but, its fine
#general-chat
ebon dew
last batch of 1050 ti's i got were $144 and now those same exact GPU's sitting in boxes are going for $300+
rapid geode
gt210 $60
ebon dew
yuck tho
rapid geode
ha
ebon dew
does it even do dx10?
ebon dew
ah it'll do dx 11.1, maybe not so bad but they're discontinued... figures
ebon dew
520 mhz 🤣
ebon dew
hey prices are dropping. that's great news.
yeah i've got a 730 around here somewhere too
rapid geode
i used it in a cnc machine but linux hasted it so i got a gt210 or similar
and then the shop flooded
ebon dew
ouch
ebon dew
ok for 10 fps
rapid geode
that was win xp64 though.
ebon dew
depends on which version of the engine too
ebon dew
it's come a long way since then
ebon dew
yeah always online os constantly sucking down more updates daily
ebon dew
walking trees, not a bug, a feature
rapid geode
it needs work. lets just say that. most people still use 4.7 for real work
ebon dew
i got into blender for a little bit but have never used unreal
rapid geode
blender is coming along.
not sure if its viasble to use on its own, but it doesnt get laughed at anymore
thats a big step
ebon dew
yeah probably around 2010 and i was impressed with the lighting back then.
i was doing some game assets for a 1st person shooter called reflex (quake clone). was easy to work with but intimidating amount of options.
rapid geode
3d packages are so vast, anyone who tells you then know every feature is a liar
ebon dew
actually after looking it up was 2016, not as long ago as i thought.
ebon dew
yeah even photoshop and premiere are starting to get daunting.
rapid geode
we have been trying to abandon photoshop for 20 years. why are there no good alternatives? makes no sense
ebon dew
i think the only program i ever opened up that was so complicated to use with so many options that i gave up was maya 3d
actually i've started using a free online editor called pixlr, it's a great substitute for basic needs.
rapid geode
maya it not so much complicated, as terrible. ui and workflow are horrific.
ebon dew
yeah that was basically my experience with maya
rapid geode
everyone uses maya where i am, cause maya is made here. actually, all 3 are made here, which is weird.
ebon dew
pixlr is free, the advanced editor is a good substitute for photoshop though it lacks some of photoshops more powerful features.
rapid geode
our main issues with photoshop are colour management
or lack of
the artists like to use is
but its a lottery if the colours look the same in nuke
ebon dew
yeah coloring with photoshop is an art within itself
rapid geode
most of the other software has standards. adobe made up their own.
we hired someone to hack aftereffects file IO actually to fix it.
but then we just stopped using it
ebon dew
yeah AE is complicated
ebon dew
always something you wish it could do that you end up writing a plugin for to automate.
i don't use it often enough to have an opinion on that. you working with animators i'm sure you do though
ebon dew
i use it for sprite effects and very basic eye candy
ebon dew
lol well you can use it for that too
the stock muzzle flashes are nice but get old quick. the smoke however is really good.
ebon dew
i guess that's one of the things about AE is if you're trying to do something specific you end up just doing it yourself as their assets become too basic too quickly.
rapid geode
everyone moved to nuke about 14 years ago
ebon dew
never heard of that
rapid geode
its more money and less stable, so naturally, thats what we wind up with
it was the only tool that did useful stereo work at the time, and the they got a foothold and...
now were stuck
ha
ebon dew
specialized composting. some very nice examples on the site. looks really high end.
that's how it is with any proprietary system. they make it easy to enter, hard to leave. like digital drug dealers. 😛
rapid geode
subscription only. keep jacking the price up
i dont want to know our software bill
its bad
haha
yeah real bad, just added up a couple things in my head haha
ebon dew
and people left netflix because of a couple bucks price hike. the problem with subscription services is when you add them all up everyone is broke.
rapid geode
ha, thats a slightly different kind of subscription
ebon dew
yeah just saying nickle and diming, if everyone does it then everyone is broke
rapid geode
autodesk just forced us to change from $1400/y per licence, which people shared, so $1400/y per PERSON. regardless of weather we use all the licenses at once
evil
ebon dew
microsoft was doing that with their server licensing
sql server licenses were per user and after windows 2000 went EOL they jacked the price up like 1000% per user
to force everyone to use azure instead of local hosts
adobe licensing prices are about the same as autodesk i think. i dunno i've been coveting my offline license for like a decade
ebon dew
hmm dunno it's just me, forgot about their per user license. yeah that would get expensive quick.
the operating cost for a graphics studio must be insane with the software licenses alone
rapid geode
yes
wages are still the biggest number, but, software is pretty insane. just multiply everythin by 100
haha
anyhow
back to house work
arctic folio
sql server licenses were per user and after windows 2000 went EOL they jacked th...
(postgres my beloved)
ebon dew
yeah i didn't have a choice for reasons beyond my control. the interface program we were using required sql server. the pricing wasn't bad when the server was made in like 2000 but around 2016 and introduction of windows 10 they really started turning the screws into sql server admins.
dusty timber
why would a SSD1306 OLED not display anything when it ACKs on the bus?
using the 128x64 OLED featherwing, and https://gist.github.com/1146c97c3fc4d75d848013d8c8c35044
oh, and running on ESP32-WROOM-32
jolly ether
hmm.. trying to find a really compact micro controller that really only needs a few digital and one analog i/o and can connect to SPI
and can run off 3.7v lipo
jolly ether
i'm also trying to find a dev board that uses the STM32F7x9, which has support for MIPI DSI displays
ebon dew
@jolly ether Gemma M0 can do SPI and run off a battery but it doesn't have a battery charging circuit. It can run circuit python but is severely limited on flash/ram, if your code is short and only need 1 pin it should do well.
jolly ether
you talking about that little mini SAMD21 board?
ebon dew
Dimensions: 27.95mm / 1.1" round x 6.4mm / 0.25" high
Weight: 2.1g
jolly ether
that isn't THAT much of an overhang over a 21700 cell
ebon dew
that's as small as it gets for battery + spi
jolly ether
that could almost be used as a driver board for a programmable flashlight
ebon dew
yeah candles, etc. designed for wearables
next size up is a feather. feathers have battery recharging circuits.
jolly ether
right now I am waiting on supplies I ordered to make a portable, wireless soldering iron powered off a 21700 battery.. the concern is these batteries deliver so many amps that it's going to be nearly impossible to find a heating element that won't immediately go nuclear without some kind of regulation
ebon dew
why diy when there are some excellent usb powered ones in the store
ebon dew
yeah i wouldn't know i've never used one
pretty sure there's no gemma m4. gemma m0 best you're gonna do before moving up to a feather
jolly ether
most are just a tip slapped onto a vape device and easily reach temperatures that lift pads.. which is why I'm thinking some kind of temperature regulation may be necessary.. that means building a thermocouple into a tip or heating element, feeding the reading of that thermocouple back into a micro controller, and using that micro controller to deliver a PWM signal to a MOSFET
ebon dew
sounds complicated to keep it small enough to be useful in your hands. might need a custom pcb made.
