#Add a "builds" channel to the discord

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tawny turret
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I noticed that, despite being a game that puts a lot of emphasis on the items you're using, we don't have a dedicated channel for people to show off builds that have worked for them.

Eg: Someone posted a build where they used King Scepter to bounce on enemies, and then safely magic missile them from above. I absolutely would never have thought of that without seeing it posted here, and I'm having fun learning how to use it.

Preferably no cheese builds, that defeats the purpose.

unique axle
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this is specifically for game suggestions

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not discord ones

tawny turret
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oh where do I put that

unique axle
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there's...not really a place for that

tawny turret
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Ye

unique axle
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but I do really like this idea

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@dusty crypt is this a possibility?

tawny turret
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Would probably also have to address if spoiler power would be allowed

unique axle
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there's no official rule against spoilers

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but it's not hard to just spoiler tag text/images relating to that item in particular

tawny turret
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I'm not sure how much that gives away honestly. Without knowing the twist, I can think of lots of ways we might get that item lol

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I think the build has to be realistically attainable, too. Like, yes, do you sometimes get multiple legendaries a run that have great synergy? Sure. But a build that totally relies on legendary affixes doesn't further someone's understanding of how items work 99% of the time. So maybe like only 1 legendary item per build if you use one

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Or just do whatever, I don't want to gatekeep this if it's put up

unique axle
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no need for restrictions

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just a forum for cool builds

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idk

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also since hayzet didn't respond @delicate oriole what are your thoughts on this

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seeing as mods are the ones to ask about discord changes

delicate oriole
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Do we really need this? How many people would realistically post builds in such channel?
Not to mention with how often the game gets updated, half the builds you'd find there might no longer work as well in the recent update.

unique axle
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I mean

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do we really need #3_5_discussion or #suggestion_discussion either?

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it's not so much about necessity as just being fun imo

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people like to share builds

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it's neat

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already happens a lot in #general

hardy rain
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can't wait to see 37 posts about baseball bat

delicate oriole
unique axle
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mmm

delicate oriole
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Point is we already have quite a lot of channels, usually we don't want to add new ones if they'll be barely used.
We already have some channels that could be probably axed

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So that's why I'm wondering what's the interest in this, 9 upvotes doesn't exactly scream that everyone in teh server wants it

unique axle
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well tbf this channel isn't for discord suggestions and I said that immediately, which could very well be stopping people

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let me put it this way

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builds are a primary way people already discuss the game, and having a specific place for them would not only encourage greater discussion but would also provide a much better format via forum

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maybe it's a difference of opinion but rn the main category only has 8 channels which imo isn't excessive

delicate oriole
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I guess a difference of opinion, yeah builds are integral to the game and as such often included in discussions but how many of it is "let's discuss this cool build" and how much just "this is what I'm using right now".
You'll get lot of build discussion in other channels anyway, because it's so integral to the game.
I just don't see enough need for a separate channel/forum for this.
Yeah, maybe this channel not being for server suggestions is stopping people, but then it's hard to sort of see what's the interest in this.

unique axle
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maybe you should allow server suggestions or make a channel for them then

delicate oriole
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I guess we should figuere out some way for that. We didn' want server suggestions here as the devs read these.
We don't have a channel because once again we don't want dead channels.
Even back when we had server suggestions (meta suggestions in hammer, modmail in slammer) it was so so barely used. To the point of 1 suggestion per couple of months, and then it was an ask for a new emoji.
Not something we need a channel for I'd say.
But yeah, then there's not really a place for something liek this

tawny turret
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It would be helpful if they included version number as well. Builds that no longer become viable on console/PC because of an update will have a lot of longevity on mobile

Idk if it's possible/difficult to implement, but people could have a form thing to fill out in #bot_commands and have one of the server bots post it to the channel. I'm thinking the format would require an image (screenshot of the build), version number, and a description/explanation of what makes the build unique

tawny turret
unique axle
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I don't know how many others that's the case for but yeah

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in any case a discord suggestions tag for this channel would work well

chilly quiver
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And regarding builds getting outdated, we could just emoji react with 👴 if it's really outdated.

