#Suggestions For Survival Class

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sleek breach
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Survival is fine and just about even with the other two

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it's not limited at all

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how

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actually how

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what in survival isn't viable?

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like

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lmao

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two of them are very good, the other two are flat damage mutations

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that's not how survival works

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I got that

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yes

rancid panther
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the point of survival is that its a lot more mechanically demanding than the other play styles but in return youre really hard to kill

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if you gave it a tool that makes it brutality 2 it becomes boring

blissful wave
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eh

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this is far too general

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the only major issue with survival is that its mutations are generally very defense-focused

sleek breach
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Those people aren't being creative enough, then

blissful wave
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aside from kill rhythm, all the mutations that would increase damage are dogshit

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but 'slow on kill but as a mutation,' the only ACTUAL suggestion here, is ALSO defensive

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so this really doesn't address that problem

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yes

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it debuffs enemies' offense

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being alive helps you attack. by that logic, every defensive mutation is an offensive mutation.
the thing with defensive muts is that they don't directly increase your damage output in the way that many brutality (tainted flask, combo, open wounds, vengeance) and tactics (point blank, support, tranquility, networking) mutations do

signal plank
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wrong

blissful wave
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and that just limits your build potential a tad, because of you have enough defense to stay alive and always be attacking, having more defense isn't helpful at all

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but in fairness, that's pretty minor...in terms of consistency, survival is arguably the strongest color because of the insane survivability many of its items and mutations provide

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its other issues are inherent to the game (boss CCR and enemy scaling, namely) and aside from that the main problems with it are certain aspects being OVERTUNED

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no

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well first off enemies aren't immune aside from very specific ones

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and neither are bosses technically

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the issue is with the way the resistance system works

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changing that as a whole is a much more difficult and major change than the rest of this suggestion

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what about them

sleek breach
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Survival has most of the best skills in the game

blissful wave
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||such as ice grenade||

rancid panther
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its kind of a difficult balance to hit cos being able to stunlock bosses after tier 1 with standard survival stuff would be so stupid

blissful wave
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well brutality and tactics can already do that with sandals so y'know

rancid panther
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fair.

blissful wave
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the takeaway from that should be 'sandals are fucking stupid,' not 'frost blast should stunlock every boss' though

sleek breach
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Wolf trap, bombard, tonic, tshock, ice armor, and sickles all have survival scaling and there are plently of skills that aren't amazing but still work very well.

blissful wave
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such as ice grenade

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the best skill in the game

sleek breach
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Is this some new thing you found or sarcasm?

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it was made for the game

blissful wave
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that except for the bits after 'problems'

sleek breach
blissful wave
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reverse

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sharkasm

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the cooldown is just ridiculously long for what it is

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a common problem for very early survival skills unfortunately

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thankfully there's only like 3 in the game that suffer from it

rancid panther
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idk how much survival op has played but id really encourage you to practice a bit more at it because it is really solid even tho it can feel difficult and a bit unfair when youre first picking it up

blissful wave
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eh. just improve counterattack and spite. maybe rework one of the current defensive muts into an offensive one, too.

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other stuff is too ingrained to really just be 'improving survival' if changed

quasi pasture
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I want some more status related muts

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And shields

cloud ether
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LMFAO

quasi pasture
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Survival's issue is always just less "stuff" than the other two colors

cloud ether
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its funny that you think survival isnt viable

quasi pasture
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Survival has a decent number of skills

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The one issue is a lot of them other colors can run since their scaling is either entirely unimportant, or only makes them marginally better on survival

cloud ether
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ok then what isnt viable

blissful wave
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tf goin on with your background

cloud ether
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?/????/???

blissful wave
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ah yes, gold digger, throwable objects, and wolf trap. all brutality items.

cloud ether
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what the fuck are you talking about lmfaooooo

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all brut mutations too!

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no the fuck you did not that is a surv build lol

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this is INSANE

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i really have no idea how you think this is a brut build

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oh thats what that random ass number was from

blissful wave
cloud ether
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nice shadow, viral

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i like how its going over it

blissful wave
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that's how light works nin

cloud ether
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nuh uh!

blissful wave
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I'm just gonna send it again y'know

ancient carbon
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Why did you ask me to see this

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This is the coldest suggestion ive ever heard of

quartz rover
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Survival is lacking some mutations that aren't based on parrying slowing and stuff like that

Exept that its doing good

ancient carbon
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You made this suggestion just to say that survival is dog?

quartz rover
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Just go away dawg its not like he chained you up and you need the key he got