plugins-dev-chat

[grand flower]

And I'm the one reviewing code

[upper vapor]

well, crap

[grand flower]

Whatever you fancy, just my two cents heh

[hearty shard]

would you make this into a curly brackets!!

[upper vapor]

yea

[upper vapor]

they would

also, me when params IEnumerable<CustomSetting> settings

C# 13 go brr

it's better to keep it this way though, removing the former would be breaking

[grand flower]

Acceptable IMO

[upper vapor]

😭😭

[grand flower]

You're just forwarding a call to another, no assignment

[spare zodiac]

what would gravity do in the context though? Having like rigidbody on one leg making it fall would be fire, just don't know how would I synchronize it if it's even possible

[upper vapor]

youcan't

[grand flower]

Not possible

[upper vapor]

okay

[spare zodiac]

shaize

[grand flower]

Welcome to SL where you can't do anything fun

Enjoy your stay

[upper vapor]

*scheiße

[spare zodiac]

been like this multiple months

[grand flower]

Been at it for three months and I'm about ready to drop it

[spare zodiac]

textures on primitives 🗣️

[spare zodiac]

2 years here

[upper vapor]

rookie numbers

[celest thorn]

4 thousands years

[grand flower]

2 years of SL modding?

[spare zodiac]

but also can I then synchronize gameObject positions on clients like ragdolls, doors etc.

[grand flower]

Ehhhh yes and no

[celest thorn]

i have 5

[spare zodiac]

ye and 2 before

[grand flower]

Depends on the stuff but there's a lot of limitations with SL

[spare zodiac]

of playing only the game

[grand flower]

I only joined SL modding to help a server I like playing on

Not my favorite game to mod, if anything it's torture

[spare zodiac]

yep

[upper vapor]

:33333

[spare zodiac]

alzo

[grand flower]

Unlikely

Ragdolls are a bit finnicky in how they're networked

[upper vapor]

the answer is no
you can modify the position of the root object but not children

[celest thorn]

Its fun for that

[grand flower]

Doors and stuff you'll run into issues

We have a different definition of fun

[spare zodiac]

fuuuck

[upper vapor]

oh boy

[celest thorn]

I love doors

[grand flower]

On top of the modding issues there's just so many questionable design decisions that just make it even worse

[grand flower]

RELATIVE POSITIONING MY BEHATED

[spare zodiac]

imagine synchronizing the position of it and making it possible to move them around

[grand flower]

[incorrect buzzer]

[celest thorn]

I fixed that

:3

[grand flower]

Yeah the fix is called why the fuck is that even a thing

[spare zodiac]

the broken doors

[celest thorn]

SCP Sl 12.0

go there

and before that

[grand flower]

Nah I'm good

[celest thorn]

trust me the game was unplayable

every few seconds outside of the map

[hearty shard]

is it really an issue?

[grand flower]

There's just so many better ways to do what they "solved" with it

It's dumb

Like

[hearty shard]

i mean ik you have to spawn a door or smth nearby

but in the future therell be a toy for it

[grand flower]

Kudos on the... creative solution

[celest thorn]

i mean i solved it in a way different than nw

and it actually works

[grand flower]

But it's a bad solution

[spare zodiac]

is it like possible for NW to make it possible of deleting object we want and synchronizing it with the client, so we could delete one wall?

[celest thorn]

the desync report went from 90% to 105

[upper vapor]

they could've sovled it with player parenting smh

[grand flower]

Because it's a performance hog and just very limiting

They don't need parenting

If you're on a moving gameobject just mark it as the player base

[royal mica]

What is the goal of the relative positioning btw?

[upper vapor]

what

[grand flower]

The player's position is now relative to that gameobject, job done

Player gets off, recalculate back to world position

You're on an elevator

[upper vapor]

that's exactly what parenting would solve

[grand flower]

Parenting is ass

You're gonna cause a ton of issues

[celest thorn]

Parenting means alot of stuff

which is perfect

[grand flower]

You don't parent, you take into account the player's movement base and use it when calculating and checking movement

[celest thorn]

i can do cool stuff

[grand flower]

Items and all sure, parent them

[celest thorn]

parent the player to a moving platform

[spare zodiac]

I tried using parenting for adrenaline to centrifuge, it ended up spawning in table sometimes

[grand flower]

Not players

Like

Give me an hour and I'd have a working elevator I can step on and off of with 100+ ping, with zero issues

[upper vapor]

i use "mountables" and the player can move just fine with a simple CharacterController.Move even if the platform is moving at 160 km/h

[grand flower]

Because other game engines have that solved and use the same solution (mostly)

[upper vapor]

for elevators mostly

and to reduce network load

[celest thorn]

WAIT ITS POSSIBLE TO MOVE PLAYER ON TOP OF A PLATFORM?

[grand flower]

Reduce network load is a cope they came up with to make it "worth it"

[upper vapor]

not in SL

[grand flower]

No offense to NW

[upper vapor]

yet

[celest thorn]

;(

[grand flower]

But well yes offense for creating relative positioning

:[

[grand flower]

Meanwhile games with 64+ players per server where every networked position uses doubles

[upper vapor]

[grand flower]

Like, in SL's case, useless

The amount of stuff that's a byte because of performance is stupid and limiting

The game wasn't built with modding in mind and it shows

[upper vapor]

what approach do they use if not parenting?
like, the movement vector is based on the "parent"?

