6bc suggestions and ideas

[vague turtle]

Is it a useful addition to the discussion about the suggestion or is it along the lines of your previous message "cheese crying"?

[real epoch]

or saying "its true"

[distant olive]

i was asking them how it was horrible

[real epoch]

common sense.. common sense

[orchid lion]

They aren’t good. They don’t fit the game at all and are rooted in the idea that imbalance begets interesting difficulty.

[merry lynx]

WOOO WE BROKE 1000 MESSAGES

[plush forge]

Yeah I think overflowing the game with post kill enviromental bombs that lock down an area is not very good, it will cause the game to slow down

[orchid lion]

That

[merry lynx]

i literally said this like 500 messages ago!!

😍

[orchid lion]

Everything would die before the explosion, or it would be a significant annoyance that slows down combat

[orchid lion]

Offtopic levels of recursion

[plush forge]

+having it be alongside a limited time to beat a level is very bad

And the 30 cells to reach the next biome ruins speedrunning

[distant olive]

me killing 6 kamikazes and then being surrounded by Powerful Grenades, Ice Grenades, and every explosive known to man kind:
https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[plush forge]

Yea

The bombs are bad especially because of rng

The timers are very annoying and stressful to deal with

6bc is unnecesary as a whole

Because of lore reasons and true ending etc etc

[real epoch]

????? the game already is full of spamed contents and run fine on my average laptop

[plush forge]

Rng legendary items being cursed sounds also very not cool as legendaries arent really a mandatory thing you find more of a treat

[plush forge]

I meant gameplay wise

Not like

Performance wise

You get a bomb in a bad spot you gotta go back and wait so it doesnt kill you

Or avoid and pick off dangerous situations

[real epoch]

dude how many times did i say we can just move these to 0-5bc

[plush forge]

No we cannot since they are very bad ideas

[real epoch]

exactly i love difficulty

[plush forge]

:/

Thats not difficult

Its annoying

Straight up

[real epoch]

they are awesome and i want every single of them immediately

except 4x cursed enemies, hell no

[plush forge]

Anyways timed biome exits are so bad

[real epoch]

5mins is a perfect ammount and 30cells is easy at 5-6bc

[plush forge]

Why am I forced to speedrun the game? This isn't difficult if I focus on it

[real epoch]

imagine fighting a legendary possesed weapon bro

[plush forge]

But very unengaging

[plush forge]

Yeah would be annoying

[real epoch]

5mins is a perfect ammount, speedrun is 2-3

[inner fossil]

malaise already adds a semblance of a timer to the level already
it doesn’t need another

[plush forge]

That is true

[real epoch]

for pressure for difficulty

[real epoch]

idk didnt try 5bc

[orchid lion]

Can we just get this thread deleted?

[real epoch]

can we remove malaise it sicks

[orchid lion]

No because it doesn’t

[plush forge]

Thats not difficult thats actually bs because you cannot get all the scrolls in a biome

[plush forge]

Agreed

[orchid lion]

Unlike your suggestions, it does not ruin gameplay

[real epoch]

what the fuck is wrong with you?? 😭

do you have any idea how much did it take me

[inner fossil]

really
maybe you should play 5bc before trying to build on it

[plush forge]

I agree with them, it should be deleted

[inner fossil]

because this would all be in addition to malaise

[plush forge]

You seemed to cause a lot of argument

[real epoch]

fair point but i think malaise is really bad and should be replaced

[plush forge]

And nobody is really against it

[inner fossil]

it can be locked

[plush forge]

True

We should lock it

[orchid lion]

Remove it in custom mode

However, literally everyone else is fine with malaise

[real epoch]

cant handle it?

