plugins-dev-chat

[unique crane]

No other way

[keen halo]

[unique crane]

Also the class description of flamingos is just "Flamogus"

[celest thorn]

Flamingos AREN'T BACK

[unique crane]

No I mean in the code

[celest thorn]

so sad

[unique crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805416872962818078/1401946305818923038/image.png?ex=68921fbe&is=6890ce3e&hm=214916f285880d360ba1cf0d3d426b5055633f6a5161e7b10799dd46b1ed89b1&

[sinful bronze]

Flamogus.

[upper vapor]

SUS

AAA

[static meteor]

How would I get the prefabs in a room

[upper vapor]

wdym

there are no prefabs at runtime

do you mean in the unity editor?

[static meteor]

The clutter in heavy

[south socket]

i hope the flamingos will touch me

[signal steeple]

Has anyone run into this error using the new RoleSyncEvent to spoof roles? I'm not sending any custom network messages, just subscribing to the event and returning a different role id. I'm not sure why I would be getting malformed network packets.

Disconnecting connection: connection(0). This can happen if the other side accidentally (or an attacker intentionally) sent invalid data. Reason: System.IO.EndOfStreamException: ReadBlittableSystem.UInt16 not enough data in buffer to read 2 bytes: [28-08-C4-EC-00-00-00-00-53-06-F8-00-0E-00-06-A0] @ 17/16

at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FpcStandardRoleBase.ReadSpawnData (Mirror.NetworkReader reader) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
at PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager.InitializeNewRole (PlayerRoles.RoleTypeId targetId, PlayerRoles.RoleChangeReason reason, PlayerRoles.RoleSpawnFlags spawnFlags, Mirror.NetworkReader data) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
at PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager.InitializeNewRole (PlayerRoles.RoleTypeId targetId, PlayerRoles.RoleChangeReason reason, PlayerRoles.RoleSpawnFlags spawnFlags) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
at PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleNetUtils.ReadRoleSyncInfo (Mirror.NetworkReader reader) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0```

[upper vapor]

depends on what different role

[signal steeple]

Why would that matter?

[upper vapor]

because some roles have different formats of spawn data

e.g. you can't spoof a spectator to be a class-d

[signal steeple]

I figured the game would handle that if this was meant to be a replacement for fake sync vars

[upper vapor]

oh

well

no

[signal steeple]

Well if that's the case that would definitely explain this

[upper vapor]

it just replaces IObfuscatedRole basically

[unique crane]

You need to send the extra data with the RoleSyncInfo

otherwise this happens

I am making fix for this using this event

[signal steeple]

This really seems like something that should have been handled within this event we're subscribing to lol

[south socket]

can we start a petition to leave the flamingos in the base game?

[unique crane]

Flamingos are seasonal event

[south socket]

i know that but i still want them

[signal steeple]

Is this gonna be a hotfix or in the next big update? This exception is causing a lot of issues atm so debating if it's worth waiting for or just making my own.

[unique crane]

Yes there will be a hotfix of some sort

[restive turret]

aint you can revert to older one? I think you used one prev

[signal steeple]

If you're saying to just use our old system, I'm sure it'd be more challenging based on this note from the changelog This is likely to break plugins sending fake sync messages, as it will require constant synchronizing.

[vast canopy]

Yep. And that exception smhw crashing players. Tried to fix but skill issue from me

[restive turret]

I already do constant syncing cause issue of player leaving and joining

[signal steeple]

Oh that's what they meant by constant syncing, yeah my system did that as well

I figured there would be more of an issue with the whole rendering players as spectator when they're too far outr of range system

Does that approach using the fake sync vars and constant syncing still work as it was?

[restive turret]

ye i can join on server and can check

should work

[signal steeple]

I'll probably just revert then, no telling how long the hotfix will take lol

Thanks for the heads up

[restive turret]

6 week + a xmas holiday

[restive turret]

aaah
btw ye iirc something checks for if player role is Spectator

and also that could break it top on the RoleSyncInfo not full message

just checked ye old method still works

[signal steeple]

Trying myself rn

Yup old code works perfectly lol

[ionic prawn]

how do i get what version scp : sl is on?

[hearty shard]

"buildinfo"

[ionic prawn]

ty

[upper vapor]

version also works

shocking

[restive turret]

v too

[hearty shard]

btw

did keycard throwing work

[ionic prawn]

gamecore.version?

[restive turret]

it just BuildInfo

[hearty shard]

@unique crane what voice channels arent validated

by client

well

other than a player mute check

[upper vapor]

excuse me

why did they do that

to combat hackers?

idk who thought that using a Func event would work in the first place

[icy wraith]

I'm struggling to change the value of a server only slider, has someone managed to do it ?

[grand flower]

Out of range already didnt update the position of the players

So I have no idea why they'd need additional measures

[upper vapor]

right

up * 6000

[upper vapor]

try #1339704289291141130

[grand flower]

At the very least it'd be nice to get early client builds

And more than 2 days of warning for stuff like this

[icy wraith]

I don't get how this helps me...

[upper vapor]

it has wrappers for SSSS

so it's easier to manage

[hearty shard]

i do need a proper syncing method for this

cuz if ur syncing a server side thing you shouldnt need to resync every other setting

[upper vapor]

so no usable secretapi in the near future

[rugged laurel]

The issue is if you try to fake someones role as an mtf who isnt an mtf their unit id isnt getting synced because its ussing their actual role to sync those types of things

basically you cant use the RoleSyncEvent it doesnt work

[icy wraith]

It doesn't help me at all when it comes to value updating...

[upper vapor]

^

[rugged laurel]

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(FpcServerPositionDistributor), nameof(FpcServerPositionDistributor.SendRole))]
internal class SendRolePatch
{
    [HarmonyPrefix]
    private static bool Prefix(ReferenceHub receiver, ReferenceHub hub, RoleTypeId targetRole)
    {
        if (receiver == hub)
        {
            targetRole = hub.roleManager.CurrentRole.RoleTypeId;
        }

        bool flag = FpcServerPositionDistributor.IsDistributionActive(targetRole);

        RoleTypeId roleTypeToSend = flag ? RoleTypeId.Overwatch : targetRole;
        Player player = Player.Get(hub);
        Player receiverPlayer = Player.Get(receiver);

        player.ChangeAppearance(roleTypeToSend, new[] { receiverPlayer }, skipJump: true, unitId: player.UnitId);

        hub.roleManager.PreviouslySentRole[receiver.netId] = targetRole;
        if (targetRole != hub.roleManager.CurrentRole.RoleTypeId || !(hub.roleManager.CurrentRole is ISubroutinedRole currentRole))
        {
            return false;
        }

        foreach (SubroutineBase allSubroutine in currentRole.SubroutineModule.AllSubroutines)
        {
            receiver.connectionToClient.Send<SubroutineMessage>(new SubroutineMessage(allSubroutine, true));
        }

        return false;
    }
}

this is how we fixed our disguisees on our server

not sure what you can use

but might be helpful

[slate flume]

Interesting that you're doing so much to do a fake role sync

[upper vapor]

do you want to override what the client has?

