#crash to desktop

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dawn pier
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here's my most recent autosave before it crashed to desktop 40 minutes later

here's the error log too, it mentions Path Goal Seek Ladder to Climb:Station Milling Flood at 91,108,93 about 15 minutes prior to the crash which i think is the same message from last time i got a CTD about two hours ago

EARLIEST_COMPATIBLE_NUMERIC_VERSION must be less than or equal to NUMERIC_VERSION! seems to happen on game load

📎 autosave_1.zip 📎 errorlog.txt
dawn pier
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crashed again earlier, can't remember what i was doing though. here's the "current" folder though this might just be normal

📎 current.zip
dawn pier
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crash again, i think it might be related to the bazillion bards and scholars who want to visit my fortress

rigid drift
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After having tested your save, everything looks to be functioning and there's no hiccups or anything.

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Is there a possibility this is caused by your RAM or a memory leak?

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Do you tend to run a lot of other things on your PC while playing DF?

dawn pier
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i have DF, discord and DF wiki open on chrome :)

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a memory leak would be game-end right? i.e. not something i can do

rigid drift
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Let's check something.

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Do you have a windows 10 OS?

dawn pier
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nop it's 11 🙈

rigid drift
dawn pier
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hahahah

rigid drift
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Okay let's see if there's something you can do

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press the windows button and R

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type in dxdiag

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something like this will pop up

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use snipping tool to screenshot and gimme

dawn pier
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it's my son

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oh hey ur european

rigid drift
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Very european

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You've got a powerhouse there

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But that windows 11 is probably behind A LOT of issues.

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Even unrelated to DF.

dawn pier
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i want more RAM and a 40x series but ya

rigid drift
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I'm flummoxed. Maybe try running the "given-to-okcool-then-gotten-back) save and see if that did anything.

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My superior W10 encoding shall save you.

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Only big change is you got a caravan.

dawn pier
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the only ~visible~ problems i have with W11 are that they've taken away/hidden a lot of diagnostic type things so i have to jump thru hoops to do things as microsoft have tried to babyproof the computer + i know what i'm doing

rigid drift
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You are not allowed to do things on your own

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Please refer to TECH SUPPORT for unplugging a keyboard

dawn pier
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but i AM tech support 😂

rigid drift
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But are you LEVEL 3?!

dawn pier
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oh good point

rigid drift
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Khan Raj Paradanushk from MASSACHUSETS sure is.

dawn pier
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i'll remove my mods and go back to that save again and see if it will co-operate but yeah, it's happened to every single one of my saves thus far and no clear reasons

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if it's windows related i'm suing

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/s

rigid drift
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I apologize for not being of better help. gorlak
My game ran pretty good but I did have a few crashes, too (no clue what caused them and they were staggered between 3-6 hours of gameplay).

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Next time it happens, please post a log!

dawn pier
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oh no problem, thanku for taking a look at my murdercorns! for the first day it really put me off playing but now i'm just like "whatever, new fort"

dawn pier
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@rigid drift 50 minutes, crash to desktop

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last action was trying to assign a tomb, which i have seen zone assignments in a few crash reports

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it's always this nonsense then like half an hour later a crash

Path Goal Seek Ladder to Climb:Station Milling Flood at 91,108,93

but i never have a mill and there isn't always water

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the "current" folder is almost empty again but also the game is closed (because it crashed duh) so maybe that's why idk

rigid drift
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And this is a fresh world, correct?

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Do you adjust any parameters during worldgen?

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What's the world age?

dawn pier
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it was the unicorn world again, but i will do a default world next

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the world gen i have been using is 150 years

rigid drift
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And no special changes in it? 150 is gucci

dawn pier
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yep that's all i change + world name

rigid drift
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then that should seriously be safe.

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I highly doubt it's linked to the unicorns but they were obtained with an in game mechanic, right?

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Or were you snooping about with some sort of devtool?

dawn pier
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yeah they just wandered by so i put up cage traps

rigid drift
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Got it

dawn pier
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if it turns out to be windows 11 i'm gonna scream

rigid drift
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The previous worlds also suffered from you crashing every 40-50 minutes

dawn pier
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yep

rigid drift
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Let me check if it's possible

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then I'll explain

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This is really off the wall but it might work.

