plugins-dev-chat

[restive turret]

yes

[hearty shard]

also love this code

(pls i need role wrappers 💔 )

[restive turret]

make your own

[hearty shard]

flip no!

[restive turret]

💔

[hearty shard]

ill wait for labapi to do it

in labapi we trust

[restive turret]

Riptide is doing it so it matter of time

[hearty shard]

yea

[restive turret]

ye

[unique crane]

Yea

[hearty shard]

guh

[restive turret]

you should have named that Scp096TryNotToCryAbility or just smuply TryNotToCryAbility

[hearty shard]

probably

but idc

ill rename it back to scp096Role when labapi wrappers

same with 079 one

[restive turret]

SecretAPI will be denied

[hearty shard]

guh

[upper vapor]

No cache?

[hearty shard]

nah

i dont need no cache

its only run 60 times a second

[unique crane]

Make it run every 2nd frame

Performance++

[hearty shard]

so true

theres only a few casts

yk

just a few

i dont agree with it either

but

but

what could go wrong

[hearty shard]

sry for ping but is there no way better than this?

[unique crane]

I didnt find a better way either

Unity moment

[upper vapor]

<NoStdLib>true</NoStdLib>

That's how Unity does it

[unique crane]

Oh

[upper vapor]

Not much better but it's less characters

[unique crane]

wiki update wouldn't be bad

For things like these

[loud schooner]

hi everyone, listen, i want to get into cybersecurity, what do i need to know, and do i need to have a virtual machine?

[marsh minnow]

Yes, because you need to have a way to test viruses etc. and not break your pc

[upper pike]

Nah download all the viruses directly to your personal machine

[limber silo]

get into pentesting

hack the box....

[icy knoll]

pentesting isn’t the only thing in cyber security

coming from a cyber security engineer irl btw

[restive turret]

Penning the tests

[limber silo]

didnt say that

it is the best place to start imo, lots of knowledge and will open your mind about what it really is

[icy knoll]

true

[loud schooner]

pantesting, what is it?

[loud schooner]

No problem

[plush walrus]

Can you confirm this is accurate then? (This is a joke please don’t kill me)

[icy knoll]

yeah this is what i walk into in the office every day

[plush walrus]

Ah, thank you Lumi

[main zenith]

i would need a help im making a custom plugin for easter in NWapi(Not LabApi) and i need to remove from list a item that has ItemPickup which was deleted by cleanup and others im using this but its not working correctly

 Main.Instance.Eggs.RemoveAll(e => e.egg == null || e.egg.GameObject == null || !e.egg.GameObject);

alternatively is there a way to check if item exist with some Serial?

[royal mica]

I wonder, will the fancy log coloring will make a comeback in LabApi?

[main zenith]

what happens to item after Clean up? they are destroyed or what bcs for some reason this function makes everything freeze like "item" is game object of the egg which is ItemPickup but for some reason it makes the entire function to lag/frezze after that

   var eggs = Main.Instance.Eggs;
   List<int> toRemove = new List<int>();

 
   for (int x = eggs.Count - 1; x >= 0; x--)
   {
       var item = eggs[x];
       if (item.item ==null)
       {
           toRemove.Add(x);
       }
   }

  
   foreach (var index in toRemove)
   {
       NetworkServer.Destroy(eggs[index].shell.gameObject);
       eggs.RemoveAt(index);
   }

someone had an idea why this is so broken?

[hearty shard]

Make the round start counter not count OW as players

[icy knoll]

how do I check how long is left on the deadman sequence timer?

[hearty shard]

check warhead

[unique crane]

Just like normal warhead timer

[icy knoll]

no

not what i mean

the timer until deadman sequence inits

[unique crane]

Ahaaa

one sec

[hearty shard]

DeadmanSwitch._dmsTime

[unique crane]

DeadmanSwitch._activationTimer

[hearty shard]

oh

[unique crane]

Youuu will however

[hearty shard]

changed

[unique crane]

need to publicize

[unique crane]

Its possible its changed name in 14.1 idk xd

[hearty shard]

i gave current one

idk what labapi is

[carmine prawn]

💀

[icy knoll]

im making a pr for exiled

lol

unless you guys add it for next update

[unique crane]

done xd

Very scary

Changing private to public

and _a

to A

[icy knoll]

yeah but you gotta then find every reference of the old variable and change it over

[unique crane]

No we have cool VS feature for that

Its called

rename

[hearty shard]

💀?

Is that what you do

Is bro using notepadd

[icy knoll]

i use rider

[hearty shard]

Which has the same feature

[icy knoll]

ive never heard of it before

how do i use it

[hearty shard]

Rename it

[unique crane]

Its quite new feature yea

You may need to reinstall your whole OS for it

[hearty shard]

ive been it for a while

Just rename
It will underline iirc
And then you just agree to rename it

[unique crane]

Everybody just renames the property but nobody cares if it wants to

):

[icy knoll]

how bruh

i like click the thing

change the name

and then i have to change all references

manually

do i have to like double click or smth?

ctrl + r that shit?

[upper pike]

Alt+Enter on rider i think

[upper vapor]

Right click
Rename

Also if you change the name or the signature by typing you should get a prism icon next to the line number which lets you update references
"Apply name change refactoring" for example

Btw
Double shift also exists
So just type what you want and it'll tell you the shortcut

When one of my friends saw me renaming something he went "wait does Rider have a thing to rename?"
Yeah duh
Even VSC has it, F2
Bro had been manually updating everything since the dawn of time 😭

[icy knoll]

i’ve been doing that forever

[upper vapor]

[lucid canyon]

making somthing strange..

[marsh minnow]

Path finding?

[restive turret]

finding path to

[plush walrus]

That’s better than what I was going to say, I was going to say it was minesweeper

[royal mica]

Was there any solution for this

[fresh zenith]

question is there any command for the steamcmd console to reload a plugin etc?

