general-chat

[lusty fossil]

I'm trying to minimize the number if custom parts, if I can.

[vernal yoke]

Sounds about right

Just allowing a user access to a folder might break part of the system

Actually, recursively allowing a user full control of some system-related folder manages to break things

[vernal yoke]

Almost 100% of the time, it breaks things

And Windows doesn't have any setuid/setgid/sticky bits either

Lol

I use Windows simply because I choose to

And I know it better than the average person

Which doesn't mean much

Me, I'm just a curious person

Watched a few YouTube videos

Looked at some Microsoft documention once or twice

CrashOnControlScroll

Just going to make a guess, if the key is located in HKU, you're most likely fine

If it's HKLM, you might want to look that key up

[velvet pelican]

smaller than 1/4" would still be fine for that kind of seal just make sure whatever you use isnt larger than the shaft diameter. the spring on the inside of that seal will make it stay pushed into the shaft and keep the seal

[vernal yoke]

Sorry, HKCU

Well, HKU too

[quartz wren]

I did a preliminary analysis of my game console at bulk rates and the material cost is about half the retail price I was shooting for so if I can streamline the assembly process then I can still make a profit at the price I was targeting

So it still seems like it's a valid strategy even though I haven't had the opportunity to work on the project in a while

I'm thinking maybe it'll be the first thing I try to make profitable from my lab

[late fulcrum]

That's an awfully slim margin. The conventional wisdom is that the assembled price (material cost + assembly cost) should be about a third the selling price.

[quartz wren]

I'm not looking to make bank I'm looking to make it work.

[late fulcrum]

You did use the word "profitable" so I figured I'd chime in.

[quartz wren]

But putting it at 1/3 still sits in my target range

Because material cost is at or below $10 and the retail price I was shooting for was between $20 and $40

[late fulcrum]

Hopefully the assembly process is inexpensive

[quartz wren]

Should be something I can automate down the line

Start to finish

But yeah the hand assembly is pretty simple

[late fulcrum]

Not trying to rain on your parade, just offering advice. I lost about $2000 on this project.

[quartz wren]

My project has way fewer components and most of them are through hole

But can be moved to SMD with little effort when I've got pick and place working in my shop

[late fulcrum]

On the upside, I got my name on two patents out of it

[quartz wren]

Either way I'm not trying to make money per se, I'm trying to gain a small amount of reinvestment capital to boost the start of my company because I'm not getting bank loans and I'm not taking public investments.

[late fulcrum]

That's reasonable, that's my usual model too.

[quartz wren]

And since the complex stuff in my project is done by a pair of RP2040's with just minimal support hardware, plus the fact I can seemingly get SMD assembly done as part of the board fabrication with no added cost, though it says it's a coupon so I don't know if that's a one time thing

(going through jlcpcb initially and then as I build out my automation chain I'll do in house board manufacturing and assembly)

I already have an idea for a compact board etching and masking design that should have decent throughput

In minimal space

Just need to get a bit of reinvestment capital from the first runs to build that out

[late fulcrum]

I've had good experiences with JLCPCB but I haven't tried their assembly services (yet, anyway)

[quartz wren]

And since my cost of living is unreasonably low it isn't like I'm banking on this to keep me afloat

I'm doing that already, just trying to make a launch pad

So I can take myself further than mere existence

If I could hold a $15/hr job for 6 months and enforce savings I could have everything I need to get started without asking anyone for donations or private investments or doing a pre-sale which are the only options I have under the constraints I've given myself, but my past history with trying to work through my bipolar cycles says employment for others can't work

I'm housed and fed and emotionally supported so that aspect is covered, but I know that during my on states I can do so much more than even I sometimes am aware of... Just the off states cause issues for being employed under someone else

So I'm using the situation I have to maximum advantage and I'm building an R&D space for the things I enjoy developing that people have shown interest in and if I make sure to calculate shipping and not try to be the "nice business" then I won't lose money on working more hours per unit than it's worth because it balances out when I get automation in place and if there's enough demand

And the automation will allow me to start other projects from that starting point without having to do the same amount of initial work to start up a future project as a commercial venture

As long as I play my cards right I can do this by figuring out how to raise about $2k

As my initial seed

More would be helpful but that's all I really need to find at first

Way I see it is I already build electronics and it earns me nothing, if the customer is completely covering materials and shipping plus some margin, my time invested gains more from that margin selling it as a product than just building a bunch of stuff nobody uses

And if my housing is covered already I can reinvest 100% of it

It took quite a lot of mental effort to go from the "woe is me I have no real option but to have this specific living situation" to "look at the situation I've been blessed with where I can work unpaid for 10 hours doing something I enjoy and not have to worry about making rent"

I will be payed for my time eventually, but a startup requires sacrifices and the only thing I have left to sacrifice is my time

Oh did y'all see the pics of the lab after I cleaned it up to finish the interior?

[late fulcrum]

That's what I did, I was self-employed for about a year and a half (my situation was different but the gist is similar).

I remember some of your lab pics, but they may have been the "before" phase

[quartz wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/880575552807899156/956414821992120320/20220323_191628.jpg

It's still not done but it's coming along

[late fulcrum]

My "lab" (such as it is), in case you're curious

[quartz wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/880575552807899156/956414821350379550/20220323_191649.jpg

Another angle

Mine will be quite similar in level of density when it's done but I needed access to get the insulation and sheetrock / hardy board in

So all the unsorted mess is in the other room

[late fulcrum]

It's nice to have "another room" for such situations. I like your flooring (seems like a minor consideration, but mine's less flat (hard to roll carts/chairs around) and colder/harder (less comfortable to stand/sit on)

[quartz wren]

I have about 18 square meters total in the building and about 11 of that is the lab space, the rest is storage for the land owners as part of the agreement to let me build the lab but they're letting me store the lab materials in there until I have everything set up to be sorted into its final locations

[late fulcrum]

That's really helpful of them!

[quartz wren]

I mean it's my parents so it makes more sense in that context but still yes very helpful

😅

Turns out all it took was a near death incident with an accidental chlorine gas generator resulting from electroplating experiments in which I ran out of electrolytes and decided to use table salt to convince them I need a proper lab

Had it next to my open window because I knew the gas would be a potential problem but I forgot to turn it off when I went to bed

Woke up with the worst headache

Do NOT use table salt as an electrolyte

Even if you've got a fume hood

Unless you're a trained chemist and know what you're doing

Just that having a fume hood would have saved me the literal headache

So I'm putting one in my lab

My curiosity is apparently insatiable so I may as well put safety features in as the core of the building

Will also have an emergency eyewash station with a drain out to a gravel pit outside and a 5 gal water jug dedicated for it with a pressure equalization tube up to the top to act both as the flow rate valve and to prevent the water from glugging as bubbles make their way back in

So I open it up to atmosphere and it will let air into the top of the jug, allowing the water to escape smoothly

And how much I open it determines the outflow rate

(assuming a closed system with outflow nozzles the size of standard eye wash nozzles)

(and with caps to prevent dripping)

Then I just hook that valve to a foot pedal with a spring to being it back to closed and there ya go

Gravity fed eye wash

Yes it will be up high to have enough pressure

[static flare]

Howdy

[lusty fossil]

I assume the odds that any feedback I give to YouTube Music will be acted upon or lead to the change I want are pretty low. Does that seem reasonable?

[tardy badger]

Bought an apple tree to grow on my patio

[crystal ore]

Yep. If you are lucky, your comment will be incorporated into a single pie chart in a quarterly report that says "70% of users want X, while 30% want Y, but X costs more than Y, so we're doing Y."

[lusty fossil]

Bummer. I just want a paul simon radio station that doesn't default to Italian jazz. Nothing against Italian jazz as a concept, I just do not want to listen to it.

[static flare]

As a result of this, a friend ended up actually just buying me a commercial unit

[late fulcrum]

Sometimes, can lead to 🎁 . It's good to have friends.

[blissful roost]

Hopefully it will sprout some iPhones that you can sell. 🤪

[tardy badger]

🤪

[lusty fossil]

Hmm, I have a mildly silly problem. I got a new laptop and I'm not sure the email they sent me confirming the kind of laptop I bought actually matches what was sent. Is there an easy way to get the model number of laptop/PC you're working with?

[late fulcrum]

From what, the label? Via the OS? From the serial number?

[lusty fossil]

I learned of a way! I was thinking CMD line and there is a way it turns out

Looks like the model I bought went on sale 2 days after I bought it, but what can you do. There's also a tier of models above mine but I do think the one I got is best for my needs, so buyer's remorse absolved.

[late fulcrum]

Some credit cards offer price protection

[lusty fossil]

I paid cash unfortunately, should have used credit, idk why I didn't. It's kind of moot since I can't afford the time it would take to send it back and get a new one. I need a working machine now.

[lusty fossil]

Hmm, can't find an answer, going to ask here before just going for it. My new machine has a USB-C port on the back that's labeled USB PD which I assume means Power Delivery. According to the docs that port is just a USB-C 3.2 Gen 2. I don't think this means there's any issue with plugging a USB-C - HDMI cable into that port and then my monitor. Anyone have an opinion otherwise?

