general-chat

[fading hare]

nice

[honest moth]

yeeeeeeee-

only issue is the price, given I can't afford THAT much and have rolled with what I am given for so long. WELP, time to start saving.

HOLY-

I didn't even check the new specs until now! 4.2 GHz!?

For the LOW-END????

[honest moth]

Check this out! https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition/configuration/edit

Only concern for me is the NVMe SSD being the only Hard Drive option.

I'm sorry, I'm flipping out over something you probably know about considering you recognized the name "Framework".

[fading hare]

Yeah, I've seen them before. 🙂

[honest moth]

Thought so...sorry!!

[fading hare]

don't be... they're cool

[honest moth]

Agreed!

[dusty citrus]

Parents rented a 'modern' house in 1965 that had Anderson windows (the crank-out jobs that pivot at the top and bottom).

That house also had some kind of central vacuum cleaner - there were hatches on the baseboards to plug a hose into.

So after that house, every house they've had since, had the Anderson windows. ;) Love 'em.

My brother bought a house that had tall narrow Anderson casement windows .. in pairs, maybe. Like: one large fixed pane framed by two narrow casement windows (like 12-14" wide glass by .. what .. maybe not quite 48" tall? I don't know)

Maybe it was just one narrow per one wide fixed.

[hasty wedge]

progress

[spice moss]

nasa stream of CRS-17 launch

[raw jasper]

I had no idea Krita had a windows port

[hasty wedge]

[raw jasper]

(Well-drawn art too!)

[hasty wedge]

more progress

drawn purely in ubuntu

[raw jasper]

Are you going to throw the drawing at Live2D or something when you’re done?

[dusty citrus]

Does exist some sort of cheap sbc with tons sata ports?
I have like 4/5 satas from my old desktop, and now I have a laptop, and I need some files from those drivers

[wooden schooner]

Would a single enclosure, swapping out the disks occasionally, not do?

[dusty citrus]

Yeah, but I mean would be cool to have some sort of nas

Or then automating the disk swapping lol

[hasty wedge]

Probably?

[raw jasper]

Yeah, I imagined you would do that 😄

[hasty wedge]

Not gonna use Live2D though

[raw jasper]

I have no idea about the software ecosystem you folks run on -- What are you going to use?

[hasty wedge]

because the software is closed source, it's EULA is stupid, and the company behind it is greedy

I will be using Inochi2D

[raw jasper]

Then, it sounds like a program to avoid 🙂

[raw jasper]

Haha, Live2D in Japanese 😄

[hasty wedge]

a free and open source Live2D alternative

written in D

[raw jasper]

This is the first time I hear of software written in D

[hasty wedge]

https://github.com/Inochi2D/inochi2d

[wary herald]

Whaddya think about AMD-Xilinx merger?

[hasty wedge]

AMD finally have something to compete with intel in the FPGA land

[wary herald]

Yeah...

RISC-V

[hasty wedge]

I am using Lattice so I don't really care

[wary herald]

I like Vivado tho

[raw jasper]

I used to use Xilinx

Haven't touched FPGAs in years though

[hasty wedge]

Lattice+APIO

[wary herald]

I currently use Xilinx Kria KV260 for AI and ML

Chonky fan's nice for that

[raw jasper]

Do tell more

I am looking at ways to accelerate various ML workflows, and would be interested in knowing more

[wary herald]

https://www.xilinx.com/products/som/kria/kv260-vision-starter-kit.html

[hasty wedge]

sounds expensive

[raw jasper]

(Disclaimer: Commercial operation)

[wary herald]

So you can spend your company's $200

It's real nice for blob detection

and things like that

[raw jasper]

Oh, we don't do CV. So, I doubt it will help

[wary herald]

Hmm, OK. Thanks anyway

[fading hare]

how does that compare to a Jetson TX2?

[raw jasper]

Thanks for the link/info, though, learned something new today, and I'm always appreciative of that! ^^

[wary herald]

Yeah, anytime 🙂

[wary herald]

https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/white_papers/wp529-som-benchmarks.pdf

The performance numbers on the K26 SOM of all the models are
better than the Nvidia Jetson Nano, and some models, like the SSD Mobilenet-V1, outperform Nvidia with throughput by more than 4X against Jetson Nano and around 2X higher against Jetson TX2.

https://tenor.com/view/copy-paste-paste-copy-ctrl-c-ctrl-v-gif-12913156

[fading hare]

🙂 it's comparing TOPS to TFLOPS though

which is basically the same thing, but a floating point is larger than a boolean, for instance, right?

anyway, I might pick me up some Krias.

[dusty citrus]

Ew I guess that it will not be safe to run the printer at night

Now I do understand wth the sound was

[fading hare]

I don't have any audio right now, what was the sound?

[hasty wedge]

that does not sounds safe

sounds like something is arcing

[dusty citrus]

Like bare cables touching

[fading hare]

oh snap

[hasty wedge]

I personally suggest you to get an electrical technician

and do a quick check on the wiring

[dusty citrus]

Problem is that I'm on rent, and I still live with my mother who like fears to adress issues to the landlord for some reasons

But jeez there's even the countertop that sounds like full of rats

[hasty wedge]

oh no

speak to the landlord

[lusty fossil]

Depending on where you live there might be legal avenues if the landlord refuses to fix it

[hasty wedge]

it's their responsibility to fix your issues

[lusty fossil]

Friend of mine didn't pursue those and then woke up to a house on fire from shorts within the walls

[hasty wedge]

[dusty citrus]

I guess that it will be faster to get some new switches

Though the rats.. huh

[raw jasper]

Thanks for the link! I have no idea where such a thing would be useful for me, but, I guess I always like finding out about new stuff ^_^

[hasty wedge]

you're welcome

also

progress

[raw jasper]

I’d find it interesting if you kept us updated during the model’s rigging

Definitely sounds like an interesting procedure, from what I saw in the docs you linked

[wooden schooner]

I've generally been under the impression that landlords want to fix serious issues with their buildings, because if they don't address it now it will cost them much more money (as well as other liabilities, which usually also translate to money at the end of the day) later

[dusty citrus]

Are you generating it in some way or doing it by hand?

[hasty wedge]

hand drawn

@dusty citrus

some previous progress reports

[raw jasper]

Heh, Fujitsu device. I have a Fujitsu motherboard, and it’s been very reliable.

[raw jasper]

I just noticed the lead 60 week lead time for the FPGA you linked 👀

[dusty citrus]

is it my impression or lately there's hype around fpgas?

[hasty wedge]

They're unobtanium

[raw jasper]

Yeah, use 8051 instead 😄

[hasty wedge]

[fading hare]

wait, what's an FPGA?

[raw jasper]

Last FPGA I bought was a Spartan 3e

I should still have it somewhere

[hasty wedge]

field programmable gate array

[fading hare]

in English, please 😄

reading up on it now

I guess these are used for crypto mining?

[raw jasper]

Yeah, sadly 😦

They are essentially large arrays of logic blocks (containing flip-flops, look-up tables, etc), that can be arbitrarily wired together inside the chip

[fading hare]

Crypto miners can eat a bag of slimy worms.

[raw jasper]

So, the user provides a description of the hardware they want to implement, written in a Hardware Description Language (like Verilog or VHDL), the software synthesizes this description into logic block connections, and the final design is uploaded to the FPGA

The FPGA then behaves like the described circuit, until a new design is flashed into it

[fading hare]

huh, that's cool

so what do people use them for? ML?

[raw jasper]

ML, condensing down complex circuits instead of making some weird PCB, System on a Chip design, algorithm acceleration, etc

[fading hare]

aha

I get it now. They've existed in some form or another for a while, right?

[raw jasper]

Yup!

But, the crypto miners latched onto them

Though most crypto uses ASICs now (which is the next step after FPGA), there are still some FPGA crypto miner designs

[fading hare]

smh

[raw jasper]

@fading hare , I'll need to build a new PC in the next 1-2 years. Any suggestions?

I definitely need lots of CPU cores & RAM, and a GPU for ML would be nice

[fading hare]

I am pretty dang happy with this Lenovo Legion that I just picked up.

and it has a full-powered 3050 Ti

[raw jasper]

12 threads.. Not great, not terrible!

Is the 3050Ti compatible with tensorflow?

[fading hare]

it has 80 tensor cores

[raw jasper]

..But only 4GB DRAM

So, I guess it would give me (some) grief for models on the larger side

[fading hare]

yah, at that point, why waste the money on a computer for training models? Just get a Jetson Xavier.

But, obviously, if you can find a graphics card with more RAM (that isn't marked up for NO RAISIN) then more power to you.

https://medium.com/analytics-vidhya/using-tensorflow-on-windows-10-with-nvidia-rtx-3000-series-gpus-637ab2a4b163

so it's apparently possible to do in Windows even ha

[raw jasper]

Oh wow, 16 weeks lead time, 1500$ cost

Definitely out of budget for personal experimentation ATM

[fading hare]

Well. Get a 2G Nano!

[raw jasper]

And also no stock at all! O_O

[fading hare]

I think the crypto miners bought them too.

They are the reason why we can't have nice things.

