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true cedar
um
restive turret
yup
severe cave
we all know what you searched up...
searched up maroツ and got this
celest thorn
searched up maroツ and got this
NAH bro
you are making it worst
trust me
you can stop typing
slender lynx
sl devs i SWEAR
celest thorn
lol
severe cave
im just saying facts
that maro is a?
celest thorn
spongebob getting white liquid in his face
celest thorn
that maro is a?
A?
severe cave
spongebob getting white liquid in his face
that means what?
slender lynx
what ate yall on abt
severe cave
spongebob getting white liquid in his face
probably milk
true cedar
i think u guys should maybe perhaps stop
celest thorn
yea i think
slender lynx
i think u guys should maybe perhaps stop
i cant go one week without someone bein wierd to me
used to it atp
celest thorn
i did get a lot of steam games though
i shouldn't say here what i want to say so let me go in dms
slender lynx
He dragged out "womaaaan" in a mocking voice.
ok?
celest thorn
im confused by this entire convo
slender lynx
i dont blame you
celest thorn
im too normal sorry
slate flume
i did get a lot of steam games though
Man that sounds heavenly
slender lynx
severe cave
i did get a lot of steam games though
what type of steam games tho?
slender lynx
ngl i dont even remember
restive turret
i think u guys should maybe perhaps stop
See ? Always the server hosts!
teal junco
an empty sample is basically 0.0f right?
spare zodiac
hey any idea why navmesh in HCZ is fucked up?
spare zodiac
Because HcZ is fucked up
the server room for example when I tried teleporting to the individual server it was not in the middle as it should
idk if I can use only hitboxes or colliders
humble haven
How to create gunshots from nothing?
upper vapor
an empty sample is basically 0.0f right?
Yes
unique crane
How to create gunshots from nothing?
You can either spawn dummy, give it a gun and fire it
Or get the audio file and play it from speaker toy
teal junco
i was gonna make a node based ai system but im starting to think I maybe should just figure out navmeshes
icy knoll
Does anyone know how to add static properties/methods to an interface? I see SecretAPI and some other plugins do it and it seems to work fine but when I do it for my project I always get Target runtime does not support default interface implementation
upper vapor
Does anyone know how to add static properties/methods to an interface? I see Sec...
Switch to .NET Standard
grand flower
Pretty sure I tried that a few days ago
didn't work
oh right no
static abstract
icy knoll
Switch to .NET Standard
will it work as an SL plugin tho? also secretapi uses net48 😭
grand flower
If it works in secret api
upper vapor
Net standard wouldn't do shit
Right
restive turret
If it works in secret api
It does not
upper vapor
they probs just have latest C# version enabled
That's a runtime thing
icy knoll
It does not
icy knoll
https://github.com/Misfiy/SecretAPI/blob/master/SecretAPI/Features/IRegister.cs
works here in this interface
upper vapor
will it work as an SL plugin tho? also secretapi uses net48 😭
Where does it use static interface members
grand flower
yeah that's not static abstract
icy knoll
target framework is net48
restive turret
yeah that's not static abstract
^^
grand flower
Make sure you have latest C# enabled
terse bone
that's the key to success
grand flower
oh
restive turret
Hmm
icy knoll
is it fuckin mscorlib?
terse bone
yup
icy knoll
restive turret
Dont fuck the mscorlib
upper vapor
You didn't initialize the collection
restive turret
Blowing your plugin app
upper vapor
= [];
icy knoll
added mscorlib, still have the issue :c
upper vapor
Show your csproj
upper vapor
added mscorlib, still have the issue :c
Commands = [];
restive turret
Because its public, set it to private
icy knoll
Because its public, set it to private
the public methods have the same issue
icy knoll
restive turret
Btw.
SecretAPI doesn't use mscorlib as reference
icy knoll
Btw.
SecretAPI doesn't use mscorlib as reference
it does reference mscorlib
restive turret
Ah ye
icy knoll
just checked
upper vapor
Why are you running a Discord bot in an SL server...
icy knoll
Why are you running a Discord bot in an SL server...
because it works
I put it on a seperate thread dw
upper vapor
And what if the server restarts
The bot has to restart, too
upper vapor
😭
upper vapor
Okay how about you move the methods and field to a static class
icy knoll
that's what I did before but it was ugly as hell and annoying to maintain as I would have to go to seperate folders in API
icy knoll
i could make a new folder for it, true
upper vapor
i could make a new folder for it, true
But you don't need to do that
icy knoll
im just tryna structure it in a good way 😭
upper vapor
Okay
icy knoll
idk what is best lol
upper vapor
Works on net standard 2.1 
Dunno how eve hacked it
@hearty shard
How did you get default interface impl in net framework 4.8
hearty shard
How did you get default interface impl in net framework 4.8
add mscorlib.dll
its in server files
icy knoll
why did it not work for me then 😭
hearty shard
removing does this
add it
<Reference Include="mscorlib" HintPath="$(SL_REFERENCES)\mscorlib.dll" />
icy knoll
<Reference Include="mscorlib" HintPath="$(EXILED_REFERENCES)\mscorlib.dll" Private="false" />
I did add it
grrrr
upper vapor
Maybe do <DisableImplicitFrameworkReferences>true
unique crane
Observable collection my beloved
icy knoll
Maybe do <DisableImplicitFrameworkReferences>true
sadly did not work :c
wait lemme clone secretapi on this machine
might be smth to do with me being on my mac rn
upper vapor
Imagine
hearty shard
icy knoll
it is because im on my mac
wtf
this is racism
or it may be because mscorlib is corrupted
lemme reinstall exiled references
yup it's not that, okie time to wait until i get home to finish this stuff then 😭
upper vapor
Did you update mscorlib from the SL files?
