plugins-dev-chat

[unique crane]

Programmer's skill issue

[upper vapor]

"we don't need to test, i know what i'm doing"

-# i tend to overtest

[unique crane]

Like it you set the volume to 100x

That's a skill issue

It would be like adding check so you don't cause epilepsy

From light toy

[upper vapor]

❌ read the docs
✅ follow natural stupidity because volume sliders in games tend to be 0-100%, and don't even think of testing it locally

[upper vapor]

LCZ toilets light before they reduced flickering khm khm

[unique crane]

Anyways I did fresh install of windows 10

Time to add Linux dual boot

[upper vapor]

should've installed linux

yes

[unique crane]

I gotta keep windows 10 for some stuff

Like Helldivers 2 xd

[celest thorn]

David

when OnGui Support from server to Client

:3

[unique crane]

I'm on windows 10 so

No more updates

XDD

[upper vapor]

in another multiverse

[celest thorn]

i know ;(

[unique crane]

What's that

[hearty shard]

guh guh guh

[unique crane]

Again

[hearty shard]

hi axe

hi david

[unique crane]

I forg

[upper vapor]

i forg

me too

[unique crane]

That's like that editor UI no

[celest thorn]

OnGui is the method for drawing into the screen

[unique crane]

Or we'll the very basic one

[celest thorn]

Yea and its used in sl

rn

[upper vapor]

she wants IMGUI

[unique crane]

As marked by jesus

[upper vapor]

(pro tip: don't use IMGUI)

[hearty shard]

what

[unique crane]

We are looking into alternatives

Than hints

[hearty shard]

woah

does this mean

no more ruei?!

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-gif-22212681

[hearty shard]

no more meowing service?!

[upper vapor]

XDDD

[unique crane]

No more what

[upper vapor]

hsm

[hearty shard]

😭

[tepid sluice]

wait

we will rework hints?

[hearty shard]

i love bagels for my birthday

[hearty shard]

no its a different

alternative

[upper vapor]

david you've breached your NDA
gotta go to hubert jail

[celest thorn]

AnimCullingStatsCommand

[hearty shard]

real

[tepid sluice]

whats that

[unique crane]

How do you type % on English keyboard

[celest thorn]

FRRR????? :3

[upper vapor]

shift 5

[tepid sluice]

%

[hearty shard]

it means instead of replacing hints, itll be a new feature

[celest thorn]

%

[unique crane]

Thanks

[celest thorn]

Shift 5

[upper vapor]

np

shit 5

[hearty shard]

instead of deleting nwapi
its labapi AND nwapi

best explanation

[upper vapor]

you really have to profile animators?

[hearty shard]

why didnt yall keep nwapi 💔

[celest thorn]

No its a real thing

added by nw this update

[upper vapor]

we'll bring it back sometime

[tepid sluice]

plz kill nwapi

[hearty shard]

at least someone gets it

[tepid sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/car-car-fnf-garn47-hit-single-real-apple-gif-16157117772080199745

[celest thorn]

if you type "animcullingdebug" in your client console it enables

with a GUI updated from the server

[upper vapor]

imagine disclosing that in the changelog

[hearty shard]

i might have to brainrot

a lot

[tepid sluice]

holy shit what is that

[upper vapor]

oh right the uhhh

far player

[celest thorn]

I know because i have updated to my github

[upper vapor]

animation "LOD" thing

[celest thorn]

thats why i know it existed

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/hvpekmle.png

[hearty shard]

axe

[celest thorn]

and someone added this to the code

[hearty shard]

hows secret api!

i need to release it

one day

in a non beta

[celest thorn]

Drank it

https://tenor.com/view/pyra-tea-xenoblade-chronicles2-gif-26108353

[restive turret]

And because some other thing actually using this ye

[hearty shard]

slime boy

do you like bagels

[celest thorn]

I beg nw to add this possible to the client

GOD

[restive turret]

What is a bagel

[hearty shard]

...

[restive turret]

Is like a baget

[hearty shard]

im quitting

[static meteor]

:|

[tepid sluice]

@restive turrethello slime boy

[restive turret]

🙏

[hearty shard]

wow...

[restive turret]

Don't ever do that

[celest thorn]

Baguette?

[celest thorn]

nameless called you "slime boy"

[hearty shard]

at least you let me call you it

thanks!!!

i have the best nicknames ever

[tepid sluice]

💔

[restive turret]

I will call her evilin

[hearty shard]

just cuz im evil doesnt mean im evil

[restive turret]

You are evil

[hearty shard]

also u cant be mean on my birthday

[celest thorn]

lol

[slate flume]

Fire thank you so much!

[restive turret]

I was gonna say smth evil but i decided i do this instead
Happy birthday 🎂
The cake is a lie

[hearty shard]

the cake is a lie...?

not again...

[restive turret]

Anyway brb gotta buy cigarettes and bread

[hearty shard]

i question my grandma sometimes

why r u buying cigarettes

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/portal-glados-robot-gaming-gameplay-gif-17551452

[restive turret]

To chainsmoke it

[celest thorn]

THE CAKE IS NOT A LIE

THE CAKE IS REAL

[hearty shard]

good point

i approve

[celest thorn]

I can prove that

[restive turret]

Actually to my parents

I don't smoke

Yet

[hearty shard]

yet

[celest thorn]

https://youtu.be/1k3u-xI15nc?list=RD1k3u-xI15nc&t=604

At the end of portal 1 the cake is there

SO IT MEANS ITS NOT A LIE

[restive turret]

Congratulations you found me
Was it worth it?

