#plugins-dev-chat | SCP: Secret Laboratory | Page 61

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 11:44 AM

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but yea strange the one i downloaded has more

restive turret Jul 5, 2025, 1:01 PM

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me when i \u1F0CF

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 1:02 PM

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🃏

hollow pewter Jul 5, 2025, 1:03 PM

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how can a Room be null? im getting a nullreference exception when trying to convert local position in alpha warhead to world position

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doing this but sometimes the enumerable is empty

Room warhead = Room.Get(RoomName.HczWarhead).First();

random scaffold Jul 5, 2025, 1:06 PM

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due nw moment

hollow pewter Jul 5, 2025, 1:07 PM

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SteamHappy

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great

spare zodiac Jul 5, 2025, 1:10 PM

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hollow pewter doing this but sometimes the enumerable is empty ```Room warhead = Room.Get(Roo...

some rooms don't have name iirc

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if you can use type

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 1:30 PM

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hollow pewter doing this but sometimes the enumerable is empty ```Room warhead = Room.Get(Roo...

You can do .Last() as a workaround for now

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They know about the stale references bug

harsh thorn Jul 5, 2025, 1:51 PM

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~~now bake elevators too and use a navmesh link to connect them together~~

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 2:02 PM

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harsh thorn ~~now bake elevators too and use a navmesh link to connect them together~~

muffles cries

lusty fox Jul 5, 2025, 3:52 PM

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Hello,
Is there any way other than patching to cancel the blinking effect of SCP-173 at the moment?

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 4:02 PM

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No

lusty fox Jul 5, 2025, 4:09 PM

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Sad moment

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 4:19 PM

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lusty fox Hello, Is there any way other than patching to cancel the blinking effect of SCP...

what type of effect

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you mean?

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Scp173BlinkTimer.ServerBlink because if you mean this one then yea you can

lusty fox Jul 5, 2025, 4:19 PM

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celest thorn Scp173BlinkTimer.ServerBlink because if you mean this one then yea you can

Yeah this one

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 4:19 PM

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ok yea you can

lusty fox Jul 5, 2025, 4:20 PM

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What's the event then ?

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 4:20 PM

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lusty fox What's the event then ?

There's no event for that

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you need to manually patch

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and do it

lusty fox Jul 5, 2025, 4:20 PM

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Oh yes, I know, but I was just asking if it was possible to do something other than a patch.

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But thanks for your advice!

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 4:21 PM

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lusty fox But thanks for your advice!

honestly its easy

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just do

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a prefix and return false

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thats pretty much it

lusty fox Jul 5, 2025, 4:22 PM

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I know, it's just to add a condition to prevent the move if a certain number of players are watching it. But if I can avoid the patch, I'd rather use LabAPI whenever possible.

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 4:22 PM

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lusty fox I know, it's just to add a condition to prevent the move if a certain number of ...

most of the stuff is patching

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labapi is so new

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so you could suggest it

lusty fox Jul 5, 2025, 4:22 PM

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celest thorn so you could suggest it

Already done smart

lusty fox Jul 5, 2025, 4:23 PM

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celest thorn labapi is so new

Yeah, but it's better than NwPluginAPI so far

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 4:23 PM

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I prefer it even to exiled

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i switched from exiled to labapi

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it was the best thing ever

lusty fox Jul 5, 2025, 4:24 PM

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When we find equivalence on certain Events, I don't see any reason to use Exiled any more.

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:41 PM

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why this is not working

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localadmin ignores ALL commands

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 5:44 PM

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hard flume why this is not working

Is this tmux?
Not sure how well that handles it
If you can, try using a different terminal emulator (Linux ppl, please correct me)

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:44 PM

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upper vapor Is this tmux? Not sure how well that handles it If you can, try using a differen...

yes

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 5:45 PM

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upper vapor Is this tmux? Not sure how well that handles it If you can, try using a differen...

LA does it sometimes in ptero too

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iirc

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:45 PM

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well seems will be same

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 5:45 PM

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Bruh

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:46 PM

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ah

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unique crane Jul 5, 2025, 5:46 PM

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Yipee

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 5:46 PM

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What was the issue?

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:46 PM

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idk

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 5:46 PM

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Did you need to enter it another time? toomuchtrolling

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:46 PM

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idk

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i spammed enter

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and it worked

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 5:46 PM

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Checks out lmao

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:47 PM

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The system has successfully checked your server, a verification response will be printed to your console shortly, please allow up to 5 minutes.

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tmux is slow asf

restive turret Jul 5, 2025, 5:47 PM

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ye somehow reading the console input is just

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nyeh

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:50 PM

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i have question

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if rules in work, and my server is full RP

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i have to make it norules?

unique crane Jul 5, 2025, 5:50 PM

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What

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:51 PM

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b. If your server has no rules, clearly state this in your Server Name or Server Info.

unique crane Jul 5, 2025, 5:51 PM

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For server hosting relating things, you might want to go to #serverhost-cat

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:51 PM

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no access)

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 5:52 PM

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No acess

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 5:52 PM

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hard flume b. If your server has no rules, clearly state this in your Server Name or Server...

then if you have no rules, you must state it

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if you do have rules, you must include those rules

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:54 PM

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what the hell

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 5:55 PM

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hard flume what the hell

you messed up your server name

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you likely forgot to close a tag

hard flume Jul 5, 2025, 5:56 PM

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ye

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it closes tag 2 times

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fixed

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:27 PM

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slabbers design question

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i dont know how many of you are aware of init only properties

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but basically

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:28 PM

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You mean
Peak properties

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:3

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:29 PM

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if you declare

public int X { get; init; }

in a class Example, you can't actually set example.X, you have to do something like

new Example() {
  X = 5,
}

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:29 PM

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yes

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i like init in some places

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but if it's not needed ill go with set

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:30 PM

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my problem is that i want to let you set an init-only property that's a list and preserve immutability. since you can change the behavior of init only properties, i could do it like

public IReadOnlyList<ContentParameter> Parameters { get => this.parameters; init => this.parameters = new ReadOnlyList(value.ToList()); }

or i just add it as a constructor. this would mean however that i need to double the number of constructors

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if i do it as an init only that might be surprising

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:31 PM

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Field keyword Smart

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Make it required

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Boom

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:31 PM

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true cedar if i do it as an init only that might be surprising

since you would prob expect it to refer to the same list

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well the problem isnt that its required

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its optional to provide the parameters

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thats the issue

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:31 PM

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upper vapor Field keyword <:Smart:885618421763567647>

what lang version is that in?

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:32 PM

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13

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:32 PM

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thought so

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im on 12 😭

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:32 PM

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i dont wanna use too modern of a version

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im on c# 11

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:32 PM

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Just upgrade

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:32 PM

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true cedar i dont wanna use too modern of a version

Wtf

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What are you on about

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:32 PM

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this is a library

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so

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:32 PM

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12 is LTS

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(Per .NET SDK)

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:32 PM

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i mean c# 11 is only like a year old so

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:32 PM

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What's wrong with a new version of C#

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:33 PM

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upper vapor What's wrong with a new version of C#

i just don't think its necessary

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:33 PM

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No collection expressions? BOOM

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:33 PM

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i dont like collection expressions in c# hot take

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:33 PM

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true cedar i dont like collection expressions in c# hot take

Ughhhh

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Ewww

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:33 PM

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actually for arrays its fine

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:33 PM

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true cedar actually for arrays its fine

😭

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:33 PM

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i just don't like the idea of [1, 2, 3] becoming any type u want under the sun

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:34 PM

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Do you actually type out Array.Empty<T>() every time?

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:34 PM

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true cedar if i do it as an init only that might be surprising

ANYWAYS I NEED OPINIONS ON THIS

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:34 PM

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upper vapor Do you actually type out Array.Empty<T>() every time?

im not using arrays nearly that often

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:34 PM

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true cedar ANYWAYS I NEED OPINIONS ON THIS

Well

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Constructor with IEnumerable might be more straightforward for consumers

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:34 PM

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thats what i was thinking but its like

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i would need to double the number of constructors i have since theres classes that inherit from this

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and ia lready have a signature with 3 parameters

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:35 PM

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True

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:35 PM

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/// <summary>
/// Initializes a new instance of the <see cref="CachedElement"/> class.
/// </summary>
/// <param name="cacheTime">A <see cref="TimeSpan"/> indicating how long to store cached text before regenerating.</param>
/// <param name="position"><inheritdoc cref="DynamicElement(float, Func{string})" path="/param[@name='position']"/></param>
/// <param name="contentGetter"><inheritdoc cref="DynamicElement(float, Func{string})" path="/param[@name='contentGetter']"/></param>
public CachedElement(float position, TimeSpan cacheTime, Func<string> contentGetter)
    : base(position, contentGetter)
{
    this.CacheTime = cacheTime;
}

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:35 PM

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true cedar ```csharp /// <summary> /// Initializes a new instance of the <see cref="CachedE...