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Can you set it to windows 10?

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Windows 7 should theoretically work, let me check the steam pagte

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page

dawn pier
rigid drift
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Try 7.

dawn pier
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if you open it from the exe steam doesnt know it's open and lets you load it again

rigid drift
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mmmmmmmm

dawn pier
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unrelated but interesting

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rigid drift
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But hey, it works!

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Yeah, launch parameters are beyond me

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if you can figure them out via steam you can just use that

dawn pier
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yeah i use the exe i cant be assed

rigid drift
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Now we need to test it.

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50 minutes of your time must be sacrificed

dawn pier
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oh it's mad i launched it without steam

rigid drift
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

dawn pier
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lmao let me look at the steam thing

rigid drift
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Do you usually play windowed or fullscreen?

dawn pier
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windowed but i double-click to open it to full screen

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does that make sense idk

rigid drift
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Madman

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Try fullscreen, first.

dawn pier
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i want windowed borderless /sulk

rigid drift
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yes me too but no such luck

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You don't have any geforce thingies running, right?

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amd/whatever?

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Like a gamer bar.

dawn pier
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nah i don't let that stuff on my games

rigid drift
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Never a bad idea to check if you have the latest

dawn pier
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so i've loaded in with compatibility mode, not fullscreen for now, and it's really laggy

rigid drift
dawn pier
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yeah getting around 40

rigid drift
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oof.

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Yeah, that's unacceptable.

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You can tweak game FPS to 50 instead of 100

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it should be smoother hten

dawn pier
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i mean i have graphical at 50 and game at 40 anyway

rigid drift
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ooh

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Set graphic to your monitor's refresh rate

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in my case it's 75hz.

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so 75fps

dawn pier
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only 60 i have trash screen

rigid drift
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Did you manage to get it functioning off-steam?

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If so, you should tick these. If you're a command-line god then my limited skillset cannot help

dawn pier
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i decided to just launch thru steam because the log was mad

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this spam

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rigid drift
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okay so we're not messing about with those.

rigid drift
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so it's like IF THIS ISN'T TRUE PLS CLOSE

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loop path fail: <same square> troglodyte,30,181,123 -> 34,189,123: Id #10432:Path Goal Seek Station:Station Owner at 24,187,123
DOUBLE TAGGED ITEM: Store item in stockpile, limonite
path fail: jabberer,32,37,9 -> 30,39,16: Id #10549:Path Goal Marauder Mill:Station Marauder Mill at 30,39,16
DOUBLE TAGGED ITEM: Store item in stockpile, chert
DOUBLE TAGGED ITEM: Store item in stockpile, iron cage
DOUBLE TAGGED ITEM: Store item in stockpile, chert table
Two uninstalled mods have the same id and numeric version: OLD_THEME (5001). Using the first encountered: 2901540139 (5001).
Two uninstalled mods have the same id and numeric version: OLD_THEME (5001). Using the first encountered: 2901540139 (5001).
Two uninstalled mods have the same id and numeric version: OLD_THEME (5001). Using the first encountered: 2901540139 (5001).
Two uninstalled mods have the same id and numeric version: OLD_THEME (5001). Using the first encountered: 2901540139 (5001).
DOUBLE TAGGED ITEM: Store item in stockpile, -chert floodgate-
DOUBLE TAGGED ITEM: Store item in stockpile, kaolinite
path fail: dog,137,103,169 -> 138,104,169: Id #10691:Path Goal Seek Station:Station Owner at 136,105,169
DOUBLE TAGGED ITEM: Store item in stockpile, clay
DOUBLE TAGGED ITEM: Store item in stockpile, clay
Two uninstalled mods have the same id and numeric version: OLD_THEME (5001). Using the first encountered: 2901540139 (5001).
Two uninstalled mods have the same id and numeric version: OLD_THEME (5001). Using the first encountered: 2901540139 (5001).
loop path fail: <same square> cat,132,100,169 -> 137,93,169: Id #11187:Path Goal Seek Station:Station Vermin Hunting at 134,94,169
loop path fail: <same square> cat,132,93,169 -> 138,87,169: Id #11058:Path Goal Seek Station:Station Mill Building at 131,98,168
path fail: dwarf,Construct building,115,91,169 -> 107,90,169: Id #3407:Path Goal Main Job Building:Station Mill Building at 128,102,169

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I got a similar error to your NULL log, and there's that MILL

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I've not even seen a jabberer!!!

dawn pier
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woe

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just sending some videos to upload, terrible phone quality

rigid drift
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Can you send your gamelog.txt?

