Hmmm
#plugins-dev-chat
celest thorn
i have the entire code to be done in a way
that if nw adds a toy
or changes something i can replace it in 30s
the problem is now updating colliders and client
without exploding the client
celest thorn
yea
restive turret
I'll check it out today
Did hubert pushed it?
celest thorn
this is me
unique crane
Yea I have access
celest thorn
like its years i ask for that and now someone listened to me
restive turret
No shit (i mean ye ofc)
celest thorn
yesterday i slept really well knowing none will endure my same pain
working with mirror its a pain
without editor or anything
restive turret
ye reversubg ut us sgut
celest thorn
the problem rn
is just making calls lower
i could pull of 2 things
making parents primitives
and just say to the client attach them
or i could actually pack them
if for the LateUpdate they don't have anything more send the data
and sync the collider
celest thorn
Reducing the amount
I guess i cannot
unique crane
Or you don't send it that often and apply movement smoothing
upper vapor
Or you don't send it that often and apply movement smoothing
i just said that in vc lol
teal junco
i made a whole ass town with primitives and had 120 fps
celest thorn
i made a whole ass town with primitives and had 120 fps
tps explodes
teal junco
it just made me think
celest thorn
its already so optimized that if i touch the code im just destroying a temple
teal junco
about the difference between primitives and the rest of the game
so if your schematics are so poorly made it tanks your players fps, just delete the regular map
teal junco
its already so optimized that if i touch the code im just destroying a temple
thats how code can feel
restive turret
really fast
ye cus you sending 20k primitive pos update
unique crane
celest thorn
Crazy
unique crane
It works but I added so it sets the position of the object with the bounds position
celest thorn
i love you hubert
unique crane
Otherwise you would have to add offsets for the child gameobject toys
or spawn it with position applied already
carmine prawn
limber silo
didn't michal add this already
upper vapor
it's client-side culling this time
grand flower
Made me remember about culling issues with players and their light sources
Players behind you with a lantern wont render, nor will their light
Probs same with a flashlight
upper vapor
didn't michal add this already
MEROptimizer destroys each toy i think
with network messages
limber silo
it's client-side culling this time
yeah I remembered michal adding client side culling some months ago
not in mer
upper vapor
oh in SL?
limber silo
in basegame
upper vapor
for primitives?
upper vapor
at michal 
random scaffold
public PlayerDeathEventArgs(ReferenceHub player, ReferenceHub? attacker, DamageHandlerBase damageHandler,
RoleTypeId oldRole, Vector3 oldPosition, Vector3 oldVelocity, Quaternion oldCameraRotation)
{
Player = Player.Get(player);
Attacker = Player.Get(attacker);
DamageHandler = damageHandler;
OldRole = oldRole;
OldPosition = oldPosition;
OldVelocity = oldVelocity;
OldCameraRotation = oldCameraRotation;
}
why
need old velocity
and old camera rotation
random scaffold
slejm moment
upper vapor
use the dying event
i guess
also the velocity is in the damage handler
-# for the ragdoll
grand flower
Had to use the dying event to store that data
Nice that it's a part of SL now
Granted I store a bit more but that's still cool
random scaffold
public Vector3 Scale
{
get
{
if (ReferenceHub.roleManager.CurrentRole is not IFpcRole fpcRole)
return Vector3.zero;
return fpcRole.FpcModule.Motor.ScaleController.Scale;
}
set
{
if (ReferenceHub.roleManager.CurrentRole is not IFpcRole fpcRole)
return;
fpcRole.FpcModule.Motor.ScaleController.Scale = value;
}
}
hard system taken more than 1 month
royal mica
example?
An event round where you move the person to the other team when killed
and want to respawn them instead of forceclass
Want to spawn a statue where you can revive dead people for a gamemode
idk
unique crane
AA?
exotic turtle
hey, does anyone know where i can find documentation on labapi?
restive turret
ye in github wiki
random scaffold
hey, does anyone know where i can find documentation on labapi?
exotic turtle
ye in github wiki
last time i checked there wasnt a lot
restive turret
ye
restive turret
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/wiki
If you have any question check the game files or ask here
random scaffold
<https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/wiki>
If you have any question chec...
im faster you
random scaffold
use ide
exotic turtle
and classes?
severe cave
Everything
restive turret
ok. is there a list of all methods in the api?
in source code ye
severe cave
Use VS
severe cave
Yeah i think
random scaffold
exotic turtle
is pl. the player?
severe cave
is pl. the player?
It is a object
random scaffold
is pl. the player?
Player
exotic turtle
what object
random scaffold
severe cave
what object
Like object that was created for the player class idk how to say that
random scaffold
what object
upper vapor
carmine prawn
<https://github.com/Axwabo/SCPSL-Helpers/blob/main/Axwabo.Helpers/Config/RoomTyp...
thanks
upper vapor
np
random scaffold
8.1. A Server Owner and their Sta must respect the privacy of any user that has connected to the
Game Server, and are responsible for keeping their IT Infrastructure secure and compliant with
local privacy laws and regulations
why this rule need
bruh
random scaffold
why me need ammo
upper vapor
1 line above
upper vapor
why this rule need
because they want you not to break the law 
upper vapor
restive turret
random scaffold
items drop it client side?
restive turret
you are client side
hearty shard
items drop it client side?
what
restive turret
no
restive turret
client also chaning the SyncList for getting the accurate limit
if you faking the limit
can have multiple
I guess
since server doesnt check for it or something
check yoself
@spring swan Yo. DM'ing you with the killer script
untold raft
Is it possible to set or get Player ammo in FirearmItem?
unique crane
Is it possible to set or get Player ammo in FirearmItem?
Hello, we do dot have firearm wrappers yet. But you can use the base game classes
get the Base of it
The Firearm
and get the MagazineModule
Or similar based on the firearm type
untold raft
oh i must checking it for every firearm type ?