jolly ether
there are tips out there with built in thermocouples, such as what the TS-100 uses, but the elements in those are designed to operate at much lower amps, and higher voltages than what a 21700 can deliver... so those tips may not even be possible to use without some kind of a step-up that can deliver at least 12v @ 2 amps
ebon dew
something like this? https://learn.adafruit.com/usb-rechargeable-cordless-soldering-iron
jolly ether
yeah, I may need a custom PCB for it to put all that together
yeah, but look at the size of that thing.. and that's using the same cheap tips you find on the vape powered devices
that means zero temperature regulation outside of maybe a PWM
ebon dew
yeah looks unweildy and was designed for emergencies during a convention according to the article.
jolly ether
exactly
lately I've been using an MT-100 butane iron and even though there are issues with it, IMO, I find it more enjoyable to use than my TS-100 because it's compact, no wire to get snagged on anything, and it fits in the hand so well
i bought one of these just to test how well a dirt cheap butane iron would work.. and surprisingly, there's a lot of positives to it.. there just isn't any way to regulate temperature, and it'll run a full tank empty in about half an hour
ebon dew
yeah but charging butane is a pain, i had one for my car projects
if you do a lot of soldering a battery is more appealing but the weight isnt
there is no perfect solution
jolly ether
that's another issue.. it's probably not best to play around with butane while the tip is still hot enough to ignite it, so you have to stop, wait for it to cool down, and start again... if I can get something that feels similar in the hand to run off an 18650 or 21700, you could simply swap out the battery for one on the charger and keep going
ebon dew
think about long strips of pcb's to put components on around the battery. should help keep the length short.
jolly ether
that board you posted may actually fit right over the battery compartment for a 21700, which means the only thing I'd need to make room for would be a display, the buttons, and a MOSFET
ebon dew
however intentionally have a hot tip connected to an 18650 is dangerous enough to give anyone cause for concern with the design. if an 18650 blows up in your hand next to your face it could be life altering. probably why no one's got a product for it, too much liability.
jolly ether
the heat from the tip doesn't make it back that far typically
ebon dew
hmm ok, again i've never used a usb one. wish you luck on your project.
jolly ether
although if there is an additional I/O, it's possible to build a thermocouple behind the tip to send a shut-off signal if too much heat seeps back
yup, I already found the component that'll do that for me.. a resistor programmable temperature switch that can feed a high or low signal back to a digital I/O to act as an automatic shut-off
jolly ether
but, looking at that board more, it's not going to work
jolly ether
I'm just going to get a dev board with more pinouts to develop on, then make my own PCB for the final project
late fulcrum
hmm.. trying to find a really compact micro controller that really only needs a ...
The really small ones appear to the ancient PIC and 8051 chips in 8DFN, 10DFN, and 10MSOP packages. Maybe a PIC16F18313?
jolly ether
i'm probably just going to design a custom PCB at some point to fit all my needs, not sure which micro controller I will use for that though.. I have ESP32, ESP8266, RP2040, SAMD21... maybe I'll get an STM32 board or something to use for it
well, to develop on
ebon dew
a wifi soldering iron? i'm intrigued, go on.
ah you could use it to notify you when its up to temp through bluetooth. snazzy idea.
jolly ether
wifi? nah, i won't be using wifi
but I would like to use an ESP32 or STM32 or something for 8-bit console emulation, the only problem with those is they're almost all only SPI display interfaces which have a hard time driving a display of adequate resolution and aspect ratio, those are either 24-bit RGB or MIPI DSI
ebon dew
most boards will do I2C, you could use a small I2C OLED display
SPI is preferred because it's full duplex and I2C is half duplex.
for a soldering iron i think I2C would work fine, you're not going to be doing graphically intensive stuff with it.
late fulcrum
SPI is also faster due to bipolar drive.
jolly ether
SPI has a hard time driving higher resolutions at 60hz, and i need a display that can do multiples of 160x144.. that leaves me with 640x480 or 720x720 displays
dusty citrus
I heard that some manufacturers/distrubutors and whatever do avoid to certificate products, how can they do that? or is just a matter of waiting for the dogs, and once they do come, they either adapt or just disappear and reappear with another name?
late fulcrum
I'm not sure what you mean by certificate products. Do you mean something like UL, CE, or FCC certifications?
dusty citrus
I'm not sure what you mean by certificate products. Do you mean something like ...
yeah
jolly ether
i'm wondering what some of your opinions are on some of the common micro controllers out there.. like the STM32, ESP32, RP2040, etc stuff?
ebon dew
well i don't have any experience with the stm32 or rp2040 (yet) but I do have a couple ESP32's.
got the ESP32 V2 because the S3 was sold out. was interested in trying to get some bluetooth classic running on it. then discovered it can't run circuit python, doesn't show up as a USB drive, and is generally from an era before circuit python. i regret the purchase now as i've been completely spoiled by the ease of use from my nrf52840 with drag and drop functionality. eh just not my cup of tea anymore fighting with terminal commands for file transfers.
i am however keeping my eye on the stock for the ESP32 S3, they've been selling out quick. fully capable ESP32 for circuit python and a ton of flash and buffer. guarantee i'll be getting one when i can. i love my nrf52840 sense and i think the ESP32-S3 will be another great board for any project.
i have a macropad powered by an RP2040 on the way this week that i'm going to sit down with my brother and help him build for his birthday. looking forward to it.
tardy badger
got the ESP32 V2 because the S3 was sold out. was interested in trying to get so...
Look into MicroPython
Might give you some options since they support more boards that circuitpython
But they are mostly functionally the same
ebon dew
yeah i know it'll run micropython but it's not having the drag and drop that kinda killed my hopes and dreams
when i bought it i mistook the words micro python for circuit python.
i have a qt py S3 dev board on the way i'm looking forward to playing with instead.
tardy badger
when i bought it i mistook the words micro python for circuit python.
Oh gotcha
jolly ether
I would probably be more interested in ESP32 modules if there was a way to use them with something better than SPI.... maybe there's a solution to integer upscale an image SPI is capable of outputting, to a MIPI DSI or RGB strip display?
the base resolution generated is 160x144.. but because you can't really get displays of that resolution, you have to upscale that in integers until you find a display you can work with... that usually results in having to find something like a 720x720 display, and trim the excess off behind a shell/bezel or something
and those resolutions, at the necessary 60hz just isn't something SPI can handle
ebon dew
you'd rather display ESP32 output with RGB strips than use SPI? I don't understand the aversion to SPI.
there are plenty of compatible displays including e-ink. you don't have to go big.
jolly ether
it has to do with finding displays with a compatible size, resolution, and aspect ratio, usually resulting in having to step up to resolutions SPI don't drive well
for what I need it generally has to be between 2.3 to 3 inches
ebon dew
adafruit is pretty good about stocking displays that'll work with their boards.
ah then yeah for a breakout tft there's really only the 2.5" and 3.5" featherwing tft which are expensive
assuming you're using a feather form factor
jolly ether
i'm not using any form factor
ebon dew
or are you talking about only using the ESP32 module in a custom project?