That's an insane xml doc

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:36 PM

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its just reusing docs

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:36 PM

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true cedar thats what i was thinking but its like

I don't think it's an issue if you have the property as you showed it earlier
If it's read-only, it shouldn't change

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:36 PM

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well the problem is that

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i feel like if you do

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new X() {
Y = y
}

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:37 PM

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true cedar its just reusing docs

Yeah but I've never seen inheritdoc in tags
Just kinda threw me off

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:37 PM

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you expect Y = y

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so you might do y.Add(...) and expect it to propagate

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:37 PM

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Ehhh

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:38 PM

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i could add a warning but idk it feels very hcaky

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:38 PM

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How about you make a
IEnumerable<Whatever> ParametersCopy { init => } toomuchtrolling

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:38 PM

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thats even UGLIER

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if i did do this i'd just put it in the remarks or comments

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thats it a copy

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:39 PM

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Then
Shit

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Yeah do that

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And keep the original prop you showed

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You can also do .ToList().AsReadOnly()

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No visible constructor call

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:41 PM

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raahhh

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i wish c# had better support for builders

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cause here i could do like

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:42 PM

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wdym

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:42 PM

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i mean ig i can do this but i dont wanna

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BasicElement element = new BasicElement.Builder(500f, "hello")
  .AddParameters(param)
  .SetVerticalAlign(...)
  .Build();

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:44 PM

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It's not that painful to do
You make a few templates, let AI fill in the rest

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AI is often good for boilerplate

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Not much else though

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:45 PM

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its not necessarily making the builders themselves

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:45 PM

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true cedar ```csharp BasicElement element = new BasicElement.Builder(500f, "hello") .AddP...

i just stick with .Build(), it's annoying but eh...

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:45 PM

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-# next.js my ahh

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:45 PM

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icy knoll i just stick with .Build(), it's annoying but eh...

wdym

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:45 PM

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true cedar its not necessarily making the builders themselves

Make it make it

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:45 PM

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upper vapor -# next.js my ahh

next.js slop...

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:46 PM

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true cedar ```csharp BasicElement element = new BasicElement.Builder(500f, "hello") .AddP...

ig here i could just make a shorthand new BasicElement(500f, "hello"); which internally calls a builder

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:46 PM

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true cedar wdym

i have a TranslationBuilder thing to replace params in with my discord bot plugin and .Build() is quite annoying but eh

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:46 PM

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icy knoll i just stick with .Build(), it's annoying but eh...

How about an implicit conversion froma builder to the result

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:46 PM

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hell no

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sorry that was mean

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:46 PM

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i just wish c# could like detect if the parameter im putting it in is a string, and if it is, run build for me

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:47 PM

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i feel like a builder pattern is the "correct" thing to do here but like

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:47 PM

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icy knoll i just wish c# could like detect if the parameter im putting it in is a string, ...

Implicit operators:

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:47 PM

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icy knoll i just wish c# could like detect if the parameter im putting it in is a string, ...

wdym

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:48 PM

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true cedar wdym

imagine this

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 7:48 PM

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true cedar wdym

like string str = SomeThing()
.Add();

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and it just implicitly becomes string

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prob

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:48 PM

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upper vapor Make it make it

i just don't trust that people are smart enough to know how to use builders

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Logger.Info(new StringBuilder()) instead of Logger.Info(new StringBuilder().ToString())... like if you just put inside of your class that if a param is type of string, then run .ToString() automatically

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would be pretty neat

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but i get the issues too

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 7:49 PM

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me when implicit

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like ax said

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:49 PM

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idek how to do that...

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 7:49 PM

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add an operator to your class

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:49 PM

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https://github.com/Axwabo/CommandSystem/blob/main/Axwabo.CommandSystem%2FCommands%2FCommandResult.cs#L80

GitHub

CommandSystem/Axwabo.CommandSystem/Commands/CommandResult.cs at mai...

An SCP: Secret Laboratory plugin for creating commands and interacting with the Remote Admin GUI. - Axwabo/CommandSystem

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:50 PM

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true cedar i just don't trust that people are smart enough to know how to use builders

Aha

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Not that difficult thougu

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:50 PM

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i dont like implicit operators

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:50 PM

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true cedar i dont like implicit operators

Womp

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:50 PM

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with some exceptions

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 7:50 PM

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i hate when no spawn protection

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:50 PM

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how does it even work? legit how I just put it or?

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:51 PM

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iirc according to c# guidelines ur only supposed to make an implicit cast if doing so would lose no information

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:51 PM

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icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 7:51 PM

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hmm

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:51 PM

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true cedar iirc according to c# guidelines ur only supposed to make an implicit cast if doi...

Okay and..?

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You're not losing information if you build the thing...

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You just create a new type with that information

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They give us language features and "erm actually..."

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Imo it's better to also include a method that does the same thing as the operator

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:53 PM

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welcome to c#

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the most bloated language on god's green earth

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:53 PM

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Kek

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:54 PM

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i am of the opinion

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:54 PM

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SL# with x3rt when Hmm

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:54 PM

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that u shouldn't be allow to define ur own conversion operators

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:54 PM

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true cedar that u shouldn't be allow to define ur own conversion operators

Yeah like
vector3.Subtract(otherVector)

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:55 PM

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conversion operators

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cast

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s

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:55 PM

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Yeah fair

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But

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I disagree

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Explicit conversion operators exist, too shrug
I don't see that much use for them though

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:57 PM

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explicit conversion operators have even less of a reason to exist ngl

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:57 PM

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I did use them one time so the compiler would yell at me when refactoring
public static explicit operator float(DriverSpeed speed) => speed.IsReverse ? -speed.Value : speed.Value;
For some cases I needed the absolute, others needed the exact value

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:58 PM

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i guess it might be kinda useful for like

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simd

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:58 PM

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true cedar simd

Uh
Why would that be the exact reason
It's also a method, so..

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:59 PM

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custom explicit/implicit cast operators

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since u have like

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:59 PM

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Don't say it, slejm...

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 7:59 PM

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that reminds me i wish we could use simd

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 7:59 PM

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true cedar custom explicit/implicit cast operators

Why would that be better for SIMD rather than normal methods

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:00 PM

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now that i think about it

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:00 PM

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true cedar that reminds me i wish we could use simd

We can
Not much in SL tho despair

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:00 PM

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it prob wouldnt be

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:00 PM

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Yeah it's still a method call, just syntax sugar basically

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:01 PM

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i mean ik

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honestly the fact that you can't override the is operator

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:01 PM

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ClassD_Hollow

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How would you override it

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For equality or comparison checks per member?

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:03 PM

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i was thinking for types

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although i could see it for values too maybe

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main thing is just for unions

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because c# still doesn't have discriminated unions jesus christ

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 8:05 PM

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okie

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tried implicit operators...

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just removed 100 .Build() method calls from my code

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so peak

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:05 PM

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true cedar because c# still doesn't have discriminated unions jesus christ

i swear to god. if they implement discriminated unions using some class bullshit like in f#

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i'll throw hands

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:13 PM

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true cedar i was thinking for types

string is MySillyTypeUwU

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yeah sure

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:13 PM

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true cedar because c# still doesn't have discriminated unions jesus christ

there is a proposal!!1!1

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REJECTED????????

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:19 PM

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upper vapor REJECTED????????

it got rejected?

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link?

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:20 PM

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https://github.com/dotnet/csharplang/blob/main/proposals/rejected/discriminated-unions.md

GitHub

csharplang/proposals/rejected/discriminated-unions.md at main · do...

The official repo for the design of the C# programming language - dotnet/csharplang

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:20 PM

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oh

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https://github.com/dotnet/csharplang/blob/18a527bcc1f0bdaf542d8b9a189c50068615b439/proposals/TypeUnions.md

GitHub

csharplang/proposals/TypeUnions.md at 18a527bcc1f0bdaf542d8b9a189c5...