restive turret
it is because im on my mac
Mac issue i don't even know how devs work on that shit
icy knoll
Did you update mscorlib from the SL files?
i use exiled references on my mac
usually works fine
unless they outdated
i dont have steam
icy knoll
Mac issue i don't even know how devs work on that shit
i feel more productive on my mac and i love to develop on this thing
it's really nice
windows is nice too but i prefer macs for developing 99% of things
restive turret
i dont have steam
Mac issue
restive turret
Mac doesn't have games
restive turret
True it doesn't
icy knoll
it does tho 😭
restive turret
Nah in my mind there is 0 games on Mac, and only suffering
Anyway
Try it in Linux VM
Can Mac create vm?
icy knoll
Nah in my mind there is 0 games on Mac, and only suffering
can you not like add personal opinions to facts please?
icy knoll
Can Mac create vm?
ofc
unique crane
Mac when anything: no
icy knoll
😭
restive turret
Try it in GitHub actions
icy knoll
true
restive turret
Push changes see compile
restive turret
can you not like add personal opinions to facts please?
Wdym that facts
icy knoll
bruh
restive turret
Also you might wanna change the public observebale
Ti smtv lkmd
private / internal
and just a List
Also initialize too
unique crane
Or you can make your own ObservableCollection
Its just List wrapper with event delegates
icy knoll
ill just code with the errors
seems to work fine
and ill compile when at home or use github
restive turret
Or just don't do it inside the interface
upper vapor
i use exiled references on my mac
Please get some help
From jesus-qc's reference downloader
icy knoll
From jesus-qc's reference downloader
i forgot about that
can you provide the link so i can star it
upper vapor
I can't find it lol
icy knoll
lol
restive turret
From jesus-qc's reference downloader
The real question is, does it work with mac?
DepotDownloader should work
upper vapor
The real question is, does it work with mac?
Lmfao
It's. NET so it should work
Uses DepotDownloader under the hood
royal mica
Should basegame issues be reported on the LabAPI github as well, or where
Rather, will this be fixed in the next update or yet to be reported?
hearty shard
!bugreport
regal lakeBOT
You can report a bug using the instructions found here: https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1388685084302905464
royal mica
bruh, I should learn to read
restive turret
Rather, will this be fixed in the next update or yet to be reported?
I don't get it
restive turret
Oh lel
hearty shard
yeah
upper vapor
Northfart
royal mica
And reported 
and also, the old bodies of players do not get their Ragdoll component stored?!
hearty shard
what
royal mica
Old ragdolls do not have the BasicRagdoll component
ok nvm something is very weird going on
yeah wtf, some ragdolls do not have BasicRagdoll component on it lol
restive turret
Because it's not a basic is advanced
royal mica
There is advanced ragdoll?!
me when I deal with Basic and Advanced walks in
(I love when I have to delete a reference from the list, so the Rider decompiler ACTUALLY DECOMPILES THE DLLS AND NOT CRASHES NOT DOING ANYTHING)
But wait, all ragdolls inherit the BasicRagdoll
wtf
royal mica
Just to double check myself, go.GetComponentInParent<BasicRagdoll>() gets all of the components that inherit BasicRagdoll, right?
restive turret
¯_(ツ)_/¯
teal junco
how do I install unity AI packages into scp sl? or is it already there?
sorry im just not at my pc
royal mica
how do I install unity AI packages into scp sl? or is it already there?
You put the DLLs in the Dependencies folder
restive turret
how do I install unity AI packages into scp sl? or is it already there?
UnityEngine.AIModule.dll
Already exists
teal junco
so its already in the managed dlls for SL dedicated server?
restive turret
Yes
restive turret
Just to double check myself, `go.GetComponentInParent<BasicRagdoll>()` gets all ...
Also probably yes
Also what u want with ai module
teal junco
Also what u want with ai module
sorry for late response
i wanted to see if i could get a basic navmesh agent working
and then next i was gonna attach it to a dummy
restive turret
I don't think nw conpuled nawmesh
hearty shard
NOOO
royal mica
Someone shared a custom navmesh
hearty shard
JESUSSSA
hearty shard
jesus got hacked or smth
languid temple
Yep
restive turret
F
languid temple
Their account is compromised
royal mica
clicked on a phising link 
teal junco
I don't think nw conpuled nawmesh
cant you bake navmesh at runtime?
if i attach the navmesh component to something and then bake it
royal mica
I think you can do that, but wouldn't that make the map gen much longer?
teal junco
I think you can do that, but wouldn't that make the map gen much longer?
Yeah. it really depends on how expensive navmesh bakes are
restive turret
I think you can do that, but wouldn't that make the map gen much longer?
~100 room exists so
teal junco
i could also have a program that runs through every possible room and caches the resulting navmesh and embed that into my plugin
teal junco
that way its mostly a matter of grabbing the cached mesh
restive turret
You can do is, make a nawmesh inside the prefab
If you can do this, you can also cache it
hearty shard
Their account is compromised
miller 💔
teal junco
You can do is, make a nawmesh inside the prefab
i barely understand how the rooms are structured (in terms of unity) to be honest
hearty shard
#bringbackjesus
teal junco
so i wouldnt know how to find the gameobject
restive turret
i barely understand how the rooms are structured (in terms of unity) to be hones...
