plugins-dev-chat

[upper vapor]

you define it in the loop declaration

[icy knoll]

tbh, i just go for easier to read and quick

i doubt there is even the smallest slowdown using foreach over for in most cases

makes it easier to read anyway

[unique crane]

For loop fans when Hashset walks in

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-shane-mcmahon-wcw-nitro-wwe-wf-gif-23783080

[upper vapor]

xd

ElementAt

sobbing

[unique crane]

Thats literally foreach

[upper vapor]

ehhh

[icy knoll]

also

found smth weird today

Player::UserGroup can't be equal to ServerStatic.PermissionsHandler.GetGroup(name)

for some odd reason

you have to compare the names 😭

[unique crane]

I think that new UserGroup gets created on assignment?

with just like a copy

properties

[upper vapor]

i was looking at master

[icy knoll]

probably

[unique crane]

And is dev any better?

[icy knoll]

maybe add an implicit operator and an Equals method to compare the names instead?

[upper vapor]

yes

[unique crane]

Get group calls .Clone()

but why

[icy knoll]

idk

but yeah

i think the implicit operator with the Equals method would just be better

lol

easier than figuring out why that is done

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

Looking at PermissionsHandler

I think best option would be to

Ctrl a

[restive turret]

To not be able to edit the original group

[unique crane]

delete

[upper vapor]

xddddd

[unique crane]

(joke ofc)

Maybe someone nice will rewrite it in the future

[upper vapor]

i would rewrite it

but at that point i'll rewrite labapi perms too

[icy knoll]

ax

let's be for real rn

you'd rewrite the whole game

[upper vapor]

trueing

[unique crane]

You would quickly realise that is NOT happening

[upper vapor]

what's not happening

[unique crane]

Like I was just thinking yesterday

"hmm lets refactor decontamination a bit"

[harsh thorn]

tbf technically the game is being rewritten one update at a time

[unique crane]

Yea

[upper vapor]

when CustomNetworkManager update

[harsh thorn]

everytime someone touches 2017 code and need to change it for something that it just cant support, it gets rewritten

[upper vapor]

decontamination was changed to support disabling but it's uh
kinda weird still

[harsh thorn]

thn it wasnt bad enough to the point where it had to be killed

[upper vapor]

yeah

[unique crane]

What would you like to see for decontamination

[upper vapor]

better uh

scenario or whatever

[unique crane]

wdym

[upper vapor]

optoin to disable the announcementú

like the uh

announcements could be triggered by the server instead of being client bound

[unique crane]

I would love to support custom time announcements

but they are kinda hardcoded into the audio

[upper vapor]

that's fine

just let the server decide when to play them instead of this

whatever we have currently

[unique crane]

Yea why not

[upper vapor]

decontamination pausing doesn't work properly on the client

[unique crane]

Ik

[restive turret]

Then fix it

[upper vapor]

let's make everything server-side so zero can make it client-side again

[celest thorn]

I love making client side stuff

And not knowing what is going on

[random scaffold]

!status

[regal lake]

https://status.scpslgame.com

[random scaffold]

bruh

[restive turret]

Skill issue

[tulip kiln]

Do we need to sync scale by ourselves for new players? Sometimes a new player will se a (0.5, 0.5, 0.5) player as their full size equivalent, just in the ground. Sometimes players also just retain their old scale despite me setting it to (1, 1, 1) through the Player wrapper.

[random scaffold]

nw skill issue

[random scaffold]

sp

[tulip kiln]

sp?

[random scaffold]

sp

[restive turret]

Ye that happens to our server too

[unique crane]

Bug with the new rolesync

as it just ignores the message if the player's role is not fpc sync

Already got fix for it and it will hopefully make it in the hotfix

[restive turret]

Thanks, I waiting for that hotfix

Hopefully it will be hot

And actually fixing stuff

[harsh thorn]

go to tech support, its an issue with the library for webrequests
we need people that can reproduce the issue so we can make bugreports for the library and test what the issue actually is

[tepid sluice]

btw the issue that using webrequests for http request makes players lag

ig smth blocked main thead?

[harsh thorn]

possibly, but webrequests dont really occur on the main thread

so thats a bit weird

server makes them on 2 other threads

and so do clients

[tepid sluice]

u could try it urslef

[harsh thorn]

i am busy

if its an issue consider making a bugreport

[tepid sluice]

okay

[restive turret]

I don't have this issue so

[tepid sluice]

nope i mean use -- --unity-web-request as start args

that will make server use unitywebrequest for http request

[fresh zenith]

hey uh how do i get the time until chaos/mtf spawns?

[upper vapor]

WaveManager

[icy knoll]

ok so did some testing....... OnBeforePlayerDestroyed in ReferenceHub is infact called before setting the players role to destroyed... but it's after setting to spectator so now i don't really know what to do... (fyi for the people unaware, i need an event to track when the person leaves the server, but before they turn into spectator or destroyed as i need their information before that, like health and position)

what method should i patch? as i dont think ima find an event...

[restive turret]

Changing role?

[icy knoll]

would reason be that the user is disconnecting or smth?

[upper vapor]

CustomNetworkManager::OnServerDisconnect

[restive turret]

If the target role is being destroyed well you can get their stuff

[icy knoll]

and that's called before the user's roles change?

[upper vapor]

yes

that kills the player

[fresh zenith]

and how exactly if you had an code example on your hand rq?

[icy knoll]

roles go from ur current role to spectator to destroyed, so it's hard to track with changing roles

[icy knoll]

okie cool, thanks ax

[restive turret]

Ah, uh

[upper vapor]

check #1385288384070815835

[upper vapor]

np

still can't believe how we don't have something actually usable for this

[icy knoll]

@unique crane

[unique crane]

what

[upper vapor]

off to issues

[icy knoll]

true

too lazy tho

[unique crane]

what

[icy knoll]

.

[upper vapor]

poggies

[icy knoll]

.

[unique crane]

Waiting fix pr dw

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[icy knoll]

god damnit gotta do a transpiler for this i think

[upper vapor]

yyyyeeaaaaaa

[icy knoll]

just Advance by -1 before here

simple as

[upper vapor]

it will break shit though

like

[icy knoll]

wdym

[upper vapor]

exiled does this already

and other plugins perhaps

[icy knoll]

how will that break shit tho?