jolly ether
it's very difficult to find square aspect ratios in anything above an inch or so
ebon dew
ah, yeah i don't have any experience with using the modules. different bag of worms i guess.
hearing that makes me glad i'm using feathers :/
sounds frustrating
yeah there's the 5", 7", and even a 10" 40 pin which of course requires another module driver board, super expensive.
jolly ether
the only square aspect ratios I can find are round displays, which won't work.. a 720x720 display which is MIPI DSI, and a 1440x1440 display, also MIPI
jolly ether
nope
ebon dew
have you tried digi-key? they stock a lot of stuff.
jolly ether
not with SPI at least
ebon dew
😦
ebon dew
yeah i learned that recently when i was daydreaming about a bigger TFT and quickly found i'd need that 40 pin controller board to power anything over 4"
jolly ether
if SPI was capable of driving higher resolutions in some kind of an integer upscale mode, that'd work, or if there was a MIPI DSI driver that could convert and upscale
ebon dew
well there's always a raspberry pi and hdmi
ladyada i think put out a video recently driving a raspberry pi with circuit python flashed onto it.
jolly ether
ya know.. I always thought HDMI to be a rather poor choice for the Pi Zero
candid summit
hello
jolly ether
the thing with the pi zero is it's the perfect size for something like a smart phone sized device, or a handheld gaming console, but only uses SPI, which for reasons I just explained, sucks for those things, or it uses HDMI, which is usually only going to be found in larger screens
ebon dew
yeah i hear you. why design a tiny zero and put hdmi on it especially when they have the bigger Pi 3 and 4.
jolly ether
there is something I may eventually do with a pi zero, that could use the HDMI screen.. that is, pair it to a 5.6" 640x480 display
but, when I get around to that I might just have it take a CM4 instead
ebon dew
interesting choice. seems you have specific tastes.
like you have a very specific project goal that isn't being met by a bunch of microcontrollers out there. intrigued what you're working on.
jolly ether
just a handheld gaming console that can handle 8-bit era stuff and have a display that doesn't require softening filters or inaccurate pixel stretching to work
it would be nice if an ESP32 or STM32, both of which could run the necessary emulators, could interface with a Q5 screen made to fit in something compact like a Game Boy Pocket shell
jolly ether
interesting.. watching someone generate a 640x480 VGA signal with a pi pico
arctic folio
The Pico's pios are excessively capable for doing stuff like that
Can control a whole 32 pin range with them which is pretty neat
arctic folio
(a minor irritation with the rp2040 feather I have is the gpio ranges are broken up for various things on the board which makes controlling large ranges slightly more difficult than it need be)
rapid geode
old cnc machines us CGA or other weird monitors. when they break you get to pay $4000 for another 40 year old one
arctic folio
If all those things were shoved into a small range at the start/end of the gpio it would be much improved
arctic folio
can you read a CGA signal and spit out VGA (or hdmi)
I would use an FPGA for that- and in fact there appear to be a variety of projects that have done so
To some degree the vga pio thing is more of a novelty than real useful thing
But it's still a thing
rapid geode
ive seen people try to sell adapters for a few grand
whole jacinth
people will pay a lot to get CRT scan line and phosphor emulation, it seems
rapid geode
well the problem is, if your cnc machine is down, you are held hostage.
i so see though some cheaper adapters. $50-$60
so maybe since i last looked (3-4 year ago) people have taken care of this
arctic folio
Fpgas are way cheaper now
rapid geode
oooh, seems they are a common thing for old arcades
arctic folio
I have a friend who is big into the "I wonder if I can hook up this old TV to this obscure hardware" field
rapid geode
ha, leave it to the geeks to fix this
arctic folio
And he does a lot of video conversion with fpgas
rapid geode
i knew some people that would buy rafts of Sun monitors and then rewire them to be vga. im not sure if that was just cabling or if they had active electronics.
whole jacinth
a lot of them were analog RGB with "interesting" connectors, so if you get the right scan rates, and have enough bandwidth, they would work
arctic folio
Thinking about those giant milled pin connectors on old networking equip
rapid geode
computers were already "normal" by the time i was a kid, but we used fo find stuff in the school like 12" flopies and huge hard discs (like bigger than 5.25)
our government commissioned custom computers for all schools too. that was weird
so nice that most things just work with each other now
late fulcrum
old cnc machines us CGA or other weird monitors. when they break you get to pay ...
I'd just use a converter or jeep an old TV.
late fulcrum
a lot of them were analog RGB with "interesting" connectors, so if you get the r...
Ah yes, the 13W3 connector. Nice monitors tho.
rapid geode
as mentioned, at the time, converters were thousands of dollars from cnc dealers.
late fulcrum
I'd just use the Shinybow multi-video converters from the far east.
rapid geode
they didnt exist
late fulcrum
When was this? Those things have been around for 30 years or so.
rapid geode
O_o
hm
not seeing any cga support on their site, and their stuff is expensive. so, it would be the same issue.
anyhow, the point is, the issue seems to be "solved" now with the little arcade converter boards
late fulcrum
Yeah, converters are now commodity products. I used to buy the Shinybow ones for $39 apiece, they'd take composite CGA just fine, but some of the RGBI ones needed an intermediate conversion.
rapid geode
this is they typica scam we have to deal with (thats for my old machine)
im gonna go with no
ha
late fulcrum
Yeah, I wouldn't bother with those things. I'd either put an open frame monitor in a box (in earlier times) or an LCD panel in a thinner box (these days)
rapid geode
if i still had the machine, id just 3d prints a frame for a waveshare type 12" hdmi screen and a little adapter
$200, problem solved
late fulcrum
Yup
rapid geode
im not sure what to do for a new cnc machine now. (big one). do i try to rebuild another used one, or just lease a cheap new one.
late fulcrum
I'm amused the SB-3860 is marked down from $495 to $25, I guess there aren't many people buying them these days.
rapid geode
b stock. probably the last one kicking around the office since 1987
ha
(looks old)
late fulcrum
Yeah, it's the same design as the SB-3690s I used to use back in the 1990s, just white plastic instead of grey.
late fulcrum
Yum. Hope it runs Linux.
late fulcrum
Heh. I used to replace hard drives with CF cards in old CNC controllers so the vibration wouldn't kill them, but I didn't spend that kind of cash on them!
late fulcrum
I have some bad news for you: most companies are worse than Apple.
rapid geode
yeah, sadly. they just kinda hide it
Got all excited saw a used NASA cnc machine... sadly its just a brand name. Not actual space man gear.
late fulcrum
The only NASA stuff I've managed to obtain are a computer terminal, power supply, and some spares from satellite programs.
ebon dew
are memes disallowed here?
late fulcrum
Oh, and one old oscilloscope with a NACA property tag
rapid geode
i have nasa curiosity cad files
somewhere
did a discovery companion documentary on it
did a few of those. the ison comet and the new horizons one.