Same, never used unity so cant even tell anything
royal mica
You could generate the room navmeshes and save them longterm serialized and them load them dynamically based on map generation
languid temple
#bringbackjesus
Will try
unique crane
cant you bake navmesh at runtime?
Yes you can
restive turret
#bringbackjesus
He will respawn in 3 day
iced, i think you should check out how navmesh and these stuff works
teal junco
You could generate the room navmeshes and save them longterm serialized and them...
its probably better to do that
restive turret
Or ask someone who know
teal junco
iced, i think you should check out how navmesh and these stuff works
well i know how to set it up in a unity project, at a basic level. but it gets slightly more complicated and tedious when i have to do everything programatically
I might just put off this project until after vacation
teal junco
Yes you can
fire
teal junco
its probably better to do that
that way if the rooms update people can just delete their cache and let it rebake
restive turret
well i know how to set it up in a unity project, at a basic level. but it gets s...
We can combine our knowledge the make a best SCP SL AI 🔥🔥
royal mica
AI enshittifcation arrives at SL: Every server is filled with AI bots 
You see 24/25, you join and it just slot fill bots waiting for normal players
teal junco
AI enshittifcation arrives at SL: Every server is filled with AI bots <:despair:...
Maybe thats why most NPC implementations are closed source
i wanted to make squad based AIs so they would coordinate and talk over vc and use their radios
that would be so tuff
unique crane
5 TPS
teal junco
I doubt it would be that heavy
limber silo
JESUSSSA
I installed an open source fat32 formatter because I was modding an old psp weeks ago and seems like it had a cookie stealer. I use a encrypted password manager and passkeys, my old password was ^V^NTfeycH9%pzsn08fUeJA16&rzaCXX, hate discord for not rotating session cookies periodically.
restive turret
Thanks for the password
Now im inside your account
Posting a cat pic.
Shhh jesus you should post a cat pic rn
restive turret
i wanted to make squad based AIs so they would coordinate and talk over vc and u...
I just only want as a normal player or smth so they can fight each other
hearty shard
restive turret
upper vapor
You can do is, make a nawmesh inside the prefab
Hell naw mesh
restive turret
Ban this guy
teal junco
I just only want as a normal player or smth so they can fight each other
like as independent units?
restive turret
Ye, like 1v1
teal junco
what would be cool would be an advanced knowledge construct
upper vapor
AI enshittifcation arrives at SL: Every server is filled with AI bots <:despair:...
Magyarul beszélő scpsl botok
teal junco
so they can build their knowledge of the map and pickups and SCPs
they see the 127 room and run to search it and find nothing so the next time they see it they dont bother
restive turret
You need goal systems, many stuff
royal mica
Magyarul beszélő scpsl botok
They would just be filled with bots yelling K**** A**** or Bojler eladó if It is trained on online people 
royal mica
yupyup 
restive turret
they see the 127 room and run to search it and find nothing so the next time the...
Well, for my ai i will check if has a pickup it knows already where things are or smth
restive turret
They would just be filled with bots yelling `K**** A****` or `Bojler eladó` if I...
Or be extremely racists
teal junco
You need goal systems, many stuff
i wanted to base it on half life 1 AI with "schedules" but idk
royal mica
Or be extremely racists
Oh that is in the base model, that comes with the base package 
teal junco
apparently the schedules dont allow more advanced behavior like shooting while running
restive turret
i wanted to base it on half life 1 AI with "schedules" but idk
Isnt it same as goal system?
restive turret
Me neither
teal junco
this would be my first NPC AI
restive turret
Never did such a thing
Currently my ai is just spinning around
Trying to find a door
In classD cells
teal junco
but i would have maybe a goal system and a state machine controlled by the goals
teal junco
so a goal to explore would have the state machine make the NPC navigate to new areas
teal junco
We should combine our knowledge
I have no knowledge 😭
teal junco
so a goal to explore would have the state machine make the NPC navigate to new a...
or a goal to engage in Human v Human combat would have the state machine enter a set of combat states, like "take cover" or "fire"
upper vapor
I have no knowledge 😭
0 + 0 = 0 
teal junco
when take cover would tell the NPC's character to find a position out of the enemy's line of sight and fire would control the mouselook and dummy key emulator to shoot at the enemy
hearty shard
0 + 1 = 0
restive turret
1 + 1 = 1
hearty shard
yes
upper vapor
Yayayaya
teal junco
or a goal to engage in Human v Human combat would have the state machine enter a...
programming Human v. SCP combat goal (jukes)
restive turret
when take cover would tell the NPC's character to find a position out of the ene...
Tbh if you make a system for it you dont really meed to call such a thing, it will be continued
teal junco
Tbh if you make a system for it you dont really meed to call such a thing, it wi...
wdym
restive turret
For statemachine.
Goal: Go to hcz.
Check if has card.
no => find card room
yes => go to one of the elev room
go to room
open door
is goal kc pickup => add inv
Else => open door
Do smth else
Heavilysimplified
teal junco
or a goal to engage in Human v Human combat would have the state machine enter a...
(my friend suggested i use Nodes so i could have node integration for enhanced behavior, so that the NPC can find spots that meet specific criteria without having to calculate it in real time, like "good hiding spot" or "usually spawns a structure or pickup" or "door")
teal junco
For statemachine.