[orchid lion]

It could certainly be improved, but it works perfectly fine

[inner fossil]

malaise is a great and actually engaging system
learn to interact with it

[plush forge]

Cant handle what

Malaise? Malaise is pretty fun

[real epoch]

no no

[orchid lion]

We’re just fed up with your delusions

[real epoch]

arguing

[plush forge]

Yes you shouldn't argue with people

It was quite rude on your end and you caused others to get frustrated

[real epoch]

why did you come back? its like you wanted more 😭

no one have to delete anything, if you dont enjoy it, stay away, no one force you to join the chat 😭

[orchid lion]

Shameless plug for old suggestion: https://discord.com/channels/329403875117236225/1087142533496324207

[plush forge]

An actually good suggestion?

[orchid lion]

I hope so

[inner fossil]

a decent one

[real epoch]

i will do whatever i want its up to them to choose to stop or not

[orchid lion]

I think I added a bit too much detail instead of leaving it at a base concept

[plush forge]

But you shouldn't be rude to people

[orchid lion]

Temporal entertainment

[plush forge]

You need to learn how to take constructive criticism

A lot of people already explained why this isn't a good idea

And you should try to improve

[real epoch]

see? you're the one who enjoy this

[inner fossil]

oh god i just thought of a haunted fireblast

[real epoch]

i love constructive stuff its just none of that was good

[inner fossil]

any ranged thing really

[plush forge]

It was very good

Aspecially bowis'

[real epoch]

there is worst
we need 6bc now!1!

[real epoch]

which one

[plush forge]

Bowis had a great explanation as on why your take was bad

Look it up

[real epoch]

who? who is bowis??

can you reformule it

[orchid lion]

“Look it up” because there are 1.1k messages

[plush forge]

Frostblast throwing axe

[real epoch]

yeah

[inner fossil]

saad, you mean?

[real epoch]

3 hunted bows shooting at you

[plush forge]

But generaly yeah this was a very bad take personaly

In my opinion I mean

[real epoch]

an oven axe on critic mode following you

[plush forge]

You should rethink your post

[real epoch]

an ice shield parrying all your attacks

[plush forge]

This is also a very bad idea

[real epoch]

all ideas?

[plush forge]

Yeah all

Pretty much

One by one

[real epoch]

😭|| ||

[inner fossil]

there’s no search function in here
as soon as it gets to a couple hundred messages it’s gone too far

[plush forge]

Whether put to 6bc or lower bcs

[real epoch]

a toothpick charging on yo ass

[plush forge]

Also a bad idea

[inner fossil]

and you think these are good?

[plush forge]

Legendary weapons being cursed sounds not very good

[real epoch]

WAIT
double hunted claw sycths on you

[plush forge]

And would take ages to code

[real epoch]

im literally dreaming of it so bad rn

[merry lynx]

new biome upgrade suggestion just dropped

[plush forge]

So much effort for something so horribly thought out

[real epoch]

lazy

[real epoch]

its awesome just imagine it bro

[inner fossil]

hey
i have an idea
instead of your possessed weapons idea
look at an enemy that exists in the game already

the mimic
which changes its moveset depending on its item

[real epoch]

no thats shit

[plush forge]

Not Coding over 150 new npcs is lazy?

[real epoch]

imagine yall

[plush forge]

No I think that would suck

Personaly

[real epoch]

the spirits of all the weapons are already ready, same goes for attack ais

just gotta add a walking and following ai

[inner fossil]

it’s not even feasible
it could only be like
one variant per item type
which the mimic does already

[plush forge]

Thats not possible

As the player ai isnt the same as enemy ai

Obviously

Well... Player doesnt even have an ai

[inner fossil]

and the weapon animations are attached to the player model

[plush forge]

Just coding the behaviours to match the weapons and make them remotely fun to play against would take ages

[real epoch]

erase the player's textures for every single weapon hehe

[plush forge]

Not even speaking about balancing them all

Bad idea

[merry lynx]

#1200831398118965338 message

[real epoch]

#1200786647667724359 message

[plush forge]

Not worth it at alpy

All*

[real epoch]

dont advertise your suggestion in mine what the hell??

