plugins-dev-chat

[unique crane]

I fix the black screen on respawn too

[random scaffold]

ask chatgpt

[restive turret]

My grandma can help better than chet gipiti

[unique crane]

Aha so the ratio itself is NaN

[harsh thorn]

i believe its a leftover from old sl

with unet you had to do it like that

iirc

and was just never changed with mirror

[restive turret]

:D

[harsh thorn]

maybe old mirror versions too cuz mirror was based on unet

[hearty shard]

Hmmm

[restive turret]

That's means the deadamount returns nan

[unique crane]

Yep

[restive turret]

Cinema

Now you know what needs fixing

[hearty shard]

David fix david

[restive turret]

As a IDA malware picture said in reverse:

While I sleep you work.

[restive turret]

While your at it can you fix eve too?

[random scaffold]

slejm moment

[hearty shard]

No

[unique crane]

Eve fix u

[grand flower]

that'd be cool

So wait @unique crane your fixes would mean ServerSetRole would send the role sync info and then run PlayerChangedRole on the same frame right?

If so - that'd be sweet because I'm finding more and more of our plugins breaking in weird ways because of the delay now hah

made the assumption that ServerSetRole would run OnPlayerChangedRole a lot in our code

which is fine since that was the case but not anymore

[grand flower]

is the scp blink black screen triggered by the server?

[random scaffold]

how i can check if the players already can join to the server?

like Round.WaitingOnPlayers or something

[grand flower]

They'll be able to join then yes

[random scaffold]

?

[grand flower]

It's called by the host player when its character class manager is initiated

That's around the time players will join

So you can just use WaitingForPlayers

Just witnessed a reverse NW moment

didn't think that bug would be fixed that fast

[static osprey]

oh wtf? its policy to delay fixing bugs by atleast 3 months

ill report this, thanks for the report :D

[grand flower]

[unique crane]

Yes but again

Do not take this as confirmation of it being in the next update

[grand flower]

Of course yeah

Fixed the bugs I had for now, but crossing my fingers that's the case

I'm starting to be annoyed at myself for the patches

[unique crane]

I'll add in another one to compensate

Sorry for fixing it

[grand flower]

you fixed it? :O

[unique crane]

No it was Jesus

QC

[grand flower]

nice

are you allowed to explain what was going on or nah

because i'm hella curious how something like that happens heh

[upper vapor]

was this due to division by zero?

[unique crane]

Yep

[upper vapor]

:3333

[unique crane]

Max health was 0 for 1 frame after role changed

[upper vapor]

well that's lovely, innit

[unique crane]

And since it aint a number

Clamp01 didn't handle it

[unique crane]

Maybe when I get out of bed

[grand flower]

sounds good

finding repro steps for it made me lose hair

[restive turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151931584639926333/1385153220954947645/2025061.JPG?ex=685507f6&is=6853b676&hm=aec4b70b756f25ee031e71d22fb9a6e9b725375333587d1ded606553ac0d7419&

A ghost larry

[slate flume]

So one thing I've noticed is that very occasionally, when a player jumps on the very edge of some kind of ledge, they continue make the jump client-side and keep going, but a couple seconds later lag-back to under the ledge as if they didn't make the jump

Is there a way I can fix that

[grand flower]

nop

Whatever SL does for networked movement is very prone to disagreements between client and server

[unique crane]

Yes there is slight issue with the movement system

especially if you have higher packet loss

and go around corners quickly

[slate flume]

Gotcha

Thank you 😄

[unique crane]

@slate flume However you can try to fix this

as this is server-side issue

[upper vapor]

disable anticheat
-# except it's against the VSR

[unique crane]

No its not anticheat

[grand flower]

i was about to say

if the AC handled movement corrections

[unique crane]

Its that it takes last position from you

and moves you towards it

so if you stand behind a wall

go around

but in meantime you have packet loss

and then stop behind

the server will try to move you simply forward

colliding with the wall

[grand flower]

Kinda feel like that's not really fixable without rewriting how movement is done in SL

[slate flume]

Interesting

[grand flower]

unless you just accept the client's request

[unique crane]

Cheaters: haiiii

[grand flower]

yeah

like yeah you can fix the rubberbanding by trusting clients blindly

pros: no more rubberbanding

[unique crane]

Compensate with kernel anti cheat

[grand flower]

cons:

https://tenor.com/view/flash-run-fast-gif-26117166

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-garrysmod-mod-garrys-cheats-gif-19543034

i love that gif

SL's movement was like, my number one gripe with the game for a while

[slate flume]

Instead of moving people to position sent by the client, why not use an input buffer that runs the inputs the player gave to verify movement?