FirearmItem is a wrapper but has no such important things?
unique crane
FirearmItem is a wrapper but has no such important things?
as I said, they are in the making ofc
But not merged yet
untold raft
okay
restive turret
Yo, how can I spawn a gun that already has Ammo inside of it?
cust this doesnt work
if (pickup is FirearmPickup firearm && firearm.Base.Template.TryGetModule(out IPrimaryAmmoContainerModule primaryAmmoContainerModule) && primaryAmmoContainerModule != null)
{
primaryAmmoContainerModule.ServerModifyAmmo(
primaryAmmoContainerModule.AmmoMax
);
}
ServerSetInstanceAmmo(serial, amount)
humble haven
how to mute Cassie for specific players?
unique crane
how to mute Cassie for specific players?
Hello, you will have to manually send rpc message to specific players
humble haven
Hello, you will have to manually send rpc message to specific players
Hi, What is rpc?
restive turret
ServerSetInstanceAmmo(serial, amount)
thanks that works
unique crane
we are moving systems to Messages (lower level than method attributes)
Uhhh
@restive turret Do you know how to call ClientRpc manually
hearty shard
we are moving systems to Messages (lower level than method attributes)
wat
hearty shard
david im going to kill you
restive turret
ye kind of
unique crane
ye kind of
Can you show this guy how to do it for cassie
unique crane
whats benefit
U can choose who to send it to easily when you dont have TargetRpc xd
hearty shard
U can choose who to send it to easily when you dont have TargetRpc xd
fair enough
unique crane
with many headbangs
RpcCassieAnnouncement
restive turret
RpcCassieAnnouncement
unique crane
Yea that
restive turret
ye its sending to every player
Time for Fake
@humble haven Are you using Exiled or no
if not you need another DLL for it to able to call these
humble haven
<@1270370648325099532> Are you using Exiled or no
I had used the patches, but I saw that there is an event on exiled so I'm trying first on exiled and then with the patches
restive turret
lol you dont need patches
humble haven
lol you dont need patches
What you require yes, I delete the cassie
restive turret
oh mute not play announcement
unique crane
Oh in that case you can do 2 things
humble haven
How i should do?
unique crane
Yea if you want only for specific
I would patch RespawnEffectsController.ServerPassCassie(...) so it sends the rpc only to players you dont want to mute it for.
tulip kiln
It's been at least 207 days since these guys invaded my beautiful reload / unload code
unique crane
It's been at least 207 days since these guys invaded my beautiful reload / unloa...
I managed to workaroudn this by putting it on SSS
Put the ammo you want
Select nothing, wait 1 frame and select the gun back
restive turret
I would patch RespawnEffectsController.ServerPassCassie(...) so it sends the rpc...
well uhh, that still doesnt access player nor the connection
unique crane
Until I fig this
unique crane
well uhh, that still doesnt access player nor the connection
Yes cause ClientRpc send it to all
And you need to send it only to specific
unique crane
Its ClientRpc it generates something no?
restive turret
what
restive turret
Esc -> Settings-> audio -> sound effects to 0
:Cinema:
restive turret
Its ClientRpc it generates something no?
what inside it calls SendRPCInternal which foreach on all observers and send rpcMessage
unique crane
1984
tired pecan
I finally found the exact gravity vector for the old jump, it's not perfect but I was able to use a lot of math to get the air time. As far as I'm aware the map actually got 28% smaller hence (-19.6) - 28% = -14.112
restive turret
lmao
tired pecan
Feel free to use this knowledge gamers, took me a bit longer than I thought
tired pecan
Also crazy lol
restive turret
well
tulip kiln
Select nothing, wait 1 frame and select the gun back
What is this magic you're talking about
upper vapor
I finally found the exact gravity vector for the old jump, it's not perfect but ...
Get this man a 
tired pecan
I mean I'm gonna keep testing this, if you're looking for just jump height I think -18 is fine but I think this was the old parameter so you actually jump the same heaight as always
tired pecan
?
tulip kiln
That's the new jump though
icy knoll
eve moment
tired pecan
Yeah thats new jump lol
tulip kiln
Old SL jump
upper vapor
Old as n
restive turret
prob
upper vapor
Pre parabellum
tulip kiln
you could jump high af
upper vapor
I think
unique crane
Oooooooh
restive turret
before you worked at NW
tired pecan
Yeah definitely
unique crane
You could have just asked me
unique crane
I can look into git history
restive turret
Ah yes, let david see back 2 years
tired pecan
I'm pretty sure gravity was decreased becuase the map got way too small
But because models (I'm pretty sure) are the same hieght and whatnot it feels like hitting a ceiling
upper vapor
you could jump high af
🎶 can we get much higher
tulip kiln
I imagined you doing this
icy knoll
🎶 can we get much higher
NO AX DONT SING THAT SONG
icy knoll
smh
tired pecan
you could jump high af
In old SL technically you'd reach roughly the same height it just felt higher since camera I think was lowered or smth idk
tulip kiln
In old SL technically you'd reach roughly the same height it just felt higher si...
Whenever I jump in old SL, I feel like I've been in air for like 4 seconds
tired pecan
I honestly couldn't tell you why everything was exactly 28% smaller or something but yeah now you know
tired pecan
Whenever I jump in old SL, I feel like I've been in air for like 4 seconds
I believe the air time was actually around half a second which is wild considering jumping now is like a tenth of a second or smth
unique crane
Ah yes, let david see back 2 years
I can see the initial commit from 2019
tired pecan
So yeah you can pretty quickly the map got smaller
unique crane
Looking at gitlab its almot 5,7K
tired pecan
If you were to copy and paste the parameters for the scrapped lighting like I have the lights would be outside the map, but set scale to 0.72 and boom it's back inside
tired pecan
Looking at gitlab its almot 5,7K
What are ya'll talking about tbh
restive turret
how much git commit?