[raw jasper]

Oh wow, all 2G Nanos are out of stock too

Literally all of them

[fading hare]

Someone invented a way to use up massive amounts of electricity to produce nothing... a virtual concept of currency... They are the reason why we have "Energy Rush Hour" and similar crap.

I have taken to blaming everything on the crypto miners. Just like folks used to say "Thanks, [insert president name]!" whenever something was wrong.

oooh https://lambdalabs.com/blog/install-tensorflow-and-pytorch-on-rtx-30-series/

also supports the 3050 Ti

I guess it's time to dual boot this baby.

[raw jasper]

How is it, thermally?

I mean, the Lenovo Legion

Could I trust it with running something at peak load for, like, a week or so?

[fading hare]

It's a laptop with a 3050 in it. It's on fire. It's actually the CPU that gets hottest for some reason.

[raw jasper]

Oh, then it's not very useful to me

I need a desktop design

[fading hare]

I will report back to you on stability when I've used a cooling pad.

[raw jasper]

Which means going to the parts market

Which means getting price-gouged at retail, since I'll only build one system for personal use

[fading hare]

Yeah, in that case I don't have any great suggestions other than maybe playing the Newegg Shuffle to win the right to buy a card at a decent price.

[raw jasper]

I'm in Europe, no Newegg

But, I get what you mean 😄

[fading hare]

They have a thing called a "shuffle" which lets you basically put your name in a hat to buy different high-end graphics cards. If your name is picked, you get to buy the card.

[raw jasper]

Oh, LOL

[fading hare]

they do this so that the crypto miners can't buy up all the cards

you have to have an account, and they keep track of addresses and names and similar, so if you end up faking names, you're basically banned for life... not sure if they sue you or report you to the police, but yeah...

[raw jasper]

That's certainly an unique solution

[fading hare]

The only thing I am not super-fond of with this laptop is the keyboard layout, but, it's not for typing and coding, I have my 60% mech for that. The keys are nice. Actuate well, they have a nice sound to them as well. It has a numpad, and the issue (for me) when I type I use my fingers to feel the edges of keys to know where the backspace key is for instance... Can't reliably do that on this keyboard because the numlock key is right next to it, spaced at the same distance as the other keys...

as long as I don't make any typing mistakes, I'm less annoyed 😄

[raw jasper]

I hate keyboards with extra-wide spacing between the keys, which is a trend followed by some modern laptops

They definitely seem optimized for hunt-and-peck typing

[fading hare]

Hunt and peck?

I don't really use a real version of touch typing, but I never look at my keys.

[raw jasper]

Hunt and peck refers to the act of typing with, like, two fingers and visually hunting for each key, key after key

[fading hare]

Ah, yeah, no. I would go insane trying to work like that. I know some guys that are software developers that write code like that.

And that's just wrong. It's like... Planning Poker... they'll say it's a 5-pointer when it's more like a 2 or 3 pointer. I just want to scream in their face to learn to type faster. 😄

I generally do not get numpads, but, the laptop screen is so nice and big in 4K, that they included a numpad. And, I realized yesterday that, hey, I can use that numpad as a macro pad when gaming!

Funnily, they're already present as hotkeys in the Lenovo app, so I guess they did that on purpose.

[raw jasper]

I use my laptop's numpad with numlock disabled in order to quickly navigate text

My keyboard doesn't have dedicated home, end, pgup/down keys, so I have to use the ones on the numpad

[timid ermine]

My typing technique is hilariously bad and I don't use all of my fingers but my WPM is very good 😂 my dad was definitely a hunt and peck kind of guy though

[hasty wedge]

@raw jasper

[raw jasper]

I mean, it looks done to me

[hasty wedge]

still version 0

or I might call it

release candidate 1

[raw jasper]

Have you ever tried animating anything in 命2D?

[hasty wedge]

Nope

[raw jasper]

I looked at its state, and it seemed pretty unfinished to me

So, I'm not sure whether you'll manage to rig your model

[hasty wedge]

I am following their progress

[raw jasper]

Yeah, the authors seem determined to finish it

But, it seems far from finished yet

(To be honest, I formed my impression by poking around the repo for 10 minutes, and could definitely be very wrong! 😄 )

[silver shale]

I do not know how to describe my typing technique but sometimes I could reach 85 wpm.

[fading hare]

I need to check my WPM now that I have a new keyboard.

[honest moth]

UPDATE: Datavault 1.1 is receiving a full wipe as well as every other Drive not in use.

Reason/Goal/Aim: Project "Floppy Cube", a box roughly the size of modern Goldfish boxes with the custom framework necessary to house every storage medium I have collected over the years in a compact, sturdy, and practical Hard Drive array.

and that includes the Floppy Drive. Cooling will be my number one priority with a project like this. I mean, these are full-sized HDD'S, laptop HDD'S, USB'S, SD cards, and SSD'S we're talking about.

[honest moth]

no idea what i'm going to store on it.

or use it for

[raw jasper]

I think you are going to need a HVAC unit for this one 😄

[honest moth]

That's going to be way too big for what I have planned. If I can find a way to utilize the same cooling units found in average computers and make them stronger either through increasing airflow throughout the case or using liquid cooling if necessary, maybe even adding copper fins to EVERYTHING, then I should be fine.

[raw jasper]

I think you are giving yourself too much headache and trouble

[honest moth]

YA THINK!? [overly-eccentric/energetic sarcasm] @raw jasper
[This is where overthinking everything continues to kick me in the rear.]

[raw jasper]

just get a NAS and a few high density HDDs

It's gonna be cheaper & more reliable in the long run

[honest moth]

I know, but what am I going to use all these drives for then?

[raw jasper]

PC spare parts?

That's what I use my spare drives for

[honest moth]

I...sigh I suppose that's an option, but I don't like letting anything go to waste, or unused, if said things are still usable in their current form.

[raw jasper]

They are not going to waste if you keep them for spares

'sides, normal HDs are not really designed for 24x7 operation afaik

You're just going to give future you grief

[honest moth]

good point...

Datavault 1.1 has been successfully wiped.

[honest moth]

I mean, I understand why we are using the modded Ubuntu-formatted HDD to wipe the machine, but what happened to the Paradigm Project?

/* ...lost, just like [nullified]. */

[honest moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg7amxW8pwo

[quartz wren]

Hey hey!

Bday was good but now I can't sleep

I'm just like... Sitting here awake and exhausted because I was laying down awake and exhausted but I decided to take a break

[honest moth]

relateable

[silver shale]

Anyone have luck with getting modern Linux to run on a Pentium 4 (Prescott, 2006 era)?

Hangs without acpi=off but cannot get networking with that parameter.

[lusty fossil]

I asked this before but I can't remember the answer I got. I need a small number (5 ct would probably be overkill) of stickers with hole patterns on them so I can dremel out an enclosure. Does anyone know of a manufacturer that will do small runs of relatively large stickers (~18 in x 5-6in)

[dusty citrus]

There's a text-only based installer for Debian.

Once networking is working nicely you can add the GUI (Wayland or Xorg iirc).

[fading hare]

OK, I just have to put this here in this channel because I feel robbed. Betrayed by tantalizing promises of difficulty. Y'all said that compiling CircuitPython was hard. It's one of the easiest things I've compiled, to date. You ever tried to compile the Slackware kernel on a Dell laptop in the budding flower garden that was early 2000?

[raw jasper]

Does trying to compile Linux 2.* on an Intel Celeron count?

[fading hare]

(Hint it was extremely difficult to get all the peripherals and radios to work, and required manual configuration of the kernel every time)

[fading hare]

that counts

[blissful roost]

Define: Insanity. 😛

[raw jasper]

It took it ~24+ hours to finish! 😄

[blissful roost]

Nucking futs, that is.

[raw jasper]

(happy subnotebook fan noises)

[blissful roost]

I can't recall ever hearing the fan in my ThinkPad. 😛

[fading hare]

I don't even remember which kernel version Slackware had

oh, totally a 2.x kernel as well

thought so

[raw jasper]

2.* lived for a long time

[fading hare]

took me the better part of a week to get sound on that laptop with Slackware...

[burnt tendon]

https://xkcd.com/456/

xkcd: Cautionary

This really is a true story, and she doesn't know I put it in my comic because her wifi hasn't worked for weeks.

[wary herald]

haha

[wary herald]

Order coming tomorrow

[raw jasper]

Enjoy! 😄

[raw jasper]

@hasty wedge Ever since I viewed the 命２D repo, github has been suggesting 3D graphics repos to me 😄

[dusty citrus]

There was a very good guide on learn.adafruit.com to compile originally by Tony DiCola .. worked very well for me using a virtual environment.
I hadn't realized it'd compile natively in Linux .. I was following the guide to install a VM that ran .. Linux. ;)

vagrant was part of it iirc.

[fading hare]

lol

that's complicated

😄

I guess if you're not running Linux or Mac OS X, then it's complicated.

I guess if you're running Windows you prefer things to be extremely complicated in a weird, uncomplicated way.

[dusty citrus]

https://learn.adafruit.com/micropython-for-samd21/build-firmware

big orange sign today says it's deprecated. ;)

[fading hare]

https://learn.adafruit.com/building-circuitpython/build-circuitpython

that's the one to follow

[dusty citrus]

But the VirtualBox/Vagrant method should still work.