[grand flower]

especially old servers room

that's generally the way it's done for games like SL

but, it wasn't done that way

[slate flume]

Interesting

Make my own input buffer

Lmao

[grand flower]

Can't since it'd need to be implemented on the client as well

[slate flume]

Sadly yeah

[grand flower]

So unless NW one day decides they wanna rewrite movement, no luck

[slate flume]

🤷🏼

[unique crane]

Well the issue here is simply on the server

[slate flume]

Guess I might just have to make the skill jumps I made a little easier

To compensate for server network lag

[unique crane]

You just have to work with all the packets that arrive at once

cause its reliable ordered

[restive turret]

Well depends what it sneds

Sends

The speed vector or the actual position

[unique crane]

Your desired position

From which the server moves towards to

and your desired rotation

and whetever you want to jump

[restive turret]

Teleport :trol:

[unique crane]

Only time when server fully trust your position input is when you have noclip enabled

which is like..

makes sense

[slate flume]

I could maybe write code that does rudimentary pathfinding to determine obstructions and then use that to determine whether or not to accept the client position

But that sounds like a lot of work

[grand flower]

open up applications so I can rewrite the entirety of the networked movement system, get it merged, and quit

[restive turret]

🙏

[slate flume]

^

I can get behind this

[restive turret]

Open up application so Cyn find and fix bugs

[slate flume]

Half the time I'm doing skill jumps I get rubberbanding

[restive turret]

Also can we get rid of toilet light flickering

[slate flume]

It's made playing SCPs like 3114 and 939 SO frustrating because when players are jumping around, you need precise input + movement

[upper vapor]

so he can make SLFine

[restive turret]

Please, I want them GONE

[upper vapor]

-# OptiFine

[grand flower]

question

is there a way to reset the fall damage velocity of a player

[restive turret]

Answer

[grand flower]

don't want them to take fall damage after teleporting them

[upper vapor]

why isn't there a setting for that

[slate flume]

Oh yeah

[upper vapor]

there's a method on the fpc motor

[slate flume]

Is there a way to fix the Lantern flicker

[unique crane]

kill

[restive turret]

There are so many place where you can do settings

[slate flume]

Or is that client-side

[restive turret]

No

[slate flume]

Shit

[restive turret]

Dont use it

[slate flume]

But

but

[restive turret]

Had the same issue

[slate flume]

Lantern

[grand flower]

ResetFallDamageCooldown()?

[unique crane]

Yeah I belive so

Look what noclip does

[restive turret]

Cant do shit with it 😭

[unique crane]

when you toggle it off

[upper vapor]

yes

[grand flower]

yep that's what noclip does

sweet

[restive turret]

FpcMotor.falldamageTime = float.NaN

[grand flower]

i'm mathing up some checks so that one of our SCPs that can teleport a player to the position of the ping doesn't push the player through the floor

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[upper vapor]

there's an accessibility setting for needles but not for flickering like 😭😭😭

[slate flume]

David, can you stay up late and fix every bug in the game? It'd be a huge help

[grand flower]

it sucks

[slate flume]

🙏🏼

[grand flower]

mmmm yes

definitely where that should've placed the player

[restive turret]

Inside the wall

[grand flower]

it placed it above the room

which is better than falling to their death in the void but like

ehh

[restive turret]

As happened one of the times for puppet in a video

[upper vapor]

the ping itself?

[grand flower]

the player

[restive turret]

Can you ping the Surface roof?

[upper vapor]

add the normal of the ping to the position

[grand flower]

don't think so

[restive turret]

Damn

[grand flower]

already do

[upper vapor]

oh aight

[grand flower]

doesn't fix it if I ping the wall close to the floor

[upper vapor]

• vector3.one

[grand flower]

because yeah, you'll be away from the wall, but you'll be halfway inside the floor

[restive turret]

If (pos == isFloor) break

[upper vapor]

or,

[grand flower]

needs to be a little more solid than that

[upper vapor]

Vector3.one * player.transform.localScale.y

[slate flume]

I love when my code has like 14 sanity checks just in case something breaks

[restive turret]

I dont do checks cus nothing can break

[grand flower]

I don't wanna place the player higher than it needs to be

[grand flower]

the idea is that it places the player just high enough to touch the floor

or as close as possible to that

[slate flume]

I've had to resort to using ReferenceEquals(x, null) on some items because the compiler bitches when I do something like ev.Player == null

[upper vapor]

only add vec3.one if the normal is up

or almost up

[slate flume]

But sometimes the player actually is null lmao

[restive turret]

Lmao

[grand flower]

doesn't work well enough

[restive turret]

It never does it for me

U using rider

[slate flume]

Ye

[grand flower]

Player can't be null though

[restive turret]

Skill issue

[upper vapor]

ev.Player.ReferenceHub != null

how can the player be null 😭

[grand flower]

Only time it can is like

[upper vapor]

which event

[grand flower]

Player.Get()

[slate flume]

What I know is

I had events that were breaking

And then I started doing ReferenceEquals(ev.Player, null)

And it fixed

[upper vapor]

you can still check for null the normal way

[grand flower]

what events

[upper vapor]

i guess this is easier to make the compiler stfu

[restive turret]

🎦

[slate flume]

Lemme check

I think I mostly did it with pickups tho

[restive turret]

Me when I turn off Warn & Info in VS

[slate flume]

Oh yeah

This one

[restive turret]

Lmao

Yeah

[upper vapor]

"created a null pickup"

[restive turret]

