plugins-dev-chat

[celest thorn]

please

[royal mica]

/kill @celest thorn

[restive turret]

You Don’t Have Permission to Use this Command

@upper vapor

[upper vapor]

this is exactly me

:'3

[glad pagoda]

@unique cranebtw you getting payday SaaS?

[unique crane]

n o p

When they said Payday 2 update

I didnt expect to be another inverse payday

[icy knoll]

it's payday for the payday team

[royal mica]

I mean they have 200$ worth of DLCs

it's 3.99$ a month no?

[unique crane]

Ye

Inverse payday

[glad pagoda]

only if you ignore sales, didn;t get the humbklebundles and such

[unique crane]

I just have the dlcs I need

and the heists

[glad pagoda]

i got a humblebundle and a few more iirc

you can see the cutoff lol

[unique crane]

And we do usual rotation of
No Mercy, Big Oil, Normal Bank, Big Bank and others

Safe House

[glad pagoda]

afair the new DLCs are not great other than heists too

[restive turret]

Maybe the heists are good

Others no

[glad pagoda]

and heists you technically can get for free if you have a friend with all unlocked

[restive turret]

My usual rotation was
Murky, Yacht, Alesso, Dragon

[glad pagoda]

@unique cranelike a week ago I did stealth of FWB

i did the whole heist

[restive turret]

Alone?

[glad pagoda]

was waiting on the npc to open the escape door

and

i got 2 guards cornering me from both sides

[unique crane]

Gustavo cooking the most fire soundtrack btw

https://youtu.be/pWR11FvSyks?si=6zA8tkrpITlJvlKq&t=646

[glad pagoda]

ye

[restive turret]

Nice

[glad pagoda]

the NPC there is so annoyingly slow

she takes like

half a minute to open the door

[unique crane]

PD3 FWB is kinda good ngl

[restive turret]

Oh fwb ye

Not big bank

[unique crane]

Like it a bit more than PD2 one

[glad pagoda]

they did fwb again in 3?

[unique crane]

Ye

[restive turret]

Ye

[glad pagoda]

i never managed to do that lol

[restive turret]

ThirdWorldBank

[glad pagoda]

on stealth

[unique crane]

The ultimate trilogy

[glad pagoda]

I always died past the first phase after getting through the lasers

[unique crane]

First world bank

Second world bank

Third world bank

Big bank is only doable on loud with the bus escape

Other escapes sucks

[restive turret]

We had a team long ago, we had fun there, stealth and loud

[restive turret]

I like the lift one

[glad pagoda]

oh i was once doing it loud

with bus escape

and

i got killed through a wall there xD

that stage has a lof of broken floors and walls

[unique crane]

Petris did NOT expect that one

[glad pagoda]

that enemies can see and shoot through

a few stealth attempts I had failed cause guards saw me on the roof

[unique crane]

oh I though you got hit by the bus XD

[glad pagoda]

but they saw me through the ceiling

not the windows

[unique crane]

The humblous snipers on big bank roof

[restive turret]

Oh the auction house was bad to do loud

Dozers everywhere

[glad pagoda]

action house is super chill stealth

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

Auction house loud all bags

[glad pagoda]

other than

ladders

FUCK LADDERS

i always fall off of them in solo stealth

i need to get a mod for bots reviving in stealth or sth

[restive turret]

We usually restarted until we had the light switch up

And the blowtorch too

My ass not gonna go down in stairs

[glad pagoda]

light switch and blowtorch are fine downstairs

the camera thingies are wayyy worse there

uhh not camera

code

when they are in the main room

where you have npc everywhere

I always just killed 3 guards upstairs and camera guy

to have free roam

[restive turret]

One time we moved all bags out

Took like 1.5h

[glad pagoda]

i always do all bags there

in stealth

[celest thorn]

I will probably have more luck with 2 nw staff here, but any of you know how to fix this
https://i.e-z.host/🐀/3m15339h.png

the spaces god if im hating it

[restive turret]

Add one more space before players

[celest thorn]

i could but still your team's points isn't right

idk why it does this like scale

but as soon as i get this fixed i can go and finally die

i just hope paws answers or idk i get the illumination from god

[restive turret]

🔥

[celest thorn]

just hope and prayers

[royal mica]

if we could have positional hint system

[celest thorn]

God i pray that day

like hints are a pain

[grand flower]

If we could just make UI on the client

[royal mica]

imagine parallax UI system where you can have borderlands style or other style of UI elements

replacing the health UI with custom one

[grand flower]

make your own game atp

[celest thorn]

But yea if someone can help me

please :3

[upper vapor]

i would like to create any graphic object including masks
cuz masks are cool

[royal mica]

honestly making game mods is better

[grand flower]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mild walrus]

what is the event for ground processed items in 914?

[restive turret]

914 Pickup process

[true cedar]

wait whats the issue

again

the way i push things to the left/right edge is super finicky

[celest thorn]

i just decided to remove it

ngl

too hard

[true cedar]

oh

[safe robin]

What money can buy you if you convince Northwwood to make micro transactions

[restive turret]

@unique crane

[safe robin]

sea of thieves best game

[restive turret]

It's a good game

[safe robin]

deep rock galactic is a good game

[warped prairie]

that looked like roboquest for .5 seconds

[restive turret]

Lel

I like that game too

[true cedar]

meow

[hearty shard]

No

[true cedar]

;(

[pine parcel]

can I overlay images as graphics like when players customize weapon loadouts as spectator?