[carmine prawn]

nope

if you mean hot reload plugin

[upper vapor]

steamcmd has nothing to do with plugins, i'm not sure what you're referring to

[indigo knoll]

Im no dev but you don't use SteamCMD for anything other than installing the server right

[upper vapor]

correct, installation and updating of only the server itself

[hearty shard]

LA has plugin stuff

[upper vapor]

plugins are separate, managed by the server, not by steamcmd

[restive turret]

well i rather restart the game fully

cus i dont think it reloads the server / c# asm

[upper vapor]

i tried to make hot reload work

i failed

but Killers managed it apparently

[restive turret]

uhh

you have to unload the asm which is wierd

[upper vapor]

i tried to load the new assembly into a separate domain and using that, replace the IL of the assembly in the current domain

for some reason the IL was the same all the time

[fresh zenith]

yea uh nvm my brain.exe isn't running rn lol

[royal mica]

Future ref: Switched to using OnPlayerJoin even to trigger the init instead of the override

[carmine prawn]

💀

bro just wants to modify topPlayers

[unique crane]

Huh

[hearty shard]

?

[carmine prawn]

I want the countdown not to increase in last 10 seconds

(when player join

[royal mica]

When OnInstanceCreated is executed, the ReferenceHub still doesn't have all the required user data (since they are not authenticated yet)

So I had to move from OnInstanceCreated to a function call and using OnPlayerJoined event

[unique crane]

Makes sense..

[limpid fjord]

Is the snake game on Chaos Keycard handled server-side?

[fresh zenith]

nah probably client-side

would make a lot more sense imo

[upper vapor]

from what i could conclude from the portion of the stream i watched, the key presses are handled by the client and sent to the server to broadcast to others
so you will probably be able to send network messages (or rpcs) to control the snake, though it might not work for the client holding the keycard

[icy knoll]

it is synced to every client

if you play a game of snake, someone else can see you playing

so data is sent to the server

[static osprey]

someone make a plugin that randomly stops you from moving your snake for a single second

[icy knoll]

it depends on whether there is a call made to the server to see if the move can be made, if not then it won’t be possible probably

[unique crane]

I can take a look

It might be the case where client has full control

and just sends data to server whats his status

[fresh zenith]

hey uh. is it possible to use any higher version of .NET? i hate only being able to use C# 8.0

[upper vapor]

just change the <LangVersion> in the csproj

[fresh zenith]

Visual Studio ignores the change...

[upper vapor]

huh

[fresh zenith]

yea

[upper vapor]

did you save and reload the project?

[fresh zenith]

ofc

[upper vapor]

what did you set the language version to?

[fresh zenith]

13.0

[upper vapor]

change it to 13

maybe it'll work

[fresh zenith]

wait let me try

i completly closed VS and reopened it.

(also yea i'm from germany so let me translate: it says: "some function" is not available in C# 9.0 use 10.0 or later)

[unique crane]

<PropertyGroup>
  <LangVersion>latest</LangVersion>
</PropertyGroup>

That should give you like the highest one you can get

[upper vapor]

oh the horrors of the .NET Framework csproj files

[upper vapor]

i assume you have the .NET 9 SDK installed so that should be working

[fresh zenith]

did in fact not work.

[upper vapor]

are there any other langversion tags after it?

[fresh zenith]

you mean in the .csproj?

[upper vapor]

ye

[fresh zenith]

nah its the only one and i added it myself

[unique crane]

Or well this is what I use for my testing plogin

[fresh zenith]

exactly like that i had it in my csproj file

didn't work. sadly

[unique crane]

DId you reload the project?

[fresh zenith]

yea

i also completly closed VS and reopened it

[upper vapor]

works for me

[unique crane]

did you save it?

[fresh zenith]

yes

[upper vapor]

have you installed the correct .NET SDK?

[fresh zenith]

when i closed and reopened the file it was still there

[fresh zenith]

wait let me check

[unique crane]

And are you using .NET 4.8.X?

[upper vapor]

dotnet --list-sdks

[upper vapor]

to use C# 13 you need the .NET 9 SDK

[fresh zenith]

i got the runtime. not the SDK tho. let me install it rq

[upper vapor]

yeah that's probably the issue

[fresh zenith]

well microsoft and their SDKs are an Pain....

[upper vapor]

vs installer

[upper vapor]

and their biggest IDE apparently takes care of it..?

[fresh zenith]

vs installer doesn't show me the 9 SDK

[upper vapor]

peak dev experience

um

is this visual studio 2022?

[unique crane]

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/9.0

xd

[upper vapor]

or

whatever

[fresh zenith]

yea 2022 the latest i got

[upper vapor]

not sure if that has full .net 9 support xd

[upper vapor]

just download this

[fresh zenith]

yea on it rn

we all love microsoft due to their smart way of handling stuff

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

Idk I never used VS to download any SDK

[upper vapor]

you just saved yourself a lot of time

[unique crane]

I didnt even know it was possible

[upper vapor]

and headaches

[fresh zenith]

same here thats why i was wondering

and it ||doesn't|| work

[upper vapor]

did you restart VS or your computer

[fresh zenith]

it is installed

VS got restarted

[upper vapor]

that doesn't mean VS recognizes it xd

[fresh zenith]

same problem

[fresh zenith]

this -^

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-cat-grey-cat-cute-cat-gif-2949633679466643461

well

you can try VSC or Rider instead ig
but restart your machine first

[fresh zenith]

tbh before i use Rider or VSC i will completly reinstall VS

[upper vapor]

yeah

[fresh zenith]

and try again.

[upper vapor]

.NET 9 is supported from VS 2022 17.12 and onwards

[fresh zenith]

i won't learn another 2 years how to use rider

[fresh zenith]

i just updated VS today...

[upper vapor]

[fresh zenith]

thats fucking hell....

eatherway thanks for the help even tho it didn't really help lmao

[upper vapor]

at least you learned some microfost bullcrap lmao

[fresh zenith]

yea

[upper vapor]

as a last resort, try restarting the computer

[fresh zenith]

already uninstalling VS in tha background rn

[upper vapor]

-# don't reinstall it

[fresh zenith]

Ngl i rather use paincrosoft Simulator 2022 than Rider or Visual Studio Cook

[upper vapor]

bruh

VSC is fairly decent though with the C# kit or whatever

(and microsoft wants to get everyone to use VSC sooo)

[fresh zenith]

Well tbh i don't HATE vsc but i rather Go through pain

And MAYBE (totally Not) it works after an reinstall

[fresh zenith]

also... yea didn't work eather.... well one last thing exists which i can try. maybe when i create a new project it might work? don't know.