"parent" as given by the server but not actually parented

[grand flower]

Your position becomes relative to the base

As long as the server agrees with you hopping on the new base, you're good then

Makes moving platforms pretty simple and smooth to the players

[upper vapor]

but how does the player calculate the position they need to be in?
after all transforms have been updated?

[grand flower]

They do it relative to the base

It doesn't matter where the base is

All that matters is your movement on said base

Same as moving in the world except the origin is now the base

When the server sends back the movement results for you to check/correct if wrong, it'll be relative to the base

So regardless of where the base is, if your position on it is correct, no problem

[upper vapor]

and if the base moves, the position has to be recalculated, is that done after all bases' positions have been updated?
otherwise there would be a slight delay, or at least a frame skipped

[grand flower]

You're not parented to it but your movement follows the base

[upper vapor]

yea, when

[grand flower]

Since your position is relative to it

The base moving doesn't matter

I kinda see what you're asking, I think movement updates are done after regular ticks

Either way, before or after wouldn't matter

[upper vapor]

yep, that would make sense

[grand flower]

You wouldn't notice it

[upper vapor]

i mean if you have something moving at 160 km/h

though you probably wouldn't hop on that base

[grand flower]

Yeah

Unless the base is synchronized perfectly on the client

In that scenario you'd implement rollback capabilities

To be able to tell where the base was at that time

But also: why is the base moving at that speed in the first place lol

[upper vapor]

yep

[grand flower]

Easy to do for elevators

You know when it started

You know the time it takes to get to where it needs to go

As long as your movement timestamp matches the one used for the elevator, the server will be able to revert the elevator back to where it was when you stepped on it

[upper vapor]

animation evaulation is easy, yeah
for nondeterministic objects you could use a circular buffer on every tick mayhaps

or just eliminate ping

[grand flower]

Depending on the game just make it lenient

[upper vapor]

[grand flower]

Don't make it piss easy for cheaters

But don't make the experience ass for normal players

[spare zodiac]

guys do you think of think?

[royal mica]

i hate thinking

[spare zodiac]

same bro

that's why I think about thininking

because you than don't think about thinking

[winged nebula]

How can I know if the plugins are working on my server now? Because when I add plugins, nothing shows up in the config folder related to the mods, and yes, I did everything correctly.

[hearty shard]

Did you install plugins made for labapi

or nwapi

or exiled

And did you put them in SCP Secret Laboratory/LabAPI/plugins

[winged nebula]

Exiled but which is better? I’ve been playing the game for a long time, but I only recently created my own server and am now trying to install plugins.

[hearty shard]

where did you put the plugins

it has to be EXILED/Plugins

[upper vapor]

go to the exiled discord, this server is for LabAPI
you'll also have to install EXILED if you haven't yet, and put the plugins in %appdata%/EXILED/plugins, like eve said

[hearty shard]

also ask in their discord not here

[hearty shard]

yea this ^^

[winged nebula]

But is LabAPI better?

Yesterday it was so complicated that I accidentally deleted my verkey.txt using a bash command. Then the console said I needed to verify again, so I did – but then it said I was already verified. I’ve contacted support now, let’s see what happens.

[hearty shard]

Depends

I use labapi because theres less bloat

but exiled has custom roles and items handled

[winged nebula]

Okey ty

[winged nebula]

Do I have to install all three for LabAPI?

[hearty shard]

ask the dev

[winged nebula]

Ok last question, when I download a plugin now, must I paste it into 7777 or into Global?

[hearty shard]

doesnt matter

[winged nebula]

u sure?

[hearty shard]

if ur running it in ptero it doesnt matter

[pulsar locust]

Either works
Global works regardless of port, if not it has to match port
But also you're running in ptero, global and 7777 are the same

[hearty shard]

^

[winged nebula]

ty

[pulsar locust]

I really wish stock ptero allowed to do mounts inside /home/container

Would mean downloading less duplicate shit

[winged nebula]

yes

[icy knoll]

no

you only need TextChat.dll

[winged nebula]

okey thank u

[icy knoll]

read the readme for information about the other 2

[restive turret]

Read the read me

[icy knoll]

read the read me which is inside of the README.md file which you would find if you read the github documentation which specified that if you make a readable README.md file that the users could read it and learn from your documentation by reading the readable documentation which was located on the README.md file

[restive turret]

Thanks u chatgpt

[icy knoll]

nah i wrote that by hand

lol

[royal mica]

TLDR: RTFM

[pulsar locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1292428881277747286/1384984108211634358/attachment.gif

[hearty shard]

gotta love

[2025-07-16 14:26:16.920 +02:00] [STDOUT] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
[2025-07-16 14:26:16.920 +02:00] [STDOUT] at UnityEngine.Bindings.ThrowHelper.ThrowNullReferenceException (System.Object obj) [0x00018] in <0deee1b9576d40a7a211b55014778fa6>:0
[2025-07-16 14:26:16.920 +02:00] [STDOUT] at UnityEngine.Component.get_transform () [0x00006] in <0deee1b9576d40a7a211b55014778fa6>:0
[2025-07-16 14:26:16.920 +02:00] [STDOUT] at EveLabs.Extensions.PlayerExtensions.SetScale (LabApi.Features.Wrappers.Player player, UnityEngine.Vector3 scale) [0x00006] in <b934ff67f930434ba38b4bc2308f1549>:0