.
unique crane
SCP SL Git repo
tired pecan
have fun seeing where gravity
I actually wanna know if I was right though if the parameter changed or it's something else
upper vapor
If you were to copy and paste the parameters for the scrapped lighting like I ha...
wouldn't it be 0.75?
tired pecan
I'm right about gravity being lower regardless since you can't jump to the sameheight as before but still
tired pecan
wouldn't it be 0.75?
No
Because the places for the lights would be wrong
If you did 0.7 the lights would be going to the middle of the stair well, whereas 0.75 would make the lights be directly on top of the fence
In Unity on the old SL version (being MPII) the scraped lights are halfway down 079's camera)
I did use 0.7 and 0.75 but after looking at everything I realized that the lights were infact the same place not scaled however it's all the same it's just 28% smaller for some reason
There's also a used light on Surface Zone that directly shines on Escape Room but as I said it's only in the correct position if scaled down to 28%
It's fucking bizzare
humble haven
I would patch RespawnEffectsController.ServerPassCassie(...) so it sends the rpc...
using HarmonyLib;
using Exiled.API.Features;
using Respawning;
namespace BetterMuteCassie.Patches
{
[HarmonyPatch(typeof(RespawnEffectsController), "ServerPassCassie")]
public static class ServerPassCassiePatch
{
public static bool Prefix(
RespawnEffectsController __instance,
string words,
bool makeHold,
bool makeNoise,
bool customAnnouncement,
string customSubtitles)
{
Log.Debug($"BetterMuteCassie: Intercepted announcement: {words}");
foreach (var player in Player.List)
{
if (!EventHandler.EventHandlers.IsCassieMuted(player))
{
// Riproduci Cassie solo per questo player
Cassie.Message(
message: words,
isNoisy: makeNoise,
isSubtitles: true
);
}
}
return false;
}
}
}
?
Can it work?
unique crane
I dont think this will work cause you will just loop over and over again
humble haven
unique crane
Oh it might not be that hard
This is what is generated
You just have to send it to specific clients
one sec
Oh so like
NetworkWriterPooled writer = NetworkWriterPool.Get();
writer.WriteString(words);
writer.WriteBool(makeHold);
writer.WriteBool(makeNoise);
writer.WriteBool(customAnnouncement);
writer.WriteString(customSubtitles);
SendTargetRPCInternal("System.Void Respawning.RespawnEffectsController::RpcCassieAnnouncement(System.String,System.Boolean,System.Boolean,System.Boolean,System.String)", -31296712, writer, 0);
NetworkWriterPool.Return(writer);
@humble haven
Try this?
Instead of Cassie.Message
humble haven
thank you ❤️ , now i try
humble haven
what is your definition of SendTargetRPCInternal?
unique crane
what is your definition of SendTargetRPCInternal?
You will have to publicize Mirror assembly for it
as its part of NetworkBehavior
(protected method)
restive turret
```cs
NetworkWriterPooled writer = NetworkWriterPool.Get();
writer.WriteString...
no this still doesnt work
you doing the exact same thing
as in the rpc
unique crane
No its TargetRpcInternal
so it sends only to the target connection
Underlying message structure is same (?)
restive turret
```cs
NetworkWriterPooled writer = NetworkWriterPool.Get();
writer.WriteString...
NetworkWriterPooled writer = NetworkWriterPool.Get();
writer.WriteString(words);
writer.WriteBool(makeHold);
writer.WriteBool(makeNoise);
writer.WriteBool(customAnnouncement);
writer.WriteString(customSubtitles);
__instance.SendTargetRPCInternal(player.Connection, "System.Void Respawning.RespawnEffectsController::RpcCassieAnnouncement(System.String,System.Boolean,System.Boolean,System.Boolean,System.String)", -31296712, writer, 0);
NetworkWriterPool.Return(writer);
Put this inside the if "EventHandler.EventHandlers.IsCassieMuted"
also
david
are you planning to use any other SyncObject other than SyncList?
others are:
if the answer is no then i dont make unneccessary things for making FakeSyncSet, FakeSyncDictionary
hearty shard
@unique crane when client desyncs, whats the condition to resync ?
hearty shard
what exactly?
like position
desync
when does server tell client thats its desynced and corrects the position
soft depot
does anyone know if you can use client side parenting on a players camera transform rather than their ReferenceHub transform?
upper vapor
you can't
unique crane
does anyone know if you can use client side parenting on a players camera transf...
No
upper vapor
best you can do is offset the position
soft depot
I really need to handle the rotation of a players cam, does strangled work now for that now that skele is back?
cuz then I could lock a players rotation
is strangled basically only server side? As in all checks are on server not client?
unique crane
I think that it disabled camera movement client side too
soft depot
yeah so I'm wondering if I just fake that strangled is active for a player if the client will just accept it and freeze camera
nah I think it wants a ReferenceHub as a target
or maybe that's just local player stuff
I'm really struggling with this code lol
honestly I don't see anything networked in the strangled effect
upper vapor
set player.LookRotation every frame
hearty shard
troll
upper vapor
it won't prevent them from trying to look away but eh
soft depot
but like, maybe skeles StrangleAbility sync the target, then Strangled effect gets it from there
soft depot
it won't prevent them from trying to look away but eh
I just don't like the jank
but I'll give it a shot
¯_(ツ)_/¯
upper vapor
soft depot
yeah but where does it get _strangleTarget
I don't wanna be throwin client side NRE's cuz I don't understand what's going on
upper vapor
decompile it 
upper vapor
they no longer strip that much client code
soft depot
well it seems like the client tries to find a player with a skele strangle subroutine, then checks if that subroutines target is itself, if so, cache it and keep checking that subroutine every tick
so I'd need a fake skeleton to strangle the client
upper vapor
you can scale them to 0
soft depot
yeah but I need the client to think the dummy is in front of them
will do
part of me almost wants to fake the dummies tho cuz the thing I'm doing entails the players be alive
so if I hide the dummies from spectators, it should be fine
upper vapor
fake the dummies
just don't fake the entire player gameobject 😭
soft depot
well I'm thinking of just spawning them in, then destroying them on spectator clients
unique crane
Try it and seeee
soft depot
honestly the entire fake strangle thing could be a full plugin 😭
upper vapor
side effect: scary auduio
soft depot
tru
teal junco
wtf am i supposed to do about this
upper vapor
yeah make sure you only have the refs from SL folder
upper vapor
don't 😭
true cedar
well
upper vapor
that's gonna make it horrible
true cedar
global is the default alias
upper vapor
true cedar
global is the default alias
aliasing it as mscorlib but also global lets u basically qualify the assembly
teal junco
thanks it worked
i ran into another issue, when I do AudioTransmitter.Play(samples, true) to queue a sound, it seems to end up just playing the sound immediately, skipping any of the other sounds? i feel like i might be doing something wrong.