[upper vapor]

like either your transpiler won't work or the other transpilers won't work

cuz

conflict

[restive turret]

Just dont care about it

[upper vapor]

[icy knoll]

well

im doing this to remove exiled totally from my server

so who gives a fuck

[upper vapor]

ohhhh

[icy knoll]

yeah lol

[unique crane]

Cant you just like

Subscribe to on role change

[icy knoll]

as i said

[unique crane]

And check for RoleChangeReason to Destroyed

[icy knoll]

no

because

OnServerDisconnect gives the reason Unknown

which sets to spectator

and then spectator to destroyed has the reason Destroyed

[icy knoll]

anyone know why this might not be working? im looping through the new codes from the codematcher and nothing has changed, my IL hasn't been added...

[upper vapor]

why do you match the whole statement 😭

you have a ldsfld

with no field

does that match?

[icy knoll]

idk lol

[icy knoll]

i thought i had to do that!

can I just shorten it down to the Callvirt then?

[upper vapor]

yeah

[icy knoll]

okie ill do that after a bit of cyberpeak :3

ty ax

[icy knoll]

uh, this is the resulting output...

which i dont think is right?

wait

Advance back

okie

[restive turret]

Huh

[fresh zenith]

how do i send more than 1 hint at the same time? like uh how do i make 2 differant hints which show at the same time but at different positions?

[upper vapor]

use RueI or HSM

[random scaffold]

make your own system

its easy way

[fresh zenith]

thx

[true cedar]

what

i would not call that the easy way

[restive turret]

just dont do hints

thats more easy way

[thin shuttle]

You really don't need that much of check

[warped prairie]

Hey. Quick question. How versatile is the 106 pocket dimention work. Like is it possible to get the correct door needed to escape?

[unique crane]

Absolutely

[thin shuttle]

yes

[warped prairie]

Veryyyyyy interesting

[thin shuttle]

PocketDimensionTeleport.PDTeleportType

[warped prairie]

This will be noted. Ty

[thin shuttle]

PocketDimensionTeleport.AllInstances

[unique crane]

You can use our pocket dimension wrapper

PocketDimension

PocketDimension.PocketTeleports

There is get/set property IsExit

[thin shuttle]

why nw use Enum for it ?

[unique crane]

Why do you ask me about 2017 code 😭

[thin shuttle]

why should i not ask

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812737440866369548.webp?size=48&name=trolling

[unique crane]

Idk

[thin shuttle]

i made hubert modify this code to implement the PocketDimensionTeleport.AllInstances

[restive turret]

ye you should use byte to yknow uint256

[thin shuttle]

because they was still doing last year an GameObject.Finds<PocketDimensionTeleport>()

actually it's int

but we could technically do custom escape

with that

(PDTeleportType)3

and implement your new stuff

to it

actually Yeah

new if (this._type == 3)

[restive turret]

DebugBool

[thin shuttle]

that pddebug command

[icy knoll]

i did it because if I do MatchStartForward, it will put the index at the start of the match, if I just did Callvirt it would put the index before the callvirt... but i found it easier to just .Advance(-6) and it worked lol

[thin shuttle]

i found easier to work with Index

[warped prairie]

The goat ty

[true cedar]

might be using the wrong constructor

[icy knoll]

it's fine now dw

[celest thorn]

btw must say the game im playing rn is good but fight are dogshit (the category is a bit dogshit i must say) but story wise really good im loving it (rn im at the start of chapter 4 after 4.30h of gameplay but i had some bugs and needed to restart so like 20/30 minutes cannot be counted to the main run i was doing)

[ashen hound]

I hate networking xd

[unique crane]

@celest thorn Will surely join you

[restive turret]

I was wanted to do the same

[ashen hound]

I see what happens... its stupid becuase its doing same thing twice

while serialize of syncvars when theres like TextToy class it uses AdminToyBase soo what happens its writing...```
AdminToyBase
writer.WriteULong(base.syncVarDirtyBits);
TextToy
writer.WriteULong(base.syncVarDirtyBits);

twice lol

[restive turret]

Yes

Ax, me fixed it on my thing, and zero has his own implementation of it too

That mirror for u

:P

[ashen hound]

thats my fix lol

its not even scpsl server its proxy atm

[restive turret]

Huh

What you doing with that proxy

[ashen hound]

currently making lobby

[restive turret]

And dont you have the full src of the client and server

[ashen hound]

its standalone app running .net 9

0 unity

[restive turret]

Well, you could do some stuff since many just spawning and doing messages but

How would you handle moving on objects

Trusting client fully?

[ashen hound]

Its only for purpose of lobby I not making like way to play with multiple players

this will use normal sl server but proxied when playing with multiple

[restive turret]

What

[ashen hound]

Its fake server with only you being connected

and thats like whole thing required to make this

[restive turret]

Ah

And probably it says where you gonna move

[ashen hound]

I want to add like portals but still I need to fix receiving position from client

[restive turret]

I mean as pocket exit

Ye position is a bit funny let just say

[slow delta]

914 SEEMS TO BE THE CAUSE OF CARD DUPLICATION

[restive turret]

Known

Happens to our own server, and others too

[slow delta]

I can swear that since the 14.1.3 update, players on my server started reporting a drop of cards out of nowhere at the beginning of the game, and I can swear that every time 914 finished his improvement process, he generated more, I even recorded it, but when it was going to happen, he stopped duplicating cards

[restive turret]

Ye it randomly appearing most of stuff i seen was in heavy or in random players feet

[worn gull]

What can I do with CustomDataStore?

[restive turret]

Good stuff

I use it for doing special effects to players

For example my custom role is basically a DataStore that contains function that uses the parsed yml to do things

[worn gull]

Ah okay thanks

[restive turret]

Since you have the player you can basically do anything you want with the player there

[worn gull]

So for example if I make a storage where every 5 sec there will be a hint and if I add that storage to a player then only that player will get that hint every 5 sec.

[restive turret]

Ye, but you have to do some sort of starter mechanism (like just a Start function in there)

[worn gull]

Okay, thanks 😄

[restive turret]

Ye we use datastore for some of our custom roles and its great, the initial making was headache and made me hate it but after fixing the spawn issue (players didn't registered their custom storage) I cleaned up some stuff and its easy and great

[worn gull]

I'm trying to make a custom role too 😄

[restive turret]

32 of our custom role has datastore (out of idk, 100?)