[static flare]

It's very confusing, because some things mean other things (USB 3.0 is also USB 3.1 Gen 1, and USB 3.2 Gen 1x1)

So unless it says you can do that, I genuinely have no clue if you could or not

[lusty fossil]

Yeah I'm quite confused. Fortunately there's another, less convenient USB C port that will work. I'm just trying to make sure I understand what I'm working with

[late fulcrum]

That should be fine if the laptop supports USB-HDMI on that port. The monitor won't negotiate power delivery if it doesn't want it. I suppose it's possible that's the charger port for the laptop.

[lusty fossil]

I think it's an optional charging port. The brick that came with it is pretty intense and out of USB spec I think

[lusty fossil]

When firefox doesn't prompt me to use a secure password when signing up for a new website, is that likely the website's fault?

[dusty citrus]

If I send a sms to a simcard that isn't plugged, then plug such sim to a device after I've sended the text, would I see such text or would I miss it?

[lusty fossil]

Related, does anyone have a preferred online password generator? I don't know how to evaluate if one is bad/a scam/whatever

[stoic mesa]

I use LastPass.
Do not use online ones

[lusty fossil]

that's what I thought

[vernal yoke]

Online? That's asking for trouble

[lusty fossil]

yeah, that's what I figured.

Just annoyed by this website design. I'm away from my home where my PW manager secret key is (new PC), or I'd use that

[vernal yoke]

Once, I was on a Wordpress support page about preventing brute force

It said something about hashed passwords or something

It referred the reader to a website that would hash passwords using crypt() or something

The passwords were sent over the network to the server to be hashed

No one in their right mind should trust that, even (or maybe especially) if the site says it doesn't store any passwords.

[lusty fossil]

I'm so spoiled by sites like adafruit, digikey, and mcmaster. I cannot stand when a company has the gall to charge 300 dollars for a product and doesn't provide you with relevant information.

[vernal yoke]

It isn't going to make them money, so they won't do it

Not going to make money directly anyway

[lusty fossil]

It might, seeing as if I can't get the answer I need, I won't buy their 300 dollar product. And I'll warn everyone who I know is in the market, away from them.

[vernal yoke]

Anyone with enough foresight might realize that having documentation is a feature, and a feature the customer looks for

[vernal yoke]

Precisely

[lusty fossil]

Or even a website with up to date certs so I could feel safe buying through them

[vernal yoke]

Lol

[lusty fossil]

Or even buttons that work

[vernal yoke]

Lol that's dumb

Or it has something to do with the certs

[lusty fossil]

Or even rudimentary product filtering

[lusty fossil]

They fired the person responsible and no one noticed because of cost cutting.

[vernal yoke]

A failed network request preventing the button from working properly

[vernal yoke]

?

[lusty fossil]

Responsible for making sure certs were in

[vernal yoke]

How do you know?

[lusty fossil]

I've worked at companies before

I've also known a lot of humans

Almost exclusively known humans

[vernal yoke]

🤔

[lusty fossil]

I want to buy their products, because they seem nice, but they are lacking a few key features that I would need to justify their cost

And if I have to make these features myself, it will cost more than just buying an even more expensive part that does have what I need

[static flare]

It's here!

[lusty fossil]

Congrats, what is it?

[static flare]

A commercial CVCC DC PSU

[lusty fossil]

nice!

[static flare]

So I don't have to faff about making my own

I still want to see if my circuit works, one day

but today doesn't need to be that day anymore

[wooden schooner]

Firefox has a feature like this?

[lusty fossil]

Yup!

[honest jolt]

Have you tried a different browser?

[lusty fossil]

I shouldn

t

have to

I'll just sort out my PW manager on this new PC when I get home

[honest jolt]

I know Chrome will offer to generate and save a password
If it doesn't work on Chrome then it's probably the website's fault

[wooden schooner]

yeah, I know Firefox can auto-generate passwords, but IIUC you are saying Firefox will criticize you if you enter a crappy password into a password field, which is also useful

[honest jolt]

Like maybe the form input on the sign up page hasn't been set as a password input or something

(HTML is hard without a reference)

[lusty fossil]

nono

[wooden schooner]

using a non-password field for passwords seems pretty egregious tho (I hope?)

[lusty fossil]

I'm just in a PW field and it's not suggesting

[wooden schooner]

anything interesting show up in the context menu when you right-click on the field?

use dev tools to confirm that there is actually a pw field there?

[lusty fossil]

I've lost the site. It wasn't that important

[honest jolt]

Look in your history?

[honest jolt]

Yea
There is an input type for passwords (<input type="password">) and the default is just "text"

Maybe they forgot or something similar

[lusty fossil]

I wasn't that interested in the supplier anyway, they just forced you to make a PW. Since it's not easy to make a PW, I won't be buying from them

[static flare]

:D snug in its final home for a while next to the function generator i still need to fix up

[late fulcrum]

Nice!

[shadow siren]

Ya needs more shelves

[wooden schooner]

right that would be very egregious, and in ~all browsers would show up in cleartext while the user typed

I think I have seen it before tho

[static flare]

I know, but that one works well for me right now

[late fulcrum]

The pegboard provides lots of options too

[static flare]

It would if I used it XD

[vernal yoke]

Unless you use CSS to hide it

[weary fiber]

A friend got me this because I paid for food when we went out

[wooden schooner]

that would also be very egregious

[vernal yoke]

That is what I am suspecting

[vernal yoke]

The only issue is detecting the password field and accessibility

[wooden schooner]

nope, there are others.

[vernal yoke]

Then again, people really care about accessibility

[wooden schooner]

the browser could save the contents of the field for future auto-fill.

[vernal yoke]

Oh

Right

Well, you can disable autofill

It doesn't seem like you can obscure the text like that

input-security used to be a thing, and there was a Webkit-specific property like that

[static flare]

made a 7 segment display with festoon bulbs, I have 4 other festoon 7 segment boards, I could make a clock

i love my new power supply

[tardy badger]

Weirdest thing happened. I got a spam text from myself lol

Like someone somehow spoofed my number and sent me a text from it 😆

[delicate stream]

Ahhh, this probably was me, I'm sorry I disappeared for months DX life things happened and I have been very ahhh

I am very out of time

[quartz wren]

Well my lab stuff got set back by a severe winter depressive episode so I'm quite behind on my timeline

[delicate stream]

Ahh... I've been dealing with similar. Hopefully we'll both feel a lot better soon 💜

[tardy badger]

Heyyyy long time no speaks

Hope you’re doing well

[delicate stream]

I am not dead

[tardy badger]

That’s good at least

I’ve also been dealing with the big sad lately but I’m slowly getting better

[delicate stream]

Same

And job stuff

Car crash

plague

Months have been ahhhh

[tardy badger]

😦

Was it bad?

[delicate stream]

Car totaled... I had big pain in ribs, possibly cracked, although X-rays were inconclusive

Still recovering, that was on the 1st

[quartz wren]

Sending positive vibes into the universe for you... At worst it won't help but at best maybe some cosmic being is listening

[quartz wren]

[lusty fossil]

My friend was just in two car wrecks within a week. It's really awful, I'm sorry. PM if you want dog pics

[quartz wren]

Apparently I'd been holding back from processing the loss of a friend for years and only let myself go through the grieving process over the past week or so... But I realized it's been deeply affecting me over the whole time I've been holding back and I'm doing better than I have been for years. Best wishes on the healing @delicate stream both mental and physical, and I'm hoping there's a point soon where you can manage to be able to say the same as me. I'm not going to give the cliche "it gets better" because I can't make that promise, but I can say from experience that going through incredibly difficult things and coming out the other side makes you better at handling it when things that used to seem so significant before seem simple

I know it may not help in the moment to hear that but the best I can offer is a bit of perspective from someone who recently went through something that nearly broke them and managed to come out the other side stronger ❤️

I only managed it with support though so if you ever need to chat / rant about anything toss me a friend request and I'm here if you need it

I'm busy but unless I'm asleep I've pretty much always got a device on me that is connected to discord and I have no issue getting pings with a purpose

(best way to get ahold of me is a ping)

Anyway invitation, not expectation. I've got some work to do but feel free to reach out

❤️

(P.S. I will drop everything for a friend in need if I have the ability to meet the need in the moment)

(which isn't much but I can listen and offer another perspective)

[delicate stream]

Extra love and friendship and good vibes can never hurt 💜

And apparently I added you long ago XD

[quartz wren]

Ahhh well, reach out any time you need 🙏 will help in any way I can and be a listening ear where I can't

[delicate stream]

Same to you!

[tardy badger]

Wow, that’s horrible. I’m glad things are getting better, and sad that you’ve dealt with so much 💔 I hope things continue to get better for you

[real falcon]

wow that sucks. get well 😄

[static flare]

Hey @delicate stream 💜 Glad to see you're around, I know how it is with the big sad, it's good to see you around

[late fulcrum]

I have an idea that may amuse you, may I DM you about it?

[umbral phoenix]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/28/22999719/spam-texts-own-phone-number-verizon-att-tmobile

[errant steppe]

Blowing up capacitors at 80,000 fps https://youtu.be/6WUxgmMDts4

[lusty fossil]

I just got my first call from a number that my phone said was a "valid number" (US - California). It turned out to be a real person I want to talk to, rare right? Anyone know if this is a real thing that I can rely on?

[delicate stream]

Thanks 💜

[delicate stream]

[delicate stream]

Sure :D

[static flare]

Hey Doc!

[delicate stream]

Henlo~

Am a transform

[umbral phoenix]

@lusty fossil probably STIR / SHAKEN https://www.fcc.gov/call-authentication

[lusty fossil]

Neat thanks!