[inner fossil]

that change wouldn’t be as simple as you think it would be

[merry lynx]

i deserve this

[plush forge]

I would rather have the devs make something more interesting

This is a yet another bad take ngl

Rethink your post

[real epoch]

No you dont , remove that

[merry lynx]

take a course in game design or something

[real epoch]

at least only three weapons for now

[merry lynx]

understand what fair challenge is

understand what makes something actually interesting

[plush forge]

Yeah all of this doesn't seem very fair

[merry lynx]

wait

[plush forge]

And dead cells is a soulslike

[real epoch]

learn to not advertise your content in other people's

[merry lynx]

why am i talking

shit

i cant get caught up int his garbage agian

[plush forge]

Why not?

[real epoch]

i will link my suggestion to every single channel and suggestions here

[inner fossil]

don’t do that

[plush forge]

No that would be spam

[inner fossil]

you’ll get axed for spamming

[plush forge]

Another bad take

[real epoch]

what if i do it three times only in general + his suggestion and another famous channel here

[glad lark]

Adding a bunch of random annoying mechanics isn't really how dead cells does difficulty

[plush forge]

Yeah

[inner fossil]

same intention

[plush forge]

All of this is super annoying

And unfair

Not worth the time

[real epoch]

they arent random, i spent a long time thinking about each of them and how to balance them

[plush forge]

And unnecessary

[plush forge]

I really doubt you took the effort

[glad lark]

I'm sure you did

They still are annoying and unfun

[inner fossil]

mechanically in the game they would feel random

[plush forge]

True

And everybody else tried to improve them

[real epoch]

all cursed, elemental enemies and hunted weapons are gonna be rare a lot

barely 1 or 2 per biome

[plush forge]

But you refused

[plush forge]

We already explained why they are a bad idea

Making them rare wont make them more fun

10 downvotes 0 upvotes so far

Interesting

[real epoch]

dude please leave

[plush forge]

Why

[glad lark]

Enemies dropping bombs, door stun being removed purely just because, elemental enemies seems random and just makes them inflict a dot or whatever, "smart ai" would lead to a lot of unfair situations where you can't dodge, etc etc

[real epoch]

10 isnt a lot at all tho

[plush forge]

It is

[glad lark]

These all are unfun

[real epoch]

smart ai and door stunts removable will force player to focus more

enemies droping and elemental are very rare

[plush forge]

Cow outfit has like 40

You have 1/4th of the cow outfit

[merry lynx]

10 downvotes is a lot when you have 0 upvotes

[inner fossil]

shocked how that one isn’t deleted

[real epoch]

okey and?

[real epoch]

nope

[glad lark]

It's pretty funny

[merry lynx]

its 0 you self upvoted

[plush forge]

That means your take is very bad

[real epoch]

and? a 10 difference is nothing tbh, until 100downvotes im good

[plush forge]

Your other take had the same issue

[plush forge]

No

[merry lynx]

if you say so

[plush forge]

10 is a lot

[real epoch]

this guy here complimenting my takes

[plush forge]

They were horrible yes

Personaly

You should rethink your posts ngl

And maybe learn how to take valid criticism

[real epoch]

@merry lynx @plush forge if none of you is going to give me any other constructive arguments and just keep talking about other unecessary stuff, please leave

[plush forge]

We already gave you all the arguments

So I think that

Your suggestion is bad

Personaly

You should take constructive criticism ngl

[real epoch]

have nothing else to add? good now you can leave

[start of the suggestion for new readers]

[plush forge]

No im fine

[glad lark]

Removing door stun is just random mechanic removal for the sake of it, enemy attack difficulty is already complex enough as is, having a bunch of enemies all requiring you to dodge their attacks at perfect intervals means the other enemies also attacking you are just going to hit you during roll cooldown. The rest is either kinda random or annoying mechanics that I don't think would really make for an interesting 6bc

[plush forge]

We should discuss it more

Removing door stun is very unfun

A bad way to make the game more challenging

And removes quick thinking strategising and variety

Overally very cheap way to make the game harder, you clearly didn't think this trough

Elemental enemies are a flawed concept

As the game doesn't revolved around DoT elements

[real epoch]

door stunts removale wasnt randomly choosen, it offers a great advantage and remove it will definitely make it harder

thats the point, making it neir impossible to avoid enemies, forcing the player to become a master at the game

why are they so random im loving these, they're fun on my opinion

[real epoch]

everything difficult starting from 2bc was unfun

[plush forge]

Not true

[inner fossil]

how so?