[icy knoll]

i think that means that the reference hub doesn't exist lol

[hearty shard]

it should

i was definitely on the server

its also only a recent issue

and theres 0.1s delay on spawn

so

oh

i had if (isAllowed) return

instead of !isAllowed

[icy knoll]

bruh

[hearty shard]

turns out

if you dont allow scale msg to send

it doesnt work!

well actually it was sending it which was the issue?

idk

i give up trying to understand

[icy knoll]

maybe the event triggered when you spawned as the destroyed role?

idk

[hearty shard]

no it happened on 1 class d role

[icy knoll]

silly guess

[hearty shard]

idk!

this patch in the end doesnt actually do much

since i dont use ScaleController

but does let me prevent basegame change

and eventually ill use basegame when it actually works fine and doesnt cause issues

[random scaffold]

bot offline

nw moment

[static osprey]

https://cdn.itsgamertime.xyz/pictures2/bEpbsL.png

discord moment

[sinful bronze]

dm bot just want to sleep

[random scaffold]

ping 200

oh

[spare zodiac]

is there a way to disable collisions for player with the world other then with no-clip?

[random scaffold]

just crash the client

[spare zodiac]

what?

I need the player to be able to fall through things and turn gravity to 0, zo ye

[languid temple]

@hearty shard ping

[hearty shard]

wat

[languid temple]

you were supposed to say pong...

[hearty shard]

im too tired

[languid temple]

go and eep then

[spare zodiac]

can I possibly do this, by removing some kind of component from their GameObject?

[restive turret]

Removing components doesn't replicate

[spare zodiac]

how does NW do it with noclip?

[hearty shard]

i guess youll never know

[spare zodiac]

wtf

oh it's client sided?

[hearty shard]

yes

[spare zodiac]

fuck

[hearty shard]

pretty sure it gets enabled

then server just goes oh okay

and then stops validating movement

[spare zodiac]

so collisions for player are server side?

[hearty shard]

What

[spare zodiac]

that's just what I got from your message

[hearty shard]

No client sends its position

and server doesnt validate it

because theres no reason to

i think

[spare zodiac]

I guess I'll have to use noclip for this then

[hearty shard]

i cant find it but yeah it should be client side

[hollow pewter]

why

[hearty shard]

duplicate reference or smth

[spare zodiac]

check usings

[hollow pewter]

already readded all the references

[hollow pewter]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber silo]

are you using a publicizer?

[hollow pewter]

yeah

[limber silo]

which one

[hollow pewter]

AssemblyPublicizer

[limber silo]

try using another one

[terse bone]

this one works https://github.com/iRebbok/APublicizer

[limber silo]

try with that one yep

[restive turret]

or if you have newer sdk.

<Reference Include="Assembly-CSharp" Publicize="true" Private="false" />

[hollow pewter]

yeah that fixed it

thx

[unique crane]

You as a client send position to where you want to move towards

server then moves you towards it

and replicates it to other players

when you have noclip enabled

you as client ignore all collisions

and server trust whatever you send him

while you have noclip enabled

[spare zodiac]

So I can patch the message being sent?

[unique crane]

Wdym?

[spare zodiac]

that wouldn't make sense

[spare zodiac]

can I disable the player needing to send positions to server?

like not needing I mean server ignoring him

[unique crane]

Yes you can ignore the requested positions the clients sends you

but that will cause desync

[spare zodiac]

so the server is synchronizing it?

ofc it is

so I would have to do the syncing myself then

[unique crane]

Mhm

[spare zodiac]

david how is the method called for receiving position?

[unique crane]

FpcSyncData::TryApply(...)

[hearty shard]

david

are you real

im starting to place doubt on it

[unique crane]

No im on another plane of numbers

[spare zodiac]

danke

finally can implement player collisions

[royal mica]

Anyone a lovely idea how to slap the server to not do this and /kill @p

[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at UnityEngine.Bindings.ThrowHelper.ThrowNullReferenceException (System.Object obj) [0x00018] in <0deee1b9576d40a7a211b55014778fa6>:0
[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at UnityEngine.CharacterController.get_radius () [0x00006] in <80561691956e42ebafb647fbf7695776>:0
[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FpcStateProcessor.UpdateMovementState (PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.PlayerMovementState state) [0x00075] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FirstPersonMovementModule.UpdateMovement () [0x0000d] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.PlayableScps.Scp173.Scp173MovementModule.UpdateMovement () [0x00030] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>.invoke_void()
[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at PlayerRoles.FirstPersonControl.FirstPersonMovementModule+<>c.<Init>b__109_0 () [0x0000e] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>.invoke_void()
[2025-07-16 19:41:27.813 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at StaticUnityMethods.Update () [0x00009] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0

[hearty shard]

wtf is going on recently

what plugins are you using

[royal mica]

mine only

[hearty shard]

do you ever use StaticUnityMethods.Update

[royal mica]

just subbed to OnUpdate

[hearty shard]

show the code

[royal mica]

can't

too long

[hearty shard]

screenshot

[royal mica]

Nah

[hearty shard]

ok

!

but uh

try removing it!

if u cant

then try catch it all

[royal mica]

Hmm interesting, cause it kills the unity method and not ours

[hearty shard]

and otherwise if that does not fix it uhhh whoops!