[worn gull]

👀

[hearty shard]

Moment

Personally i store stuff in the custom role

[restive turret]

Datastore is pretty good

[hearty shard]

for me just bool issocool; works fine

[restive turret]

Its an extension for it, most of it just extra things that doesn't need to be handled inside

[hearty shard]

Like what

[restive turret]

Every X minute you get effect

You don't need to have that for every role

Only like what you choose to be

Or after X hit you spawn a grenade for example

Not really needed to code that inside the core

[worn gull]

Like a disk which you can put into the players and remove it?

[ashen hound]

ngl that server switching is fast lol when properly done

[barren pasture]

What is the event for 079 pinging?

[worn gull]

OnScp079Pinging

[barren pasture]

Where is that?

[worn gull]

LabApi.Events.Handlers.Scp079Events.Pinging

[barren pasture]

Doesn't exist

[worn gull]

Huh

Did you referenced LabApi or installed the Northwood.LabApi NuGet?

[barren pasture]

I was in the wrong labapi version mb

[rugged laurel]

damn i thought this was just a my server issue

[pallid galleon]

Same here lol, been driving me nuts

[swift nexus]

@rugged laurel feel free to ping any member of QA management (me, banzai, or multiverse), if you have questions about bugs that pop up

whoops

@pallid galleon

[pallid galleon]

I just assume a lot of stuff is an us issue, then by the time it starts getting annoying usually someone in here posts or it's fixed 😛

this is pretty neat though

[true cedar]

skill issue

[pallid galleon]

[warped prairie]

Truly a skill issue ngl

that guys just really bad at the game

[pallid galleon]

You made the classic blunder of going down in an up elevator

[warped prairie]

yep my fault. i wont do that next time

[swift nexus]

can you ask them for player logs?

most of the clips I've seen of this issue are spectators, interesting to see it happens to live players as well

did you add any custom waypoints?

[pallid galleon]

From this guy here @warped prairie

And we got no custom waypoints

[warped prairie]

Hai

[pallid galleon]

It's taken from a modded server though, but I don't think the player has any scale changes applied to them

[warped prairie]

it is possible a scale application happened. previous custom role on spawning, but last i checked it was disabled being worked on

[spare zodiac]

any custom doors?

[keen halo]

It seems like even when you set the cassie messages isHeld: false it still waits the 3 seconds

And it makes me angry

[slate flume]

If you want pauses between Cassie messages just add yields to it

Like with a respawn wave

[keen halo]

I don't want pauses

That's why I set the isHeld to false

and it still waits 3 seconds >:(

[slate flume]

Well why do you not need pauses

Why are you sending messages in quick succession

[keen halo]

Becuse I want it to say a couple messages quickly

[keen halo]

Cuz I wanna

[slate flume]

You can make breaks between messages without making them actual entire separate announcements

[keen halo]

They are generated messages.

[slate flume]

Yeah, and?

[keen halo]

Its just a pain in the ass when the isHeld could just ya know work.

[slate flume]

True because it deviates from what you wanted but I would say the process of
Generate messages -> combine them into one announcement -> send isn't too much more difficult than
Generate messages -> send as separate announcements

A lot of things are really buggy and don't work but the beauty is finding as way around it

Or something like that idk I'm tired

[keen halo]

Lmfao, I mean

Suuuuuuure

But like

Plz fix papa northwood

[restive turret]

Never

[slate flume]

If you have bugs, throw it in the LabAPI requests
They actually tend to be pretty good at addressing a lot of them

[true cedar]

the story of sl dev

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[thin shuttle]

Oh that could be the reason but that would affect all the players right ?

[swift nexus]

I'm not sure tbh, that's more of a question for riptide

[thin shuttle]

Yeah

[celest thorn]

I was sleeping

[safe robin]

Does the shotgun choke & extended barrel have the incorrect text?

[unique crane]

Bugreports channel please

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-kid-jumpscare-kid-heart-attack-gif-12535254628037896885

[restive turret]

Create one

[unique crane]

https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1375566570260009071

xd

[upper vapor]

❌ join the qa server
✅ make a labapi bug report
-#

[restive turret]

#unknown

[unique crane]

Tf you mean

thats bug report in #1266667711573000212

[restive turret]

Nah thats unknown

I dont know where it leads me

[unique crane]

information

bug report

[restive turret]

I don't have bugs

Only little happy uncertain features

[celest thorn]

hangout today is so lonely

[restive turret]

Cus I'm at work

[celest thorn]

im just streaming a game

[restive turret]

A Roblox game

[celest thorn]

No a nintendo switch game

[upper vapor]

not a nw game

[restive turret]

Then I'm not interested either

[celest thorn]

Honestly i must say this game is fun for the story not gameplay lol

[upper vapor]

normalize doing labapi stuff in labapi hangout without people joining for 2 seconds then leaving

[restive turret]

Huh

Normalize doing labapi staff??

[upper vapor]

UHHHHH

stuff

[celest thorn]

Someone just did it

[upper vapor]

😭

[upper vapor]

the hungyarian alphabet kicked in for a sec

[restive turret]

[celest thorn]

Im going to scream

this boss is too high level

and i farmed for 4 hours

(8h rn)

[restive turret]

Ok

[worn gull]

Hi! Is it possible to make a Window not to be damaged by SCPs

[upper vapor]

playerdamagingwindow event?

[worn gull]

Thanks

[upper vapor]

np

[restive turret]

110 euro / question

[random scaffold]

109 euro / answer

[random scaffold]

how to fix

[restive turret]

Never happened to me

Seems to be skill issue

[harsh thorn]

Verify files

[random scaffold]

how i can do it in pterodactyl panel

without reinstall

[hearty shard]

reinstall

[hearty shard]

whats the issue w the reinstall button

[random scaffold]

save configs and other

[hearty shard]

it doesnt delete configs though

unless you have a custom egg that does that

unless ur modifying configs directly through assembly csharp dll youd be fine

every server running ptero does this to update between versions of the game

[plain gazelle]

If i would fake sync an interactable toys position far away, would the person who sees it still be able to interact with it and call the toys' events, or would it be caught/denied by some anticheat or anything

[upper vapor]

they also use a standard verification rule, ~3m

btw you can just set islocked

[restive turret]

Probably client side you can interact but server doesn't do anything

[upper vapor]

yeah slejm is right

if it's there for the server then it'll check the server thing

i'd fake sync IsLocked instead and check if that client has IsLocked on the server (store in a set)

[restive turret]

You can always try it i guess

[upper vapor]

try a hacked client

[restive turret]

Nah use David's client

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[fresh zenith]

how can i reset the players scale?