[grand flower]

not really no

[celest thorn]

Hello chat

[magic gate]

Bye

[restive turret]

No

You will be forced to be here

[restive turret]

Morning

[celest thorn]

Hiiii :3

gm

[restive turret]

I'm in class rn

Do you wanna see what i study

[upper vapor]

Catpucs

[storm bridge]

Sure

[celest thorn]

i do wonder something with the new system can you like check if a player is spectating with an event or something

[upper vapor]

What

SyncedSpectatedNetIdMessage or smth has been a thing for ages
SpectatorRole.SyncSpectatedNetId prop

[celest thorn]

no i mean

[upper vapor]

If that's what you mean

[celest thorn]

if a player can spectate

a player or another

[upper vapor]

Ok nvm

[celest thorn]

there's an event

because i need to do it dynamic for a player

[upper vapor]

Check every frame

Or replace the handler for the network message

[celest thorn]

check every frame for what

and what i can do?

after i for example know thta

[upper vapor]

Invoke an event you make

[celest thorn]

yea but how do i then prevent it lol

like i don't want a player to spectate another

[upper vapor]

Remove them from the spectatable list

[celest thorn]

but then everyone wouldn't be able

[upper vapor]

Decompile and see how it works

[celest thorn]

thank you :3

[upper vapor]

Np

[restive turret]

Wdym sure

[magic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[storm bridge]

Didn't you ask?

[restive turret]

You don't believe i go to classes in uni

[celest thorn]

nah

[restive turret]

[celest thorn]

idk if in other countires you say this but some people say here "you found your degree in a pack of potato chips"

[agile tartan]

How to make a Grenade explode instantly?

[icy knoll]

FuseTime = 0 or smth smth

[unique crane]

ye

@celest thorn

Do you like real time strategies

[celest thorn]

yes?

[unique crane]

played this game called

[celest thorn]

i have civ

[unique crane]

Beyond all reason

its for free

yesterday with friends

and its absolute fire

[celest thorn]

let me check it out

my friend loves playing Real strategy games

[unique crane]

and its not that brain fucky

[agile tartan]

How do I convert the type from Item to Grenade?

[unique crane]

like heart of iron or someting

[unique crane]

Cast it

or to type checking

[celest thorn]

i cannot find it

on steam

[unique crane]

if(item is GrenadeItem grenade)

[unique crane]

Yeah its not on steam for some reason

[celest thorn]

so sad

[unique crane]

https://www.beyondallreason.info/

[celest thorn]

Oh wait

its those games

nah

I thought like civ

[unique crane]

naw

[celest thorn]

because if it was like civ 100% hit

[unique crane]

its bomb them style game

[agile tartan]

i know but there is no such a thing.

[upper vapor]

item.Base

[agile tartan]

same

[upper vapor]

also the item is not what you need

you need the thrown projectile

[unique crane]

Oh wait right

Yeah your checking item

You need the projectile

[agile tartan]

fmm

oh wait, i found TriggerTime in ProjectileSettings

thank you

[royal mica]

[2025-09-25 08:50:02.507 +00:00] [ERROR] [LabApi] [LOADER] Missing dependencies:
                                 -       LabApi v1.1.0.0

Thats a new one

[upper vapor]

update

[royal mica]

turns out accessing the plugin config during plugin constructor is not a good idea

woohoo time to refactor everything

[upper vapor]

yeah why did you do that

[royal mica]

braindamage

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

did you just

Config!

[royal mica]

but /uj, I wanted to init the handlers based on config values

yes

[upper vapor]

[upper vapor]

init the handlers in OnEnble too

[royal mica]

I mean I got the bug faster this way instead of slamming the deks WHY HANDLER HANDLERN'TING

[unique crane]

the last word sounds like something german

[upper vapor]

XDD

[upper vapor]

what are you sayieren

[unique crane]

HANDLERN'TING

[grand flower]

Hey david

[unique crane]

hai

[upper vapor]

-# when waypoint removal

[grand flower]

can northwood make it so unregistered network message ids on the client are just ignored

instead of disconnecting

[upper vapor]

don't send bad data

[unique crane]

Thats mirror thingy

[unique crane]

literally

[grand flower]

You can modify mirror

[unique crane]

we can

[grand flower]

yeah but also no idea whats sending the message

[unique crane]

but then we have to take care of it

[upper vapor]

with that NW might as well display a screen if the client gets soft disconnected

[grand flower]

I looked for network message types that match the id and found none

[unique crane]

whats the ID

we have tool for that

[upper vapor]

then
there's a shit fake writer method ig

[grand flower]

Player had this in Player.log

probably yeah

well

no

idk

mirror's just braindead for disconnecting the client for that

hate that piece of crap

[upper vapor]

you don't happen to send fake network messages before the client is authed, right?

[grand flower]

no

[upper vapor]

bruh

[grand flower]

huh

[upper vapor]

BRUH

[grand flower]

why didnt it show up on my end

also the player is getting that message and disconnecting mid round and we never send that message

[upper vapor]

northwood make the round restart message not send to unauthed clients

[grand flower]

so like wtf

[royal mica]

That is mirror shitting itself when a client / network object somehow explosive diarrhoea themselves out of existence and the game goes fucking confused

[grand flower]

I know

Mirror could just log and ignore

[royal mica]

Oh and also happens when a client is force disconnected due to exploit prevention

[grand flower]

I get for exceptions

there was no exception this time

[royal mica]

I mean, it is a serious issue when you just loose random network clients

[upper vapor]

bass boosted diarrhea.mp3

also who in the british land decided to add an o to the word diarrhea

[royal mica]

But I wholeheartadly agree that it is bullshit that the whole game just shit themself

[grand flower]

Sane engines (cough cough Unreal) just warn in logs and drop the message if it's an unknown packet type