but they didnt have cool rovers
haha
tardy badger
dang, i found this really cool RTC from Abracon that has it's 32.786kHz crystal integrated and uses I2C. all for about $4.50 a piece
I bet Adafruit has a breakout
oh darn they don't/
guess I need to make one
ebon dew
i think the only rtc they have is on the adalogger?
tardy badger
no, they have like two main chips they use
ebon dew
hmm there's a chip yeah https://www.adafruit.com/product/3013
tardy badger
or more than 2 sorry
but they have a number of them.
anyway, this one is really small package wise
rapid geode
posts vanishing before my eyes
ebon dew
yeah i figured they're inappropriate, i deleted my own messages.
rapid geode
ah ok
tardy badger
i'm putting it on my little RP2040 watch i'm designing
i've got some TFT displays from another project left over so i figured, why not a little 1.3" display pico watch
super simple, time keeping... maybe put snake or something on it
ebon dew
hmm the chip is probably the smallest one though i don't know about the abracon one you mentioned.
ahhh rtc for a watch i get it now. if all it has to do is keep time then design your own pcb for it?
tardy badger
anyway, RTC i linked is pretty neat and nice small form factor.
breakout would be for writing driver code
because I do my own driver code from time to time on parts Adafruit hasn't supported yet
rapid geode
anyone want to make me a pi controlled drywall mud robot? by tomorrow? for free?
no? ok.
haha
rapid geode
its a something
ebon dew
best i can do on such short notice is a rotary mud slinger
rapid geode
actually the mudding isnt so bad. the sanding is the nightmare
ebon dew
can you mud over painted walls? i moved into a house that's gotta have like 10 coats of different paint on it. can you sand latex paint?
rapid geode
hmmm. might need a prep coat. i know thinset sticks to acrylic. but not sure about gypsum
ebon dew
the orange peel texture on the walls is so thick they look like textured walls at first.
rapid geode
my walls are "original' drywall. like, the very first kind invented in the 40s. so its the thin drywal, and still 1/8"+ plaster all over. then some paint, then a few layers of walpaper. horrible. haha. i ripped out every single wall though. so now its all new
ebon dew
so plaster with horsehair?
rapid geode
hmm. no, dont think so.
but it is a coat, vs the skimming on joints we do these days
ebon dew
i used to live in an old house that had legit plaster walls, they used to use horsehair as a binder.
rapid geode
drywall was invented to replace lath, not be surface
yeah, other houses i looked at were older, and all plaster on lath over brick
kinda glad i didnt get one
haha
ebon dew
they had thin slats as a backing material, dunno how to describe it.
ebon dew
windows had those 10lb weight things built into the sills
rapid geode
the slats are called lath
ebon dew
ah
rapid geode
not many houses here have old windows. for canada reasons. tooo cold haha
my windows are from the 80s
ebon dew
house im in now is from the 60's. so many issues.
updated the wiring. it was still on those old bulb style breakers.
fuses i should say
rapid geode
mine has the old fuse box. i put in a new panel next to it, when im ready i just repatch the outside wire to the new panel.
ebon dew
that's a smart idea
rapid geode
but thats a "thing". (upgrading to 200A etc)
ebon dew
there's always a thing to do with old houses
rapid geode
my houses main issue is the floor. broken joists, sagging 2" in one spot. bouncy. i cant get under the house though (12' crawlspace at most) so ive basically put 1.5" of plywood/osb on top.
with 3" screws
into the joists
ebon dew
does it creak?
rapid geode
it seems to have worked pretty well
ebon dew
on one hand creaky floors can get annoying, on the other no one is sneaking up on you.
rapid geode
its solid and level now, but you still have things rattling if you jump around
ebon dew
that sounds disconcerting
rapid geode
my house in BC would vibrate wen busses drove by. (city build on sand)
ebon dew
i'm in florida, everything in the state is built on sand 😛
ebon dew
if you want to go to the beach just dig down a foot. it's alllll beach sand.
once i dug down as far as i could just to see what it was like. got about 10 feet down and it's all just beach sand.
rapid geode
here, dig 600ft, still sand
ebon dew
looks like course sand
rapid geode
my house was on the top
ebon dew
oh geez, that looks precarious
also anything that isn't flat looks like a mountain to me
rapid geode
it erodes. bike trails diappear after rains
ebon dew
looks like a disaster waiting to happen like living on a volcano
rapid geode
but, tho houses are a few ways back, for a few km. but the point is, its all sand, everywhere.
excavation is easy
ebon dew
bet it had a pretty view tho
rapid geode
haha
shovel
basement done in an hour
view was good, i had a ski hill across the street
haha
ebon dew
yeah you go more than 10 feet down here and you're hitting water
most places in fl can't have basements
rapid geode
where i am now is the revers. still on the top of a cliff. but its niagara falls.
haha
about 50km down the ledge
rapid geode
im on rock.
ebon dew
everywhere has its own unique issues
rapid geode
12" of dirt over rock
ebon dew
get a jack hammer and make a fallout shelter?
rapid geode
ha
ebon dew
i've always wanted to do that
ebon dew
it would be a perk of living on a big rock
design the floor to slope out?
i dunno, i've daydreamed far too many times about living like a hobbit
rapid geode
my house is about 1km off to the right. so you can see the rock profile. layers. the water in the waterfall is coming from INSIDE the rocks
ebon dew
omg that's to die for
rapid geode
never looks that nice when im there, haha
ebon dew
that's a special slice of paradise
rapid geode
yeah, its kinda considered a crappy city, but the part im in at least landscape wise is nice
ebon dew
if something like that was here you'd have to fight gators to swim there
rapid geode
haha
not sure what lives in there.
besides mosquitoes
its very crowded too. if i go biking theres like 500 people walking in my way
ebon dew
worth it
rapid geode
ha
pure haven
@rapid geode that picture looks like Albany Falls.
pure haven
Yes it is, that's why I'm in the house with the AC on.
rapid geode
I like this AC thing. very useful
pure haven
i have pictures that I have taken of most of the waterfalls in the city. Around 100 of them so far.
rapid geode
i need to go out with my good camera. celphone sucks. haha
pure haven
Yes a good camera and lens along with some time exposure goes a long way.
rapid geode
theres a nice creek at the bottom on red hill (golf course i think) will make nice pics
i need to explore more all around
pure haven
I drive up and down the Red Hill often.
rapid geode
mostly ive ridden the rail trail in a loop, and some of the off road trails around red hill
but i think there supposed to be cool stuff toward ancaster
pure haven
Along most of the escarpment you can find nice areas and trials, the waterfront also has some nice areas.
late fulcrum
I'm amused how much area is taken up by connectors and buttons
tardy badger
I'm amused how much area is taken up by connectors and buttons
Yeah, despite choosing edge connected right angle buttons for user inputs lol
arctic folio
what software out of curiosity? I feel the need to pick up a pcb editor
tardy badger
Eagle CAD
arctic folio
last pcb I did in inkscape of all things but that was a decade ago
late fulcrum
It's a reasonable consequence of the compact layout
arctic folio
would you go with eagle cad again starting from zero?
rapid geode
eagle is part of fusion right?