[static flare]

valid

[delicate stream]

How's a foxgirl?

[static flare]

Doing well!

[delicate stream]

Yay~

[static flare]

How about you?~

[delicate stream]

I'm alive! Not currently on fire

[static flare]

Both are good!

[delicate stream]

Very sleepy ... I wish to go back to sleep and not go to work

[static flare]

a mood

[delicate stream]

The biggest mood

[static flare]

at least for me i don't have to work and i have cool stuff to work with at my bench (which is also my bedroom)

[blissful roost]

I was just considering going back to sleep myself. lol

[delicate stream]

Thankfully work for me is now very chill

[static flare]

I'm perpetually sleepy, just found out today that one of my meds increases the half-life of caffeine in my bloodstream so I've probably been on a caffeine high for the past 3 years or so

(increased half life means it takes longer to break down)

[delicate stream]

Life is sleepy pain

It's -4C here!~<3

[static flare]

16 here

[delicate stream]

Cold is life

[blissful roost]

I may have left the heating on too long. Lol

[delicate stream]

I have the AC on

[static flare]

same

[delicate stream]

I am among my people

[static flare]

i made earrings 💜

[delicate stream]

Awesome! Perfect use for the bits you don't want to trash but are in no way useful XD

[static flare]

I'm planning on selling them hehe~

[delicate stream]

Z the salesfox!

[static flare]

hehe

[delicate stream]

I might actually have design time during work now

[static flare]

Design time?

[delicate stream]

For projects and stuff

[static flare]

ahhh

[delicate stream]

I've had about zero project time for ages

Only work and ahhh

[static flare]

nice 💜

[delicate stream]

But now my commute is like 30-45 minutes instead of 50-100, and I have a lot less stuff to do at work

[static flare]

cool!

[delicate stream]

Very

And I have my own office with AC, rather than being in a shared space that people keep turning the heat on

even though I was basically the only one in there most of the time and tried to keep it at 65 instead of 75

[delicate stream]

The 3090 Ti is real

[static flare]

I'm still here with my 2070

[delicate stream]

Still good

.... crap, I need to ship mine out for repair, I forgot

[blissful roost]

I don't do earrings (of any kind), but those do look cool. 🤓

[static flare]

:D

[static flare]

Vegetable is a social construct

[delicate stream]

Isn't everything? lol

[static flare]

Unlike the concept of fruit, vegetables are entirely a culinary term

[delicate stream]

I want the above salad

[blissful roost]

Apparently, my Pi Zero 2 W has arrived

Shweet

[delicate stream]

11/10 good Pi

[blissful roost]

👍

[delicate stream]

I need to figure out where I put mine...

[dusk oracle]

oh i see that went with a 4 panel array for the wifi antenna

[lusty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-annoyed-irritated-tantrum-gif-13045775

Me when there isn't a .STEP for a part and I have to make something based on the drawings

[tardy badger]

lol

[lusty fossil]

They have .STEPs for most of their other parts! Why not this one 😦

[tardy badger]

The US is not the greatest country in the world and the biggest proof is the tax system and how a company gets away with not paying taxes for the state you lived in despite sending them multiple tax forms for said state and then owing $1800

If you need me, I’ll be off crying at my desk

[burnt tendon]

Yeah, taxes in the US are hysterically bad.

Poor value for the money, worst of all.

[tardy badger]

Yeah, and on top of owing $1800, I still paid almost $400 just to file them because the mistake my employer made just makes auditable mistakes more likely…

[dusty citrus]

It's not just the us, almost all states are like that
Then there are also laws that do favor some industries over competitors, usually over "safery concerns", also know as regulatory captures
Like to be able to do X job, you need X license, that will cost X time and money

Here to be able to pay taxes, you need a business accountant, otherwise you can't, to be a business accountant you need to be registered otherwise you can't, to be registered you need to do different schools that need x time and money

And if you don't pay taxes they start to foreclosure you stuff or put you straight to jail

[tardy badger]

Sure, but US tax code is essentially written by Intuit, H&R Block among other tax industry lobbyist to keep it difficult. Other countries make it far simpler to file and manage taxes.

[delicate stream]

You shouldn't need to really even file -- they already have all the data, they should just be able to send you a check or a bill every year

[static flare]

Here in Australia, you can do it yourself online

[tardy badger]

You can technically do it for free in the US, but Intuit and the tax industry has made it so complicated that most people don’t have enough understanding of taxes to do it. Unless you only ever work one job, don’t do anything outside of that job

[delicate stream]

My mom is an accountant and still occasionally gets confused by it

[vernal yoke]

Wait...

So the US's tax legislation is intentionally confusing just so an industry devoted to filing taxes can prosper?

[crystal ore]

Kind of, yeah. Those companies have a big lobbying arm, and if the IRS simplified everything, half of the people there would be out of a job, too.

[lusty fossil]

People will do a lot of seemingly nonsense things in the name of jobs

[tardy badger]

Yeah, American exceptionalism

[wooden schooner]

In case anyone's looking for recs, my taxes currently are simple enough that FreeTaxUSA is perfectly adequate for me. They do a free federal return, and IIRC $14 for the state return. I also pay the extra $6 to get their audit assistance (they won't directly represent you to the IRS if you get audited, but they'll help you write your responses).

There is an IRS program (I forget the details but maybe it's this? https://www.irs.gov/e-file-providers/about-the-free-file-alliance) whose goal is to support low-cost industry offerings that make the tax filing process simpler and easier, and FreeTaxUSA is part of that iirc

[tardy badger]

I wish I could have done that but my tax situation was.. complicated this year 😕

[wooden schooner]

There are some programs that subsidize tax services for low-income people, which is of course good. And having simple taxes is a privilege that not all low-income folks have - some have to go to H&R Block

[vernal yoke]

Yikes

If you laid off people slowly, the impact would be less dramatic, right?

[lusty fossil]

It would obviously not be as sudden, but it would not be negligible, is my understanding

[burnt tendon]

I mean, the IRS could have more people diving much deeper into outright tax fraud. That's been way cut back.

As I said, value for the money. Astonishingly few American oligarchs get audited, but lots of normal people who Do Not Have Time Or Money For That get audited.

[wooden schooner]

that issue is of course very confounded by the fact that the oligarchs have an army of accountants and lawyers

a friend of mine, recently retired, worked her way up to become a senior tax auditor - a profession which drew her partly for its positive social impact. As a senior tax auditor, she was fighting big-money corps to pay their due taxes. Earlier in her career, she was only assigned to audit small businesses, i.e. much less good for society, which really bummed her out.

[real falcon]

yeah irs is foreced to go after small pototoes and ignore big tax avoidance

[vernal yoke]

Don't companies evade taxes legally?

Or is there no way to legally evade taxes?

[shadow siren]

of course through tax loopholes

[vernal yoke]

Yeah

Can only big companies afford to use these loopholes?

[shadow siren]

Are you aware how many tax laws there are in the US, it's like 10+ volumes of books, each book like 500 pages

[vernal yoke]

It doesn't really surprise me

But can only big companies afford to use these loopholes?

[shadow siren]

and it requires a knowledgeable account to use the rules which can apply to individual or company.

[vernal yoke]

It would be nice if someone just published a book that described a bunch of ways to legally evade taxes

[vernal yoke]

Accountant?

[shadow siren]

a person who does your books and does your tax form

it could be a whole firm doing it

[vernal yoke]

Yes

You said "account"

[shadow siren]

fast typing

[vernal yoke]

Ha, I use two fingers and no autocorrect

[lusty fossil]

You're coming up on why there's a whole industry for this.

It requires expertise to do right

[vernal yoke]

Open-source tax loopholes would be really nice

If a lot more accountants learned about these public loopholes, then the price would be much lower, right?

Ack, just DM me

[shadow siren]

test

[vernal yoke]

I'll probably find out how to bypass the filter

[shadow siren]

weird discord just went bonkers

[vernal yoke]

Assuming it's a benign message

[shadow siren]

It does really annoy me off that these tax holes even exist and I am Canadian and we have crap like this also, in the US you have people in congress who cannot do basic math instead they pass tax laws to favor their friends and put the burden on average person and then complain when you have these trillion dollar budgets and no revenue from your tax base because of all the stupid cuts and rules.

[vernal yoke]

I assume it's Dyno not liking a word in your message

[shadow siren]

yes

[vernal yoke]

Yeah, it was what I suspect you used instead of "annoy"

[shadow siren]

no annoy was the replacement that worked

[vernal yoke]

The people in Congress don't need to do math

They just need to benefit themselves

:P

[vernal yoke]

Yeah, I said the word instead of "annoy"

[shadow siren]

no they are for the most part all about me me me and who cares who voted them to that seat

right now in Alberta we have a moron called Kenny who thinks Oil will save the economy of Alberta

[vernal yoke]

Wherever Alberta is :P

I don't think oil can save any economy

[shadow siren]

north of US in Canada, western Canada

[vernal yoke]

Oil is probably going to be phased out in a decade or few

And it's unlikely you'll find oil and manage to better the economy with it

You'll probably just better the preexisting oil companies marginally

[shadow siren]

not if Kenny has his way, he is hyping it pretty bad and complaining about carbon tax which is used as incentive to wean company's off of fossil fuels

[vernal yoke]

Hm

Haven't those things been tried already?