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steamapps/common/Dwarf Fortress

dawn pier
rigid drift
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Yeah I was hoping for some LIFE CHANGING INFO but this is just a literal log

dawn pier
rigid drift
dawn pier
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so i can try the "play in fullscreen compat mode for an hour" but it will be gross

rigid drift
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I'm trying to find info about this as you're literally like, the only one with such a bug (barring the other guy in df-questions, but I told him to wait 40s before unpausing after load and he never returned)

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Or rather the only person with such a bug I'm aware of, but I don't open bug-reports because that place has horrible design

dawn pier
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forum/threads are useful on discord but in my opinion people should be encouraged to search for related issues and merge posts

rigid drift
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You seek sanity where there is none, comrade.

dawn pier
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i run a sims 4 support server lol

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i feel like i'm far from the only person to have CTD issues, but i do seem to be the only one that it happens regularly on every world in every save

rigid drift
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IT JUST WON'T no MATTER WHAT despite loading in the mod list

dawn pier
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yeah probably

rigid drift
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Anyway, there's one..."fix", kind of?

dawn pier
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i did look into the forums but there was a lot of trolling going on that i'm too old and grumpy to bother with

rigid drift
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It worked back in the day with the lazynewbpack.

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It's...disabling sound in the ini

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Spoiler: it's gonna be MISERABLE

dawn pier
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hey that used to fix a sims 4 memory leak too before they patched it

rigid drift
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We see one common thing across all the crashes

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The nefarious MILL text.

dawn pier
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it's ok i'm actually legally deaf (though i can hear some things) so i don't overly mind disabling the sound

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i'll give it a go but hope for a MILL SQUASHER

rigid drift
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I'm not sure if it's EVERYBODY ON THE MAP seeing something as a mill and trying to interract with it

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yeah I'm trying to find the raw data file to delete mills from existence

rigid drift
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Glad we can communicate via text like true magicians.

dawn pier
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as u saw my forts are usually very small, i deconstruct workshops that aren't being used any time soon so there is definitely no stealth mill

rigid drift
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data/buildings only has two lines

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for soap makers and something I don't remember

rigid drift
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I have absolutely no clue where the raw files are on the Steam version.

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They're all kind of tucked away in VANILLA_X folders, but constructions doesn't even have the workshops

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I mean, nuking your mills from the RAW would probably DO something

dawn pier
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i don't know shit about C++

rigid drift
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but it's very heavy handed

rigid drift
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DF raw editing is as easy as changing an ini file in mass effect for instance

dawn pier
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nah i mean like, where everything is xD it seems very empty

rigid drift
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It's possible the things got hardcoded too 😦

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So we can't just mess around with them anymore

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The mill icon is in item_graphics

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the mill entity? Not in items

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I have to take a break and eat my dinner (at midnight) but we'll get you playing eventually

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even with the worst possible workaround ever invented

dawn pier
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lmao i'll open up and play with sound disabled for the ini, if i get past two hours i'll call it a success

rigid drift
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I'd recommend tweaking the announcements file then

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add BOX to combat beginning because you won't be able to hear the shouting

dawn pier
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i mean i didn't know the announcements had sound anyway

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i only know combat happens when the lil swords in a circle appears

rigid drift
dawn pier
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i also have no sense of smell so i can neither hear nor smell farts :)

rigid drift
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Is that acquired or genetic?

dawn pier
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genetic, dad's fault

rigid drift
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But hearing, then?

dawn pier
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just me :D but since baby

rigid drift
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I'd say something stupid like "OH I'M SO SORRY" but you seem perfectly capable of existing so keep it up!

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I've just got pallinopsia, astigmatism and visual snow. 😵‍💫

dawn pier
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spent a lot of my teens going "thanks for this perfume i am sure it smells lovely"

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astigmatism friends

rigid drift
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We are both mole rats.

