - 2, [
                new CodeInstruction(OpCodes.Call, Method(typeof(Log), nameof(Log.Error), [typeof(object)])).WithBlocks(new ExceptionBlock(ExceptionBlockType.BeginCatchBlock)),
                new CodeInstruction(OpCodes.Leave, retLabel),
            ]);
        }

[slate flume]

Put this in #1274618202227216414 so it doesn't get buried

Idk who needs it but if they do

[soft depot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slate flume]

Also I noticed

Why do you keep using ILGenerators

They're only needed if you're using a code matcher

You can remove the parameter

[soft depot]

they're what harmony provide, and you need them to declare locals or define labels???

what I sent isnt even a patch

just a static method

[slate flume]

Oh true

Forgot about that

I just like codematcher imo

CodeMatchers are based

[icy knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/agre-cat-nod-gif-22214510

[slate flume]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-kharter-gif-16802076780460504803

[soft depot]

anyways, if you want a schizophrenic project to work on, try ball aimbot or an effect API with parallelism and seamless integration of base game effects and custom effects where you can just code an effect to do something, define what type of inputs each parallel thing takes (like does it take in 2 floats for diff stats of effect?), and make it easy to use. And for ball aimbot, try making the aimbot hard to notice, but still hit you

[slate flume]

You mean in SL?

[soft depot]

yea?

[slate flume]

Custom effects don't really sync that well

Afaik

That's what I've been told by others

[soft depot]

wdym?

[slate flume]

Like a lot of the effects don't sync with the client

[soft depot]

here I made this as a custom effect and it works fine

[soft depot]

then how does a client know when to do literally anything?

[slate flume]

What is this?

[soft depot]

you could either transpile SetIntensity or make your own handler for effects or something

[slate flume]

I already did

[soft depot]

usage of effect API I made, it's an effect that changes your size

[slate flume]

Oh

I see now

I get what you mean

[soft depot]

so an EffectObject tracks all CustomEffects of its generic type and then the effects can do stuff to modify intensity whilst the EffectObject handles creating a "default intensity" and setting intensity

[slate flume]

You mean write an entirely custom effects API that can do things the server syncs with the client like setting size and things

[soft depot]

yea, so instead of making weird coroutines, just make it behave like an effect

here's another EffectObject

[slate flume]

I don't tend to use coroutines anyways

[soft depot]

a custom one

[slate flume]

I use components

At least more often than not

[soft depot]

here are all the actual CustomEffect classes

so I could have an effect be disabled for like 30s and still have the EffectObject track all other CustomEffect instances and decrement their duration while the effect is disable, etc...

[slate flume]

Interesting

[soft depot]

I can also make an effect that makes TickingEffects run faster / slower

[slate flume]

I mean I kinda just make stuff that I need to use

I don't really need any of this

[soft depot]

here's an effect that only applies itself while some condition is true

[soft depot]

I liked the convenience of putting everything into one API, so far everything I've coded (minus the custom EffectObjects) have some legitimate use

[slate flume]

Nice

[soft depot]

here's an effect that lets you control its intensity every time you update it

[slate flume]

I mean I made an API for custom items

Cause I needed that

It was interesting trying to get a unique static dictionary working in a derived class

[soft depot]

so like say I want every person near you to give u 5% movement boost, I just add an effect to foreach nearby players and update the EffectObject with a unity spherical collider or something (I can also just manually edit a normal CustomEffects intensity)

[slate flume]

It was a bit roundabout but it was fun

[slate flume]

So you essentially just use it as a component?

[soft depot]

you creating a CustomItem instance for every item that's custom?

[slate flume]

Yeah

[soft depot]

I guess? Cuz it's all generics I added a bunch of helper methods, but if you knew the generic, you'd just go to a Dictionary<Player, List<IEffectObject>> (all EffectObjects inherit IEffectObject so I can all classify them as something), cast the IEffectObject to your generic, add a CustomEffect to the EffectObjects effects List, then just call EffectObject<>::UpdateIntensity();

anyways I have all these dictionaries of methods so I can just use a custom enum (CustomEffectType) and use that enum like Exiled

[slate flume]

Nice

[soft depot]

I even did this whole thing where I made a Parser class that, given a CustomEffect<T> and some strings as parameters, would get the type of the ctor of that custom effect, TryParse all the inputs, then construct the effect

that way I could make this API seamless with a SSS RA thing I have

[teal junco]

this is cool

this is awesome

wtf

[soft depot]

you just select an EffectObject (like MovementBoost), select a CustomEffect (like additive), the menu would find the parameters to create the effect, create a list of settings for you to input them, then when you hit add effect, would create the effect and add it

[slate flume]

This feels like a lot of work

I respect that

[soft depot]

anything for trolling

[slate flume]

Feels a little excessive for what most people need though lol

[soft depot]

now I can make anybody have the Fade effect with a sinusoidal intensity, and it took 0 effort compared to any other effect, the API did it all for me (so like adding 1 feature added the feature to ALL effects)

[slate flume]

I mean a lot of these effects could just be like one component you add to a player

[soft depot]

but let's say you wanted to stack them lol

you'd get conflicts easily with individual components

[true cedar]

but

but why

[soft depot]

but EffectObject<T> acts as a handler for everything

[soft depot]

🗣️

[slate flume]

Really?

[soft depot]

well when one effect component triggers something, how does it know where to get the intensity from and modify it?

does it just assume it's the only thing affecting others?

[slate flume]

Wdym

[soft depot]

let's try to be more specific with wording, do you think EffectObject<T> could be a component, or CustomEffect<T> could be a component?

[slate flume]

Idk I think given an effect you could probably easily make it a component instead of needing an API for it

[slate flume]

Like with this example from earlier

[soft depot]

well sure I could make components for my custom effects, but I wanted custom effect modifiers

but with this API I can make any custom effect, and have it utilize the work I've already made for all the other effect modifiers

[slate flume]

You can add modifiers to a component

Add a public property

And change the property of the component

[soft depot]

yknow, I should rename CustomEffect<T> to EffectModifier<T>

that'd be a LOT clearer

[slate flume]

And if you really needed you could have a base component with any common implementations that you derive effects from

[soft depot]

anyways, you're saying EffectObject<T> could be a component, which it can, but with the current system it's a Dict lookup and a foreach instead of a GetComponent call

[slate flume]

You can store components

I avoid GetComponent calls

[soft depot]

fair enough, but why would I want it to be a component?

the only active stuff it does it update duration on modifiers, which can be handled easily with a coroutine

[slate flume]

My main point is just what you're describing seems really excessive, no offense
Maybe it works great for your purposes but I feel like it could really be simplified

I respect the time and effort

It just seems like a lot for so little

[soft depot]

well how would I define custom effect modifers and custom effect requirements?

[slate flume]

Depends on what you mean by that

I have items that give special effects and things but I've never had any need to merge those into one huge API

[soft depot]

like for my Size effect, I made an interface, I3DEffect, where only a modifier with that interface can apply to that effect (at least via the SSS RA)

[soft depot]

well with this API, you can apply any effect to anybody, with a universal system, and have all sorts of modifiers without copy pasting anything

I think the funniest thing I made for this API was having it so base game effects are just defined like so

so if I need an effect to use this API for some reason, I just define it like so

[slate flume]

Yeah I mean I get that

It's just interesting that you came across the need to make all of this

Seems niche

[soft depot]

well I wanted parallelism with modifiers, and the ability to make effect objects use those modifiers whenever I want

so no more yellow candy removing movement boost shenanigans

it's just a 10% for 8s or whatever