(similarly to doing it all on a DigitalOcean 'droplet' I'd guess).

I rebuilt CircuitPython with the sole aim of dimming the color LED patterns, back then. ;)

I remember it as being straightforward. ;)

This was my favorite page:
https://learn.adafruit.com/building-circuitpython/manual-setup

[fading hare]

🙂

I just run Windows in a VM instead. About a million times easier.

With VirtualBox the way it is today, there's nothing preventing me from hooking up stuff to COM ports and whatever else.

[dusty citrus]

any port in a storm

[fading hare]

Everything is better than Windows. Unless you want to play games. Then I advise you to get disposable income and buy yourself a separate gaming rig. Or, I dunno... a console?

By the way. CSS has eaten my brain.

🧟

[dusty citrus]

I used w3.org iirc as a reference for CSS.

(html validation site .. maybe associated with CERN)

[fading hare]

Oh, it's just a bunch of newfangled poppycock with variables and SASS.

[wooden flint]

Why is there always solid black borders around most display modules? Is it just useless plastic/glass, or is there a more specific/technical reason for it?

A bad example:

But even on the official rpi 7" touchscreen there is a massive useless black border

[crystal ore]

Often that's where the row/column wires and driver circuitry connect to the pixels, I think.

[wooden flint]

Ah okay, that makes sense. So what about those "seamless" / "borderless" displays like those high-end monitors and such

or even like mobile displays

[crystal ore]

Yeah, they just take more care with the design to have that portion of the circuitry elsewhere, like on extra layers under the screen, I'd expect. Probably more expensive.

[hard mica]

See also https://rsbohn.github.io/red-eagle/

[wooden flint]

I see. It's a shame we makers don't have access to this stuff 😦

[wooden flint]

inserts 'undefined' when input empty new lines then Ctrl-Enter

[crystal ore]

Heh, I consider it a miracle that we have access to as much easy PCB fabrication tech as we do. Under normal circumstances we'd all be choking on ferric chloride while we etch circuit boards hand-drawn in Sharpie...

[wooden flint]

Oh yeah for sure. I am super grateful these things as well. If only Samsung would give us their displays 😆

I personally use and love https://oshpark.com/ their PCB's are amazing quality

Like a glass finish PCB compared to the cheaper finishes from companies like JLCPCB and such, I have tried a few of them by now.. Always go back to OSH Park, they just have truly amazing quality all around

OSH Park used to be called PurplePCB.com or something like that, pretty sure I found them from a random YouTube video, can't go with anyone else now...

[hard mica]

Try 3*3.

[wooden flint]

that does nothing

[wooden flint]

oh wait sorry I forgot to Ctrl-Enter, it works

it does insert cows in some cases

I pressed Ctrl-Enter right where my cursor is

[hard mica]

One line at a time. It's javascript.

[wooden flint]

It's all new lines.

[hasty wedge]

darkplaces

I play an unhealthy amount of quake

[raw jasper]

So that explains the suggestion 🤣 (I’ve never played quake)

[fading hare]

some of those could be OLED, which has different wiring altogether from an LCD

[fading hare]

been there, done that...

[fading hare]

Was part of a home-ec/tech extra curricular I took in grade school in Sweden. That was on top of the textile and wood shop classes. No expenses spared for the privileged Swedish children (no matter their socioeconomic, racial, religious, or political status) across the country.

My classes might have been slightly better because I lived in a rural area, so obviously my wood shop teacher was going to be a freakin' master, and so forth.

Our art teacher was probably the weirdest, and probably more into teen girls than our gym teacher. Both of them were creepy.

All the other teachers were mostly fine. Except for my English teacher. She absolutely detested me because I refused to learn "The Queen's English." I had a few things to say to her in return, which obviously did not endear me to her.

Turns out, bullied and a pariah, hating school and school work, longing to be back home, where I am safe, I still scored in the 99th percentile or some ridiculous thing for the Standardized English Test given to all students in Sweden. So I was like a 1-percenter for a brief flash of my life, in something. So, this woman still gives me a 3 on a 1-5 scale for my final grade in 9th. Even though I was the cantankerous Gollum in the back of the class, basically every girl in my class, when they heard of that score, marched into that teacher's office and made her change my grade on the spot to a 5. Sometimes people are nice, and that's awesome. Just wish it could have been a thing for the other 9 years.

Also, I will never speak "the Queen's English" because it sounds absolutely preposterous and what's a lorry, and how do you use a lift, and I definitely don't know why there's a bonnet on my car or why the color has a silent U in it. What's petrol, my precious? Can we eat it?

But, I digress. 😄

All I really wanted to say was... I really enjoyed those home-ec/tech classes. Except for the home-ec classes where we had to try the weird French cheeses with mold. Blue/green cheese. Yeah, I almost threw up in the classroom. Teachers back then (in Sweden) had no worries about lawsuits, angry parents, or whatever, so she tried to force me to eat the cubes (they were not insignificant) and you know, people forcing you to do things you don't like or don't want makes you really good at faking it. They didn't discover the moldy cheese cubes I stuck (with no other adhesive than the disgusting cheese itself) under my chair until summer cleanup. That's when all students would come together and do a sort of spring cleaning before the summer break.

So, those pieces of cheese sat there for approximately 2-3 months if I remember correctly.

[raw jasper]

Pretty sure you discovered a new kind of moldy cheese there

[fading hare]

The French would have been all over it.

Other than that, the home-ec kitchen at my school was amazing. I learned a lot of really cool stuff, which I ended up never using as a teen/young adult, because noodles, and nutella, and toast, and cheap beer. But, I remember them to this day and use some of those tricks.

I wish kids in the US, and elsewhere, were afforded these "luxuries" as you call them. We call them "basic human rights."

[raw jasper]

Instant Noodles: Only 500% more sodium, at half the price

[fading hare]

But then again, Sweden doesn't rely on a sub-poverty-line working class to sell them hamburgers and build their houses.

[fading hare]

ALL DAY

[raw jasper]

Now new special course: Cardiologist’s Friend: Salt + MSG = Sodium Extravaganza

[fading hare]

You know, when they banned MSG I was pretty upset.

[raw jasper]

Who banned MSG?

o_O

[fading hare]

I was super angry in a way that can only be conveyed in curse words.

Sweden. The US. Restaurants are no longer allowed to use it.

And probably other places in Europe.

[raw jasper]

Why? It’s pretty benign as far as spices go

(I know, I know, health scare)

[fading hare]

Some lobbyist/health activist/other spice vendor talked to the right people and made them believe that it was dangerous.

EVERYTHING DELICIOUS IS DANGEROUS FOR YOU

😄

oh snap

I didn't know

wow

OK. I am already fourteen peeps short of an Easter basket, so maybe I will never eat popcorn again.

Same thing with Aspartame. Cancer, straight in your body.

Jack drinks Diet Coke, Jack gets cancer. Jack is dead.

(Fight Club impression)

[hasty wedge]

Release candidate 2

(If you can tell the difference between RC1)

[wooden schooner]

lmao, I'm imagining an alternative universe high school experience where "every girl in my class" have the ability to make the teacher change someone's grade

[raw jasper]

https://www.dhmo.org/

[lapis bluff]

Be careful around DHMO. Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known killer, many millions die each year from over exposure, and some addicted folks even die from withdrawal.

[fading hare]

Real story, bro.

[blissful roost]

I prefer the People's English, because no Queen owns it.

[raw jasper]

We are all DHMO addicts 😄

[verbal hazel]

https://chng.it/hTtstw8DHX
Yes, I totally realize that for so many reasons this couldn’t happen, but the concept is still amusing.

[lusty fossil]

I'd settle for just "Swap '==' and '===' in Javascript."

But seeing as that could crash some rockets, maybe it's not a good idea either.

[gloomy blaze]

madblodger that thing, it was nothing only a big misunderstanding. Thank you.

all of them

[round dagger]

@idle lion look at my new baby lol love this thing....

[honest moth]

I believe I have decided, primarily because I am going to need the tools included in this distro anyways, as well as it offering me direct hardware access to optimize my machine for maximum efficiency.

I'm putting Kali Linux on my daily driver.
[Aka, Debian with a hint of H A C K E R M A N .]

[honest moth]

Awesome, congrats!

[dusty citrus]

kali yuga

[static flare]

Just saw someone selling a whole bunch of EE stuff, including a metric ton of EPROMs

I want it so bad, it's a shame I'm too poor

[lusty fossil]

If I never eat another salad with lettuce as a base again, I'll die happy.

It's literally green water that is lying about being a leaf.

Spinach wins every time

[crystal ore]

I'd dispute that, but can we at least both agree to hate kale? 😉

[lusty fossil]

I don't mind kale in moderation

But it should be an accent to a salad, not the main portion

No more than 50%

There's a kale/spinach Salad at a grocery store by my work that I really like

[static flare]

I like savoury crunchy water though

[dusty citrus]

I know that there are things like the tapo tp100, that are plug and play for the outside

But are there any plug and play outlets? I haven't still fixed the arching outlets

[static flare]

Wdym?