or if i even just enqueue the sounds
directly
upper vapor
queue = true
if you read into the same array, ofc it won't work
hence the required array reallocation
teal junco
i did do queue = true
i dont really understand what youre saying, but what did work for me was making my own queue, and sampling 800 samples instead of 480
because 800 is 1/60th of 48000
and then i run the sample groups into the speaker
upper vapor
the issue is if you reuse thze array
teal junco
the issue is if you reuse thze array
i feel like what im doing is reallocating the array
i dont know
upper vapor
how does your code look liek
teal junco
upper vapor
new array every time you read n samples?
teal junco
new array every time you read n samples?
i think it does
upper vapor
yea
upper vapor
isn't that looping
upper vapor
bru
teal junco
i thought looping meant what i thought it did, but maybe it means something different
teal junco
it replays the clip
ye im a fuckin idiot then
nah never mind wtf
maybe its time to go back to the 800 sample thing
unique crane
nah never mind wtf
Bro is spirit box
upper vapor
yeah you need to buffer it ahead by a bit
read like a thousand samples and every frame 48000 * Time.deltaTime
teal junco
can i do that in MEC?
restive turret
New server crash method or smth.
Local Admin log looks:
[NM] DataReceived: bad!
[NM] DataReceived: bad!
...
for million time
restive turret
well
cant even know the IP
to literally just skip that
or to visit all datacenters and send a nuke to them
icy knoll
ive never seen those logs
once
surprisingly
usually my host would legit just slow or completely halt the connection before the ddosing gets to the server, but on my past hosts they halted all connections LOL
restive turret
tell em to get that defense up
well ye "DDoS Protection" my ass
anyway it happens here
NetManager.OnMessageReceived
upper vapor
distributed donkey of shrek
restive turret
have fun whoever wanna patch it
restive turret
distributed donkey of shrek
doom day of paks
upper vapor
XDDDDDDD
royal mica
New server crash method or smth.
Local Admin log looks:
[NM] DataReceived: bad!
...
THat is not really new sadly
We had that multiple times
Earliest log is 2024-08-03
restive turret
Happened literally 5 or 10 min before my message
tired pecan
I can see the initial commit from 2019
Yo how did this go. Was I right about gravity?
random scaffold
nah never mind wtf
roblox simulator
grand flower
how i can check state if it blinking?
I'd just print out the state every so often and see what it is when it blinks
upper vapor
ServerCycleAction
use dnSpy or dotPeek to find usages
though firearms use animators so there are a number of events that are called from the animator (no visible code usage)
upper vapor
firearm.trygetmodule
random scaffold
in decompile
random scaffold
where implementation
random scaffold
is it possible patch interface?
grand flower
Implementations yes
royal mica
also if static yes
teal junco
interesting thing i learned today
if i parent an interactabletoy to a pickup, interacting with the toy grants me the pickup
i havent tested with 0 interaction duration but i assume its the same way.
random scaffold
doesnt found
random scaffold
i assume not
typical nw moment
upper vapor
if i parent an interactabletoy to a pickup, interacting with the toy grants me t...
i think the searchcompletor checks for the root object, hence getting the pickup and not the interactable toy from the collider directly
unique crane
^
humble haven
public static bool Prefix(WaveAnnouncementBase __instance)
{
Log.Debug($"[BetterMuteCassie] Patch {nameof(SubtitlePreventionPatch)} triggered");
MethodInfo sendTargetRpc = typeof(NetworkBehaviour).GetMethod(
"SendTargetRPCInternal",
BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.NonPublic);
if (sendTargetRpc == null)
{
Log.Error("SendTargetRPCInternal not found!");
return true;
}
foreach (var player in Player.List)
{
if (!EventHandler.EventHandlers.IsCassieMuted(player))
{
var conn = player.ReferenceHub.networkIdentity.connectionToClient;
NetworkWriterPooled writer = NetworkWriterPool.Get();
try
{
sendTargetRpc.Invoke(__instance, new object[]
{
conn,
"System.Void Respawning.Announcements.WaveAnnouncementBase::RpcSendSubtitles()",
-31296712,
writer,
0
});
Log.Debug($"BetterMuteCassie: Sent subtitles to {player.Nickname}");
}
catch (Exception ex)
{
Log.Error($"BetterMuteCassie: Exception sending subtitles to {player.Nickname}: {ex}");
}
finally
{
NetworkWriterPool.Return(writer);
}
}
}
return false;
}```[2025-06-29 10:27:05.700 +02:00] [ERROR] [BetterMuteCassie] BetterMuteCassie: Exception sending subtitles to Shodan: System.Reflection.TargetException: Object does not match target type.
at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00024] in <13c0c460649d4ce49f991e2c222fa635>:0
at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <13c0c460649d4ce49f991e2c222fa635>:0
at BetterMuteCassie.Patches.SubtitlePreventionPatch.Prefix (Respawning.Announcements.WaveAnnouncementBase __instance) [0x0008a] in <873d851353734910a0d406b33eab2f73>:0
can someone help me?
unique crane
```cs
public static bool Prefix(WaveAnnouncementBase __instance)
{...