Pick-up being null

[slate flume]

ev, ev.Pickup, and ev.Pickup.Serial are all non-nullable

[unique crane]

what

[restive turret]

Serial is int

[slate flume]

But sometimes the Pickup, or a related item, IS null

So I check it

And it works

[restive turret]

*ushort

[upper vapor]

you stupid
how many NREs have you caused

[restive turret]

What's nre

[slate flume]

I no longer get NREs

[restive turret]

0

[slate flume]

Because I ReferenceEquals(ev.Pickup, null)

[upper vapor]

do you just put a null check everywhere

😭

[restive turret]

No

Or yes

Idk

[grand flower]

You have to check IsDestroyed on wrappers

Before accessing properties that read from Base

[restive turret]

ArgumentNullException.ThrowIfNull

[restive turret]

🙏

[slate flume]

Peak code

[grand flower]

Player can't be null

[slate flume]

But

[upper vapor]

is that in .net standard?

[grand flower]

ever

[slate flume]

It was

[slate flume]

I was getting NREs

[grand flower]

Unless you patched something out

[slate flume]

I added the check

[restive turret]

Idk porb not

[slate flume]

No more NREs

[grand flower]

It wasn't from Player

It literally cannot call that event without a player

[upper vapor]

cuz we def have that in .net 8

[restive turret]

Ye

I think thats in .net core

[slate flume]

I literally don't know what to tell you other than that check the player for null resolved all of my issues

I was getting NREs every round without it

Now I get none

[grand flower]

If you have any kind of patches

One probably is fucking up SL

[slate flume]

I do have patches but they don't do anything that complicated

[restive turret]

Silent patch making every .Get function returning null

[slate flume]

My guess was just that sometimes it calls OnPlayerChangedRole when a player leaves, so some aspect of ev.Player that I was checking was null

So when I check ev.Player for null, it also kind of "verifies" that

[restive turret]

Yes that can happen

[slate flume]

So yeah

Player is sometimes null

Just only when the player doesn't exist

So I use

ReferenceEquals

My king

[unique crane]

Seems like missing null check in the attachments code

[restive turret]

Did you fixed it david

[unique crane]

fixed what

[grand flower]

That'll fix it

[restive turret]

Null check?

Idk

[grand flower]

Although I guess it doesn't fix the root cause with 079

we'll never know

[grand flower]

im gonna go insane trying to figure out the correct way to find a valid spot for the player

[unique crane]

Huh?

[grand flower]

I'm teleporting a player where I ping with 079

Except if you ping a wall, but at floor level, the player just phases through the floor

our players are unhappy about it so I'm trying to handle most cases where that could happen

[slate flume]

What if you do a Raycast

[grand flower]

Does SL have a way of determining if a point is inside a room?

[slate flume]

To determine the floor

[grand flower]

trying that atm, was doing capsule casts

[slate flume]

Baller

[grand flower]

or well

overlaps

[slate flume]

I use casts way more often than I ever thought I would

Just so versatile

[unique crane]

ofc

[unique crane]

Raycast towards ground

and if it hits, move it like 1f up

[grand flower]

i'm using the controller's height & radius so I can be exact

there's no room in SL with holes in the ground right

like, floor that isn't fully solid

I don't think so but i'm wondering before I do raycasts

[restive turret]

Testroom?

Or waterfall room?

[grand flower]

not talking about rooms with pits

mostly don't wanna cast to the floor and go through like a tiny hole or something (even though the player is standing on the floor)

but i don't think SL has any room like that

[restive turret]

No i don't think there is such

[royal mica]

[restive turret]

It can be null

Like dummy

Or pre verified player

[royal mica]

Yeah, but Disconnect event isn't fired for Dummies

[restive turret]

R u sur

[royal mica]

No, i wanted to ask but forgot the ?

[hearty shard]

Is there not NullOrEmpty check ?

string.Is....

[royal mica]

There is, just didn't use it

I'm paranoid from the NWPluginAPI days where the .Get always failed

[grand flower]

Just wondering

is the 079 ping ratelimit clientside

or can I reset the ratelimit on the server

heh

[hearty shard]

whatd u do

is it?

i haventseen this

[unique crane]

Well can you show us server log..?

[hearty shard]

yeah

show smth

😭

if it kicks theres a kick reason

[icy knoll]

especially if ur given that kick reason on the client

[hearty shard]

local admin logs ?

[icy knoll]

show local admin log

[grand flower]

check local admin logs

[icy knoll]

not server logs

[hearty shard]

also player.log on client

could have smth

[grand flower]

doesn't happen to us

my guess is you have an exception in the event handler

that's called during the rpc handler

[hearty shard]