[royal mica]

and I do not see errors regarding our coode

[hearty shard]

thats from my experience

unity is weird sometimes when it errors

like my plugin will error

but then stacktrace to MER

[royal mica]

huh wat

lmao

[hearty shard]

which actually might be C# moment

[royal mica]

well fuck

it is running in 3 different coroutines

[hearty shard]

i cba to find an example but yeah its like
ProjectMER errored with null
but then the null was in my files

[royal mica]

that'll be fun to trycatch

Thank you for the pointer!

[hearty shard]

tbf it COULD be unity / basegame

but every time ive seen that error its been a plugin

but also like ur the 4th to say this issue recently

so it might be basegame

[late sparrow]

can i somehow add a button or something to the UI

[hearty shard]

no...

well

you can do settings menu

[unique crane]

We do not currently provide custom UI modding

But you can use Server Specific Settings

[hearty shard]

david copy cat

[unique crane]

I cant read and write at the same time

and I started writing earlier

[hearty shard]

i didnt know you could do either

[unique crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159010897629548644/1181180083050917910/attachment.gif

[hearty shard]

Oh

Okay

[royal mica]

do not currently provide
currently

[winged nebula]

Is it possible to edit specific SCPs and change the crosshair to a single point? not a cross?

[hearty shard]

what specific scp change

also crosshair isnt server sided

its a client side texture

so no

[winged nebula]

But on other servers, you spawn directly with a single dot as a crosshair if you had a weapon, and, for example, I want to change the cooldown of SCP-3114

[hearty shard]

which cooldown

[winged nebula]

strangulation

[hearty shard]

also im 99% sure thats basegame crosshair

and uhh

for cooldown

if u want it less then prob no

if you want increased youll have to track it urself and handle ProcessAttackRequest from Scp3114Strangle to deny it

[icy knoll]

scp 3114 strangle?

that's client side

ive tried, it's practically impossible without really annoying side effects

[hearty shard]

[icy knoll]

yup

ClientCooldown my beloved

[celest thorn]

Sl is just client

and some things on the server

what you think its on the server

its in the client

whats inside the client instead is in the server

[unique crane]

Its on both xd

[celest thorn]

true

forgot the third case

[hearty shard]

kills u

i didnt actually see any validation for strangle on server side for cooldown

maybe i was blind i didnt rly look that hard

[celest thorn]

i have one of probably the most stupidiest question ever

does someone know how the like dialogue on undertale work

like the sound?

is it generated or its just something that loops?

the "tutututu"

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/danielah05/UndertaleDecomp

[celest thorn]

A DECOMP?

[hearty shard]

ok nvm

• All UNDERTALE-specific assets (graphics, music, etc) would need to be removed from the codebase

do this

[celest thorn]

who tf owns the XBOX version lol

[hearty shard]

can be any version

[unique crane]

imagine having xbox in the first place

[celest thorn]

I had a ps4 before a pc

and i calcualted i spent 8k

from ps3 to ps4

[restive turret]

Xbox version usually means gamepass or from xbox/ms store

[celest thorn]

from 2011 to 2018

[celest thorn]

I have gamepass but undertale is not there

So probably the MS store one?

[restive turret]

Yeah

[celest thorn]

I didn’t know game makers games are easy to decomp usually i decomp unity games / godot games

Which are a pain

[unique crane]

Me when indie game devs doesnt compile in IL2CPP

(modding win)

[grand flower]

Are you self owning yourself

[restive turret]

Me when this is fake (half of the times)

[upper vapor]

it's 1 checkbox

[gilded thicket]

fuckass checkbox

[upper vapor]

who even are you

[gilded thicket]

moul7an0ut

wtf is this question bro 😭

is there a rep system to chat in here? like wassup bro

[upper vapor]

[spare zodiac]

bro is John Exiled

[celest thorn]

Sl should remove that checkbox you know? Everyone happy

And im like 100% pro modding

At the end if the day i bought the game so i can do whatever i want

[grand flower]

The anticheat wouldn't permit it anyway

[celest thorn]

sadly

[grand flower]

Not like it does much

[teal junco]

backwards traveling in time to prevent il2cpp from being invented

[grand flower]

it's a good thing

[teal junco]

yeah probably but its overall impact on my life right now leans negative

[teal junco]

or getting millions of dollars to hire a research team to reverse engineer scp sl

although i could achieve the same with a few thousand dollars.

[celest thorn]

you know that there's already people who did it

and you can ask them

[grand flower]

Blame NW for the lack of modding support

not il2cpp

[celest thorn]

but i think its highly illegal

[celest thorn]

thats true

[teal junco]

hence the million of dollars

[teal junco]

theoretically

if NW wanted to add more modding support

[celest thorn]

they could

[teal junco]

client side specifically

[grand flower]

They could

[teal junco]

what would they do?