But yeah idk why this one player has this issue

nobody else does

[upper vapor]

i can't read the message, now i have to break everything

[royal mica]

Custom SCPSL client implementation

[grand flower]

yeah it's called making a new game from scratch

[upper vapor]

i would give that a try
-# in a million years maybe

[upper vapor]

XDD

[unique crane]

Maybe he has like 500000 ping

and the round restart message gets to him in 2 minutes

XDD

mid round

[grand flower]

Well shit

still

[unique crane]

idk

it should dc you

[grand flower]

the network handler should be registered at that time so idk

[unique crane]

The round restart message should be normally handled yea

[grand flower]

Oh well, Mirror jank

Every day I thank my past self for switching from Unity

[unique crane]

does it happen on other servers for that player

[grand flower]

I'll ask later

i was supposed to sleep 4 hours ago but my job called me in for an emergency

[upper vapor]

probably if they run on a 156198 year old HDD and a 5 MHz processor

[grand flower]

Still find it stupid that mirror drops for that

exception in handler fine, whatever

unknown message just warn and ignore ffs

[royal mica]

[2025-09-25 09:04:59.406 +00:00] [ERROR] [LabApi] System.MissingMethodException: Method not found: void UserSettings.ServerSpecific.SSKeybindSetting..ctor(System.Nullable`1<int>,string,UnityEngine.KeyCode,bool,bool,string)

bruh

then wtf is this

[grand flower]

okay nvm unreal nukes you if you send an unknown net control message

but that's not an RPC

thats lower level

ill check RPCs later

[grand flower]

make sure you've updated your game & labapi references

and recompile your plugin

[royal mica]

I should have latest

[unique crane]

You dont have latest assembly csharp

[grand flower]

^

another reason im going with Lua for my project

makes it way easier to keep stuff compatible during updates

[upper vapor]

<PackageReference Include="Northwood.LabAPI" Version="1.1.3" />

[celest thorn]

you know i didn't have it updated

for along time

and i just saw it

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

when i tried adding waypoint toys

[upper vapor]

labapi 0.5.0

[celest thorn]

i had labapi 1.0.2

[upper vapor]

[royal mica]

Ah, CollectionId was introduced

[upper vapor]

when your code doesn't work even after multiple tries
-# you commented it out a bit ago

[upper vapor]

yea

also just use SecretAPI :3

[royal mica]

What is it used for*

[royal mica]

No external dependencies

[grand flower]

Based

[royal mica]

I ain't waiting for updates, figuring out how other libraries work. I have enough time figuring out how SL does things

[upper vapor]

shared if it's below 20

on the same account id

[upper vapor]

you'd be much better off with an SSSS wrapper

[royal mica]

Oh so if I have same setting on multiple servers, it uses the same?

[royal mica]

I have mine

[upper vapor]

figured out how SSSS works but didn't have time to check out a super easy to use lib

:(

[royal mica]

oh role change jumpscare

[upper vapor]

red

yes

applies to the same account id only

[royal mica]

noice

[upper vapor]

wtf did i press to bring this up

[upper vapor]

PlayerChangedRoleEventArgs

[restive turret]

2 fps

Cinema

[upper vapor]

yeah i had a bit of an exception spam

(didn't have a gameobject enabled)

[restive turret]

UserGainDiscordLevelEventArgs

[celest thorn]

Anyone knows how can i skip the player itself for a raycast?

        if (!Physics.Raycast(cameraTransform.position, cameraTransform.forward, out RaycastHit hit, PinpointRaycastDistance))
            return;

[unique crane]

cameraTransform.position + cameraTransform.forward * 0.1f

[celest thorn]

do you mean on the first one?

[unique crane]

ye

[celest thorn]

ok

[restive turret]

I didn't used *0.1f and worked

[unique crane]

Yea well ofc

but your gonna move the raycast a bit too forward

[celest thorn]

btw

do you know if DrawableLineMessage are visible through walls?

[restive turret]

1 unit ye

[celest thorn]

or something that could be visible through walls that i can trigger

[unique crane]

They are not

[celest thorn]

Sadly

anything that could be?

[restive turret]

Please don't make esp with that

[unique crane]

nop

[celest thorn]

No im making something else

which is 100% legit

and a game mechanic

[restive turret]

Legi

[celest thorn]

so sad

ig we can stick with that

[restive turret]

What would you want to do anyway

[celest thorn]

Markers

you mark a point

ig i will make it taller

so everyone can see it

[restive turret]

Give a goggle orb into it

Idk

[celest thorn]

yea but goggle is bad

so no

[restive turret]

I meant the actual orb to it

Idk if you could do that

Never tested it

[celest thorn]

I don't think it does

only david could answer us

but i don't think it will

[upper vapor]

Disable the player's colliders temporarily

[celest thorn]

makes alot of sense

[restive turret]

Disable the player

[worn gull]

if I spawn a waypoint and set position, rotation, scale and parent why does this happen?

In older versions it was working

[teal junco]

use bounds

[royal mica]

parent and position?

[celest thorn]

Anyone knows how can i check if a CustomHandlersManager.RegisterEventsHandler is being registered?

and unregister

[worn gull]

bruh it's not there, I have the latest server version thanks

[plain gazelle]

Any easy/accurate way of getting the floor position of the player?
Since .Position returns the center of the capsule and because it is a capsule collider, having different scales changes the distance to the floor so just taking half of the vertical scale as an offset isnt quite accurate

[plain gazelle]

Or maybe instead, how can i get the players capsule collider?