[plush forge]

The only difference was more enemies and more powerful

As well as less healing

[real epoch]

"cheap way" a cheap way would be just increasing stats

[plush forge]

Increasing stats is good

[real epoch]

less potions, more enemies health, where is the fun?

[plush forge]

Re arranging a game mechanic is bad

Have you ever played dead cells?

[glad lark]

Making it "near impossible" to avoid enemies makes for cheap difficulty and would just lead to people cheesing with ranged weapons and turrets. Removing door stun is REMOVING GAME MECHANICS, IT'S ANTI FUN

[real epoch]

not always

[real epoch]

No

[plush forge]

In this case very bad

Bad take

Rethink your post

[glad lark]

Just take the L man

[plush forge]

And maybe learn to take valid criticism ngl

[plush forge]

Thats true

[glad lark]

Yeah actually

[plush forge]

Ngl we should just loco down this thread

[inner fossil]

enemies becoming stronger is balanced out by forge progress and higher gear levels
you deal with less potions by managing your health, getting hit less, and eating food

[glad lark]

This guy never takes criticism well mao

[real epoch]

its not making it impossible that make it cheap, its how it's done

i didnt make them attack faster, i made then attack smartly which is a very clean (non cheap) way to make it hard

[plush forge]

I think it might be a bait at this point

[inner fossil]

or dismisses it outright

[plush forge]

Clearly not much thought put into it

[real epoch]

they arent that easy to cheese since people are already having trouble focusing on dodging and running away

[plush forge]

You might lack the idea of fun

Let me introduce you to it

[merry lynx]

ok i will give you the respect you dont deserve and lay out problems with every change

• door stunt removal, why are you removing a fun game mechanic? literally the definition of artificial difficulty removing fun mechanics for the sake of "challenge", thats not good and this will be a theme

• expired consumeables, why? why is it random? when BC levels take away healing its never random why is it here? and why flasks too? just uneccessary

• secret walls, i legitimatley like this but it shouldnt be behind 6bc

• elemental enemies, again, this would just lead to tedious gameplay because elemental effects were designed to be used by the player, if an enemy used them they would just cover way too much screen space and it would be a pain, not to mention that elemental effects themselves are very low opacity and hard to see so just. it would be a mess. dropping elemental weapons and amulets have their own problems too because you would just get items you dont want for your build and amulets arent fleshed out as a mechanic.

• cursed enemies, why?? people complain about glass cannon enemies on endgame 5bc why do you want to artificially make the problem worse. and adding RNG scrolls is always terrible because damage scaling is exponential

• death bombs, same problem as the elemental enemies these items were meant for the player and if you just slap them onto enemies you will get frustrating designs because** the player was meant to fight 120 enemies in a biome and enemies are only meant to fight 1 player.** this is the core reason you can't slap player abilities onto enemies

• why are you adding a time limit to biomes?? everyone complains that time doors are already unreasonable and the game is about exploring and full clearing biomes. also, different biomes have different lengths so you're also killing run variety

• intelligent AI, you're just going to upend the entire game by removing actual patterns. the point of the game is to learn enemy patterns and react

[plush forge]

Bashing into an enemy, dodging their attacks and mauling them is FUN

[real epoch]

they removed the mechanic to recharge flasks and no one said its unfun

removing and advantage can be more challenging in a fun way

[merry lynx]

here you go

[plush forge]

But having to wait for their death bomb to disappear isnt

[plush forge]

Ah valid criticism

[real epoch]

dont except me to read something with an intro like that

[merry lynx]

you better read it

this is what you asked for

[plush forge]

Read it

You wanted it

Plain and simple

As if talking to a toddler

[glad lark]

All Enemies requiring perfect dodges would mean that you would constantly be in situations where you'd be unable to dodge because several different enemies would be attacking you at once since dead cells frequently puts four or more enemies in rooms together. It very much would be bad design and unfun and cheap

[real epoch]

why wait? let say you're going to the right, you kill an enemy and he drop one

instead of walking to where you where gonna go, just roll and run to that direction

[merry lynx]

i couldnt cover every aspect because of the character limit but

[plush forge]

Other enemies?