Goal: Go to hcz.
Check if has card.
no => find card room
yes ...
oh i see
restive turret
(my friend suggested i use Nodes so i could have node integration for enhanced b...
The thing is, map generate clutters
So you can have a box that seed, but doesn't in next generation
teal junco
For statemachine.
Goal: Go to hcz.
Check if has card.
no => find card room
yes ...
That would be a pretty solid system.
teal junco
The thing is, map generate clutters
well the nodes would work in tandem with navmesh
thats a solid point though
that means you will not be able to cache the navmesh
restive turret
That would be a pretty solid system.
Ye pretty much would be good but I doesn't have navmesh nor anything so I basically say "move this direction, check if something in front of you, if so rotate and start again"
teal junco
For statemachine.
Goal: Go to hcz.
Check if has card.
no => find card room
yes ...
you could have a queue of long term goals, like "Obtain Keycard with Admin Level Three", "Enter Heavy Containment", "Enter Entrance Zone", and "Enter Escape Zone" and then a set of shorter term goals, like "Explore rooms", "Find keycard", "Find #914"
that would be a pretty simple NPC though
as in there would have to be more features for stuff like adapting the goals based on the game state
restive turret
Ye would be cool for just a simple things
teal junco
like if Nuke is activated it should be able to void all goals to prioritize entering surface zone
or if it takes fire from a player on a different team it should void short term goals
restive turret
Basically would be simple as.
Find pickup with type.
Find pickup with category.
Go to room
Go to zone
Activate this.
Open door front of myself.
And you can parse params
UseItem,
Shoot,
Drop,
Reload,
And if scp.
UseAbility
But can do some state change
Like
StartSprint
This would edit the value inside Go to room to TP user faster.
StopSprint will just set back the value
teal junco
@restive turret do U use recieved position to move your character?
restive turret
No
Tbh code is not published to git so no idea what I use
I think its kinda same as the FollowPlayer one
celest thorn
does someone know if the rich text rotate works?
worthy rune
it works
celest thorn
it works
yea i tested it its a bit strange tho
like i was expecting the entire stuff to rotate
not like the single words
mossy prism
before i go to the effort of making one, is there a labapi version of allowing cuffed MTF/Chaos to escape and switch teams
hearty shard
before i go to the effort of making one, is there a labapi version of allowing c...
yes
like 3 of them
mossy prism
wonderful, i think in terms of finding these plugins I am struggling more as github keeps returning complete unrelated garbage
thanks
celest thorn
eg https://github.com/namelessSCP/customEscapes/
yea obv you are reccomending your plugin
slate flume
So it appears the server I do shit for has encountered issues yesterday and this morning where, for seemingly no reason, the server stopped sending heartbeats, and crashed
I say it's for seemingly no reason because I get no errors in the LocalAdminLogs
Is this just a likely server host issue or what might be the culprit here?
royal mica
Is it reproducable? Something might lock up the main thread
slate flume
Is it reproducable? Something might lock up the main thread
Nope, the issue has since stopped happening afaik
But let me check something to confirm that
It was floated around that it might be a chaos spawn wave thing but I'll check it rq
Nope the issue appears to be gone
slate flume
Is this just a likely server host issue or what might be the culprit here?
Am I likely correct in assuming it's a server host issue or is there something else going on?
royal mica
With no data or logs, it is possible
I only encountered this with plugin issues though
slate flume
I only encountered this with plugin issues though
Yeah that's what I thought too but for the life of me I can't figure out why it would be doing this if it's not throwing an error
The only time I run any kind of while loop is inside of coroutines which wouldn't lock up the main thread
Is there any other way that the thread could be locking up?
royal mica
For us this happens when our webhook service dies cause couldn1t send to Discord
It runs in a Task though so that is the issue
slate flume
For us this happens when our webhook service dies cause couldn1t send to Discord
Currently, I don't use webhooks in my plugin
The only other plugins run on the server are CedMod and SecretAPI
restive turret
CedMod can shutdown the server or smth
slate flume
CedMod can shutdown the server or smth
So should I blame it on CedMod?
I'm so confused
royal mica
Good question if those two are conflicting or something broke
restive turret
/shrug It restarted my server too, so maybe
slate flume
For us this happens when our webhook service dies cause couldn1t send to Discord
I can't think of any other reason why it would break other than CedMod / server host issues
tulip kiln
Why is decontamination using IHealthbarRole's MaxHelath instead of HealthStat's MaxValue?
grand flower
NW moment
teal junco
Why is decontamination using `IHealthbarRole`'s MaxHelath instead of `HealthStat...
it works hehehehe
tulip kiln
it works hehehehe
Change a human's health to 3500 and experience a 5 minute decon 😭
slate flume
Change a human's health to 3500 and experience a 5 minute decon 😭
It's a feature, not a bug 😉
soft turtle
What is the speed of the bullet?
