Slight wrecking ball rework

[gusty oak]

Wrecking Ball is extremely slow, and it feels like it takes way too long to pay off, even for a Survival weapon. For this reason, I suggest a few changes.

1: Move the first attack in the combo (The overhead strike) to the end. This makes the toss a little easier to execute and more viable against some faster bosses, and ties in to the next suggestions.

2: Make the pull attack drag enemies towards the player and inflict a heavy stun. This keeps the other parts of the combo viable.

3: Give the (now final) attack the Nutcracker’s crit condition. This effectively turns it into a “finishing move” against large crowds.

I believe that these changes would make the full combo more flowing and rewarding, and making the toss easier to execute against bosses without triggering the “payoff” immediately.

[tribal citrus]

@forest ivy

[forest ivy]

I'll respond later

in a tournament

[glad flume]

this entire post is a skill issue, wb is fine

[shadow forum]

I want to see viral respond first

[uncut totem]

well…
The Wrecking Ball is, almost without a doubt, THE slowest weapon in the entire roster. Sometimes you commit to an attack only for an enemy or boss to move out of the way entirely and cause you to miss your shot. I understand that the whole archetype of Survival is slow and defensive, but the game is really designed for faster playstyles in general, so being slower than enemies can cause you to whiff some attacks altogether. I will admit, the damage from the final hit is amazing, but the journey there is not; you have to slog through the three incredibly sluggish hits before getting to the last one in the combo, and if you dodge roll or stop attacking for even a short amount of time, it will reset. D Tier weapon.

[gusty oak]

That’s why I suggested the rework, it fixes a lot of the issues you listed. The toss & pull happens sooner, and the stun prevents enemies from escaping the grand slam
edit:

[uncut totem]

🤦‍♂️

[glad flume]

satirical copypasta unfortunately

[gusty oak]

Ok ok lmao

[uncut totem]

wb is fine as is

[bitter crescent]

isnt wrecking ball literally faster than oven axe

[glad flume]

no @bitter crescent

first hit at least

overall probably the combo is slightly faster

theyre about same speed

[bitter crescent]

so its overall probably faster

[prisma flint]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-react-thanos-meme-gif-26303208

[gusty oak]

NOOOOOOO

i’ve been horse’d

[glad flume]

lemme check wiki

yesh wb is faster

oa 4.32 wb 3.57

a lot faster lol

[gusty oak]

my first trashgarbage suggestion

[bitter crescent]

and who was right?

[gusty oak]

ok so read directly beneath the message you replied to

[glad flume]

both of us ofc

[bitter crescent]

that was a rhetorical question

by definition a question asked not to get an answer, but to make the recipient think about a specific topic

[gusty oak]

Oh ok lmao I’m really dumb

[glad flume]

no sphinks is just stupid

[gusty oak]

My joke detector is very faulty

[glad flume]

fun fact

wrecking ball counts as a whip (it pierces shields)

and the ranged attacks are simultaneously ranged and melee

[bitter crescent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/871053622228693002/1041039239137198140/tenor.gif

[gusty oak]

Yea I’ve heard it’s crazy strong with point blank lol

[glad flume]

doublecrits casually doing +30% damage

[gusty oak]

a wee bit of trolling

[clever yarrow]

Oh here comes viral

[forest ivy]

this sounds like survival wrenching whip
it's not a terrible idea (aside from the two separate crit conditions for some reason + it would be way too slow to actually use in that capacity) but it's not even remotely similar to the vanilla weapon
which is saying nothing of the fact that most people like the current iteration of it aside from some small things like long endlag on the first hit and the ability to get piercing affixes

[forest ivy]

they're ranged
post-player crit is like...not anything. doesn't benefit from PB
it's weird
some stuff like OW checks if the player is attacking with a melee weapon, whereas other things like frenzy check if it's a melee attack

so OW still works

but frenzy doesn't

[glad flume]

i recall testing, they benefitted from some melee thing i dont remember but ill test again some time if i remember

[forest ivy]

it was OW

[glad flume]

oh i do remember

vampirism

[gusty oak]

Fun fact electrodynamics procs OW

[forest ivy]

I use OW a lot on solo runs to proc bleed synergies

[glad flume]

the ranged attacks heal on vamp

[forest ivy]

and they also work with frenzy
so have fun with an instant full heal

[gusty oak]

[glad flume]

explain this if theyre not melee liberal

probably same thing as you said with ow, checks if you are using a melee

[gusty oak]

wait do they work with vamp

[shadow forum]

never realized different mutations checked differently

[forest ivy]

if they do it's only 2% per strike

[forest ivy]

me neither until now
not really many ways to test that + shraxes is hardcoded to be different I think

[gusty oak]

well they do a lot of strikes so

[forest ivy]

they do 3

max

[gusty oak]

The orbs tho

[glad flume]

no

oh nvm you mean card

[forest ivy]

yes

[glad flume]

vamp also has an icd

frenzy and adren dont

[forest ivy]

I mean still I don't think that it makes vamp viable on WB lol

[glad flume]

yeah too slow

if the icd wasnt there itd be good on wb

but unfortunutaely
it exists

[gusty oak]

What’s the icd on vamp anyways?

[glad flume]

0.25 sec

makes it unbelievably shit on nonheavies

[gusty oak]

How long is the effect again?

[glad flume]

10 sec

[gusty oak]

That means vamp+edynamics orbs can restore 80% hp, even more with frenzy bc vamp gives a speed boost

[glad flume]

if the dot from electrodynamics counts as melee yeah
just remember vamp also eats your hp, from 40% to 20%

[clever yarrow]

Wait can skills proc vamp or is it just orbs

[glad flume]

probably very few
phaser probably does

[gusty oak]

I know for a fact that the orbs proc open wounds, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they proc vamp as well

[glad flume]

test it, always love vamp being good

[gusty oak]

I shall conduct a test when I get home

I’ll try a swift sword+frenzy+vamp+the orbs of epicness build when I get home

Maybe I’ll throw vengeance in there for max tanking lol

[glad flume]

swift sword sucks

i do not recommend using swift to tank

[gusty oak]

Vamp speed boost to proc the crit

[glad flume]

yeah it works in bosses but the heal is worthless, not worth tanking. vamp is just for crit here

[gusty oak]

Yeah, the orbs will be the main heal source

[glad flume]

i c

[gusty oak]

Swift sword is just there for damage

[glad flume]

yeah makes sense

[gusty oak]

I’ll try to fish for +40% on elec too

[forest ivy]

also why tf is this called slight rework

it's a complete rework

[glad flume]

lmao

[gusty oak]

look im real dumb ok

[prisma flint]

true

[forest ivy]

delete this

[gusty oak]

maybe it could be implemented as a new weapon or something

[forest ivy]

maybe

but

it literally is wrenching whip 2

and wrenching whip is a very odd and generally uninteresting weapon

[glad flume]

suggest wwhip rework

[gusty oak]

Oh wait do the mutineers have their anchor available as a weapon? I forgor

[clever yarrow]

No

and someone already tried to suggest it

[gusty oak]

[glad flume]

shark wanted a charge attack for maw of the deep

that does that

it would just be a bad war javelin tho

[gusty oak]

grappling hook and flint