[2025-06-19 09:17:46.092 +00:00] Authentication token of player 76561198149956030@steam has been confirmed by central server.
[2025-06-19 09:18:52.543 +00:00] [STDOUT] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[2025-06-19 09:18:52.544 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at AlphaWarheadActivationPanel.Start () [0x00000] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
[2025-06-19 09:18:56.577 +00:00] [STDOUT] Disconnecting connId=2 to prevent exploits from an Exception in MessageHandler: NullReferenceException Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[2025-06-19 09:18:56.577 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at Mirror.NetworkBehaviour.get_isServer () [0x00006] in <ae599454e38d4008a675271403de09db>:0
[2025-06-19 09:18:56.577 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at Mirror.NetworkBehaviour.SendRPCInternal (System.String functionFullName, System.Int32 functionHashCode, Mirror.NetworkWriter writer, System.Int32 channelId, System.Boolean includeOwner) [0x00023] in <ae599454e38d4008a675271403de09db>:0
[2025-06-19 09:18:56.577 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at AlphaWarheadActivationPanel.RpcGranted () [0x00006] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
[2025-06-19 09:18:56.577 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at AlphaWarheadActivationPanel.set_IsUnlocked (System.Boolean value) [0x00021] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
[2025-06-19 09:18:56.577 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at AlphaWarheadActivationPanel.ServerInteractKeycard (ReferenceHub ply) [0x00038] in <d9731e675e55453197cf28cd60eed3f2>:0
[2025-06-19 09:18:56.577 +00:00] [STDOUT]   at AlphaWarheadActivationPanel.ServerInteract (ReferenceHub ply, System.Byte colliderId)

thats a mirror error

ur serveer might be broken

this is erroring with null ref

so permsIndicator / nfcScanner

[unique crane]

@full wedge Can you show us the code thats causing this?

As I do not see any labapi methods in the stack trace

Well then you might want to reinstall your server

[hearty shard]

well

your specific server

is having issue

i havent heard this

it has to be basegame

or... you issue

[grand flower]

if you had a plugin fucking up i'd say yeah

[hearty shard]

but its weird

[grand flower]

but vanilla? probs a broken server

else you'd have riots in #scp-discussion

[hearty shard]

thought you said no plugins

[grand flower]

i thought you said you had no plugins

[hearty shard]

ah

idk

cyn did u test it just now

[grand flower]

I mean I can

[unique crane]

@full wedge Can you confirm the issue on BLANK server

[hearty shard]

i have seen nuke go off without issue

[unique crane]

No plugins

[grand flower]

again if this was an issue

#scp-discussion would riot

[unique crane]

Because we have no reports of this

Yeah

[grand flower]

making me open two games at once

• the server

my poor pc won't survi-

[unique crane]

"no plugins"

yeah sure buddy

Whats this then?

Well can you remove the plugin

and replicate that issue

[unique crane]

and send me that log?

No

Clean server

no plugins

Hm?

Well I dont see any exception in that log + there is still a plugin loaded

[upper vapor]

string.IsNullOrEmpty takes care of this

Oh eve had answered already

Rename the .config/LabAPI directory temporarily and see if it still happens

If it doesn't, test the occurrence per every separate plugin enabled, and go to its author

[icy knoll]

day 3 of waiting for scp proximity chat plugin :3

[grand flower]

be the change you want to see

wouldn't be that hard

especially with custom keybinds to switch between scp chat and prox chat

[icy knoll]

axwabo is making their own

i believe they are stuck at a road block rn

[grand flower]

what's the roadblock

[icy knoll]

some volume mishaps

[upper vapor]

I need to write docs
And hopefully NW fixes the speaker toy volume bug

I don't wanna amplify it on the server

[grand flower]

huh

[icy knoll]

i can help, you just have to link the repo 😭

[upper vapor]

It took an hour to write it lol

[hearty shard]

ax i hate you

[grand flower]

can you not just set the voice channel to prox

or do clients do filtering

[icy knoll]

hey ax is awesome, dont diss them

[hearty shard]

then it shows on the side

[icy knoll]

smh

[hearty shard]

theyre using speaker toys

to prevent that

[upper vapor]

Uh
Nuh uh
Dependency on another repo I haven't released yet

Surprise

[hearty shard]

and speaker toys are quiet

idk

[grand flower]

nw moment

[upper vapor]

I hate me too

[hearty shard]

it just checks if ur scp then shows u on side

[grand flower]

big nw moment

Just spawn multiple speakers with the same controller id to make them louder

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unique crane]

When we deporting eve?

[upper vapor]

True...

[grand flower]

that's what we do

[icy knoll]

bruh, hopefully u got ur solution coming soon then as i trust ur code better than my own lol

[grand flower]

works perfectly fine

[upper vapor]

It's gonna be big

[hearty shard]

woah woah woah

[icy knoll]

wdym 😭

what else did you add 😭

[upper vapor]

From Denmark? I support that

[hearty shard]

woah woah woah

RACISM???

[upper vapor]

Not to Proximity chat
But the framework I'm using

[hearty shard]

XENOPHOBIA?!??!!

[upper vapor]

Countrism

With absolutely nothing in the labapi plugins directory?