I swear they have

[shadow siren]

we as Albertans should diversify our economy

[vernal yoke]

So this Kenny wants to find oil, but he also wants a carbon tax

Conflict of interests if you ask me

[shadow siren]

If a company uses green energy they get tax credits but if they use coal/gas the get charged more tax

[vernal yoke]

Can you explain what's wrong with the economy there?

[vernal yoke]

Oh, I see, it's like a U.S. state

[shadow siren]

Alberta has more oil in just the Tar Sands, in fact there is so much there it totals more than Saudi Araba has

Canada has 10 provinces and three territories

[vernal yoke]

Yeah

[vernal yoke]

Okay, so the oil industry hasn't attempted to buy up some land there?

[shadow siren]

BC the west most province did a massive hydro projects like 25 years ago and now most of BC has clean hydro based electrical, Alberta is still using Coal and Gas fired plants for electricity. Alberta like the US lease land to the oil company's and takes a cut off profits they make for they gas/oil the sell

[vernal yoke]

What is British Columbia

Oh wait

me who did not find the invisible commas

[shadow siren]

When oil is in boom the government rakes in the cash but that does not last so we go from boom to bust all the time. and we have what is called transfer payments so a chunk of the province cash revenue goes east to Ottawa to help other provinces that need the cash.

We albertians think to much money goes east

Sorry as a Canadian I use the short names for provinces like BC and yes British Columbia

ok work time comes all too soon, off to bed

[vernal yoke]

What

Hm

Well, good night

[burnt tendon]

So, if all of the power from up near Vancouver is hydro, does that mean that the rest of the country talks about those dam British Columbians?

[shadow siren]

Something like that but we prefer to refer to them as dam tree huggers

[lusty fossil]

Where I live is pretty tolerable all in all, but what we really lack is a dedicated vegan pizza place. That would make being here really lovely

[thick wind]

Vegan pizza? That seems to be a rather niche thing to be missing. What would a vegan pizza use in place of cheese...?

[lusty fossil]

Fake cheese! Idk what real cheese tastes like but soy cheese ain't bad. There are places here that will do you a vegan pizza, but since they prepare and cook them all in the same place, it doesn't work for me.

There are also vegan pizzas that use like a sweet balsamic sauce and eschew "cheese" altogether

[stray wind]

Either vegan "cheese", or lactose-free cheese. Both are a thing, the latter is far more palatable, according to my lactose-intolerant partner.

[lusty fossil]

I've heard good things about nut cheeses, but alas, 'lergic

That's what I would really like to try tbh

Fortunately most restaurants that use vegan cheese seem to use soy, I suspect because of the cost

[hasty wedge]

I just stay away from diary in general

they always gives me benign(but scary) palpitations

[burnt tendon]

I mean, the whole nut-chese-sauce area is, IMHO, a little bit under-explored. I am a deep and abiding lover of cheese (hee hee) so I'm actually more interested in the thing where they do interesting only-vaguely-cheese-like things there instead of trying to replicate cheese and letting me down.

I've got tons of sympathy for lactose-intolerant because my mom was intolerant before there were very many products in the space.

As opposed to now where people are like "Oh, that's why my gut feels awful, huh"

[lusty fossil]

Yeah I'm fully allergic (most up to date info, I need to get re-tested), as in throat swells up, face goes blue, perish.

[burnt tendon]

Yah, because it's there and scary and prevelent, while I love putting nuts in my chocolate chip cookies, I'm always super-careful to not add them if I'm making them for a social event.

[lusty fossil]

Yeah, that's something that has changed a TON since I was a child. I used to be in the ER multiple times a year because of someone being careless.

I am very grateful that people are aware and conscientious

[blissful roost]

Glad I have no food issues..

[lusty fossil]

there are certainly WAY worse chronic health problems, and even worse food issues to have (celiac comes to mind, also PKU)

[blissful roost]

Sod all that for a laugh..

[lusty fossil]

PKU is really really scary

[fading hare]

Hey, I hope everyone's alright and not eating too many Brazil nuts.

That said, is anybody online that can help a sad, depressed, tired, and anxious Swede with some networking questions?

Basically, I have a 4-port pfSense appliance with WAN/LAN/OPT1/OPT2 Ethernet ports, and then an OPT3 WiFi card mostly intended for 2.4GHz IoT devices. I am wondering if I would be fine getting a Netgear GS503E with 802.1Q support for VLANs and then getting regular unmanaged switches for the rest of the house that are each connected to one of the ports on the GS503E? Or do I need VLAN support over the entire house?

Also, should I get ProSAFE, or am I fine without it?

[burnt tendon]

I forget.

So, there are some unmanaged regular switches that pass the VLAN headers and some that do not.

[fading hare]

Just as an example: I have a set of devices that would all be on the same VLAN, do I need to trunk from the switch that's connected to the firewall to another VLAN-capable switch, or if I just connect that managed port to an unmanaged switch, will the managed switch figure out that all traffic from that unmanaged switch belongs to that VLAN?

They're all in the same area, and would use one switch. Just curious if both switches need to be 802.1Q, or if only the one by the firewall does...

Does that make sense?

Or should I just save myself the headache and get 5-port VLAN-capable switches on both ends?

Come to think of it, I do have an Xbox that would need to be on a separate VLAN, so I guess I have to trunk these guys, right?

[burnt tendon]

Yeah, because I know a buncha switches will strip the 802.1Q header and just output packets out of the port, but if you want the XBox to be on a separate VLAN you are going to have to get VLAN all the way

[fading hare]

OK, makes sense. Was trying to wrap my head around it but was unsure. Thank you for the explanation.

[burnt tendon]

Yeah, and I'm forgetting things because I was in a nasty mess of 802.1Q but it was 4 years ago or so.

Also, this was with Nexus 9k switches

[fading hare]

I am low on space, so I have three computers and one Xbox on this desk. Xbox and one rig are for gaming, so should be on a separate VLAN I think, and then the other two are "personal" work and "work" work.

Do you think I need to get the ProSAFE stuff?

The price is double for those bad-boys, that's why I ask.

Also, just to confirm, if I have a whole slew of devices that are all on the same VLAN, can I use a switch that isn't 802.1Q, that in turn is connected to a managed switch?

[burnt tendon]

So, checking the manual for the Netgear switch in question, you can set a port to be tagged or untagged.

[fading hare]

Do you mind explaining the difference? Or linking to something that is suitable for a novice?

I am also trying to figure out if I need to buy a whole new WiFi router for this because I don't think the one I have supports VLANs.

[burnt tendon]

So I'm not sure how the Netgear implementation works but it looks like you can have an uplink port where it'll accept all VLANs, and then you can either have it add the 802.1Q tag or not as well as setting the VLAN ID for a port.

I don't know if there are WiFi routers that support VLANs, but you probably want to connect it to a switch that supports VLANs and just have all of the WiFi be a single VLAN.

[fading hare]

nice, OK, so it sounds like I don't have to buy $2,000 worth of UniFi hardware. 😄

Because, I'd rather just replace all my IoT and smart things with manual switches and do it like the cavemen did.

[burnt tendon]

Ubiquti has way too many weird issues with their own security.

They had a thing long ago and instead of trying to Do Better, they stayed the same and now are suing security researchers.

[fading hare]

I heard about that. So, they haven't improved at all with their 6-series stuff?

Or, is that the improved version, and that's why it's all sold out? 😄

[burnt tendon]

🤷

https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/ubiquiti_brian_krebs/

[fading hare]

ahhaha

"defamation"

fix yo-sh as they say

wow, I do remember the intrusion thing

[fading hare]

Alright. I purchased some switches. I ended up with:

• Main switch: NETGEAR GS108Ev3 ProSAFE
• My office: NETGEAR GS308E
• Various: 3x NETGEAR GS305E

[umbral phoenix]

it's been a while since I set mine up too, but I think I have my wifi APs going into [PoE] managed switches with 802.1Q, plus a couple of trunked VLANs directly in the router. iirc, it was because my unmanaged switches stripped the VLAN metadata

[fading hare]

OK, that makes sense.

[umbral phoenix]

GS108PEv3 and GS108Ev3 are exactly what I have as my remote switches (and a few other oddballs)

[fading hare]

So it's a good thing I did VLAN-capable all around

just couldn't pull off ProSAFE over the entire house, that would have been like $500 total

[umbral phoenix]

i don't even know what ProSafe feature is

[fading hare]

and I only need to configure VLANs in one place, the 108E, the 30xEs will honor it and direct traffic accordingly.

ProSAFE is the management software

[umbral phoenix]

ah

[fading hare]

108E has that

[umbral phoenix]

I know they have metal and plastic chassis, maybe that's in the model#

[fading hare]

308E is just "smart" so it knows not to bungle the VLAN tags

there's NETGEAR switches that are metal that are not managed in any way.

[umbral phoenix]

I had to go from a 24 main switch to a 48

[fading hare]

jesus joseph and mary

What do you even have connected?! 😄

[umbral phoenix]

all. teh. things.

[fading hare]

WiFi is too insecure, HARDWIRE ALL THE THINGS

[umbral phoenix]

well, there are a bunch of jacks around the house that are typically empty

[fading hare]

oh, makes sense, you put in ports in different rooms and such

[umbral phoenix]

yeah, and almost anywhere with a TV (and stuff to drive it), there neds to be a switch

[fading hare]

ah, we've wifi'd all that

[umbral phoenix]

I do try to wired if at all possible, and I typically don't connect consumer A/V devices to the network at all if I can help it

[fading hare]

only TV that is hard-wired is the big 4K living room

[umbral phoenix]

I treat TVs as dumb terminals (with HDMI)

[fading hare]

Oh, none of my TVs are actually wired up... it's actually just the Chromecasts/Apple TVs.