The official repo for the design of the C# programming language - dotnet/csharplang

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:20 PM

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uh

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i might be dumb

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:21 PM

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true cedar https://github.com/dotnet/csharplang/blob/18a527bcc1f0bdaf542d8b9a189c50068615b4...

yeah this was what i was looking for

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the one i sent felt off 😭😭😭

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:21 PM

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i can see why the one u sent got rejected

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its dumb LOL

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i do prefer using the enum keyword instead of a specialized union keyword

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:22 PM

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rust enums, eh?

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:23 PM

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well

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i mean i prefer the enum keyword because i dont like unnecessary keywords

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plus i think its slightly more understandable to people

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:25 PM

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true cedar i mean i prefer the enum keyword because i dont like unnecessary keywords

extension keyword

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:27 PM

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extension is slightly more understandable since idk what u would replace it with

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maybe a like

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public static class Extensions(this IEnumerable<T> enumerable)

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:29 PM

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yeah that's how i imagined it

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but the syntax they added is more uh

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resilient?

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:29 PM

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ig

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it still raises questions like

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:29 PM

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more extensible toomuchtrolling

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 8:30 PM

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hii chat

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:30 PM

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hello 02

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 8:30 PM

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how are you doing?

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:32 PM

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celest thorn how are you doing?

https://tenor.com/view/block-summon-ethereum-blocks-dance-gif-20403504

Tenor

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something like this

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 8:32 PM

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upper vapor https://tenor.com/view/block-summon-ethereum-blocks-dance-gif-20403504

i guess happy?

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:32 PM

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weird

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idk tbh 😭😭

celest thorn Jul 5, 2025, 8:33 PM

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lol

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:36 PM

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shit

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i just realized i have a new proble

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m

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if im using builders do i make them a struct or class

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wait i'd have to make it a class

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but then do i return a copy screams

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:37 PM

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what

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 8:38 PM

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1 sec

icy knoll Jul 5, 2025, 8:48 PM

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true cedar https://github.com/dotnet/csharplang/blob/18a527bcc1f0bdaf542d8b9a189c50068615b4...

this is the only thing i want in c# rn, so used to it in typescript and then when i come to c# im like... :c

upper vapor Jul 5, 2025, 8:48 PM

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icy knoll this is the only thing i want in c# rn, so used to it in typescript and then whe...

real

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gotta love my false | undefined

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but fr though discriminated unions are amazing

viral rivet Jul 5, 2025, 8:55 PM

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How can I make a hitmark on a player?

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 8:58 PM

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Player.SendHitmarker

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:51 PM

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jesus

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1000 empty arrays

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:52 PM

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Woo

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:54 PM

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hearty shard Woo

make a plugin that makes this not stupid

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:55 PM

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true cedar make a plugin that makes this not stupid

i nono wanna

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how much does sl even use

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:55 PM

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use what

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:55 PM

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network reader

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like

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its pooled for a reason probably....

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1k seems excessive, but idk how much itd use at a time roughly

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 10:56 PM

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Technically only one

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:56 PM

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grand flower Technically only one

heh?

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 10:56 PM

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Per player at a time

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No?

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:56 PM

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i mean

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nah

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:56 PM

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uhhh

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idk!

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:56 PM

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but maybe like

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:57 PM

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100?

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:57 PM

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5

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idk

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:57 PM

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well it depends

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wtf is network reader used for on server side

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 10:57 PM

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You're not gonna be reading multiple messages at once

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Reading messages from clients

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:57 PM

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nah

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but what if they're nested

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:57 PM

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grand flower Reading messages from clients

yeah but how much

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 10:57 PM

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When is a message nested

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Incoming message

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 10:57 PM

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hearty shard yeah but how much

1 per message

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And you're not reading multiple messages at once (unlikely)

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:58 PM

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blehh!

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:58 PM

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i mean

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 10:58 PM

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Unless Mirror is doing something weird idk

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:58 PM

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i think its bad to assume that only one networkreader is in use at any given time

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 10:58 PM

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wait is that mirror pool or nw

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whos pooling this

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 10:59 PM

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true cedar i think its bad to assume that only one networkreader is in use at any given tim...

It's not if you know the logic behind it, like why would there be multiple messages coming in at once (unless it's multithreaded which I don't believe it is)

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:59 PM

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i mean, you might use a networkreader to read part of a message

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like

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 10:59 PM

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You pass in the same reader

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Because it's reading that one payload

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Unless I'm not aware of something

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 10:59 PM

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a ReadX() method might get a new networkreader

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 11:00 PM

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Yall suck!!

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 11:00 PM

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theres often multiple networkwriters at once so

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 11:00 PM

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Don't read methods pass in the network reader

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That would make more sense than what you're describing

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 11:00 PM

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here

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multiple readers

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it makes sense since reader just keeps track of the position

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 11:01 PM

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true cedar jesus

but having 1k readers

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and creatign a new byte array for every single one

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despite the fact that you could just use array.empty or better yet just pass in null

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or even better yet reduce thta to like 5 readers and pass in null

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 11:02 PM

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U do it

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 11:02 PM

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i would if i wasnt working on ruei

hearty shard Jul 5, 2025, 11:04 PM

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Hmm

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 11:14 PM

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Odd

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Oh well glad I don't work with that godforsaken engine

restive turret Jul 5, 2025, 11:36 PM

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upper vapor Don't say it, slejm...

Say what

restive turret Jul 5, 2025, 11:39 PM

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true cedar jesus

Is that inside mirror or nw?
If in mirror then Fear

true cedar Jul 5, 2025, 11:44 PM

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mirror

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 11:47 PM

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They probs know what they're doing then

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Even though I'm confused at why

restive turret Jul 5, 2025, 11:49 PM

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Check their readme ig

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 11:50 PM

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I'm good DogKek

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SL's likely to be the only time I'll use Mirror

restive turret Jul 5, 2025, 11:50 PM

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// initial capacity to avoid allocations in the first few frames
1000

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Aha

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Ye

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 11:51 PM

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Thats fair enough

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If you're receiving all the initial state

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Still weird

restive turret Jul 5, 2025, 11:51 PM

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1k still wierd

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Would be like

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255

grand flower Jul 5, 2025, 11:53 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 12:00 AM

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restive turret // initial capacity to avoid allocations in the first few frames 100...

huh

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 12:00 AM

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That's the doc

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https://github.com/MirrorNetworking/Mirror/blob/2d9c37d6b13745742b3c0ce2061fd058e8a76431/Assets/Mirror/Core/NetworkReaderPool.cs#L16

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 12:03 AM

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so why tf do they not use array.empty

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or pass in null

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now im even more confused

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god this shit has too many comments

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 12:23 AM

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It's likely just when you connect to a server

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You're gonna be bombarded with initial states

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So they have a possibly excessive amount of pooled readers for that initial spam

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 12:24 AM

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yea but then

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why not pass in null

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 12:25 AM

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No clue

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 12:52 AM

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true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 12:56 AM

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it would be so neat if we had a translationparameter or something so i could incorporate base game hints :3

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 12:59 AM

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clientside mods when

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:00 AM

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grand flower clientside mods when

northwood has made it clear they dont like client side mods

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:00 AM

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i just need base game hints to not hide all of my hints

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:00 AM

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true cedar i just need base game hints to not hide all of my hints

You have reached the limit for Keycard (3/3) Trolley

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 1:01 AM

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teal junco northwood has made it clear they dont like client side mods

Shot themselves in the foot with an antimateriel rifle on that one

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oh well

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:01 AM

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the urge to correct ur spelling of materiel

plain gazelle Jul 6, 2025, 1:01 AM

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Is it possible to limit reloading of a magazine based weapon to a single bullet total?
So if there is a bullet in the chamber; dont reload?

