keen estuary
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The Popper is undrivable, i've spent a few laps trying to drive it with different approaches but oh my god this car is horrible, its extremely prone to oversteering and spinning out. But the WORST part about this car is the suspension, its bad, the car randomly bounces off after bumps and or jumps leading to a loss of control. It needs a softer suspension that bounces less to be competitive, and a lower center of mass.
proven narwhal
We will see what we can do to make it more neutral. We had an understeering version of it that was just hard to drive quickly. But the worse part is the bounce on harsh landings. This is an area we're generally still figuring out design-wise, because the cars don't all agree with our track design atm. It handles regular bumps and small jumps, but for example Sandpit before last corner is brutal as well as the canyon jump.
Making it softer alone wouldn't help, it hits its bump stops and deflects tires which guarantees a very harsh rebound. Increasing its ride height and damping would help, but that would affect its handling which finally holds together for a reasonably quick lap if you know how to drive it. Center of mass is already quite low, can't go too low or physics get weird overall.
pliant cairn
We will see what we can do to make it more neutral. We had an understeering vers...
btw while we are on the topic of this sort of stuff this corner here after jump before the 2nd hairpin causes the cardinal to bounce willdly
i've flipped at least maybe 10-25% of the time
going straight
keen estuary
We will see what we can do to make it more neutral. We had an understeering vers...
What about downforce?
keen estuary
Wouldnt extra downforce make it more stable?
proven narwhal
A lot that can be done to tune balance without touching downforce which we'd like to leave to actual downforce cars or upgrade parts in the future.
viral spire
I feel like people might hate this but after driving the popper for an hour or so, it feels very nice to drive.. this isn't a joke or a ragebait. I feel like the way it drives is perfect for learning a different car, it does take a decent amount of skill to use but once you get it my god is it fun to drive.
I did drive it before in the update #3 and yeah it was almost undrivable but ever since then, its amazing.
If you change it, please don't do too much to it as it's so much fun.
dapper shale
I agree with Tyrone. Before the previous update to say it was undrivable was an understatement. After the update on most tracks its very decent now. About the main issue you'll have is landing the jump on Savo with its recoil on the landing. Finncross main I think it is you'll lose a bit of grip as the car raises up for the little bump through the last corner but its only really i'd say.. a second and a half or two seconds off of the Buggy on that track. Miles better than what it was previously.
proven narwhal
I have also been driving it a lot in internal testing out of principle, dogfooding it so to speak. It is a bit different to the other cars, but once you get used to it it's easy to hold neutral balance through corners, steering wheel straight. It's fundamentally a tricky chassis to balance without resorting to hacks that show up somewhere else, because it's short and narrow.
My biggest gripe with it still is landing some of the jumps such as Savolax like PikaKuu mentioned. Other than that we (or at least I) found that this balance is the fastest version once you get used to it. Probably not everyone's cup of tea atm. but I don't know that any car can be or should be if we make them sufficiently different with their own characteristics. Not that it couldn't be better, but it's not easy to improve its balance without losing its pace which it's still lacking to a degree.
proven narwhal
Though note that we generally model suspension to be less absorb-everything than Wreckfest 1 had. At least for now. Remains to be seen what upgrades or categories can do once we get there. But it can happen that two cars hit their bump stops, but only the other one consistently flies off the track after. I think it's fair if these cars are pointed out.
pliant cairn
but yes tuning would fix a load of these problems
and yeah once you get used to a car they are all fun to drive ignoring crusader sorry amy
viral spire
I have also been driving it a lot in internal testing out of principle, dogfoodi...
In my opinion it is fine for now, if you were to leave it for a few updates and then come back to find a solution towards it's inconsistencies then it wouldn't be the end of the world, it's not the most popular pick but it will be fun to beat noobs in it.
proven narwhal
but yes tuning would fix a load of these problems
You would need to re-tune the suspension completely so depends on the amount of tuning there will be. And if you would have access to damper settings that this kind of challenge requires.
proven narwhal
In my opinion it is fine for now, if you were to leave it for a few updates and ...
Yeah it's fun to use it, get fastest lap in it. But avoid first lap traffic, cause you'll end up thrown into space against the big American boats, lol
pliant cairn
You would need to re-tune the suspension completely so depends on the amount of ...
oops looks like me went over my head lol anway what i was more referring to is things like the gearing being slightly off for some cars that makes some people not like the car, some cars jumping wildly on big jumps some cars not really turning in etc
proven narwhal
Ah yes for the balance tuning would help and gearing is probably always going to be a little off once you get really quick (I wouldn't let the thought distract you unless you're close to the world record at any given track). There are some simple tuning options that could help fine tune cars more to your liking. But jumps and suspension is trickier than that.
pliant cairn
Ah yes for the balance tuning would help and gearing is probably always going to...
rip i'm roughly 2-7% off the world record for all tracks now its stuck inside my head /j
dapper shale
Tuning not being in yet does make it really hard to balance things farther. I can imagine we'll see more cars pull ahead of others and some fall behind again once thats included. For now the Popper is competitive for the most part which is good enough for me.
stiff geyser
Il loved the Killerbee S in WF1, since the Nov 3 update, the Popper feels better, but still not Killerbee efficient level.
I think the Popper is on the edge of feeling as good as the Buggy with a few tweaks.