I'm playing on RTX 2080 TI, i7-9700K, 16gb ram, SSD. My native resolution is 2560x1440, but I'm playing on 1366x768. For some reason, my game just refuses to work. Even while playing in the barren wasteland or a tundra, the game doesn't let me play with more than 5 fps. Rivers crash my game. It's weird.
#Game being laggy despite FPS being *normal*
sterile moss
zealous mesa
@sterile moss Have you tried playing in windowed mode? Also, what does your CPU say? Your CPU has 8 cores/threads so 13% or 25% could mean 1 or 2 of those are fully used up otherwise something else strange is happening.
sterile moss
Yes, I've tried the windowed mode. It doesn't really do anything. How can I check the CPU? While playing, it's at 60%.
zealous mesa
You can right-click the taskbar and click "taskmanager" there.
sterile moss
It's the resolution I'm playing, the processor is basically 20% right now, the game is laggy as hell, though
Oh
hold on
It's 42% max while playing at the barren wasteland
Despite that, the game is slow and laggy
And the input lag/latency is so bad it feels like a very slow internet browser
Like, I drag the digging zone and I have to wait for 1-2 seconds before it even starts drawing
There's a giant lag
zealous mesa
go into your settings and click "show fps" to "yes"
hoary spoke
Like, I drag the digging zone and I have to wait for 1-2 seconds before it even ...
Is it the same if you do those things when paused?
zealous mesa
should see something like this. The left number is the simulation ticks per second and the right is your graphic updates per second.
sterile moss
Well, it says that
But the game is still laggy
I've started a 1x1 embark
And yes, there's no difference between paused and unpaused
zealous mesa
then its not obviously performance related
sterile moss
It's probably a graphics problem
I've formatted my pc yesterday
But nothing has changed, really
A single tree on the map is enough to brick my game
Or so it would seem
zealous mesa
I almost feel bad for asking the infuriating question "did you update your graphics driver"?^^
sterile moss
Yes
I've tried everything I've found online
I'm running the game with special launch options, played a bit with NVIdia control panel to support OpenGL
I run the game as a priority and administrator
And I run it in a window so small it takes 1/4 of my screen
zealous mesa
kk, wait a sec, I'm checking if there are still any init_d-config options regarding ui drawing in the steam version
sterile moss
Alright, thanks a lot. I'll wait.
hoary spoke
And I run it in a window so small it takes 1/4 of my screen
Yeah I'm on a shitty laptop and even I can manage a 4x4 ocean embark, for a while, so it's not a lack of oomph
sterile moss
Yeah, it's obviously not normal. The worst thing is, I'm in minority.
Like, there aren't many people affected by this.
But even despite that, I can always play classic until the thing gets patched. I don't regret buying the game at all.
But it's strange that it works (or doesn't work) that way
hoary spoke
Have you tried classic?
sterile moss
Yeah, I've been playing Dwarf Fortress on and off for ~3 years
hoary spoke
Curious if it has the same issues
sterile moss
No
hoary spoke
👍
sterile moss
I can run 500 pop fortress
Then it starts to lag
I used to run the multiplayer fortress (we played 1 year each) with 2 friends
And it used to be a 300 pop 6x6 embark with 2 waterfalls
and it ran smooth as butter
hoary spoke
Impressive!
sterile moss
But it was modified ascii
Simple Mood tileset, my beloved
But then, you see it's strange
When my steam version game lags at 7 dwarfs, paused game
And a single tree is enough to slow my game to a halt
And a river is enough to completely crash it for some reaso n
hoary spoke
Haha, looks good, but not sure I could handle that font. I was always on CLA
sterile moss
The font is the best part. CLA is amazing, but I never really liked the filled tiles
hoary spoke
I hope you get it sorted! Steam version has... Issues, but it's still good.
zealous mesa
So, it seems there are no magic init options anymore
sterile moss
Yeah, I just wish it worked for me 😦
Oh, I've tried to put the "elevation view" setting to 0, too. It doesn't change anything.
Like, no change. Even when the world is black.
or white
Even on 1x1 embark
zealous mesa
I'm down to educated guesses and fiddeling. Did you try disabling "resizable"?
The other things that have a slight chance:
Does changing the Graphical FPS cap affect anything?
that FPS Cap would be in the Video tab.