[upper vapor]

player.Scale = Vector3.one

[fresh zenith]

and for what is Normalize?=

[upper vapor]

you don't need that here

vector.normalized gives you a vector pointing in the same direction with a magnitude (length) of 1

[fresh zenith]

oh k thanks good to know.

[upper vapor]

np

[undone jacinth]

While we're talking about scale, is it a known bug that the ragdoll spawns at scale 1, 1, 1 even when the player isn't that scale?

[upper vapor]

that's not really a bug, that's expected
ragdolls don't have player scale mirroring

[unique crane]

Ragdolls do not match players size as they look weird when scaled

Intended behavior

[undone jacinth]

Is there a way I can scale the ragdoll

[grand flower]

don't think so

wouldn't be networked to clients

[upper vapor]

yes

[grand flower]

huh

[upper vapor]

change it before NetworkServer.Spawn in RagdollManager.SpawnRagdolls

[upper vapor]

basic mirror

[undone jacinth]

Okay, that's what I tried. What am I doing wrong?

[upper vapor]

1. which event is this in
2. what is the player's role

[undone jacinth]

OnPlayerDeath, ClassD

[upper vapor]

OnPlayerDeath
by this time the player is dead so their role is spectator

[grand flower]

right forgot it sent scale on spawn

sweet

[upper vapor]

also labapi has a scale parameter for this even though it's not really supported...?

[grand flower]

nw moment

[undone jacinth]

So should I put this in OnPlayerDying?

[upper vapor]

isn't there a ragdoll spawning event

[undone jacinth]

I'll try

[unique crane]

???

[undone jacinth]

kinda worked. Got a lil bit of body horror going on with the ragdolls now lol

[unique crane]

Wdym not really supported

[upper vapor]

you just said it

they look weird when scaled

Intended behavior
so it doesn't shit itself

right?

or am i twittering

[unique crane]

well yea

they dont scale the way you would expect

and nor did I when I did it

[upper vapor]

oh was it the uh
there was a bug report with some objects not having a default scale of one
yamato did it
was it with ragdolls? i forgor

[unique crane]

Yea

049 has default of like 0.42 or something

So 1,1,1 makes it hugeeeeeee

But yea im not gonna spend time on it now

[upper vapor]

i thuoght that was fixed

[unique crane]

I dont think so

[hearty shard]

multiply the ragdoll size by the player size

ez

[fresh zenith]

how long does it exactly take until you spawn from an wave? like how long is the time between it blinks and then you actually spawn?

[upper vapor]

check the wave's animation time

IAnimatedWave

though the labapi wrappers probably include them already

[unique crane]

I think it does..

let me check

It does

[fresh zenith]

k

[hearty shard]

What if instead of wrappers you made basegame perfect so wrappers wouldnt be needed

🙄

[unique crane]

Oh right game would be SO much managable if we had everything in a single network behavior

[hearty shard]

Someone gets it

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-gif-24903806

[hearty shard]

You should have 1 class for the entire game

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/alan-becker-stickman-punch-funny-me-when-i-get-you-gif-11320954746752941682

is this what you meant

[hearty shard]

Oh..

[upper vapor]

punch strength multiplier

[unique crane]

Hello everybody my name is multiplier

[upper vapor]

ohohohooo you're so portuguese

[unique crane]

Lets stay at the multiplier and never go beyond that

[upper vapor]

eh fair

can we get a synced movement speed multiplier :3

[unique crane]

My best creation is still this

Server activity

[upper vapor]

mark bot

[unique crane]

with markiplier gif

[upper vapor]

peak

[unique crane]

based off that

[upper vapor]

this reminds me of something hungarian

can't say it here though cuz it's kinda political :(

[unique crane]

gg

You can in dms if you want

[restive turret]

Yes

So you could fakesync everything

[icy knoll]

deleted exiled off of my server

[restive turret]

[mild walrus]

I’m trying to create a lobby overlay using hints. The problem is that the hint system seems to only allow one active hint per player.
If I send a hint for the server title, then another for the round info, the second one replaces the first instead of displaying both.
This forces me to combine all my text into a single hint, but then <align>, <line-height>, and padding changes affect the whole overlay at once, making it impossible to position each block independently.

Does anyone know of a way to position the text separately? For example: Round information on the left, vertically centered at the height of the square that indicates the number of players on the server.

[slate flume]

You can either use unity rich text tags, or use a hint manager

[hearty shard]

Ruei

Or HSM

[slate flume]

[hearty shard]

or create your own hint manager

[slate flume]

Yep

[celest thorn]

Please no

[mild walrus]

tysm guyss

[hearty shard]

Ratio

chicken butt

[slate flume]

HSM isn't bad in my experience
I'm using it until RueI is actually finished lol

[celest thorn]

I switched off because my server was destroying and tanking my tps

[slate flume]

Skill issue

I use HSM on 32 player servers and get 60 tps

[celest thorn]

I do alot more than a normal sl server

And hsm was doing alot of useless stuff

[slate flume]

😁

[grand flower]

hints be expensive

[slate flume]

Where's that one emoji that's "Works fine on my machine"

[grand flower]

You're not all servers though

[slate flume]

Says you

You don't know me

[grand flower]

I work on probably the most heavily modded servers ever, I know hints are expensive from experience ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Once you start having to compute and send them for every player it gets a little slow

Especially at higher player counts

[slate flume]

I do, I just do that efficiently

Though I don't do like 50 billion hints

[grand flower]

You're talking to the guy that patched a ton of performance improvements to servers :p Efficiently or not it's inherently not a fast system

[slate flume]

I have a decent amount but not above average I'd say

[grand flower]

The more you have to use it for every player, the slower it gets

[slate flume]

I learned that from my experience

[grand flower]

48 player servers are like, already tough to handle unfortunately

Since the game really doesn't seem to be made for more than 30 according to NW

[slate flume]

I stopped using AutoText in HSM in favor of updating it manually to prevent constant updates

I had to patch some health setters and things to get that to work

[grand flower]

I wish there was a better system to display stuff on clients

[slate flume]

Don't we all

[restive turret]

More than 5

Trol

Anyway

[slate flume]

Oh so this is a known issue?