[merry lynx]

i got most of them down

[plush forge]

Choke points

Enviromental hazards

Traps

Stuns

Etc eyc

[real epoch]

i know but players have acheived to handle a lot of difficult things

im sure they can adapt to this

[plush forge]

I think you should rethink your post

[glad lark]

Removing flask recharge stations is just limiting the amount of healing you get. You still get several ways to restore your health potion. And the game never removes flasks outright

[plush forge]

And learn to take valid criticism

[merry lynx]

why not read the criticism

youve been incredibly close-minded and rude to us during this

[glad lark]

Dude. That's not how it works. There's no adapting in situations like that

[merry lynx]

dont pretend like you're so high and mighty

[plush forge]

Yeah, personaly I think you are a very rude person

[glad lark]

You can't "adapt" to enemies catching you on a roll cooldown

[plush forge]

But thats just me

Righ

[real epoch]

removing doors stunts is just limiting how easily you can stunt enemies.
you still can stunt enemies with other ways

i followed the exact build of your reply

[plush forge]

Removing stuff from the game makes it worse

Sniper tf2 backpack dilemna

[real epoch]

i can

dodging at the last moment, dodging early but parrying, making sure they die quickly

[plush forge]

Great video explaining the concept of variety fun and balance

You should watch it

[merry lynx]

hm

[plush forge]

You should also take valid criticism

[real epoch]

i thought too with every 2-4bc and i did

im sure with enough practice someone will

[glad lark]

You're removing the actual usefulness of doors and removing an entire property from them. You'd also be making edoor completely useless. Doors are barely featured past early game to begin with so removing the mechanic at all just comes off as lazy

[plush forge]

Yes with enough practice someone maybe will

I sure do wonder if having to manouver super carefuly in a fast paced game while also having a bs 5 minute timer wont be an issue

Yeag

[glad lark]

You're not listening. If every enemy requires perfect dodges to dodge their individual attacks, then it becomes impossible to dodge all of them. Please take more than 5 seconds to think about what you are saying

[plush forge]

Lazy post

[merry lynx]

THE TIMER LMAO

I FORGOT ABHOUT THAT

[plush forge]

Im sure you didn't put much effort in it

But thats just me

My opinion

[real epoch]

doors help a lot even in non early biomes, and yeah im removing the actual usefulness of doors just like they removed the actual usefulness of flasks recharge

i adapted and found alternative ways to heal just like we could find alternatives ways to stunt enemies

door are an advantage but not a require one where loosing it make it impossible, proof like you said, many areas dont have doors and we do fine

[plush forge]

You should rethink your post and take valid criticism

Ngl

[inner fossil]

they added it later and it sounded like a joke

[plush forge]

Flask were never fully removed, just made you more considerate of them

Doors are fun however

Do you hate fun?

[real epoch]

if there is an enemy behind someone, instead of rolling behind, i will get far, run or go to a safer location

[glad lark]

Disabling flask recharge stations does not remove your flask. It just limits your healing

[plush forge]

I think you might hate fun but thats just my opinion

Removing some flasks makes the game more interesting actualy

[real epoch]

disabling doors does mot remove stunt effect, it just limits it

[inner fossil]

do that with malaise
you’re kneecapping the flow of combat

[plush forge]

Because now you cannot be wasteful

[dusty river]

Holy shit what
Longest thread record??

[plush forge]

Have you ever played dead cells?