[dusty citrus]

Like standard outlets/switches, but with added "smart" functions, like being able to turn on and off the outlet/switching, check-in consumes, setting timers and etc from a smartphone/other device

And that it works straight out of the box, I don't want to deal with the software, just put in the cable, and ready to go

[thick wind]

I don't know of any IoT device that doesn't need some software-side configuration as these smart devices need, at minimum, wifi credentials to work at all.

[dusty citrus]

Neither something prebuild, that only needs the bare minimal edit to work?

[thick wind]

The problem is that the simplest way to connect something like a smart plug would be to pair the device with the phone to modify the credentials, and the easiest way to get the average consumer to be able to do so is to make an app for it. Depending on your definition of "bare minimal edit," I could say all of them, or none of them.

@dusty citrus what part of the setup process are you trying to avoid?

And what are you referring to when you say "arching outlets?"

[fading hare]

👀 now they're scalping MEGA32U4s? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000291499840.html Hahaha, I saw it and I was like, for how many? 😄

Guess they make more money that way instead of shipping them at whatever DigiKey pays for them.

[stoic mesa]

$25 per piece?????
you got to be kidding me

[thick wind]

Is that new? I always thought they were massively overpriced...

[shadow siren]

well I did find another seller on Aliexpress selling them for about $6 a piece

[fading hare]

that's a better price, for sure

[shadow siren]

this was the link, they sell in lots of 10 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003076453514.html

[dusty citrus]

I'm not understanding you, basically I need something like this, but with the previously described features. I don't know if they do exist, but plugs that do the same thing do exist

[shadow siren]

that looks like a italian power plug https://www.power-plugs-sockets.com/italy/

type L socket

[thick wind]

Something like this? https://www.loratap.com/wifi-smart-eu-socket-german-plug-16a-voice-control-with-google-home-alexa-echo-app-timer-and-remote-control-the-devices-p0029.html

[wary herald]

Lol

[wary herald]

Thanks - It's just a HUZZAH

[wary herald]

Yass - kale is badddd

[wary herald]

But so is spinach

[wary herald]

Ender 3??

[round dagger]

yes with a 235mm build plate glass.

[fading hare]

Uh. I just had a salad with spinach AND kale, and it was delicious.

[wooden schooner]

It's nice when they are shredded and mixed together as the base

Also we may want to draw a distinction between lettuce and iceberg lettuce

[blissful roost]

I currently have a salad of meat and meat. 😄

[wary herald]

Oof

Agree to disagree

[fading hare]

It was amazing!

[wary herald]

Sometimes it's good with dressing and other fixin's

[wary herald]

Nice

[wary herald]

That's the best kind hehe

[blissful roost]

🥰

[wary herald]

https://tenor.com/view/meat-gif-8577082

[fading hare]

I like meat, too. But, I am on a restrictive diet for medical reasons, so can't really have anything other than Mediterranean Diet compatible foods.

My wife on the other hand is a full-on herbivore.

Although, I must say, if you like meat and you brag about how much you like meat and how salads and greens are just dumb, then I am going to have to insist that you show me a picture where you legally hunted and killed an edible land mammal that was larger than a squirrel.

Otherwise, hand over your meat card.

you probably can't post it here, because children, but, feel free to dm me 😄

[swift ferry]

How do you folks pronounce sudo? I'm noticing that way most peeps say it rhymes with judo but I've always seen it as short for "super user do" so for me it rhymes with voodoo.

[stray wind]

Super user do. So, same as you.

[tawdry tulip]

I'm in the Pseudo camp

[umbral phoenix]

I wonder what the Venn diagram is for: soo-doo/soodoh, gif/jif, two-pull/tup-pull

[swift ferry]

@stray wind I almost tagged you again during the deep dive so we could all tell you again how much we appreciate you but I didn't want to upset the flow of what Scott was doing.

[stray wind]

Thanks! 😊

[unkempt nimbus]

sudo like voodoo

[fading hare]

what ever that sounds like

[umbral phoenix]

I'm team soo-dough

[swift ferry]

I think I might try to ask the people who who originally wrote it. It turns out this was at the University of Buffalo and it was when I attended and I sorta knew some of the BSD Unix people there but it's been a long time.

[umbral phoenix]

that rule makes the ghif / jif debate --> JIF

[tawdry tulip]

Nasty

[swift ferry]

Tomato/Tomato

[raw jasper]

I pronounce it as sudo like pseudo, so similar to @fading hare

[swift ferry]

https://www.sudo.ws/about/history/

[stray wind]

My response to that is always to pronounce "giraffe" like the g in "good".

[fading hare]

doesn't work in Swedish because giraffe isn't pronounced the same

but yeah, let's assume that English is a universal language that everyone speaks 😉

[stray wind]

Bummer! It's a hilarious sounding word when pronounced wrong. 😄

[swift ferry]

I kinda knew Gretchen and and Don and I worked with Phil Bechtel at one point. I'm definitely going to try ti get in touch with people. Ha, did I mention that I'm old?

[fading hare]

haha, lemme record the swedish version, it's silly

[raw jasper]

I mean, isn't English the one language that everyone has to learn? 😄

[fading hare]

giraff

[stray wind]

OK that is way better.

[fading hare]

Not even the people that live in the US have to learn to speak English, which is something I find pretty odd. 😉

[raw jasper]

Your recordings are very clear! How is this witchcraft possible? 😄

[fading hare]

Are they?

[honest moth]

why?

[fading hare]

I am using a Razer Seiren X microphone.

Not sure if there's any background noise or if the audio is scrambled in anyway and you were just being sarcastic, @raw jasper 😄

[raw jasper]

No, I am not being sarcastic, the microphone seems to work fairly well, as far as microphones go at least

Context for kali yuga, because I had to look it up (from the Good Wiki):

The Kali Yuga, in Hinduism, is the fourth and worst of the four yugas (world ages) in a Yuga Cycle, preceded by Dvapara Yuga and followed by the next cycle's Krita (Satya) Yuga. It is believed to be the present age, which is full of conflict and sin.

[honest moth]

I found that out, which prompted me to think that they were calling Kali bad, considering the context is bad.

But idk, I could be wrong and/or overthinking this, as I do with everything.

[honest moth]

ty though

[raw jasper]

I mean, naming a cracking-oriented distro after the age of conflict and sin isn't that unfitting

[dusty citrus]

No I was just being .. associative. wrt kali yuga

[fading hare]

They named it after the Goddess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali

I removed that preview because... choppy chop

[late fulcrum]

I asked Callie if she was a goddess. She said yes.

[real falcon]

if someone asks you if youre a god, always say yes

[raw jasper]

Good cat :3

[lusty fossil]

😻

[honest moth]

Oh blimey

my sincerest apologies!

[dusty citrus]

we used to kid people that they should be known as Mahatma Kaliyuganand ;)

[stray wind]

Land of the free. 🙄 I mean, on some level, if you don't want to learn a language, don't. But the world is so interconnected at this point, that putting some effort into learning other languages so you can communicate with others in their native language seems like it's an obvious yes. Many other countries teach multiple languages from very young, which is when you should really start, and in some countries you're basically taught multilingually throughout all of your pre-uni schooling. Other languages are not as important to American education, which is a pretty serious oversight, in my opinion. Kind of reeks of entitlement in the end, to me anyway, that we, as a country, expect all others to learn English and rely on that. That said, I can understand a few other languages, and stumble my way through the basics in them, but I don't know other languages fluently enough to have a normal conversation. But when visiting other countries, I put a lot of effort into learning what I can while I'm there, and usually within a couple of weeks, I'm conversational. But I lose it when I come home because I don't use it.

[honest moth]

Heh heh, got it ;)

[stray wind]

@honest moth Sorry, it was the repeated letters. The bot doesn't know when you're simply excited, versus sending nonsense.

We had an issue for a but there with a lot of spammers sending nonsense messages with a lot of repeated characters.

[honest moth]

I know, it's just doing it's job while running off of the code and references it has been given.

[stray wind]

Yep!

[honest moth]

always spammers isn't it?

[stray wind]

Spammers that ended up defining what we needed the bot to catch, anyway.

[fading hare]

I can relate. Most of the people I grew up with in Sweden were at least trilingual. They'd know Swedish, English, and then whatever language from the country they immigrated from. Some of them had wonderful mixes of stuff, like a few of my friends had a dad from Germany and a mom from Italy, so they spoke fluent Swedish, English, German, Italian, and some conversational French.

[stray wind]

That's amazing. My mum is American, but speaks nearly fluent German (from high school) and Italian (decided to learn because she visits there every year).

[fading hare]

nice

These days I am bilingual. I still have moments where I freeze in the middle of a meeting or whatever and people look at me like I just grew two heads... "Sorry, was trying to find a suitable synonym in English but kept coming up with Swedish ones..." and then I have to give some lame approximation to what I was trying to say. 😄

[stray wind]

Her brain nearly broke visiting Bolzano. Folks speak German and Italian intermixed, and she said it was incredible to try to keep up.

[fading hare]

Nope. That place sounds worse than rural Wales.

[stray wind]

She'll do that with German when trying to speak Italian. The German word pops into her head before the Italian word sometimes.