I need to know the speed of the bullet to make a prediction
restive turret
2km/s²
restive turret
Then 1 cm / day
hearty shard
otherwise its done instantly
true cedar
I need to know the speed of the bullet to make a prediction
instant
teal junco
it's a raycast
true cedar
^
teal junco
I need to know the speed of the bullet to make a prediction
what does this mean
slate flume
what does this mean
To predict where the bullet will end up
soft turtle
what does this mean
When the player shoots the bullet is visible
soft turtle
A yellow line that flies in the direction where the player shot
teal junco
well the tracers are client sided, and because theyre so short lived any kind of timing you could do relating to them would be irrelevant because of ping
sinful bronze
restive turret
Idk
slate flume
Nope, the issue has since stopped happening afaik
So apparently I was wrong, the issue is still happening
I just
Don't know why
grand flower
Do you do scale stuff
slate flume
Do you do scale stuff
Yes
grand flower
Do you do it in the role changed event
slate flume
Uhhh good question
I don't believe so
There are two cases in which I do any player scaling
- Player flipped a coin and shrunk (the minimum scale is .6f)
- A command is run by a patreon member that changes their visible scale through sending ScaleMessages
I'm very lost tbh
Get sent this clip from one of our users
No idea if anything in the clip is even relevant or if anything shown there caused the issue
I have no idea how to reproduce it
It feels very random
That one too
grand flower
check server logs for connId=0
royal mica
What is the speed of the bullet?
Aren't all firing weapons are hitscan (Raycast) instead of emulated?
grand flower
or connection(0)
unique crane
What is the speed of the bullet?
Bullet are hitscans in SL
They do not travel
simulated
hearty shard
David im gonna hit you with a scan
slate flume
check server logs for connId=0
This kind of stuff is the closest I could find
harsh thorn
check server logs for connId=0
Has cedmod so it prevents the server disconnecting itself
harsh thorn
Has cedmod so it prevents the server disconnecting itself
So its not that weird phenomenon
slate flume
I tried rebuilding and pushing an updated version of our in-house plugin so we'll see if it crashes again
I republicized and updated the references and dependencies before building
Maybe it'll magically disappear
grand flower
heh
royal mica
Kinda bad suggestion, but as a last resort, you can put logs for start and ending certain suspicious functions so you can see in the log where the pause happens
Triangulate the problem
slate flume
I wish I even knew what suspicious functions there are but my plugin is mostly basic shit
royal mica
I've seen some basic stuff explode due to ??? reasons
Today I had to update my RA cause for some reason someone had null Refhub passed to the message
like what
undefined in c#
slate flume
The problem is
I have so many classes and functions and bullshit
It'd take me a huge amount of time to log each one
grand flower
find a way to reproduce it
slate flume
find a way to reproduce it
Yeah that would be huge
cedar jungle
Sigma
grand flower
You'll figure it out eventually
restive turret
ban
grand flower
I kinda wish servers wouldn't die like this without at least giving a glimmer of a hint
slate flume
I kinda wish servers wouldn't die like this without at least giving a glimmer of...
Like wtf bro
royal mica
I mean the only way would be running in pdb an gather the pointer stack
since most probably it is just stuck somewhere in the process
when there is no heartbeat then the process is stuck / completly dead
slate flume
The thing is my code shouldn't be getting stuck anywhere
Ced said it can't be CedMod
The only other plugin I have is SecretAPI
hearty shard
The only other plugin I have is SecretAPI
youd have to interact horribly with it
by itself it shouldnt though
slate flume
youd have to interact horribly with it
I literally only use the SSSS shit
hearty shard
which version btw
slate flume
I can check
hearty shard
do not update to 2.0.0-beta
unless ur doing it in testing first
but yes use 1.1.2, its stable
true cedar
its eves fault
hollow oxide
@harsh thorn, theres a problem with cedmod
harsh thorn
you might want to explain what said problem is
icy knoll
you might want to explain what said problem is
the problem is
restive turret
a can of SODA
slate flume
<@448186467466870784>, theres a problem with cedmod
Don't @ him I already talked to him
Then let them handle it
You don't need to step in for them
slate flume
Someone tell ced77ric there is a problem with his Plugin.
It might not be cedric lol
severe cave
Why is that when I change the scale of a player they noclip do I need to give them an upvector or smth like that?
slate flume
Why is that when I change the scale of a player they noclip do I need to give th...
Wdym they noclip?
severe cave
Wdym they noclip?
they fell through the floors
royal mica
It might not be cedric lol
Just making a refernce due to the similar message 😄
slate flume
they fell through the floors
If you set a player's scale too large for the room they're in they may clip through collision
Or actually just generally too large
severe cave
If you set a player's scale too large for the room they're in they may clip thro...
was on surface
slate flume
Like if you're on surface and you set a player's height to be like 2x, they may fall through the floor if you don't move them up
severe cave
was on surface
and the dummy werent that large
slate flume
How large were they?
severe cave
Like if you're on surface and you set a player's height to be like 2x, they may ...
I will give them an upvector if thats the prob
slate flume
I will give them an upvector if thats the prob
Do that 
That's very likely the problem
I tell you now as someone who's fucked with scaling a lot
severe cave
How large were they?
maybe 5 units on the z axis
severe cave
Oh so like 5x
thats normal
slate flume
thats normal
Is a player not roughly 1 unit?
That's my typical scale for determining shit
severe cave
Is a player not roughly 1 unit?
I think they are
severe cave
y and z are flipped
slate flume
Move them up and it shouldn't be an issue
severe cave
alr thx
severe cave
y = height
is it?
grand flower
You can check the capsule radius
hollow oxide
Lol all good
thanks
slate flume
srry tech
Cedric's a busy guy I just didn't wanna annoy him 😅 hope I didn't come across rude
hollow oxide
Cedric's a busy guy I just didn't wanna annoy him 😅 hope I didn't come across ...