[restive turret]

There is no issue what do you mean

[slate flume]

Is there any fix I can implement or is it client-side and we have to wait for the next update?

[static meteor]

Its client validation irrc so you cant patch it

[slate flume]

Bffr

[worn gull]

Hi! How can I get which plugin eats the most tps?

[slate flume]

#1384311982953332736 message
Though this only applies to coroutines
To my knowledge, there isn't really a good way to check which plugin "eats the most TPS"

It's really just about taking inventory over what you're doing and cutting out the most resource-intensive stuff

But I gather you're not making a plugin in-house and are instead collecting LabAPI plugins

So may I ask what plugins you have

[worn gull]

I'm making plugins I just don't know if I'm coding in an optimalized way 😄

[slate flume]

Oh gotcha

My advice is generally don't worry about optimization so much for a majority of things

[worn gull]

Ah okay

[slate flume]

Unless you're someone like Zer0Two or Cyn developing some crazy heavily modded servers, you generally won't have much of a performance impact from plugins

[slate flume]

I'd hope @unique crane can back this up at some point cause from reading past messages it appears he was the one behind the change

[pine parcel]

@slate flume Did you get that proxchat working btw?

[slate flume]

Yep

Though I'd advise not doing prox chat rn

If 106 sends a prox chat message it kicks people

[pine parcel]

holy crap, do we know why?

[static meteor]

Client validation iirc

[pine parcel]

got it

but that's only 106 using prox chat, not their typical global scp voice chat right?

[winged meteor]

what if I found a 106 prox chat without any lab api updates?

as if its only removed from lab API...

it should be possible to do it

[slate flume]

No

[winged meteor]

they fully removed it?

[slate flume]

No

The problem is the client can't validate a proximity chat channel message from 106

Even if you send a proximity chat channel message from 106 not using LabAPI, the client still has to validate it

This isn't necessarily a LabAPI issue, it's a base-game validation bug

[winged meteor]

ahhh alrig

[pine parcel]

my question is if I want to send audio, through a player's prox chat, or if they're an scp, through their global chat, how does the listener.Connection.Send() code change in your snippet from earlier to send audio files loaded as a stream

for context, I wanted to use the speech synthesis (ideally from DECTalk, but that's a WIP) from Windows built-in to receive a text command from a player, take the string that was sent, create a speech clip in memory stream, and then send from the player that sent that command as a prox chat/global chat

[slate flume]

Oh very interesting

[pine parcel]

I have a friend who can't always play with a microphone, so this felt like a decent way to allow communication that didn't require line of sight, plus I imagine it should work with 939's voice stealing if done right?

[slate flume]

https://github.com/Killers0992/AudioPlayerApi

I'm unsure

If it's been updated?

[pine parcel]

I've used this lib for one of my projects, and it seems to still be working, but so far iirc for local stuff, they attach a speaker object to a player's position? this would make voice stealing impossible to my knowledge. Still, a great way to start I suppose

[slate flume]

Oh true!

[slate flume]

Honestly I've never had to play audio files myself, so I'm unsure what the process is like to convert audio files -> voice messages
But I'll spend a bit here looking into it and throwing out ideas and thoughts

[pine parcel]

I really appreciate it, don't worry too much if it takes too long or anything, and of course if I figure it out I'm happy to share what I learnt

[slate flume]

Okay I've been checking around for a bit
Generally the goal is to get a working VoiceMessage, which to my understanding you can make from an AudioMessage
I say this because you need the byte[] data for the message, but I'm unsure what these bytes are supposed to be or how to get them from an audio file
SpeakerToys to play audio use AudioTransmitters
I have noticed the AudioTransmitter::Transmit does a bunch of stuff, but then runs audioMessage.SendToHubsConditionally<AudioMessage>(new Func<ReferenceHub, bool>(audioTransmitter.\u003CTransmit\u003Eb__32_0));
Now the problem is that's a compiler-generated method

I know that if you prescribe to OnPlayerSendingVoiceMessage or otherwise you can change the ev.Message.Speaker to any referencehub it'll send the through the player specified by the reference hub

[pine parcel]

so it looks like the issue really is how to convert an audio stream into the format send() expects, right?

[slate flume]

Pretty much

I'm also unsure if the message requires constant sending

But I would believe that you'd have to constantly send the message

[pine parcel]

if that were the case, then surely you can run an async task that reads a bit from the memory stream, and then sends, and continues until the stream end is reached, and then finishes up the send

[slate flume]

One thought I preliminarily have is if you can get the audio sending through a speakertoy, would it be possible to grab the audio message from that, convert it to a voice message, and send it through a player?

[pine parcel]

If I do that, would likely see if I can write out to file the data in and out to try compare and figure out what transformation happened

[slate flume]

I think what I would do is check out the AudioTransmitter::Transmit

[pine parcel]

thanks, will do

[slate flume]

If you harmony patch to replace the SendToHubsConditionally call with a call to your function, check if the speakertoy is what you want, and then convert the audio message to a voice message and send it yourself, that should give the desired effectr

[pine parcel]

I see, this is all stuff I'll have to learn, I'm still new to C# in general, but I'm sure I'll come back around to this and might be able to get something really cool working

[teal junco]

the audio message shoulf work if you just construct the same thing but as a voice message

[slate flume]

I mainly recommend this course of action cause the two main barriers are converting the float[] PSM samples to byte[] message data that is expected and timing it so the data is sent correctly

Routing through speakertoys and patching the AudioMessage send should be the easiest way of overcoming those barriers

[teal junco]

only issue is sending a voice message and the player actually speaking has been known to sometimes function weirdlg

mostly with intercom though.

[slate flume]

Interesting

Haven't heard of that before

[pine parcel]

anyone know if there's a way to override magazine capacity of a gun, or how much ammo is currently in a gun?

[soft turtle]

Is there a method to find out ZoneType from Vector3?

[unique crane]

Max ammo requires a patch. Current ammo can be accessed via wrappers

[pine parcel]

I think you can do Room.GetRoomAtPosition(), then Room.Zone

[unique crane]

RoomUtils.RoomAtPosition(pos)?.Zone

[soft turtle]

Thx

[soft turtle]

thx

[slate flume]

DAVID

MY HERO

I have a question

[restive turret]

answer

[slate flume]

@unique crane is it possible to fix 106's prox chat issues with a patch or is it client-side where I can't do anything about it

[restive turret]

.