[restive turret]

If you have dotnet installed you can create project with console commands

[fresh zenith]

yea i know but i want to use VS IDE

[restive turret]

I using vs22

[fresh zenith]

same here

[upper pike]

Wants to take the easy way out

[restive turret]

Had no issues

[upper pike]

Real programmers use the console

[fresh zenith]

well the other thing is. my PC is from 2011 tbf lol

[upper pike]

Damn

How does it run SL?

[fresh zenith]

Real programmers use Linux without GUI only shell

[fresh zenith]

uh. NVIDIA Geforce Now

[upper pike]

Oh

[upper pike]

Real programmers dont use an operating system. They just communicate directly with the components

[upper vapor]

real programmers aren't even programmers

[fresh zenith]

Real programmers dont need components they use random sticks and stones they found laying around

[upper pike]

Real programmers dont need stuff. They just calculate everything in their head

They run SL at 240 FPS 4k in their minds

[fresh zenith]

But are bad in the game eatherway because they have aiming issues just like my PC has mental issues.

Bro in a new project it works just fine ;-;

I HATE VS

[upper vapor]

delete the .vs folder

[upper pike]

Delete VS

Download VSC

[restive turret]

Hell no

[icy knoll]

for c#? bruh

rider for c#

vs for absolutely nothing

[restive turret]

Notepad for c#

[upper vapor]

n

for neovim

[restive turret]

write your own ide

[fresh zenith]

vim for c# seems interesting

[restive turret]

tbh i seen some guys do it

[hearty shard]

VSC is fine ?

can work for C#

[fresh zenith]

make your own linux distro dedicated to code C#

[icy knoll]

every time i tried using it, it caused me so much hassle

so

[restive turret]

make your own cpu

[hearty shard]

ik someone who uses it

[icy knoll]

i only use jetbrains products anyway

[upper vapor]

you didn't set up the extensions right?

[upper pike]

VSC isnt on Linux so i have to use Rider

[hearty shard]

vsc requires some extensions for it to work

[icy knoll]

no i installed them all correctly, but nothing was working lol

[restive turret]

i use vsc for text edit if cant do it inside the sublime text

[upper vapor]

when was the last time you did that

[icy knoll]

also no build button, i need that build button grrrr

[icy knoll]

year ago

[upper vapor]

then idk

[upper vapor]

dotnet build

[restive turret]

dotnet shutdown

[icy knoll]

yeah but then i gotta provide some stuff to that, i prefer a build button that does everything for me lol

[upper pike]

Dotnet —uninstall

[upper vapor]

provide what..?

[hearty shard]

me when dotnet build

[hearty shard]

no ?

its just

dotnet build

thats it

[upper vapor]

ye

[restive turret]

me when i run my ,bat script

[hearty shard]

nothing else needed

[upper pike]

.sh is better

[icy knoll]

what happens when you’re using a different what’s it called

[upper vapor]

comma bat

[icy knoll]

like debug or release

[unique crane]

how do i exit

[restive turret]

-c Release

[upper vapor]

-c Release

[unique crane]

Its still running in my Linux VM

and I dont know how to leave it

[icy knoll]

yeah that’s bs for me lol

[upper vapor]

:q!

[unique crane]

Is that an emoji or command

:q

[restive turret]

just turn off your pc

[upper vapor]

command

[unique crane]

XD

[restive turret]

:Q

[hearty shard]

release is default

[upper vapor]

that won't save you 😭

[upper pike]

I think its faster typing that than having to press that tiny arrow next to the build button

[hearty shard]

iirc

[unique crane]

Literally

I restarted my pc and my vm 5000000 times

I even uninstalled it

and made new

[upper vapor]

Ctrl+Shift+Q in my case

[unique crane]

It installed itself BACK

[restive turret]

me when Ctrl B

[icy knoll]

no, i find clicking 2 very easy to click buttons faster

[unique crane]

and launched neovim again

[upper pike]

To switch to a release build

[fresh zenith]

Damn we got a problem here. AI will kill us all

[restive turret]

wdym I always build as release

no need for debug

all my code is supposed to work

[unique crane]

Me when linear equation counts as AI

[upper vapor]

release for QA

[icy knoll]

oh yeah and in rider, there is a dedicated nuget window, in vsc, you have to copy and paste a command into the console

[upper vapor]

(playerbase)

[icy knoll]

grrrr

[upper pike]

I always thought debug built faster or smth

[fresh zenith]

"supposed"

[upper pike]

And easier to clean up. Idk

[restive turret]

VS has that too

[upper vapor]

cuz there aren't optimizations

[icy knoll]

i know, but they’re talking about VSC

[upper pike]

Exactly

[icy knoll]

not VS

[restive turret]

vsc is a text editor

[upper pike]

I dont need those optimisations when im just testing something for myself

When i post it , ill use release build

[upper vapor]

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/csharp/package-management

[restive turret]

i only use debug and release in C++ project

[upper vapor]

but then you need glasses cuz you can't see sharp

[unique crane]

[restive turret]

i have glasses i can see sharp

they are dirty tho

[upper vapor]

water

[icy knoll]

vsc is a text editor if it doesn’t have extensions bruh

[hearty shard]

which was the point of it?

[upper vapor]

that's why you have extensions

[unique crane]

I only use VSCode for like

html, css and stuff

which is quite unvoluntary anyways

[icy knoll]

i like editors that work with what i want out of the box, that’s why i use jetbrains products lol

[restive turret]

i only use it to explore more files

and replace stuff inside as batch

[icy knoll]

i use webstorm for that, also free

[restive turret]

yknow what else also free

[upper vapor]

fair

[unique crane]

We did AI in python for like last 2 months

and like bruh what the heeeel

6GBs of packages?