[icy knoll]

i thought you were only gunna use secretapi 😭

[upper vapor]

Yes

I do

And another dependency :33

[icy knoll]

smh

another dependency to add here we come

[unique crane]

Yipeee I love dependencies

[icy knoll]

real

[unique crane]

But its alright

[upper vapor]

It's useful though
And you don't need the dependency of the dependency if you only have proximity chat

[unique crane]

we still arent on the javascript 500MB dependencies

[upper vapor]

Also I can just release pxc with a dependencies zip

[upper vapor]

SL Wasm

Imagine

[icy knoll]

ive gotta migrate all these to labapi (except some already have labapi versions im just lazy)

[hearty shard]

yes migrate exiled to labapi

[upper vapor]

Dam

[icy knoll]

shush

[random scaffold]

iphider

[icy knoll]

ignore the exiled specific plugins

[random scaffold]

lumi moment

[icy knoll]

what

[upper vapor]

I have that too

[icy knoll]

it's a useful plugin

[upper vapor]

Don't wanna expose my IP if I'm streaming LA

[icy knoll]

i dont wanna see ips

i dont do ip bans

i banned my staff from doing ip bans also

so

[upper vapor]

[hearty shard]

[icy knoll]

cedmod alt detection gets rid of the stragglers

:3

anyway

does anyone know if it's possible to like have 2 configurations set at the same time during building?

[unique crane]

Wdym?

[hearty shard]

#if probably

compiler statements

[unique crane]

Ah

preprocessors

[icy knoll]

like my plugin timers has 2 configurations for ruei and hsm

[hearty shard]

(it can, SL does it)

[icy knoll]

but i also want exiled and labapi support

[hearty shard]

guh

[icy knoll]

so instead of

#if EXILED-RUEI || LABAPI-RUEI I can just do #if RUEI

and then have #if EXILED in the right places

idk if it's possible so

[unique crane]

#define YOURPREPROCESSOR

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43836548/define-c-sharp-preprocessor-from-msbuild

[icy knoll]

so I'd need a define constants with like exiled or labapi inside of it or smth before i build

[upper vapor]

<PropertyGroup Condition="$(DefineConstants.Contains('EXILED-RUEI')) or ...">
    <DefineConstants>$(DefineConstants);RUEI</DefineConstants>
</PropertyGroup>

actually you can embed the defineconstants directive in another property group but then put the condition on it

[icy knoll]

wait so i make a build condition based on all of this and then just in the csproj, make it so it filters

hmm

good shout

[upper vapor]

yes

[icy knoll]

maybe smth like this? idk

[upper vapor]

you just duplicated the constants lol

[icy knoll]

not rly because it checks the condition before it adds, no?

[upper vapor]

"if contains exiled, add exiled"

[icy knoll]

EXILED-RUEI, EXILED-HSM

if contains exiled in there

add EXILED specifically

wouldn't that work?

or is DefineConstants an array

[upper vapor]

that's what you're doing rn

i mean

yeah do it like that but don't put the same constant twice

also you're missing a parenthesis at the end

[icy knoll]

yes i get that

but

i dont see the issue as it wont add it twice as i wont have a build condition named "EXILED" anyway

it will be exiled-ruei or exiled-hsm

[upper vapor]

ye

[icy knoll]

unless DefineConstants is an array, then id have to add those

there

is that optimal? :3

[hearty shard]

me when

2 EXILED-RUEI

[icy knoll]

huh

[icy knoll]

yeah

what about it

first adds EXILED

[hearty shard]

...

[icy knoll]

second adds RUEI

[hearty shard]

what about Labapi hsm

[icy knoll]

look at it

[upper vapor]

okay uh

[icy knoll]

last line has EXILED-HSM and LabAPI-HSM

[upper vapor]

turns out that this works

[icy knoll]

knew it would!!!!

😭

[upper vapor]

i thought it was an array 😭

[icy knoll]

ill revert back then

:3

[upper vapor]

me when

[hearty shard]

just a gut feeling that you can add 2 at the same time

cba to test

but yk

[icy knoll]

me when it's not working i dont thin

yeah it's 100% not working 😭

so confused now

[upper vapor]

that's the build configuration

you're choosing

check $(Configuration) instead of defineconstants

[icy knoll]

oh yeah true

[upper vapor]

also, consider using global usings :3333

[icy knoll]

idrk how they work 😭

[upper vapor]

global using Name.Space

put it in whichever file

usually GlobalUsings.cs

Rider can do that for you btw

[icy knoll]

me when i dont know how to that either

[upper vapor]

click on a using

right click

convert to global using

[icy knoll]

ok genuinely about to cry

[upper vapor]

how does your csproj look currently

[upper vapor]

uh

[icy knoll]

did i do smth wrong 😭

[upper vapor]

did you save the csproj

[icy knoll]

autosave should be on

[upper vapor]

you need to press ctrl+s for csproj files to reload automatically

<Target Name="amogus" BeforeTargets="BeforeBuild">
    <Warning Text="$(Configuration)"/>
<Target>

add this and build

check what it prints

[icy knoll]

oh rider crashed out

"no projects loaded"

wtf

????????