[teal junco]

i'd imagine you can do trygetcomponent<capsulecollider>() on the referencehubs gameobject

[pulsar locust]

cut off their legs

[upper vapor]

Nuh uh

[upper vapor]

Icedchai has said it, use the bounds on the waypoint
Don't scale it

[upper vapor]

You need to track it yourself

[celest thorn]

nah i recoded that section and made it in a different way

i had a custom event

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

and just coded it inside the abstract

[soft turtle]

If I sent an ObjectHideMessage to a player, how can I then spawn the object back to the player?

[upper vapor]

NetworkServer.SensSpawnMessage

[upper vapor]

Well, keep a set of all registered handlers

[celest thorn]

btw axwabo you know any plugin with kit functionality

[upper vapor]

Use some central mechanism to register them

[upper vapor]

With what

[celest thorn]

like you spawn and it gives you a kit

[upper vapor]

Probably some plugin exists that modifies starting inventories

[celest thorn]

hmm you know any?

[upper vapor]

It's really not that hard to code though

[upper vapor]

#1336031121699377213

[celest thorn]

nah i don't have any idea on how to code some stuff for it

you know what i will code it myself ig

i just need a simple api but the fact is i just wanted to see how they coded it some people

[upper vapor]

Loadout event

Or role changed event

[celest thorn]

No i mean more the how you add items

like idk how to explain it

[upper vapor]

There's a TryGetLoadout method somewhere in the inventory system

[celest thorn]

Nah i meant more you know like config wise

[upper vapor]

Well look through existing plugins

[royal mica]

Probably config are plugin made and not hand crafted

Have items in your inventory and serialize that

[celest thorn]

you are read now

gg

[royal mica]

gg

[soft turtle]

You mean SpawnMessage?

[upper vapor]

It's a method

You don't need to create the spawn message yourself

[soft turtle]

But the NetworkServer will spawn an object for everyone, but I need to spawn it for a specific player.

[upper vapor]

No

SendSpawnMessage requires a connection

[restive turret]

You mean Spawn() or SendSpawnMessage

Spawning a r6s operator in sl

(sens)

[soft turtle]

[upper vapor]

Me when you can publicize mirror

[restive turret]

Me when you not publicize every assembly

[upper vapor]

Publicize the government

[restive turret]

Cant

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/0va6o6uc.png

Anything else i should consider?

[restive turret]

Maybe idk

Would rename it to GiveTo

[celest thorn]

make sense

i don't think i made any mistakes ngl

i didn't forget anything

oh wait to check if the player inventory is full

[hearty shard]

slime!!!

[restive turret]

Idk if the givecandy makes another bag if the other is full

[restive turret]

MEOW

[true cedar]

shame on YOU eve

[restive turret]

Yes

[true cedar]

oh you said slime

[hearty shard]

im so proud of you

[hearty shard]

what the hell did you think i said

[true cedar]

shame

[hearty shard]

...

paws

do you need glasses

[restive turret]

I need better ones prob

[true cedar]

yea

[hearty shard]

so like

when r u fixing ruei

[restive turret]

They have like 5 days

Or 6

[true cedar]

they *

[true cedar]

whats broken

[hearty shard]

idk

t

[true cedar]

fuck you

[hearty shard]

ur meant to fix it without my tests

[restive turret]

Oh sorry

[hearty shard]

actually

did u fix size yet

[true cedar]

what size

oh

yea

[hearty shard]

proof

[restive turret]

Size of T

[hearty shard]

romeo

[restive turret]

??

[hearty shard]

we love

[restive turret]

player.Hints.Destroy()

[hearty shard]

i just realized

[true cedar]

is that extension properties

[hearty shard]

yes

[hearty shard]

i can do this instead of dealing with reference hub

fuck reference hub

[true cedar]

it would be neat to let you use them in ruei but

[restive turret]

Where TryGet

[hearty shard]

no!

i need string return

anyway

wait

paws

ur a C# nerd

how does it handle this

the last part, where i get string from player

i mean

this is a basic not dynamic

[true cedar]

what do u mean how would it handle it

it calls the method

[hearty shard]

how does C# handle the player storing

for the future

[true cedar]

?

im so confused wdym

[hearty shard]

ok so

dynamic element right

[restive turret]

GetHintDisplay run before the Show

[hearty shard]

not what im trying to get

[upper vapor]

Did you...

[restive turret]

Brain failure

And keyboard too

[true cedar]

yes

i see

[hearty shard]

yea if i made that Player player and had it store that in the func

[true cedar]

you know how delegates are classes

[hearty shard]

how does C# handle that

NO!

[true cedar]

a delegate is a class

Func is a class for example

it creates a new class that inherits from Func and stores the player

so like

[hearty shard]

oh okay

cool

!!!

would that be better than a dictionary call

yk Player.Get(hub)

[true cedar]

class Method : Func {
Player player;
}

[upper vapor]

Yeah the compiler does some magic and puts the player in a field of that magic

Eve

You have rider

[hearty shard]

im asking rue anyway

[upper vapor]

Just check the IL viewer

[hearty shard]

id rather learn from a human

[true cedar]

who says im a human

[hearty shard]

also ruei 3 does it care if element is different

[upper vapor]

There's also https://sharplab.io

[hearty shard]

does it need to be different for each player

[upper vapor]

See?

Eve you are a horrible dev get your c# skills up...

[hearty shard]

shush!!

[hearty shard]

RUE!

[upper vapor]

Years of academy training wasted

[true cedar]

wdym

[hearty shard]

i assume no

but

if i create a element

and give it to every player

rather than new per player

thats fine righttt

[true cedar]

yea

[hearty shard]

cool

horray!

[true cedar]

thats why elements are read only

[hearty shard]

oh i thought it was cuz u were mean

[true cedar]

no

i also didnt want people changing the text of elements and going O_O why isn't it UPDATING!!!