[celest thorn]

but cheaters are scary

[grand flower]

They'd get rid of the dogshit anticheat

[celest thorn]

modloader

[grand flower]

and provide a modding framework

[celest thorn]

look at for example Bonelab

internal modloader with their own system for packing

[grand flower]

Granted they pretty much dug themselves in a corner

[celest thorn]

(which is just an assets bundle)

[grand flower]

I doubt SL will ever have clientside mod support

[celest thorn]

with a json

[celest thorn]

end of life

i think thats the only case

[grand flower]

Might as well make your own game with clientside modding support atp

[celest thorn]

when the game is dead or has a last update

[grand flower]

[celest thorn]

Fr

[grand flower]

Won't be good anyway, cause servers won't be able to have clientside mods interact with serverside ones

[celest thorn]

look at mc

there's a way :3

and there's a way with mirror too

:3

so this is fake news to implant in our brains to not give us client side mods

1984

[grand flower]

I meant if SL didn't provide the support

it'd be dog anyway

[celest thorn]

and full of cheating

[teal junco]

i should make a game but im too busy making my projects for sl

[celest thorn]

thats the main concerns

[grand flower]

the anticheat is already useless

not like it'd be a big loss

[celest thorn]

lets be honest it is

[teal junco]

why not? i mean i assume this client side support would be more comprehensive

[celest thorn]

it just slows down cheaters

[grand flower]

I guess you could make custom net messages but like, eh

barely slows them down lol

if even

[celest thorn]

i've never seen someone get banned past the era when the anticheat banned you for stupid stuff like getting stuck in a door

[grand flower]

SL's just not built to be moddable and it's a shame

[celest thorn]

like last time i've seen a cheater spinbotting for almost 30 minutes and he left as soon as he saw us

so banned with proof but no auth token to get him global banned

[grand flower]

i hate the whole custom auth stuff

central servers and all

[celest thorn]

nah they are cool

[grand flower]

they're useless

a point of failure

and a frequent one

[celest thorn]

honestly

the only complain i have mostly is the way they ban cheaters

it should be easier to do

[grand flower]

wdym

[celest thorn]

there's like a graph

you need the video with the cheater cheating and inside the video the auth token, id and everything showing

so if for example you just don't have the auth token or the id in the video

but a guy cheating they cannot do much

so you need to remember but if the guys leaves you are fucked

because there's no way to prove he was cheating

[grand flower]

I don't get the whole auth token stuff

steamid should be enough

[celest thorn]

idk

[grand flower]

I guess it's to prove it's not spoofed

[celest thorn]

thats something i wonder too

[celest thorn]

i guess

[grand flower]

That'd make sense

Would be nice if you could just report the cheater and it would validate the user automatically

you know, stuff you can do easily with steam

Have it give you a report id that you attach to the video proof

And then on your end you just check the report id and see if the session was valid

[celest thorn]

it would be cool

[grand flower]

won't happen for SL since they have their own custom stuff

although ig they could still do the above with their own

[celest thorn]

btw i like sl for a simple reason, you need to get smarter than nw to do what you want :3

its so fun finding small errors that you can leverage to do the crazy shit you have in mind

[grand flower]

that's stupid

for a game inspired from a gmod gamemode

the lack of modding support is just

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[celest thorn]

WHAT ARE YOU ON?

SL is inspired by CB

[grand flower]

??????????

[celest thorn]

SL is INSPIRED by CB

not by some random ass gmod's server

[grand flower]

random ass gmod

literally a 1:1 copy of the gamemode and they themselves have mentioned it in the past

even in the original main menu

[celest thorn]

CB

??

[celest thorn]

CB is a game

bro

WTF???

Wait

[grand flower]

Me when I don't know what i'm talking about and I think others are insane

:p

[grand flower]

yeah there's some CB assets

but the game itself is 1:1 what Breach was as a gamemode

p sure it mentioned Breach once

or somewhere else

[celest thorn]

i've never seen this gamemode being mention

always that sl is inspired by CB

[grand flower]

#scp-discussion message

CB isn't the same as SL

[celest thorn]

my life

is a lie

[grand flower]

CB's a horror survival game, SL's more arcade like Breach was

CB is definitely an inspiration

[celest thorn]

I always thought it was inspired by CB

but more arcade

[grand flower]

yeah, but not based on entirely

[celest thorn]

because it was multiplayer

[grand flower]

Breach was SL before SL

Same factions/classes mostly, escape to respawn, etc

[celest thorn]

my life is a lie

[grand flower]

It's why I'm so pissed at the direction NW took

They made Breach but with shitty modding

[celest thorn]

after this revelation

like i wasn't expecting this lol

[grand flower]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=862448114

[celest thorn]

WTF

this is so scary

its fucking the same as old sl

[grand flower]

yeah cause SL's based on it

[celest thorn]

EVEN THE SAME text

this is crazy

lol

my life was a lie

[grand flower]

why do you think i'm so tilted hahahaha

[celest thorn]

Nah you know what

i have the power

i will recreate SL in SL

but based on old SL

[grand flower]

Why limit yourself

[celest thorn]

because its fun to break the limits

i already broken Primitive limits

[grand flower]

More like you're a masochist heh

[celest thorn]

No i don't like that stuff

but i like having hard challenges to overcome

thats more fun

[upper vapor]

you can make a game and then port it to SL

[teal junco]

technically i could actually just straight up port it to scp sl

if its unity

imagine another unity game running inside an sl server and they co exist

[grand flower]

again, why bother

just make your own game at that point

[teal junco]

oh its just a funny idea

if i wanted to be serious i would make an fps multiplayer base and add whatever i think is cool