[upper vapor]

target has to be in the project root level

not in a propertygroup

[icy knoll]

oh

right

time to fuck around with the sln

sln looks fine??

why does it say im on the wrong configuration

[upper vapor]

oh gosh

[icy knoll]

ok

turns out rider was crashing out

not the sln

now it works

[unique crane]

Rider moment

[icy knoll]

fuck sake

[upper vapor]

bru

[unique crane]

Visual Studio wins once again

[icy knoll]

david im not falling for ur propaganda smh

[upper vapor]

yeah the piece of microsoft that doesn't even let you change the language version

mhm

[unique crane]

Your gonna install Microsoft Visual Studio 2022

[upper vapor]

they're trying to get people to move toVSC anyway

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brother1984-1984-big-brother-big-brother-is-watching-you-george-orwell-gif-24454773

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-24498059

[icy knoll]

fuck i just realised i gotta learn base game ssss stuff because i use exiled's here 😭

@unique crane when ssss v2?

[restive turret]

127.0.0.1:5292

[hearty shard]

wat

[icy knoll]

what?

[hearty shard]

why

[icy knoll]

because if i use labapi i cant use exiled can i

smh

[hearty shard]

me when

[restive turret]

U when

[hearty shard]

you can use labapi while using exiled

me when you uhhh

[icy knoll]

i know

[hearty shard]

secretapi...

[icy knoll]

but i cant use exiled on labapi

[restive turret]

U when u relized noone using secretapi

[icy knoll]

and im not making people install a dependency 😭

[hearty shard]

im firing slejm

[restive turret]

U can't

[icy knoll]

hmm

[hearty shard]

ill make all my plugins require dependency now

[restive turret]

Ur not my manager

[icy knoll]

yeah this is why david hates u smh

[hearty shard]

no this is why david loves me

[restive turret]

I don't think so

[upper vapor]

if you don't set the IP in the config then it shows your external IP

[icy knoll]

for SSGroupHeader, do you just put it before ur setting in DefinedSettings and it will work fine?

[upper vapor]

there should be an hour long youtube documentary about you & david

[unique crane]

what the fuck

[upper vapor]

insults & rage bait

"how a labapi programmer turned nw against themselves"

[unique crane]

Insane SCP SL drama

@hearty shard just make SSSS wrapper labapi pr

and everyone will have your dependency

[hearty shard]

im not happy w my wrapper yet

[icy knoll]

ig yes

[unique crane]

yep

[hearty shard]

do you think it might be approved

but also

then whats the point of secretapi 💔

[unique crane]

Its part of the not-so-secret plan to destroy it

[icy knoll]

me when probably bad solution

[upper vapor]

you can just

[..settings, header, setting]

[icy knoll]

did not know there was spread things in c#

[upper vapor]

collection expressions are cool

definitely haven't seen them elsewhere

[icy knoll]

real

why is DefinedSettings an array anyway seriously

[upper vapor]

also if we had System.Index in .net frameowork
gotta switch to .net standard sometime

[icy knoll]

super dumb decision

"makes it easy for plugin devs to add settings", instantly chooses the hardest way to add items

[unique crane]

I can change it to observable collection or something

And break every single SSS plugin

[icy knoll]

real...

[unique crane]

Actually..

if you do like

DefinedSettings = [...]

it wont break

[upper vapor]

DefinedSettings is aprop

[hearty shard]

david...

im going to break you...

[upper vapor]

so you could obsolete it and make another propery with a list

[unique crane]

How so and why

[hearty shard]

why not

[upper vapor]

break this

malicious software removal tool

[hearty shard]

me when i https://github.com/Misfiy/SecretAPI/pull/59/files

idk

[icy knoll]

yay my plugin built

thanks @upper vapor for the configuration stuff :3

[upper vapor]

np

[royal mica]

I hate Visual Studio c:

if I edit CSS or Ts file, it autoformats, but it doesn't know how to do it correctly so uses C# formatting, which is way different

[random scaffold]

YamlDotNet.Core.YamlException: (Line: 3, Col: 3, Idx: 54) - (Line: 3, Col: 3, Idx: 54): Exception during deserialization ---> System.Runtime.Serialization.SerializationException: Property 'normalized' not found on type 'UnityEngine.Vector3'.

what wrong

...

normalized didnt using

[upper vapor]

are you using the serializer provided by labapi?

[random scaffold]

no

[upper vapor]

then you should

[random scaffold]

why

and how

[upper vapor]

because it has serializers for things like vector3 and color

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/blob/master/LabApi/Loader/Features/Yaml/YamlConfigParser.cs

[random scaffold]

how i can normalized it?

[upper vapor]

.normalized

[random scaffold]

to offset with zero rotation

[upper vapor]

also

why would you

normalize that

[random scaffold]

it fix rotation to zero?

[upper vapor]

no?

[hearty shard]

Vector3 of a position isnt the rotation

its the position

[random scaffold]

then why you said use it

[random scaffold]

im know

[upper vapor]

a normalized vector is a unit vector, in the same direcition as the original but with a length of 1

[random scaffold]

me need calculate offset from object with zero rotation

[upper vapor]

because you wanted to normalize it

[random scaffold]

i wanna other

[upper vapor]

and then i realized why are you doing that

[upper vapor]

this code gives you exactly what you want
a local-space offset

you can transform that back with transformpoint

[random scaffold]

its incorrect

because room have rotation

and if she will be have other rotation it spawn in the void

[hearty shard]

then store the correct rotation too

[random scaffold]

me need calculate offset from ojbect with zero rotation

[upper vapor]

.