I somehow memorized some of glados lines

[celest thorn]

You are crazy

[restive turret]

And i can't escape from it

[celest thorn]

like

[hearty shard]

I someone

me too

[celest thorn]

bro you wanna become glados?

[restive turret]

*somehow

[hearty shard]

im so proud of you

[restive turret]

U played the game at like 14yr and was really great

[celest thorn]

game is great nothing more

[restive turret]

So decided to play too much

[celest thorn]

what valve gives us is love

can we make portals in SL

like real portals

not primitives fake portals

[stuck peak]

portal 1 is great to speedrun

[celest thorn]

portal 2 is broken too

[stuck peak]

portal 1 oob is probably the most fun you can have speedrunning

[stuck peak]

yeah but it's not as much of a broken mess

[celest thorn]

like the ending is crazy how they found the thing to get less time

with frame perfect

[restive turret]

And that too much made me hear the line again and again

[stuck peak]

especially portal 3420

[restive turret]

Until i said the line with glados too

[stuck peak]

most broken version that crashes on most machines but has the most broken things

[celest thorn]

the goo sound

[restive turret]

Oh fiddle stick what now!

[stuck peak]

only portal 2 glitch I know is the flying one

where you crouch into the ceiling on the booster things

[celest thorn]

Yea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syOiG7h-KUE

btw this video is amazing

the goo sound or mud.wav

btw something i forgot to say, idk if david, slejm or axwabo remembers the culling toy glitch that for some reason was causing client side errors even tho it was correct, from a version to another it fixed itself

so now it doesn't even say the error anymore

of the mismatch

[restive turret]

Lel

[celest thorn]

idk i find it funny that now doesn't happen anymore

[hearty shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760551870673846317/1362006509784928346/caption.gif

[slate flume]

:O HI X3RT

[hearty shard]

um

nuh uh

[slate flume]

Thank you for all the tips on transpilers, they've really helped me out

My code improved like 10x with the information you gave me

[stuck peak]

yay

[hearty shard]

can u rewrite sl in assembly pls

[stuck peak]

yes let me write asm for 10 years

[hearty shard]

see

someone gets it

[celest thorn]

can you rewrite sl in c++ with a custom game engine

and no libraries obv

only vulkan and directx allowed tho

[stuck peak]

I love tokyospliff

[slate flume]

Unironically this was how rollercoaster tycoon was made

[hearty shard]

yes

[stuck peak]

I mean yes of course

[slate flume]

Back in the good old days

[stuck peak]

gotta say some of his code is painful to look at because he's primarily used to shader work so his actual code ends up being structured like shaders

but it has been getting better over time

[upper vapor]

just release it

recompile for the new update

[slate flume]

Was SecretAPI not recompiled for the latest update?

I use it for the SSSS wrapper it's kind of really important

[hearty shard]

Has something changed in the update?

[tepid sluice]

I also need secret API

for customeffects

🔥

[upper vapor]

yes

[slate flume]

Don't plugins need to be recompiled for the latest update to, you know, generally work?

[hearty shard]

um

[upper vapor]

some ctors

[hearty shard]

not unless they break something

[upper vapor]

if there are no breaking changes affecting it

[hearty shard]

eg they change the params to SSS

[slate flume]

Things change every update

[hearty shard]

ya but not everything is a brekaing change every update

[upper vapor]

but if your code doesn't touch anything that wasn't broken
then you have nothing to worry about

patches maybe

[slate flume]

Weird cause sometimes an update breaks seemingly unrelated things

[upper vapor]

i didn't have to recompile my command system but someone is still having issues with its patches

-# nobody else reported an issue

[slate flume]

Like this latest update broke my custom items

[upper vapor]

-# works on a fresh installation

[slate flume]

Idek why

[hearty shard]

lets take CustomHeader

if they changed SSGroupHeader

away from SSGroupHeader(label, reducedPadding, hint);

[upper vapor]

14.1.4 or 14.1.4.1

[slate flume]

But if I recompile it should just work

[hearty shard]

and added or removed one of those params

[slate flume]

14.1.4

[hearty shard]

then recompile is needed

[upper vapor]

yeah

even if they add a default parameter, it's a breaking change

[hearty shard]

i recompiled because of the Player::GameObject changes

[upper vapor]

cuz the method without it no longer exists

[slate flume]

So then why would something like this happen from 14.1.4 changes

[hearty shard]

for own server

[hearty shard]

[upper vapor]

i'd have to see some code

my guess is that some signature was changed

[slate flume]

Sure
I'm not sure exactly what is wrong but I've been told it broke

[slate flume]

Huh

[upper vapor]

method signature in the base game

[hearty shard]

i love playing sl w 600ms

[upper vapor]

indeed

happy birthday

[slate flume]

Yeah probably

[upper vapor]

birthgay

[hearty shard]

damn..

[upper vapor]

:3

[slate flume]

I really only attach to a bunch of LabAPI events to register custom items

[hearty shard]

i thought id hop on my server for a bit and then its 200-700 ping 💔

[slate flume]

I don't do any patching

[hearty shard]

ig i just need to get gud

[stuck peak]

everything works fine here

[upper vapor]

that's odd

[upper vapor]

yeah cuz you have source code

[slate flume]

Well yeah I just haven't recompiled it

[upper vapor]

😭

[stuck peak]

completely broken? or breaking after something happening?