arctic folio
same license
tardy badger
Technically yes, but I use it independently from fusion
rapid geode
ah ok
arctic folio
still different software package isn't it
rapid geode
i kinda glanced at it when they bought it.
tardy badger
For now it is
late fulcrum
If I had to start again today, I'd opt for KiCAD
tardy badger
Same, KiCAD is free and getting pretty much on par with eagle
arctic folio
good enough reason for me
I noticed the other day that f360 is running a docker daemon and other stuff
it's made out of a bunch of docker containers apparently lmao
late fulcrum
And you can (theoretically at least) modify it to suit your preferences
arctic folio
I regret learning f360 as my first cad software
rapid geode
why?
arctic folio
yeah if they come from other CAD
but having no actual training or history with cad it's great
rapid geode
fair
arctic folio
trivial to pick up and learn with no training
and it allows you to do illegal operations which is sometimes handy
mind you it allows you to footgun yourself all over the place
rapid geode
ha
arctic folio
perfectly happy to let you build everything in one component and just mess everything up
arctic folio
but then it has weird restrictions and issues all over the place
rapid geode
main issue i have with fusion is after so many steps it grinds to a halt. several minutes to select a line etc
arctic folio
like for example making a helix sketch
there isn't a way to do it
the suggested way is to use the coil tool and then grab one of its lines
or making a surface texture
rapid geode
O_o
arctic folio
and the constraint solver just fuggs itself at a certain load
like I did a swiss lever watch escapement for a print
still working on that one actually
and it is 100% all parametrized properly but whenever I change a paramater it just fails somewhere in the middle
but if I change the paramater just a little it works fine
so I can't go 1-2
but I can go 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, ... 2
which is about the most asinine nonsense I have ever heard in my life
rapid geode
it is because there are multiple solutions
dumb
the constrains need work
a lot of work
arctic folio
nah man I did it all right
rapid geode
sw has some issue to, but it inherited it all from catia so they had a leg up... or 9
arctic folio
I also like it's workflow better where I can from the start work with multiple components
rapid geode
i like catia, but noone can afford that haha
arctic folio
whereas SW really wants every part to be a distinct project which eventually get combined
rapid geode
sw hasnt needed disctinct parts since 2014
but i think it still keeps them distinct even when in the same file
where fusion its all one mess
arctic folio
oh also f360 until like, 3 months ago didn't have a way to arbitrarily subdivide a line
rapid geode
oh, adding points?
arctic folio
ie I couldn't take a line and say, "point 2/3rds along the path"
because you couldn't reference driven dimensions properly in a formula
rapid geode
oh right, cause basically its a loop between the 2
arctic folio
but it used to be when you plugged a driven dimension into a formula it would just copy the current value of the driven dimension
also I'm not talking about anything cyclical
arctic folio
but prior to that recent change it wouldn't reference the DD - but instead just copy the value
which was infuriating
so you had to solve such things geometrically
which fwiw is done like this...
rapid geode
my main use for fusion is making parts to be cnc'd or printed. so usually dont run into too many issues like that
when i use it for film stuff, i can sometimes go down a hole
haha
arctic folio
two parallel and equal length lines at both ends of the line
and then do the ratio on those
draw a line between the points
and that's how you did this in fusion until a couple months ago
arctic folio
free*
arctic folio
they removed cam from free fusion
arctic folio
also heres what the sketch to make a swiss lever escapement looks like
oh maybe I'm wrong I thought they removed it with their license changes
rapid geode
they did add in a few limits
like rapid moves
things to discourage production shops from using the free one
rapid geode
if they removed cam it would be useless and abandoned in a day
arctic folio
its largest market currently is 3d printers I think
rapid geode
this is the most complex thing ive done in fusion.
arctic folio
yep that's complicated
arctic folio
I've been having a lot of fun with my resin printer after fixing it
rapid geode
resin would be ideal for this, but id need 1000's of pieces
arctic folio
the hobbyist <10k ones are really super not equipped to make mechanical parts by default
arctic folio
like my prints were coming off shrunk by ~.8 mm
like just missing height
turns out this is due to backlash in the stepper system
rapid geode
ah yeah
late fulcrum
I've had a decent experience designing sheet metal parts in Fusion to be cut and bent
arctic folio
I need to learn the sheet metal ui
Oh that's the other thing that's really nice in fusion
The mesh bodies and surfaces menus
Those are great
late fulcrum
The folks at SendCutSend have some good Fusion sheet metal tutorials
rapid geode
my friend works at a sheet metal shop with a cnc punch. he uses SW though
fusions mesh module is meshmixer
i use it a lto
lot
rapid geode
oh, t splines
'form"
yeah, thats is cool, but that type of modelling ill just do in 3dsmax
arctic folio
Yeah the form menu
tardy badger
I love when someone goes through the effort to write an Arduino library for the part you selected. https://github.com/ideo/Abracon_RTC_Arduino_Library
Now I just need to port it to circuitpython and it’ll be good 😌
it's not like... the same part but it should work well enough to make a functional driver
night crescent
The Desk of Ladyada -Yet Another Stemma & Seesaw Sunday - PCF8574 & PC Joystick https://youtu.be/nMv20bmsP0I
restive imp
Does it matter which way the live and neutral wires go on an ac connector? The other end is connected to an lrs-100-12 volt switching mode power supply
wanton thistle
So digikey is down as of 7:33AM EST 😐 nvm, fixed
wanton thistle
If you look on the connector it might have "H" or "L" or "N". H is hot, L or N is neutral.
but no
late fulcrum
Does it matter which way the live and neutral wires go on an ac connector? The o...
It matters on a polarized connector, but that looks like maybe an ISO 320 C8 or C2, which is not polarized.
potent lion
Hey people, I've been curios if there is a rf remote, which can also receive. It would be cool, if the remote gives feedback for signal received after pushing a button, is there something like that?
vestal pier
it can somewhat matter if you're wiring up a power switch that only switches one line. In general you want to switch the hot
whole jacinth
yeah, for stuff like light fixtures you want the more easily accidentally touched (e.g., screw thread) terminal to be neutral instead of hot
tardy badger
If you love mark rober’s engineering videos, he’s hiring lol https://twitter.com/MarkRober/status/1541415768381874182?s=20&t=QBthXtKsNeDb6uYCQ8lQIA
Or his company is rather
rapid geode
neat
seems like a fun product design job cause every "product" will be mental
haha
in a good way
err
what is up with the censoring here, i typed "can we make the bottle red" and that got deleted....
and now i guess its fine
weird
ha
maybe they need to hire a better bot programmer here 🙂
whole jacinth
i would personally be dubious about work-life balance at a company named Crunch Labs
static flare
How difficult do you think it would be to modify a multimeter to accept the plugs from the bottom (or use a different connector)?
rapid geode
not 100% sure i get the question
you just want to move them?
like right angle (per the pcb) vs up?
static flare
yeah
rapid geode
youd need to see how the connectors mount. they might be replacable, drill some new holes.