Also, I scanned the neighborhood with my WiFi Pineapple today, and there's some shady folks around... for sure.

Probably mostly compromised IoT devices, eh?

[lusty fossil]

Shady folks keep the door to door solar sales people away though

[umbral phoenix]

lol hyeah I've been playing around with monitor mode a lot on circuitpython, drives me nuts that people's mattresses broadcast themselves o_O

[fading hare]

not THAT type of shady, the "I'mma hack your network and install crypto miners on all your pies" type. I like the other type of shady.

[umbral phoenix]

the whole commercial IoT thing is a mess

[lusty fossil]

Unrelated to the convo, but I wish google was better for searching for mechanical components. Searched "32mm tapered roller bearing" and I'm getting very little that's close.

[umbral phoenix]

that seems like a nicely specific search

[lusty fossil]

Yeah, maybe they just don't exist?

[fading hare]

Hey, could be worse, you could be trying to search for software development related issues with Bing.

[lusty fossil]

Lol

[fading hare]

Bing is like: if it ain't about celebrities or .NET, it just DOES NOT EXIST.

[lusty fossil]

The only relevant link is Amazon ugh

[burnt tendon]

I just order lots of things from McMaster Carr.

[fading hare]

McMaster Carr sounds like a BBQ joint in the deep south.

[lusty fossil]

Mcmaster has 32mm bearings but they are plastic wearing surface bearings

[lusty fossil]

Careful, it's a site that will take ALL your money

[burnt tendon]

Yeah, so I spent some time a while back being a core contributor to some kubernetes-y openstack-y things and I had the absolute least fancy homelab of all of the other people.

[fading hare]

oh, also @umbral phoenix and @burnt tendon I am following this guide for my new reconfiguration of the home network, does it blend? https://nguvu.org/pfsense/pfsense-baseline-setup/

(hopefully you're old/weird enough to remember the Will It Blend segment)

[fading hare]

I am always that guy. Everyone else has a wall full of TX2s and I'm sitting over here, sobbing into the wind tunnel that the Noctua fan on top of my Nano 2G heatsink throws my way.

[lusty fossil]

Misumi to the rescue! Terrible website but great products

[fading hare]

So, the spoon reaction... It's like, what generation are you even? So, it could be Matrix... or... better yet, it could be The (original) Tick.

Spoooooooooon

"gravity, she's a harsh mistress"

[umbral phoenix]

there's no blender emoji, it's the closest thing I could come up with

[fading hare]

I'll allow it.

[umbral phoenix]

there is no spoon

[fading hare]

Depends on if Neo caught that glitch cat and put it in a box or not.

Schrödi-BZZEETDZZAIEEEEE-nger-AGENT SMITH here.

[burnt tendon]

Oh, yeah, Misumi is also great. Certain things are better purchased from there

I think my big realization is that, while I enjoy a well-set-up infrastructure piece, going overly complicated means that I will start to resent spending time on the care and feeding.

[fading hare]

That was my interpretation of the sound the agents make when they sudo impersonates someone's "account."

[lusty fossil]

Their (US at least) site is just so lacking in a lot of ways. Like you basically cannot compare and contrast products by price easily.

[burnt tendon]

Because, there are mermaids and fairies to coax out of their hiding places! And circuses! And things to build! And, oh, yeah, paying dayjob work.

[fading hare]

sits down on the ground and listens to the grownups talk

[umbral phoenix]

lol, never thought about Smith as sudo before

[fading hare]

😄

[burnt tendon]

Yah, also it doesn't support my last name. Surnames are limited to 10 characters and mine's 11.

[late fulcrum]

A friend of mine had the opposite problem: some systems don't accept two-letter surnames.

[fading hare]

I bet he was Asian.

[late fulcrum]

You would win that bet.

Then again, 副 is a single glyph

[fading hare]

Lol true

[burnt tendon]

A bunch of sites don't let me say "Can I get the cheapest item that fits my requirements?" which is annoying.

[fading hare]

But, yeah, that kind of stuff is so widespread.

[fading hare]

egg-zaaaactly

[umbral phoenix]

some retail sites don't allow single letter in the first name field, so I just make up stuff

[late fulcrum]

I did some research before upgrading my wireless network to a mesh. I finally chose a particular vendor, type, and configuration, and then went price shopping. I was amused the Apple store had the best price.

[fading hare]

My biggest pet peeve is when people make really dumb generalizations about gender based on name compositions. Like, it ends in Y or A, gotta be female.

[fading hare]

that's still wayyyy above my budget

[late fulcrum]

I wrote a heuristic algorithm a long time ago to guess gender by (mostly English European) first names. While it was biased by Y and A, it wasn't absolute.

[fading hare]

It was actually kind of funny. Me and my stepson (his name ends in A) would get physical mail ads for all kinds of female (girl/woman/whatever) products.

[fading hare]

you know there's still some sad, cube-dwelling misogynist that uses that same algo to perpetuate their WASP worldview.

[late fulcrum]

Since this program's goal was to generate malediction, if it whiffed the gender, that was fine.

[fading hare]

Oh, for sure. When you use it to try to target actual human beings it becomes infinitely more cringe.

[late fulcrum]

Agreed.

[fading hare]

It's the same mentality that caused the Swedish people to default all their database tables to ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8, because who needs weird characters besides ÅÄÖ??? Yes, I am looking sternly at you, MySQL guys. We had our office next door to those peeps for several years.

[late fulcrum]

It had an amusingly poor approach to plurals, conjugation, etc. One notable reference was to "enormoi walri"

[fading hare]

I absolutely loathed the fact that they did not use UTF-8. I am pretty sure I may have cat-called that across a restaurant at one point.

[late fulcrum]

I worked on an international export tracking system a while back, which did fine with an array of languages, but had issues with things like Estonian, which includes letters like ț ("Latin small letter T with comma below", U+021B)

I learned a lot about Unicode and PDF forms on that project.

[fading hare]

My crash course to that entire world was building a website in ASP, circa 2001 that needed to support Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, English, Arabic, and Farsi.

[late fulcrum]

Oh, my. There are a lot of gotchas in that set!

[fading hare]

You betcha.

Farsi and Arabic to a farmboy like me, look awfully alike.

[late fulcrum]

I found that many European governments of the time were mandating open standards, but there were a few still stuck with MICROS~1 who wanted us to do lossless translations between UTF and various code pages and did not comprehend why this was not actually possible.

[fading hare]

But, they're not, and they literally render in super weird ways, comparatively. Now, it's all been fixed, but back then, Farsi was a bit of a longshot to get working, but I did it.

[fading hare]

Exactly the problem we faced.

[lusty fossil]

I know someone who worked on the versions of office for languages from that part of the world. Lots of challenges.

This was in the 90s

[late fulcrum]

I remember some of the issues with languages that rendered in different directions, when they included quotes in a script that rendered the other way. And the fun of languages where the rendering depended on context, which varied if there was a line break even a few glyphs away.

[fading hare]

We went back and forth with the translator and the client, but stuff was just lost in communication... I eventually ended up calling the translation agency and having them send over the Iranian dude to our office. We hung out and fixed everything in an afternoon. He was impressed by my diligence and willingness to learn because none of the other "white" people seemed to care enough to get it right.

[late fulcrum]

Well done!

[fading hare]

When in doubt: skip all middlemen.

[late fulcrum]

That, politeness, respectfulness, and the ability to listen are key

[fading hare]

Well. We all know that I lack in all three departments most of the time.

😄

[late fulcrum]

And that is why my acting background has saved me from myself more than once

[fading hare]

But, at least some of you still talk to me. I treasure that.

Sorry if that was too real. I can dial it down. 😄

[late fulcrum]

Naw, I get it

[fading hare]

Apropos nothing, has anyone tried to control Corsair AIOs with Linux?

I am in Arch, and using liquidctl, but for some reason I cannot see my AIO. Did I just... forget to connect the thing to USB?!

But... It did work in Windows when I was running it... Hmm.

[late fulcrum]

I understood some of those words

[fading hare]

All-In-One liquid cooler.

Arch Linux.

Corsair, the brand.

[late fulcrum]

My liquid cooling setup is decidedly low tech

[fading hare]

😄

Sorry, I was trying to do a Dramatis Personae. Not sure if that came across or not.

[lusty fossil]

Are you liquid cooling an incubator?

[late fulcrum]

No, a CO2 laser cutter

[fading hare]

wait, is that a LAZZZZER

[lusty fossil]

Ahhh

[fading hare]

oh it is

[lusty fossil]

Nice

[fading hare]

What's the black thing in the bucket that's attached to the frame/leg of the cutter? A bail?

[late fulcrum]

Aquarium pump 🙂

[fading hare]

oooh

sneaky

that is a super-cool setup, no pun

so, why are you water-cooling it, what's the difference between that and other laser cutters?

[late fulcrum]

Those tubes dissipate a fair amount of heat and need water cooling to survive. It's a pretty generic laser cutter.