[stuck peak]

worked here without recompile

[slate flume]

No clue, I haven't tested nor recompiled, because I'm in Europe

[stuck peak]

olrite

[celest thorn]

For me everything works

without update

[stuck peak]

??

[slate flume]

My point is that generally it's good practice to recompile plugins each update

[hearty shard]

axe is on smth

[upper vapor]

nevermind

[upper vapor]

yeah

[slate flume]

It prevents these issues

I can guarantee almost 100% that one recompile is going to fix my plugin

[celest thorn]

we should remove src to nw so they know the struggle

[slate flume]

When I heard SecretAPI wasn't updated with 14.1.4 I get worried because these updates change a fair amount and I'm unsure that any testing has been done to ensure these things haven't broken

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-think-the-rock-meme-gif-24810091

[slate flume]

When really all that needs to be done is one recompile

[stuck peak]

genuinely how does having client source help with custom items lmao

[hearty shard]

honestly a lot of times i dont need it

unless a breaking change happens

[upper vapor]

i thought you meant like
base game works cuz... ofc it works

[hearty shard]

because nothing has changed for me

[slate flume]

So how do you know when a breaking change happens

[stuck peak]

I am talking about our custom items

[hearty shard]

itll error on load

[upper vapor]

you get an exception at runtime

[slate flume]

Not always

[upper vapor]

i figured

[slate flume]

My custom items don't give an exception on loading but they're still broken because something got screwed up with the latest update
I don't necessarily know what, and nothing in the changelogs indicates a breaking change, but stuff broke

[hearty shard]

then thats prob not a method signature change

[stuck peak]

afaik nothing really changed in regards to items/pickups

aside from me fixing 914 duplicating items

[slate flume]

My whole point is that even if you don't think something broke, there's a chance something did break and you just don't know about it

Which is why it's good practice to just

Recompile

It takes like less than a minute

[stuck peak]

oh and cancelling throwing projectiles no longer deletes and creates a new item

[slate flume]

This is why I just try to write everything myself, then I don't have to rely on other devs for these things 😭

[hearty shard]

oh

jailbird is completely broken w bad ping

so sad

[stuck peak]

is this a recent thing? or is this a thing since like last year

just wondering if I broke it back then

[hearty shard]

idk i havent played sl w 200-700 ping while carrying a jailbird

[stuck peak]

Yeah that's why I switched away from exiled back when pluginapi originally released

[hearty shard]

jailbird my beloved cant register hits 💔

[stuck peak]

as soon as I didn't have to make my own loader I made my own api framework because Exiled kept causing so many issues

[hearty shard]

lel

[restive turret]

Not mine

[hearty shard]

same!
but i do try to be reliable on with secretapi as much as i can

i cant promise like daily releases or wtv, but i will fix issues that occur

w it

howeverr....

i usually dont recompile unless smth breaks in some way

also r u on 1.x or 2.x

[restive turret]

U just have to press 1 button

[upper vapor]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[hearty shard]

gotta load it up

[upper vapor]

moving to nwapi was painful but full of experience

[restive turret]

You can do it inside github girl

[hearty shard]

and then wait for it... and then compile... and then make a github release....

[upper vapor]

trigger the workflow manually

[hearty shard]

oh true..

[restive turret]

Eve moment

[hearty shard]

im still not doing allat for smth that aint broken

[upper vapor]

i bet it will be broken

[hearty shard]

nooo

[restive turret]

[upper vapor]

something surely

[hearty shard]

nw didnt touch my precious setting surely

i gotta get rid of 1.x at some point

but then i gotta

release 2.x....

yuck

[upper vapor]

then

do it

[upper vapor]

i'm gonna release 10 jars of farts in your house if you don't release it this month

[hearty shard]

GUH

[upper vapor]

great opportunity to invade denmark

[restive turret]

[stuck peak]

yeah that's why I ended up making my own api because it was lacking so many things. Player Factories for example were cool but entirely broken. 1/10 chance of a factory not creating a custom player object for some reason

[slate flume]

2.x afaik

[hearty shard]

yo...

[upper vapor]

lmfao

then they removed support for it

[hearty shard]

good

[stuck peak]

well datastores are my replacement for factories

[slate flume]

I try to stay up to date with releases and things

[stuck peak]

can achieve the same things

and more

[hearty shard]

i mean 2.x is in beta rn

[restive turret]

I still wait for that PR

[slate flume]

I want to eliminate any chance that the problem is with other people and make sure that if there's an issue it's my own fault

[restive turret]

The breaking change one

[hearty shard]

it does work and i havent heard any issues with it

well

the first few betas werent safe

[slate flume]

Still works for me to my knowledge

So good job

It's amazing having an SSSS wrapper

I did not wanna figure that shit out myself

Sounded like hell

[hearty shard]

we'll see what nw does

[restive turret]

I even expanded the thing you did with proper type support instead of T types

[hearty shard]

it was!

[upper vapor]

what if i remake the base SSSS system

[hearty shard]

no

[slate flume]

NW SSSS wrapper is not gonna happen anytime this year

[hearty shard]

please

[restive turret]

🔥 and PR it to nw

[hearty shard]

even then ill keep mine functional for a while

[upper vapor]

this year?