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:01 AM

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grand flower Shot themselves in the foot with an antimateriel rifle on that one

there is a chance they change their mind some time in the future

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 1:01 AM

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eh

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doubt it

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not with the way things are

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:01 AM

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true cedar the urge to correct ur spelling of materiel

materiel means like

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equipment

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right

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:02 AM

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i think so

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 1:02 AM

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oops

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:02 AM

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i just remember it being antimateriel and being confused why it was an e

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:02 AM

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grand flower not with the way things are

yearhhh

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they also obfuscated the client code for some reason

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 1:03 AM

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mfw anticheat is useless

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Still wonder why even bother wasting money on it when there's solutions made by bigger companies available

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:03 AM

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i genuinely dont get whats the point of that, there might be some reason but i dont know

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 1:03 AM

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IL2CPP for performance probs

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:03 AM

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teal junco they also obfuscated the client code for some reason

are u sure thats not just it being cpp

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:04 AM

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true cedar are u sure thats not just it being cpp

no im not actually

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:04 AM

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i think obfuscating it is like literally a checkmark

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:04 AM

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i dont know how compilation tends to work

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 1:04 AM

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They use IL2CPP

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Which has benefits

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Obfuscation as a side effect I guess

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:04 AM

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true cedar i think obfuscating it is like literally a checkmark

that might be something different

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 1:04 AM

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Clearly useless anyway on that part DogKek

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:04 AM

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teal junco i dont know how compilation tends to work

basically it just turns it into low level code

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:04 AM

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teal junco i dont know how compilation tends to work

(all i know is many unity games are fully decompilable and SL is not)

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:06 AM

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true cedar basically it just turns it into low level code

i mean doesnt most compiling work that way?

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 1:06 AM

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grand flower Obfuscation as a side effect I guess

ah alr

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:07 AM

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teal junco i mean doesnt most compiling work that way?

well

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normally

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c# code is turned into CIL

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which is higher level

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when you run cil the net runtime turns that into assembly or raw machine code

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il2cpp basically turns it into assembly or raw machine code ahead of time

plain gazelle Jul 6, 2025, 1:09 AM

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how can i check per code if a bullet is already in the chamber of an automatic weapon?

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 1:12 AM

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true cedar it would be so neat if we had a translationparameter or something so i could inc...

.

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pleasee nw

plain gazelle Jul 6, 2025, 1:22 AM

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how can i change the max ammo for a gun .w.

slate flume Jul 6, 2025, 2:39 AM

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plain gazelle how can i change the max ammo for a gun .w.

Well

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Depends on the gun

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The way to do it for just about every gun is to patch the magazine module AmmoMax getter

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Revolvers are a side case that suck major dick and balls

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To get mine to work I patched ServerWithholdAmmo and InsertAmmoFromClip in the RevolverClipReloaderModule

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 4:07 AM

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When I spawn a gameobject it spawns but isn't visible to the player and is all desynced and everything, how do I sync it all back up

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 4:08 AM

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How are you spawning it

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 4:08 AM

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NetworkServer.Spawn()

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 4:09 AM

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What are you spawning

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 4:09 AM

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a gameobject

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 4:09 AM

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Send code

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 4:09 AM

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GameObject instance = GameObject.Instantiate(prefab, position, Quaternion.identity);
NetworkServer.Spawn(instance);```

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 4:09 AM

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What's the prefab

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 4:10 AM

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GetObjectPrefabs().TryGetValue(objectType, out GameObject prefab);```Which is (give me a second)

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Which in this case is just this cs GameObject primitive = GameObject.CreatePrimitive(type);But I also have things likecs NetworkClient.prefabs.Values.First(x => x.name.Contains("LCZ"))

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I mean if you want it all

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📎 cs

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 4:41 AM

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grand flower What's the prefab

So uhh O.o

random scaffold Jul 6, 2025, 5:34 AM

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IDoorPermissionRequester how i can get it from the player?

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 5:37 AM

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What are yout rying to do with it?

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if (player.RoleBase is IDoorPermissionProvider doorPermissionProvider)
{
  // Now you can use the doorPermissionProvider from the player
}```

random scaffold Jul 6, 2025, 5:39 AM

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covert flame What are yout rying to do with it?

remote keycard

random scaffold Jul 6, 2025, 5:39 AM

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covert flame ```cs if (player.RoleBase is IDoorPermissionProvider doorPermissionProvider) { ...

then who requester

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 5:39 AM

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public static bool HasKeycardPermission(Door door, Player player) =>
    HasPlayerPermission(player, door.Base);

public static bool HasKeycardPermission(LabApi.Features.Wrappers.LockerChamber chamber, Player player) =>
    HasPlayerPermission(player, chamber.Base);

public static bool HasKeycardPermission(Scp079Generator generator, Player player) =>
    HasPlayerPermission(player, generator);

public static bool HasPlayerPermission(Player player, IDoorPermissionRequester requester)
{
    bool hasPermission = false;

    if (player.RoleBase is IDoorPermissionProvider doorPermissionProvider)
        hasPermission = requester.PermissionsPolicy.CheckPermissions(doorPermissionProvider.GetPermissions(requester));

    foreach (Item item in player.Items)
        if (item.Base is KeycardItem keycardItem)
        {
            hasPermission = requester.PermissionsPolicy.CheckPermissions(keycardItem.GetPermissions(requester));
            if (hasPermission) break;
        }

    return hasPermission;
}```

#

private static void OnPlayerInteractingDoor(PlayerInteractingDoorEventArgs ev)
{
    if (!ev.Door.IsLocked && HasKeycardPermission(ev.Door, ev.Player))
      ev.CanOpen = true;
}
private static void OnPlayerInteractingLocker(PlayerInteractingLockerEventArgs ev)
{
    if (HasKeycardPermission(ev.Chamber, ev.Player))
      ev.CanOpen = true;
}
private static void OnPlayerInteractingGenerator(PlayerInteractingGeneratorEventArgs ev)
{
    if (!ev.Generator.IsUnlocked && HasKeycardPermission(ev.Generator.Base, ev.Player))
    {
        ev.Generator.IsUnlocked = true;
        ev.Generator.Base._cooldownStopwatch.Restart();
    }
}```And then just hook up these events

random scaffold Jul 6, 2025, 5:43 AM

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why not just requester.CheckPermissions(IDoorPermissionProvider provider)?

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 5:43 AM

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Basically whenever the player tries to open a door or a locker, etc then it will firstly see if the player has the permission in there (player could have bypass), then it checks all items in the innventory to see if any of the cards have the pertmissions for the door

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Yeah true, you cand o that

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if (player.RoleBase is IDoorPermissionProvider doorPermissionProvider)
    hasPermission = requester.CheckPermissions(doorPermissionProvider, out PermissionUsed _);

foreach (Item item in player.Items)
    if (item.Base is KeycardItem keycardItem)
    {
        hasPermission = requester.CheckPermissions(keycardItem, out PermissionUsed _);
        if (hasPermission) break;
    }```You can jsut dispose the out, since it's not used in the function, I dont actually know what it is or what it is used for lol

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And then if you dont want the if statement, I dont actually think you need the if statements then it's jsut ```cs
hasPermission = requester.CheckPermissions(player.RoleBase as IDoorPermissionProvider, out PermissionUsed _);

foreach (Item item in player.Items)
{
hasPermission = requester.CheckPermissions(item.Base as KeycardItem, out PermissionUsed _);
if (hasPermission) break;
}```

random scaffold Jul 6, 2025, 5:54 AM

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only scp can be provider?

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 6:02 AM

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grand flower Still wonder why even bother wasting money on it when there's solutions made by ...

Fun fact those already has bypass too

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 6:03 AM

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At least you're not wasting money making your less efficient version

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 6:04 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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It's an eternal fight between cheaters and devs

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 6:05 AM

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I know

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Which is why considering the limited funds NW has

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Making their own is stupid

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 6:06 AM

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Yeah, anyway back to sleep see ya at 12'

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 6:34 AM

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random scaffold only scp can be provider?

?

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 6:34 AM

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covert flame So uhh O.o

@grand flower ^^

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 6:34 AM

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Don't really have any idea based on that code unfortunately

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 6:35 AM

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Okay, isn't it just a case of updating all players, like how you have to do this when changing a size of a palyer so it updates on all other players and everything cs NetworkIdentity identity = hub.netIdentity; foreach (Player observer in Player.ReadyList) NetworkServer.SendSpawnMessage(identity, observer.Connection);

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 6:50 AM

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hearty shard U do it

i'll do it

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 6:53 AM

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plain gazelle Is it possible to limit reloading of a magazine based weapon to a single bullet ...

ReloadingWeaponEvent, get the IPrimaryAmmoContainer and cancel if it has 0 stored ammo

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 6:56 AM

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covert flame Which in this case is just this ```cs GameObject primitive = GameObject.CreatePr...

you can't just create a primitive and spawn it
you must use the primitivobjecttoy prefab

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 6:58 AM

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covert flame Okay, isn't it just a case of updating all players, like how you have to do this...

we have ScaleMessage but for now i'd suggest sticking with this approach, it doesn't brick the server
-# if you use ReadyList you're fine, Player.List will break some things

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 7:13 AM

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I'm aware of the scale stuff, and yeah, using Player.List absolutely totals everything

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:13 AM

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yeah use ReadyList

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idk why List doesn’t default to readylist tbh

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 7:13 AM

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Yeah, one of the major things that breaks is reloading

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 7:15 AM

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upper vapor you can't just create a primitive and spawn it you must use the primitivobjectto...