[fading hare]

wow, OK

I didn't see any of that when I was over at my buddy's place... maybe his were hidden or something

[late fulcrum]

The amount of spill light is surprisingly low for the power of the laser beam. This laser produces about 1/40000 as much laser output, but is much brighter

[fading hare]

that is significantly more badass than anything I can pull off

[late fulcrum]

Normally the tube is covered, as even the reflected beam is hazardous. But I wanted a beauty shot showing the plasma discharge

[fading hare]

yeah, that is magnificent

also glad you're not blind from doing that

[late fulcrum]

I have an inordinate fondness for high voltage and things that glow, especially lasers

I am even more glad (fortunately, I have and use appropriate safety gear).

[fading hare]

Only thing I can think of now is that wild nerd dude that powered some ridiculous stadium-grade light bulb with some generator in his basement and completely blinded his entire neighborhood from his roof

[lusty fossil]

Re: glowing things, when I can afford it I want to collect uranium glass

Have a UV light inside the cabinet so that they always glow

[wooden schooner]

I am all ears for any storytimes of this

[fading hare]

I remember his YouTube videos, but, what was his name?

[umbral phoenix]

"do not look into laser with remaining eye"

[fading hare]

that sounds like that crazy dude that shocks himself and blows stuff up on his desk all the time

sorry, my English is suffering right now, but I don't care, so hopefully you can still understand my inane gibberish

OK, now I have to go back in my YouTube history and find these legendary people.

So. Serious question. How much bad could an O-Light flashlight with a magnetic base that's sitting very close to a KB2040 still sealed in its bag cause?

[late fulcrum]

I'm guessing Photonic Induction

[late fulcrum]

That sounds like Electroboom

[fading hare]

nailed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT5_-A0m8_U

[fading hare]

yup, 💯 again

thank you for reminding me of their names

I watched them all the time with my stepson but kind of fell out of touch with that part in my YouTube account

also, subscribed to them again

Also, @late fulcrum, you are officially an honorary member of the official group of people that can translate from Swede to English. No, it's not a dig at Swedish people, it's just what my family and friends call me because I am Swedish. And, my brain is weird. 😄

[dapper hatch]

A big day for me. 🙂 Just handed in my dissertation. If all goes well I should have a Masters in software engineering. Been a long road. After a bad year in 2011 I decided to chaise a dream of doing a degree. In 2019 I took the next step and started my masters. As someone who has Dyslexia this has been a challenge. It has changed me forever. Follow your dreams everyone. ❤️

[edgy apex]

I was testing out Livestreaming yesterday, I had a friend watch. The mics are located on the back of my head. I grabbed a bottle of water and took a few chugs, he could hear me drinking it 😆

[delicate stream]

lol, nice

Why are the mics on the back of your head? XD

[edgy apex]

That was the only spot, they are on an audio hat but the audio hat has to be on the back of my head for the bone conduction transducer. Its equivalent to being on speaker phone from the back of your head, it is good for videos/Livestreaming because it picks up all the background stuff too

[delicate stream]

Ah XD

I gotta say, bone conducting mics are something I haven't seen a lot of

[late fulcrum]

Amusingly, I was the Official Google Translator for Bork for a couple of years.

[static flare]

Happy TDOV in the US 💜

[wooden schooner]

congratulations!!!

[wooden schooner]

Having a friend who worked for Google in translation services, I did not know there was an (Official) head translator. Wat is this?

[edgy apex]

The bone conduction is for the audio, the wires on the transducer are only so long so that dictated where I had to put the hat/microphones, the 2 mics are mems microphones

[edgy apex]

It's kinda hard to explain, pictures are better

[thick wind]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/1674 if you're curious.

[tardy badger]

So I have this FPGA feather I designed last year, and I’ve honestly been a bit paralyzed by the possibility of it not working so I haven’t assembled it. I think I’m going to spin it in a larger design with better spacing, traces, and larger passives to up my confidence in the design.

Part of the assembly paralysis was driven by the fact that the particular fpga chip and the ft232hq have been hard to come by and I only have three of each on hand

[delicate stream]

Ohhh, I see, I misunderstood the hardware

[edgy apex]

i didnt explain well enough i have trouble doing that sometimes :p

[delicate stream]

I've played with them before, they're fun! It's kinda weird how it feels

[delicate stream]

Explaining is hard XD Understanding is also hard

It's amazing we're able to move complex thoughts across at all!

[edgy apex]

im glad we can 🙂

[fossil scaffold]

Oop. Figured i'd dump this somewhere
Silly and impractical project, wanted to push LTspice with some transistor logic.

[delicate stream]

LTspice?

[fossil scaffold]

Analog Device's version of SPICE, circuit simulator for analog circuitry to test designs with "ideal models" before building them.

[delicate stream]

Ahh, nice

[fossil scaffold]

Just built a load of NAND cells from 2 NPN transistors, some resistors, and tiled them to make adders, then an 8-bit adder, then will probably expand more into larger modules with a mux circuit to make an ALU.

maybe pull out a bucket of 2222's on a rainy weekend. never really seen it anywhere online and i guess i'll figure out why

[delicate stream]

I want to build a computer from discrete transistors eventually

[fossil scaffold]

yep!

[delicate stream]

I wonder if anyone uses such computers for practical purposes...

[fossil scaffold]

this single module under ideal conditions already sucks down 1.46 watts

[delicate stream]

Yeah, discrete transistor computers can probably never compare to MCUs in power XD

[fossil scaffold]

Hah yeah, I'm almost 100% sure discrete transistor computers don't scale up for a reason.

Especially at high speeds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_computer

[delicate stream]

I want an ancient computer

[delicate stream]

I went to use an outside emoji on the announcement channel and it didn't have them, I got confused for a second because I forgot you can disable that per channel XD

[wary herald]

Just started the site last night: https://www.g3holliday.com

I know it says unsafe, I just haven't bought SSL yet

Yeah, doing that now hehe

[wary herald]

Wait, it's you

[delicate stream]

Yes I am me henlo

[wary herald]

The resurrected Doctor

[delicate stream]

I have come to reign chaos

[wary herald]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-muahahaha-evil-laugh-gif-4482837

[delicate stream]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-bwahaha-bobs-burgers-gif-5632048

[static flare]

It's definitely caught me out before

[delicate stream]

Glad I'm not alone XD

[loud ginkgo]

super out of context but does anybody knows a good site to download yt videos lmao

[late fulcrum]

I laid out a discrete transistor xor gate a while back, I should build it and see how it works

[late fulcrum]

How ancient?

[delicate stream]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cute-kawaii-starry-eyed-gif-12293497

yes

That looks like it's about the size of a notebook, I can easily hide it XD

[late fulcrum]

I'm in the process of repairing that one, it was subjected to reverse voltage. I am sincerely hoping the 6530 chips survived, as they are unobtainium

There's an adapter board available to replace one of them with a 6532 and some ancilliary logic, but I'd have to design a custom daughterboard to replace both of 'em.

[delicate stream]

Big project

[late fulcrum]

http://retro.hansotten.nl/6502-sbc/6530-6532/

The 6532 is pretty similar, has more RAM, no ROM, and doesn't have the factory burned in decoding logic. So a 6532 + ROM + some decoding gates can replace a 6530

[delicate stream]

Nice

[honest jolt]

I'd recommend the open source tool youtube_dl but it's really slow

But is better then those sketchy YouTube downloader websites

[delicate stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/547504080948559924/958950172983955466/277505854_10225680848702164_2213452084836477397_n.jpg

[honest jolt]

?

[delicate stream]

g3 is trying to hax0r you :P

[honest jolt]

Misconfiguration?

[delicate stream]

No SSL cert yet

[honest jolt]

Oh noooo my computer
AHHHH MY MOUSE IS MOVING BYITSELF

[honest jolt]

But it says it already has a cert

[honest jolt]

This server could not prove that it is www.g3holliday.com; its security certificate is from *.ingress-baronn.easywp.com. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.

That message suggests that it already has one

[umbral phoenix]

Let's Encrypt is free

[delicate stream]

I dunno, they said they didn't buy the cert yet XD

[shadow siren]

better use a ssl checker
https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.ingress-baronn.easywp.com&s=63.250.43.10&latest

The *.ingress-baronn.easywp.com gets a "A" rating so they have a valid and functional cert

could get a "A+" if you tighten up the ciphers and fix a chain issue, see the report

A namecheap cert

Wordpress site

generally in a cert there is the qualified name and it needs to match the site it's being use with. www.g3holliday.com != wildcard cert *.ingress-baronn.easywp.com

www.g3holliday.com could be set as a cname alias for g3holiday.ingress-baronn.easywp.com. then it would probably work

[fossil scaffold]

Yt-dlp is a youtube-dl fork with faster downloads

[fossil scaffold]

I'll have to see if I have some. I manage an electronics lab and we haven't thrown out a chip since the late 70's, I've sorted and bagged most of them. I have a ton of old CPUs and MCUs

[honest jolt]

Also, completely off topic of current discussion, but I find this extremely amusing

I think it attempted to boot off the Pico cause it appeared as USB drive lol

[late fulcrum]

The problem with 6530 chips is that they were customized at the factory. I think the KIM-1 needs a 6530-002 and a 6530-003

[honest jolt]

Also this is a first lol
They are finally learning what I want 🤣

[dusty citrus]

Yall

Wait madbodger can I ask you a question real quick in dms

[dusty citrus]

Ok nvm

Yall

I lost the game

[vernal yoke]

I use https://npmjs.com/ytdl

[honest jolt]

JavaScript 🥴
I love and hate it at the same time lol

[vernal yoke]

I love JS, but yes, it does have its fair share of wackiness

The lack of static typing is not wackiness, if anyone has that opinion

If you need static typing, just use TypeScript, simple. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest jolt]

It's super easy to learn and stuff which is why I like it
Only think I dislike that is that it tries its best to (and is very good at) dodge errors, which can be really annoying while debugging
Like, forgot to pass in an argument? That's fine, we'll just pass in undefined for you

[vernal yoke]

Well, it's useful

Being able to pass undefined

Optional args not being explicit might be a bad part of the language maybe?