[random scaffold]

.

its already that

what wrong

roomType = Unnamed

[upper vapor]

bro starts deleting it

[random scaffold]

no

[upper vapor]

why are you buta

[random scaffold]

question is actual

[upper vapor]

why do you even have the second constructor

[random scaffold]

because i dont wanna use = new() { type = 3, offset = 2 }

[upper vapor]

just

make the offset not nullable and default instead of nul

zero is the default anyway

[random scaffold]

why config looks that

if its normal

[hearty shard]

whats the issue

[random scaffold]

type: Unnamed

...

[hearty shard]

oh

moment

[upper vapor]

skull

[unique crane]

YOu had 096 room there before?

[upper vapor]

https://github.com/Axwabo/SCPSL-Helpers/blob/main/Axwabo.Helpers/Config/MapPointByRoomType.cs

this works perfectly

also, have you deleted the config to regenerate it?

[unique crane]

Yeah try that

[random scaffold]

its new config

[random scaffold]

generated by it

[random scaffold]

yes

um

now it generated normal

what the shit

its 100% was last config

-_-

[hearty shard]

logic moment

[random scaffold]

system too said what it last

by creation date and time

mklink one love

magic command

[carmine prawn]

💀

yoo, why does WaveTeamSelectingEventArgs only provide SpawnableWaveBase, but others such as WaveTeamSelectedEventArgs provide RespawnWave?

[hearty shard]

forgotten

they didnt have wrappers when it was made origianlly

[carmine prawn]

ForgetAPI

💀

and Ctrl+Shift+R

[restive turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914566641826816060/1385235540441432084/image.png?ex=685554a1&is=68540321&hm=ceec85768246c6751f91bf04eaa737807a8281302d23acf186e7bebc75167940&

[idle depot]

The Cube™

[carmine prawn]

if I want to change MaxWaveSize, which event can I use? OnServerWaveTeamSelecting seems too late

if no more elegant workaround, I would try with OnPlayerJoin and OnPlayerLeft

[restive turret]

Patch it

Or sub to something

[upper vapor]

patch WaveSpawner.SpawnWave

[random scaffold]

god

[restive turret]

Yes, u called me

[random scaffold]

i called cube

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1002427862026039358/1331616420374642770/togif.gif

[upper vapor]

@icy knoll
-# excuse the hiccup caused by the restart after windows update

VOLUME WARNING

[icy knoll]

no way wtf

[unique crane]

Epic

[random scaffold]

how

you streaming it

[upper vapor]

yes

:3

[spring swan]

this is cool

[unique crane]

I was thinking about plugin to stream voice from specific discord VC to in game broadcast or something

[upper vapor]

thank y'all

[random scaffold]

share code

[upper vapor]

if you create a bot that provides an endpoint for the plugin to connect to, it's certainly possible
although for linux you need to stream the raw samples

[upper vapor]

[random scaffold]

but not in the axwabo.helpers

[upper vapor]

i had that dependency for 1 method

also

you'll need dependencies anyway

so

[royal mica]

HOLY SHIT

I want this with music synced rave color change during MusicKillers World is Mine

imagine those colored light thingies but ingame

[upper vapor]

with a bit of FFT magic it could be done

[restive turret]

Cant wait to sync carameldancen to a rave color

Wait can you get the audio current volume? Like db

[upper vapor]

the sample providers give you samples (amplitude) and you can convert that to decibels
you can create a provider that also reads to a separate buffer

[upper vapor]

go check out NAudio in the meantime

[royal mica]

oooh with this mp3 can be played

The Mp3FileReader class uses the ACM MP3 codec that is present on almost all consumer versions of Windows. However, it is important to note that some versions of Windows Server do not have this codec installed without installing the "Desktop Experience" component.

well that goes out the window

[upper vapor]

NLayer

NVorbis

i use those

[royal mica]

Oh I see

[icy knoll]

just found out about Directory.Build.props, lifesaver

[unique crane]

Yipee

[icy knoll]

legit i was so fed up of going into each project, grabbing the dll from the bin and uploading it to github releases

so i did some research

found it

[slate flume]

Is it possible to change player scale without effecting the hitbox?

[upper vapor]

set scale, send spawn message, reset scale

[slate flume]

OH shit

You rightt

You right

So I can just set scale on the FpcScaleController and then send a spawn message resetting scale

[upper vapor]

uh

why not set the transform's scale

[slate flume]

Because

Transform scale doesn't automatically sync

FpcScaleController does

[upper vapor]

that's what we want

[slate flume]

Set scale -> sync -> set scale again

[upper vapor]

sendspawnmessage sends the scale

[slate flume]

Change size -> sync -> reset scale

[upper vapor]

yes

just not with the fpcscalecontroller

we don't want those messages

[slate flume]

You can do:
transform scale -> spawn message -> transform scale
Or
FpcScaleController -> transformscale

Or am I wrong

I thought the scale controller at a base level does something to the effect of Transform Scale -> Spawn Message

Just in a wrapper

[upper vapor]

with fpcscale you get desync if their role changes

you also need to handle joining players

[slate flume]

Wdym

Role change = reset scale

So no desync right?