[hearty shard]

to allow swapping

[stuck peak]

me too. But I am glad he's careful with breaking changes

[hearty shard]

unless it has disadvantages which in that case

[stuck peak]

unlike exiled

[upper vapor]

[hearty shard]

jesus?

[restive turret]

One day, all breaking changes will be added

[stuck peak]

yea

[hearty shard]

my baddd

[stuck peak]

yes

[restive turret]

(i dont have the gif)
The day is today

[hearty shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760551870673846317/1362006509784928346/caption.gif

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/nenekasa-tsukanene-nene-tsukasa-nene-kusanagi-gif-4620357050109893568

what the actual fuck

[stuck peak]

nao's attachment change that was released in a minor version

[restive turret]

Thank you ax

[hearty shard]

oh yeah

nao...

remember when nao released 9.0

[celest thorn]

Nao loved breaking changes ngl

[stuck peak]

yeah it's kinda fucked the way exiled made massive changes with no communication

[celest thorn]

he was a great dev i remember playing his server

[restive turret]

I love changing breaks

[hearty shard]

my bad

[celest thorn]

best server ever for modded sl at the time

[stuck peak]

"oh here is a game update so update exiled. Btw 90% of Exiled has changed so have fun updating within 2 days"

[upper vapor]

❌ make breaking changes continuously
✅ rewrite your entire library now that you know the requirements better

[upper vapor]

me when i waited months for exiled to release
they released and un-released like 3 patches and versions

[restive turret]

The game itself also make breaking changes

[hearty shard]

ill make some in secretapi rn

[upper vapor]

12.0 was crazy

[restive turret]

All you do is breaking changes

[hearty shard]

not enough

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/white-cat-eating-salad-meme-blonde-woman-crying-gif-26971383

[hearty shard]

also

[upper vapor]

wait not this one

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/Misfiy/SecretAPI/pull/68 this pr is never going out of development hell

[restive turret]

Good

[upper vapor]

i agree with you

[hearty shard]

writing it is so paainful

i hate it

[celest thorn]

so delete it

[upper vapor]

you are torturing yourself rn

[restive turret]

Make a source gen

[hearty shard]

thats why i stopped it

idk wtf im doing

[upper vapor]

that's what i'm saying

[hearty shard]

it was a concept

[upper vapor]

(she will never)

[hearty shard]

listen

[hearty shard]

for what

[restive turret]

Ax did you do it in yours

[hearty shard]

[upper vapor]

commands

[hearty shard]

damn

[restive turret]

[upper vapor]

not yet cuz i have something else to work on

also if i ever get around to it
i'll try to get it into labapi :3

[restive turret]

Good luck

[upper vapor]

ty

[upper vapor]

do you like english

can you english

[hearty shard]

No

[restive turret]

Negative sir

[celest thorn]

can you speak?

[hearty shard]

wait

[upper vapor]

Some words might not map to any phrase. These will be replaced with a pause of (number of characters * 100) milliseconds.
please fix the first sentence
something like "there might be some words that cannot be mapped to any phrase in the database"

[hearty shard]

@true cedar i see you

[upper vapor]

yes

🗣️🗣️

[upper vapor]

o

something

[stuck peak]

what does this mean

[hearty shard]

fazbear entertainment

[upper vapor]

if cannot find phrase for word
replace with shush

[stuck peak]

what

[upper vapor]

xd

there's a list of phrases the user adds

[upper vapor]

if the text contains a word that cannot be mapped, it'll be silence

ne morzsázz

@restive turret

-# don't leave crumbs

-# don't morsel

[upper vapor]

bro needs help

maro, release her

[true cedar]

eve

help me make an algorithm

im making an algorithm to calculate the optimal enchantment order

[stuck peak]

wtf is an enchantment order

[upper vapor]

minecraft

[stuck peak]

wtf is an enchantment in sl

[upper vapor]

anvil

[stuck peak]

oh

[upper vapor]

book

[stuck peak]

ah

[upper vapor]

XDDD

[restive turret]

if i <= j ; j=j+i+k ; k = i ++ ; j = 6

[true cedar]

yea its a minecraft thing

[upper vapor]

do what my classmate did
for (bool i = true; i = false; i)

"there's a for loop in my code, you can't subtract a point for a lack of for loops"

[restive turret]

Does anyone have an experience reading RFC documents?

[celest thorn]

RFC?

[true cedar]

i made an algorithm i think would work but it doesnt account for like combining 4 sharpness 3 books to make sharpness 5

[celest thorn]

but why??

[upper vapor]

very simple solution

[restive turret]

Yes a website where someone says how to implement stuff

[upper vapor]

string response = ShatGPT.prompt()

XDDDD

shatgpt

gotta love the home key working

[restive turret]

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9147

[celest thorn]

ShartGPT

[true cedar]

i needed an algorithm for a server i play on

that doesnt let u obtain sharpness 5 from villagers

[upper vapor]

why not just

hack the server

[true cedar]

only sharp 3

[upper vapor]

shartness 3

[celest thorn]

Combining?

Like books

do you know the plugin they use?