[upper vapor]

We could replace the words "you" and "were" in that sentence with different words

[upper vapor]

True

[true cedar]

huh

[upper vapor]

TRueIng

[hearty shard]

banned

[upper vapor]

Immutable design is goated (not always)

[true cedar]

i somewhat regret it

bc i have to like

create a bunch of copies of classes and shit just to be readonly but the alternative is having every element store the displays its in and every property updating those displays when changed

[upper vapor]

Yeah that would work too

Now I'm gonna make a new hint framework with that approach

[true cedar]

glhf

i thought about it but its like

shit like lists

unless you wanna have a notify collection changed thingamajig

[upper vapor]

(I'm not going to]

[upper vapor]

ObservableCollection

[true cedar]

yea that

[upper vapor]

Great and shit at the same time

[true cedar]

it will be a cold day in hell before i ever use that

[true cedar]

i was also thinking about a builder approach but i eventually decided against it

way too verbose

[hearty shard]

guess what

[true cedar]

what

[hearty shard]

chicken butt

btw

when release fix for size tag

!!!

or yk slide me the dll

[true cedar]

fuck u

[hearty shard]

gr

[upper vapor]

me when github actions

[hearty shard]

i coul

d

but i wont

honestly swapping wasnt that bad

[worn gull]

is it possible to use steam:// to join to a server

[upper vapor]

ye

[grand flower]

You can since 14.1.4

[worn gull]

How?

[upper vapor]

check the release notes

[worn gull]

bruh

Alr

[soft turtle]

Mirror.NetworkServer.SendSpawnMessage(Mirror.NetworkIdentity,Mirror.NetworkConnection)' is inaccessible from method NGV.CustomItems.NVG.Show

inaccessible...

[upper vapor]

you didn't enable unsafe code

[hearty shard]

publicize

enable unsafe code

[upper vapor]

bruh

[hearty shard]

i lowk wasnt reading

[soft turtle]

oh.... I forgot about it XD
Thx

[upper vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373946123542069258/1395496171828416852/Hubert.gif

[restive turret]

did you enable unsafe code?

[hearty shard]

honestly

[unique crane]

Disable safe code

[hearty shard]

with the fact theres over 1k sl servers

it might be worth it to quit

[upper vapor]

XXXXXDDDDDD

[upper vapor]

why tf

are there so many

[hearty shard]

and like 1-4k players

so like

[restive turret]

how many of it is vanilla?

[hearty shard]

tbf stuff like CT/dr brights / other servers with like 20 servers do add up

but

yea theres alot

(im using https://scplist.kr/ for this data so it might be off a bit, but nw wont give the answer sooo)

ok well ok well i check that server list and theres

same server, just one is a private dev one

[hearty shard]

133 apparently

or at least without modded flag according to that sites data

32 vanilla servers with ff on lol

[upper vapor]

freundlich uwu

why the actual fuck do you have a dev server on the list

blud forgot !private

😭

[hearty shard]

theres just a lot of communites with 2 servers

or more

even if only 1 is actually ever used

[icy knoll]

i just didnt verify my test server

lol

[hearty shard]

hiding empty servers gives a server count of 261

[celest thorn]

@unique crane
I think i found an issue

InvalidOperationException: SpectatableModuleBase of name 'ScientistRole(Clone)' does not have an owner!
  at PlayerRoles.Spectating.SpectatableModuleBase.get_TargetHub () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 
  at PlayerRoles.Spectating.SpectatableListManager.TryGetNextTargetId (System.Boolean prevKeyDown, System.Boolean nextKeyDown, System.Int32& nextId) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 
  at PlayerRoles.Spectating.SpectatableListManager.NextTarget () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 
  at PlayerRoles.Spectating.SpectatorRole.Update () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 

(Base game && Client)

[unique crane]

Old issue

already reported

[celest thorn]

yea but why tf its happening

there's a fix for next update

[hearty shard]

david r u old

[unique crane]

Im 20

[hearty shard]

same thing

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/send-this-peasant-to-the-dungeons-cat-shoo-cat-biscuts-gif-16117581385364247299

[hearty shard]

woah

not nice

https://tenor.com/view/cat-beer-cheers-gif-11893177084610605588

@restive turret send a cat

now!

[restive turret]

u so young

[hearty shard]

dont compliment the old man

[restive turret]

im older than him

[hearty shard]

oh...

[true cedar]

im older than all of u :3

[hearty shard]

ok grandparent

[teal junco]

you guys are all ultra old

[grand flower]

what

[restive turret]

no u

[teal junco]

in comparison to me that is

[swift nexus]

known, no reproduction steps at this time. A fix was attempted, but it did not solve it

[celest thorn]

i probably found a step?

[swift nexus]

lmk if you do find some reproduction steps

seems to be related to something happening at the end of a round

and then it just spams the null ref

[celest thorn]

what i did was

Spawn and die at and after 2 seconds respawn

from a grenade

i repdrouced it 2 times

while i was testing

[swift nexus]

ooo very nice

alrighty I'll give that a shot ty

[celest thorn]

from code

wait let me send you

[swift nexus]

actually that would explain why this happens, since something goes wrong with the pooling

makes sense in such a short timeframe

[celest thorn]

Ok so i will explain it i have a timestamp with 2 seconds set it and i start the coroutine on player dying and after 2 seconds i respawn

with none flags

sadly i cannot show the code because its from a tourney which could give off what it is

(and i don't wanna get shot by maro)

do you want me to do a report?