[rugged laurel]

its using exiles changes appearance but you can repurposes that

[upper vapor]

idk if that's possible without changing the ID

[slate flume]

Why not just set the player's role and then handle damage?

That's what I do and it works perfectly

A lot less work

[upper vapor]

because some players need to see role x, some need to see role y

[slate flume]

Oh

[upper vapor]

that's the point of the disguise

[slate flume]

Fair nuff

[rugged laurel]

diguises ussually arent a lot of work

and that thing

just this update made them break

[upper vapor]

just patch rolemanager do return your own obfuscatedrole

[slate flume]

@unique crane I love you

You're my hero

[upper vapor]

-# it doesn't fix the spawn data

[slate flume]

🥹

[upper vapor]

ain't no way

i'm gonna find you

r issue

[south socket]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/40 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[upper vapor]

for items it makes sense

but for roles

just hack it with player info

[slate flume]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/238

Something like this would make things like readding 3114 much easier

[restive turret]

if you already using exiled change appearance there is no need for this tbh

[south socket]

no... we need to be able to edit this... that is my wet dream for 4 years

[rugged laurel]

in what way

exileds change appearance is broken

without patching the method

[upper vapor]

that'll require a bit of a refactor

[restive turret]

my appearance works

[south socket]

just use patches

[restive turret]

it basicly exileds and mine works

[rugged laurel]

and your not doing anythign with the new role sync event???

[south socket]

yeah i stole it also from exiled in my labapi code works also for me

[restive turret]

yes

[rugged laurel]

witch craft

[south socket]

same here

[restive turret]

I dont do anything with that

[rugged laurel]

the new role sync thing is suppose to be resyncing your roles

[upper vapor]

because it's kinda shit

[rugged laurel]

it should be resetting your disguises back to what their actual role is

[restive turret]

I did with my own
https://github.com/KadavasKingdom/LabApiExtensions/blob/main/Extensions/AppearanceSyncExtension.cs

[rugged laurel]

thats what it was doing to me

ok thats ur own system

it doesnt work with just exiled

[harsh thorn]

if hes just sending the network message itl work, until they go out of range and back in range

[rugged laurel]

ya thats what i mean

[south socket]

every second?

[upper vapor]

this will not work properly with multiple subscribers

should've been a ref parameter for the output role

and not Func

[restive turret]

every 5 frame

or whatever float reperesent inside the coroutine

[rugged laurel]

me when using anything of MEC

[slate flume]

L take

[upper vapor]

issue?

[harsh thorn]

it was a "fast implementation" so that may be why you see that

labapi team will be able to give you better means of doing role stuff

[south socket]

so im stupid rn guys change appearance doesnt work for some of you?

[rugged laurel]

it shouldnt work for you either when someone leaves range and returns

[restive turret]

idk if i being laggy or I run multiple shit but seems fine with my thing and i see appearance works on server

[rugged laurel]

unless your resyncing it

[signal steeple]

Yeah I've got all the edge cases in my fake sync var function, zombies have one too and I think there's one more. Tbh I'm not gonna bother with it until it gets fixed on Northwood's end, just gonna keep using my old implementation since we handled the synchronization. Thanks for the code anyways though 🙂

[restive turret]

oh havent tried that

i just spawned and be on my face

[grand flower]

Why was that added anyway

[harsh thorn]

cheaters

[upper vapor]

to complicate things

[grand flower]

Dont you already do out of range stuff

[harsh thorn]

thats only for positions

that doesnt stop them from seeing the gmod thats been chilling in spectator for the entire round

[grand flower]

I guess

[signal steeple]

Also, I noticed my pet system causes pets to now be completely invisible when they get set into Noclip mode. Were there any noclip changes that would cause "fake dummies" (who don't appear on the player list) to just be invisible now when the noclip flag is set to true?

[harsh thorn]

by making everyone out of range appear as spectator it makes it significantly harder for them to just notice that 1 guy always being in spectator at round start, respawns, etc

[upper vapor]

does FpcSPD.SendRole work? or is that why it's the issue

ah

[restive turret]

here a pathc

[upper vapor]

interesting

[upper vapor]

right, cuz spawn data isn't taken care of

[plain gazelle]

Are you all talking about role syncing?

[signal steeple]

I haven't played with it myself, but based on the code Trouble sent earlier it doesn't account for the needed bits of information for certain roles

[upper vapor]

yea

[signal steeple]

bump if anyone knows about some secret noclip change that could cause this 🙂

[unique crane]

There was no change to the noclip

it is more of a role sync thing

[signal steeple]

I figured

I was able to confirm that the position and role of the pet are being sent properly though

So I'm not sure how they're appearing invisible

[upper vapor]

why isn't this an if-else

[upper vapor]

are they spectator or just invis

[signal steeple]

just invis

lemme find the list of things ive verified

[upper vapor]

[signal steeple]

• Scale is correct
• Position is correct
• Positional data is being sent by the server by WriteAll (not considered out of view)
• Role is correct

The pet appears fine, but the second it gets put into noclip its gone lol

[upper vapor]

parent a primitive to the dummy and see if it stays

[signal steeple]

I'm not sure why it wouldn't, the position is in the correct spot

[upper vapor]

right

[heady turret]

I have a problem where some plugin is not working correctly after the 14.1.3 update. Am I the only one having this issue?

[upper vapor]

where do you log these stuff

[upper vapor]

ask the developer

update if available

[signal steeple]

I checked them all manually

Logged everything, everything was in order

And again to confirm it, had a command just put them in noclip, to which they vanished

[unique crane]

Might be the rolesync thingy..

issue

[signal steeple]

I'm sure it's something to do with the new role sync, I'm just not sure how

[upper vapor]

can we remove it

:3

[grand flower]

Feels like it could be patched out

Doubt it has clientside stuff

[signal steeple]

Once I take the pet out of noclip he reappears

[upper vapor]

yeah i can confirm

[unique crane]

Nop

[grand flower]

Then maybe Northwood should start giving us more time to test things for them

With an early client build

[upper vapor]

khm

that would be nice

[grand flower]

Especially things we can't get rid of because of """security"""

[signal steeple]

Been asking for an early client build for literal years

[upper vapor]

major project policy for labapi when?