[upper vapor]

ye

[celest thorn]

or if they use anything

[upper vapor]

just vanilla anviling

[true cedar]

well its not about the plugin

[upper vapor]

probably

[true cedar]

^

[celest thorn]

https://iamcal.github.io/enchant-order/

so use this

[true cedar]

doesn't work bc it assumes the books are already max level

[stuck peak]

I believe;

• If the item is being repaired + 2 cost
• Penalty of both items (0, 1, 3, 7, 15, 31) (depending on how many times it was already repaired in the anvil)
• Enchantment addition cost

I had a table somewhere of all the costs of all enchantments but idk where it is

[upper vapor]

implement A* to do this

[stuck peak]

google will help

[upper vapor]

[true cedar]

i already know the rules

ive been working on this for a couple weeks

[stuck peak]

oh?*

[celest thorn]

https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Anvil_mechanics

this should help

[true cedar]

SCREAMS

[restive turret]

So do i
Never gonna let you down

[celest thorn]

there's the math and everything for it

[true cedar]

ik

ive created an algorithm that mostly works

[upper vapor]

wrong order
banned

[true cedar]

but as i said

it doesnt account for 4 sharp 3 books -> sharp 5

which is kind of why i wanted to make an algorithm

idk!!!

[celest thorn]

i have the perfect idea

take the MCP

strip everything except the anvil code

[warped prairie]

anyone super experienced with HSM able to help me out? Im getting some serious performance issues at scale and was wondering if anyone could check out my framework to see if im doing something not goog

[upper vapor]

switch to RueI

zer0 could tell you all about it

spawning threads per player...

[static meteor]

RueI v3 is mostly stable afaik

[warped prairie]

i tried making the most basic thing with REUI but couldnt even get anything to render on screen

[upper vapor]

did you use v3?

[warped prairie]

i have 2 versions of my framework one with REUI and one with HSM, as i was gonna switch out, but could not for the life of me get it working

ya

[upper vapor]

hm

[hearty shard]

2.1 is what iu se

[upper vapor]

@dapper forge

[hearty shard]

i tried 3 couldnt get it working

[warped prairie]

same. but isnt 2.1 gonna be outdated soon?

[hearty shard]

it should work for a while

[warped prairie]

i wouldnt wanna make my framework around 2.1 if its gonna be obsolete soon

[hearty shard]

last update was in May 25

last needed update was april 28

[warped prairie]

mm possibly

[hearty shard]

ruei 2.x is a dependency in its full form
3.x will be a labapi plugin which you reference

[warped prairie]

alright, ill try working on a 2.1 version then

[upper vapor]

pai dies today

[warped prairie]

i have both, im just trying to get SOMETHING working

[hearty shard]

private static AutoElement? _displayElement = new(Roles.All, new DynamicElement(GetHintDisplay, 10));

private static string GetHintDisplay(DisplayCore core)
{
   return "i hate you";
}

this wont update itself (aka GetHintDisplay wont get called unless you update the display)

new AutoElement(Roles.All, new DynamicElement(GetHintDisplay, 100))
            {
                UpdateEvery = new AutoElement.PeriodicUpdate(TimeSpan.FromSeconds(2)),
            };

this will update every 2s

entirely depends what you need

those are both elements i use (ofc a lot removed)

the first i manually update myself since i wanna have it update instantly on a condition
and the 2nd i use for user info that checking for might not be the most optimal

(aka instead of every frame updating health for players, just wait 2s to do it)

[warped prairie]

i see. ill take a look. ill be back if im too tupid

ty

[hearty shard]

also stringbuilder is used a lot since ruei has extensions for it which means instead of manually adding text you builder.SetColor

(also its not unity color its system.drawing.color )

[upper vapor]

what

why

[celest thorn]

you hate us???

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

so sad

[hearty shard]

um

rue did it weird

[upper vapor]

thank goodness v2 is getting deleted

[hearty shard]

[celest thorn]

guys when v3

[hearty shard]

why r u dead

gid gud

[tepid sluice]

[static meteor]

Html tags mostly work now

[upper vapor]

hi i'm dead
hi eve

[upper vapor]

OMG
jwtatawttjtwaw

wheres john webdev

lumi

[restive turret]

Ye was there when i seen the fix

[upper vapor]

@magic gate thank you

[hearty shard]

johnathon

[hearty shard]

bad webdev

[upper vapor]

still no note syntax...

[upper vapor]

let's find an XSS attack vector

[stuck peak]

not making a github workflow that does it all for you

[hearty shard]

effort

[stuck peak]

[restive turret]

I have a template so

You have to make it once

[upper vapor]

what if you published a github action

[restive turret]

Also x3rt what do you think if you could create a labapi plugin with dotnet new command

[upper vapor]

never™

[stuck peak]

what?

I have a plugin template on nuget if you want but it's CT specific

[upper vapor]

i wanted to make templates but figured i wouldn't cuz i don't wanna put in effort if it won't get merged anyway

[restive turret]

You can create a dotnet templates and it works with dotnet new command, have to check VS and Rider for that

[stuck peak]

oh you mean in the repo

hm

I know

https://www.nuget.org/packages/x3rt.Chaos.Templates/#readme-body-tab

[restive turret]

Oh

:sob;

[stuck peak]

hm?

[restive turret]

But ye could be in the labapi repo itself

[stuck peak]

maybe yea

[upper vapor]

templates repo is private

:(

we should absolutely have multi-project templates too

would probably get more people to learn about MSBuild

[restive turret]

Wdym by that

[upper vapor]

IDEs aren't very smart when it comes to customizing the build pipeline

[restive turret]

With props?