[fading hare]

I mean, rural Wales is absolutely gorgeous, but, you can't understand a single thing the older folks are saying. (Even when they speak English)

[stray wind]

She visited because of Ötzi, Europe's oldest known natural human mummy. Also called the Iceman.

[stray wind]

Valid!

[fading hare]

Yup, I've visited Ötsi.

[stray wind]

Nice!

[fading hare]

Didn't bother communicating with anyone, so I didn't know 😄

[lusty fossil]

The same is true of some communities along the US gulf coast. Really interesting dialects of english down there

[fading hare]

Why does Adobe UX require some obscure 3D DDI feature level 10 for no reason? I am going to have to install it on my gaming laptop, I suppose. Was trying to run in VirtualBox with Windows 10, but it's only got feature level 9, but alas.

[fading hare]

Interesting! Whereabouts? Louisiana?

[lusty fossil]

Yup! Texas too.

Fisher communities that have been there for centuries (colonizer communities, there are native folks who've been there longer)

[fading hare]

The French influences are hard for me, I am terrible with French.

[lusty fossil]

Since well before the Louisiana purchase

[stray wind]

French is one of the languages I can fumble my way though.

[stoic mesa]

"We have really everything in common with America nowadays except, of course, language"
(c) Oscar Wilde

[fading hare]

😄

[stoic mesa]

I had the honor of knowing Russian linguist Andrey Zaliznyak who could talk about 40 languages, 15 of them fluently. But I couldn't verify it myself 🙂

[fading hare]

Wow. Way to name-drop.

[stoic mesa]

sorry

[fading hare]

😄

Wasn't Tolkien up there as well in the language count?

[burnt tendon]

I guess he was... Russian through his language lessons all the time.

[fading hare]

(don't know if anybody got my emoji rebus)

[stoic mesa]

scratching my head

[fading hare]

[tells joke], [laughter], [drumroll], "I'm here all week, folks, please tip your waiters and waitresses, and don't forget to try the Veal!"

[hasty wedge]

https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/02/23/fidi-fast-prototyping-with-circuitpython-circuitpython-omzloelec/

Politically incorrect

And it brings you to Sparkfun when clicking on the link?

[fading hare]

they're friends with SparkFun

[hasty wedge]

Oh adafruit, you're too nice to sparkfun

[fading hare]

and vice versa

[hasty wedge]

Really?

[fading hare]

I thought so?

[hasty wedge]

I read some articles on sparkfun that was really hostile to adafruit

[fading hare]

Link? Feel free to DM.

[hasty wedge]

And at that point I just stopped purchasing anything from them

[fading hare]

If that's a thing, then I should probably never order there again.

[lusty fossil]

also their smol boards are a weird form factor so ha!

#brandloyaltyisalwaysworthitright?

[hasty wedge]

https://www.sparkfun.com/news/2306

@fading hare

[fading hare]

Sounds more like PT started it 😄

[hasty wedge]

[fading hare]

I mean, what he wrote wasn't super nice either ¯_(ツ)_/¯

so, it's basically a couple of dudes duking it out on their blogs... I think I'll remain a customer of both companies.

[real falcon]

why is that word not pc? not faimiliar with that word at all

[fading hare]

which word?

[real falcon]

circled in last image

[fading hare]

Oh, it's using QWIIC instead of STEMMA/QT

[lusty fossil]

I think that was a joke

[fading hare]

because QWIIC is a SparkFun thing

[hasty wedge]

Yeah

I was joking

[real falcon]

ahh ok

[fading hare]

so, anyway, I don't see anything in what Nate from SparkFun wrote that will make me stop spending money with them, and it certainly didn't affect my spending habits with Adafruit (which are... intense, for a random dude with a hobby).

[hasty wedge]

Same

[fading hare]

Like I said, just a couple of electronics wolves duking it out on their blogs. That 5 people have read. 😄

[hasty wedge]

My spending habit with adafruit is concerning

[lusty fossil]

It's nice being able to spend someone else's money at adafruit

[hasty wedge]

Oh also, aside from these blog posts

[thick wind]

I'm the odd one out, then. I haven't been able to pull the trigger on any orders after the first...

[hasty wedge]

Sparkfun items are more expensive and they use HASL instead of adafruit's ENIG

Their learning guide is just okay

I spent 1 hours figuring out how to flash the uf2 bootloader on their micromod

[lusty fossil]

yeah the sparkfun learn stuff is really not as good. They also have some boards that adafruit don't have.

[hasty wedge]

Because there is no mention whatsoever on the guide

[lusty fossil]

I keep both in my quiver

[fading hare]

Adafruit has the best learning site, hands-down.

[hasty wedge]

Despite myself being a vtuber, I don't simp on any streamer

Except for JP

His 50% offs are just way too attractive

[fading hare]

wait, who

[hasty wedge]

And "I might also pick this up while purchasing this week's discount item"

[hasty wedge]

John Park

[stray wind]

?showtimes

[solar ridge]

Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/Scott - 5pm ET Fridays
FoamyGuy's CircuitPython Stream - 11am ET Saturdays

[stray wind]

JP's Product Pick of the Week 🙂

[hasty wedge]

Yup

[fading hare]

gotta tune in for that!

[stoic mesa]

I have bought from both Sparkfun and Adafruit and like both companies. IMHO, Adafruit learn guides are superior - this is probably the main reason I buy from Adafruit more.

but there are some products Sparkfun has that have no analog at Adafruit - like their RTK GPS solutions

and yes, they were first with qwiic - StemmaQT appeared later

[hasty wedge]

[fading hare]

😄

[subtle fable]

Got a bunch of bottles from my work to make vacuum chambers with

Now i just need a glass cutter

[lusty fossil]

Adafruit ships from NY right? Anyone have good luck with First Class Mail? It's tantalizingly cheap compared to the cheapest non-public option

I can wait a week but if I don't have to..

[crystal ore]

I think it does have a weight and size limit, but if you're ordering something small, it should work fine.

[lusty fossil]

Just a qt py

I'll risk it

even priority mail is much cheaper than UPS Ground

[stoic mesa]

I always used first class mail, works quite well

[lusty fossil]

nice thanks

[hasty wedge]

Release candidate 3

[umbral phoenix]

I use first class mail for my smaller orders, 1/3 the cost only slightly longer.

[lusty fossil]

I went with priority

[vernal yoke]

Nice terminology

[fading hare]

it's been working good for me, like 4-5 days instead of 3

[tardy badger]

Not sure if there are any Ukrainian members on this server but I hope you’re safe ❤️

[stoic mesa]

I got this from my friend in Kiyv:
"They are quite close, 30km from the part of Kiyv we live. "
But so far my fiends are OK.
I am afraid if say everything I feel right now, I will be banned on this server, so I will take a break.

[tardy badger]

Wishing your friends health and safety.

Also, just as a way to support any victims of what’s happening, donating blood, supplies, and money to humanitarian organizations is vital so if you are able, it could save lives

[snow olive]

https://youtu.be/FruXAptjfPY

[honest moth]

What makes this situation even worse is the media blowing things out of proportion, saying we are already going to war even though we might not have reached that stage. I don't know what is real or not right now, considering that everything is biased and common knowledge is being overtaken by personal opinions/statements, making facts hard to come by considering the circumstances, but all of you in Ukraine have my full support through and through. I wish you all the best and I sincerely hope nothing comes of this.

[lusty fossil]

FYI, you can get USPS to deliver to your door if you just don't get the mail for weeks such that they can't physically access your mailbox anymore. Has the side effect of making your mail carrier hate you, so keep that in mind.

[tardy badger]

Yes, you’re right. Media rhetoric seems to play a role in inflaming the situation but that shouldn’t detract from the fact that there is a real threat and that has been proven in 2008 and 2014. And now with reports of troop buildup on the polish border, we can’t discount delusion from pushing into deeper waters. I worry for our world that we have forgotten how human nature can lead some people to diluted ends. I simply hope all this ends without further loss of life and home

[hasty wedge]

Is this server supposed to be this political?

I am very uncomfortable after reading all of these

[blissful roost]

Does seem that the rules prohibit it.

[honest moth]

Should we change the topic? @blissful roost

[blissful roost]

Seems like a great idea to me.

[fading hare]

I'll delete.

Someone started the topic and didn't feel comfortable with me not toeing the party line.

[ocean sigil]

Thanks for ending the conversation here. This is a very difficult time and we all have many thoughts to share. There are better places for that.

Let's make stuff!

[wanton thistle]

Does anyone else end up with a ton of PCBs after a project? Ie after all bugs and revisions have been worked out and you have a final good PCB, what do you do with the rest? Anyone try to sell them on tindie?

[fiery hearth]

i'll just leave this here for you and run away...
https://github.com/TheMindVirus/Mega68K

[hasty wedge]

It'll be nice to be able to do that

I am not interested selling mine

But a PCB giveaway on tindie does sounds interesting to me

I can giveaway all of my spare PCBs

[snow olive]

You should be, this means you are still human. War is not political, war is suffering, pain, loss. And these should make you feel very uncomfortable.