You kinda got a bit rude to me. Like yelling at me tho
slate flume
You kinda got a bit rude to me. Like yelling at me tho
I figured I did :/
That's my bad I apologize
I don't mean to come across harsh I'm just bad at talking to people sometimes 😅
hollow oxide
I figured I did :/
That's my bad I apologize
I don't mean to come across harsh I...
Apologize accpeted, just next time you gotta be nice. And you also need to handle being nice to others within our discord community's
severe cave
Apologize accpeted, just next time you gotta be nice. And you also need to handl...
bro is a drama queen
hollow oxide
bro is a drama queen
real
spring swan
https://tenor.com/view/cat-steam-gif-17126246368493917777
That cat is fuming with rage
spring swan
and i will rage real soon
No you won’t
hearty shard
uh i exist as a hobby
spring swan
I don’t even know how to code 
restive turret
hello i dont even know how to code
Im slejmur
tulip kiln
hello I know how to code and I hate const
icy knoll
hello I know how to code and I hate `const`
why 😭
tulip kiln
why 😭
const by itself is fine, but finding it in a SL native class means I'll have to patch 129746 methods using it.
restive turret
REAL
hearty shard
`const` by itself is fine, but finding it in a SL native class means I'll have t...
so instead of hating const, you hate working with patching consts
icy knoll
cant you just patch the getter of the const and modify the result?
hearty shard
cant you just patch the getter of the const and modify the result?
no ?
tulip kiln
cant you just patch the getter of the const and modify the result?
Getter of const?
restive turret
me when i need to edit the const value for make my 173 TP faster or do anything
tulip kiln
It's replaced at compile-time
hearty shard
when you reference a const
icy knoll
shame
restive turret
bro
restive turret
const is compile time
icy knoll
damn
restive turret
I did some patches for myself
restive turret
what the hell is this
true cedar
ask valera on how it works
i think it just replace sthe value
hearty shard
i think it just replace sthe value
replace you
icy knoll
paw can't be replaced
restive turret
also look horrid
cant really know what and where would be used
ConstProperty so bad even github doesnt know it </3
oh prob bc its only on dev
true cedar
replace you
WOW
slate flume
are you setting scale on role change
YES
YES
HOW FIX
PLEASE 🙏🏼
I'm adding one frame delay
grand flower
I literally asked you earlier lmao
[HarmonyPatch(typeof(FpcScaleController), MethodType.Constructor, typeof(FpcMotor))]
public static class NWFpcScaleControllerCtorFixes
{
[HarmonyTranspiler]
public static IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> Transpiler(IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> instructions, MethodBase method, ILGenerator generator)
{
var matcher = new CodeMatcher(instructions, generator)
.MatchEndForward(
new(OpCodes.Ldarg_0),
new(OpCodes.Call),
new(OpCodes.Call)
)
.ThrowIfNotMatch("Failed to find this.Scale = Vector3.one, did NW fix it?")
.Set(OpCodes.Stfld, AccessTools.Field(typeof(FpcScaleController), nameof(FpcScaleController._scale)));
return matcher.InstructionEnumeration();
}
}
[HarmonyPatch(typeof(FpcScaleController), nameof(FpcScaleController.Scale), MethodType.Setter)]
public static class NWFpcScaleSetterFixes
{
[HarmonyPrefix]
public static bool Prefix(FpcScaleController __instance, Vector3 value)
{
if (value == __instance._scale)
{
return false;
}
__instance._scale = value;
__instance.Hub.transform.localScale = __instance._scale;
if (!NetworkServer.active || __instance.Motor.Hub == null)
{
return false;
}
new SyncedScaleMessages.ScaleMessage(__instance._scale, __instance.Hub)
.SendToHubsConditionally(hub => hub.authManager && hub.authManager.InstanceMode == ClientInstanceMode.ReadyClient);
return false;
}
}
@slate flume
that'll fix (most) of it
if not all of it
grand flower
no worries hah
slate flume
if not all of it
So what in the code is causing it to break?
I'm curious as to the specifics behind the problem
grand flower
Check if that works first, not sure if it's all of it
but basically some stuff was set in the constructor (which sent a message) and it would also send to the host player
which would cause an infinite loop
slate flume
which would cause an infinite loop
Wait
Huh
So sending it to the host player causes a loop?
Why?
Sorry I'm just curious
grand flower
the host player is the server
host player receives the scale message
sets it locally
but locally is the server
so it sends it to everyone again
including the host player
rince and repeat
slate flume
So why was it only a problem when you do it during a player role change?
grand flower
some stuff isn't initialized
well
that'll still break (probably)
delay it by one frame
I have another patch for that but it changes a lot
slate flume
delay it by one frame
grand flower
and I wouldn't recommend using it
because we had to fix a ton of bugs due to events changing order
severe cave
what does fpc mean?