[upper vapor]

moddable fps multiplayer base

[grand flower]

https://github.com/Project-SCP/Project-SCP

did find this

Idea's cool, execution is bad

[upper vapor]

yeah uh

the readme looks suspiciously ai-generated

also where's the code 😭

[celest thorn]

the readme IS 100% ai generated

lol

[grand flower]

seems like it just got started

[teal junco]

not moddable, just extendable for myself

[grand flower]

but the code quality is also off

[celest thorn]

btw hii

[teal junco]

i would add like role system and clothes and stuff. no idea if i would actually be able to do that but it sounds awesome

[grand flower]

it's not complicated

[upper vapor]

i see ZERO code pretty much

[grand flower]

I see some but in any case it's definitely not someone experienced

[celest thorn]

yo guys lets make nw 2

and sl 2

central server 2

(im joking)

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-fury-movie-shoot-that-guy-gif-8829002926137263043

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[teal junco]

a role and clothing system?

[celest thorn]

this is mean ;(

[grand flower]

yeah

[teal junco]

i assume its mostly just a synced byte for a role system like SL's

[celest thorn]

southwood

[grand flower]

For your sake, if you ever decide to work on a project like that, don't use SL as an example

[teal junco]

and for clothing a few synced numbers for IDs referring to clothing items

[teal junco]

sl is all i know

haha

[celest thorn]

Java is peak

[teal junco]

its the only game i know this intimately

[upper vapor]

pea

[celest thorn]

thanks to java we have the world suffering

[upper vapor]

write once, debug everywhere

[grand flower]

You can learn

The way things are setup in SL are pretty bad

Not all bad, but they've dug themselves into a hole in multiple parts

[teal junco]

would you say the role system is bad

[grand flower]

I don't like the way it is atm no

[upper vapor]

role & autosync rpcs

[teal junco]

what do you think could be better

[grand flower]

The list is long & it depends on the engine you use

[teal junco]

ah alright

[grand flower]

For instance the fact modifying a player's role modifies the actual role

[upper vapor]

first: relative position NUKED
-# -cyn, probably

[grand flower]

meaning any modification applies to players that have that role afterwards

Relative positioning obviously

[teal junco]

wait you mean that

[celest thorn]

first: Nuke SL

no more SL

[teal junco]

modifying a rolebase permanently changes that role type?

[grand flower]

Points for it being a creative solution

Yes

[teal junco]

or am i misinterpreting

oh

[grand flower]

i.e. try modifying the role's fall damage settings

it'll apply to everyone of that role

[celest thorn]

wait you can do that

lol

[grand flower]

at least, new spawns of that role

[celest thorn]

its not that hard

[grand flower]

yeah

[teal junco]

so it changes a "prefab" of that role

so to speak

[celest thorn]

role is not a prefab

its just data

[teal junco]

no shiiiiiii

[celest thorn]

you are mean ;(

[teal junco]

sorry that was meaj

[upper vapor]

it is a prefab, a pooled prefab

[celest thorn]

wait fr?

wtf

[teal junco]

i was just using prefab as an example

[celest thorn]

i mean the model is

[grand flower]

Next on the list is central servers

Those would be gone

[teal junco]

because changes apply afterward

[celest thorn]

Next on the list SL gone

[upper vapor]

ehhh, yeah
i mean you can work around by subscribing to some events on the role to reset it
or create your own role prefab with those custom settings

[grand flower]

yeah but like

why do I have to do that

[celest thorn]

wait what you can create base roles?

i mean not synced

but can you?

and how would that even look?

[upper vapor]

Object.Instantiate

[celest thorn]

how can you leverage that and make for example a custom role that is a ClassD?

the type wouldn't even exist

[teal junco]

if i made a role system, based on what i know about SCP SL, i would have stuff like incorpreal roles and fpc roles, and operates entirely on polymorphism and making a new role just instantiates a new role and gives it to a player

[upper vapor]

think, zero, think

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-bhondamous-gif-22025607

[teal junco]

and i would probably have the roles be like, more general

[grand flower]

idk I just wouldn't use Unity

Wouldn't have to deal with Mirror bs either

[celest thorn]

mirror is peak

[grand flower]

it is

[teal junco]

because why are d class and scientists different things smh

[upper vapor]

what do you think of godot

[grand flower]

the way it's used in SL isn't

Good engine, still has a long ways to go

[teal junco]

they should both just be instances of HumanRole

[grand flower]

But i'm rooting for it

More competition is good

[celest thorn]

i hate open source alternative better the greedy corporation ones

honestly

we should all make Roblox games

probably with the knowledge we have

we could make billions of dollars

lol

[grand flower]

I already have enough of the brats in the SL community

I'd rather not have to deal with more children

[celest thorn]

but think about it money

you will swim in money

[grand flower]

Roblox is the last place you'll get money from considering their extreme cut

And I have a job so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper vapor]

wrogn reply

[celest thorn]

i mean if you make like a grow a garden or shit like that

[upper vapor]

DISCORD

OMG

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

A J*B???? do you sh*wer too?

[grand flower]

I'm sorry to report I do

nice markdown fail

[upper vapor]

and they called you a masochist

[upper vapor]

me when \*

[celest thorn]

I didn't know it existed lol

don't bully me

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

;(

[grand flower]

next up on the list is the anticheat

garbage, goodbye

[upper vapor]

you've never escaped a character anywhere?