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Regardless, derailed the thread enough and some mod will blap us if this continues so I will just DM you until I crack the enigma and post it here. gorlak

dawn pier
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okie, i will post any further crashes here with my tears

dawn pier
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okay it looks like it may well be a case of a sound related memory leak, because so far so good

i'll report back if it happens again but @wooden prism maybe will help you too to disable sound in Steam\steamapps\common\Dwarf Fortress\prefs\init.txt

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for devs purposes here are some basic pc specs

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wooden prism
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ty, will try tomorrow as well

dawn pier
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hopefully final update i got through TWO seasonal autosaves which has literally never happened for me in the last week and a bit <3

glossy lance
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So you say dear op that it was probably sound related? I also have win 11 (because it's pretty...) and after 3 years I started getting random crashes without doing anything (10, 15, 20 minutes of game and pop).

I'm going to check it out later. On reddit other person with random crashes was fixing his saves by removing everything from save folder sans world file (didn't help me tho).

dawn pier
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i tried that reddit solution too 😂

good news: with sound disabled in the init i played for 4 hours straight, it's almost definitely the cause for the semi-regular crashes

bad news: i got another crash, error text path fail: dwarf,110,106,94 -> 110,104,96: Id #987:Path Goal Chase Opponent Flood:Station Mill Building at 98,117,91 loop path fail: <same square> dwarf,Drink,104,104,91 -> 107,104,91: Id #1566:Path Goal Seek Drink Item:Station Mill Building at 102,104,91

so whatever this error is, that's consistently in error logs from CTD, needs to be eaten

glossy lance
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hmm, strange, I changed the init file and I also turned on FPS display in it (because why not) and it doesn't process. My DF plays with sound and with music and without FPS counter. I think I missed something silly that should be obvious.

rigid drift
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And I don't mean lower volume but disable sound entirely.

dawn pier
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the one in the screenshot is the wrong file btw

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this is "how to do"

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this is "do"

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glossy lance
dawn pier
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i did the same thing ;)

glossy lance
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I will let it run for a while, let's see if it helps. If it turns out to work where should I notify creators beside this here Bug Reports?

dawn pier
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i dunno :D maybe email them, maybe scream into the void

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or send a pigeon

glossy lance
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hmm.. it appears that probably something between sound and an unit appearing on map caused crashes. I just got a forgotten beast, I guess it tried to spawn for a while. It was around the time I would expect it to crash.

dawn pier
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fair observation, could be a specific sound causing it. unfortunately i'm deaf so can't help troubleshooting that 😂

glossy lance
rigid drift
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I'm sure it has something to do with idiotic monsters trying to path to your stuff from caverns

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but that's been an issue since caverns were added

glossy lance
dawn pier
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i haven't personally seen any FB but i did breach (and then flood) a cavern

fleet otter
dawn pier
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try the sound disabling, especially if you have semi-reproduceable conditions to test

fleet otter
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i will try shortly

fleet otter
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Giving it a go now. Sound off in the ini before loading. Shouldn't take long i was plonking down saves over and over to get as close as possible to the crash.

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right this is normally when it becomes unsaveable whatever happens

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now still crashes on the first step allmost immediately

dawn pier
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that's sad

fleet otter
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i suspect its something to do with the entities coming onto the map and being saved as historical characters in the world

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it is its killed two very cool volcano forts now

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both also had FB's in the past. It just seems to start happening at a certain point.

dawn pier
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hopefully can get some eyes on it and save your forts ;__;

fleet otter
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i had no idea at first, but its the autosave that tends to cause the problem when it gets to that save, but it effects all saves equally.

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yeah if anyone wants the save dm me

dawn pier
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ok no, we're back to crashing around every 1.5 hours :( as far as i can tell there's no common element

glossy lance
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Reading this makes me want downgrade to win 10...

dawn pier
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unfortunately can neither do that nor be sure it's the cause ;__;

dawn pier
dawn pier
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cries forever, it crashed again

last action was setting a stockpile to be for wooden low quality goblets

📎 sad.txt
dawn pier
glossy lance
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It feel like some corrupting elements are accumulating on the map the longer the fort continues?