You do not need to use reflection
Use Assembly publicizer and publicize Mirror assembly
then use the new reference for it
It will make every method public
=> easier
static meteor
Also enable unsafe code if you use publicized methods
unique crane
Yeah that too
humble haven
Use Assembly publicizer and publicize Mirror assembly
__instance.SendTargetRPCInternal(
conn,
"System.Void Respawning.Announcements.WaveAnnouncementBase::RpcSendSubtitles()",
-31296712,
writer,
0
);
like that?
humble haven
thank you
humble haven
Severity Code Description Project File Line Suppression State
Error (active) CS1061 'WaveAnnouncementBase' does not contain a definition for 'SendTargetRPCInternal' and no accessible extension method 'SendTargetRPCInternal' accepting a first argument of type 'WaveAnnouncementBase' could be found. Possibly missing a using directive or an assembly reference.
unique crane
Yeah well WaveAnnoucementBase inst gonna have it
Its in RespawnEffectsController
you need instance of that
royal mica
I yearn for the days where publicized is the past of the ages
unique crane
I yearn for the days where publicized is the past of the ages
Never going to happen
its just part of modding
Someone will always want to change that one very specific thing that isnt public
restive turret
Just make private thing to public
restive turret
Someone will always want to change that one very specific thing that isnt public
Hey it's me
upper vapor
I yearn for the days where publicized is the past of the ages
what
restive turret
Cheaters always be cheating no matter what
grand flower
aye
grand flower
How often does map generation get updated
i.e. how often should I expect a singular seed to start generating a different map after an update
restive turret
After adding a new map element
For example the pipe room, or 127 added the gen changed
grand flower
Guessing they don't modify map generation itself often right
Outside of when those elements are added
restive turret
Idk, they reworked at it in 14 i think
But probably will not be much in this 14.x
grand flower
I see
restive turret
You can make a git and check the decompiled versions (or ask david)
grand flower
Eh that's fine, I'll just add a version block to my stuff if a new update changes map generation
pretty much renders older files incompatible
and it'll be noticed very fast by users hah
things going through walls
random scaffold
but why i cant just patch it?
hearty shard
but why i cant just patch it?
because client exists ?
random scaffold
random scaffold
its reset each connection or each respawn?
restive turret
@grand flower in #195 you mean something like this?
grand flower
The latter would be better yes
upper vapor
what if it wasn't out and the caller supplied the list
grand flower
Gives control to the modders - they can handle renting
upper vapor
we could have extension methods so the player class doesn't get too cluttered
restive turret
what if it wasn't out and the caller supplied the list
like this?
restive turret
idk or use ref 
upper vapor
GetAll(ItemType, List<Item> results) => items.AddRange(List.Where(...)))
we could return the original list even
though not necessary
restive turret
public static void GetAll(ItemType type, ref List<Item> items)
{
items.AddRange(List.Where(n => n.Type == type));
}
unique crane
Tf does in do
restive turret
get all items
upper vapor
Tf does in do
immutable pass for structs
unique crane
ahhhh
upper vapor
so you can't modify the parameter in the method
grand flower
5 am stupidity nvm
upper vapor
bru
upper vapor
Tf does in do
upper vapor
so i can make a big breaking change on this
upper vapor
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/keywords/meth...
for large structs it can improve performance, but in most cases it just creates overhead
-# yes i benchmarked it
restive turret
not my head
i love downloading 78 gb on steam and 42 gb on browser so my whole pc is slow
restive turret
ref vs out vs _(nothing)
Vote!
For use ref:
For use out: 
For not use any modifier: 🔥
unique crane
for large structs it can improve performance, but in most cases it just creates ...
Large structs as...
how much
we talking
restive turret
1440 byte in memory
restive turret
bc c++
upper vapor
Large structs as...
say, 10 members or more
i can't say an exact number, though 4 members had about 1.5x worse performance with in
unique crane
say, 10 members or more
i can't say an exact number, though 4 members had about ...
Okay
upper vapor
For that much data
immutability and less GC overhead
like a big context
hai Riptide
upper vapor
that, too
grand flower
I'm just gonna go to sleep I can't follow the conversation anymore hahahaha
I'll check on it once I'm not sleep deprived
upper vapor
gn
grand flower
Me when i make the mistake of letting VS try to find symbols for the 500+ assemblies loaded
Gn
upper vapor
restive turret
gn
upper vapor
Me when i make the mistake of letting VS try to find symbols for the 500+ assemb...
don't do that with vs 
grand flower
I don't use VS for game dev work
99% of the time
1% is when Rider's debugger doesn't cut it
random scaffold
rider fun
upper vapor
Otherwise Rider does everything i need it to do
good answer 
upper vapor
1% is when Rider's debugger doesn't cut it
when i attach the debugger to unity and after hitting a breakpoint, unity freezes completely
-# on rare occasions
like, it's not "not responding" but it doesn't react at all
restive turret
#202 or smth
humble haven
for a commission i should relase source code too?
hearty shard
for a commission i should relase source code too?