[upper pike]

Python moment

[restive turret]

better than node

[unique crane]

True

[upper vapor]

built-in JS intellisense:

[upper vapor]

when you realize that pip is case-sensitive

[restive turret]

vsc also good for json simplify or minify

[icy knoll]

this is why typescript is so popular now, because to get intellisense, classes need to be used which isn’t common in js lol

[unique crane]

Me after 2 days of figuring out how to train AI on GPU

(you have to install very specific package of specific version for your specific CUDA version for your OS)

[upper vapor]

well that requires a build step which is unnecessary in some cases
but i find it ridiculous that there's absolutely 0 intellisense if it doesn't know the type of something

[unique crane]

Yeah like

[upper vapor]

[unique crane]

I had to search for JS functions online

cuz no intellisense

[restive turret]

me when i use natirual stupidity VS AI

[upper vapor]

epic rap battles of history

[unique crane]

I mean like training 1 epoch for 2,5 mins vs 20 secs

[restive turret]

1 epoch?

[upper vapor]

epoch

[unique crane]

Neural network

[restive turret]

like unix time unit?

[unique crane]

training

[upper vapor]

Each time a dataset passes through an algorithm, it is said to have completed an epoch. Therefore, Epoch, in machine learning, refers to the one entire passing of training data through the algorithm.

hmm

[unique crane]

Its pretty cool tho

it can detect holes in a paper target

It can cook

And the only reason to use python is for AI

Or automatic manual tasks

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-agreed-rock-sus-agreed-gif-23818297

[unique crane]

Cuz its easier than bash tbh

[restive turret]

or build a game

[unique crane]

Mods? ok

Eh rather Lua

[upper vapor]

x3rt has entered the facility chat

[stuck peak]

except it requires people to install python

I would take a bash/shell script over a python one any day

[unique crane]

Hmmm true

[restive turret]

i use batch script mostly but sometimes where i need to read file content it is easier in python

for example removing comments from the files

[upper vapor]

me when the default encoding us windowows-23425gvrf4322344

[unique crane]

welp

[stuck peak]

sed?

[unique crane]

back to Unity

[restive turret]

what

[stuck peak]

sed

[restive turret]

i use win not linux

[restive turret]

back to implementing stuff into labapi

[unique crane]

Well yea

[stuck peak]

oh I misread this as bash

[restive turret]

lel

i mean i have wsl

(probably?)

[stuck peak]

git bash would work better in this case

[upper vapor]

wide subsystem for linux

[restive turret]

ye i have that

[fresh zenith]

also i forgot to tell you that but this worked lol. IT MAKES NO SENSE BUT IDFC

[upper vapor]

[hearty shard]

vs cache breaking moment

[fresh zenith]

yea.

i could kick the balls frrom the microsoft employee who made this crap SO HARD rn

and yet again it doesn't work. ngl i'm switching to notepad at this point

[fresh zenith]

Also uh anyone got information about a LabApi füll Release integrated to the Game? I really wanna use it for my productive Server but. No User will Install the Beta Just to Join.

[harsh thorn]

the labapi will be "mainstream" when 14.1 releases

[fresh zenith]

Oh didn't think it would happen THAT fast tbh but i'm happy

[carmine prawn]

14.1 When

[hearty shard]

~1 month probably

[loud schooner]

hi guys, is there a position where you need to check servers according to VSR rules?

[mild ice]

Within Northwood? Yes, that's one of the tasks Safety and Compliance Specialists Handle

[fresh zenith]

does this mean 1507 is still in the game lol

[mild ice]

Holiday features are disabled, but yes they do technically exist

[fresh zenith]

oh thats interesting

[harsh thorn]

This is an internal position though

[fresh zenith]

hey uh. how do i add an effect? anyone got a small advise?

[hearty shard]

EnableEffect<Scp207>(1)

[fresh zenith]

Oh thanks

And how do i get the strengh of an already used effect? (like you already have 1 cola drunken and now want to stack the next cola on top) or does the effect strengh automaticly stack?

[hearty shard]

GetEffect

[hearty shard]

if you want to stack it you need to do that urself

[hearty shard]

GetEffect<Scp207>.Intensity++;

should do the job

[fresh zenith]

k

[tulip kiln]

Got disconnected today when LabAPI tried to print out a nullref error

[2025-04-19 23:17:27.137 +02:00] [STDOUT] Disconnecting connId=2 to prevent exploits from an Exception in MessageHandler: NullReferenceException Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.138 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at LabApi.Events.EventManager.FormatErrorMessage (System.Delegate eventHandler, System.Exception exception) [0x00043] in <55a16b597ad7463da126996d837dfaa8>:0
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.138 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at LabApi.Events.EventManager.InvokeEvent[TEventArgs] (LabApi.Events.LabEventHandler`1[TEventArgs] eventHandler, TEventArgs args) [0x00028] in <55a16b597ad7463da126996d837dfaa8>:0
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.138 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at LabApi.Events.Handlers.PlayerEvents.OnChangedItem (LabApi.Events.Arguments.PlayerEvents.PlayerChangedItemEventArgs ev) [0x00000] in <55a16b597ad7463da126996d837dfaa8>:0
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.138 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Inventory.ServerSelectItem (System.UInt16 itemSerial) [0x00114] in <4962faac86aa41cdb937a94469cc30c4>:0
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.138 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Inventory.UserCode_CmdSelectItem__UInt16 (System.UInt16 itemSerial) [0x00014] in <4962faac86aa41cdb937a94469cc30c4>:0
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.139 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at InventorySystem.Inventory.InvokeUserCode_CmdSelectItem__UInt16 (Mirror.NetworkBehaviour obj, Mirror.NetworkReader reader, Mirror.NetworkConnectionToClient senderConnection) [0x00022] in <4962faac86aa41cdb937a94469cc30c4>:0
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.139 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at Mirror.RemoteCalls.RemoteProcedureCalls.Invoke (System.UInt16 functionHash, Mirror.RemoteCalls.RemoteCallType remoteCallType, Mirror.NetworkReader reader, Mirror.NetworkBehaviour component, Mirror.NetworkConnectionToClient senderConnection) [0x00019] in <8b9df2430f094ce4be93093eb23b1eed>:0
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.139 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at Mirror.NetworkIdentity.HandleRemoteCall (System.Byte componentIndex, System.UInt16 functionHash, Mirror.RemoteCalls.RemoteCallType remoteCallType, Mirror.NetworkReader reader, Mirror.NetworkConnectionToClient senderConnection) [0x00065] in <8b9df2430f094ce4be93093eb23b1eed>:0
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.139 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at Mirror.NetworkServer.OnCommandMessage (Mirror.NetworkConnectionToClient conn, Mirror.CommandMessage msg, System.Int32 channelId) [0x00085] in <8b9df2430f094ce4be93093eb23b1eed>:0
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.139 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at (wrapper delegate-invoke) System.Action`3[Mirror.NetworkConnectionToClient,Mirror.CommandMessage,System.Int32].invoke_void_T1_T2_T3(Mirror.NetworkConnectionToClient,Mirror.CommandMessage,int)
[2025-04-19 23:17:27.139 +02:00] [STDOUT]   at Mirror.NetworkMessages+<>c__DisplayClass8_0`2[T,C].<WrapHandler>b__0 (Mirror.NetworkConnection conn, Mirror.NetworkReader reader, System.Int32 channelId) [0x0007a] in <8b9df2430f094ce4be93093eb23b1eed>:0

