#Update Affix Tags

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minor lake
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TL;DR:
Affixes are very inconsistent and should be updated/fixed in a major update.

Warning! A lot of nerdy talk here!
There are specific problems with certain affixes, I will explain which problems they have here:

  • "Full Life Damage" (+50% dmg at max HP) and "Super Crit" (+20% crit dmg) block all other elemental damage affixes such as "+80% dmg against poisoned targets". This is very bad considering you lose out on two elemental damage affixes (you can only have 2 of those) just to have a weaker affix. Why it this the case with those two but not "Back Damage" (+30% dmg dealt from behind)?
  • Change the "More Damage" starred affix ("+15 dmg") to be a non-starred affix, it makes no sense that it's one when most other similar affixes are normal affixes.
  • Weapons with the "Heavy" tag shouldn't be able to get the weaker damage affixes ("+15% dmg" & "+20% crit dmg") as they have access to the heavy weapon affixes ("+20% dmg" & "+30% crit dmg")
  • "Back Arrow" shouldn't be limited to weapons that have bullets.
  • Change the description of "Bullet Armor" from "Damage from projectiles reduced by -75%" to "[...] reduced by 25%", it's quite misleading.
  • Basically all the newer weapons can easily have self-synergy (e.g. Baseball Bat with "+70% damage against stunned targets") while older weapons can't (e.g. Blood Sword can't get "+60% damage against bleeding targets"). Major issue & inconsistency!

There are way more even changes needed. I believe that an affixes update, similarly to how legendaries received a lot of attention in 3.0, would help fix a lot of problems that Affixes have. We already saw that a lot of affixes didn't scale properly (arrow & poison/fire affixes), so why not focus on this for one update? Go over the forbidden affix tags, forbidden items, chances, cost impacts, etc. and make sure everything makes sense because rn there are more exceptions than rules.
https://deadcells.fandom.com/wiki/Affixes

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God damn, why did I write so much?

steel edge
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do you mean why cant the blood sword get +60%?

minor lake
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yes

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wait, lemme remake the post cause missing image
Doesn't matter, can't find a good image

minor lake
steel edge
minor lake
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It seems like almost all the newer items can have self synergy

steel edge
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its not even just newer items

minor lake
steel edge
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iron staff can get self synergy in like 3 ways

minor lake
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sinew slicer?

steel edge
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toothpick can get stun

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barnacle can get +80% and poison

minor lake
steel edge
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its not even a bad thing, these things should be changed so that blood sword etc dont have them forbidden anymore

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could you imagine if they took away all the self synergies

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no +175% on piercing shot

minor lake
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That's the thing, it's a mess rn and I don't think anyone knows if those affixes should be banned or not

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because if they aren't, then items that internally have some status effect will always be better

steel edge
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if they do get banned then antisynergies should also get banned for ice items

minor lake
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or just nerf those elemental damage affixes, @glad valve did that in his mod

steel edge
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no biters on nut, ice xbow, ice bow eyc

minor lake
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fire is banned for example

steel edge
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no fire on kill for piercing shot plesse

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not for piercing shot

minor lake
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huh

steel edge
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lmfao

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its not technically an ice weapon iirc

minor lake
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I just checked

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the right side means banned items

glad valve
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ice crossbow can get crit damage boosts too

steel edge
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👁️

minor lake
steel edge
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yeah i check this

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i question either the wiki or my own sanity

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thought ive had fire on piercing shot before

minor lake
steel edge
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is fire trail banned?

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guess im gaslighting myself

minor lake
steel edge
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guess im wrong

minor lake
glad valve
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some problems I have with affixes:

  • ice crossbow gets crit bonuses
  • fullife and extra crit damage blacklist elemental affixes
  • serenade can't get fulllife for some reason??
  • +15% damage is a lame star affix
  • +20% damage is an affix that exists (with how common it is just buff heavy weapons by 20% ffs)
  • toxic cloud on hit and poison damage are not mutually exclusive
  • bleed on hit is unnecessarily rare (1/10 the chance of EITHER of the two poison on hit affixes)
  • pushonstop is unnecessarily rare
  • blowgun can get poison damage
  • diverse deck can get electric and poison damage
  • elemental affixes + the double/quad damage affixes are way too strong
  • burn on hit can't show up as a normal affix
  • root on death can't show up as a normal affix
  • stunshield can't show up as a normal affix
  • heavycrit exists
  • wrecking ball can get piercing affixes
  • backarrow is exclusive to ranged weapons for some reason
  • supercrit and backdamage are mutually exclusive for no reason
  • paytowin (money shooter legendary that also provides superpierce innately) is not mutually exclusive with pierce affixes
  • ice bow can get superpiece but not pierce for some reason
  • toxic cloud on deploy is way too common and isn't mutually exclusive with poisondamageact
  • stundamage is not blacklisted from toothpick or war javelin
  • lightning aoe is marked as an electric synergy tag despite not inflicting electricity
  • lightning aoe does not inflict electricity
  • grenade/arrows on destroy do very little damage
  • root damage can appear on boy axe and maw of the deep
  • rollbomb does not scale with scrolls so it's absolute dogshit
  • heavystun has zero duration
  • mariojump has even more of a zero duration
  • star affixes are unnecessarily rare for amulets
  • globalshieldonuse is has zero duration
  • extendedduration is really strong but it's still unnecessarily rare
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the system is very outdated as a whole imo

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I hope it gets revamped to some degree in the future

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or at least have all these loose threads cut

minor lake
glad valve
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not many people knew/cared about legendaries either

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but here we are

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and ultimately the dev team can see design problems that players can't

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that's why they're the devs

minor lake
gloomy maple
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Is +damage to slowed enemies bugged or smth

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I think I’ve seen it maybe 2 times in all the time I’ve played

minor lake
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But the answer I got is that it's intended...

gloomy maple
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even on weapons i feel like it should show up a lot more

glad valve
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I've seen it plenty often

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but yeah

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not on skills for some reason

gloomy maple
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maybe devs just hate ice shards

glad valve
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it's still a contender for the best item in the game so I doubt it

fringe horizon
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I believe the self-synergy rule is: If the weapon inflicts the effect, it can't have the affix, if it crits on the effect but doesnt inflict it on its own, it's all good

steel edge
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fire weapons can also have +40% to burning according to the affix banned items page