Maybe force players to add buzzwords like "#v3.4" or "#Brutality" to their build message

delicate oriole
chilly quiver
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I mean we could give it a try, see how it works out and either improve it over time or shut the channel down if it's really dead

tawny turret
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The build I was thinking of was from @woeful acorn , who seems to like sharing their knowledge of unique builds

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I could see them posting there

woeful acorn
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scepter?

tawny turret
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Ya ya

chilly quiver
severe pivot
unique axle
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in fairness

tawny turret
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Literally double guillain_pog

unique axle
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no, more than double in fact

tawny turret
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Surely this is the will of the people

unique axle
golden silo
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Omg please ffs do this! I've been searching allllll over the internet for a bunch ile guide or thread of posted builds with affixes or literally any synergy related info

fringe grotto
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this would be absolutely nuts

unique axle
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@delicate oriole 43 people now want this with zero downvotes, can you at least consider it?

delicate oriole
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I did consider it, and I voiced my concerns. Upvotes by far weren't on the top of the list and weren't among the first reasons against it I mentioned.
There isn't even a consensus among the people that want this as to how it should function.
Some want just a repository of builds, some want a discussion forum.

unique axle
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I mean, a forum channel is kinda both of those things

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but @tawny turret maybe you could write up a more comprehensive description

chilly quiver
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@tawny turret disappeared when we needed him the most

tawny turret
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Yeah I'll write smth up in a bit

tawny turret
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What I had envisioned for the #builds channel was a repository that gave information about a build you wanted to share. The format to post would be a screenshot of your equipped gear in the menu along with an explanation that included any pertinent details (idiosyncrasies/unique techs, biomes where it worked really well, or whatever it was that made this build shine). I was thinking it would have a multiple hours long slow mode (3 or 6 maybe) attached to discourage too many discussion posts. Discussion would either be redirected into its own separate channel (#builds_discussion), or more realistically, just limited by the slow mode. The slow mode would enable you to talk about a posted build succinctly, and make it easier to scroll through people's builds without having to sort through 100 messages between them. This single channel idea would only work with slow mode- it would become just another chat channel otherwise.

I also don't think the screenshot should be mandatory, just what I think people will end up doing the most. It isn't necessary if you include your full build (along with any relevant affixes) in the text.

The build post itself could be posted by a bot if you wanted to enforce a format- but I don't know how much time/effort that would take. It's just a possible option rather than being part of the core suggestion.

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@unique axle @chilly quiver @delicate oriole

unique axle
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mmk

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I don't think 3 hours of slow mode is really necessary for discussion

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imo you should ideally be able to discuss builds

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I imagine mooner will want to know, what exactly is the point of this in the sense of 'what fundamental value does this have to the server?'

tawny turret
unique axle
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that's true, but I'm mostly asking about it in terms of enjoyment for server members

tawny turret
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I mean, I could envision people trying out posted builds and then sharing their experiences with it (whether they managed to win or lose, where they had difficulty, whatever)

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I think enjoyment is subjective- this is a masochistic game, and what one person enjoys another might hate. I personally like trying out and learning items that are new to me, but I might not be motivated to try something I otherwise hated unless I saw someone else talk about it.

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It'd be cool to see stuff that's really unique here, like katana techs and the synergy you can create

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And while these are all possibilities, my core suggestion was really meant to just have an info dump, like the wiki. There's just too much information for the wiki to list every significant synergy an item can have. The people who edit the wiki are also limited by their own personal experiences playing the game.

unique axle
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perfect

tawny turret
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It would also just straight up be an invaluable reference for people who are new to the game and overwhelmed by the amount of items available.

chilly quiver
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Adding clips as examples of the build can be cool too

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in the end it should be a channel where you share your build for these reasons:

  • It's really effective in specific level, against specific bosses or just generally strong
  • The build is niche/unknown
  • The build is just a lot of fun (fun builds, meme builds, etc.)
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anything else?

unique axle
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imo it's just really fun to show off

chilly quiver
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true

unique axle
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build creation is a huge part of this game

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having an actual forum for it would be awesome

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which is why I'm pushing so hard for this idea

tawny turret
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I'm cool with discussions so long as people's formatted posts don't get buried between dozens of messages

unique axle
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I'd love to see shark's insane katana + king scepter with comb porcupack build or whatever and being able to actually comment on it in a dedicated thread

unique axle
tawny turret
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THREADS

chilly quiver
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More experienced players can make explanations for the build, give ideas for replacing certain items, etc.

tawny turret
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You wouldn't need slow mode or anything if you did that.

chilly quiver
unique axle
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slowmode? wym?

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also how is it easier to navigate a normal channel than a forum

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  • what do you mean by 'threads'
tawny turret
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Each mother post on a forum used to be called a thread back in the olden days

unique axle
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I know but

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that's an advantage of forums

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not a disadvantage

tawny turret
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Yeah I was agreeing with you

chilly quiver
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There are things called threads for normal channels?

unique axle
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yes

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but how are they better than just forums

chilly quiver
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hmmm

unique axle
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they're like exactly the same

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except forums have tags and better sorting and UI

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they are literally made to be 'channel containing a bunch of posts with threads attached to them'

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which is just

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what this would be

chilly quiver
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Yeah forums would be better actually

tawny turret
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I can agree to that over what I had suggested.