(To recreate this, try to use any property of NewItem in PlayerChangedItemEventArgs when the item is null)

[hearty shard]

just dont logger.error

its fixed next release but rn it causes null ref in events

oh

[tulip kiln]

That was LabAPI doing it though

as I tried to use a null object

[hearty shard]

damn

wait you cant use it at all ?

even with null check ?

[tulip kiln]

null check fixes it obviously

but errors shouldnt kick players

[hearty shard]

yeahh

its fixed next release

but

they made it break in events

[tulip kiln]

tbf if it hasn't happened, I would probably postpone fixing the bug

So it kinda helped

[unique crane]

Yeahhhh fixed in next update

Dont throw errors in static event delegates

[hearty shard]

david why would you break this 💔

[unique crane]

I didnt write that in a first place

[tulip kiln]

Doesn't look static 😭

[hearty shard]

damn

[hearty shard]

the event is

[tulip kiln]

ah

[unique crane]

Eeeeh Ill check it one more time just to be sure

tomorrow

[lucid canyon]

it is... minimap paint

[upper pike]

What’s the performance impact of that

[upper vapor]

not very high i assume

[fresh zenith]

Hey uh anyone knows how i get the player object who used an command from the sender arg?

[unique crane]

(sender as PlayerCommandSender).Hub

Not sure about the property name for the player command sender

but you cast it to this

[fresh zenith]

K thanks

[unique crane]

Or there should be extension method or something like that?

Sec

Aha

@fresh zenith

Player.Get(sender)

There is overload for it

[fresh zenith]

Oh thanks that helps

[worthy rune]

you might want to use the TryGet version or check for null since the sender might not be a player e.g. a command run from the server console

[fresh zenith]

Well for that i just defy the Client console as only way to use the command

Also the command may Look weird due to me being new in LabApi coding

So don't expect performant code

[worthy rune]

its always about your intent, its just a best practice to always catch and respond with unlikely but possible problems

[unique crane]

Never. Trust. End. User.

They are dumb and will put in wrong arguments

[worthy rune]

i doubt that will be a problem lol

[fresh zenith]

I made an if statement to stop every arg the User trys to input

Also. Yes now it works :) i'm so happy rn

[fresh zenith]

small question why does the remoteadminconsole make the rich text attributes like <align=left> dissappear? (i know it makes them invisible but is there a way to change that?)

[unique crane]

There is RT button on the right

NExt to Send

[fresh zenith]

oh true forgot about that----- yea like i said my brain is just not braining 90% of the time lol#

[upper pike]

Is there anyway for a plugin to specifically tag a player without affecting other plugins. I’ve noticed a field for players like player.tags or smth but im not sure what would happen if i tried to use it

Rn my alternative is creating a public list and just adding and removing players from that list as needed

[unique crane]

Well... make your list/hashset of tagged people?

[carmine prawn]

this should be the best method

[unique crane]

Or you got the data store thingy

[upper pike]

I was just thinking if there was a better way because what exactly is that ‘string Player.Tag’ thing anyway

[icy knoll]

is there not documentation?

[worthy rune]

i dont think there is a Tag property on player?

[icy knoll]

there isnt

i just looked

[unique crane]

You sure you looking at LabAPI?

[upper pike]

Im not on my machine rn, but ill check when i get home

Also so is just adding a player to a temporary list for all of a single millisecond before the next event triggers really the most efficient way of doing this?

[worthy rune]

nothing wrong with doing it like that, if you really want to you could look into writing the code without having to use multiple events to get what you want done

[upper pike]

Dont think that’s possible in my case though since ill need a delay anyway

[unique crane]

From what I see... your trying to do cuffed enemy escape for MTF/Chaos

You can do that using OnPlayerEscaping (or something like that) event

There is custom escape scenario

[icy knoll]

yeah

just set the new role to be smth different lol

or, because it won’t happen, you can just set the role

[upper pike]

Yea that is what im doing. The idea is i want civilians to get extra items for escaping, but not militants. This is more of a bandaid solution since OnPlayerRoleChange.oldRole still returns the wrong value
Though im using the same idea for a complete different part of the code which i haven’t committed to the repo yet

[icy knoll]

if using escaping, use Player.Role instead of OldRole or whatever

[upper pike]

Im using PlayerChangeRole since im manually setting the militant’s role

[fresh zenith]

i know this is an really stupid question but my brain isn't braining rn so i ask LabApi-Pedia:

For what is the "base.OnPlayerEscaping(ev);" important? like for what use case should i use it?

[hearty shard]

not needed

[fresh zenith]

so its just something VS automaticly adds without any need=?

[upper vapor]

base would be required if you want the superclass' method to execute
in this case, CustomEventsHandler has an empty method body for everything so you can delete the base call

[hearty shard]

^^

[fresh zenith]

well thanks for the fast response

now i'm a lot smarter tbh means i can remove it and don't need to wonder why i would ever need it

[upper vapor]

i wonder what clarifies for the "framework" label in #1336031121699377213
does it have to be an "entire" plugin framework?

at david

[fresh zenith]

yea i think it means smth like exiled

[unique crane]

0 clue xd

I didnt make these tags

[upper vapor]

at beryl then

[unique crane]

But I would assume something at scale of hint combinator

etc

[upper vapor]

then what scale would library be

[unique crane]

Wouldnt that be library uhhh

[upper vapor]

so

framework = library squared

[unique crane]

Well

Library is still used within labapi

Framework would have seperate classes

Seperate to labapi

so that tag is as of now

For Exiled xd

[upper vapor]

and SecretAPI

[unique crane]

Perhaps

Isnt that just labapi extension?