The other one is the Game FPS cap in the Game Tab. Right under the show fps thing.
If for some weird reason your pc skips frames upping those could help. But I do not know if input is related to GameFPS or GraphicalFPS. I just know that when my fort reaches 15 FPS i have to hold clicks a bit longer for them to register and if you already have that problem and increase the fps it might register your input faster..
zealous mesa
50 is the default right? then check the extremes. go for 5 see if it is worse, probably is
then check 100 or 150. Same for the game fps one
zealous mesa
Just tried, you have to confirm with Enter after typing else it resets when you click done
zealous mesa
My input delay got way worse setting it to 5.
sterile moss
Well, welcome to my world because it didn't change a bit
hoary spoke
I'm pretty sure 100 is the default, just for reference
sterile moss
But the FPS showed it
Hold on, I'll change the biome
The worst FPS I had was in tundra
zealous mesa
try a higher than default value like 100
sterile moss
Without elevation
I'll do that
Hmm
The overworld map is much smoother
it runs on 90 fps now
It ran in 5 before
It's strange but great news tbh
I'll fiddle with that a bit
In game, though is the same
The goddamn trees
zealous mesa
With the higher setting or the low setting
Ok, I also just had another suspicion. I just checked that your graphicscard supports adaptive sync/freesync/g-sync whatever. Did you ever come across that anywhere? Or do you force vsync?
sterile moss
I don't think I do force that, but I'm not sure where to check that
zealous mesa
My Geforce is made out of dust and parched moths, but its in the NVIDA Control Panel
Not sure if newer GeforceCards still have that. I just search "nvidia" in the start menu
Is also here when I rightclick empty space on the desktop
There also might be some option in that geforce experience thing.
sterile moss
I'm in the control panel, looking for the vsync
zealous mesa
there it's for me
zealous mesa
It won't hurt trying. The default would be to let the app decide
sterile moss
Doesn't seem to change anything
zealous mesa
Then two more things: Do you have any overlays enabled? Like the xbox game bar, or the geforce experience in-game overlay?
sterile moss
no, no steam overlay too
zealous mesa
ok, just thought there might be a reason why steam overlay is off by default.
the other thing. old df had these settings in the init.txt
On cards that support the OpenGL ARB_sync extension, turning this on can improve framerates in GPU overload conditions. It defaults to NO, as many cards that claim to support this will crash if asked to do so.
[ARB_SYNC:NO]
This sets the applications vertical synchronization behavior. Changing this to YES can impact your FPS if your G_FPS is high. ARB_SYNC is a better option, if your system supports it.
[VSYNC:NO]
you can try pasting them here C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Dwarf Fortress\prefs\init.txt
just like this and try turning them on and off
https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Init.txt here is the init.txt from the latest version before steam. Anything option talking about Sync or Buffer could have an effect
sterile moss
The game loaded 50% faster
So we'll see
Okay, it jumped to 25 frames
So it's a progress, really
20 frames more than it used to be huh
zealous mesa
Other than that, you did try setting FPS and G_FPS to something high like 200+?
hoary spoke
Make sure discord overlay is off too, that one is sneaky
sterile moss
I just did that, restarted the game and it launched without loading
hoary spoke
Oo
sterile moss
the dwarf face literally just blinked
and the game started
so
the game is still laggy
but it's also very fast
XD
zealous mesa
hah
sterile moss
like, the dwarves run in fast-motion
but the game is still laggy to drag and stuff
it looks like it's on 4x speed
zealous mesa
That would be the game_fps, you can set that back down to 100
I feel kinda stupid that I forgot, but you can easily change the G_FPS (aka gamespeed) with ALT + <the two keys left of backspace>
sterile moss
oh, that's interesting
zealous mesa
its ß and ´ on my german keyboard. The settings say "alt + minus and alt + equals"
zealous mesa
yes, what did the fps counter at the bottom say when you ran it fast? 200(200)?
sterile moss
I wonder if a tileset change would fix the issue
No, it was still 100<90>
But the game was laggy on my part
zealous mesa
But 100 in the front, is the standard speed. The dwarfs shouldn't have been any faster.
zealous mesa
Default is 100(50)
zealous mesa
Maybe remove them to test and then fiddle with the FPS cap under video again.