Or it's just convenient

[blissful roost]

Just got my Pi Zero 2 W all hooked up and working. 🤘😎

[vernal yoke]

GG

[blissful roost]

Just been waiting... How many months since release?

[honest jolt]

And I'm used to Python and C++, (well, static allocation part or whatever it's called) so forgetting to use new trips me up every single time

[vernal yoke]

Surely a C++ programmer has used new before

And Python's lack of new is just wacko

No matter what someone says about JS

Well

Wacko and/or convenient

[blissful roost]

I need to get my brain into some Python.

[vernal yoke]

Less typing

[blissful roost]

Not looking forward to that. 🤣

[honest jolt]

Ah, my mistake, more just Arduino style C
Using dynamic memory allocation on embedded is well, not recommended on low end boards

But yes, I've used it before to initialize pointers (dies from using them)

[vernal yoke]

Yes, makes sense

A little obvious one could say

[honest jolt]

At least you won't end up breaking your ; and { and } keys, only your : key 🤣

And also your tab key

[vernal yoke]

Why would you break your } key?

Or your tab key?

[honest jolt]

Didn't think that one through, most IDEs will autocomplete that
And I guess tab is for all languages 🤦‍♂️

[vernal yoke]

Yeah, I was thinking of autocomplete

[honest jolt]

oNlY rEaL pRoGraMmeRs uSe NoTePaD

WithOuT auToComPlEtE aND syNtAx HigHlighTinG

[blissful roost]

Sorry, I don't use VIM. 🤣

[honest jolt]

"Help! I'm stuck inside the Vim editor and I can't get out!"

[real falcon]

notepad? wow thats high end luxurity editor

it actually displays charactors!

[umbral phoenix]

I like syntax highlighting, but turn off auto-complete. I've never used vim or emacs, and just used nano for the first time ever last week, but I have used vi on and off for a long time. If it's more than simple edits though, I want a Real® editor.

[real falcon]

used to use emacs a bunch while in college

[wooden schooner]

this sounds like you saying it's easy to learn and then explaining why it's hard to learn

[honest jolt]

Not hard to learn, just hard to debug lol

[wooden schooner]

maybe it's just that "learn" means different things to us 😛

javascript is easy to misuse, but I don't consider that learning

caveat, I'm talking about ES5 only. ES6 looks much better (except for the parts that were kept for backwards compatibility with ES5), but I haven't worked with it much

please consider any sass in the above directed 100% at ES5 and 0% at you 😄

[honest jolt]

Learning as in, how to code (ex. no types which makes it easier)

[wooden schooner]

even in the most basic of things, ES5 is terrible. Objects are confusing, messy implementations of a map/dictionary/etc. that expose irrelevant under-the-hood details. Arrays do not have reasonable indexing semantics. There is no integer type. Silent conversions to strings and booleans make reasoning about basic operations ridiculously unintuitive.

it's like learning to program on hard mode, without the associated skill gain if you succeed.

[lusty fossil]

Will UPS take a package back that has the wrong name/address on it? I got one for my address but not for someone who lives here

[vernal yoke]

ES5, right?

Not sure how ES6 "fixes" objects (maybe you're thinking of class?)

Not sure what ES version implemented Map

Not sure what you mean by unreasonable indexing semantics

In some version of ES, BigInts were introduced

And if you program properly, you won't convert silently to strings

And converting values to booleans is very convenient (like in C)

[wooden schooner]

it fixes them by providing better alternatives for the bad uses of objects in ES5. Also adds the of keyword for less insane iteration over objects. Can't do much more than that due to the requirement of backwards compatibility.

[wooden schooner]

6

[wooden schooner]

if you never make mistakes, and also never need to debug other people's code, feel free to ignore the above

[vernal yoke]

I do make mistakes, but I don't remember the last time I added an array to a string

However, I don't debug other people's code that often

[hasty wedge]

MacroPad RGB

(I turned the oled brightness all the way down to delay it's degradation)

(and yes, the computer is running Ubuntu)

[wary herald]

That's my host's cert - my site didn't have one at the time

I bought one and it is now waiting for validation.

[wary herald]

Yeah, that's my host. I now have one and am validating it now

[wary herald]

Yes

[wary herald]

No hax here 😇😇

[honest jolt]

Ohhhhhhh

[timid aurora]

Real quick question, what do you call this in english?

[shadow siren]

storage bin

I think it has a few names

[timid aurora]

hmmm

[shadow siren]

this is what amazon called them when I last bought some
Akro-Mils 08212Sclar 30210 Plastic Storage Stacking AkroBins for Craft and Hardware, 6 Pack, Clear

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01AADDBTI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

[lusty fossil]

I wonder, is the name "scratch awl" a pun?

[delicate stream]

Bin, stacking bin, storage bin, stacking storage bin are all the names that come up mind immediately

[static flare]

Those tubs I got but I kinda realised aren't as useful as I thought they'd be

[late fulcrum]

They're more useful if they're the stacking type and you have shelves or the matching wall mounts for them

[burnt tendon]

Otherwise, the odds are stacked against you

[blissful roost]

May the odds never be in your favour. /s

[delicate stream]

Tubs

[lusty fossil]

What did you call me?!

[delicate stream]

I called you friend

[lusty fossil]

Dawww

[delicate stream]

:3

[obtuse bronze]

Akro seems the trade name for the bin just like Kleenex and bandaid are for their respective producshttps://www.google.com/search?q=akro+bins&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS956US956&oq=akro+bin&aqs=chrome.0.0i355i512j46i199i465i512j69i57j0i512l5j0i457i512j0i512.6520j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[lusty fossil]

What does it mean when I have a server notification on the main icon but no channels show a notification and also marking the whole channel as read doesn't clear it?

[umbral phoenix]

Arduino? I suspect it’s related to today’s date.

[lusty fossil]

No, another server. But good call, probably that

Weird that a server can do that but whatever

[wary herald]

Yeah

[wary herald]

A tub or a bin

[wary herald]

I think they're live

[wary herald]

OK, I connected the SSL to the website now. Is it secure now?? https://g3holliday.com

[honest jolt]

Says we'll be back soon but chrome on Android isn't complaining 👍

[wary herald]

Try again??

I think it's online now - I had it in maintenance mode lol

[honest jolt]

👍

[shadow siren]

You got a "A+" from SSL Labs for your site.

[wary herald]

Cool, thanks

[wary herald]

Great 👍

[lusty fossil]

Can anyone foresee an issue refilling a target brand washing machine liquid dispenser with Tide? I bought two brands like a doofus

[stray wind]

Only issue I could see if they're different concentrations. You might end up way over-soaped if the Tide is more concentrated and the liquid dispenser releases more than should be added.

[lusty fossil]

They seem about the same?

I just like the dispenser of the target brand

I don't want to waste the 2/3 of a bottle of tide I have

[stray wind]

Worth trying.

[lusty fossil]

Yeah can always toss it

Thx

[stray wind]

YW

[burnt tendon]

I mean, if you ruin it, I guess it was all a wash anyway.

[crystal ore]

Yup, time and tide wait for no man...

[burnt tendon]

At least it's something you can bounce back from

[lusty fossil]

Related: are clothes you donate to a shelter supposed to be washed first, if they are new from the manufacturer? I got some cheap shirts that are decently well made, but I don't like the fit of, so I was going to add them to a pile of stuff I'm donating

[stray wind]

I think they often wash them anyway. I think if they're brand new with tags still on, they don't need to be washed. I would donate them with tags if you haven't already removed them.

[lusty fossil]

I haven't. Thanks. I'll make sure I make clear. I'm also giving away some shoes that are either not worn or barely worn.

[lusty fossil]

I'm so so tired of searching stuff for shafts and getting 90% golf related nonsense. Google needs to track me better. I haven't been within 50 feet of a golf course in 10 years

[quartz wren]

Lab has two more windows

Should be done insulating tomorrow and I'll be adding another light fixture inside near the desk area and fume hood

[tardy badger]

I think I found my maker passion again

Ordered some parts to finish a board

Also spun a new PCB yesterday

Slow process but I feel like I’m getting past my burnout

[crystal ore]

Any trick to it that you found helpful?

[lusty fossil]

iPad OS experts: how do I either close the window on the right or merge it with my other windows? Not finding this online

Or even expand the window so that it's full size?

[umbral phoenix]

maybe there's an easier way, but swipe from the bottom to show the dock, pick the app in the dock again, and it will show you the active windows. Swipe up on the one(s) to close.

[lusty fossil]

Ahh ok

[umbral phoenix]

more here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207582 & https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/open-two-items-in-split-view-ipad08c9970c/ipados

[lusty fossil]

Thanks. This is all very unintuitive to me. Also the buttons that the apple support article said to use, don't exist!