That would explain why only primitive doesnt work lol

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 7:21 AM

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upper vapor we have ScaleMessage but for now i'd suggest sticking with this approach, it doe...

Is it so destructive?

#

shouldn't be a replacement?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:22 AM

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celest thorn Is it so destructive?

setting the scale on role change causes the server to hang

#

so as always, you gotta do Timing.CallDelayed(0.1f

#

Kek

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 7:23 AM

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upper vapor so as always, you gotta do Timing.CallDelayed(0.1f

I love CallDelayed

#

always works

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best friend of sl modders

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:24 AM

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CallDelayed is cool

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 7:24 AM

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You have an issue with SL

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calldelayed the solution

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:25 AM

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yup

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:25 AM

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what if you're eve and you have a problem with NW

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:25 AM

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also it doesn’t even have to be 0.1, 0.0 also works the exact same way

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:25 AM

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icy knoll also it doesn’t even have to be 0.1, 0.0 also works the exact same way

not for scalemessage apparently 😭😭

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:25 AM

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damn

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:27 AM

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One frame is enough for scale message

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if you're doing it in role changed

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:28 AM

#

oh

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mb

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never used it

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:28 AM

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just use spawned event i think it runs one frame after change role is confirmed smh

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idk actually

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but i feel more comfortable using that event

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:29 AM

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spawned event is not called iirc

#

RoleChanged should work, no?

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that's after the role is initialized

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:29 AM

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if you delay one frame yes

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:30 AM

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HUHH

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:30 AM

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Don't look at me

#

I don't work on SL

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:30 AM

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upper vapor spawned event is not called iirc

sorry its the exiled brain rot

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:30 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:31 AM

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teal junco sorry its the exiled brain rot

lmaoi

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:31 AM

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im primary exiled user, spawned event for exiled is ran after role is changed

#

this includes death btw

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:31 AM

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spawned as spectator

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:31 AM

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upper vapor spawned as spectator

yeah

#

its just a weird way to name it

#

why not "ChangedRole"

#

they should both be called the same thing. "ChangingRole" and "ChangedRole", or "Spawning" and "Spawned"

carmine prawn Jul 6, 2025, 7:39 AM

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teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:40 AM

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i think i saw someone once suggest exiled wrappers for labapi events

carmine prawn Jul 6, 2025, 7:40 AM

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is TotalDamageDealt can be trusted?

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:41 AM

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exiled users/devs be doing anything but using labapi

#

💔

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:41 AM

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carmine prawn is `TotalDamageDealt` can be trusted?

For jailbird?

carmine prawn Jul 6, 2025, 7:41 AM

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yep

#

and a few other things

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:41 AM

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i would suggest using wear state or charges left instead

#

but you can test if it can be trusted by logging the total damage dealt if you need to use it for some reason

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:43 AM

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If you're just trying to check how much damage was dealt with the jailbird

#

Yes that's good

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:44 AM

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generally it can be trusted if its like, part of the wrapper

#

i dont think people will implement broken properties on a wrapper

carmine prawn Jul 6, 2025, 7:45 AM

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💀

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:46 AM

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teal junco i think i saw someone once suggest exiled wrappers for labapi events

exiled fell off

carmine prawn Jul 6, 2025, 7:47 AM

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and on hurting, TotalDamageDealt always 0

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:47 AM

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upper vapor exiled fell off

exiled has some cool stuff

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:47 AM

#

yes

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:47 AM

#

i use lab api and exiled both

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:47 AM

#

but it's dying now cuz labapi exists

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:47 AM

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that way i get anything i want

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:48 AM

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upper vapor but it's dying now cuz labapi exists

i will be sad because exiled took care of me back in 2022, and again in late 2024

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:48 AM

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💔

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:48 AM

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teal junco that way i get anything i want

trueing

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:48 AM

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i have like 9 months of experience programming c# (minus the month or so in 2022) and most of it is exiled

#

I did do a bit of minecraft modding and Unity gamedev but i dont count that because i learned almost nothing

carmine prawn Jul 6, 2025, 7:49 AM

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upper vapor but it's dying now cuz labapi exists

I don't think so

#

SCP956Capybara

#

Exiled has a lot of cool things that LabAPI doesn't

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:50 AM

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carmine prawn Exiled has a lot of cool things that LabAPI doesn't

exiled's CASSIE events are one specific example i recently had to deal with

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:50 AM

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LabAPI just needs to catch up

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Since it's newer

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:50 AM

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it took me a bunch of patching and snooping through code to achieve the same thing

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:50 AM

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At least we can patch stuff

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:50 AM

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grand flower LabAPI just needs to catch up

once people port the exiled stuff to LabApi its truly gonna be over 💔

#

Can we hold an exiled funeral

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:51 AM

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Never used it

#

Only been doing modding for SL for like, 2 months now

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:51 AM

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because exiled walked so labapi could speed walk

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:51 AM

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teal junco it took me a bunch of patching and snooping through code to achieve the same thi...

better than ditching EXILED for NWAPI

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oh gosh

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:51 AM

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grand flower Never used it

its just labapi

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:51 AM

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the suffering

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:51 AM

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all my future plugins aren’t going to have an exiled version lol, and i started with text chat

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:52 AM

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icy knoll all my future plugins aren’t going to have an exiled version lol, and i started ...

theres no real reason to have an exiled version if youre starting from labapi

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:52 AM

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yeah

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i legit don’t make exiled versions now

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:52 AM

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my plugins have exiled versions because they always start from exiled and the labapi port is always less stable

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:52 AM

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teal junco theres no real reason to have an exiled version if youre starting from labapi

yep
i started a project with EXILED and NWAPI support but then labapi emerged
i had labapi & exiled for some time but then just removed exiled

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:53 AM

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teal junco my plugins have exiled versions because they always start from exiled and the la...

when i achieved almost full feature parity between my exiled and labapi version, euphoria does not adequately describe my feelings

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for my cassie plugin

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:53 AM

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teal junco when i achieved almost full feature parity between my exiled and labapi version,...

🗣️🗣️

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 7:53 AM

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upper vapor you can't just create a primitive and spawn it you must use the primitivobjectto...

So how can I add the prefab to that lsit with all different varients of the primitive?

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:53 AM

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i love no custom configurations for my plugins now

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:53 AM

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covert flame So how can I add the prefab to that lsit with all different varients of the prim...

set the primitive type

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PrimitiveObjectToy.Create(..., networkSpawn: false)

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then set the type
and spawn it

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-# labapi wrapper

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:54 AM

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Exiled custom items and custom roles are gonna be a big loss if exiled becomes that much less popular

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ill just use slems custom item api

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but custom roles is a bit up in the air for me

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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Just make your own

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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and people will always use their own system

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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teal junco Exiled custom items and custom roles are gonna be a big loss if exiled becomes t...

i never liked exiled custom roles tbh

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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i’m surprised nobody has made like a really good custom items api yet…

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or custom roles

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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We have one

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Except you know

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The whole it's not public part

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LULLLLLL

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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grand flower The whole it's not public part

can relate

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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grand flower We have one

who

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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peak custom roles

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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Bright's

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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just not public

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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all my plugins are public, even the one for my server lol

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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icy knoll all my plugins are public, even the one for my server lol

cuz you work for yourself basically

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:55 AM

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Hasn't stopped servers from attempting to reproduce Bright's so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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icy knoll all my plugins are public, even the one for my server lol

i prefer to do it this way but i understand why

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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upper vapor cuz you work for yourself basically

true

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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upper vapor PrimitiveObjectToy.Create(..., networkSpawn: false)

Is that what you would do for any admin toy?