[hearty shard]

idk if it counts as a framework

[unique crane]

I would put that under library

Honestly I dont know...

[upper vapor]

sob

[unique crane]

Does it really matter after all?

I dont think so

[upper vapor]

not that much tbh
except i like to overthink

[unique crane]

Thats fineee

[upper vapor]

there's no "think"
either don't think or overthink

[unique crane]

what would you put in Tools tho

[upper vapor]

source generators ig

if we had any

[hearty shard]

[unique crane]

mmmmm

[restive turret]

Generate these

[fresh zenith]

hey uh what roles specify "Team.OtherAlive"?

like which role from an player would it be?

smth like custom roles or tutorial?

[worthy rune]

probably tutorial

[fresh zenith]

thx

also does the Player.DisarmedBy Property give me the name of the player who disarmed the player? (probably yes but my brain isn't awake if so.)

[worthy rune]

i think it returns a player object not the name

[restive turret]

Ye it either null or the disarmer player

[unique crane]

^

[fresh zenith]

also how do i add comments to an config?

[upper vapor]

Use the Description attribute (from System.ComponentModel)

[fresh zenith]

thanks

[carmine prawn]

I want to delve into primitive. What are the characteristics of MER and SLOC?

[fresh zenith]

Is there anything i can call to get the current roundtime?

Or any property?,

Nvm found it

[fresh zenith]

Is there a way to reload the Plugin? So that the config gets reloaded?

[upper vapor]

currently you have to restart the server
or write a command to reload your configs

[upper vapor]

MER is more feature-rich, there also exists BMOD for it if you wanna work with blender
sloc is a bit more scarce in features but that also means less things to learn
finally there's MapForge if you find asset bundles easier

[fresh zenith]

Do you have an example for that?

[upper vapor]

unfortunately no

[fresh zenith]

Well thanks tho. Will be looking into it

[upper vapor]

just create a static property for your plugin instance and access that

then call LoadConfig

[restive turret]

sr in server console

[upper vapor]

sudo sr

[carmine prawn]

thanks, I am trying MER

[upper vapor]

Michal is calling...

[carmine prawn]

Scale is already enough to confuse me

maybe my unity edit skill

💀

when there are multiple parent-child objects, I seem to be unable to directly change the size of the entire structure

It changed, but it went back to 1 1 1 when I exported it

F6

Hmm, this is a bit hard to explain

[upper vapor]

sloc avoids this by retaining the object structure and hacking mirror

ctrl

for snap to grid

well

not to part to my knowledge

actually

hold ctrl+shift and that might position the object's pivot on the surface of another

[carmine prawn]

eager to use SLMEOCR

[fresh zenith]

hey uh how can i check if a keycard is allowed to open a certain door?

[restive turret]

just spawn by hand

[restive turret]

Door.permission?

[fresh zenith]

well yea but how do i get the permission from the keycard?

from the item

[restive turret]

Same? kcitem.Permission

Or KeycardPermission

Maybe you need to access the base too

[fresh zenith]

well the item.permission doesn't exist

[restive turret]

What's the item type

[fresh zenith]

well don't kill me for my code

[hearty shard]

if (item is KeycardItem keycard)

also use ev.Door.HasFlag

no ==

will not work unless it ONLY has 1 permission

[restive turret]

keycard.Base.Permission

[upper vapor]

Use HasFlagFast if it exists

[hearty shard]

i dont think it does but idk

[marsh minnow]

Try BMOD curently it lacks teleport and animation which you probably as a beginner won't use

Also it has faster compiling time

[carmine prawn]

I've used https://github.com/MujisongPlay/AdvancedMERtools/

[fresh zenith]

question is there an event that gets triggered before the door checks if the player has the keycard in the hand? because i made an "wireless keycard" plugin (i know it will be useless ones 14.1 comes out but still i HATE testing without wireless keycards) and the door says it didn't work and plays the sound but after about 0.5 sec it says OK and plays the other sound. that is anoying

anyone got an idea how to fix that?

[restive turret]

IsAllow = true?

[fresh zenith]

rn my code looks like that

[fresh zenith]

that exists? lol

[thin shuttle]

i do thinks it's exist in NWAPI yeah

[fresh zenith]

nah IsAllow doesn't exist

[thin shuttle]

but not sure i never used NWAPI always used Exiled

[fresh zenith]

well sadly not in LabApi tho

[restive turret]

that LabAPI

[fresh zenith]

yea ik

[hearty shard]

missign feature then

[thin shuttle]

IsDenied ?

[hearty shard]

create github issue

oh

lol

[restive turret]

ev.IsAllowed

your IDE does not help you

are you sure you not writing it inside a notepad?

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/blob/master/LabApi/Events/Arguments/PlayerEvents/PlayerInteractingDoorEventArgs.cs

[fresh zenith]

well i tryed

[restive turret]

also ev.CanOpen = true

you bild af

[fresh zenith]

yea if my brain doesn't exist my IDE can't exist

[restive turret]

read the argument bruh

[fresh zenith]

i'm sorry man.

[restive turret]

no worries just like

search stuff

[fresh zenith]

will do next time (if i don't forget lmao)

[plush crypt]

He will forget

[fresh zenith]

i infact did not forget

[carmine prawn]

💀

Primitive has too many problems

self-glowing primitives display different effects in different areas when alpha = 1

when alpha < 1, primitives are once again obscured by the skybox (img from MER dc)

[carmine prawn]

the workaround for this is to create a slightly smaller alpha = 1 primitive inside the emissive primitive

but, the network sync optimization for primitives seems not very good for dynamic transform objects

it will put some pressure on the server

[fresh zenith]

is there a way to play songs/sounds via the LabApi?