[grand flower]

You want free access to moderation on our servers? Sure

[upper vapor]

nvm that didn't have client

[grand flower]

At least give us the courtesy of not having to put out a hundred fires for y'all every update

[upper vapor]

🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[grand flower]

No disrespect intended

It just gets tiring

And there are parts of the update I very much appreciate so thank you for that

Early client build + at minimum 7 days of access to it before an update and this would have gone a lot smoother

[unique crane]

#serverhost-suggestions

I do fully support that idea

[rugged laurel]

as much as i also wish for that I think beryl has talked about feasability with that sort of stuff before

[unique crane]

He did yea

let me see if I can find it

[restive turret]

lmao

[rugged laurel]

Ender prob has too

[grand flower]

What's the problem with client builds

Every other game that respects its community does it

Simply because both server hosts & players can find bugs

And everyone's happier in the end.

[upper vapor]

if they announce that the server is available and give us client that would be huge
but 2 days is not enough time to fix all our complaints :(

[grand flower]

NW gets free QA testing and not at the expense of server hosts having to crunch to fix things

They can then fix bugs before they go live

[restive turret]

I even would be happy if they just not announce it will come

[upper vapor]

gotta wait for 14.1.4 i guess

[restive turret]

like take more week okay its fine but

dont rush it

[grand flower]

Still need early access to upgrade plugins

But the fact we cant test and only get two days sucks

[restive turret]

not even 2 days since client come same day

[grand flower]

Some of us have gigantic codebases built over the years

[restive turret]

so basicly you just see the codebase of it and just sit until update

[grand flower]

If they can give us 2 days they can give us 7

[rugged laurel]

@remote cosmos or @marble cobalt can prob answer better as I cant find their past responses

[restive turret]

bc you cant test anything that require visual

[grand flower]

Not saying it should be the case for hotfixes #serverhost-suggestions message

[upper vapor]

double ping

[restive turret]

would be tripple if pinged Cyn too

[rugged laurel]

imma be taken out to the back

[hearty shard]

hi trub

[true cedar]

i feel ljke its somewhat entitled to act like its a moral failing on nw's part to provide a client build

[upper vapor]

bruh

[hearty shard]

r u evil again

[rugged laurel]

im always evil 😎

[true cedar]

hi trub

[upper vapor]

you wouldn't get it

😾

[restive turret]

i mean if normal player not give access to server hosts

[upper vapor]

-# cursed ahh emoji

[true cedar]

theres no way in hell u can make it server host only

[upper vapor]

❌ patreon portal
✅ server host portal

[rugged laurel]

anything server hosts get is considered public info

[restive turret]

ah well

[upper vapor]

how about we bring back the major project policy with early client builds included

[restive turret]

❌ public build
:tick: private build

[grand flower]

Ced answered the issue in #serverhost-suggestion-discussion

[upper vapor]

in no access

[restive turret]

no access

[upper vapor]

can you forward

[true cedar]

server host deep state

[restive turret]

forwarding my 25565 udp+tcp

[south socket]

Is SpectatableListManager even used? I tried to patch certain players out of the spec list. No chance. It doesn't even get triggered. Does anyone know anything about this?

[upper vapor]

LMFAO

[hearty shard]

client sided

[south socket]

makes sense

so no fun for me

i love that

[upper vapor]

death

[restive turret]

ah well thats sucks

then just dont release either build

have fun

[upper vapor]

smart

[restive turret]

[unique crane]

You cannot hide players from spectator list

Unless you fake their role

Sorry

[hearty shard]

approve my suggestion when

[restive turret]

in 19.5.2

[upper vapor]

❌ approve
✅ implement

[hearty shard]

nah dont implement

false hope ✅

[unique crane]

Okay Ill never implement it

[south socket]

okayyyyyyy

[remote cosmos]

Client builds are something that we like to throw around occasionally, but tend to not be feasible for a number of reasons. Usually security/anti-cheat/behind the scenes stuff. We would've given builds out this cycle if it was possible.

Seven days of heads-up notice is a no-go though. Why would we hold back an update from the public for so long for what is a small part of the player-base? The middle-ground solution I can come up with is to consider these sorts of things as a public beta, but for such a small update with no real driving features for players, I decided against it this go around. I do agree with the idea of client builds when possible, and we've pushed a few in the past, I'm not opposed to it in the future. But it'd likely be two days at most for something this small.

[grand flower]

a small part of the playerbase
I do wanna say I think we're a bit more important than that

[true cedar]

just give me the client builds exclusively and ill tell everyone what changed

[grand flower]

I'd like to hope at least

[remote cosmos]

You guys are very important, and I don't mean to undermine that

But there are very important fixes for players who are not able to play the game at all in this build

Instant crashes, infinite connection failures, etc

Straight up "i cannot play the game at all, fuck you nw" type issues

Weighing the options here, I tended to side with the higher risk problems

I do want to give you guys client builds and as much as possible when it's available

[restive turret]

tbh its not just only that version , that happens randomly

[remote cosmos]

But due to security factors behind the scenes, and the important fixes in this update, we needed to ship things forward

A week more of folks unable to play the game at all isn't nice, and it's the first step to solving even more serious crashes behind the scenes

The tl;dr is pretty much it wasn't feasible this go around, but it's not something we're against

[restive turret]

LabApi client beta branch?
that means we can test but still be able to change numerous stuff behind the scene

[remote cosmos]

That is effectively a publicly accessible branch, which wasn't available due to sec

[grand flower]

How about 2 days early server build, 1 day early client

Idk, anything is better atp

[upper vapor]

the negotiation is crazy

[harsh thorn]

LabAPI things are on master (or still in a PR) just like the other changes
We cannot really release things when the thing we dont want to release is already on master

[grand flower]

I'll take anything hah

[remote cosmos]

We like to give client builds when possible, just wasn't available this cycle. I'm sorry about that!

[grand flower]

Fair enough

[remote cosmos]

I do like shipping clients alongside servers when we've a moment

But this cycle was just unfortunately not feasible

[pallid galleon]

realm

[restive turret]

dmca cheaters and u fine

[pallid galleon]

*real

[restive turret]

minecraft realm?

[remote cosmos]

When clients do get shipped, it'd likely be at the same time as servers. Two days in advance, most likely. A week though is pretty much off the table

[pallid galleon]

the realm

[restive turret]

i mean like we broke thing like already and its not even a week :D

[upper vapor]

yeah i think most of us could live with that

[restive turret]

been like <2 days and most things can be broken did it

[upper vapor]

but there are some obscure bugs that only get found after thorough rounds
and then "ah crap, it didn't make it in the update"

[signal steeple]

Clients being shipped at the same time as the early server build would be plenty good enough. I just don't quite understand the reasoning behind not doing that all the time. Ced pointed out anticheat and the fact that cheaters would start making cheats, but is delaying the creation of cheats 2 days worth making it exponentially harder for devs to get their servers ready?

[harsh thorn]

Based on the changes we made we believe the 2 days would make a difference

while we could be wrong, i do not want to take chances

[signal steeple]

The changes are designed to make cheating more difficult, whether its more difficult for them now or in 2 days from now, what's the difference?