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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In house is better than anything else

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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covert flame Is that what you would do for any admin toy?

all primitives

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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grand flower In house is better than anything else

Because its proprietary and fully fitted to your exact needs

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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check the labapi wrappers

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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so yea

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:56 AM

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camera toy, speaker toy etc

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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grand flower In house is better than anything else

i’m trying to make it so the majority of the stuff on my server is my own… unless a developer that i consider better than myself has made it then i’ll use that instead

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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altho as a solo dev i usually like cutting corners whereever i can because i dont need to make my own implementatjon of everything

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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Then how come I do this and it works fine:

if (gameObject.TryGetComponent(out AdminToys.LightSourceToy _))
{
    objectList.Add(Types.ObjectType.LightSource, gameObject);
    continue;
}

if (gameObject.TryGetComponent(out AdminToys.CapybaraToy _))
{
    objectList.Add(Types.ObjectType.Capybara, gameObject);
    continue;
}```But I cant do it for primitives

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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i’m still waiting for ax’s scp prox chat :3

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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meaning using plugins

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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covert flame Then how come I do this and it works fine: ```cs if (gameObject.TryGetComponent(...

what

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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altho...

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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teal junco altho as a solo dev i usually like cutting corners whereever i can because i don...

I hate using third party stuff

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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icy knoll i’m still waiting for ax’s scp prox chat :3

await SecretAPI.ReleaseVersion2Stable();

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 7:57 AM

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Outside of like C# libs

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I would never use someone else's plugin on my own servers

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:58 AM

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upper vapor await SecretAPI.ReleaseVersion2Stable();

another eve issue smh

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:58 AM

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teal junco altho...

i wanted a radio system that played gta radio stuff and i couldnt find anything useful so i had to code it from scratch in one morning 😭

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 7:58 AM

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They really needa make a plugins-dev-chat-2

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:58 AM

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gta radio rips from youtube are deadass 120 minutes

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:58 AM

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covert flame They really needa make a `plugins-dev-chat-2`

#1274618202227216414

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:58 AM

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covert flame They really needa make a `plugins-dev-chat-2`

#1274618202227216414

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:58 AM

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or give us threads here 😭

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:59 AM

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teal junco i wanted a radio system that played gta radio stuff and i couldnt find anything ...

wdym gta radio

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 7:59 AM

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My point still stands lol

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:59 AM

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oh

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this

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 7:59 AM

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upper vapor or give us threads here 😭

i’d ping lucid if they weren’t LOA

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 7:59 AM

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despair

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 7:59 AM

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upper vapor this

what do you mean this

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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teal junco gta radio rips from youtube are deadass 120 minutes

this

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just discord not discording

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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teal junco gta radio rips from youtube are deadass 120 minutes

also gta radio is procedurally generated, but i cant find the individual pieces anywhere online which sucks

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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upper vapor this

oh yeaj

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so if i load it in APA itll be like

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1 gb ram per vid

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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F

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Run through ffmpeg

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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teal junco 1 gb ram per vid

SteamHappy

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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turn into audio

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:00 AM

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how do you solve it

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 8:01 AM

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upper vapor how do you solve it

i made a special solution which reads the audio file in real time

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:01 AM

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covert flame

@upper vapor This is what I have to get all prefabs that I need, so how do I add all types of primitivbe to the object list, y'know

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:01 AM

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you download it? 😭

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 8:01 AM

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upper vapor you download it? 😭

no i predownload it

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as an ogg file

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but i read it from the file as it goes

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instead of well, loading the entire thing..

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:02 AM

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teal junco but i read it from the file as it goes

yeah that's good

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 8:02 AM

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If you want i can get the dll.

i cant get the source because i havent uploaded it to github and im halfway across the country from my laptop

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anyways

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:02 AM

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no need, i get how you do that

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 8:03 AM

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teal junco anyways

thats a cool thing about being able to make your own plugins

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:03 AM

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covert flame <@435474959595208704> This is what I have to get all prefabs that I need, so how...

it seems you're making yet another map editor
consider https://github.com/Axwabo/slocLoader
it has an easy api to spawn objects programmatically

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 8:03 AM

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once i had someone ask me to build a server blacklist into the plugin i made for them

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like it checks the server and then disables if its a certain server 😭

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:04 AM

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wha

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:04 AM

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upper vapor it seems you're making yet another map editor consider <https://github.com/Axwab...

I'm not, I'm making a gun, that spawns gameobjcts when shooting, nothing more, nothing less

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:04 AM

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oh

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:04 AM

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Hence why Im not using a whole other dependency for it

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:05 AM

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well you need the primitiveobject prefab for all primitives
why not just
use the LabAPI wrappers

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 8:06 AM

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relying on dependency is for pussies :trolley:

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:06 AM

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Exactly, nah, I dont want a whole dependency to only use like 3 functions from it

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:07 AM

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covert flame Exactly, nah, I dont want a whole dependency to only use like 3 functions from i...

true

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 8:07 AM

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i only use a dependency if i’m using multiple things from it or it’s too complicated to make myself

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hence why secretapi ssss stuff lol

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:08 AM

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Exactly, or im too lazy

teal junco Jul 6, 2025, 8:11 AM

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covert flame Exactly, nah, I dont want a whole dependency to only use like 3 functions from i...

thats why i work with REFERENCEHUBS and ITEMBASE and ROLEBASE

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these pansy ass kids using "Player" and "FirearmItem"

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 8:15 AM

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I will wait for this for a lovely nw developer to answer but can we use SimpleWearable? because this seems to work and in someways with cosmetics system or primitives?

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:16 AM

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upper vapor well you need the primitiveobject prefab for all primitives why not just use the...

How would I use LabAPI wrappers

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:16 AM

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teal junco thats why i work with REFERENCEHUBS and ITEMBASE and ROLEBASE

real

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:17 AM

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covert flame How would I use LabAPI wrappers

you just

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use it

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using LabApi.Features.Wrappers

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PrimitiveObjectToy.Create

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for structures, you still need the prefab method

random scaffold Jul 6, 2025, 8:22 AM

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for dblite need do Task.Run?

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or it will be without any lags in main thread

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:22 AM

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upper vapor PrimitiveObjectToy.Create

You're gonna have to spoonfeed me a second here, I want add a gameobject to a list liek as the prefab, like you would've saw in that function

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:23 AM

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you don't add it to a prefab list when spawning primitivies

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have an if like if (type is ObjectType.Cube or ObjectType.Sphere...) and in that case, spawn a primitiveobjecttoy with the labapi method

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:24 AM

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Well I add it to the list when spawning something like the capybara

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:24 AM

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else, use the prefab list

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public static GameObject Spawn(ObjectType type /* ... */)
{
    if (type is ObjectType.Cube or ObjectType.Sphere /* ... */)
    {
         var toy = PrimitiveObjectToy.Create(position, rotation, networkSpawn: false);
         toy.Color = color;
         toy.Type = type switch
         {
             ObjectType.Cube => PrimitiveType.Cube,
             // ...
         };
         toy.Spawn();
         return toy.GameObject;
    }
    // dictionary thing
}

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:32 AM

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I thought you couldnt do the

toy.Type = objectType switch
{
    Types.ObjectType.CubePrimitive => PrimitiveType.Cube,
};``` because of the .NET version no?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:34 AM

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it's not dependent on the .NET version

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most C# features are syntactic sugar

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just add <LangVersion>13</LangVersion> in a property group in the csproj

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:35 AM

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You serious, I could've had that switch thing?

grand flower Jul 6, 2025, 8:35 AM

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Yup

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:36 AM

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covert flame You serious, I could've had that switch thing?

if you're using VS...

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it gaslights you into not being able to swith C# versions

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:36 AM

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I'm gonna go cry in a corner for a bit, is that okay

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:37 AM

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yep, completely valid 👍

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:37 AM

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Okay, so, now that that's done, where does it go?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:38 AM

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covert flame Okay, so, now that that's done, where does it go?

example
https://github.com/Axwabo/ModeratorTools/blob/2f0ab4d680e9c548d768106924c0357835abf371/ModeratorTools/ModeratorTools.csproj#L5

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:39 AM

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Is it okay if my .csproj file looks like a nightmare?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:39 AM

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yeah

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it's uh

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old framework style project

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you can convert it to SDK-style pretty easily

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:40 AM

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How do I do that please

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That pisses me off so much that I couldve used that type of switch statement

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:41 AM

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you can copy my csproj
basically
<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk"> on the first line
and <TargetFramework>net48</TargetFramework> in one of the property groups
you can remove most bullshit from the property groups

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:41 AM

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define most

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 8:42 AM

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99%

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:44 AM

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Lemme guess type is ObjectType.Cube or ObjectType.Sphere /* ... */) was also another thing that I couldnt do before

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:45 AM

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correct

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:45 AM

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covert flame define most

https://github.com/Axwabo/slocLoader/commit/16791c049eadfe76913a18086406b80a0181b590#diff-dc1e39a587114bb2a762c43f1f951bbd47c44892e00b69efc0705a21254ace4e

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:45 AM

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Im gonna go cry again

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All done

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 8:49 AM

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icy knoll i’m surprised nobody has made like a really good custom items api yet…

Feel free to pr your own change or whatever SteamHappy

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 8:50 AM

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restive turret Feel free to pr your own change or whatever<:SteamHappy:1157333712950800497>

ur the one who said it was bad

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so

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i just relayed that info

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idk what's bad about it

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lol

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 8:52 AM

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I never said it's bad

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It just different than exiled ones

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 8:53 AM

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must have misunderstood then

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mb

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😭

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:53 AM

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upper vapor ```csharp public static GameObject Spawn(ObjectType type /* ... */) { if (ty...