Depends on agreement
but usually if someone paid money, they arent asking for it to be open source
humble haven
but usually if someone paid money, they arent asking for it to be open source
I mean, I make a plugin for him, and he wants the source code.
hearty shard
then yes give him source
celest thorn
for a commission i should relase source code too?
no but depends
i usually delete source codes after
restive turret
Probably room not getting removed from there
worthy rune
theres a bug currently where rooms are added back in the generator wrapper remove method
hearty shard
oh lol
carmine prawn
not fun :<
fresh zenith
hey uh has anyone encountered this error message before and knows how to fix it?:
[2025-06-29 14:39:41.992 +00:00] Exception while handling encrypted message on channel RemoteAdmin (server, running a handler). Exception: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[2025-06-29 14:39:42.002 +00:00] at PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager.PopulateDummyActions (System.Action`1[T] actionAdder, System.Action`1[T] categoryAdder) [0x00019] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at NetworkManagerUtils.Dummies.DummyActionCollector+CachedActions.UpdateCache () [0x00016] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at NetworkManagerUtils.Dummies.DummyActionCollector+CachedActions.get_Actions () [0x00008] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at NetworkManagerUtils.Dummies.DummyActionCollector.ServerGetActions (ReferenceHub hub) [0x00006] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at RemoteAdmin.Communication.RaDummyActions.AppendDummy (ReferenceHub dummy) [0x0001e] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at RemoteAdmin.Communication.RaDummyActions.GatherData () [0x0003a] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at RemoteAdmin.Communication.RaClientDataRequest.ReceiveData (CommandSender sender, System.String data) [0x00032] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at RemoteAdmin.Communication.RaDummyActions.ReceiveData (CommandSender sender, System.String data) [0x00095] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at RemoteAdmin.CommandProcessor.ProcessQuery (System.String q, CommandSender sender) [0x0005d] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at RemoteAdmin.QueryProcessor.ServerHandleCommandFromClient (ReferenceHub hub, EncryptedChannelManager+EncryptedMessage content, EncryptedChannelManager+SecurityLevel securityLevel) [0x0002d] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>.invoke_void_ReferenceHub_EncryptedChannelManager/EncryptedMessage_EncryptedChannelManager/SecurityLevel(ReferenceHub,EncryptedChannelManager/EncryptedMessage,EncryptedChannelManager/SecurityLevel)
at EncryptedChannelManager.ServerReceivePackedMessage (Mirror.NetworkConnection conn, EncryptedChannelManager+EncryptedMessageOutside packed) [0x00071] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0```it just really annoys me lmao
hearty shard
hey uh has anyone encountered this error message before and knows how to fix it?...
known and fixed next update
fresh zenith
known and fixed next update
k
unique crane
hey uh has anyone encountered this error message before and knows how to fix it?...
Known
unique crane
known and fixed next update
Do not confirm anything until me/riptide or someone else say it 😭
Its 2 line fix so I hope we dont forgot about it
hearty shard
Do not confirm anything until me/riptide or someone else say it 😭
i thought you
said it was
merged
IM GOING TO STRANGLE YOU
unique crane
no it isnt yet
carmine prawn
fresh zenith
(yea the bug exists since the first version lmao)
worthy rune
daid
unique crane
(yea the bug exists since the first version lmao)
Thats not labapi bug
its base game one
And not game breaking
just annoying
slender lynx
IM GOING TO STRANGLE YOU
i dont think ive ever seen you be nice to people
hearty shard
i dont think ive ever seen you be nice to people
i could be
unique crane
slender lynx
hearty shard
https://tenor.com/view/witch-montypython-holygrail-shesawitch-gif-18421113243521...
i didnt know you were a she
slender lynx
@celest thorn next tournament
throwing hot honey buns at homeless people
unique crane
i didnt know you were a she
that was to you
slender lynx
@lament niche tf you lurkin here
celest thorn
@lament niche what are you doing here???
lament niche
slender lynx
dude heard "next tournament" and INSTANTLY knew
lament niche
6th sense
hearty shard
that was to you
lament niche
im probably gonna start doing 3 tourneys a year
random scaffold
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274617943258566726/1388502742141632553/image.png?ex=686288f2&is=68613772&hm=54cf2993ac8188a9044530a6b872dbb581dd41da07db6e7b7c295c969dfcba8d& i must control fake sync?
is it reset after respawn or only after rejoin?
lament niche
im probably gonna start doing 3 tourneys a year
this year included?
lament niche
🙏
slender lynx
unlikely though
lament niche
🙏 x3
random scaffold
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274617943258566726/1388502742141632553/i...
someone big brain
lethal atlas
i dont think ive ever seen you be nice to people
She's evil
true cedar
i dont think ive ever seen you be nice to people
she never is
true cedar
for large structs it can improve performance, but in most cases it just creates ...
at what point is it worth it to use in
i have a semi large struct
upper vapor
high-performance scenarios, like asp.net
anything that has to be maximally optimized
upper vapor
hold on i might be stupisd
true cedar
like struct size
upper vapor
When your API requires that the argument be passed by reference, choose the ref readonly modifier instead of the in modifier.
upper vapor
like struct size
idk, 12 members i guess
Methods that are defined using in parameters potentially gain performance optimization. Some struct type arguments might be large in size, and when methods are called in tight loops or critical code paths, the cost of copying those structures is substantial. Methods declare in parameters to specify that arguments can be passed by reference safely because the called method doesn't modify the state of that argument. Passing those arguments by reference avoids the (potentially) expensive copy. You explicitly add the in modifier at the call site to ensure the argument is passed by reference, not by value. Explicitly using in has the following two effects:
true cedar
oh ik
upper vapor
i thought i misunderstood the concept myself but nvm
upper vapor
like struct size
i benchmarked a struct with 4 members and it was about 1.5x slower with in
worthy rune
i could be wrong but i think the tipping point is anything over the size of a native pointer is when ref/in is worth it
true cedar
nah
upper vapor
i could be wrong but i think the tipping point is anything over the size of a na...
ref, maybe, but that allows mutation which is often not what's desired
worthy rune
are they not the same performance wise (in and ref) in the context of passing a struct?
true cedar
ref, maybe, but that allows mutation which is often not what's desired
hes talking about performance not the semantics
upper vapor
are they not the same performance wise (in and ref) in the context of passing a ...
not in all cases
upper vapor
The in modifier allows the compiler to create a temporary variable for the argument and pass a readonly reference to that argument. The compiler always creates a temporary variable when the argument must be converted, when there's an implicit conversion from the argument type, or when the argument is a value that isn't a variable.