[upper vapor]

nuke midnight from existence

[grand flower]

We'll just measure the time it takes to get cheaters again on our servers

[harsh thorn]

well im also measuring

[grand flower]

I do hope you're right

[harsh thorn]

[slender lynx]

cheat devs start working as soon as the client comes out regardless

[grand flower]

But I'm like, doubtful

[slender lynx]

the loki team was quick i know that

[upper vapor]

i banned two cheaters yesterday

[upper vapor]

they are speedrunning fr

[harsh thorn]

Incase you're wondering
midnight doesnt have a spoofer right now

[signal steeple]

[harsh thorn]

as per their announcements

[plain gazelle]

I tried to understand the previous conversation about player culling, desync, scale, and stuffs but i really didnt see through it.
I currently have the issue that my method of fake syncing someones scale via
new SyncedScaleMessages.ScaleMessage(scale, fakeScalePlayer.ReferenceHub).SendToHubsConditionally(hub => viewer.ReferenceHub == hub);
No longer seems to work.

Do i like, need to move that line into the RoleSyncEvent or something .w.

[slender lynx]

yeah im aware

they need more people to buy the cheat for new hardware ids

[upper vapor]

viewer.ReferenceHub == hub) you're only sending it to one person?

why not just

[slender lynx]

i sent a message to s&c over a month ago with some important stuff relating to cheaters but never got a response

[harsh thorn]

That is unrelated

[plain gazelle]

Only one player should see the fake scale

[upper vapor]

viewer.connectionToClient.Send(new Scale())

[signal steeple]

So just to make sure I understand here, the whole point in not releasing client builds early is to keep the game ideally cheat free for a day or two?

[harsh thorn]

well i'd hope it be longer than 2 days

[grand flower]

I guess they dont have a 2 day head start

So that just buys NW 2 more days

[plain gazelle]

Like
viewer.ConnectionToClient.Send(new SyncedScaleMessages.ScaleMessage(scale, fakeScalePlayer.ReferenceHub));
? :o

[upper vapor]

10000000x more performant than what you had before
-# dramatic exaggeration

[unique crane]

(Its just 3 times)

[signal steeple]

Right, so not releasing the client builds early isn't the main defense here. The main defense is the increase in difficulty thanks to the systems you guys have implemented into the game. If that's the main line of defense, what benefit does the 2 day delay give?

[harsh thorn]

The role sync stuff is not the primary thing, no

thats just to stop cheaters from noticing gmods right away

[signal steeple]

I'm not referring to the role sync stuff in particular, more generically whatever you're doing within the code to make cheating harder

[plain gazelle]

Can i also use the viewer.ConnectionToClient.Send to fake position? rotation? etc etc?

[unique crane]

Absolutely

[upper vapor]

it scales by player count

[signal steeple]

This just sends a network message, so you can use it to send anything 🙂

[celest thorn]

Hello chat

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-nuke-nuclear-explosion-trollge-gif-23219321

[plain gazelle]

I still only know of SyncedScaleMessages.ScaleMessage

Is there anywhere where i can find more of such things, like for position, etc?

[upper vapor]

position is handled by FpcServerPositionDistributor

now with extra (for free)

[unique crane]

^

[true cedar]

huh

[unique crane]

Server sends you position and rotation of other clients

[upper vapor]

fake spectator sync

in WriteAll

totally belongs there but

oh well

[true cedar]

im so glad i stopped doing fake sync bullshit

[plain gazelle]

I can find GetNewSyncData but that seems to only be for getting the First person movement module info, not setting it
.w.

[harsh thorn]

The benefit of it is, in my eyes

That we dont give them a headsup with "in 2 days your things break, have fun"
And for them having a chance of them figuring out before the update even releases

I understand it may seem annoying
But it is a choice that was made in hopes of delaying their efforts, ofcourse i would want for them to take very long figuring it out, but incase they dont we wanted to just throw it at them

I understand that the role syncing changes could have been more sophisticated, and i would have if i actually had more time to do so, and i apologize that it isnt
I took over the implemetation from who originally started it to fix a majority of issues that were found during testing
I didnt really realise that the extra spawndata stuff was a thing tbh, so thats why its not there

[upper vapor]

That we dont give them a headsup with "in 2 days your things break, have fun"
an update notice is kinda a notice to prepare though

[harsh thorn]

well, they have 0 clue what to expect until they get the build

(funnily enough they didnt even know the update happened until it happened)

there will be a hotfix for the discord reporting not working
So the labapi team can probably accomodate some stuff in regards to fake syncing

[upper vapor]

bruh

[plain gazelle]

-# help im so confused. why is scale syncing done with scale messages, role syncing done with an event, and god knows what for position and rotation, waaaaaa

[celest thorn]

but you've seen how broken shit was

[unique crane]

(I am working on a fix for the rolesync thingy)

[harsh thorn]

In an idea scenario we'd be able to provide a client without the changes that they would be interested in
But that wasnt possible either due to things already having been merged

[unique crane]

so you can add the extra data

at least some temporary quick solution

[plain gazelle]

-# position? .w.

[restive turret]

There's nothing as permanent as a temporary solution.

[celest thorn]

i think saying "cheaters are bad and can cheat faster before release" is just a way to set back the entire community for just some dickeheads

[grand flower]

If you're able to keep that in mind for future updates that would be nice

[unique crane]

No, the extra role data

[grand flower]

Cause like

[unique crane]

That some roles requires

[harsh thorn]

I'd love to
Just couldnt this time due to other important fixes

[unique crane]

such as MTF

049-2

[grand flower]

Yeah fair enough

[plain gazelle]

oki

[restive turret]

spectators

[unique crane]

spectators

[grand flower]

It's something that would take some planning and all

For the future

[restive turret]

david

as a role

[hearty shard]

what does 0492 require

of info

[restive turret]

health

[plain gazelle]

-# how do i send custom position info help

[grand flower]

Zombie health iirc

[unique crane]

Sync max health and confirmation box

[restive turret]

ye exactl

you literally checked how exiled did it no?

[unique crane]

What?

[restive turret]

that to eve

[celest thorn]

i don't open exiled src from like 2 months

[restive turret]

and not even the game scr too

[celest thorn]

i have a git for that lol

and i open it daily

[hearty shard]

a year ago maybe

[signal steeple]

I understand that there's nothing but good intent behind this decision, I just have to question whether it's the right move here.

I've been here for a very long time and update day is always the most stressful day of my month as someone with a large codebase. I think @celest thorn said it well here:

i think saying "cheaters are bad and can cheat faster before release" is just a way to set back the entire community for just some dickeheads
It just, frankly, seems like the wrong move to make every developer's day stressful when updates come out. Many of us have entire communities flaming us for plugins not working when we had no time to prepare. Cheaters will cheat and the best course of action is to put more time into measures to make it difficult, not delay the inevitable and catch honest plugin devs in the crossfire.