[hearty shard]

yes but

fake size + fake role = desync

[slate flume]

Yes

[upper vapor]

right

huh is right

[slate flume]

But if I set transform scale to reset size

[upper vapor]

cuz the scale will be 1 anyway

[slate flume]

Then no desync

My goal is to change player appearance but not hitbox

So I just use FpcScaleController -> Transform Scale
Then handle joining players

That's it

I believe

[upper vapor]

i mean

at that point you might as well just send an fpcscalemessage

or

scalesyncmessage

whatever it's called

[slate flume]

Oh that exists?

Sick

That makes life 10x easier

I'm writing this down for later

You guys rock

[hearty shard]

well thats what nw sends

to update scale

[slate flume]

Hurray!

If shit breaks I'll let you know

I'm off to buy groceries

[upper vapor]

bon appetit

[random scaffold]

is it possible manipulate shooting sounds and other?

[upper vapor]

there used to be a GunAudioMessage but now it's done with RPCs

so you need a firearm to play a gun sound

[random scaffold]

I want to create a +-large object, but the zones are always nearby. And the world is limited to -128, -128 and 128, 428, 128

[random scaffold]

no

i wanna so that this cannot be heard outside of schematics

[upper vapor]

oh

then you have to patch the audio module or what's it called

[still thistle]

guys help pls i am making a map on unity (sl-custom objects) i select compile all on shematics manager it not compile pls help guys

[random scaffold]

why by nw was given so little space

https://tenor.com/view/akira-blue-archive-kiyosumi-akira-cute-cutecutecutecutecute-gif-2165316117835791871

[upper vapor]

not to send to hubs outside

[hearty shard]

ask MER

[random scaffold]

they have discord

ask there

[still thistle]

ok

[upper vapor]

you can just spawn doors to increase the area where players can move

-# relative positioning system

[random scaffold]

how?

more details big brain axwabo

[upper vapor]

find door prefab

spawn

[random scaffold]

where spawn?

[upper vapor]

spawn where you want more space

[random scaffold]

you mean increase 128, 128 limits?

or teleport of the player

[upper vapor]

a door creates a cube with a "radius" of 128 around itself

[random scaffold]

its allow moving players?

[upper vapor]

yes

[random scaffold]

i can create door 500, 0, 500?

[upper vapor]

https://youtu.be/XADYO51sUwU

[random scaffold]

lol

[upper vapor]

you can put it anywhere

[random scaffold]

but why they add it?

[upper vapor]

.

It also reduces load 12->7 bytes per packet

[unique crane]

To make elevators move without players falling through them

[grand flower]

That's not really worth it if it was just for that

But yeah elevators I suppose

Granted there's less restricting and annoying ways to do so

[random scaffold]

pl.Position = shit.TransformPoint(relativePosition)?

or how it works

[grand flower]

But SL movement can't make use of those the way it's built

pl.Position = relative.Position I think

[random scaffold]

relative pos it local

[grand flower]

It's not

Not SL's stuff

It's relative to a waypoint, the Position property returns the world space position

[random scaffold]

me need get prefab by id?

id static?

[ancient walrus]

Heyo
Quick question about LabAPI, what's the latest version installed on the dedicated ? Because on the github the latest is the 1.0.2, and on my server it seems that i got the 1.1.0 ( at least it's what the files properties tells me )

[upper vapor]

new RelativePosition(original).Position

[upper vapor]

at berly has still not updated github smh

[random scaffold]

what me need do next?

only instantiate?

for create the door

[upper vapor]

also network spawn it

with this code you're creating a door right above the lcz wc door though...

[random scaffold]

instantiate broke all doors

[random scaffold]

im know

[true cedar]

i think i may kill someone

[upper vapor]

[upper vapor]

have you spawned it?

[random scaffold]

no

now trying

[true cedar]

im trying to parse textmeshpro except i need to juggle maybe 500000 things

format items {0} noparse etc

[random scaffold]

paislee moment

[true cedar]

im writing some of the worst code of my life

[upper vapor]

i would love to make a PR to ruei that uses spans

:3

[hearty shard]

i thought that was ruei 2

[true cedar]

oh ruei v3 is using spans

a lot

[upper vapor]

yes

YES

[true cedar]

except

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/crushed-it-gif-18087987023179949748

[true cedar]

like

because i discovered that escape sequences

so like \u0057 or whatever it is

work for tags

[random scaffold]

MAGIC

[unique crane]

Yipee

[random scaffold]

but where contains the code?

for add door in the list and other

[upper vapor]

me when not csharp

[upper vapor]

filter by name

[random scaffold]

?

[unique crane]

I like the "TODO: fix"

[true cedar]

i have to find out how i want to support animated values too my life SUCKS

[icy knoll]

what is a span, i only know span as the html element 😭

[random scaffold]

but where it adding to the Door.List

[true cedar]

its like a

substring

but fast