[celest thorn]

let me know if you want me to detail the bug report with code to it attached to replicate it

[swift nexus]

yes could you make a bug report? I don't think you'll need to add code, but you can if you think it would improve it

[celest thorn]

i can create a similar one that should reproduce it

with same logic

[celest thorn]

can you link me the bug report

[restive turret]

!bugreport

[regal lake]

You can report a bug using the instructions found here: https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1388685084302905464

[restive turret]

https://support.scpslgame.com/bug-report

[warped prairie]

report me im a bug

because im evil

[restive turret]

u r not a bug

[slender depot]

What is a door nametag?

[worn gull]

Hi! Is it possible to change a player's team, example: a D-Class is in the SCPs team

[grand flower]

Through patching yes

[worn gull]

And what I need to patch?

[grand flower]

Don't remember off the top of my head but realistically any team accessor, whether property or method

[restive turret]

PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleBase.get_Team()
this

[worn gull]

thanks

[warped prairie]

he wants me guys

[worn gull]

But it's abstract ```cs
public abstract Team Team { get; }

[hearty shard]

yea ur gonna have to patch class d one

you could also use GetMethods() to find what to patch

and patch all of them with reflection

[worn gull]

Aaand that's what is over my knowlage xd

[hearty shard]

well

you could just

[HarmonyPatch(typeof()] and put all of them in

public static MethodBase TargetMethod()
    {
        // use normal reflection or helper methods in <AccessTools> to find the method/constructor
        // you want to patch and return its MethodInfo/ConstructorInfo
        //
        var type = AccessTools.FirstInner(typeof(TheClass), t => t.Name.Contains("Stuff"));
        return AccessTools.FirstMethod(type, method => method.Name.Contains("SomeMethod"));
    }

its this

but

IEnumerable<MethodBase> and TargetMethods

afaik

[restive turret]

Aint you can just do this?

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(PlayerRoleBase), nameof(PlayerRoleBase.Team), MethodType.Getter)]
internal static class PlayerRoleBase_Team
{
    public static bool Prefix(PlayerRoleBase __instance, ref Team __result)
    {
        if (__instance.TryGetOwner(out var owner))
            return true;
        Player player = Player.Get(owner);
        if (!CustomRoleHelpers.TryGetCustomRole(player, out var customRoleInfo))
            return true;
        if (customRoleInfo.OverrideTeam != Team.Dead)
        {
            __result = customRoleInfo.OverrideTeam;
            return false;
        }
        return true;
    }
}

i check it anyway

[hearty shard]

pretty sure that doesnt work

[restive turret]

i check

HarmonyLib.HarmonyException: Patching exception in method abstract virtual PlayerRoles.Team PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleBase::get_Team() ---> System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.ArgumentException: Label #2 is not marked in method `PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleBase.get_Team_Patch
ah ye

[grand flower]

You need transpilers

That's how we do it on Bright's

[hearty shard]

why?

couldnt you patch yk HumanRole method

[grand flower]

Easier to write one transpiler and have target methods

[hearty shard]

doesnt non transpiler allow this too?

[grand flower]

shrug idk

it's just how we do it and it works

[restive turret]

    public static IEnumerable<MethodBase> TargetMethods()
    {
        string TeamGetter = AccessTools.PropertyGetter(typeof(PlayerRoleBase), nameof(PlayerRoleBase.Team)).Name;
        return AccessTools.AllTypes().Where(type =>
            typeof(PlayerRoleBase).IsAssignableFrom(type) && 
            type.GetMethods(AccessTools.allDeclared).Any(method => method.Name.Contains(TeamGetter) && method.HasMethodBody())
        ).Select(type => type.GetMethods(AccessTools.allDeclared).FirstOrDefault(method => method.Name.Contains(TeamGetter) && method.HasMethodBody()));
    }

    public static bool Prefix(PlayerRoleBase __instance, ref Team __result)
    {
        __result = Team.SCPs;
        return true;
    }

[celest thorn]

https://git.scpslgame.com/northwood-qa/scpsl-bug-reporting/-/issues/2005

Oh wait i forgot to say it should be done when the player is dying

on that event

fuck

can you change it?

[glad pagoda]

why not jkust

getproperty("team").getmethod

[restive turret]

i dont think the string ever chaning

and also it doing useless calculation for just getting that string

[grand flower]

AccessTools.PropertyGetter exists

fyi

[glad pagoda]

well unlikely but no point hardcoding impl details when you can just not

and make it cleaner

[grand flower]

iirc AccessTools.PropertyGetter(typeof(PlayerRoleBase), nameof(PlayerRoleBase.Team))

[plain gazelle]

Accidentally parented a primitive with collider to me

[restive turret]

changed

[true cedar]

@hearty shard how'd you install the new c# version

[hearty shard]

dotnet website get the sdk, install it

then update rider

[true cedar]

r*der

[hearty shard]

shush

[true cedar]

i thought vs would install it for me

but it doesn't seem to work

[hearty shard]

[true cedar]

stfu

[hearty shard]

no!

[true cedar]

i swear to god

[worn gull]

How can I use this? 😅

[restive turret]

i still testing if works

[plain gazelle]

Is there a better way to delay something by two frames xD

[swift nexus]

yes!

tell me which parts of the text I should change, and I will!