Don't worry about these rolesync changes in particular from this update, I appreciate the apology on that and I'll wait patiently for the fix. I don't expect every update to be perfect, it would just be nice to be at least aware of these issues in advance of our public servers being updated.

[celest thorn]

Honestly i was screamed today for the update but in a hour everything was fixed

[unique crane]

Will yall be fine with temporary solution as List<byte> to add the spoofed public role data payload?

[celest thorn]

(not the waypoint toy)

[unique crane]

Or if anyone can think of anything better

[signal steeple]

Yeah this one wasn't too bad for me either, just the role sync stuff caused a bit of headache. I'm more referring to the general update case where it could have been much worse lol.

It's more about setting a precedent imo, not about this specific update

[celest thorn]

yea there were cases destroying entire stuff

[signal steeple]

I can recall one time where we were explicitly given a client build early (not a public beta) and it was the smoothest update I've ever had

[celest thorn]

with labapi this is less

so atleast that

[restive turret]

pass the writer?

[celest thorn]

it was before 14?

[restive turret]

Action<NetworkWriter> onRoleInfo

or smth

[signal steeple]

yeah it was a long time ago

I remember praising Ender for it haha

[upper vapor]

what if we can set the _role on the RoleSyncInfo with a constructor

and use the template

kinda fucky but eh

[celest thorn]

if i remember

[unique crane]

Like right now what I have is this

(please dont kill me)

With just spoofed data being prepended to the rolesyncinfo

[celest thorn]

and i think it could be even useful for NW in general for example we found already some bugs like Waypoint Toy strech that could've been fixed with release

in the first hour of use of the build

[upper vapor]

networkwriter instead perhaps?

much easier to manage

[unique crane]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Like get a pooled one, let you write into it and then rewrite it into the actual writer?

yea thats good

[harsh thorn]

That's fair
I decided against the client builds simply to keep the element of surprise for them (to dumb it down), sure it might not matter, or it might matter, its always a guess
Personally i didn't imagine there being too many issues with the sync stuff, as like i said the fact that it wants extra data was not something i realized
We tested it with plugins to an extent, but i guess not good enough

Like i said, it may be possible the future to give a "preview" client build in cases like this to help you with testing, but prevent cheaters from getting funny thing early
However it does depend on what changes are made
As when changes that happen on both server, client, and other stuff it becomes complicated to make a separated build, as sometimes things just need to be uptodate

In this case a lot of changes were involved on a lot of fronts (and things that were already merged), so doing that would have also been a massive headache

[restive turret]

prob as I said
-# There's nothing as permanent as a temporary solution.
tbh no idea how would you solve this without rewriting the whole thing

[unique crane]

Yeah

I like ax's idea

at least its not so shitty as a byte list

[celest thorn]

I know you guys want to protect the general public, but bro cheaters in a hour have the decompiled SL (c++ code) already there and sucking up all of the possible exploit

[unique crane]

[restive turret]

i said the exactly same

😭

[harsh thorn]

im not talking about game code

[celest thorn]

i mean so to just update cheats?

in general?

[harsh thorn]

game != ac

[celest thorn]

So i probably missed the point then

with "funny things early", you mean scrape off the src from possible leak?

[harsh thorn]

no, start poking ac

[celest thorn]

so i was right for the AC

[harsh thorn]

the AC is what exists to attempt to hit them with a bat, beit with detecting the cheat, or spoofers, whatever
giving them that early, helps them

while you could ask, why not give us build with older AC
in some cases that isnt really possible

[plain gazelle]

I found
viewer.ConnectionToClient.Send(new FpcPositionOverrideMessage());
or
viewer.ConnectionToClient.Send(new FpcPositionMessage());
But in neither i can find anything to reference whose position it is, or anything like that. Trying to base it off of my previous knowledge from SyncedScaleMessages but this is so different again.

[celest thorn]

yea that makes sense

i just hope this will be reviewed because cheaters are just a small amount compared on the general community that needs them to make content and make sure the game stays alive

i don't think this game survives with vanilla server but modded

and i think a great step for this game was LabAPI for modding and i will always love LabAPI

[harsh thorn]

It is ofcourse a thing to note down for future considerations
Ofcourse there could still be cases where we might not be able to release a client build, for whatever reasoning we may have when that time comes

I can look into doing something like i mentioned before, providing a build not containing the changes that cheaters are interested in
But letting you play until the real client releases

whenever we do something like this again (cheat breaky break)

[celest thorn]

I think its a great solution, i would love to see this and i think just even acknowledging it is a great step for everyone, thank you for even answering me and Cyn on the questions because its amazing seeing that there's care <3

[signal steeple]

Yeah the sync stuff wasn't too bad, managed to work around it and get things running smoothly again 🙂

My argument is more for setting the precedent to always include a client build, regardless of if the changes are anticipated to be majorly breaking or not. As I said, I personally think delaying the update with the sole intent to delay cheats being created is majorly outweighed by the stress put on the community devs.

Any type of preview build concept in the future would be amazing. Respectfully, that idea has been floating around for years and has yet to be acted on, so I can't help feeling like that'll never come around. If this idea could get even a little more discussion behind the scenes it would be appreciated by every dev here ❤️

Thanks ced for the transparency on this.

[celest thorn]

(and i love breaking the game alot)

[unique crane]

):

[celest thorn]

:3

you know its fun

when you see stuff that isn't supposed to be there

[upper vapor]

Player::Crash methods

[celest thorn]

you shit on the game

and then continue on with your life

[unique crane]

You shit on me 😭

[celest thorn]

for example who was the smart ass inside nw who decided to make lightweight take you fall damage

lol

thats so stupid

[unique crane]

I SAW THAT REACTION

[celest thorn]

nah i would never <3

[upper vapor]

misclick

[celest thorn]

LOL

[upper vapor]

pressed enter too soon

sorry

[hearty shard]

ax is laughing too much

[unique crane]

Ax im putting a magnet on you

[upper vapor]

this is not jump boost like in minecraft

[celest thorn]

Its STUPID

bro

[upper vapor]

NO

[celest thorn]

im giving the effect

and i kill someone

[upper vapor]

i'm gonna attract all the gold

[celest thorn]

🤓 You cannot

[signal steeple]

Now back to trying to understand why setting my pet dummy into noclip makes him vanish

[unique crane]

I wonder what it does to a protogen

[upper vapor]

i'll use whatever they used in the movie

[celest thorn]

Putting a pin on his head for nw snipers

[plain gazelle]

Dont think it is possible

[celest thorn]

i think they die?