sterile moss
-fullscreen -USEALLAVAILABLECORES -high -maxMem=8192
aye aye sor
sir
alright, heavily forested area
if I don't respond, my pc exploded
okay, it runs worse
zealous mesa
where did you get the launchoptions btw? they're news to me
sterile moss
Reddit is always helpful to some degree
Well, I guess what I need to do is just wait
Until it gets patched
Or tilesets become compatible
Because I'm almost sure it's the tileset's fault
Since trees kill my FPS
zealous mesa
Ye. I just tried some of the old init settings, but the game eats them and they vanish from the init.txt when i restart
I'm still not sure if they kill your "FPS" because the readout from DF at the bottom did show that you should be fine
Or? your perceived fps never matched the number in brackets
sterile moss
Well, yeah
the brackets don't match the actual game's performance
unless it's an overworld map
zealous mesa
There's definitely something mysterious going on. DF obviously draws as many frames as it tells you. Because what else could it count. And something eats those frames.
umbral path
@sterile moss It's speculated (and seems to be the case) that the steam version is using software renderer for graphics. So for higher resolutions it becomes really taxing really fast.
zealous mesa
Vsync is a hardware close way of matching your fps to your monitors refresh rate.
Double- and TribbleBuffer are methods of drawing frames to memory before displaying them.
Any overlays that support streaming may take any frames a application wants to display for a detour.
*triple xD
sterile moss
<@343772857614204929> It's speculated (and seems to be the case) that the steam ...
I'm playing on 1366x798 resolution, though. It takes 1/4 of my screen
I've messed the number up a bit, but the point is - it's small
zealous mesa
Yes and the game tells him basically
FPS: 100(50)
sterile moss
Vsync is a hardware close way of matching your fps to your monitors refresh rate...
I'm pretty sure I've turned all overlays off
zealous mesa
the FPS should be down if it was a performance problem
sterile moss
Game being laggy despite FPS being normal
zealous mesa
I bet if you ran a virtual machine with linux on it and then emulated windows with wine to run steam to play DF your performance would be better
sterile moss
How does one do that?
umbral path
Well, going off the above info, could you try to run DF with 2 physical cores? (Even numbered 0, 2) and so on?
sterile moss
I've never emulated aything
sterile moss
Well, going off the above info, could you try to run DF with 2 physical cores? (...
How does one do that?
umbral path
Are you on windows?
zealous mesa
Emulating: that's way more effort than it's worth.
Cores: TaskManager > details
Then only check core 0 , or 0 and 2 like he said
umbral path
Check 0 and 2, because iirc the game uses 2 threads one for Game Logic and one for Rendering
actually try both (only 0 nan (0,2))
umbral path
That seems... off. Don't you have 8 cores?
woven solstice
Have you been upgrading a very old computer? How old is the CPU? Looks like a bottleneck to me
woven solstice
4 core?
sterile moss
Not sure
woven solstice
what cpu?
sterile moss
i7-9700k
umbral path
Yeah should have 8 cores
sterile moss
That's !FUN!
woven solstice
that makes no sense yeah lol
zealous mesa
You might have disabled them inside the bios. Or it's some weird 8 cores on the chip but 2 share a pipeline thing. But when enabled they should also show up.
sterile moss
Where can I see my CPU?
woven solstice
push windows key and start typing system info, click top thing
sterile moss
So, guys
This is so fucking dumb
I'm fucking ashamed to even send you that but I can probably explain
So basically
The CPU
IS NOT THE ONE I USED TO HAVE
But then
I fucking bought the i7-9700k
I even have the receipt
I sent my PC to the service about a year aho
woven solstice
thats a fairly big difference lol
umbral path
😬
woven solstice
cpu deff the problem lol
woven solstice
maybe even AMD for GPUS after these 3000 flops
zealous mesa
hah
sterile moss
this is hilariously bad
woven solstice
I would honestly think that CPU could run it better
but i dont know jack about quad core i7's
sterile moss
They nicked your cpu?