[warped prairie]

[pine parcel]

additionally ^ if David sees this

[slate flume]

Fuck

[harsh thorn]

Just use a channel that isnt Proximity

Scps dont have a handler for proximity anyway
So itd just play globally

So using a different channel that does the same would give you the desired effect

[slate flume]

Okay 👍🏼

Thank you @harsh thorn

[celest thorn]

hello chat

[slate flume]

Is the Speaker IsSpatial working yet?

Or is it still broken

[celest thorn]

no

still broken

it worked 1 update and then broke

[slate flume]

That's fucked

[tepid sluice]

[celest thorn]

honestly its sl

[slate flume]

I just wanna remove reverb from my speaker

[celest thorn]

my expectation are so low that even if a cube gets added and doesn't break in one update im happy

[celest thorn]

You can't :3

because IsSpatial was for that

you can try

but atleast for me no changes and always that way

[slate flume]

Well the issue is still open so I assume no fix

[celest thorn]

(opened by me)

Hope instead nw gives us a way to like set them

how the reverb works

[slate flume]

I just don't want reverb :(

[celest thorn]

no but settings for reverb and everything they would allow you to remove it to add slightly

etc...

[worthy rune]

isSpatial does work, reverb is a seperate thing from it

so the fix would be to add away to control reverb

[celest thorn]

so wait

why when it first came out it worked fine

and it was without reverb and then at some point got changed

it doesn't make any sense

[worthy rune]

yeah unity 6 did that

[celest thorn]

Thank you unity 6

[restive turret]

Daily hate on unity

[upper vapor]

I need graphic masks

[teal junco]

i wonder what modding tool will be added next

[upper vapor]

Don't use the proximity channel

[teal junco]

everything recently has been amazing

[upper vapor]

Don't use async

[pine parcel]

any reason not to?

[restive turret]

Unity

[upper vapor]

It's PCM :3
-# pulse-code modulation

[pine parcel]

does Unity get angory when async is used?

[restive turret]

Unity runs in one core/thread

If you call stuff in other you crash

[worthy rune]

actually using async with unity is fine

[pine parcel]

oh, how do you run things without blocking then?

[upper vapor]

Why would it be broken?

[slate flume]

My bad

[celest thorn]

because it should be without reverb like before

[grand flower]

I need actual modding

[worthy rune]

you can try using MEC coroutines

[restive turret]

Never happens

[pine parcel]

I would love to, but I have no idea how to get a hold of the dll for MEC

[worthy rune]

but async also works but i recommend async for I/O blocking stuff like web requests

[restive turret]

firstpass

[upper vapor]

Again, it's been said that reverb is a separate control
So just give us an option to change the reverb zone mix parameter

[upper vapor]

Kek

[teal junco]

Assembly-CSharp-firstpass

[slate flume]

By the time Cyn told me to use a different channel I had already time sunk into using SpeakerToys instead

[teal junco]

sprcifically

[grand flower]

Yeah I gave up on it

[slate flume]

I get reverb but I was able to use Opus to boost the gain on it

So it's not too quiet

[pine parcel]

@worthy rune you wouldn't happen to know how I could send an audiostream through a player's microphone would you?

[upper vapor]

There will be a fix at some point (hopefully)

[restive turret]

👆 🤓

[slate flume]

I just Opus Decode -> Boost Gain -> Opus Encode

Worked for me

[teal junco]

To run a coroutine just use Timing.RunCoroutine

and provide a method with return type IEnumerator<float> and each yield return (number) is a waiting period

[pine parcel]

thanks Chai!!!

[upper vapor]

Weird wording but
Just play the packets in order

[restive turret]

Yield return float.Nan

[slate flume]

yield return Timing.WaitForSeconds(1f);

[teal junco]

Construct VoiceMessage with referencehub as sender and then send to all

[upper vapor]

*NaN

[slate flume]

Don't just pass in random floats

[slate flume]

@pine parcel

[teal junco]

obviously dont do that

[restive turret]

*yield

do that

[pine parcel]

voice message is just a series of PCM?

[restive turret]

Wait for 1000 float tick

[upper vapor]

Timing.CallDelayed(Timing.WaitForSeconds())

[upper vapor]

Yes, encoded with opus

[slate flume]

It's compressed using opus

[teal junco]

I just want to give a comprehensive explanation to newer devs cus i had to figure some stuff all on my own

[pine parcel]

oh!!! thanks!!!

[upper vapor]

I'm working on a library to make audio stuff a million times easier

[grand flower]

Me when coroutine abuse, make components and save your sanity

[pine parcel]

I'd love to be notified when you get that working!

[grand flower]

Easier to maintain in the long run

[upper vapor]

Writing docs is pain though

[upper vapor]

Trueing

[restive turret]

That's why I dont

[slate flume]

I can send you some code that I use to Decode/Encode the Opus messages if you'd like

[upper vapor]

Let me share a sneak peek

[slate flume]

Tell me more

[pine parcel]

I would really appreciate that

[grand flower]

Easier to handle components over coroutines

Slap em on a player or whatever's playing audio

Hell even the host player since it's a thing for some stupid reason, make it useful instead of just there to crash your server

[upper vapor]

"Just FIGURE IT OUT ugh"
Ahh

[grand flower]

Encode and send data in Update()

Easy as pie

[upper vapor]

yes

[teal junco]

interesting

[slate flume]

I don't know how components work

:)

[upper vapor]

i love components, audio or not

[teal junco]

Bro just AddComponent

[upper vapor]

just do things in Update()

instead of

[restive turret]

Learn unity

[upper vapor]

while (true)
yr Timing.WaitForOneFrame

[grand flower]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.1/Documentation/Manual/Components.html

[upper vapor]

or you can use awaitables for more complex stuff

[teal junco]

ive seen more than one SL dev have a moral objection to unity as a company and therefore the software

[grand flower]

Dont use awaitables for audio stuff

Literally no point

[upper vapor]

not for audio

[grand flower]

Then dont do SL modding kek

[upper vapor]

but like some complex state

[teal junco]

ikr

[slate flume]

So uh how do I get shit in the update function
Like I have a coroutine I use to move players into a black hole, can I get the position of the primitive inside of the component?