[honest moth]

nearly cooked my hdd moving partitions around due to overheating issues.

this is what I get for salvaging old HDD's

[hasty wedge]

oh overheating HDDs

My hand nearly got burned when I touched my seagate SAS HDD

They're hot and noisy

[raw jasper]

I just put the HDDs in my NAS and don’t touch them

The NAS has built in temperature monitoring 😄

[honest moth]

welp, you're lucky then. ***mine most likely doesn't. NOT EVEN COPPER FINS DO ANYTHING TO HELP! 🤣 ***

[raw jasper]

Well, on the other hand, you are using Museum-grade hard drives from 200X 😄

[honest moth]

accurate. latest graphics card I have is from 2007.

chances are this drive is too

[honest moth]

I mean, it still works!

[raw jasper]

Yes, but how well?

[raw jasper]

Can’t blame you, what with the GPU shortage and everything

[honest moth]

Right?

[honest moth]

Well enough to hold more than the needed storage space to archive everything.

That's what it's being used for rn.

[raw jasper]

I’d like to make a fancy system one day with one of those new 12+ core CPUs

Because one can’t have enough threads 😄

[honest moth]

Aye, same. Most powerful machine I have runs with a dual-core 2.6-3.2 GHz CPU.

[raw jasper]

Most powerful system I have at home has 4 cores (8 threads)

[honest moth]

blimey, lucky you!

[hasty wedge]

何小綾_Project

[rapid oak]

thx

are you in college

[hasty wedge]

yes

[rapid oak]

which

[hasty wedge]

secret

[rapid oak]

also im assuming this https://github.com/Kashouryo is not ur main github

[hasty wedge]

some tech school

[hasty wedge]

it's mu github for embedded projects

[rapid oak]

intresting

you are a cool person

[hasty wedge]

thank you

[raw jasper]

Some small design

Interesting 漢字

Is this an embedded design pun? 😄

[hasty wedge]

no

何小綾 is my character's name in Kanji

[raw jasper]

Yeah, I was referring to the kanji’s meaning

(Small figure or design, IIRC)

[hasty wedge]

It's not an embedded pun

no

[raw jasper]

I see!

Also, your GitHub is interesting, and I’d follow it, if my only gh account wasn’t under my real name

[hasty wedge]

well

my github was also under my real name

so i think it's fine

[raw jasper]

BTW, I noticed you have some UTAU stuff in your github

Have you checked out SynthV?

https://dreamtonics.com/synthesizerv/

[silver shale]

what do you guys think of Android in general? I think it has great potential as a mobile Linux OS but there are a lot of problems with it though.

[honest moth]

The Repair-o-matic Command [DEBIAN]
[Subject to change. Just a name I gave this, no idea if it has an actual name aside from the commands that make it up.]

sudo snap refresh; sudo apt-get update --fix-missing; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing; sudo dpkg --configure -a; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt autoremove; exit

I missed you Linux...

[raw jasper]

LOL, what did you do to the poor package manager for it to need this?

[honest moth]

Nothing, just a countermeasure in case things go haywire.

Nothing is broken yet.

[raw jasper]

Should this be read while thinking of the "everything is fine" GIF?

[honest moth]

Nope, not yet anyways. Context: I have had so many bad experiences with OS's breaking down over time, and Windows 10 is no exception, same goes for Ubuntu. Need to keep them maintained and make sure nothing breaks, ever again. @raw jasper

[fading hare]

the most alarming thing about this is that you're using semicolons to execute, whether or not the previous command failed... hey, at least you're not running with -y to forgo any prompts. Also, autoremove can have unforeseen consequences with certain "orphan" libraries installed by some packages, so be careful with that one.

[honest moth]

Oh blimey, should I remove that then? [autoremove]

[fading hare]

you can keep it, as long as you don't execute with -y

so you'll get a prompt and a list of packages that are going to be automatically removed

[fading hare]

Android is absolutely awesome. And, when you say "there are a lot of problems" what are you comparing it against?

(and yes, that question is a trap)

[honest moth]

phew, ok. thanks

welp, at least that clears it up. I immediately began panicking as I probably broke somebody's machine with that.

THAT'S NOT MY INTENTION!! I'M SORRY!!

[raw jasper]

They are probably going to be fine, as long as their system is sane

[fading hare]

you won't break the machine, but you can definitely make certain third-party apt repo apps break...

[honest moth]

true

[fading hare]

not sure if that's a thing these days in Debian, but it has definitely bit me before when I had installed something from a third-party apt repo, it had installed dependencies from the main repo, but for some reason apt wouldn't grok that the third-party app was depending on those libs and saw them as orphans.

[honest moth]

Ah, yeah I think it warns you about that now, or ignores the third-party apps entirely due to them having their own ways of updating.

Though I cannot confirm this. Just my guess.

[fading hare]

For instance, I have a Google Pixel 4a, and it's been rock solid, even when running Android 12 as a beta for several months. Are there perceivably more problems than let's say, iOS? Sure. That's the crux, though, iOS supports what... 20 devices maybe? Android? Thousands. So, all in all, I think it's been doing better than my previous iPhones. 😉

[honest moth]

chuckles in Galaxy S7

[fading hare]

I have a Galaxy Prime laying around somewhere.

[honest moth]

nice

[fading hare]

I remember Android BBQ in Austin back in... 2009 or 2010? Samsung was on stage giving away their latest (whatever that was back then) for free if you came up on stage and smashed your iPhone. Guess what, they gave away a lot of phones that day. 😄

[honest moth]

LOL

That is AWESOME!!

[fading hare]

We were hanging out with the guys from SwiftKey (keyboard app, company from UK) and we lamented how sad it was that there was no beer at the event. SwiftKey guys goes on a beer run. Comes back with two kegs.

[dusty citrus]

autoremove isn't used often

unttended-upgrades installed by default. You can remove it and do them manually, or somewhat automated.

[honest moth]

Update: There might have been something broken that I accidentally fixed while testing that command.

Machine runs like butter now

[very smooth]

[silver shale]

Small things like reliance on Google Play and other Google services, the "No internet found, not automatically connecting", many devices not allowing the user to have root access over their own device.

[fading hare]

That's definitely iOS, though.

[silver shale]

not saying iOS is any better

[fading hare]

You are not forced to buy an operator locked phone.

[silver shale]

I prefer Android personally

[fading hare]

For instance, the Google Pixel 4a that I have, is not operator locked. And it was only $399. And it's amazing.

I can root it, do whatever I want with it.

You buy a phone through an operator like Verizon or Sprint or AT&T, yeah, they're going to put a bunch of bloatware and spyware on your phone, for sure. That's the price you pay for getting a Samsung Galaxy Sxx for like $400 instead of $1,100.

[umbral phoenix]

no, i haven’t bought a locked iPhone in years

[fading hare]

I think your main issue is more with operators than it is Android as an OS.

[silver shale]

I plan on building an Android phone after the tablet. Android is still good and the Google things can be removed, being open source, custom images can be built.

[fading hare]

Exactly!

[silver shale]

After a year and a half, finally ordered Graperain's RK3399 dev kit

Want to see if I can port Android 11 to it.

[fiery hearth]

Seeed Studio's S7 Edge Accelerator Board has an ESP32 as an on-board bitstream loader for the Xilinx Spartan 7 FPGA where a HDMI is attached.
Did some draft tracing of pins on the schematic to find it and also previously created a custom bitstream in Vivado but
yet to link the 2 things together and it's going to take some time to properly figure out due to the way it's been architected.
CP could probably run on the ESP32, not sure about the ARM cores on the FPGA just yet. (colours might be inverted with a format etc so not final)

[wary herald]

I ♥️ the Spartan 7 hehe

[raw jasper]

haha, as long a you can find some in stock 😄

You said you were using FPGAs for computer vision stuff, right?

[honest moth]

At last...it begins!

Project Black-fire will be rebuilt once more.

Engage the madness.

Will I miss Windows 10? Maybe a little bit, but hey, that's what emulators are for.

[raw jasper]

Where do you even come up with those names?

[honest moth]

no flipping clue

it just happens

and if I like it, I roll with it

[raw jasper]

Mental dice? :>

[honest moth]

Something like that

[raw jasper]

Neat, I don't really name the stuff I'm working on

[honest moth]

huh, so i'm the weird one then

COOL

[raw jasper]

Other than the typical descriptive designations, such as "setting up my NAS", "building a new PC", "repairing an older machine"

[honest moth]

I get it

ATA Secure Erase tool configured and locked. BEGINNING THE WIPE!!

It is done.

Now for the fun part.

See you soon...

[silver shale]

I do it too much

[honest moth]

I see that as a good thing, though I heavily relate.

[silver shale]

Longest manual I have seen

[crystal ore]

Oh my sweet summer child... 😉

[raw jasper]

Haha, the intel manuals? 😉

[raw jasper]

59WPM on the 60% keyboard

You need to try the 100% keyboard 😄

I actually just did a typing test. I was surprised to find out my typing speed has improved to 85WPM from the 80WPM I had when I last measured it

However, I missed two words, so definitely not 100% accurate

[fading hare]

I wish I could do 80 wpm. Best I can do is around 60.

[raw jasper]

Well, there are various touch typing programs available. Perhaps one of them can help?