Probably, yeah
zealous mesa
But it still doesn't add up, DF shows you roughly FPS: 100(50)
But your input laggy as hell
my CPU is ancient even compared to yours
sterile moss
And I didn't notice
zealous mesa
but I run embarks fine
hoary spoke
my main desktop is an old i5
sterile moss
Not only my DF is running like garbage, I also found out my CPU has been stolen by the service
probably
woven solstice
yeah I agree, it still doesnt add up. I have a 2060 which is pretty much the same architecture and it runs fine
sterile moss
is there anything I can do?
woven solstice
if you had a 30xx series i'd say yeah, prob an issue
dunno, I'd have to fuck around with shit myself with something so specific and zero info
zealous mesa
Have you checked that your RTX 2080 isnt an GTX 280?^^
hoary spoke
Literally running absolutely fine, even with firefox and discord open and no gpu to speak of
sterile moss
Have you checked that your RTX 2080 isnt an GTX 280?^^
I'm afraid to look XD
nah it's okay
umbral path
That still doesn't make sense i7 6700 (non K) should have 4 cores, 8 threads
woven solstice
yeah I just did a comparison. that i7 6700 is only 10% slower than my cpu. It's not your hardware
umbral path
Is hyper threading on?
woven solstice
unless the model is so old it uses a different type of throughput that makes it less efficient with DF in particular. Just guesses at this point
sterile moss
How do I check that?
umbral path
Seems like it's off. You'll have to check in BIOS
sterile moss
Uh oh
woven solstice
im curious, try changing your desktop RES to 1080P and running the game in windowed
zealous mesa
Well RIP to your CPU, anyways.
The most striking thing is still, why does DF say it runs fps 100(50). And when you change grapical FPS to 5 in the options DF feels the same as when you set FPS to 100.
Somethings eating frames
hoary spoke
Watch him come back and find rebooting fixed it
woven solstice
if he bought his GPU on a sketchy site some of them trick the computer into thinking its a different GPU
and they sell you junk
zealous mesa
yeh but i think DF would show low frames in the counter if DF was unable to render faster
hoary spoke
My laptop literally does not have a gpu
sterile moss
if he bought his GPU on a sketchy site some of them trick the computer into thin...
No, it was my CPU
umbral path
He might have some !FUN! BIOS settings causing stutters
sterile moss
It must've been snatched at the service point
It's Poland, we're barbarians sometimes
Anyways
Turned the hyper-threading on
It was !FUN!
We'll see if it changed anything
umbral path
So now it should be 4/8
sterile moss
It is
umbral path
Cool, it's still not what you wanted but at least it makes sense now.
hoary spoke
Next time fix the fan yourself, I reckon xD
umbral path
1280x720 can be integer scaled if you choose to go down that road for crisp graphics. You'd loose out on (Fish, Plants and Others) category of the Stockpile summary
zealous mesa
Hyperthreading shouldn't make a difference I believe. CPU isn't faster, there is just a second thread to do some work when the first thread is stalled and waiting for something. So unless he's streaming in 44 chrome tabs
umbral path
Hyperthreading shouldn't make a difference I believe. CPU isn't faster, there is...
It could if the hitching comes from thread-switching overhead. But I doubt it, worth a shot though.
umbral path
😅
zealous mesa
I'd really like to see tarns codebase at one point.
sterile moss
Well, turning into 1920x1080 didn't change shit
But Hyperthreading gave me like, 2 fps more
which means... my game is now like 10!
instead of 5
Yay
sterile moss
I'll try that
umbral path
Only 0,1 or 2,3
zealous mesa
Twice as good is amazing, I'd die for those gains in other games
zealous mesa
I mean I'd still die for twice as fast DF ^^'
sterile moss
Twice as good is amazing, I'd die for those gains in other games
Bahaha
I mean
I paid for much better CPU
It should have been better in the first place!
hoary spoke
I still don't think it should make as much of a difference, something has gone wrong somewhere
zealous mesa
DF doesn't care, whatever this is is not you running out of cpu^^
hoary spoke
again, I'm literally on a 2-core laptop from 2011 and I'm getting 100fps on a map with a waterfall
sterile moss
I'm jelous
hoary spoke
hey, the laptop would cost less than a new cpu xD!
umbral path
I'm thinking this. If you're CPU got snatched, you didn't have SMT on, what else is fucked?
zealous mesa
When I upgraded from my 4 core rustbucket to this 8 core chromed over rust bucket I lost DF performance as single core was a bit worse.
sterile moss
I'm thinking this. If you're CPU got snatched, you didn't have SMT on, what else...