[upper vapor]

yea

[stuck peak]

yeah there is a props file but it's not included in the template

[restive turret]

What would the creation be?
labapi-multiple

[upper vapor]

something like that i guess

[restive turret]

I create a pr and see

You can test locally to i guess

[stuck peak]

would probably be a seperate repo

usually are

[restive turret]

So i have to convince Jesus?

Or who exactly

Beryl?

[stuck peak]

could make a github issue about it

then it's easier to keep track of and keep discussions contained

[restive turret]

Ya sure, i already have a template for it that i edited

[stuck peak]

I didn't mean make a PR but just a Idea issue

[restive turret]

So i can just link that

[stuck peak]

yeah it has a few other things

[restive turret]

I seen Jesus closed some since he said it's on internal place decided to do try to add it or something

But ye i powering up my pc

My ear got better

[upper vapor]

let's make a draft PR for templates i guess

[restive turret]

It's on my repo so you can track changes

@upper vapor https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/278

[slate flume]

Can we completely redo LabAPI I think it's cooked

[restive turret]

lel why

[stuck peak]

where was this btw?

[icy knoll]

why?

i think it’s good

[warped prairie]

delete all of SL. gg

delete system 32

[stuck peak]

[icy knoll]

wouldn’t have applied for api maintainer if i didn’t :3

[stuck peak]

now you just need to apply to a few more roles so you are in every department

[icy knoll]

well, i’ll be similar roles to you if i get accepted

web dev and api maintainer

[stuck peak]

I'm the only webdev that deals with all the laravel shit

[celest thorn]

you are web dev????

[stuck peak]

[celest thorn]

bro can nw make better roles

[icy knoll]

well php fuckin sucks 😭

[celest thorn]

i still don't understand who does what

[celest thorn]

I agree with you

[stuck peak]

nuxt next lext schnext mext all suck

[celest thorn]

Next sucks ass

but i use it

[stuck peak]

js frameworks just suck

I love my slow v-dom slop and npm slop

[icy knoll]

me when the framework i use doesn’t have a v dom and uses a compiler :3

[restive turret]

Me when i dont use any

[stuck peak]

yeah but you are still writing js

[icy knoll]

i don’t mind writing it tbh

[stuck peak]

it's horrible to maintain is the issue

[restive turret]

What if i write blazor/razor?

[stuck peak]

blazor is great

[icy knoll]

not really? if you understand java/typescript enough you can maintain a good code base

[stuck peak]

identity sucks ass but if you work around it (i.e don't use any of the regular identity/claims etc it's fine)

[icy knoll]

like i’m good at maintaining code bases because im practically fluent in js/ts

i only use ts now tho

[stuck peak]

no what I mean is that a lot of the time other people write sloppy js because js allows for dumb shit

[restive turret]

[] === 0

[stuck peak]

Yeah because it's only your own code I imagine

[icy knoll]

ohhh, yeah i’m not an idiot, i don’t write bad js

[icy knoll]

nah i work in web dev as my irl job

we only use TS

and my colleague is shit with js/ts

mf uses any wherever possible

pisses me off but whatever

[celest thorn]

Guys will we ever get to stage 3?

[restive turret]

74 years

[celest thorn]

Crazy

[restive turret]

Like you

[celest thorn]

aw thank you

:3

[restive turret]

I meant like

Nvm

[celest thorn]

I know im crazy

[stuck peak]

yeah like the comments on the patreon portal me

[celest thorn]

I will never give my money to nw

im sorry

[stuck peak]

you can still look at the portal and public posts lol

[celest thorn]

I know but still i will never open that website because i never gave money to nw

[stuck peak]

...?

[restive turret]

Did you got a reply mail?
I think the job list announcing was too early since most of them now busy still fixing 14.1.4 :D

[harsh thorn]

all the cool NW sites that are in laravel are also the internal sites

[stuck peak]

I hate it here

[restive turret]

Gitlab isn't

[celest thorn]

PHP

no

please

;(

[icy knoll]

yeah i got told my app has been sent to jesus

so i’m waiting for the response to that next :3

[restive turret]

Same, Jesus being busy as always

[hearty shard]

r u old

[celest thorn]

older than you and me

[restive turret]

I was gonna say older than you but idk how long are you on this world

I think even with your bday today I ams still older than you

[slate flume]

You joined the SODA servers and I started asking you for some pointers on coding and things

[stuck peak]

oh that's where

[celest thorn]

We played yesterday on SODA me and maro

didn't know it was your server

[restive turret]

Wtf is soda

[slate flume]

Yeah the plugin isn't updated yet 0_0

[hearty shard]

a drink?