Thoughts?```cs
private static readonly Dictionary<Types.ObjectType, PrimitiveType> ObjectToPrimitiveMap = new()
{
{ Types.ObjectType.SpherePrimitive, PrimitiveType.Sphere },
{ Types.ObjectType.CapsulePrimitive, PrimitiveType.Capsule },
{ Types.ObjectType.CylinderPrimitive, PrimitiveType.Cylinder },
{ Types.ObjectType.CubePrimitive, PrimitiveType.Cube },
{ Types.ObjectType.PlanePrimitive, PrimitiveType.Plane },
{ Types.ObjectType.QuadPrimitive, PrimitiveType.Quad },
};

public static GameObject SpawnObject(Types.ObjectType objectType, Vector3 position, Quaternion rotation, Vector3 size, Color colour)
{
if (ObjectToPrimitiveMap.ContainsKey(objectType))
{
var toy = PrimitiveObjectToy.Create(position, rotation, networkSpawn: false);
toy.Color = colour;
toy.Scale = size;
toy.Type = ObjectToPrimitiveMap.TryGetValue(objectType, out var result) ? result : PrimitiveType.Cube;
toy.Spawn();

    ItemCache.SpawnedToolGunObjects.Add(toy.GameObject);
    return toy.GameObject;
}

GetObjectPrefabs().TryGetValue(objectType, out GameObject prefab);
GameObject instance = GameObject.Instantiate(prefab, position, rotation);
instance.transform.localScale = size;

NetworkServer.Spawn(instance);
ItemCache.SpawnedToolGunObjects.Add(instance);
return instance;

}```

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 8:54 AM

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why not use trygetvalue in the first if

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 8:55 AM

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I dunno, because Im not thinking

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@upper vapor Am I allolwed to just change ALL == to is, ALL && to and, ALL || to or?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:03 AM

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no need

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 9:03 AM

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But what if, I wanna, because it looks better?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:03 AM

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if you have a variable that can have multiple values, yes do that

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 9:04 AM

#

foreach (Door door in Door.List)
{
   if (door.DoorName == DoorName.SurfaceGate ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.SurfaceNuke ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.SurfaceEscapePrimary ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.SurfaceEscapeSecondary ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.SurfaceEscapeFinal)
        door.Lock(DoorLockReason.AdminCommand, false);
}

foreach (Door door in Door.List)
{
    if (door.DoorName == DoorName.None && !ElevatorDoor.AllElevatorDoors.Values.SelectMany(list => list).Contains(door.Base))
        door.Lock(DoorLockReason.AdminCommand, false);

    if (door.DoorName == DoorName.EzGateA ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.EzGateB ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.EzIntercom)
        door.IsOpened = true;
}

foreach (Door door in Door.List)
{
    if ((door.DoorName == DoorName.None && !ElevatorDoor.AllElevatorDoors.Values.SelectMany(list => list).Contains(door.Base)) ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.HczHidLower ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.HczHidUpper)
        door.Lock(DoorLockReason.AdminCommand, false);

    if (door.DoorName == DoorName.HczHidChamber ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.HczArmory ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.Hcz049Armory ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.Hcz079FirstGate ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.Hcz096 ||
            door.DoorName == DoorName.Hcz049Armory)
        door.IsOpened = true;
}```Does this look nice

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:05 AM

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oh these cases

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yes change them

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but for "one to one" equality checks no need to replace to is

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 9:05 AM

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Yeah, IM GONNA CRYY

royal mica Jul 6, 2025, 9:05 AM

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why 3 foreach? or is this from separate files?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:05 AM

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vs can probably do that for you

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quick fix

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convert to pattern matching

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something

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 9:06 AM

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royal mica why 3 foreach? or is this from separate files?

I DONT KNOWWW 😭

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Lord have mercy on my soul

royal mica Jul 6, 2025, 9:07 AM

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lmao, just do not get overwhelmed, you'll slowly learn 😄

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 9:07 AM

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I've been coding for 6 years O.o

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I have my moments

royal mica Jul 6, 2025, 9:07 AM

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OH ICANT

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sorry for assuming

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just lol

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 9:08 AM

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Yup, no it's okay though

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That's why humans can cry

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:09 AM

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also next you create a new project
choose the latest .NET SDK (8 or 9)
then add <TargetFramework>net48 in the property group and you're good to go

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maybe don't forget unsafe code

royal mica Jul 6, 2025, 9:09 AM

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what do you need unsafe anyway

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 9:09 AM

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upper vapor also next you create a new project choose the latest .NET SDK (8 or 9) then add ...

There aint gonna be anew project, this is the project

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:10 AM

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okay

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:10 AM

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royal mica what do you need unsafe anyway

publicized assemblies

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 9:10 AM

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upper vapor publicized assemblies

No

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Only for harmony

royal mica Jul 6, 2025, 9:11 AM

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me when publicize mmLol

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:11 AM

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royal mica me when publicize <:mmLol:255661476390371328>

have you tried

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not

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 9:12 AM

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Oh nvm I dont really know.
All my plugin has unsafe code true

royal mica Jul 6, 2025, 9:12 AM

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No

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:12 AM

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existing in minecraft

royal mica Jul 6, 2025, 9:12 AM

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I like my dependencies private, no need for public showoff troll_smile

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:12 AM

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😭😭

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 9:14 AM

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Okay well I cant wait to have a day dedicated to going through all my code, (there's so much 😭), and updating it to use the new things

royal mica Jul 6, 2025, 9:14 AM

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I yearn for the day when I sit down and unspaghetti the code

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:15 AM

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royal mica I yearn for the day when I sit down and unspaghetti the code

mamma mia

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 9:15 AM

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Ax

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You moved to Italy?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:15 AM

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no

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(un)fortunately not

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tbh idk which would be better

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 9:16 AM

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Italy is so chill

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You just don't do shit after lunch

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Until like 4pm

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:16 AM

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covert flame Okay well I cant wait to have a day dedicated to going through all my code, (the...

me when

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:17 AM

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unique crane Italy is so chill

i heard otherwise

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 9:19 AM

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I guess depends where

limber silo Jul 6, 2025, 9:19 AM

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are you italian david

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 9:19 AM

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No

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Czech

limber silo Jul 6, 2025, 9:20 AM

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oh cool

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 9:20 AM

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But I spent a week in there several times

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:20 AM

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vacation != living

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 9:20 AM

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royal mica I yearn for the day when I sit down and unspaghetti the code

Wake up, fresh day, feeling fresh, sun is out, sit down, nice clean desk with a clean room, cup of coffee, relaxing music while you unspaghetti your code

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I dream of that day

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:20 AM

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that's what retirement should look like
-# -ThePrimeagen

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 9:27 AM

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upper vapor vacation != living

Well they did seem pretty chill

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XD

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:27 AM

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try living in hungary

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 9:27 AM

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No thanks

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:27 AM

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not recommended

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 9:27 AM

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It's not good here either

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:27 AM

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like omg it's so ice when you visit

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but not for long term

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i won't get into details lol

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 9:27 AM

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upper vapor like omg it's so ice when you visit

so ice

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ice ice baby

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 9:28 AM

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yep

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🥶

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 9:58 AM

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limber silo are you italian david

Im italian

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Pizza, pasta, mandolino place

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 10:17 AM

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royal mica I yearn for the day when I sit down and unspaghetti the code

I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna make some nice hot chocolate, sit down, and go through every file and update it all, I am just so excited

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:22 AM

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Ok I'm clueless how to use mer

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Time to make my own

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 10:24 AM

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unique crane Time to make my own

there are 3 other editors, 2 of which are public

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:25 AM

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All I want is

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Save in unity

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Load in game

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 10:25 AM

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unique crane Save in unity

i have the perfect stuff for you

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Assetsbundle

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 10:26 AM

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#1338831766592684063 #1338613365555335300

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:26 AM

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Unknown

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 10:26 AM

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click them

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:26 AM

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Maybe it's cause I'm on phone

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 10:26 AM

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bruh

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:26 AM

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And I still have old discord

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 10:27 AM

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This exist

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wait wtf is the issue?