repalcable rith right angle version i mean
but... there might not be room
whole jacinth
difficulty probably varies a lot depending on the design and how much extra room there is on the PCB or housing
you'd probably compromise calibration and safety ratings, in case you care about those
rapid geode
ooh, calibration. yes, that might mess up the ohm readings
stray wind
Just got laid off
Oof. I'm really sorry to hear that.
tardy badger
Gotta find a new job so positive vibes appreciated if you’ve got them
frigid tiger
I’m sure you’ll do fine just need to update your resume
stray wind
There's no "positive" emoji. So I picked toe beans because they're pretty great.
rapid geode
pizza is the positive emoji, although in this case you dont want to imply pizza delivery jobs
wanton thistle
That sucks :(. It will all work out though, and you should get unemployment.
real falcon
good luck on job hunting
rapid geode
what do you actualy do for a job?
can always move to canada 😛 https://www.rsvfx.com/careers/
tardy badger
lol I was an embedded engineer
rapid geode
ahhhh
tardy badger
before that a software engineer in defense communications
rapid geode
k, we probably dont have much need for that (although, not non zero)
real falcon
too bad anything that can be remote work, im not qualified for lol. im not for any of that jobs too lol
rapid geode
haha
our jobs are.. weird. to most people.
a lot of niche sofware and systems
Also we have life size dinosaurs.
... apply... we wont feed you to the t rex, i swear....
arctic folio
tardy badger
Lol
rapid geode
it keeps playing and i am still confused
i feel like my video is broken
haha
I actually do have a bike thing i want to make with electronics. if you see the bike in my picture. the rear derailleur (gear shifter) is electronic. but its a closed source can bus and its all over price. $300 for batteries, $50 for each little wire. I want to make my own with an open protocol.
arctic folio
ebikes? in this economy?
frigid tiger
I have a 2 stroke motor on my bike
rapid geode
but an ebike of similar "level" to my regular bike is like $15000
the cheap ebikes are junk in other words
i wouldnt trust them down a hill
haha
also bikes just jumped like 30% in price this year
thanks covid
arctic folio
my hobby:
replying to things with "in this economy?"
frigid tiger
The future is autonomous ebikes with no handle bars
wanton thistle
lol I was an embedded engineer
Would freelance work be up your alley?
tardy badger
I do freelance work from time to time, it’s just not entirely consistent
wanton thistle
have you used Upwork at all?
tardy badger
I have an account but I’ve never successfully used it
I’ve mostly done design and assembly work for other makers
wanton thistle
Ahhh I looked into it briefly and was wondering about it
basically for the same reasons you stated above
tardy badger
I’m going to be trying to do a crowd supply campaign on a product I know works, I just need to finish some cad files for the case and whatnot
wanton thistle
I'll send a few bucks your way when its time then
tardy badger
It’s a cute little watch
Probably could add features to it too
Maybe a pdm mic or a little piezo speaker
Add it as like a little sub board
wanton thistle
GPS, Compass, memory, temp/light sensor for datalogging
rapid geode
a watch to tell time, or a smart watch type thing?
how is my phone battery going down while charging?
sigh
tardy badger
a watch to tell time, or a smart watch type thing?
Kind of both. It can be a dumb watch or it can be smart and play games and stuff
wanton thistle
but can it run Crysis joke
tardy badger
Lol
wanton thistle
or doom
cosmic oasis
Howdy y’all 
I hail from Texas and I joined today because my youngest brother and I are looking to increase our knowledge on circuitry and programming. He’s more into for the hoppy and retro gaming part of it. I’m in it for that also, but predominantly for being more handy around the homestead and want to make my own creations so I don’t have to pay thousands for something like an irrigation system for a greenhouse and such. Anywho, I have several Pis (3/4) and Zero Ws from before the shortages started. Brother and I ordered a handful of picos and tbh I’m more excited for the picos 
my job also is very near to the electronics and physics portion of fuel delivery, if I understood frequencies and currents better as a passion, I can excel to even greater heights at my job and in the future.
Td;lr thanks for building this discord before I got here 
I promise to do my best to help others as soon as I get good.
honest jolt
Do you all use insert on your keyboard? If so, how many apps actually support it properly?
tardy badger
Do you all use insert on your keyboard? If so, how many apps actually support it...
I’ve never used insert lol.. I can’t think of I time I ever needed it
static flare
It’s a cute little watch
I remember a time where looking at one of these would confuse me, but now I'm able to guess at least some of what goes where
tardy badger
Is Twitter down for anyone?
tidal flame
works fine for me
tardy badger
Huh.. mobile Twitter on my phone won’t load
rapid geode
twitter needs to die
dusty citrus
does exist something like a cheap filter or something that when it's hitten by light by a projector, does display the image in the back
basically what I want to do, is a display like thing, but with the size of my window, so you can see from outside the images displayed
but actual displays of that size would be expensive
dusty citrus
idk looks expensive or out of stock
then maybe an array of led or something will do, but it will be bad res 😓
whole jacinth
a white bedsheet probably does in a pinch, depending on what quality you'll tolerate
thick wind
Daylight visible displays usually use LED matrices. Not cheap, though.
whole jacinth
looks like you can buy stuff that'll stick onto existing glass https://www.decorativefilm.com/specialty-rear-projection
light harbor
tardy badger
The reasons you maintain good relationships with employers is being able to call and ask for your old job back
tardy badger
lol
luckily my employer before the one I got laid off from is a large multinational defense contractor.. not my preferred line of work but I don't have many choices in the short timeline I have
need to be working by mid july to not fall behind on rent and other bills
frigid tiger
Sounds interesting, I bet you’ve worked on lots of cool projects making a real impact on the world
tardy badger
Probably lol
tardy badger
my work is usually a negative impact on the world
Architecture?
tardy badger
Ah lol
stray wind
Howdy y’all <a:CH_PikaWave:730367301563711569> I hail from Texas and I joined to...
Welcome! All of that is possible. Check out the Adafruit Learn System (https://learn.adafruit.com) as well for project ideas, parts-usage guides, and more. Folks on Discord are available to help you along the way with any questions you may have. Note that most folks here are community members volunteering their time around other obligations, so when you do ask, choose a channel, post in that channel only, and please be patient. 🙂 Glad to have you here, and good luck!
late fulcrum
does exist something like a cheap filter or something that when it's hitten by l...
I have used waxed paper as a translucent screen like that, worked reasonably well.
cosmic oasis
Welcome! All of that is possible. Check out the Adafruit Learn System (https://l...