[upper vapor]

confusion

[unique crane]

I do not want that

I hope it doesnt kill him

[celest thorn]

like imagine getting slamed with a fucking magnet at full power and your organs inside moving with ti

[upper vapor]

duality of man
✅ misery
✅ haha

[celest thorn]

(i know its graphic)

[upper vapor]

you don't know

[unique crane]

Lets find out :3

[upper vapor]

you are not a knower

[true cedar]

put them inside an mri machine

[celest thorn]

duality of humanity
✅ Niztche
✅ Plotinus

Real shit i think Plotinus was fucking under heavy drugs, when writing his ideas

[upper vapor]

i need that actually

cuz it's expensive

but i'll take it for free

[upper vapor]

what

[celest thorn]

you should be happy you don't know

[upper vapor]

i thought you turned german for a sec

[celest thorn]

trust me

[unique crane]

Wait can I do this or will it just die

Unity takes too long to reload

[celest thorn]

hope you never read any of his books

[upper vapor]

i don't read books

[celest thorn]

of both of them

one was drugged the other one was depressed

[celest thorn]

i mean its philosophy so you have to

[upper vapor]

is this uh

uhhhhhh

UM

[unique crane]

wait

[upper vapor]

interesting

[unique crane]

wrong writer

[upper vapor]

yeah xd

[celest thorn]

just write

[true cedar]

writer.Write(writer)

[unique crane]

this

[celest thorn]

writer.Write(write).Write(write)

[upper vapor]

Unsafe unsafe = Unsafe.getUnsafe(); ahh

[true cedar]

huh

if (writer != null)

[celest thorn]

yea i was about to say

[unique crane]

fuck wrong property again

[true cedar]

great work

[hearty shard]

david

[celest thorn]

AHAHHAHAAH

[unique crane]

But the question is

[true cedar]

nw really hires the best of the best

[unique crane]

can I write into a writer with another writer

[celest thorn]

Nw moment

[upper vapor]

yes

[unique crane]

Good

[true cedar]

yea

[unique crane]

thats what I wanted to know

[true cedar]

but do u want to write it with the length

[celest thorn]

yea honestly they should make the game open source probably this game would be more perfomant

[upper vapor]

youc an just give us the writer directly

[thin shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/895670049417854997/1402024714909651036/2025-08-04_22-24-33.mp4?ex=689268c4&is=68911744&hm=335156861a2a511cd7629b8d44690c9eb980a6990830fe9fce1b3b0046c2913e&

guys what do you thinks of this new command :3

[unique crane]

I sentence you to another 5 years of upkeeping ruels framework

[true cedar]

ruei

get it right

[unique crane]

Never

Ill rename it

[true cedar]

its a PUN

[celest thorn]

i will send you back to the darkest pit of hubert's basement

i cast you there

[true cedar]

ui

rue

ruei

[unique crane]

Thats it

@mods

Fire

[celest thorn]

Crazy

the snipers

[upper vapor]

PUNch whoever gets it wrong next

[celest thorn]

hubert probably has a blacklist of people to snipe and im one of them including the cheaters, gbanned, people that like people not of age (The internet is not a safe place)

[true cedar]

god that reminds me i need to fuckin

finish ruei

[unique crane]

Imagine

[upper vapor]

NO WHERE IS THE HUBERT BASEMENT STICKER

[unique crane]

if

There was PooledList<T> class

[upper vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/949413986456203374.webp?size=160&quality=lossless

[unique crane]

Never!

Ax

[upper vapor]

imagine

[unique crane]

Kill him

[upper vapor]

if people knew wtf that was

[true cedar]

them

[upper vapor]

define "him"

[unique crane]

he said he doesnt like micro nano mili optimalization

sorry

they

kill paislee

[celest thorn]

imagine if you end up in the hubert's basement

/kill @e

my connection today sucks ass

[upper vapor]

that kills the rats

[upper vapor]

yeah can we actually uh

use spans

:3

[celest thorn]

oh you wanna see my latest creation

[true cedar]

if u kill me

u uh

[upper vapor]

no ruei v3

[true cedar]

u lose

[upper vapor]

-# i won't use it

[celest thorn]

https://ratcentral.is-a-good.site/🐀/zazkc5sd.png

I call it rat

[true cedar]

wow

why not

[upper vapor]

elongated muskrat

[unique crane]

Where

[upper vapor]

everywhere

[celest thorn]

its a giant rat its big as a player

like same size

[true cedar]

does UR hint framework support hint parameters and batching nand

[unique crane]

Yeah but like where

[worn gull]

How can I get which key is the player set to a setting?

[upper vapor]

no but i don't need it to

[true cedar]

shit

[celest thorn]

honestly it would be cool

[upper vapor]

i have 2 hint frameworks even

[celest thorn]

to see the keybind

[true cedar]

two??

[upper vapor]

similar but not the same

[unique crane]

You cant

[upper vapor]

yea

they're both private

[worn gull]

Oh okay

Then why is this a thing?

ServerSpecificSettingsSync.TryGetSettingOfUser(_player.ReferenceHub, ability.KeyId, out SSKeybindSetting setting);
                Log.Info(setting.AssignedKeyCode);```

[upper vapor]

SSKeybindHintParameter

[upper vapor]

that's for the client

[unique crane]

Yeah you can use SSKeybindParameter

[restive turret]

are you en integration?

[worn gull]

Oh okay

[true cedar]

what

[worn gull]

thanks

[upper vapor]

np

[upper vapor]

worst joke incoming

[restive turret]

:(

i just let you figure it out then

[true cedar]

what is en integration

[upper vapor]

"because you fit very well with everything"

am i correct or am i not correct

[celest thorn]

you know sometimes i wonder when you will stop with jokes

[upper vapor]

probably "an integration"

[restive turret]

never

[upper vapor]

NUH UHHH

[celest thorn]

yea in french is translated like that

[restive turret]

only thing i can do is making jokes while i suffer

[celest thorn]

im sorry but you are a furry so i reject your opinion

in this case

[unique crane]

Woah

[celest thorn]

FUCKING CONNECTION BEING SLOW

[unique crane]

Poor ax

He did nothing wrong

[true cedar]

wow

[celest thorn]

read under

[restive turret]

r u e i

are you __ intergation

didnt think fast for an e stuff

[true cedar]

what the fuck r u saying'

[celest thorn]

i fucking hate my connection

[unique crane]

italian wifi

[true cedar]

good.

[celest thorn]

I LIVE IN THE WOODS THERE'S NOTHING NEAR ME

[upper vapor]

i'm sorry for having a hobby that i very rarely even talk about with people who don't share that interest
"in this case" bruh

stupid reasoning but okay

[true cedar]

#cantrelate

[upper vapor]

yeah you send furry stuff in all channels don't you

[celest thorn]

I will answer from my phone because my connection is dying but NO

i get sent furry shit in my fucking website

[worn gull]

How can I use it?