[celest thorn]

almost never

[grand flower]

open up clientside mods

[upper vapor]

impossible

[celest thorn]

only when working 300000 years ago with discord bots

[celest thorn]

i will not express myself on the AC

because its useful

[grand flower]

it's ass

[celest thorn]

i mean lower ranking cheaters cannot bypass it

[grand flower]

we still have cheaters, and it's intrusive as fuck

[celest thorn]

thats good atleast

[grand flower]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[celest thorn]

wait how?

[grand flower]

something something it stopped my spotify from updating once

[celest thorn]

for what i know it doesn't do much of intrusive stuff

[upper vapor]

can't build dotnet desktop apps while playing SL

[grand flower]

it locked the spotify files

[celest thorn]

???

[grand flower]

had an open file handle

had to kill it

[upper vapor]

yep

[grand flower]

why SL's AC opens files outside of the game, I have no idea and there's no good reason to

So fuck the anticheat and fuck the developers working on it

[upper vapor]

[celest thorn]

i didn't know that

but yea the min they can find is thousands and thousands

of files with random ass names

[upper vapor]

by the third rebuild SL locks the output files

[grand flower]

yeah see

[celest thorn]

Crazy

[grand flower]

why does it do that

what makes NW think they have the right to do that

And considering the low amount of funding they have, why bother with a custom anticheat

[celest thorn]

easier to develop for the future?

idk

[grand flower]

[celest thorn]

EAC isn't good either

[grand flower]

waste of money

[untold raft]

VAC better

[grand flower]

probably better than SL's and at least it's free

[untold raft]

[grand flower]

idk why they think they can develop a better product with how little money they have

[celest thorn]

Because its made by our lord gaben i need to agree

idk i will not say much because honestly the only time i saw the AC banned someone,it was a random stuck in a door in old version of SL

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/counterstrike-csgo-door-stuck-knife-lit-gif-13501025

[untold raft]

173 on stairs

XD

[grand flower]

this could just be sorted by better serverside checks for movement

but the way SL's movement is done right now is... something

[celest thorn]

it was funny

it was like the fornite season 1 ban for the swing

lol

idk if that guy got unbanned

who remembers you could get stuck in a wall of bathrooms while being inside the intercom

on top of the bench outside if i recall

or in some seeds the garden area could get you stuck in bathrooms

i still wonder how tf bathroom was so bugged

[celest thorn]

OH YEA

[royal mica]

Damn that is an old message

[celest thorn]

the guy was banned for that

lol

[celest thorn]

fr old players here

[grand flower]

that could've just been a correction requested by the server

or done by the client

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[celest thorn]

the client is asking to the server
"Yo bro can you kill me for fly plz"

[grand flower]

no, the server just sends the result to the client for a specific move input and the client fixes their position if there's an error

and if they don't, well, it doesn't affect other players

they're only fucking themselves over

[celest thorn]

but i've seen the server does it only if its 10m

[grand flower]

yeah that also sucks

[celest thorn]

and that sound of falling

it was making me go mad

totally nuked it

i don't understand why if you remove the damagehandler the sounds still plays

they could've made it just go from the damagehandler

but nope

[grand flower]

nw moment

[celest thorn]

dead chat

[grand flower]

dead

[slate flume]

Yes literally

I use things like ProcMon and Cheat Engine semi-regularly and having those open entirely prevents SL from even running
I wouldn't complain so much if it weren't for the fact that because of this, anytime I use one of those kinds of programs I have to hard restart my computer in order to get SL to even launch

Because simply closing the process isn't good enough for the damn game

Idek why it keeps doing it because I've looked in task manager and there is not a single trace of the process running

It just still flags because I had it open at some point while I was logged on

It pisses me off

[hexed girder]

what is rankIndex in KeycardItem::CreateCustomKeycardTaskForce?

[hearty shard]

inzi!

[icy knoll]

ig private, sargeant or captain

[hexed girder]

nameless!!

[hexed girder]

nothing changes in theory, that is, I am entering random values, but nothing changes

[icy knoll]

probably the prefix in ur name changes

[royal mica]

It is used in InventorySystem.Items.Keycards.CustomRankDetail but good question what that does

also I have 0 idea what happening in this class

[restive turret]

Setting and reading and parsing

[slate flume]

Check the rings

I saw that @celest thorn haha

It is pretty cool

[celest thorn]

i had it copied and pasted

but yea

it is cool

i probably never sent it

but yea still ITS COOL

honestly ngl im wondering to learn something

i was thinking making like music

8bit one

(because i like it alot)

but idk

[slate flume]

8bit music is cool

[celest thorn]

like developing and knowing how to make songs could be useful :3

[slate flume]

The architecture at the time meant 8bit music was a result of working through limitations

[celest thorn]

yea i know

[slate flume]

I watched a cool video about it

[celest thorn]

me too

i love watching videos of old tech

and how it works

because some of them i owned them

like ps2, gamecube

etc..

im not 30

[slate flume]

There's this like 10 min really well made video about the NES Sound Chip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RrQrATnXXY

[celest thorn]

i think i've watched a similar video

but i've made an emulator

for my physics professor for his nes

yes he wanted an online emulator to just go and play whenever he wanted

[slate flume]