unique axle
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jesus christ it has 53 upvotes I didn't even notice

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cmon mooner

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pleeeeeease

chilly quiver
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we can get flairs such as brutality, tactics, survival, "meme", "fun", "meta"(?), "niche", "general"

tawny turret
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Yeah, it'd be mostly identical to the format used for #1047062638045184000

unique axle
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well not in terms of tags but yeah

tawny turret
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Yeah

unique axle
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perhaps other tags could be done but idk if 'niche' and 'general' are it

chilly quiver
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yeah those additional tags need more thought

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maybe one for Tech

tawny turret
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BC ones would be nice but not strictly necessary

unique axle
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eh

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imo let's just start with color tags

tawny turret
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Some stuff that shines in lower BCs wouldn't work as well in 5BC biomes and bosses

unique axle
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I can't really think of anything else that you could add that's not super arbitrary while still being general

unique axle
chilly quiver
severe pivot
unique axle
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we need to change that icon to colorless yeah

chilly quiver
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on the wiki too

tawny turret
unique axle
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ehh

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malaise is inconsequential

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I mean you're right

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but I wouldn't say it's so extreme that a build is ever specifically for 5bc or specifically for 0bc

tawny turret
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Mm fair enough.

chilly quiver
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Should there be a guideline for the title?

tawny turret
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Yes

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Please

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For the love of god make it succinct

chilly quiver
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succinct??

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Oh

tawny turret
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Or more like, have a format and make it relevant

chilly quiver
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"briefly and clearly expressed." Damn natives

tawny turret
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Like pls include items used in title and not have people say something like "great cheese build" only

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That doesn't help if you're trying to find builds for specific items

unique axle
delicate oriole
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I've seen it, just didn't have time to properly review/reply to it.
I have it in the back of my mind to get to this when I can.

unique axle
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alright, thank you

delicate oriole
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It's good to see you guys agreed on the format of how this should look.
I still have some reservations mostly in terms of how much of the posts will be just low effort or duplicated post with the currently OP items.
Even if there were post guidelines, that's not gonna be followed.
But I guess that's something we can just wait and see, I guess.
I'll see what the others think.

dire pond
# delicate oriole It's good to see you guys agreed on the format of how this should look. I still ...

If it helps to alleviate some of your reservations, I noticed that a lot of the suggestion posts that had the most discussion are usually the ones that are low effort. Ones that raise a unique idea, but don't really think about implementation. And then the rest of the community starts talking and discussing whether it would actually work.

And I think that's how a build channel would be treated. Even if someone comes with a bad or simple build, more experienced players can offer suggestions for improvements or variations to try out.

tawny turret
unique axle
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(at the very least, we can do a trial run)

fringe grotto
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I'm seconding a trial run

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if a trial run happens I'll be active again

unique axle
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I'll be honest shan I don't think that's worth much as leverage

fringe grotto
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wasn't meant to be lol

tawny turret
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Could we get an update on this please?

unique axle
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yes please

chilly quiver
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Even Hayzet is following this channel 👀

unique axle
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I pinged him one time yeah

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it was not of his own volition lol

agile haven
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You've all been duped

severe pivot
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y’know, i’m not sure how much bumping this post and begging is actually going to help this case

unique axle
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what else can we do?

bleak quartz
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to answer a rhetorical question: wait patiently and lurk more

tawny turret
severe pivot
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as if that makes a difference

chilly quiver
vivid spoke
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get it to 100 im sure itll be noticed then...

vivid spoke
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omg

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106

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makeitmakeitmakeit

unique axle
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it will never happen

vivid spoke
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im still huffing that copium

amber zinc
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I would like a build discussion channel

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Ngl

vivid spoke
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pls exist 🙏

unique axle
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it will never happen

tawny turret
naive horizon
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As a new player, I too woulda did that rather than discovering burn and oil combo by myself and other beginner builds

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Although it would be a great help at some point once ya run out of creativity/inspiration

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So perhaps make the channel BUT only a certain chat level would unlock the channel so as to

  1. Boost chat

  2. Encourage new players to learn by themselves first

  3. Advanced players can discuss and share their builds better since they are mostly filled with players who won't share the same build since only higher chat level players can join the channel.

vivid spoke
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new players already do thag

plush nymph
naive horizon
chilly quiver
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It's smth we don't have here, some servers have bots that track your messages to give you xp and you eventually level up

plush nymph
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i think this has already been suggested

naive horizon
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I forgot that there was no chat level here hehe. I assumed without checking the roles that it is not applied here

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Also, what SpeedyCookie* described

naive horizon
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just to name a few

unique axle
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but also no

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maybe instead of that we just add a builds channel

amber zinc
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Add a builds channel and see where it goes then delete it if its bad