[umbral phoenix]

I have three little dots at the tops of those windows, but they're not in your image

[lusty fossil]

Not your article, one I read

Indeed! It's confusing

[umbral phoenix]

Apple used to be (long long ago) so against having modes where function was hidden

these days, I think there are so many features and we're out of simple buttons and gestures to handle them all

[lusty fossil]

Yeah it's an issue

[vernal yoke]

You swipe it to the right

You swipe the window to the right

It has been so long since I have used my mom's iPad (to play Bedrock)

You touch it there and swipe right

[blissful roost]

DIAWA. 😅

[static flare]

What's the name of the not I2C interface that's like, got 4 pins?

[edgy apex]

Serial?

[static flare]

Oh, I figured it out, it's SPI that I was thinking of

[edgy apex]

Today is Saturday which means it's meetup day for our small makers group. We have been working on a interactive computer museum with home assistant. I'm gonna try and use my glasses to record a pov video of what we have so far.

[tardy badger]

I mostly just closed the door to my tinker space and let myself have space away from it. I didn’t try to force myself back into it, and I waited for inspiration to try again

[crystal ore]

Gotcha, thanks. Yeah, this is something I'm wrestling with too.

[lusty fossil]

Heehee

[honest jolt]

I must be a robot then 😂

[static flare]

:(

[lusty fossil]

Oof to the guy sanding concrete with no respirator and his face right in the dust plume.

[static flare]

oof

[quartz wren]

Woooooo! Remaining insulation going in the lab today!

[quartz wren]

I was helping renovate a factory a while back and one of the new temps was told to wet the concrete and grind it...he interpreted that as grind it dry and then wet it...

He was working right next to me

I had to find something else to work on for a while

[lusty fossil]

Oof

Yeah

Don't want to breathe that in

[quartz wren]

But will it blend?

"factory dust. Don't breathe that"

[lusty fossil]

I accidentally taught the IG algorithm to show me stuff I don't want to see. I watch in horror when a vid shows up showing really greasy fried food being made. This registers as interest though, so now my feed is full of super greasy grilled cheeses and such.

[edgy apex]

Maker meetup went well I was able to get a decent video that shows the general idea of the museum. There are 3 pis, one on the adm31, one on the tv and one pi 4 running home assistant. There is a tof sensor in the doorway that starts it.
https://youtu.be/FN_viAIWTTg

[lusty fossil]

Has anyone ever used Splashtop wired display software to make an iPad into a monitor?

It's approved in the iPad app store, so it's reasonable likely to be secure there, but IDK about the windows side

[edgy apex]

I was having some issues with lightdm so I started thinking do I even need it? I went through everything, turns out I only need it for one of my programs which opens a cv2 window. I disabled lightdm, made that program start it, then stop it on exit so now piglass boots to cli and everything works fine. If I find another way to display the image then I might not even need lightdm at all which will save resources

[dusty citrus]

back in the day you'd just login at the Linux Virtual Console on a desktop PC and type

startx

No DM present at all. ;)

xdm may be fairly lightweight if you did need a login prompt in the same VC.

[edgy apex]

X chews up half the ram on a pi zero 2, things load better without it in my case, everything I do is using the framebuffer

[manic tide]

epic

[edgy apex]

Thanks, we have been working for while and it's still not done

[blissful roost]

I should mess around with mine today..

[quartz wren]

Lab insulating is complete

Next step sheetrock

[shadow siren]

make sure all cabling you want is done aka network and power

[quartz wren]

Yep that was done in the winter

[shadow siren]

cool wish I did not live in a apartment they frown on self done renovations

[quartz wren]

I've got bundles of Cat-5 in the walls, with 6 breakout points around the room. Each breakout has two cables going to each nearest neighboring breakout point and two from each point directly to where the fume hood is going

The fume hood endpoint

[shadow siren]

Cat 5e I presume

[quartz wren]

I think so? Got 1000' from a friend who was making it his new years resolution last year to use some of his wealth to help people in need lol

[shadow siren]

you will know because the twists in the pairs are all different rates

[quartz wren]

Let me check, it'll say on the cable and I've got a bunch left

Yep cat5e

[shadow siren]

good

who made the cable

brand

[quartz wren]

Let's just say 3/4 walls have this going on

[shadow siren]

just make sure you kept the cat5e approx 12" away from power runs to minimize 60 cycle hum in the network

[quartz wren]

Would a grounded plate between mitigate that?

I may have them too close

I think I went 6"

Iirc

Waaaay too much effort to pull it out and fix now

[shadow siren]

no it's when you run a parallel wire to ac the sine wave aka 60 cycles generates current in a unshielded wire, since most cat5e is utp not stp you can run into this issue

[quartz wren]

Right I have the power running about 6" above it

[shadow siren]

you can tell with a toner wand, if you hear a lot of whine in the network it got to close

[quartz wren]

Alright well I will have to check that before the sheetrock step

[shadow siren]

6" should be fine

[quartz wren]

[shadow siren]

termination is key, a good terminated cable with it's jacks with minimal twist unwind to achieve connection will make everything 1gig rated

[quartz wren]

Oh then I'll be fine, I don't have anything terminated yet

[shadow siren]

I would invest in levinton quick jacks and their tool for doing them

[quartz wren]

I will look into it... Have to ask my brother in law if he still works at fastenal because he said he could get me jacks for cheap

And I'm very much on a budget

Reused and repurposed as much as possible

[shadow siren]

check with some network guys they prob already own the tool

[quartz wren]

I'll probably be able to cover it soon though and I'm going to want the tool eventually

I'm looking into getting on disability

Turns out I'm well past a point of employability but I'd been too proud to accept it

[shadow siren]

don't scrimp on jack quality you would be surprised at how it can effect newotking

I do this stuff for a living

[quartz wren]

So I'm going to get the help available and I've got a plan to work towards building up a tool set to be able to have my own self sustaining company and get off of the disability eventually

[shadow siren]

big demand for IT and related skills at the moment

[quartz wren]

Yeah I'm aware that even the cycle count from low quality pins is a big deal

Especially for a network that's designed to reconfigure using patch cables and switches

I'll be able to have quite a few independent networks at once if I want

But I can also unify all the networks into one in the walls

[shadow siren]

yep patch panels the savior of networking

[quartz wren]

I am actually super happy that I got to build new rather than renovating a building for my lab

Just for that

[shadow siren]

I decided to see how many sensors I could hook to i2C on one controller I am up to 11

[quartz wren]

What's the unique ID limit?

[shadow siren]

I am running out of cables, limit is from 0x00 to 0xff so 255

[quartz wren]

That's what I thought

Technically 256

255 is just the highest id

[shadow siren]

yes but I am not sure if 0x00 is valid

[quartz wren]

Zero indexing is fun

Oh

Is it just like the dump or cancel? Haven't read the i2c spec in a while

[shadow siren]

according to adafruit
0x00 - Reserved - General Call Address
0x01 - Reserved for CBUS Compatibility
0x02 - Reserved for I2C-compatible Bus Variants
0x03 - Reserved for Future Use
0x04, 0x05, 0x06, 0x07 - Reserved for Hs-mode Master

[quartz wren]

I read it once because I wanted to make an SPI chip interact using the i2c interface using discrete components

[shadow siren]

I have not yet hit a sensor with same address

[quartz wren]

Got bored with the project when I figured out the logistics

[shadow siren]

all sensors on my desk are different

[quartz wren]

Turns out you basically just need a shift register and an address decoder and a bit of other logic

And if you make one controller it can actually act as the interface to however many devices your system can select

And if you set up a bidirectional parallel load / store shift register with some muxing you can even use parallel interfaces with i2c

(as well as some transparent latches to hold the data and addresses in transit)

But I was just exploring that as a proof of concept because I was bored and when I figured out how to do it I got bored again so I never built it

[shadow siren]

cool I will look into that

[tardy badger]

I tell ya, with the prospect of having to compete against investment companies to buy a starter home, it feels very daunting thinking about buying a house i the near future

Most of the homes in my area are north of $400k

[crystal ore]

Yeah, the housing market is pretty crazy right now. Prices are up, and mortgage rates are also up, which is a double whammy...

[lusty fossil]

This is why I live in that Heaven dimension from DBZ

[blissful roost]

My mum and her husband just finished paying off their mortgage.

Less than 6 years, but.. it was only £45k. Lol

[vagrant wolf]

just need to ask a question about this

https://aitelectronics.co.uk/products/usb-mini-humidifier-mist-maker-fogger

How would this manage to heat up the Water using only a 5V Usb connection?

[crystal ore]

45k? Around here that would be like a down payment ON a down payment...

[crystal ore]

Typically these use an ultrasonic piezo vibrator to mistify the water without turning it into steam. Like a mechanical version of a spray bottle.

[vagrant wolf]

Thank you.

[blissful roost]

The house should have been around £90k, but they got massive government discount.

[lusty fossil]

Yeah I think any property around me even for that full price would be mobbed by buyers within minutes

[blissful roost]

Yarp

Personally, I'm waiting until we move to the US... No point buying in the UK.

[lusty fossil]

Depends on where you move here, as I suspect it depends there as well.

California for example right now is absolutely off the wall

[blissful roost]

I'd love Cali, but I'm aiming East Coast.

[lusty fossil]

Ah gotcha. Yeah, really variable there

[blissful roost]

Somewhere between DC and NJ/NY

It's all about the tech jobs..
Cali would be really good, but it's too far from her family.

[lusty fossil]

Yeah most places with tech jobs are going full on right now housing wise

But lots can be done remote now, especially programming of course

[blissful roost]

...which I don't do. Lol