slate flume
This sucks
So much ass
I won't lie I'm still confused as to why this is a problem
So it's just magic initialization bullshit errors I can't understand
Got it
grand flower
So
Fun fact
Everything spewed here by the AI is bullshit in regards to the issue
slate flume
Everything spewed here by the AI is bullshit in regards to the issue
Baller
Love misinformation
This is why I avoid AI lmao
I'm just
Confused
slate flume
Yeah I just don't understand the problem
Two questions and it can't even get it right 😭
slate flume
some stuff isn't initialized
So if you're not tired of me pestering you can you explain why initialization issues are causing this issue
I'm just trying
To understand
Why everything breaks
Because like I get the sending messages thing I'm just confused why it only happens when initialization breaks
What does that have to do with each other idk I'm lost
grand flower
Idk ask Northwood for that part
I don't work on the codebase hah
I just know how it breaks, not why
For that part at least
slate flume
I just know how it breaks, not why
Sweet 👍🏼
I appreciate you @grand flower
Thanks for the help
It means a lot
slate flume
Whats up plugins-dev-chat
Malding
hearty shard
Rage
slate flume
Fr
It's not often I have to ask AI to help me figure something out but not even other devs know why this is an issue
But AI sucks so it doesn't even help
severe cave
But AI sucks so it doesn't even help
AI is good sometimes
severe cave
It doesn't replace workflow but it helps with it
it will but not right now
grand flower
We blanket ban it nowadays because it costs us more in headaches and rewrites than it gives in time saved (which is in the negatives)
severe cave
watched the terminator movie yesterday
slate flume
Depends on the codebase
I wanted to make this long ass function that takes every RoomName and returns a nicely-formatted string for it
But I didn't want to write the entire switch statement by hand
severe cave
I wanted to make this long ass function that takes every RoomName and returns a ...
why
slate flume
So I asked AI to do it and then cleaned up the weird strings
severe cave
oh
slate flume
So like it helped the workflow for me there and I saved like 10 minutes of time
But to me it's kind of like RegEx
severe cave
So like it helped the workflow for me there and I saved like 10 minutes of time
you lost 10 mins of exp right there
grand flower
I mean that switch would take 1 minute tops
slate flume
I pretty much never use it but when I do it's just to save a bit of time
hearty shard
Writing hard
slate flume
I mean that switch would take 1 minute tops
It goes longer
grand flower
Experience in writing switch statements? 
hearty shard
hey cyn
severe cave
I mean that switch would take 1 minute tops
I rarely use switch statements i dont know why
hearty shard
hows brights
grand flower
hows brights
Lots of work but good
slate flume
I apologize for being lazy but I didn't wanna type that all by hand lol
hearty shard
use room.Base.name 
severe cave
Experience in writing switch statements? <:DogKek:733101489052057682>
it does give you still
grand flower
At this point I spend more time patching out exploits the community abuses than actual new stuff
slate flume
use room.Base.name <:trolling:812737440866369548>
BRO are you so for real right now
That existed
grand flower
But the next big plugin I've been writing for a week now will help
slate flume
This whole time
hearty shard
BRO are you so for real right now
idk how good it is and youd have to replace the (CLONE) stuff
slate flume
Oh
slate flume
Yeah I already wrote this shit
hearty shard
try logging it
hearty shard
id do it but i cba to get my laptop
slate flume
Right?
hearty shard
But room.Base.name has more than RoomName
its the full name NW gave it in unity
slate flume
As in like room.Base.name will have Pipe Room and Junk room and shit
hearty shard
Check that
Has what its like to use for doors
i just realized
is that even working
i swear i tested but now im doubting myself
grand flower
Hah
slate flume
@grand flower should I vibe-code my whole plugin 🤔
grand flower
<@1269801279253909565> should I vibe-code my whole plugin 🤔
If you want it to be ass, have fun
hearty shard
cyn can i see what brights organisation is like
slate flume
If you want it to be ass, have fun
"ChatGPT write me a transpiler to solve all my issues"
grand flower
Define organisation
grand flower
Uhhhh depends on the person, but I've been rewriting a lot of plugins so mostly looks like mine nowadays
I'll send an example when home
grand flower
46 i think
grand flower
Bright's is the most heavily modded server lol (afaik)
hearty shard
Bright's is the most heavily modded server lol (afaik)
i know but
grand flower
And we make all of them in house
hearty shard
i hate organising everything with a new project for each
grand flower
I like it
hearty shard
slate flume
https://tenor.com/view/chatgpt-answer-discord-dialogue-bubble-gif-73612625416603...
Who has the "thanks for the inspiration" gif
grand flower
Something's fucked? I can disable plugins one by one to find the issue
hearty shard
Something's fucked? I can disable plugins one by one to find the issue
i do that too
grand flower
We have one big core and then plugins on top
grand flower
But yeah I'm used to stuff like that
Working on games that separate into different modules/plugins for cleanliness
hearty shard
i also have stuff loaded into like modules for stuff so they auto load and can have configs
hearty shard
Working on games that separate into different modules/plugins for cleanliness
I understand like
Nws with
Labapi, local admin and the game
grand flower
You can and should apply that to servers too
Makes it way easier to maintain things
grand flower
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hearty shard
fair ig
hearty shard
it depends
tulip kiln
Anyone knows if there is a way for a client to send a SSSS keybind message to the server if said client can't see the keybind setting? I have a shitton of settings and wanted to make "pages", where certain settings are visible at once.
hearty shard
Anyone knows if there is a way for a client to send a SSSS keybind message to th...
What
Im confused by it
Oh
No you shouldnt be able to
Send a keybind you dont know about
tulip kiln
Is there a way to make the client know about it, but not see it?
hearty shard
i mean theres SSMenu so kt might have smth
hearty shard
Is there a way to make the client know about it, but not see it?