[celest thorn]

And thats why i will never fucking make public what people send me

[worn gull]

new SSKeybindHintParameter(ability.KeyId) gives me again nothing

[plain gazelle]

Since noone answered me i tried that Copilot thingy but it only gave me code that doesnt even work, cool

[upper vapor]

i was answering pai

[hearty shard]

thats crazy

[upper vapor]

slejm where is your think twice bunny

[true cedar]

well

[celest thorn]

Don’t comment please

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-your-fault-it's-85-percent-your-fault-dwight-schrute-the-office-rainn-wilson-gif-3924084423598844264

[celest thorn]

Thats true

[true cedar]

if u count excessively using :3 as furry stuff then yeah absolutely

[celest thorn]

And i should make an ai detection for that so i don’t even see it

[celest thorn]

Don’t check my dms with maro then

[upper vapor]

i don't think that counts
like

maybe 20%

[unique crane]

Thats fineeee

[celest thorn]

Honestly :3 is more cute and more feminine

[upper vapor]

david you are 20% furry then
if my calculations are correct

[celest thorn]

Than being connected to a furry

[unique crane]

yipee

wait what

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/tobey-maguire-spider-man-tobey-maguire-spider-man-venom-symbiotic-spiderman-peter-parker-spider-man-getting-rid-of-venom-gif-18358021594227010941

[upper vapor]

"more cute"
"more feminine"

[upper vapor]

what

[unique crane]

nothin

[celest thorn]

Bro i love being fem :3

[unique crane]

We are NOT making this a femboy chat

[celest thorn]

NAH

[upper vapor]

not my thing but go for it

[edgy shuttle]

Hi plugin devs!!!

[upper vapor]

just

[slender lynx]

avg sl chat

[upper vapor]

not here

[celest thorn]

Yamato chat

[restive turret]

oops wrong one

[celest thorn]

I mean after 1k hours you become like that

[upper vapor]

real 😔

[slender lynx]

now add 7.5k more

[unique crane]

No way Whimza has arrived

[true cedar]

dude its the plugin dev chat

[plain gazelle]

noonne is responding to my issue ,_,

[celest thorn]

You are an exception

You have same amount of hours of hubert in this game

[edgy shuttle]

Unfortunately I’m not Development so I’m of no help

[slender lynx]

what was the issue

[celest thorn]

Idk skibidi toilet

[edgy shuttle]

👋

[slender lynx]

i could see it

[restive turret]

@upper vapor I have too many cats pics

[plain gazelle]

How to fake position
I have Player 1: The viewer
and Player 2: The Dummy

I want to change the Dummys position only for Player 1

I get told stuff like "FpcServerPositionDistributor does that"
or "Its possible with viewer.ConnectionToClient.Send()"
But noone ever elaborated so no clue what im supposed to do

[upper vapor]

find the

[celest thorn]

Helo i don’t know what you do but you are some nw employee and i know you get paid 0.0000000001c

[upper vapor]

c as in

[slender lynx]

@celest thorn unsure if this is possible\

[mild ice]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-gif-26020988

[celest thorn]

Cents

[celest thorn]

Are you making dummies?

[celest thorn]

If thats the case then you should verify them server side their movement

[upper vapor]

slejm vs lucid cat battle

[celest thorn]

You can see an example on PlayerFollow

[plain gazelle]

I have a custom made Dummy (that doesnt show up in the N or RA list)

[upper vapor]

check how WriteAll works
in that GetNewSyncData

[celest thorn]

Hmm but still they need to be auth like so and they need to be treated by the game

[celest thorn]

^ this or else you just Set the RequestedPosition

[plain gazelle]

I checked all the methods but they all go deep into networking and bits and mirror and squidward on a unicycle and im just lost

[upper vapor]

xdd

look at where it gets the position

ctrl+f

[plain gazelle]

-# ??????????

[upper vapor]

position

[harsh thorn]

the closest you'd get is dedicatedserver instancemode

[celest thorn]

FpcMotor::DesiredMove

I think its far easier

[celest thorn]

yea

And you can check the example of dummy follower

Its not really what you want but i think you can give it a try

[hearty shard]

i dont think that fakes a position

[upper vapor]

oh wait

[mild ice]

(He won't win)

[upper vapor]

it's joever

[celest thorn]

no

[upper vapor]

they need it for one client only

oh gosh

oh flip

[celest thorn]

I don’t think thats even possible or atleast without headache

Because relative position is the main

[hearty shard]

just send the different data

[restive turret]

I cant find the bunny pics

[celest thorn]

But its not like magic

[warped prairie]

can confirm slej will win. he knows little bounds

[harsh thorn]

what do they mean with faking position

like lying to clients where someone is?

lying to everyone, lying to specific clients

,etc

[celest thorn]

A client sees someone there but the other in another position

For the dummy

[harsh thorn]

afaik the only option really is to patch GetNewSyncData

[plain gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/scpsl-scp-secret-lab-scp-secret-laboratory-going-insane-insane-gif-27187057

[harsh thorn]

or the distributor itself but idk if youd be happy to prefix that, or transpile it

cuz getnewsyncdata contains the receiver and the target

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-losing-my-grip-on-reality-i-have-gone-clinically-insane-my-descent-to-madness-is-complete-ive-gone-completely-mental-i-am-beyond-the-point-of-no-return-gif-23191724

[unique crane]

@plain gazelle What exactly are you doing

[harsh thorn]

so you can easily check if your target is the dummy and the receiver is whoever you wantto fake it for

[unique crane]

maybe there is far easier solution to that than faking position

[plain gazelle]

Fake scale is so easy and all i want is the dummy to touch the ground with its feet no matter what scale it is, so i have to fake its y position too but apparently THAT is too hard to do or sth

@unique crane that^
Fake scale with always touching the ground

[unique crane]

in the first place

[harsh thorn]

and simply return a syncdata that mimicks where you want to be

[unique crane]

But they always touch the ground... when you scale them...

[celest thorn]

Me everytime you make a joke

[unique crane]

tf you mean no

[plain gazelle]

It scales from their.. hip i think?

[unique crane]

No, form their feet

I think no?

[upper vapor]

player's anchor is (0,1,0) from the ground
so if you scale the player
their feet will go in the ground or float

[unique crane]

Oh you know what you can do

Set their gravity to higher values

[upper vapor]

that's why you need + Vector3.up when teleporting to a room

[celest thorn]

Crazy idea making custom faces

Like gmod

Imagine you can make sl creepypasta

Lol

Face editor

[restive turret]

I'm the joke

[unique crane]

True

[celest thorn]

Nah don’t make yourself the joke you are better than this

[unique crane]

@plain gazelle try this

[plain gazelle]

I can screenshare the issue im having

[upper vapor]

emotion scared is not good enough 😭

[celest thorn]

No

[unique crane]

I get the issue

[celest thorn]

I want more

[unique crane]

just try that

Im not really available right now

[celest thorn]

.emotion mouthopen

[unique crane]

sorry

[restive turret]

.emotion sleepy

[celest thorn]

.emotion creepypasta

[restive turret]

But you talking here!