I’ll be learning tonight since it all came in today 
dusty citrus
I accidently slept without my consent again...
rapid geode
TOYS!
dusty citrus
Only slept 5h last night so I wanted to nap but I can't even remember what happened
Like I'm surprised that I woke up in bed ....
frigid tiger
Waking up from a nap is always disorienting, wondering whether it’s morning or not
rapid geode
i used to take naps when i was a kid and wake up and see 8 on the clock and start rushing to get to shcool...
while my mom is putting out dinner going. ummmmm
these days i can usually just guess the time within 30 mins
dusty citrus
Like if there had been a robber he could have told me, sorry you died welcome to heaven and I would have believed it 🤣
rapid geode
haha
well, i mean, you did. this is all a dream
your dreams are boring af
well, putting in a formal request for work to buy me an xbox controller seems to have worked
ha
my job is weird sometimes
"why is x's office always locked?" "oh cause we keep all the weapons in there"
dusty citrus
but if we need them and it's locked?! what's the logic
dusty citrus
What if there is a sudden soviet invasion ?
rapid geode
well, we would have bigger time loop problems at that point
and honestly, a dull katana probably isnt going to do you much good vs a cruise missile
i mean, id still film you giving it a go, dont get me wrong
dusty citrus
or an AI-controlled android suddendly going maneater. Would rather have an hammer
rapid geode
dont be so unrealistic. ai robots are always vegan
blissful roost
All the more reason to be suspicious..... 😒
rapid geode
funniest thing with her (coworker) is when i brought cheesecakes in and she said "why didnt you make them vegan?" and another guy walked by and said "cause they are good cheesecakes"
then she went ans sulked with her kale
haha
blissful roost
Pwnt
blissful roost
Bacon, fixes everything.
rapid geode
nah, but she did fight a lot about the dinners bought by the office (usually pizza)
vegetarian is easily done, vegan, not to much
when buying for a gorup
like she wont even eat honey
blissful roost
We always have vegan and non-pork options on pizza days.
rapid geode
we have lots of indian people so the veggie / non pork is normal.
vegan just gets too tricky
blissful roost
Yarp
rapid geode
"heres a turnip"
"was the turnip grown in a field of unicorns?"
"no
ha
but yes, bacon fixes everything
hmm. tonight i think im going to do spaghetti and tomato sauce with fresh basil and mushrooms. thats kinda vegan
blissful roost
Rather
rapid geode
oh, wait, the romano and parm and cream....
:x
haha
none for madison, more for me!
blissful roost
My biggest concern would be the lack of protein.
I can't/won't eat pulses.
blissful roost
Peas, beans, etc
rapid geode
ahhhh
i like peas, but not much else for that type of plant
i usually only eat peas with rice and pork
but im growing some sugar peas. i can eat those raw like a snack
blissful roost
My wife cooks chili with kidney beans.. I'm there just picking out all the beans before I eat.
rapid geode
haha
blissful roost
Best thing about that is, it cools down enough that I just scoff it when all the beans are gone. 😛
rapid geode
haha
i have 20 pepper plants, and i dont even like peppers
gotta figure out what to do with them
besides just giving em away
dusty citrus
As a rule they should name food after human parts, make me suspicious
ie: kidney beans
Or name things after things they aren't made with (ie:truffle oil or turtle cake)
rapid geode
you havent had my home made turtle cake
but isnt truffle oil made from truffles?
oh, it is fake
lame
next thing youll be telling me baby bells are made from neither babies nor bells.
dusty citrus
you havent had my home made turtle cake
I'd rather not eat turtles 🤣
rapid geode
yer missing out
dusty citrus
In France they have something called "Hotel Dieu" for general hospitals. Literally "God Hotel"
Obviously they are neither hotel nor god is there
rapid geode
wanton thistle
you know Id really like to know where all these PIC micro controllers are used because according the the web, no body uses them lol
I havent seen them in any device Ive taken apart, unless they get re-branded
dusty citrus
they are used with industrial controls
I have books here for people who work in these industry that only uses them as examples of circuits in the basic electronics / programming books
you don't see them in consumer devices for the same reason you don't see arduinos
wanton thistle
I know industrial controls on its own is a very broad category but I cant imagine 8 bit PICs being used for a VFD 🤔
dusty citrus
can do too much vs the price
there is another tech associated with tech that starts with P too but I forget the name all the time
wanton thistle
Pneumatics?
dusty citrus
no it's 3 letters too
wanton thistle
hmm
dusty citrus
ah PIC and PLC
wanton thistle
Oh those lol
dusty citrus
PLC are made with several PIC they are kinda like "industrial motherboards"
wanton thistle
I think PLCs uses specific ASICs though
Because I could pull out the AB CPU and look at it, and its non-descript
and I think the question came up on reddit at one point
PLCs are another thing that have crazy lead times and whats worse is your waste waster and fresh water depend on them not breaking down 👀
dusty citrus
They are also more robust/durable than normal microcontroller
wanton thistle
Yeap 🙂
dusty citrus
can resist all this dust/temperature etc
wanton thistle
Ive seen PLCs from the 90s being held together by bungee cords
👀 they were making screws though but the machine would forget the program if the power went out lol
dusty citrus
most old school electronics peoples I meet advise me to get a 8-bit PIC because it can do a lot but since it's not compatible with arduino (only 2-3 models could be)
static flare
local store is selling toaster ovens for less than $20 a pop
wanton thistle
I use 8 bits myself. Ive used 16 bit dsPICs because they had a built in decoder for rotary encoders. I began to write a series of tutorials for them a few years ago.
and right now the 8 Bit PICs have such a rich feature set, its crazy. Multiple 16 bit PWM channels, along with the usual UART + SPI and other comms
dusty citrus
I mean besides that there is probably the same reasons PIC survive as 30-yr flukes models you have to buy brand new for lot of money
wanton thistle
and some have 12BIT ADCs on board
dusty citrus
And I mean the electronics books for industrial electronics I was mentionning only talks about PIC and PLC. They are made by the state so everybody who is trained to be an industrial technician will probably not even have heard of arduinos etc..
wanton thistle
hmm
dusty citrus
Sometimes I'd like the toughness of a PLC when doing stuff. Like these huge plugs, the hard plastic, the temperature range etc as they are meant for unskilled workers to plug/use
If I was starting a factory even with my experiences on a different range of hobbyist boards from this casing alone and the thoughness of the connectors I can tell that this will probably handle a wide range of temperature/vibrations/tri-phase voltage etc much better
wanton thistle
Automation direct actually has a PLC that uses arduino
wanton thistle
If I was starting a factory even with my experiences on a different range of hob...
These are ferrules. Expensive. yes they look nice, but they are a PITA to do.