i guess then you also can't use ref
let's benchmark
worthy rune
i didnt know the in keyword was a thing for parameters until today, i only knew about it for generic args and even then i rarely used that
true cedar
i think it is basically just for big structs
hearty shard
i didnt know the ``in`` keyword was a thing for parameters until today, i only k...
what does it does for generic args
worthy rune
kinda wished they had separated the concept of const from reference like the way c++ does it
in is a terrible keyword, i guess they didnt want to make a new one
true cedar
<:guh:987864471777214525>
X<object> can be implicitly converted to X<string>
if X<in T>
hearty shard
heh
worthy rune
useful for delegates
upper vapor
let's benchmark
public record struct Amongus(int A, int B, int C);
public record struct Amongus2(int A, int B, int C, int D, int E, int F, int G, int H, int J, int K, int L, int N);
[MemoryDiagnoser(false)]
public class RefAndIn
{
[Benchmark]
public int ByRefSmall()
{
var small = new Amongus(1, 2, 3);
return ComputeRefSmall(ref small);
}
[Benchmark]
public int ByInSmall()
{
var small = new Amongus(1, 2, 3);
return ComputeInSmall(in small);
}
[Benchmark]
public int ByRefLarge()
{
var large = new Amongus2(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12);
return ComputeRefLarge(ref large);
}
[Benchmark]
public int ByInLarge()
{
var large = new Amongus2(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12);
return ComputeInLarge(in large);
}
private static int ComputeRefSmall(ref Amongus small) => small.A + small.B + small.C;
private static int ComputeInSmall(in Amongus small) => small.A + small.B + small.C;
private static int ComputeRefLarge(ref Amongus2 large) => large.A + large.B + large.C;
private static int ComputeInLarge(in Amongus2 large) => large.A + large.B + large.C;
}
huh
in is slightly faster
true cedar
in is slightly faster
prob not
upper vapor
Why is sending rolesyncinfo causing me to get kicked
cuz it requires spawn data
true cedar
thats well within the error so
slate flume
cuz it requires spawn data
Wdym
upper vapor
@restive turret do oyu have fake role sync
slate flume
things like spawn position etc
So how do I give it these things
Do I
Not use RoleSyncInfo?
true cedar
thats well within the error so
u can prob check the asm
upper vapor
Not use RoleSyncInfo?
not sure how exactly, i wrote the sync message manually when faking 079
check exiled
upper vapor
```csharp
public record struct Amongus(int A, int B, int C);
public record stru...
this is probs more optimized on newer .NET
slate flume
check exiled
Let me see if I can find out lol
upper vapor
ran it on framework 4.8
upper vapor
u can prob check the asm
ref and in generate the same instructions
upper vapor
idk 😭
true cedar
i am shocked by how it takes 10x longer
slate flume
upper vapor
i am shocked by how it takes 10x longer
are you comparing the right rows
upper vapor
yeah cuz more members, larger ctor
true cedar
i cant do math
upper vapor
slate flume
I've got no options here cause I have no way to do this shit
true cedar
MirrorExtensions...
worthy rune
yeah cuz more members, larger ctor
is there anyway to exclude that from the benchmark
hearty shard
paislee can i kill you
upper vapor
is there anyway to exclude that from the benchmark
then i'd have to allocate the struct on the heap
i can try ig
slate flume
@upper vapor thank you for the info 🙏🏼
upper vapor
np
true cedar
MirrorExtensions...
mirrorextensions is done so poorly
upper vapor
mirrorextensions is done so poorly
reál
true cedar
ah yes get every single serialize sync vars method at once
don't do it lazily
and the classic fuckNorthwood variable
upper vapor
ah yes get every single serialize sync vars method at once
if it was called on startup i'd excuse it but this is horrible
true cedar
even then
upper vapor
and the classic `fuckNorthwood` variable
there's someone who has that discord id
hearty shard
me when
true cedar
t(rue)
upper vapor
is there anyway to exclude that from the benchmark
public record struct Amongus(int A, int B, int C);
public record struct Amongus2(int A, int B, int C, int D, int E, int F, int G, int H, int J, int K, int L, int N);
[MemoryDiagnoser(false)]
public class RefAndIn
{
private Amongus _small;
private Amongus2 _large;
[GlobalSetup]
public void Setup()
{
_small = new Amongus(1, 2, 3);
_large = new Amongus2(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12);
}
[Benchmark]
public int ByRefSmall() => ComputeRefSmall(ref _small);
[Benchmark]
public int ByInSmall() => ComputeInSmall(in _small);
[Benchmark]
public int ByRefLarge() => ComputeRefLarge(ref _large);
[Benchmark]
public int ByInLarge() => ComputeInLarge(in _large);
[Benchmark]
public int ByValueSmall() => ComputeSmall(_small);
[Benchmark]
public int ByValueLarge() => ComputeLarge(_large);
private static int ComputeRefSmall(ref Amongus small) => small.A + small.B + small.C;
private static int ComputeInSmall(in Amongus small) => small.A + small.B + small.C;
private static int ComputeRefLarge(ref Amongus2 large) => large.A + large.B + large.C;
private static int ComputeInLarge(in Amongus2 large) => large.A + large.B + large.C;
private static int ComputeSmall(Amongus small) => small.A + small.B + small.C;
private static int ComputeLarge(Amongus2 large) => large.A + large.B + large.C;
}
yeah
passing a small local variable struct by value is the fastest as it seems
upper vapor
solution: do not pass any structs. make everything a class
pov GC time
worthy rune
im confused
upper vapor
so if we have a local variable that is a small struct, passing it by value is fastest
worthy rune
huh
upper vapor
if you have a field, in is the fastest
worthy rune
your refering to this, i see
upper vapor
ye
worthy rune
not sure if you can compare them
upper vapor
i mean true
for some scenarios you need a local variable, in others you refer to a field
true cedar
the joys of optimizing c# code
heady turret
How can i register event single? Like in Exiled - Exiled.Events.Handlers.Player.Verified += ...