[upper vapor]

that's not client side in 3rd person though

[restive turret]

Ye thats exactly what we had the issue

[celest thorn]

Where is it?

the method

@plain gazelle you remove code

and you do magic

because game isn't supposed to do that

so you do ✨ magic ✨

[edgy shuttle]

I’m the feedback manager and Patreon supervisor :D

[celest thorn]

Hello nice job, ig, is it fun?

reading the stupid feedback of people?

(i know you get stupid feedback)

@upper vapor thats because Melon used it at the time and everyone decided to use it

@plain gazelle TRUST ME ITS THE BEST THING

ESPECIALLY TRANSPILERS

YOU WILL LOVE THEM

i can hear you

bro

[plain gazelle]

i dont wanna patch

[celest thorn]

lol

[edgy shuttle]

I like it yeah

[celest thorn]

Nice, btw cute doggo you have there :3

i love doggies

[edgy shuttle]

He got bread

Not my actual dog

[celest thorn]

fr

happy doggo

[celest thorn]

my doggo she is always so happy :3

(i have a pitbull, she is so cute :3)

[celest thorn]

I know they are so cute, the breeder where i bought her, cut her ears

[unique crane]

Birbs are better

[celest thorn]

I need to disagree i had a neighbor with them i wanted to cook those bastards

I never heard something so annoying in my life

[celest thorn]

Bird hiding

[unique crane]

birb

[celest thorn]

About to be cooked

[unique crane]

):

[hearty shard]

hide davids corpse

[celest thorn]

Nah poor bird

[celest thorn]

Wtf

How do you get to that conclusion

From a bird

Whats the thought process

[unique crane]

she doesnt have one

[celest thorn]

She has thoughts?

[plain gazelle]

@unique crane you should please add a way to send someone custom positioning data of someone else so i dont have to learn patching pretty please

[static meteor]

Harmony is easy

[unique crane]

Yeah

and you will need it either way

[static meteor]

Prefix and postfix are easy transpilers are a bit more complex

[celest thorn]

Bro put the fries inside harmony

[celest thorn]

I love transpilers

[harsh thorn]

i dont

[celest thorn]

We know thanks to cedmod

[unique crane]

transpliers ptsd

[tulip kiln]

Is there a way to bring back the original way this worked? Hunter's Atlas was a way for SCP-106 to travel between levels on my server and now I have to change it 😭

[celest thorn]

Cedric if you want for free i can do them

[celest thorn]

No clientside

[unique crane]

Prob clientside too

[tulip kiln]

Unfortunate

[harsh thorn]

you know, i made a patch specially use a transpiler (chatgpt is quite good at helping with them)
specifically so i didnt break the exiled event because it was placed in that method for some fucking reason

smh

[celest thorn]

Chatgpt is good with them?

[unique crane]

Yeah it is

[celest thorn]

Always made mistakes wtf

[unique crane]

I use it for transpliers too

[harsh thorn]

if you ask it the right questions

and give it the nessecary info

[celest thorn]

You guys are just vibe coding

[harsh thorn]

hell no

[true cedar]

il is honestly not that hard u guys should just learn it rahhhh

[celest thorn]

Its so easy

[harsh thorn]

it cant just give you a transpiler, that wont work
its like asking it to write a plugin

[random scaffold]

someone make protected loader with 100+ checks and loading the plugins in memory with decryptor from website

[harsh thorn]

but why do that
when i can use a prefix instead

[random scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-blue-archive-kiyosumi-akira-cute-cutecutecutecutecute-gif-2165316117835791871

[harsh thorn]

me when i harmony patch the load function and save the dll to a file

[slate flume]

I've been writing transpilers by hand like a nerd

[random scaffold]

bruh

[celest thorn]

Because i can do cool stuff and not break everything

[harsh thorn]

cuz c# is c#, making an effective DRM for c# things running in c# with unsrestricted access to the process is hell

[celest thorn]

Me too

[restive turret]

Well ye ofc

[slate flume]

I'm actually very proud of my transpilers

[restive turret]

It is, just use nativeaot

[slate flume]

They've been working between major updates

[restive turret]

Oh nvm unity skill issue

[harsh thorn]

i was about to say

[celest thorn]

Honestly guys lets all embrace transpilers

[unique crane]

Prefix and postfix is still more user friendly

[restive turret]

iirc sbox devs made somewhat the code their own sandbox (HAHA what a nice joke!)

[celest thorn]

We don’t write code but just transpilers

[slate flume]

Once you get used to them, transpilers are 🔥

But they also suck

Takes so much work

[harsh thorn]

the most i'd do with a transpiler is replace a method call with my own method call

[celest thorn]

Everytime i write trans pilers my iphone wants to replace it with trans flag

[tulip kiln]

I hate Tr**spilers and I hate EXILED by proxy because my Prefixes break EXILED events

[celest thorn]

Hahahahahahaa

[celest thorn]

Transpilers are so goated

[harsh thorn]

just use labapi bro

[slate flume]

Just don't use exiled

Ez fix

[celest thorn]

Fr

[restive turret]

And you think IL in rider show exactly how it is, we compared it and your code wasnt working when patching Vector3 +-

[celest thorn]

Labapi begter

[tulip kiln]

I do. People that commission me don't

[slate flume]

Crazy work

What is the benefit of using exiled in today's economy

[harsh thorn]

the only benefit is when the labapi doesnt have the api you need and you dont want to make it yourself

[slate flume]

LabAPI is pretty great now

[harsh thorn]

imo

[celest thorn]

Nw doesn’t pay enough

[restive turret]

Custom ehh all those have already implemented things

[slate flume]

Well I make pretty much everything myself anyways :)

I have only 3 plugins I use that aren't mine

[slate flume]

SecretAPI, Harmony, and CedMod

[restive turret]

I use my own plugins

[celest thorn]

I sadly have
Cedmod
Atoh

And meow

[harsh thorn]

cedmod my beloved

[slate flume]

Oh I forgot

Make it 4 then

[celest thorn]

Cedmod not breaking my shit speedrun

[slate flume]

I use that too

[restive turret]

cedmod constantly throwing errors on console

[harsh thorn]

[celest thorn]

No i use meoweditor my editor

[restive turret]

[harsh thorn]

[celest thorn]

Cedmod throwing thousands of errors

[slate flume]

I have no idea how to do Hints and SSSS outside of others' APIs

[celest thorn]

For not connecting

[harsh thorn]

that is intentional

[slate flume]

I've heard it's a nightmare

So I don't even go there