[hearty shard]

create a method for it

CallDelayed acts as just a coroutine, so youd do the same

[restive turret]

Timing.WaitOneFrame

Or something

But should be inside a coroutine

[hearty shard]

Ya

[restive turret]

Like
IE<float> MyCor()
{
yield return T.WOF;
yield return T.WOF;
//My thing here
}

[hearty shard]

Tbf youd probably wanna accept int frameCount

And do it like that

[celest thorn]

The reproduce to reproduce it you need to do all of the timing.calldelayed on dying

[true cedar]

@hearty shard guess what

[hearty shard]

Chicken butt

[true cedar]

ruei will have support for extension members

[hearty shard]

so proud of you

[grand flower]

public static class ActionExtensions
{
    public static CoroutineHandle CallInXFrames(this Action action, int frames)
    {
        return Timing.RunCoroutine(DelayByXFrames(action, frames));
    }

    private static IEnumerator<float> DelayByXFrames(Action action, int frames)
    {
        var framesLeft = frames;
        while (framesLeft > 0)
        {
            --framesLeft;
            yield return Timing.WaitForOneFrame;
        }

        action();
    }

[plain gazelle]

thanks ^^

[grand flower]

new Action(() =>
{
  Logger.Info("Hello 2 frames later");
}).CallInXFrames(2);

[worn gull]

lmk if it works please

[restive turret]

nah

idk how it even do it

right

using HarmonyLib;
using LabApi.Features.Wrappers;
using PlayerRoles;
using SimpleCustomRoles.Helpers;
using System.Reflection;

namespace SimpleCustomRoles.Patches;

[HarmonyPatch]
internal static class PlayerRoleBase_Team
{
    public static IEnumerable<MethodBase> TargetMethods()
    {
        string TeamGetter = AccessTools.PropertyGetter(typeof(PlayerRoleBase), nameof(PlayerRoleBase.Team)).Name;
        return AccessTools.AllTypes().Where(type =>
            typeof(PlayerRoleBase).IsAssignableFrom(type) && 
            type.GetMethods(AccessTools.allDeclared).Any(method => method.Name.Contains(TeamGetter) && method.HasMethodBody())
        ).Select(type => type.GetMethods(AccessTools.allDeclared).FirstOrDefault(method => method.Name.Contains(TeamGetter) && method.HasMethodBody()));
    }

    public static bool Prefix(PlayerRoleBase __instance, ref Team __result)
    {
        if (!__instance.TryGetOwner(out var owner))
            return true;
        Player player = Player.Get(owner);
        if (!CustomRoleHelpers.TryGetCustomRole(player, out var customRoleInfo))
            return true;
        if (customRoleInfo.OverrideTeam != Team.Dead)
        {
            __result = customRoleInfo.OverrideTeam;
            return false;
        }
        return true;
    }
}

I set myself as CI, OverrideTeam to SCPs but nah still not visible via 079

and still can hurt the other scps

so nah

[hearty shard]

079 uses client side btw

[restive turret]

ŰFŰUCK MEEE

and hurting too or what

[hearty shard]

Nah

[restive turret]

then my shit is either busted or idk

[hearty shard]

Logger!

[restive turret]

atleast the SCP count works

[restive turret]

nvm client side it shows the hit thing but doesnt do any dmg

still busted af but anyway

some things works

[restive turret]

this has the biggest delay as i can see so prob as Cyn said prob transpilers would be better than this

[slate flume]

🔥

[slate flume]

You're trying to make a player of a non-SCP role register as an SCP?

I was able to do that and vice-versa

But it takes a lot of patching

Well

Not a lot but you get the idea

I patched the hitreg instead of the team getter

[restive turret]

Not me so

[slate flume]

Fair enough

[slate flume]

You have to patch a couple things (like Amnestic cloud) separately

At least doing my method

[restive turret]

Ye many need patching

[slate flume]

The end result on the client is more clean

But it's more work

So it's a trade-off

[restive turret]

Sadly can't add in 079 :(

[slate flume]

Yeah that was something I found out a while back

.

[grand flower]

Shouldn't be anymore

didn't an update make it server sided

like recently

[hearty shard]

Thats scp target counter

Not 079

[grand flower]

oh

[hearty shard]

Idk about 079 specifically

[grand flower]

that one didn't get updated? rip

[hearty shard]

I have no clue rn

It might have

But 079 might just get all the info

[slate flume]

It's part of the chain

[slate flume]

I do because I talked with David lol

It's why I linked the chain

[hearty shard]

Ez

I was right

[shy karma]

do you know of any other solutions or just hopefully wait for a fix... (or @swift nexus )

[swift nexus]

avoid using dummies for combat purposes. Otherwise a stronger machine could help

we're working on some changes that should help gun fights feel better

[gilded plover]

thats nice, its been shit ever since 14.0

it just made them wors- i mean reworked them for no reason lmao

[gilded plover]

then what good are they

[swift nexus]

they are primarily for developers and testers, and they have a lot of uses. I wouldn't recommend using them as active combatants

[hearty shard]

Theyre for testing

[gilded plover]

even for testing having working hitboxes for them seems like a pretty basic thing they should have but eh

[slate flume]

[slate flume]

I keep trying to tell people the problem isn't exclusive to dummies

But no one fucking believes me it's insane

[swift nexus]

they have working hitboxes, the issue probably has to do with backtracking

especially if the server is on low end hardware

[gilded plover]

tell anyone who plays pvp they will agree

[slate flume]

Yes

[slate flume]

^^^

The problem is for players too

That's my whole point

[gilded plover]

ofc

they just notice it less cuz the average player is bad at pvp

[slate flume]

Maybe there is player backtracking and not dummy backtracking, idk, but that sounds improbable, and either way the hitreg sucks ass for both

[gilded plover]

its a dummy issue

on that server

but yeah hitreg in general is rly laggy due to weird hitboxes

[gilded plover]

what kind

[swift nexus]

#developer-showcase

Patreon info

[burnt hearth]

ah yes no access

[glad pagoda]

skill issue

[gilded plover]

our bad for not funding huberts coke addiction or wherever else the money is disappearing to