I'm afraid to even think about it
umbral path
I'm jelous
BTW unrelated, but if you know your RAM speed, make sure they're actually what you got. If it has an XMP profile make sure to enable it in BIOS
sterile moss
😢
hoary spoke
Make sure you're not overheating
hoary spoke
coretemp is a good app for checking
If they snatched the cpu it might be they didn't put the cooler back properly
hoary spoke
For a desktop I would say anything from 25 to 50
50 on the high end, I'd put new paste on it at that point
*c
zealous mesa
That's really cpu dependent
sterile moss
Mine are 45-60C
hoary spoke
That seems ok
zealous mesa
AMD run hotter at least that was the case
sterile moss
Minimal 40
hoary spoke
Overheating is like 80-100~
zealous mesa
mine will crap out at 74C°
hoary spoke
My laptop idles at 60 but I literally just took it apart, cleaned it, and put liquid metal on it a week ago
hoary spoke
That's fine
sterile moss
The game still runs in 11 fps
zealous mesa
Its black magic to me.
I put a new cooler on the cpu 75C° at boot craps out. I redo the paste can boot but still run to hot to do anything without crashing.
I hit my cooling block with a screwdriver end. bam 40C° at boot, wat
hoary spoke
haha
just wasn't seated right I suppose, mine was running at 100 with the fans going constantly even idle, but it turned out the cooler wasn't secured properly
fixing that + the metal has made everything run so much better xD
So either way that's not your problem, which is good
sterile moss
Do you think it'll be patched?
Or will I have to play classic when it comes out updated
zealous mesa
I'd furiously hit check update on your graca drivers
hoary spoke
Supposed to be weekly patches, but I assume classic is gonna run the same "engine" so your problems may persist?
hmmm
they nicked your cpu right
sterile moss
I'm pretty sure it's the Steam version's fault
hoary spoke
What if you have old cpu drivers hanging around fucking everything up
sterile moss
Probably a tileset
sterile moss
What if you have old cpu drivers hanging around fucking everything up
I've formatted my PC yesterday
hoary spoke
Ah, fair enough then!
sterile moss
You know, I used to run 300 pop forts on 6x6 embarks in classic
Playing with modified ascii tiles
Smooth as butter
zealous mesa
I'm betting on something between DF and you and not inside DF per se. Otherwise I can't explain why DF thinks its running with more frames than you experience
sterile moss
You see, the thing is... the PC is wiped clean
Like, my HDD and SSD discs are wiped
All the apps gone
All the clutter wiped from existence
And nothing has changed
zealous mesa
Yeh it sucks. I'm eying your graphics card. It's quite new, you have fresh drivers. Nvidia likes to fuck up with their drivers sometimes.
Did you run SteamVersion fine before the wipe?
sterile moss
No
It ran like shit
Hence the wipe
I figured "eh why not"
"I wanted to do that anyway"
low key hoped it will fix things
since my pc was full of crap
but no
zealous mesa
As good a reason as any. Ask tarn to enable RayTracing and ClothsPhysic so the RTX feels validated, idunno.
hoary spoke
haha
sterile moss
Tbh I hate my graphics card
like, i'm not even playing games that require it
such a waste of money
zealous mesa
But I'd say that whatever it is it'll get patched by whomever.
Hey, idea, can one force hardware emulation for a programm?
sterile moss
I don't know
zealous mesa
Can you check the settings app (just settings in start menu) There Display and then Graphics Settings?
zealous mesa
does it say like here when you pick an app and then open the options something about power saving gput?
It's like watching an old movie in an IMAX theater
sterile moss
How do I see the graphic settings? where to look?
zealous mesa
Open the Settings app and go to the System group of settings.
Select the Display tab and scroll down.
Click the ‘Graphic Settings‘ option.
On the Graphics Settings screen, open the ‘Choose an app to set preference‘ dropdown.