Umm
true cedar
r u excited to not have to call ensureinit
true cedar
:3
hearty shard
you give me fears
true cedar
Something's fucked? I can disable plugins one by one to find the issue
separate plugins is nice if u need to disable things for like
events
grand flower
I just find it cleaner organization wise
true cedar
thats the main reason why brights did it iirc
hearty shard
separate plugins is nice if u need to disable things for like
me when disable methods and just
.Disable()
grand flower
Yeah
grand flower
I mean being able to just delete a dll to get rid of a plugin is nice
teal junco
teal junco
me when disable methods and just
.Disable()
not every plugin cleans up after themselves properly
idk the full context but its safest to delete or move the plugin than disable it programatically
hearty shard
not every plugin cleans up after themselves properly
If you're making a plugin, its up to you to decide what you need
my point is
If you need a config for a specific part you can add that you dont need a new plugin for it
And yeah
If you need to dynamically disable, add that feature
I havent personally since i dont use it
however i might in the future, then id add it rather than having an event class disable a plugin in its config and restart server
i think what i said makes sense, if it doesnt whoops its 3 am
true cedar
i think what i said makes sense, if it doesnt whoops its 3 am
go to bed girlie
hearty shard
go to bed girlie
just cuz im a girlie doesnt mean im a girlie
true cedar
what
grand flower
grand flower
Wrong server
restive turret
Lel
upper vapor
It runs in a Task though so that is the issue
switch to Awaitables 🙏
upper vapor
Currently, I don't use webhooks in my plugin
The only other plugins run on the s...
this happens if you have an infinite loop blocking the main thread
upper vapor
Triangulate the problem
triangulate 😭😭
upper vapor
when there is no heartbeat then the process is stuck / completly dead
me when we get a debug build
upper vapor
Why is that when I change the scale of a player they noclip do I need to give th...
position + Vector3.up * player.Scale.y
royal mica
triangulate 😭😭
What else would you call it when you scatter random debug logs in your code 😛
royal mica
switch to Awaitables 🙏
upper vapor
Because like I get the sending messages thing I'm just confused why it only happ...
who did this...
upper vapor
I wanted to make this long ass function that takes every RoomName and returns a ...
alt+enter on the switch and convert to switch experssion 
upper vapor
<@1269801279253909565> should I vibe-code my whole plugin 🤔
remember that AI guy?
using NWAPI = Exiled.API.Features;
upper vapor
Who has the "thanks for the inspiration" gif
restive turret
who did this...
There should be a if (IsServer) or smth
upper vapor
Why creating another v3 if you already have one
the nanoseconds
upper vapor
What else would you call it when you scatter random debug logs in your code 😛
uh
professional debugging
upper vapor
restive turret
They could have just used
= value 😭
I swear if I ever get into NW I will do all of the things to run faster.
yknow removing the polimorphism from the code
My millisecond!
upper vapor
I swear if I ever get into NW I will do all of the things to run faster.
*yknow...
good luck
if (role.Type === adf)
callThis()
else if ...
restive turret
Changable color for tutorial 
restive turret
I swear if I ever get into NW I will do all of the things to run faster.
*yknow...
Also Fuck , I forgot I need unity knowledge
😭 😢 
upper vapor
Also Fuck , I forgot I need unity knowledge
yeah
you'll have to start unity to work at nw
csproj regeneration...
restive turret
I hate that
Like actually fuck off with that regeneration
Cant wait to migrate to better .net so they can ditch out the regeneration of csproj
Which will when happen.
Say with us!
Never!
slate flume
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051988905320255509/1146537451750432778...
I'm saving this to my favorites
restive turret
royal mica
professional debugging
Would love that, but you cannot attach a debugger to it 😦
Atleast i havent tried attaching rider to tghe sl server now that I think about it
upper vapor
Rider attaches with LLDB 🥲
restive turret
F
teal junco
Changable color for tutorial <:SteamHappy:1157333712950800497>
if they add basegame custom roles, then tinting the models clothes must be allowed
restive turret
if they add basegame custom roles, then tinting the models clothes must be allow...
Dont think they will do it like in 14.x
Maybe at 17
Or ∞
teal junco
Dont think they will do it like in 14.x
99% not 14
most likely, if ever, maybe likr 15-17
restive turret
Get hired make it and fix things
teal junco
it would be a huge rework of roles systems i think
restive turret
Didn't they already have RoleTypeId.Custom
teal junco
Get hired make it and fix things
I am humble enough to only talk shit about the code, while secretly knowing I'm still less competent than most of the Northwood stsff
teal junco
Didn't they already have RoleTypeId.Custom
Yeah but i think it does nothing
its Role Id 17 i think
and its just straight up missing
but in the enum is labeled as custom role
restive turret
Yeah but i think it does nothing
Ye cus doesn't have anything
No role used for it
teal junco
maybe role id 17 will be used for that
restive turret
They have to make a prefab for that
Which yknow well
Need a model or something
Would be funny if can be changed
But that would break a lot of things
Idk
royal mica
Walking torch
royal mica
Become the light
restive turret
Walking torch
Bring back orange candy 🔥
upper vapor
🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
royal mica
Bring back all the candies 
royal mica
Moon moon
restive turret
137 moon
upper vapor
erm
restive turret
You prob didn't dispatch on main thread
frail pilot
upper vapor
how tf are you subscribed to 2 patreon tiers
hearty shard
how tf are you subscribed to 2 patreon tiers
skill
random scaffold
typical nw moment
carmine prawn
💀
restive turret
Make a git issue or smth, idk if already being worked on