[grand flower]

Unity sucks ass but if you're gonna make SL stuff just bite the bullet and use the engine properly

[teal junco]

i dont even know if unity is bad

[grand flower]

Yes keep a reference to it in your component

[teal junco]

like what did they do

[grand flower]

They shit on devs

[slate flume]

How would I do that

[teal junco]

Have an Init() method where you pass relevant objects

[upper vapor]

Player _player;

[grand flower]

However you're already doing it, just pass the reference to a component you create

Instead of passing it to a coroutine

[restive turret]

I only used unity when I did the game object tree check and decompiled the game

[teal junco]

and do gameObject.AddComponent<ComponentType>().Init(objcets);

[grand flower]

Please split your stuff heh

[slate flume]

Fire

[slate flume]

I make some devious one-liners that no one can ever read

[grand flower]

var component = gameObject.AddComponent<MyComponent>();
component.Initialize(data);

[slate flume]

Including myself

[grand flower]

I chew out people who do that for a living

[upper vapor]

yeah one-line if statements

[grand flower]

Unless there's a good reason to and it's readable

One line if statements are an immediate execution

[slate flume]

I mean I get not liking large one-liners

What's the problem with a short one-line if statement though

[grand flower]

Congrats your git diff screwed up, your if statement now applies to another line of code instead of what it did before, oops runtime bug you didn't catch

[slate flume]

My IDE would warn me in that scenario

[grand flower]

Worth the {} you saved

No it wouldn't

[slate flume]

It does big flashing underlines

[grand flower]

Not always

[upper vapor]

um no

[slate flume]

Yes it does

[restive turret]

Nah you gotta do

void AddModules(GameObject go) { go.AddComponent<MyLovelyConponentThatHasALongName>().Start(); }

[teal junco]

okay

[slate flume]

I'm telling you it literally does

[upper vapor]

i don't even use braces for one line if statements but i put the exec on a new line

[grand flower]

Start is a Unity method you're fucked up if you call it manually heh

[upper vapor]

😭

[teal junco]

i try to avoid one liners more now, they suck to write and suck to read

[grand flower]

Depending on what the code is, it could be valid and your IDE doesn't generally understand what you want to do

[upper vapor]

indent

[slate flume]

I don't see the issue with that

[teal junco]

but i dont always think about them so i end up writing a lot

[grand flower]

It wont always be like that

[slate flume]

It's still valid code, my IDE is just smarter

[slate flume]

It does that with every if statement

[restive turret]

Yoh forgor return

[slate flume]

Exactly

[grand flower]

Because you're applying an if to an if

[slate flume]

And my IDE warned me

[grand flower]

It won't always be the case

[slate flume]

Give me a case where it won't tell me

[grand flower]

Source: has happened multiple times at work which is why I kill anyone who does it nowadays

[slate flume]

I don't believe it until I see it

Because my IDE warns me when I don't use proper indentation, if I forget a return, it'll warn me because I didn't indent

[upper vapor]

me when 5 ||s in one if statement (both on their own line)

[slate flume]

I.E. I get warned if my one-liner doesn't work

[upper vapor]

can't indent if you don't do a new line

[grand flower]

if (something) method();
anotherMethod();

if (something) anotherMethod();
anotherMethod();

[slate flume]

Okay? That's the damn point I'm getting at

[grand flower]

I can't check the broken commits from work

Either way it's happened

It's a bad habit

[upper vapor]

bruh

[slate flume]

That's just a call to the wrong method lmao

[slate flume]

WDYM

[grand flower]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's happened on bigger projects than SL, we ban it, everyone's happier

[slate flume]

I have not once experienced an issue like that

[grand flower]

Which is great, not the case for everyone else

[slate flume]

Good for them

[upper vapor]

having the code on a new line makes it much more readable

if (someAbsurdlyLongConditionLikeJavaXdIDontEventKnowWhatToPutHereJustForDemonstration) DoSomething();

vs

if (someAbsurdlyLongConditionLikeJavaXdIDontEventKnowWhatToPutHereJustForDemonstration)
    DoSomething();

i don't have to read the entire condition

[grand flower]

It's unreadable

[slate flume]

That's why I don't do it with absurdly long conditions

if (ev.Message.Channel != VoiceChatChannel.ScpChat) return;

Simple

Easy

[teal junco]

nobody cares how you write your code, only you do, unless youre gonna work on a team or professionally

[upper vapor]

"unless you work in a team"

[slate flume]

If my if statement is long I indent

[upper vapor]

so true

[teal junco]

only person you hurt is yourself (or potential contributors)

[grand flower]

What will you ever do with those {} you didn't type, saved ya a lot of time

[slate flume]

I just think it's cleaner

It's not about saving time

[grand flower]

Yeah I work in big teams on monolithic codebases

[teal junco]

I think it looks like shit lol, i always put brackets around shit

[grand flower]

We have reasons we forbid stuff like that

[upper vapor]

everyone else has different coding styles and they refuse to reformat, no .editorconfig

[upper vapor]

2 lines

not needed

[slate flume]

I indent when it matters

I don't indent if it's a one-line like 20-character thing

[upper vapor]

*python walks in*

[grand flower]

We have an editorconfig and bypassing it or not following conventions gets your PR denied

[teal junco]

and ive seen more talented programmers doing the same stuff (one liner or no brackets), its weird to see but i guess everyones different

[slate flume]

Funilly enough I use python

[upper vapor]

YES

[teal junco]

i should get an editor config that i just put in every project

[grand flower]

When we work in codebases that have 50k+ files, we can't afford wasting time because someone decided they were better than everyone else

Same reason we ban AI

[teal junco]

rn i install stylecop 50% of the time and then ignore the warnings i dislike instead of reconfiguring it. so i should probably get an editorconfig

[grand flower]

I personally spent enough time rewriting shitty AI generated code merged by a junior to get it banned by management

Like yeah it looks okay on merge, then you find out it's sheite when it interacts with the rest of the codebase later down the line

Enjoy the ticking bomb you'll have to cleanup a few weeks or months later

[upper vapor]

😭

[slate flume]

I can say I fully understand why you have the conventions you do
Why you're strict about editing style and using AI and those things
Most large tech companies have those rules because people will misuse them

[teal junco]

AI generated code in a professional context is insane

[restive turret]

Real

[grand flower]

I'm fine with AI if you're experienced and know when it spews bs

I'll still judge but I won't be annoyed or worried

[upper vapor]

hate to see my coworker porting the website to Nuxt with ai, comments everywhere, random shit, uses axios

[grand flower]

Juniors that abuse it just piss me off

[slate flume]

This makes sense

[grand flower]