[slate flume]

I've been in Europe

[restive turret]

Guh

[hearty shard]

[slate flume]

I'm sitting at a bar drinking

I plan to update the servers later

[restive turret]

I was gonna say that

Try every flavor

[hearty shard]

average dev

[restive turret]

County btw

[hearty shard]

going to a bar instead of working

[slate flume]

I'm going down the cocktail menu

I just had an old fashioned for the first time

It was meh

[celest thorn]

never drunk again

[slate flume]

Anyways @celest thorn you might enjoy playing on the server more tomorrow, I plan to update the plugin tonight and fix the ongoing issues

I'm surprised at how large the community has gotten

[celest thorn]

@slender lynx found the server to play tonight

[slate flume]

We're over 100 members now

• 1000

Dorry

[celest thorn]

Idk we found the server randomly

[slate flume]

I'm a little drunk

[celest thorn]

Don't worry

have fun

[slate flume]

Yeah that tends to be the way people find ut

We have some really loyal community members that have helped me tremendously

[celest thorn]

just a thing i have a complain about its just WHY the message when you join overlaps with everything

[restive turret]

you still did not answered what country are you in

[celest thorn]

Italy

the guy is in italy

[slate flume]

Because I've been too lazy to fix it

[restive turret]

ah

[slate flume]

It was high priority on my list

[restive turret]

i dont know any drink there so

[slate flume]

But I haven't fixed it yet cause I went on vacation

[slender lynx]

what server

[celest thorn]

You get vactions?

[celest thorn]

SODA

this guy is the dev

[slate flume]

Yeah we have LOA forums and I took the first LOA I've ever taken

[slender lynx]

i played that server and got exploded by a zombie

too confusing for me

[celest thorn]

Yea

[slate flume]

LMAO

Fire

[slender lynx]

im too old for heavily modded

[slate flume]

Yeah I'm doing a rework for those

[slender lynx]

i dont understand it

[upper vapor]

i agree

[slate flume]

I have a whole document full of reworks and implementations I'm planning on

[upper vapor]

FINALLY
someone

[slate flume]

Including the exploding zombie, some other variants and things

[celest thorn]

https://www.aftermathservers.com/

Yo maro now you can sing up for tourneys kinda forgot until now, it took me 2 seconds to add

[slender lynx]

alr cool

[slate flume]

But yeah @celest thorn if you're on the SODA servers I'm making an announcement later when I finish the new updates

[upper vapor]

at least it's not plain php without frameworks

[celest thorn]

nah im not we just go on random servers, play and leave

[slate flume]

Entirely fair I don't blame you

I don't play SL much but when I do I do the same thing

I'm just happy someone else learned about the server I dev for

[celest thorn]

ngl i play SL only when maro or someone else plays

else is boring

[slate flume]

It's nice knowing my work has a large impact

[slate flume]

Real AF

I haven't played much these past months

You really need some guys to play with

[celest thorn]

Don't worry i figured out mine like 2 days ago

[restive turret]

whne the frame works?

[stuck peak]

actually there are a lot of times where I wish it was

[upper vapor]

what

[magic gate]

What syntax?

[magic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[upper vapor]

> [!IMPORTANT]
> Among us

this syntax

[magic gate]

sus

So like alert?

[upper vapor]

pretty muzch yeah

the github-flavored markdown stuff

[hearty shard]

!TIP
!IHATEYOUALL

!WARNING

[magic gate]

I’ll take a look

[upper vapor]

would be epic

[restive turret]

<script alert(1) />

[cedar jungle]

lmaoo

dexter morgan reference?

[unique crane]

I say that too

):

[upper vapor]

when

nice

i might have forgor

i forg

[unique crane]

Since you first mentioned it

[stuck peak]

david likes blazor?

[slate flume]

@unique crane why

[restive turret]

what why

[slate flume]

why

[restive turret]

why

[slate flume]

@upper vapor why

[upper vapor]

REAL

[upper vapor]

it's pretty good

i get the benefits of C# and .NET

[restive turret]

and webassembly

[icy knoll]

it’s only good when you remember to optimise

but that’s the same with every framework

but doesn’t blazor require you to download stuff on client cold start?

[upper vapor]

blazor wasm does, blazor server runs on the server (crazy)

[icy knoll]

ohhhh

i thought asp.net was the only thing on the server, not blazor (non-wasm)

[upper vapor]

if using blazor server you can mix & match interaction modes
wasm modules only have to be downloaded when a component is client-interactable

[spare zodiac]

I was working on a project to make Blazor but whole page would be made with C#, no html, no css, but I'm currently stuck at js part

[upper vapor]

why would you do that

[spare zodiac]

because I believe using C# for css would be easier

[upper vapor]

[spare zodiac]

even for html

if I remake everything I will learn everything

[upper vapor]

there's no way C# would make it easier to declare a DOM

[restive turret]

xml?

[spare zodiac]

wdym by DOM?

[upper vapor]

fun fact yeah slejm is right

xml

use avalonia

[spare zodiac]

could you explain what you mean by XML

[upper vapor]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document_Object_Model

[upper vapor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML

to use as markup

instead of C#

cuz there's no way that C# would be more concise

[spare zodiac]

I believe otherwise

[upper vapor]

you wanna new Div(new Div(new Div(), new Div(new Div(new Label("text"))))?

[restive turret]

[upper vapor]

sorry

not Label

it's Span

[restive turret]

but you cannot use span

[upper vapor]

why

[restive turret]

cus already declared

[upper vapor]

System.Span is generic

[restive turret]

ambigous

[spare zodiac]

also wouldn't it be easier to instead of making C# to js then otherwise make it into ts

[upper vapor]

what

[restive turret]

NO

[upper vapor]

Blazor doesn't transpile C# to JS

if that's what you meant

[spare zodiac]

it does to webassembly I know

[upper vapor]

yeah then what are we doing with JS

interop?

[restive turret]

intel?

