Make enemies invincible for a few seconds after teleporting (or until they start an attack)

[real rune]

This would not apply to jumping enemies like Rampagers or Slammers, or ones with built-in teleports like Runners or Weaver Worms. Only talking about the 4bc+ teleportation.
(The invincibility would be for like 2.5s, ending immediately if the enemy starts an attack)

Okay, hear me out.
Teleporting enemies is a great idea until you realize that because of how long it takes them to do so (as it should be, for them to be fair), the player can just sit next to where an enemy is about to teleport and immediately kill them when they do. Rather than forcing players to deal with enemies, it instead lets them draw enemies out of an otherwise difficult situation into a spot where the player can get a free kill.

I'm not opposed to mechanics like this being beneficial if used correctly, but I think teleportation is too easy to exploit right now. If enemies had a chance to reposition instead of essentially being spawnkilled, this tactic would be a lot riskier, and teleportation would actually cause the intended effect of punishing the player for running away from enemies.

(This would also buff malaise-spawned enemies, which could probably use it.)

[grim wadi]

i'd honestly suggest a big list of all the malaise reworks you want in general. i know i have a LOT

[real rune]

this would be regardless of malaise

[sage perch]

Wouldn't this punish survival as well as you can greatly use this to your advantage?
I can see players getting completely destroyed because the enemies keep staying invulnerable. If they have some short attack animations, you're completely fucked

[real rune]

as a wrecking ball user, I can confirm that there are no enemies in this game that attack too fast for survival to hit them unless you camp teleports

slammers are difficult sometimes

but they jump which =/= teleportation so no invul

Make enemies invincible for a few seconds after teleporting (or until they start an attack)

[grim wadi]

either way you could just time it so the attack hits as they start an animation

[sage perch]

You are not thinking about 99% of the playerbase 💀

They can't even abuse the tp itself

So why make it even worse 💀💀

[real rune]

yes, but that's more difficult, and other enemies can teleport over during that time so you actually have to deal with them

[real rune]

because teleportation abuse should not be part of the core gameplay loop?

[sage perch]

I think it should! It's like a knife that can either be dangerous or be a useful tool

And if you finally can make use of that it's a big "aha!" moment

But that's my opinion

[real rune]

if it's a knife it's one thrown by a bastion guard

the skill cap for this technique should not end at figuring out it exists

[grim wadi]

just buff malaise and teleporting is gonna be less abusable anyway 🧌

[sage perch]

You... are right

[real rune]

hahaha

yess, more upvotes

[sage perch]

Hahahaha

[real rune]

kemmy I'm going to kill you

[sage perch]

Oh wait, less upvote? 🗿

[sinful bough]

Moreeee

[jaunty fjord]

couldn't you just wait out the I frame period

[grim wadi]

yeah sounds like itd just be the same thing idk

[sage perch]

Well yeah, but that gives the enemy enough time to start an attack instead of them being spawn killed

[real rune]

if it's multiple seconds then it's time enough for the enemy to reposition, start an attack, and for other enemies to teleport over

[sage perch]

It's a small but noticeable change

[jaunty fjord]

this sounds like a terrible idea

[grim wadi]

im iffy about this suggestion tbh

just another mechanic that doesnt do much imo

[sage perch]

Tbh, same but "the skill cap for this technique should not end at figuring out it exists" convinced me

[sinful bough]

I just think it’s a funny suggestion lol

[grim wadi]

make teleport patterns predictable then and erase teleport visible startup

[real rune]

that's way dumber

[grim wadi]

so you admit this is dumb

[real rune]

I can say dead cells is better than FIFA, but that doesn't mean dead cells is good

[sinful bough]

Yeah cause dead cells sucks fr

[grim wadi]

ok

[real rune]

anyway they already are "predictable" regardless

[mystic island]

you lost an upvote

lol

[real rune]

they TP to the position you were at when they initiate the TP

not that it matters

because you can just camp on a tiny ledge anyway and get them all on one block

[grim wadi]

whatever tp being so slow sucks anyway

[real rune]

(though ig this sugg doesn't help that much either)

[real rune]

kinda true
maybe the answer is to just buff malaise

[grim wadi]

thats what im saying

[sinful bough]

Only thing noticeable from malaise is the malaise enemies

I don’t get elites often

[grim wadi]

thats barely even noticeable

[sinful bough]

And I don’t get the dmg buff from enemies

malaise does like nothing

[sage perch]

Does Melon get his upvote back? That and more will be uncovered after a short break!

[grim wadi]

the only actually bad change from malaise is damage increase at 8 and 9 and thats the dumbest change

[grim wadi]

no because bad suggestion

[sage perch]

I said that will be uncovered after the short break damnit!

[grim wadi]

@sage perch compile a list of malaise changes and suggest it

[sage perch]

What about the one at 6

[sage perch]

No

[grim wadi]

20%?

its not bad at all

[sage perch]

But the additional 20% are?

[grim wadi]

you can very realistically tank entire biomes with 20%

[grim wadi]

yes

very noticeably invalidates any sort of tanking

[jaunty fjord]

imagine at high malaise it just doubles the enemies ❤️

[grim wadi]

id like this

should kill you via swarming, not damage buffs lmao

cheap way to make the game harder as an otherwise sensical, unique mechanic

[spare vessel]

"bro why am i not dealing damage to this enemy"

[real rune]

yes because dead cells is very focused on learning how things work before they kill you in seconds

[spare vessel]

coping cause this suggestion sucks

[real rune]

okay.

[dull snow]

I definitely agree that the teleporting is too exploitable. Maybe just greatly reduce how long they stand there doing nothing after teleporting instead though? So they appear beside you instantly ready to swing? You see the teleport happening so it won’t catch you off guard, it’ll just give a lot less time to set up a no-risk insta kill on it

I’m not a huge fan of making enemies invulnerable in general, since that slows gameplay down as you wait for it to wear off before you hit them. But I agree with the general concept you have going here

[real rune]

mm

I let the invul slide for this one because you shouldn't be letting enemies teleport anyway

but you're right it will probably happen often

having enemies instantly attack after teleporting isn't a great idea though imo

maybe they immediately START an attack after teleporting

but even then you can still spawnkill them

tl;dr the solution is to buff malaise so that group/faster teleports are almost always active

[frozen belfry]

That's honestly the best solution and the one I've been wanting devs to make

But balancing teleporting enemies is tough, to be fair this exploit has been around since forever