Select the type of app you want to set the GPU use for; Classic app for desktop apps, and Universal app for UWP or Store apps.
you can also just search graphic from the settings window
zealous mesa
then just check any app if it lists some. Im just inerested if you have a other option than the rtx
sterile moss
zealous mesa
Crap. I'd hoped there might be a integrated GPU
you can try setting the powersettings to whatever isn't selected for DF but it won't help I believe
hoary spoke
Could always try yanking the graphics card and see if it still boots 😆
sterile moss
what a garbage situation tbh
XD
I hate how they yanked my CPU and I didn't even fucking notice
what a life
so now my FPS in game shows 9999+
but still runs like crap
what
the
f is happening
behold
zealous mesa
see its fine the game says 49 fps * bugs closes* 😛
sterile moss
Yeah it shows that but... still runs like it's 10
like, i still can't drag with a mouse :(*
zealous mesa
mouse and keyboard are laggy, right?
hoary spoke
only time I've had anything even close was when I had a forgotten beast get into my dining hall and 170 poets decided they all wanted a piece of it
sterile moss
like, I can't even scroll
hoary spoke
and even then it still ran ok once I paused
That's the only time I've had input slowdown in the steam version so far
zealous mesa
Before you install linux, you could try the compatibility mode.
zealous mesa
shit ^^ I can't recommend running linux in windows to emulate windows. I started the install and its still chugging along. Just wanted to see if it even would work
sterile moss
Am I really the only one experiencing that? That's nuts/
zealous mesa
You're one of the lucky 10000
sterile moss
Yeah
Perhaps why my CPU was stolen
Perhaps joking will help me cope
Anyways, mate
Thanks for your time
I hope you haven't wasted it
I'm pretty sure the realisation my CPU is not what it's supposed to be was a highlight
I fucking hate this timeline
zealous mesa
No worries, stuff like that is like solving a Sodoku for me^^
umbral path
then just check any app if it lists some. Im just inerested if you have a other ...
There is a higher one that will not put the CPU into idle mode
FWIW
hoary spoke
It's ok, steam df lets you save multiple timelines now
umbral path
I fucking hate this timeline
If you want at some point, share your screen and try to troubleshoot the issue together, feel free to DM me.
umbral path
GMT+1 IIRC
umbral path
Yeah 😄
zealous mesa
you have infected meee~
zealous mesa
@sterile moss https://www.reddit.com/r/dwarffortress/comments/zhhmff/guide_on_pixel_perfect_graphics_reliable_text_and/ did you see/try this already?
sterile moss
you have infected meee~
lmao it's a virus
check your CPU
Well, some day it will run better. They will inevitably find a way to optimize it.
kind heath
just popping in here to say I am also having the same problem with the FPS being normal but controls having noticeable input lag and missing inputs
I don't have any of the weird hardware situation that OP seems to be having so while it doesn't rule it out its another point against that being the cause
I've also tried everything suggested in this thread so far with nothing helping
system specs are Ryzen 5 3600 and RTX 2070, 1440p monitor.
People with much worse PCs than me have been running the game perfectly fine and I have no issues running other more CPU or GPU demanding games
kind heath
oh also I have no integrated GPU
kind heath
https://discord.com/channels/329272032778780672/1050233682243375176
yeah already tried this and did nothing
sterile moss
I think I've fixed my FPS @zealous mesa
sterile moss
I've installed the different sdl drivers
and then found out even in my native resolution
when I'm playing on a "default" zoom
It's smooth as butter
but only then
if it's zoomed in or out it's instantly 1 fps
Like, zoomed with the [ ]
You should definietly check it out
sterile moss
yeah already tried this and did nothing
Hey, need an advice?
hoary spoke
Somebody should pin that message so it doesn't get lost in the chatter
sterile moss
I think we should write down all the things suggested in this thread as a TL;DR
without the !!!FUN!!! story about stolen CPU
this is what fixed my game a bit
Native resolution, lots of trees, a lot of water
The game is running smooth as butter mate
Turns out it's the zoom feature that's incompatible with my pc
Can you tell me, if there's a way to set a "default zoom"?
You know, in an Init file
hoary spoke
#1052635799335731291 message the first message, for reference xD (That was a lot of scrolling up)
sterile moss
quite a ride, huh?
hoary spoke
Seriously
sterile moss
Can you tell me, if there's a way to set a "default zoom"?
.
kind heath
Hey, need an advice?
so you just have to zoom out all the way and it made it run better?
sterile moss
No, no
It runs like shit when I zoom out all the way
It's a spot in the middle, all pixels are sharp and clean
Nothing looks out of place
It just aligns and runs smoothly
whenever I zoom in or out it returns to 1 fps
it's that one spot, it's 2 clicks of zoom out after launch for me