[spare zodiac]

but from speaking to ChatGPT I learned that webassembly has some limitations

[spare zodiac]

tbh I still have no clue

[restive turret]

same when you do NAOT

[spare zodiac]

naot?

[restive turret]

native aot

[upper vapor]

nativeAOT

[restive turret]

ahead-of-time

[upper vapor]

ye

[upper vapor]

you wanna call JS from C#, yeah that makes sense
but when you introduce typescript
all hell breaks loose

besides, JSDoc exists

[spare zodiac]

ts already have more things implemented then javascript thougj

[hearty shard]

is this chat being nerdy

yuck

Talk about sandwiches

[spare zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1407799226477445193/1411391785887858888/attachment.gif

[upper vapor]

yeah but how are you gonna bind to the geenrated typescript methods (not everything TS->JS maps 1:1)

at the end of the day, you have to compile your typescript

[spare zodiac]

right now with blazor why would you make website in it?

[upper vapor]

real-time applications

[icy knoll]

typescript is better than jsdoc

[icy knoll]

you can do that with any good framework tho, not just blazor

[limber silo]

do not

just learn js/ts

[spare zodiac]

could I hear some opinion from you?

[icy knoll]

real

[limber silo]

I have developed multiple websites with blazor years ago

there are no advantages that blazor gives you

other than being able to use c#

[hearty shard]

jesus....

[icy knoll]

it didn’t take me that long to learn js at all, and my c# knowledge made my ts knowledge leap through the roof

[hearty shard]

ur betraying blazor..

[spare zodiac]

there are only disadvantages right?

[limber silo]

well it is slow, hard to implement features on the clientside, you will end up needing javascript anyways in a lot of cases...

it is just not worth it

[restive turret]

easy jsut dont do websites

[hearty shard]

so true

make jesus do it for you

[spare zodiac]

fuck websites

[hearty shard]

Jesus when r u making a website for me thanks

[limber silo]

I prefer people using php than blazor

[hearty shard]

Ewww

[spare zodiac]

what are some other alternatives then php?

[hearty shard]

JavaScript

[unique crane]

Its time to address the php in the room

[hearty shard]

Time to address

Add ress

Whos ress

[restive turret]

at this point write a better web system that doesnt need js

[hearty shard]

slime boy

Can u guess what

[restive turret]

chicken butt

[spare zodiac]

and make my own google

[hearty shard]

Thats not nice

u made me forget my statement :(

[restive turret]

:PPPP

[spare zodiac]

I'm eating chineese soup without water

[unique crane]

skill issue

[harsh thorn]

asp.net has like 5 different "modes"

controllers
litterally just a request handler
MVC
controllers that return a "view" which controls your content, kinda like how laravel works, but with proper types and not magic vars (i hate magic vars)
razor pages
its kinda a mix of MVC but instead of controllers theres just a OnPageLoaded or something, never used it
blazor server
browser has a WS connection to the server, server tells it what to render, slow on high latency and if the server dies so does your session
blazor WASM
server just serves the wasm app, interacts with normal http api (or well, whatever you make your code do)

Theres also newer methods now iirc, theres like blazor hybrid
where itl for example do SSR until you press a button that does logic then it starts up the interactive WS connection

or specific views are server only, some client, etc
some also run serverside until the webassembly is downloaded
havent looked too much into it

[upper vapor]

there's also minimal apis
less boilerplate, aot-ready

[harsh thorn]

you have app.use or app.map

[icy knoll]

aot? attack on titan reference?

[upper vapor]

😭

[harsh thorn]

but i prefer doing controllers even for small things, just seems more oganized

[upper vapor]

fair, though it is somewhat slower

[harsh thorn]

is it?

not sure what the diference is between doing app.map or just mapping controllers

in the end it just maps to a method

[upper vapor]

reflection

[harsh thorn]

i thought it does that once on startup

and not every request

either way its not super slow so i dont really care that much

theres also a gazillion ways you can do things inside of controllers

making everything a service, repository, whatever
or simply having the code in the controller method

[upper vapor]

yeah it does that on startup when you call MapControllers

if you really need performance, gotta go with AOT, that means no controllers

[harsh thorn]

tbh if you need crazy performance like that where the fact that theres reflection starts im not sure if its the right framework

[upper vapor]

why do people make a repository, too...
like service -> repository -> database

[harsh thorn]

im not entirely sure

imo the service and repository can be combined

[upper vapor]

i'm NOT using node.js 😭

[upper vapor]

yeah

[harsh thorn]

golang for speed

[upper vapor]

right

mb

[harsh thorn]

but i think it might be so people can use the logic from the repositories in multiple services

or something

cuz you cant circulate references of 2 services

welll i mean you can

but not with DI

[upper vapor]

true...

though

at that point
inject the service

[harsh thorn]

but i suppose you could solve that issue by just planning out your services in a way you dont need to do circulatory references

[upper vapor]

right
circular references
i forgor

[harsh thorn]

singleton

(im joking)

[upper vapor]

❌ singleton
✅ static class

[harsh thorn]

but then you cant use DI to inject things into it

[upper vapor]

that's the point

[harsh thorn]

fuckass dbcontext

(i love EF core)

[upper vapor]

we got a problem with EF?

[harsh thorn]

it can be annoying at times

maybe skill issue, maybe not

[upper vapor]

i love breaking the database