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its a random issue

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:28 AM

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Issue

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 10:29 AM

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i fixed it 1 month ago

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tho

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:30 AM

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Pretty sure there are unclosed issues which has been resolved in labapi too

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I'll go through them next update xd

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 10:31 AM

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lol

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 10:31 AM

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unique crane Unknown

Slocloader, mapforge

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:32 AM

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Ax still maintains sloc?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 10:32 AM

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yes

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update is in the works

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just not pushed xd

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:33 AM

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Damm

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Make it for unity 6 pls

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 10:33 AM

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i am upgrading yes

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 10:33 AM

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Yipee

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 10:34 AM

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wanna know what it took me to update to unity6

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just placing it

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thats it

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not a single line

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 10:35 AM

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yup

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and also no more lightshape

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some deprecated methods

silver otter Jul 6, 2025, 11:15 AM

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.

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 11:35 AM

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i wanna ask a stupid question because i was looking at the guns etc... and i saw that there's no check for guns

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like client can say whatever they want

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and still be accepted

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 11:39 AM

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What

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 11:39 AM

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there's nothing here to validate

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like

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there's shouldn't be a bit of validation?

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if the player is really telling the truth?

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 11:39 AM

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it processes using backtrack

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 11:40 AM

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And im in the backtrack class rn

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hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 11:40 AM

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it sets your position temporarily and stuff idk

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 11:41 AM

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the backtracker seems only for desync

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and thats it

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not really a check

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yep this i think its only called to the client so most likely the client does the validation and hands it over to the server

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but its not unsecure to do something like this?

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honestly im curious on how it works

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 11:50 AM

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What validation you assume

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 11:50 AM

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restive turret What validation you assume

Validating what the client says of who is the client shooting

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like

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Hey im shooting X but in reality im not shooting X

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but Y

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or even at nothing

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and seems obv to have some kind of validation in the server

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to verify what the client says?

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 11:51 AM

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it validates if you could shoot what ur claiming

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 11:52 AM

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hearty shard it validates if you could shoot what ur claiming

it doesn't seem to do it anywhere?

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 11:52 AM

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its what backtracker does

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no ?

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 11:52 AM

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no?

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the backtrack only checks past

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and thats it

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if you are dead

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 11:52 AM

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it should backtrack you to claimed position if possible

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and if not possible deny idk

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guh

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 11:52 AM

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thats it

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 11:57 AM

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hearty shard it validates if you could shoot what ur claiming

never trust eve

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:3

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 11:57 AM

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true cedar never trust eve

im going off memory

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anyway

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u suck

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 11:59 AM

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ur gay

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:02 PM

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true cedar ur gay

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 12:03 PM

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upper vapor

ax homophobic?!?!?

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:03 PM

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do you guys know if there is any way to make ur own abstract plugin class for labapi? im making one for my plugin (with loads of plugins inside) that just makes it easier to load a translation... but labapi throws massive errors every time i try start the plugin

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:03 PM

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hearty shard ax homophobic?!?!?

I'm one of yall queersies, dw

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 12:03 PM

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icy knoll do you guys know if there is any way to make ur own abstract plugin class for la...

you cant make it abstract

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but you can make them virtual

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:04 PM

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hmm

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:04 PM

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upper vapor I'm one of yall queersies, dw

It's just funny to say "omg they're gae shook "

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 12:04 PM

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icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:04 PM

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hearty shard but you can make them virtual

so im curious about how to do this then...

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 12:04 PM

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public virtual void Die()
{
}

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:04 PM

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yes i know that

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but like

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:04 PM

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icy knoll do you guys know if there is any way to make ur own abstract plugin class for la...

Uh

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 12:05 PM

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99% sure you can make virtual regardless of abstract

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guh

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:05 PM

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Does labapi not check if the class is abstract

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?

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:05 PM

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i just wanna override LoadConfigs() and add a translation, without having to do it for each fucking plugin otherwise ill go insane

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:05 PM

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upper vapor Does labapi not check if the class is abstract

no

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 12:05 PM

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it should but it might not since why would you have it like that

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:05 PM

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😭

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Time for another loader PR

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I wanna fix embedded dependencies anyway

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:05 PM

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literally this is all i do 😭

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idk what to do for now other than copy and paste that into every plugin...

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 12:07 PM

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Should I do all of the suggested actions?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:07 PM

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Source generator Smart

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:07 PM

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upper vapor Source generator <:Smart:885618421763567647>

never used nor seen one i think

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:07 PM

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How about aaaaa

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 12:08 PM

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kill ax

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:08 PM

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Separate class that has the config and translation

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:08 PM

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hearty shard kill ax

No NAudio for you

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:08 PM

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upper vapor Separate class that has the config and translation

😭

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 12:08 PM

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Talking to you @upper vapor

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:08 PM

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upper vapor Separate class that has the config and translation

Then you only need to copy paste like 2 lines

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:08 PM

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covert flame Should I do all of the suggested actions?

Which ones

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 12:09 PM

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covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 12:09 PM

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upper vapor Which ones

2 most common are the new simplifications and the Collection initialization simplifications

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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Ye sure

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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Also there's 550 suggestions

restive turret Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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Why not

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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covert flame 2 most common are the new simplifications and the Collection initialization simp...

I'd do that, yeah
But first please check if your IDE has a quick fix for that

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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time to make a pr to labapi to check if the class is abstract...

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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upper vapor I'd do that, yeah But first please check if your IDE has a quick fix for that

I've already done half of that 550

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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icy knoll time to make a pr to labapi to check if the class is abstract...

How about you let me do that

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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covert flame I've already done half of that 550

Uuuuhhhh

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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Also, my IDE is VSC lol

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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upper vapor How about you let me do that

will u remember tho...

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:10 PM

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covert flame Also, my IDE is VSC lol

The C# dev kit should have quick fixes, no?

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:11 PM

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icy knoll will u remember tho...

I need another change in the loader anywag

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:11 PM

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okie

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:11 PM

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icy knoll will u remember tho...

Yes

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Did I just answer that twice

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Crazy Span<Attention> toomuchtrolling

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:11 PM

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technically yes

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😭

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ur addicted to spans

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 12:13 PM

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Goldfish attention span

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:14 PM

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unique crane Goldfish attention span

david why doesn't labapi check for abstract loaders...

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you cant make ur own custom loaders now...

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 12:14 PM

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Wdym

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:14 PM

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unique crane Goldfish attention span

Make it ReadOnly

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:14 PM

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icy knoll you cant make ur own custom loaders now...

You can
If you reinvent it Smart

hearty shard Jul 6, 2025, 12:14 PM

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unique crane Wdym

if (!plugin.IsAbstract) before instaniating

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 12:14 PM

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Uhhhh

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Make pr

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:15 PM

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I'll PR that if it hasn't been PR'd internally

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:15 PM

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upper vapor You can If you reinvent it <:Smart:885618421763567647>

im not building my own labapi 😭

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 12:15 PM

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Nothing I would know of

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:16 PM

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yup

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no check

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blegh

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now gotta hope that ax's pr gets merged before the next sl update and the next sl update being soon...

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 12:18 PM

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leek

icy knoll Jul 6, 2025, 12:18 PM

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unique crane <:leek:855521704985100308>

wdym leak buddy

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idk the release timetable

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smh

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 12:18 PM

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Lettuce then

true cedar Jul 6, 2025, 12:21 PM

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hi chat

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except eve

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everyone EXCEPT eve.

unique crane Jul 6, 2025, 12:21 PM

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Haiii

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 12:25 PM

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hiiii

celest thorn Jul 6, 2025, 12:26 PM

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unique crane Haiii

David i have a question there's any way to force the you know outside of bounds skybox with like that sky etc...

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outside of surface

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i cannot seem to be able to force it to the client to load that

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 12:28 PM

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upper vapor The C# dev kit should have quick fixes, no?

Do you use [.. ] instead of thigns like ToList()

upper vapor Jul 6, 2025, 12:36 PM

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no

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personally i prefer .ToList and .ToArray over [..original]
just pick what looks better for you

covert flame Jul 6, 2025, 12:37 PM

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Yeah same, I prefer ToList()