Some people use voice dictation and can achieve 200WPM

[fading hare]

I doubt I could write code at 200WPM with voice dictation. 😄

"No! Not semi-colon, I meant semi-colon. The symbol, you dingus!"

[raw jasper]

I am not sure I can think of code at 200WPM

[fading hare]

I think you could if you had researched and written down what you wanted to do.

Then all you gotta do is write it all out.

[raw jasper]

Yeah, I agree

I probably should look further into voice coding workflows, in case I get consumed by RSI one day

Gotta have a contingency plan so that I can keep working

[fading hare]

as in repetitive strain injury?

[raw jasper]

Correct

[fading hare]

I noticed my body degrading a bit over the last few years. My desk was too high, and my chair was too low, and too soft. I have since changed to a much better desk that can change from sitting to standing, and I have a way better chair. Working has actually been quite pleasant in the past 5 months or so.

And I can definitely feel the strain on my wrists at times. I switch from a Grifiti wrist pad to nothing, and it's been nice so far. I do need to have a desk mat, otherwise my tendons get annoyed.

Speaking of, it's probably high time that I get a new pad. They tend to wear out after a few years of use.

Also, Grifiti makes the best "rubber" bands. Silicone bands. They're the best.

https://grifiti.com/collections/fat-wrist-pads/products/grifiti-fat-wrist-pad-12?variant=33061696143469

[raw jasper]

What's the bands' purpose?

Just generic wrapping, or are they some kind of accessibility devices?

[fading hare]

I use them for all kinds of things. Like keeping little containers shut, or books closed.

[raw jasper]

Oh, so just good generic rubber bands

[fading hare]

very good ones

since they're silicone they're also heat resistant, and quite durable

[raw jasper]

Neat!

I'd also like to look into chorded input one day, but the fact that I can't write my native language using such a system kind of defeats the purpose

[fading hare]

I previously bought one of their wrist pads off of Amazon and I loved it, so when I had worn it down to basically nothing, I tried to find another one and found their site. I reached out to their support, and for some reason the pad I had (plain rubber) was something they had issues with in production. I can't do the fabric surface. The texture makes my whole body itch and cringe.

[raw jasper]

I mean, I type in English 90% of the time, but learning an input method that can't input your native language is.... Kind of useless

[fading hare]

Also, it'll take you about two weeks to wear the plain rubber pads in, and until then, your wrists will basically smell like rubber. 😄

[fading hare]

What's your native language, if you don't mind me asking?

[raw jasper]

I'd rather not answer that 🙂

[fading hare]

Sounds spicy. 😄

[raw jasper]

Oh, I found the thing somebody once linked me to

https://talonvoice.com/

[fading hare]

Nice!

I wanna be able to play Giana Sisters by clicking in Zulu.

Give me five years. Gotta learn Zulu first.

[raw jasper]

IDK what zulu is

Do you mean the language?

Or is it some software?

[fading hare]

the language

it involves some tongue clicking aspects

since Talon supports "noises"

[raw jasper]

I see!

[ocean sigil]

Just a “dusting” here in New Hampshire. Marks are in inches.

After temperatures in the 60s last week this was a rude awakening that it is still Winter!

[wanton thistle]

seems like a good time to drive to Harts Turkey farm. They wont be busy ;P

[crystal ore]

I was thinking smartphone SoCs...

[silver shale]

one of the few ARM Cortex-Ax SoCs available in a TQFP package

[tardy badger]

Making a smart phone? Lol

I suggest like.. an A53 or A72

From my understanding, they are better power wise

[blissful roost]

Google Tensor SBC would be nice.. lol

[real falcon]

one regions light dusting is other region heavy snow lol

[silver shale]

going with either an i.MX8 or RK3399 SoM for that project

Either use the same Graperain RK3399 board or look into Ka-Ro's QSXP

[dusty citrus]

@ocean sigil We had clean sidewalks and lawns except in deep shade where snow was still piled high -- until the other day (NW Connecticut).

[ocean sigil]

same here

[raw jasper]

Fair enough

[dusty citrus]

When someone does provide you sdk, there should be some sort of written docs right?
I can't understand a damm thing in the code

[wooden schooner]

see this is what's so striking to me about engineering culture vs. software culture. @silver shale @crystal ore, you say "lol the manual is 3000+ pages" but I am just blown away that there is a culture of actually writing thorough documentation. Software engineering is mostly not engineering.

[silver shale]

It is a good thing that there is that much documentation

[wooden schooner]

@dusty citrus I think the answer to your question is "yes they should, but annoyingly often they don't"

(caveat, I have not used a lot of SDKs, I'm going on what I've seen of software in general)

[dusty citrus]

The problem is that they also used a language that's atypical for hw, JavaScript, and I don't know it that well

But for the few section that I seem to understand, it looks like it's totally something else. Dunno if they provided again the wrong thing, or if they did send just a random thing purposely

[wooden schooner]

so there's no docs directory or manual or docs site, and their source files have no jsdoc comments?

[dusty citrus]

No docs, just some code with comments that are not that usefull, and a read me about the licensing details

[wooden schooner]

Unfortunately that is common i.m.e. Not sure I can say anything particularly illuminating

[dusty citrus]

They also said that the sdk were in chinese, but in the code only few lines were in chinese 🤨

[wooden schooner]

"in chinese" meaning the comments are in chinese?

[dusty citrus]

They said that the sdk were in chinese
So I supposed that it was the docs in chinese or something else
Then they sended it to me, and only few (useless) comments were in chinese bah

[wooden schooner]

A friend of mine once worked for a company that was paying a vendor a few thousand a year for a JS library. Turns out, the library was jQuery with functions renamed. She managed to get the company to move to actual jQuery and pay nothing. That's to the company's credit -- at a big company I'd consider it very possible that the decision makers about 3rd party software would be far enough removed from any incentive for the company to spend less, that they would just continue to pay for a whitelabeled jQuery. Or that the company's financial policy would have a "3p software" budget that disappears (or even decreases for future years) if it's not used, etc.

[hasty wedge]

@raw jasper

Here's a follow up on the Inochi2D

https://mobile.twitter.com/LovelyA72/status/1497616197705248768

we're working on the translation

[hasty quarry]

Why is it always the tiny algebra things that get me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890787653031714866/947202180807528498/IMG_4979.jpg

I did this, and fixed it later, but

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739563660384665711/947200167847821352/unknown.png

How did I make this mistake

The only mistake I made, too. It's always something like this that gets me

Frustrating

[wooden schooner]

As far as I'm concerned, "not making that kind of mistake under time pressure" is a different subject than "calculus." And one in which grades don't matter much, at that.

If your grade in preventing careless errors is really low, that can become a drain on your productivity. But if you're only making a few per test, you're nowhere near that

[hasty quarry]

Partial fractions? ✅ trig sub? ✅ u sub? ✅ integration? ✅

Factoring out a number from 2 terms?

😱

[wanton thistle]

Hey! Hello from the middle of CT

So I dont know if I can do this here but I have hardware I dont use anymore. I have MSP-EXP430FR5959 Dev board I bought and I dont use it. Its free to a good home if anyone is comfortable giving me their address. I dont use this platform

[dusty citrus]

@wanton thistle back atcha. I'm in NW corner.

[honest moth]

Kali Linux installation was a total success! MASSIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO EVERYTHING!!! YEEEEEEEEE-

[Project Black-fire LIVES AGAIN!!]

[dusty citrus]

I upgraded the Kernel but never did reboot this thing. ;) One morning after coffee I'll probably end up figuring out what happens after boot that is different (if anything) from what I have right now.

[hasty wedge]

blasting musics with my speech module

It's pretty loud

With that tiny speaker from adafruit

[fiery hearth]

mistakes look great when plugged into a graphics synthesiser that works
still wondering how to send Λ with macropad rp2040 as a key press

[honest moth]

Project Paradigm has been officially decommissioned. Successor: Project Black-fire. Drive is now being used for experimentation.

[fiery hearth]

why does it require a registry tweak, that's daft

[honest moth]

Welcome to Windows.

Sarcasm aside, I know how you feel.

||that was almost a cataclysmic typo. I'M SORRY ADMINS||

[umbral phoenix]

I have been using the lower 2 bytes of MAC address as a reasonably-unique ideintifier in client and server code for my wifi devices. After 7 years, finally hit a collision and had to bump it to 3 bytes. So now that's everything but the OUI.

[wooden schooner]

why are paper towel roll dispensers (i.e. rods you stick through the cardboard roll center) commonplace, but aluminum foil comes in a box such that the roll falls out when you pull it?

after 2 years I finally finished my huge Costco 1000ft roll of foil, and replaced it with a smaller one but overlooked the niceness of how the Costco roll was packaged. There were plastic pieces that held the roll in place from its center. They weren't fixed to the box but I taped them to stay. Then that box on top of the fridge was a hanging dispenser, much like what people commonly use for paper towels.

for now I'm assuming the answer is "if you want to DIY yourself a foil dispenser, go for it." But if anyone has deeper reasons this doesn't seem that common, I'd be interested to hear.

[vernal yoke]

Because it uses a kind of Alt code shortcut that Windows disables by default

[late fulcrum]

Some brands, the box is designed so you can push the ends in to provide a pivot for the roll.