They won't learn as much as they should

And I have to cleanup their mess later

[upper vapor]

some just don't care, and that's kinda sad

[grand flower]

And they get their head screwed back on or fired

[upper vapor]

why are you programming at this point if you just prompt

[grand flower]

Job security for me

[restive turret]

No AI can write a disasterous code than me

[grand flower]

You wish heh

[unique crane]

I'm back

[teal junco]

What is your worst code

or at least the cringiest code

[restive turret]

4 years ago probably

Or 3

[grand flower]

Cringing at your old code is great

[unique crane]

I wanted to sleep but someone outside decided to lawn grass

[grand flower]

Means you've improved

[restive turret]

Sometimes with database and bunch of if statement

[teal junco]

https://github.com/icedchai/ColdWaterLibrary/blob/main/ColdWaterLibrary%2FFeatures%2FExtensions%2FPlayerExtensions.cs

[restive turret]

So fucking real

[slate flume]

@grand flower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lU11IHfJgo
You might like this video

[teal junco]

personal lib i wrote last year. i might need to rewrite it sometime both for LabAPI and general improvements

[slate flume]

I watch a lot of videos like that

[grand flower]

I don't watch much of those

[restive turret]

C++ cife is never gorgeous

[grand flower]

Some are good, others are just eh

[restive turret]

*code

And not wife

[upper vapor]

c++ wife

[teal junco]

I wrote plugins 3 or 4 years ago, and i wonder to myself how i just didnt know super basic things

[upper vapor]

[slate flume]

True, which is why I sent you that one

[grand flower]

Also that video broke about 10 of our conventions in 2 minutes

So not for me heh

[slate flume]

I thought it was pretty good

[grand flower]

It is

[teal junco]

like i wrote a switch statement for a bool

[grand flower]

Like it's not bad but wouldn't apply for us

[teal junco]

and i had a function dedicated to calling the biggest if statement ever

which was like 99% redundant i think

[grand flower]

auto is automatically forbidden 95% of the time

The only time I'd accept it is for structured bindings

[slate flume]

That's one of the points of the video

[teal junco]

https://github.com/icedchai/LoneFoundation-EXILED/blob/main/LoneFoundation%2FEventHandlers.cs#L52

true 12 year old programmer right here

[grand flower]

Did I misread

[grand flower]

Ah

Well still breaks our rules

No auto unless for structured bindings generally

[teal junco]

is auto like var

[grand flower]

Explicit is best

Yes

[slate flume]

Yeah

[grand flower]

I'll happily type a full name over auto

[teal junco]

ive fallen into the realm of var recently

cant get out

[grand flower]

var is good

[slate flume]

What it means is you can't do like
int a = Function();
but you could do something like
var a = Function<int>();

[teal junco]

i think it depends on context

[slate flume]

So long as the type is explicitly stated in the line

[grand flower]

We'd still type it explicitly

[teal junco]

sometimes its fine if the type is very easily inferrable

but other times its just laziness and can hurt readabilty

[pine parcel]

as a beginner csharp programmer, why do I ever use var? shouldn't I always know what type something is going to be?

[grand flower]

C++ is a lot wilder

[slate flume]

That's interesting cause I like to use var when I'm grabbing long ass variables like CoroutineHandle

[teal junco]

var is for convenience i think

[upper vapor]

1. laziness
2. sometimes the compiler knows better

[grand flower]

You'll know from what you assign and your IDE will tell you

[grand flower]

Thats fine in C# - I always use var for local variables

[upper vapor]

like don't do IEnumerator<int> = list.GetEnumerator(); (it boxes)

[grand flower]

Actually a rule of mine

[upper vapor]

YES

[teal junco]

var type is always the most specific possible right

[upper vapor]

what else would you use them for

[upper vapor]

yes

[grand flower]

I just mean that while that is fair in C#, I would never do the same in C++

[upper vapor]

if you did var enumerator = list.GetEnumerator() it would be List<T>.Enumerator and not IEnumerator<T>

[grand flower]

In C++ I will happily type UE::TSomeTemplate<MyClass>::Descriptor Something = ....

[upper vapor]

why not in C# then

[grand flower]

Not as dangerous as C++

Auto can fuck you over

[upper vapor]

ah

[grand flower]

Especially once you start getting into pointers and references etc

[teal junco]

c++ is more low level right

[grand flower]

Yes

[upper vapor]

so you're saying that the compiler is dumber?

[grand flower]

C# is also a lot easier for your IDE to analyse

No more like static analysis of C++ is extremely expensive computation wise

[teal junco]

i prefer to blame the compiler

[grand flower]

Meaning most IDEs won't or they'll do their best

But they can't always catch everything

Not as much as C#

[worthy rune]

what can go wrong

[grand flower]

Unreal is also huge itself, so add that and then the game itself on top and you'll understand why I have 192GB of RAM

[grand flower]

Can compile differently between auto and typed out

Compiler might prioritize another possible inferred type

[teal junco]

jesus

[restive turret]

https://github.com/UplayDB/UplayApps/tree/main/Downloader
Or
https://github.com/SlejmUr/R6-AIO-Csharp/blob/main/AIO-Tools/Classes/Download.cs

[grand flower]

C# generally has the IDE yell at you if that can happen, C++ it generally won't unless it's very wrong

So you might end up with behaviour that differs from what you wanted

[restive turret]

They yell st compile time

[grand flower]

Maybe not a lot different, could still work fine but be a little costlier for instance

[worthy rune]

i thought that was impossible

[grand flower]

Rare

Afaik

[harsh thorn]

Spending 30 minutes fixing a buffer overflow just for it to be somewhere else

[grand flower]

I think I've only had it happen a single digit amount of times in the past

[teal junco]

java looking getters and setters

[grand flower]

But when it happens it's either just costlier or catastrophic and hard to debug

[grand flower]

Memory management be like

[harsh thorn]

More like stack corruption

[restive turret]

Funny is , not even learned java at that time

[grand flower]

Especially when you start getting the bug in non-debug builds/optimized builds and not your editor/dev ones

Yeah that's ass

Had it happen a few times

Generally it was a more junior dev returning references when they shouldn't

[worthy rune]

i need an example, what your describing sounds way to wild for the compiler to be doing

[grand flower]

And like, in debug builds, the compiler actually made it work, so in editor it was okay, then it blew up in shipping and they couldn't understand ehy

I'd have to find one