upper vapor
the joys of optimizing c# code
rule of thumb: benchmark whether it's faster
fresh zenith
how can i say lapi he shouldn't add this values to the config if they are empty?:
hearty shard
how can i say lapi he shouldn't add this values to the config if they are empty?...
you cant
i dont think yaml supports this
fresh zenith
thats kinda anoying ngl...
hearty shard
i might be able to pr it IF yaml supports it
fresh zenith
i might be able to pr it IF yaml supports it
would be nice
slender lynx
@unique crane i think they left the balls on the gun
unique crane
😐
fresh zenith
seems like someone has more balls than the other.
restive turret
<@590224743542554630> do oyu have fake role sync
yes
hearty shard
sob
restive turret
hearty shard
thats labapi code
restive turret
your code looks the same
icy knoll
is this decompiled or raw code?
icy knoll
if it was decompiled that would make sense but ye
icy knoll
no
hearty shard
only lumi would do that
hearty shard
// ignore
its not meant to ignore
is the thing
it is meant to throw but seeing it catch and then throw it again is weird
fresh zenith
yea idk does anyone have an quick solution how i can enable an effect via its name as an string?
hearty shard
public static StatusEffectBase GetEffect(this Player player, string name)
=> player.ReferenceHub.playerEffectsController.TryGetEffect(name, out StatusEffectBase? effect) ? effect : null!;
ssomething like that
still notch
Where the fuck is that, i need to add a negative review
soft turtle
<@282125275930820608> i think they left the balls on the gun
Balls
hearty shard
Where the fuck is that, i need to add a negative review
i made pr fixing it
or
changing
i might be schizo
still notch
i made pr fixing it
upper vapor
https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/pull/203
redundact
restive turret
Hi barely functioning
hearty shard
alright chat what do i reply
celest thorn
What could cause the client to fall behind and to desync like on the movement only
by just sending primitives and thats it
restive turret
What could cause the client to fall behind and to desync like on the movement on...
Cant process message fat enough
*fast
hearty shard
celest thorn
Cant process message fat enough
yea that was what i was thinking
celest thorn
but even calculating with TPS and Ping still its not enough
restive turret
And it send a Delta
celest thorn
it happens only on higher pings tho
celest thorn
private IEnumerator<float> _SpawnRoutine(Player player)
{
var all = ClientSide
.OrderBy(p => p.priority)
.ToList();
int total = all.Count;
int spawned = 0;
#if LABAPI || EXILED
int ping = LiteNetLib4MirrorServer.GetPing(player.Connection.connectionId);;
Logger.Info(ping);
#endif
while (spawned < total)
{
float tpsRatio = 1f;
#if LABAPI || EXILED
if (Server.MaxTps > 0)
tpsRatio = Mathf.Clamp((float)(Server.Tps / Server.MaxTps), 0f, 1f);
#endif
int dynamicChunk = Mathf.Clamp(Mathf.RoundToInt(DefaultChunkSize * tpsRatio), 1, total - spawned);
int thisBatch = dynamicChunk;
// spawn [spawned .. spawned+thisBatch)
for (int i = 0; i < thisBatch; i++)
all[spawned + i].SpawnClient(player);
spawned += thisBatch;
#if LABAPI || EXILED
float ratio = Mathf.Max(tpsRatio, 0.01f);
int pingFrames = Mathf.CeilToInt(ping / 125f);
int waitFrames = Mathf.Clamp(Mathf.CeilToInt(1f / ratio) + pingFrames, 1, 8);
for (int i = 0; i < waitFrames; i++)
yield return Timing.WaitForOneFrame;
#else
yield return Timing.WaitForOneFrame;
#endif
}
if(!PlayersLoaded.Contains(player))
PlayersLoaded.Add(player);
}
Rn this is the logic
hearty shard
why do you #if LABAPI || EXILED
restive turret
Sending packets
Wait 1sec
Send packef
Wait 2 sec
Continue vig logic
celest thorn
why do you #if LABAPI || EXILED
because old version i used that
restive turret
When inside a Unity Engine
celest thorn
and this comes from a old build
celest thorn
Sending packets
Wait 1sec
Send packef
Wait 2 sec
Continue vig logic
i do this as you can see by the code i sent
but i still don't quite understand why its happening
restive turret
You should wait more then
restive turret
Well check on your client
celest thorn
should be changed
celest thorn
Well check on your client
i can check for network request??
restive turret
What
Oh uh idk if NW has a function for re-enabling dev messages like that for litenetlib
celest thorn
so yea i should make it higher i guess if you have higher ping lovely
main zenith
is there a way to refrence a default human player model(not view model but whole class model) head transform(it can be rig or something like that)
celest thorn
int pingFrames = Mathf.CeilToInt(ping / 125f); its time to change this :yippe:
restive turret
Try idk less
hearty shard
is there a way to refrence a default human player model(not view model but whole...
get role template
restive turret
Or more
celest thorn
yea i should
main zenith
get role template
wdym?
hearty shard
get role template
public static bool TryGetRoleBase<T>(this RoleTypeId roleTypeId, [NotNullWhen(true)] out T? role)
=> PlayerRoleLoader.TryGetRoleTemplate(roleTypeId, out role);
get role base
then use that to get the default
of ur role
restive turret
roling on my base
hearty shard
or if you have a player ur trying to get the model of, just use the players role
celest thorn
I honestly tried everything and im loosing it
Even if i delay it myself manually it still not enough
😭
cobalt rivet
anyone here do commisions
viral rivet
Why when I give the Pocket Corroding effect it doesn't take the player to the pocket dimension but sends him and then sends him back?
hearty shard
Why when I give the Pocket Corroding effect it doesn't take the player to the po...
give Corroding not PocketCorroding
viral rivet
thanks
random scaffold
labapi have ready method for send fake sync vars?
upper vapor
no
random scaffold
but what it?