[restive turret]

I think there are some sound toy?

[fresh zenith]

well tbf i looked if i could find any file that comes close to that but i didn't find anything

[fresh zenith]

if anyone has an idea how to add that i would appreciate it

[icy knoll]

speakertoy

you can use https://github.com/Killers0992/AudioPlayerApi also

[fresh zenith]

thanks

[fresh zenith]

small question. if the player has eaten an SCP330 candy how do i get the type of the candy? if i use ItemType. it doesn't show me the veriants of the candy

i might have found smth. testing rq

[unique crane]

The event has candy type argument

[fresh zenith]

Did you maybe got an example?

[tulip kiln]

Getting the candy seems quite complicated if you've never done it, since Candies are not items in the traditional sense.

If using the PlayerUsedItemEvent, you should do the following:

1. Cast ev.Item.Base to Scp330Bag and store it. (If you're sure it is a candy being used)
2. Get your desired CandyKindID by doing bag.Candies[bag.SelectedCandyId] (where bag is your stored Scp330Bag instance)

[restive turret]

he wants something like>
PlayerUsed330Event

[fresh zenith]

that helps a lot.

and yea. it really is quite complicated but also simple if i look at it now

thx a lot

[unique crane]

Oh I can't read nvm

[icy knoll]

if(ev.Item.Base is Scp330Bag bag) bag.Candies[bag.SelectedCandyId];

[fresh zenith]

this gives me the next candy from the bag. yes it works but i still need to figure out how i get the used candy. not the next from the used candy.

might got the solution tho hold on a minute

[hearty shard]

EatenCandy event exists no?

Or eaten330

Idk

[fresh zenith]

i think no

no "eaten" doesn't exist nor does consumed for candys

[hearty shard]

@unique crane make event!!

[fresh zenith]

weird only "Used" item gets triggered not "using" item. it would make sense if the player is using the item "Scp330" bag

[hearty shard]

also hi david

[unique crane]

Haiii

[fresh zenith]

rn code looks like this. the first event doesn't get triggered which is weird imo due to the player interacting with an item but well idk. the second event gives me the candy from the position where the old one was located.

[unique crane]

It is possible it hasn't been added to the candy item

I can look at it today

[fresh zenith]

thanks. will be working on smth else in the meantime. (atleast now i got confirmation its not 100% my brains fault it doesn't work lol. Doesn't mean that my brain isn't also the reason why it doesn't work tho lol)

[hearty shard]

why do you do this btw

[main zenith]

Is there a way to spawn primitiveobject only for one specific client and to attach that primitiveobject to arms view model?

[worthy rune]

you can spawn for a specific client but you cant attach anything to the viewmodel

[upper pike]

Ig its faster than typing ev.Player every single time?

[fresh zenith]

well it helps me to look better into the code and not to use everytime i need the player: "ev.Player.[stuff]" it gives me the feeling that the code looks cleaner.

[fresh zenith]

and also looks clean

[upper pike]

Yea

[upper pike]

Doesn't the first event have to return true because its a -ing function

Like it can be cancelled

[fresh zenith]

Someone killed my PC due to me using: "Item item = ev.item;" lol

[upper pike]

Or is that not how LabAPI works

[fresh zenith]

There is an Event which gets triggered when it cancels

[main zenith]

Damn also i wonder is there a way to spawn particles or HUD effect idk how it works and what is it exactly the effect of the SCP-049 doctor call or scp-1344 particles on players heads

[worthy rune]

i think thats a nwapi thing

labapi events do not have a return

[fresh zenith]

Yea.

They use another event for that

[upper pike]

So how do you cancel something

[fresh zenith]

There is an Event which gets triggered

[worthy rune]

not aware of anything like that

[hearty shard]

ev.IsAllowed = false;

[upper pike]

Oh

[hearty shard]

no return true or false here because its made properly

[worthy rune]

oh 049 is the cardiac arrest effect?

[fresh zenith]

I think he means like 1344 to See players behind an wall or stuff

[worthy rune]

yeah

[upper pike]

Damn

[worthy rune]

player effects, like you would see in the RA you can enable in plugins

[fresh zenith]

Bro killed NWapi in one sentence

[main zenith]

Damn

[restive turret]

damn

[restive turret]

david are you ignoring the nullables?

[limpid fjord]

mini map...

[fresh zenith]

mini map?

[fresh zenith]

also is there smth new to that message? or still the same?

[opaque pawn]

Btw will plugins break after LabAPI release?

[hearty shard]

yes

?

[opaque pawn]

Sad

[hearty shard]

All references to the api will be gone

[opaque pawn]

What about patches to non API references?

[hearty shard]

Thats why you have time right now to update Pluigns

[hearty shard]

all plugins need to load

which uses the pluginapi

(or ig exiled if thats what ur using on plugins)

[unique crane]

Cant guarantee they will work since some parts of the game has been rewritten

Or slightly edited

[limpid fjord]

I NEED 14.1 DEDICATED SERVER FILE

[languid temple]

Once 14.1 enters it's public beta phase (if there even will be, we don't know) probably everyone will be able to host a server but until then only official servers receive the build

[limpid fjord]

I'm interested in the internal logic of version 14.1

about snake game

for minimap

#content-creator-videos message

[restive turret]

Just wait for a few days

[loud schooner]

Hi chat

[fresh zenith]

Hello

[cold walrus]

I've opened a server, but I don't know what to install to be able to modify the map.

[upper vapor]

Your options are MER, sloc and MapForge

[lethal cradle]

MER is goated

[hearty shard]

me when 106 breathing is in root namespace

[restive turret]

womp womp

[upper vapor]

Add -> C# Script
Moment

Stupid unity

[unique crane]

Thats not the only one

[hearty shard]

yeah

pls fix

[unique crane]

no

[hearty shard]

💔 ?!?

[cold walrus]

I need LabApi 0.5.0 for MER, and I can’t find it

[hearty shard]

ProjectMER

instead of MapEditorReborn now

[restive turret]

It will break million of system

[hearty shard]

thats fine

[cold walrus]

only works with exiled version 9.0.1

[hearty shard]

no ?