[wooden schooner]

I think this smaller Reynolds box tries to do that but is very ineffective. The roll gets stuck on the pushed-in cardboard flaps instead of leaving the box, but it doesn't turn.

It seems like I could pretty much take two blocks of anything, drill holes at equal height, and stick a rod through to make my own dispenser. Tape it to the top of the fridge, separate the teeth from the foil box and tape those to the lip.

[burnt tendon]

Yeah, this sort of thing... well, it foils my plans on a near-daily basis.

[fiery hearth]

It’s not entirely disabled by default, some alt codes work but when entering the alt code for pi it prints theta instead, it does that for some but not all characters. Alt+ works very well and is a bit like AT+

[late fulcrum]

An old hacksaw blade also makes a good tear strip

[silver shale]

School county upgraded all laptops to jump on Windows 11. I understand tech cycles in business but upgrading because of M$ is sad.

If they are not just scrapped, maybe they would get donated or bought?

[wooden schooner]

Do public schools scrap laptops? That's crazy!

[dusty citrus]

In all public schools around here works like this:
They get pcs from the waste yard, licenses are either sponsored or stolen, then the rest of the tax payer's money is pocketed by someone

Then they can exploit the fact of lack of resources to get more money, which will do the same end, so upgrades are worse than before, while old stuff is thrown

[silver shale]

75% sure that it may end up donated/sold

[late fulcrum]

Many school districts have a surplus agency to dispose of equipment that's no longer used. It can be useful to talk to these folks, they're often very reasonable.

[honest moth]

I played my piano for the first time in a while today. The song I practiced from heart was my rendition of the Black Mesa Theme.

...I don't think I've ever cried so hard from playing the piano before.

Is this natural, to play a song that resonates with your soul to the point where sorrow is brought to the surface, from places you never knew you hid from yourself?

Places you never knew you ignored?

[late fulcrum]

My musical skills are somewhat limited, but from my experience, I'd say yes.

[honest moth]

I'm grateful that I'm not alone, then.

[stray wind]

You are, most certainly, not alone in this. It's not always music, but is some form of stimuli, e.g. scent or the feeling of touching something. These things get associated with memories that you may have long thought you had forgotten, or pushed down, or whatever it is that happened with them. The stimulus brings them rushing back to the surface, and the associated feelings along with them.

[honest moth]

That makes much more sense...

[honest moth]

I don't know what else to say other than, thank you.

[stray wind]

You're entirely welcome.

[silver shale]

from the game?

[honest moth]

Yep

[silver shale]

The HL/HL2/Portal story can be pretty nightmarish sometimes...

Playing Portal after HL2 with hearing the small hints to the Combine invasion throughout the empty Aperture.

[static flare]

Ended up picking up the retiring electrical engineer's stuff, and there's a lot!

[lusty fossil]

envy!

[blissful roost]

https://tenor.com/view/harvest-corn-machine-field-wheat-gif-5100055

[static flare]

I'll go over a full inventory when I get home, but some stand out items are: a bench power supply, a boatload of EPROMs, a boatload of bulbs, and a boatload of other DIP chips

[lusty fossil]

Oooh, bench supply is a nice find

I need one of those

[static flare]

(and yes, these are EPROMs, not EEPROMs, I also got a UV light for erasing them)

[static flare]

just realised, i got some filament 7 segment displays

[lapis bluff]

Oh, cool retro...

[hasty wedge]

MEGAHits speech module first assemble and test

The entire module is sub 60 cents

It can be configured via software

All of these chips are designed and manufactured in Asia, to keep the cost down

To test more ROMs without assembling more modules, you know what I am getting

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4726

It's called megahits is because the original prototype was powered by Arduino and atmega328p, and it sounds kinda like those Hit Clips toys

This version I moved to a 8051

[static flare]

I have a whole bunch of chips in old chip tubing, and I'm wondering if it's possible to get new tubes or such?

[static flare]

Just had a proper look at it, and I'm considering gutting it out and redoing it

Cause it's a DIY job, with schematics

[raw jasper]

Good job! Also fun name origin story

[raw jasper]

Heh, buying a retiree’s electronics stash and then attempting to fix the custom PSU with schematics would fit right into a horror movie plot — Be careful, the bench PSU might be haunted by the ghost of the magic smokes! 😄

[raw jasper]

Looks like an old kit

The style reminds me of the schematics of an old radio I once fixed

[static flare]

He said all of this stuff was collected over like, 30+ years

He needed the space but didn't have the heart to throw it away

So I bought it all

But I definitely could modernise it, and maybe even spin up a PCB

But I love the old meters and other components

[raw jasper]

“That belongs in a museum!”

[static flare]

A lot of stuff he sold me is from an era I adore

(in electronics, at least)

[raw jasper]

(I’d recommend not modernizing them, they’ll lose all the charm)

[static flare]

This power supply never worked, and I want to get it working

[raw jasper]

Oh, I meant try to keep the old meters etc

[static flare]

Oh definitely!!!

I love the old meters!

[raw jasper]

Same here tbh

[static flare]

Just the internals would be redone

[raw jasper]

Yeah, sounds like a fun project

What do you wanna do with electronics?

[static flare]

Well, I like helping people out, and I like making things, and I like electronics, so I hope to make things that at least people might want to buy

[raw jasper]

Sounds like a good enough goal to me ^^

Just.. mind yourself around the leaded stuff and buy a fume extractor

[static flare]

Yeah, definitely

I have a whole bunch of lightbulbs that look like fuses, not sure what to do with them

[raw jasper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’d say, post a photo here for a start?

I’m definitely curious

[static flare]

I have so many of them

[raw jasper]

I think these are indicator neon lights..?

For electric test screwdrivers and such

[static flare]

They're 12V 3A

[raw jasper]

You could definitely use them for props, since you seem to be into that

[static flare]

Yeah, l definitely could do something of the sort

[static flare]

Gonna get the PSU up and running before I do anything with them though, so I can have constant current and voltage

[raw jasper]

Good idea. Keep us updated! 🙂

[static flare]

I absolutely will

[raw jasper]

These conversations (almost) make me want to pick up electronics again

I'm a software person, so it was a hobby for me

Guess I could get a low-cost microcontroller devkit that hasn't been impacted by the chip shortage and try to see what kind of functionality I could squeeze into it

[static flare]

Honestly, software is more what I'm good at, I typically am a lot better at schematics with electronics than physical stuff

[raw jasper]

Schematics are certainly easier than PCBs :>

I've made quite a few schematics, but zero physical PCBs

[hard estuary]

If anyone is interested, episode 1 of my new podcast, The CircuitPython Show, is out. The first guest is Adafruit's own Kattni: https://circuitpythonshow.com/episodes/1

[static flare]

I've spun up some PCBs before, I'm just not great at PCB layouts and routing

Definitely want to do more, just need to get better at it

[raw jasper]

I’ve never tried it

Perhaps one day I should

[static flare]

I really should look at finishing up my RP2040 SID board

[raw jasper]

Heh, SID music is nice

[static flare]

I want to play around with the chip, since I have one

[raw jasper]

I haven’t read the low level docs of the SID

I do know 6502 asm though

[static flare]

I don't know if I have a 6502, I might have some in the 100+ chips I recently got

lots of EPROMs

At least a bit of DRAM

[raw jasper]

Get a MiniPro 😄

(If it’s compatible)

[static flare]

I should get something like that

[raw jasper]

Who knows what they’ll contain

If they haven’t bitrotted yet 😛

[static flare]

A lot of them are uncovered, so they probably will be, but I'm hesitant to just wipe them all immediately

I'm an archivist at heart

[raw jasper]

I remember that webpage where somebody tried using an EPROM as an imaging sensor

[static flare]

huh

[raw jasper]

At UV…?

The memory is hazy

It was definitely a Web 1.0 HTML page

Or maybe they were just experimenting to see how sunlight affected an uncovered EPROM

[static flare]

I got a neat little quartz lamp with a massive driver and it just looks really interesting

[hasty wedge]

[static flare]

(for the EPROMs)

[raw jasper]

Oh. I was about to say it might be a cancer lamp

Seems like you are aware though 🙂

[hasty wedge]

Basically a cancer lamp

[static flare]

I won't point it at me though

I could recreate it as a hand held lamp with the fuse lamp things I have

[raw jasper]

I was now reminded of the incident where they used UVC lamps for lighting at a fashion show

😬

[static flare]

oh dear

also got an old breaker box

[dusty citrus]

I bought a bunch of uvc lamps to disinfect stuff, barely ever used them, because I'm too scared of using them

I'm going to gift them to my 6 yo cousin, because they are cool to watch
Just kidding

[hasty wedge]

[raw jasper]

I use alcohol solution for my pandemic disinfection needs

It’s suitable both for hands and for surfaces, is unlikely to give you cancer, and consistently kills a bunch of nasty stuff without being overly damaging to plastics and such, unlike UV* rad

[static flare]

huh, it's called pen ray, thats fun

[raw jasper]

Probably a brand name

I’ll stick with “The Cancer Lamp”

[static flare]

Def a brand name

[raw jasper]

Oh no

They have handheld ones