actually if you wanted to get started with PLCs, theres a somewhat affordable option to do so: The lowest cost PLC is like $100. Their software is free
a bit clunky but...its OK
dusty citrus
I mean I did a business plan for a sushi factory once and the machines were like 60k$ each, the PLC to automate it were at 3-4k$. If I actually did it I'd look more into it but the 1st criteria would probably not be affordability on the PLC but meeting requirements of the machine, safety and performance
dusty citrus
I guess the 3rd would be local services as my cities has several allen bradley distributors/installers/service centers etc
wanton thistle
Their PLCs are as old as I am and they are currently running some of our most crucial infrastructure 😬
I hate to say it but all it would take is for one natural disaster like a flood to cause an even bigger disaster
dusty citrus
One of the company here even do consulting (and the only way I could start a sushi factory would be the lottery - so I wouldn't know anything) where they take care of everything from buying the machine to making a OSHA compliant plan and starting it so it's compliant with OSHA
dusty citrus
I mean I'd need help to even get an industrial power plan
since they asks for amperes-hours and some other weird units that I have no idea what they means
rapid geode
O_o
dusty citrus
I'd probably visit a factory in places with less legalities like africa/india because they have to be ressourceful and exchange an hands-on tutorial for an investment. Know a couple of guys from my university days I studied with from togo and DR congo that would probably be happy to help
rapid geode
plcs are getting mostly replaed with full on linux/arm systems
wanton thistle
not from what I see
dusty citrus
I doubt it too, linux isn't true realtime
wanton thistle
(its my day job)
wanton thistle
CNCs still use em too
dusty citrus
true realtime is really important for industrial use
wanton thistle
also I gotta head off to bed
rapid geode
my cnc's dont have no plcs
wanton thistle
Managed to find some microcontrollers so I had to place an order. FOMO is real 😐
dusty citrus
windows still have 32 systems queues over the 32 queues used for user apps and a quanta of 10/15ms no? and linux have something similar
wanton thistle
my cnc's dont have no plcs
FANUC? Mitsubishi? Those are PLCs but also servo systems too
AB has the same
rapid geode
brother, an older maho. both were "pc"
wanton thistle
also depends on what type of CNC 😉 Ive only had experience with grinders
wanton thistle
circular (centerless) grinders
dusty citrus
If tri-phase 420V isn't involved probably don't need PLC or an OSHA document and locks
wanton thistle
Oh you still need OSHA
rapid geode
new brother cnc' snow just use micro atx motherboards too
osha is involved if humans interact with it i think, no matter that it is
(no osha here
but we have a similar thing
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ah in my state we have an exception with our OSHA things for a factory with less than 5 employees outside certain industries or for 120/240V devices as these are considered "consumer devices"
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so you don't need an OSHA supervisor / qualified technician for the initial energizing of a non tri-phase device
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j/k
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nah canada 😄
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canada doesnt have states, or 480v
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It's simpler to explain using US terminology obviously
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when on an american site/chat
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600v ftw
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If I say provinces or WSPS everyone just get confused
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robertson screwdrivers
haha
anyhow, real plc's are going the way of the dodo in cnc. My friend got a little siemens 808da powered cnc and while it had ladder logic functions, it is i believe emulated in the "pc" side
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A the makerspace I got to you have to do work safety training with the WSPS to use the machines as a hobbyist 😄
I was a bit surprised
that's why we have to pay 60$ for it
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noone wants to take the blam if you shoot your eye out
my cnc has no safety features whatsoever
not even limit switches
😛
(its not finished, just wired for testing)
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you can also rent security gloves/security glasses if you don't have a decent brand but I bought some 3M ski mask type safety googles, not using them enough to buy the gloves yet though
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and generally in Canada despite being less "sue-happy" industrial companies have an unwritten rule to not sell to someone who don't seem to know what they are using
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well, ok, not nitrile ones
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gloves are for the metal shop not the wood one
because you have to hold very hot items/get near them etc
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gloves are an easy way to get an arm ripped off
ask my uncle
oh, wait, no hes dead
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That is the first thing they told us, no gloves in the wood shop because the machine can use it to eat you
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metal shop will do the same. same rules. no fabric or leather gloves.
at the machines
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my dad used a gell of some sort
well, thats a different kind of machine
im more talking about milling turning drilling etc
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The wood machines don't turn that fast too, I was surprised we have to touch the wood while it's turning on a table lathe
Like I had to sandpaper the piece while it's turning and touch it to know if it's soft/round enough
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you do the same with meta for deburring etc. but usually not quite as hands on
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And not having gloves sucked because even when sandpapering wood it gets hot and the wood chips do too when aggressively using a chisel type tool
It's mostly the saws I'm scared off 😄
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try turning 4140ht on a manual lathe. the neighbours 5 doors down will hear the sceams as the chips hit your face
never need to be scared, just fully understand the tool and know what will hurt you
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Also I bought a corded drill and it's much more powerful than the cordless ones they have at the makerspace (I bring mine) and I used it for the 1st time there and it almost flew off 🤣
For context before a month ago I never used a machine like these or powered tools
So that is all completely new to me
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my friend had a commercial SCM table saw, and it could kick back a 2x4 through a wall. so, you dont stand behind it. hahha
my little scary machine eating some metal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbF_cRqW1uU&t=5s
hehe
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yeah that all scare me a bit but with the shortage of different things, inflation etc I really need to learn to repair stuff
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i sold my big cncs when i moved. i need to now find a new ones.
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that's why I bought a drill (not very useful atm but it's a basic for repairing stuff / installing stuff (having the option to screw things in the wall) and it's more of an "enabler" than actual needs
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but i only have single phase
drills are useful. in repairing my hosue, i have slowly bought every tool haha.
still need a bandsaw
but i kinda have everythign esle
(not always the best quality)
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If I had the money to buy this kind of CNC i'd probably get like an hakko soldering robot instead 😄
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ha
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can't even solder very small boards like an esp8266 d1 because I can't even see the contacts 😄
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cnc's are expensive. even the crappy ones.
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Yeah I know. Normally when I talk to an hobbyist they take their 500$ one is the top thing 🤣
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And I'm like dude, that's an entry level desk one. Even 10000$ is entry-level when talking about CNCs that can do something deep and work fast on uniphase/tri-phase
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the little one in my video i have spent about $10000 on. (i designed it).
and i would call it a very good toy
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Like my university has a decent one that can handle several depth and a bit of speed (but is relatively slow but that's fine for their amount of work) and it's 60k$
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but, toy nonetheless
the smallest hass (whihc i may end up buying) is 45kusd
thats the bottom for "pro" machines
which is sad
ha
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Meanwhile we visited an aerospace repair shop and they had a 1m$ one because it need to be really really accurate
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cause i aint got 45k
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And their machines had more buttons than the apollo 11 shuttle
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yeah, i bought a used one from goodyear, (made tire moulds) and in the paperwork it has the original price. $224000 usd, in 1987
when i got it, it was broken down and worth scrap
i tried to fix it, found out that the repair parts are like $20000. parted it out and ran
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oh yeah I remember they laughed when I said they had big solder wire spools
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haha
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but they call it welding 😄
when they need to add metals to things after removing metal(??)
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mig welding uses spools
robot mig welding is what you see in most factories that make sheet metal things.
(not really cars though)
you can get a used one for like $500. but its hard to get it to work again
slowly they are being replaced with laser welding robots
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Have someone who is still in the industry at the makerspace and he's not very worried about being replaced by robots
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thats what i want
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his argument was that robots are being used to price out competitors and make the barriers of entry into some industries much more costly
but you will still have the option to make it cheap by using humans
Like if a factory is starting they can't get a loan to buy a 5m$ industrial robot
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humans have to control the robots. the end result is not that 5 humans get replaced by one robot, but that 5 humans AND one robot can do 10 times the work with less mistakes.
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and canada is a lot of small manufacturing businesses that can't afford custom (as most are made custom by siemens/GE/rockwell etc for a specific speed/and optimized to avoid bottlenecks)