[burnt hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/lf-ssj3-goku-grn-ssj3-goku-lf-ssj2-goku-grn-ssj2-goku-ssj2-goku-gif-5116476295940935879

[restive turret]

Would say in my pockets but i would be lying

[slate flume]

🔥🔥🔥

[worthy rune]

i would try setting the position through the wrapper or just use ServerOverridePosition. other than that your out of luck

[grand flower]

Make the hit validation more lenient

This isn't Valorant/CS you don't need to check which bone was hit, cheaters are already going to laser your head off anyway

[worthy rune]

isnt really up to me, but checking which bone(or hitbox type) is kinda important especially if your trying to make it harder for cheaters as they would have to "lock on" if they want to be effective rather than just claiming they hit the head(even if they didnt) to get a free damage multiplier which imo is harder to spot if your a spectator(as you dont get any feedback about what hitbox is hit)

now the above kinda gets ruined by the fact that silent aim is a thing, which is why i think they should move in the opposite direction. i.e. do it properly instead of the mid mess we have now

[grand flower]

You're realistically not going to be able to get rid of silent aim, which is why I'm more of a "make it feel good for players, do some validation to prevent cheaters from killing you through walls" kind of person for games like these

And due to how the movement is networked spectators already get desync between what they see and what the player was doing when shooting

and they already call hacks because of that, so it's really not gonna do much for specs

• there's the cost

I get NW doesn't care about servers over 30 players but they exist heh

[worthy rune]

idk if they have an opinion about it, i think its just that the game doesnt run well with alot of players so that they dont recommend large servers where players end up having a poor experience FPS wise

[grand flower]

IIRC QA rejects bugs that happen on servers over that amount or something

but yeah fair

[worthy rune]

i agree it cant be removed completely, its just rn theres like a 20 degree range which is pretty lenient

[worthy rune]

hmmm, is that todo with VC?

[grand flower]

that's one of them

[worthy rune]

i do remember something about that and player count

[grand flower]

the whole can't hear people bug over X amount of players on the server

But yeah, cheaters are gonna cheat, they already do, I'd focus on making it less crappy hitreg wise for regular players

[worthy rune]

the stance could have changed, since i remember the VSR talking about 60 player caps, and the CSG doenst have a cap anymore

CC @swift nexus ^

[grand flower]

The game wont run well at that high of a player count anyway heh

hopefully NW focused on performance fixes soon

[worthy rune]

yeah

[grand flower]

I'm giving myself the target of 64 players stable, 100 players at 30FPS (server FPS)

on my project

Mostly as a bit of training so I don't get rusty

[slate flume]

I thought you meant SL for a second lmao

[grand flower]

nah

I'd need access to the client

and I'm already working a full time job + some clients on the weekend, I don't really wanna apply to NW heh

Technically I wanna push it to 128 players

And I know I can do so

[slate flume]

That's fire

[grand flower]

Just that it's a lot of work and I'd rather get 64 players @ 60 FPS working

then I can push it more once I have an actual game lol

[slate flume]

Yeah priorities and shit

Make the networking for 2 years before you make the game

[grand flower]

I mean Unreal has a pretty good networking framework and the new one is even better

Considering it's my specialty it's not gonna take me 2 years heh

[slate flume]

Make the game in Unity 😁

[grand flower]

im good

I want to make a game not rip my hair out

[slate flume]

No wonder Hubert's bald

[grand flower]

right now im focusing on the modding framework

since I want to build parts of the game as a mod

[glad pagoda]

I'd normally call that a good idea

but

in C++ that's a bit crazy

[grand flower]

Modding framework is Lua

Not C++

[glad pagoda]

Lua

ugh we have no harold emote here

[grand flower]

I want clientside mods

Lua is easy to sandbox

Meaning servers can send clients mods

And have client & server side mods communicate with each other

[glad pagoda]

sandboxing is never fully secure

[grand flower]

I can get rid of most dangerous functions the Lua libs offer

Provide my own alternatives

Garry's Mod can do it fine

That's the kind of sandboxing I'm talking about, without access to OS stuff they can't do much damage

Crash the game for the player sure, but that's fine

And by making parts of the game mods, I'll know what the modding framework needs

[true cedar]

legitimately how much could you do with extremely muzzled clientsided mods

and without the game's source

[grand flower]

Talking about my project

not SL

I can expose whatever I want on my project

[true cedar]

ic

[upper vapor]

The thing you see in the RA under map control or something

GATE_A, 106_PRIMARY, etc

[upper vapor]

Exactly

Visual studio sucks

[upper vapor]

LET'S GO

[upper vapor]

Just setting the team is not enough

[upper vapor]

Exactly

[upper vapor]

Have you tried the hitbox extender plugin? It might help a bit

[pulsar locust]

Luau (Roblox lua) is so sandbox it actually removes most dangerous functions it has

I wish they hadn't tho

I also wish it had JIT

Since most of the stuff they add are actually really good extensions to the lua language

With enums and stricter typing

[upper vapor]

How tf do hyper realistic roblgx games function without that

[celest thorn]

magic

[upper pike]

Can Light toys stop 173?

[upper vapor]

Pretty sure they can't

[upper pike]

Yeah I forgot dummies were a thing and just tested it now

Nope

[unique crane]

No

[pulsar locust]

Because luau does the bytecode ahead of time I think

[upper vapor]

Crazy

[upper pike]

Is there any alternative or should I just go make a suggestion on the GitHub

[upper vapor]

Do you want to? If yes then d, otherwise it'll be forgotten

Check how the observers tracker works