That's baller

[celest thorn]

and we did like a challenge

if in a week i could've made one and some game to test it he would've graded me higher

i won in 6 days and 4 hours

[slate flume]

Yooo sick

[celest thorn]

to learn NES structure and how it works

i've made some games in Assembly x86

fun fact

the NES games can run without having the pixels

you need to tell the PPU to display them

idk why

but that was my first error that i made when making the testing games

[slate flume]

Well like my favorite thing about this video is that he brings up actual examples and compares the difference in sound based on the changes in the NES sound chip

[celest thorn]

funny enough

my second test with assembly

was making an os

[slate flume]

Oh love that

[celest thorn]

(it worked)

[slate flume]

Insane that it worked

[celest thorn]

i've made an os similar to the fallout 4 / 76 terminal

[slate flume]

I learned assembly from Cheat Engine lmao

I'm entirely self-taught with all this stuff

[celest thorn]

(yes the minigame was there)

[celest thorn]

same i do economy and law

now not anymore

[slate flume]

I wanna learn higher-level concepts but I'd need to go to school for that

And that costs money

[celest thorn]

because im planning to do computer science

university costes nothing for me

[restive turret]

I self-taught everything i know for CS

[celest thorn]

30 bucks

[celest thorn]

Crazy a bit same

im just missing C++

[restive turret]

Literally waste if my time

[celest thorn]

and some concepts of C

[slate flume]

There's just no good academic resources

[restive turret]

Uni is just sending "learn million math subjects that you only use in specific thing"

[celest thorn]

btw i learned code by copying and pasting and debugging

seeing how stuff works

lol

[restive turret]

Did the same

[celest thorn]

(i learned before chatgpt)

[celest thorn]

no docs no nothing

just straight up

[restive turret]

Also learn from GitHub projects and even checking the .exe with pdb in Ida

[celest thorn]

and i do the same thing for every language

[celest thorn]

Wait you have ida pro?

bro you are rich

[restive turret]

I can read many languages, writing is different

[restive turret]

Llmao no, its uhh

A trial or smth

[celest thorn]

its the same for me i can read and understand french but im stupid on talking it

nah im joking

btw idk

i will probably start learning on how to "compose" music

just because im bored

same i did for programming and i guess i can do the same

if someone has an idea

why not

[upper vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSnRa4gqLOU

[celest thorn]

honestly FL studio is like so complicated

that i think i will quit the next day

[slate flume]

I've never used Ida

Ghidra lmao

[restive turret]

Ghidra make me ehh

[celest thorn]

ida is cool

[slate flume]

I LOVE Logic Pro

[celest thorn]

Ghidra is confusing

[upper vapor]

there's a new official guide from synthet

[slate flume]

I'll stand by it

[celest thorn]

asf

[upper vapor]

okay mac user

[slate flume]

Yes

It is

[slate flume]

I literally sideloaded Mac on my Windows Laptop just to use Logic

I don't own a macbook

[restive turret]

I can just press F5 and decompile a whole function

[celest thorn]

hackintosh user

[restive turret]

String search my belowed

[celest thorn]

i've never had the occasion to use Ida

in my life

[slate flume]

:)

[slate flume]

I wish

Ghidra kinda sucks but it's all I've had

That and Cheat Engine lmao

[upper vapor]

what the

[restive turret]

I guess there is a good reason for RE game services lel

[slate flume]

It took me like multiple weeks to get it functional

[restive turret]

Free ida

[slate flume]

Apple HATES it when you run their OS off their hardware

[celest thorn]

@upper vapor new allegation came out on pirate software and he did not do so child friendly furry talk

[restive turret]

What

[celest thorn]

what you read

[slate flume]

I was honestly just waiting for it to come out

[celest thorn]

lol

[upper vapor]

https://www.image-line.com/learn/lesson/finding-your-way-around/

[celest thorn]

its so funny at this point

[slate flume]

I've seen the heartbound writing and the way he talks on Discord and otherwise

[celest thorn]

i've tried heartbounds with axwabo in stream

i got bored 30 seconds later

and quit the game

[restive turret]

Lmao

[slate flume]

I watched a video on it and it's like

Couldn't you just make this in RPGMaker?

In like

5 minutes

Lmao

[celest thorn]

Code Jesus and another guy mentioned it

[upper vapor]

the reason why he uses a flat array is due to some ARG stuff

[celest thorn]

crazy

[celest thorn]

OH YEA

AHAHHAHAHAH

[upper vapor]

have you considered
dying

[celest thorn]

ME?

[slate flume]

His ray tracing code sucks ass

[celest thorn]

what did i do?

[celest thorn]

"ray tracing"

[restive turret]

Trace deez

[celest thorn]

Nuts

[upper vapor]

pirate

[upper vapor]

did you mean

raycasting

[restive turret]

Casting fireball

[celest thorn]

i mean this guy at this point is cooked

if i was him lets go back to Blizzard

doing QA

probably they are still hiring

[restive turret]

I wouldn't even want to work for bliz

[upper vapor]

😭😭😭😭

[celest thorn]

He worked for blizzard for 7 years

bro

[restive turret]

If I would I probably leak the entire codebase and all software

[celest thorn]

they might hire him back

[restive turret]

Then just shotmyself