[real epoch]

like i said malaise sucks
id rather have smarter ai than spammy monsters

[plush forge]

Doesn't look like it ngl

[real epoch]

hell yeah im so cool

[plush forge]

Malaise is very smart

[inner fossil]

you can facetank a considerable amount because of health fountains

[glad lark]

Let me stop you right there. This would incentivize just playing it safe constantly with ranged weapons by staying as far from enemies as possible which the devs have already said they don't like incentivizing

[plush forge]

I dont think you have the right to speak up about 6bc if you cannot even beatb5bc

But thats just my opinion

[glad lark]

Oh he hasn't? Lmao

[plush forge]

@real epoch personaly I think you should learn how to take valid criticism

And rethink your post

Ngl

Just an advice

[inner fossil]

your opinion of malaise is a mirror of your own ideas

[real epoch]

@inner fossil let think about it, would you rather have few enemies but ones who actually feel like a non brainless threat

or a lot of dumb enemies that just follow you around and the only threat there is is more spammed attacks everywhere

[plush forge]

They arent dumb because you can make that not happen at all

[glad lark]

https://discord.com/channels/329403875117236225/1177469898352504852https://discord.com/channels/329403875117236225/1178476526275141642

[plush forge]

By managing malaise

[plush forge]

Ah a good suggestion for once

[inner fossil]

malaise gets to the point of chaos only if you allow it

[plush forge]

Yeah

Well

[real epoch]

i told you already ranged weapons arent a solution neither, they will attack and follow you smartly

youd be too focused on dodging and avoiding them rather than shooting stuff

[plush forge]

You are pretty bad at the game I think so

Thats just my opinion but

You may not understand how well malaise works

[real epoch]

smart ai gets to the point of chaos only if you dont focus

[plush forge]

Since you say its bad

[glad lark]

Just shoot them before they get close or use burst damage. It incentivizes turtle gameplay like I said before

[plush forge]

Bad take

Rethink your take

[real epoch]

can people stop advertising in my thread?? 😭

[plush forge]

Nah

[real epoch]

mooner is this even allowed

[glad lark]

It's definitely relevant

[inner fossil]

we’re at 1300
is that even allowed

[real epoch]

just hit them with a melee weapon before they get close

answer is, enemies attacks too fast and good luck getting just behind and shoot

[glad lark]

Guys I think I should make another amulet post what do you think?

[real epoch]

why would it not?

[plush forge]

Here is mine in case anybody wants to check it out, I doubt anybody is even remotely interested in this thread anymore besides op

Who is being very protective

[inner fossil]

if you have more ideas, alright
but you can just consolidate the posts

[glad lark]

Hit them with a melee weapon before they get into melee range? What?

[plush forge]

And egoistic (in my opinion)

https://discord.com/channels/329403875117236225/1200619862322577489

[real epoch]

bring original replies please

[inner fossil]

it’s gone on too long and it’s not being productive

[glad lark]

Limited message space means I can't. I have more amulet ideas

[plush forge]

No

[real epoch]

@vague turtle

@plush forge @glad lark @merry lynx sharing their threads here

[inner fossil]

you could reply and link it in the top post

[real epoch]

[start of the suggestion for new readers]

[plush forge]

Its not an issue is it?

[inner fossil]

can we just lock this thread, please

[plush forge]

Agreed

[merry lynx]

what

oh yeha i did it once as a meme

that was like3 00 messages ago

[real epoch]

No if someone dont want to participate, they can go away

[glad lark]

Didn't work with my speed buff posts

[merry lynx]

this should be locked everything has been said

[plush forge]

True

[real epoch]

you go to prison even for a crime you did years ago

[inner fossil]

it’s an active conversation

[merry lynx]

shit thats real though

shame

[plush forge]

You should be banned for piracy implifications then right?

[real epoch]

what the hell is that answer

if you dont enjoy this
dont speak here

[plush forge]

Or was that not you

[real epoch]

what?

[tacit canyon]

alright this thread has gone on long enough

tried leaving it for some constructive discussion

and giving cheese a chance

but it was all a waste