ProjectMER is labapi

MER works on latest exiled

[icy knoll]

use the non exiled version then

[restive turret]

https://github.com/Michal78900/ProjectMER

[lethal cradle]

this is the point at which everything blows up

@harsh thorn Is lab-api support included by default in the early-server-build?

[harsh thorn]

yes

14.1 removes the nwapi and adds the labapi

[lethal cradle]

fab, which means at some point labapi will be the default on the main branch?

[harsh thorn]

when 14.1 becomes live on the main branch the labapi will be on the main branch yes

[lethal cradle]

god bless labapi

[sinful bronze]

yippe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1186060191364563055/1335584954486095983/RDT_20250202_1317235711350854221712086.gif

[hearty shard]

so many things i wish was in labapi

like the player.Scale we were promised

💔

or the firearm wrapper

💔

[lethal cradle]

we've been cheated

[hearty shard]

cheater cheater

ig ill write player.GetScale() temporarily

[dull basin]

Hello Everyone

Can the Lab API control how many sergeants the nine-tailed fox refreshes at a time?

[hearty shard]

gotta love

[lethal cradle]

vs code > rider

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

[lethal cradle]

yuh huh

[hearty shard]

ur mean

[lethal cradle]

fight me

[icy knoll]

me when text editor over ide

[lethal cradle]

rider is a glorified notepad

[icy knoll]

vsc*

rider actually has everything ootb

vsc is just notepad with extensions

[unique crane]

Yes!

It can

Or if you want, you can select them manually during WaveSpawning event

[lethal cradle]

rider is fancy bloatware

[icy knoll]

vsc is legit bloat

[lethal cradle]

at least vsc doesn't eat ram like crazy 😭

[icy knoll]

sure, but dont say rider is bloat when vsc is legit built on bloat

[mild ice]

Fighting words

[dull basin]

OK,Thank you

[lethal cradle]

still runs smoother!!

[icy knoll]

vsc has always ran like shit for me

[mild ice]

Not on my PC lol

[lethal cradle]

skill issue

[icy knoll]

bro is pulling random cards from the deck now

legit glazing a text editor and calling rider stuff it just isn't 😭

[lethal cradle]

vscode is easier and more lightweight, ez win no diff

[icy knoll]

vscode is easier? in what way?

i find rider easier 100000x

lol

everything works ootb

and tbh i dont care about lightweight at all

[dull basin]

I'm still using VS2022

[icy knoll]

i dont need to care about performance of an IDE, but VSC is shocking

it's a pain in the ass for me to setup every time i reinstall my pc

whereas rider/webstorm works ootb

i legit made my work pay for a webstorm license for everyone because everyone was getting stuck on installing the right extensions for vsc, whereas everything worked in webstorm ootb

jetbrains just know what to do

microsoft should stick to making ts and c#, not text editors

[lethal cradle]

vscode is 100% better for coding across multiple languages

[icy knoll]

sure, but if jetbrains does an ide for what i want, im using that

because it has the best support out of anything

[rugged laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-rage-scream-on-fire-flame-gif-11792220

[fresh zenith]

I Like this guy

[fresh zenith]

And also the best pricing for stuff that is normaly free lol

[icy knoll]

the most used jetbrains products are free

yk

[lethal cradle]

bro needs different apps just to switch languages

[icy knoll]

atleast it keeps my projects in check

[fresh zenith]

And needs Like 2 extra SSD's lol

[icy knoll]

nah i got a 2TB ssd

im all good

[fresh zenith]

Yet-

[restive turret]

Fr use notepad and cmd

[fresh zenith]

Use vim

[restive turret]

No

[rugged laurel]

Ew

What are yall 50 years old

[icy knoll]

exactly

jesus

[fresh zenith]

Being old means being smart.

[icy knoll]

no it does not 💀

[lethal cradle]

it's called standards 😎

[icy knoll]

the most dumbest people in the world are the oldest to me

atleast, that's what ive noticed

ive seen some really clever oldies tho which did some really clever stuff

in other words, not all old people are dumb

[fresh zenith]

Child of the young you never experienced the First Komodore that existed so you shouldn't Talk that rash about things you May never see nor know ever again

[icy knoll]

what?

[fresh zenith]

In short terms: don't speak Bad about every old person out there

We saw many things that you won't

[carmine prawn]

finally 14.1 came with LabAPI

I can send that picture

[lethal cradle]

peak

[fresh zenith]

So uh. Is there any Update for this?

[restive turret]

I havent dumped the thing yet

Also

If I make a custom Wave, does the client will show the type and things for it?

(probably nope since it is server only but worth a shot checking it)

[unique crane]

You sent it like 50 times already

😭

[carmine prawn]

not the last

btw, what about NWAPI channel?

[lethal cradle]

lost media

[carmine prawn]

it will be read only

[queen parrot]

Hi, I have a question: Is there any way to use 14.1 custom key cards in code?

[hearty shard]

yes

[unique crane]

Yes. I added methods to give you the custom keycards with all possible parameters

Which then returns the Keycard item reference

[unique crane]

oh thats not merged in yet bruh

[frank flicker]

gaming

[royal mica]

40 commits
oh boy i love to resolve

[crimson saddle]

[wispy dirge]

has the hcz checkpoint bug been fixed yet?

[carmine prawn]

new toys?

[wispy dirge]

custom maps boutta be awesome

[unique crane]

Yes

You can spawn InteractibleToy (E click / hold)

079 camera

And Capybara :D

[inner citrus]

I love spawning RoomReaderWriters

[ornate smelt]

Well now I don’t need to run raycasts through server specific settings keybindings.

[carmine prawn]

can't wait to turn all players into capybara

[unique crane]

That was my idea too ngl

Like instead of flamingos

you get capybaras

[ornate smelt]

“The Cabybara server” Everyone is a cabybara.

[unique crane]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-in-line-viralhog-parading-in-the-street-capybara-gif-445345316921527116

Gate B

[restive turret]

And now most of the PR must be checked again to make it work

:sob

[carmine prawn]

Player => Attacker
Target => Player

[unique crane]

?

[minor shard]

how get build tool

[carmine prawn]

it changed on hurt events

[unique crane]

Oh well...

Sorry

[restive turret]

Well, yeh