It's just Krita
#general-chat
wooden schooner
I understand that
IIRC you have one of the fancy wacoms with a built-in display, right?
wooden schooner
oh, it's a laptop with the wacom as its primary and only display?
hasty wedge
Yes
wooden schooner
cool
I think I bifurcated hard from that "touchscreen mania" industry push, what was it now 10+ years ago
hasty wedge
wooden schooner
pretty much shunned all HP consumer electronics from that point on, etc., at least until recently when they started being semi-useful again
subtle fable
It's just Krita
Krita my beloved
I need to get a new drawing tablet
I've been using an Ipad with an apple pencil since my other drawing tablet sucks
hasty wedge
UGEE U1200/1600 can be pretty nice
It's perfect when you don't wanna get a Wacom Cintiq
subtle fable
Does it have a textured screen?
hasty wedge
You can always add your own film to the display
hasty wedge
same
subtle fable
I can go from really good lineart to messy all over the place lineart pretty easily without it
wary herald
It's good
fading hare
Nah, it was from Infocom. 1986. The peeps that produced LSL were Sierra (Ken & Roberta Williams) which were acquired in '96, then swept up in a bunch of mergers and ended up in the Activision portfolio, and they rereleased some of the games in 2014 and onwards.
That's a wibbly-wobbly boxy car. First of its kind, an experimental vehicle that is half gelatinous cube, half car. I'm surprised y'all haven't heard of them! They tend to roam side streets and alleys in search of adventurers like you.
subtle fable
Free flight sim controller and floppy disks
I don’t know what i will do with them
But i got them for free
burnt tendon
I guess the yoke's on you then
hasty wedge
real falcon
Free flight sim controller and floppy disks
probably great for modding to work on modern computers
honest moth
CONFIRMED, the motherboard still has some life left in it, despite it being this close to death.
I have decided: I'm doing my first PC to Server conversion with it and all my extra HDD's.
this should be interesting. If there's a bad capacitor, then I have a hunch that if I can wire up the machine in such a way that I can harvest the excess buildup responsible for the surge protection kicking in, then I could, in theory, keep this thing going for another few years.
Question is, how would I do it and where would I funnel all that power to?
i might be overthinking this.
my head is overheating and bustling with thoughts and ideas
help
real falcon
if its from certain era, then caps is likely to be bad
blissful roost
Yarp
real falcon
not too sure, think its 90s to 10s so quite a bunch of years.
honest moth
just realized there's probably a music channel in this discord somehwere...or am I wrong?
honest moth
not too sure, think its 90s to 10s so quite a bunch of years.
ah, the capacitor plague
real falcon
ah 1999 and 2007
real falcon
yeah though caps do wear out
honest moth
yeah though caps do wear out
I know.
real falcon
expecially id cheapened too much 😄
honest moth
but one blown capacitor ruining the bunch will not stop me.
...except for my old HP tower, that thing is about to blow and I have no intention on rebuilding it.
real falcon
it being 2013 probably means you could find caompitable caps and just swap em 🙂
honest moth
it being 2013 probably means you could find caompitable caps and just swap em 🙂
Yep!
...but finding the busted one is tricky
sometimes they die without blowing their tops or bottoms.
honest moth
but desoldering all of them?
with a traditional soldering iron?
is that even possible with industrial-grade solder and components?
my iron only goes to a certain temperature, and there is no flippin' way I'm taking a heat gun to the board.
I think i'll wait for the first to pop and give off the smell I need to find it, THEN I'll replace it, with a lot of patience.
...wait a minute
Is the thing receiving too much power and not enough places to put it?
...
i probably should've checked that first. OK, I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING FOR THE TIME BEING. peace
real falcon
🙂 later good luck
honest moth
🙂 later good luck
thanks, I'm going to need it 😅
slim shard
if something is on the edge, IR thermometer?
vernal yoke
Not going to ask™️
wooden schooner
what if my needs haven't changed but I just don't want to pay the price increase? do you have a different suggested workflow for that?
lusty fossil
Got the good stuff. It reeks
raw jasper
Got the good stuff. It reeks
You know it’s good coz it’s got a Prop 65 warning on it 🙃🤣
lusty fossil
Literally everything does
raw jasper
…You are not wrong
But how many meds (aside from chemo agents and hormones) carry prop 65s?
slim shard
"This product contains existent matter, some forms of existent matter are known to cause or to be cancer."
unkempt nimbus
they should just put this at every entry into the state:
The State of California is known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects, or other reproductive harm.
problem solved ✅
raw jasper
Well TBH coal byproducts are aromatic enough to be considered a genuine (at least potential) carcinogen
raw jasper
Is this an original character?
hasty wedge
Also received my Feather RP2040s ordered last week
Can't wait for next John Park show
hasty wedge
Is this an original character?
No
raw jasper
Who is John Parker?
hasty wedge
raw jasper
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lusty fossil
Well TBH coal byproducts are aromatic enough to be considered a genuine (at leas...
Dermatologists are comfortable recommending it, that's good enough for me
Oh man does it stink
raw jasper
Yup! What I was trying to say is that in this case the Prop 65 warning is fair game
raw jasper
I’d say more infamous than famous, but I feel this title of shame is reserved for asbestos
slim shard
how many people are wary of baby powder?
lusty fossil
how many people are wary of baby powder?
Not as many as should be
raw jasper
Talcum is pretty bad in that regard
slim shard
eh, they could work it off in a talc mine
lusty fossil
I think it's a cultural thing
raw jasper
I'm just glad the eczema is on my hands so I can wear gloves
Yeah, that’s probably the only good part about the whole ordeal
lusty fossil
Yeah eczema is just plain unpleasant
raw jasper
Hard agree
raw jasper
BTW this reminds me: I periodically need to buy nitrile gloves (without powder) as PPE (not for COVID)
Lately, I’ve gotten quite a few batches where many gloves were unusable due to either visible contamination (dark brown cigarette mark like spots on the gloves) or the presence of a soft fine shavings-like substance on the surface of the gloves
Has anyone else noticed this? I’ve tried switching manufacturers, but am still having issues
fading hare
BTW this reminds me: I periodically need to buy nitrile gloves (without powder) ...
Oh snap. Thicker black nitrile gloves are back in stock on Amazon. I use them for cleaning my firearms.
I was basically out of gloves for two years.
And I am highly allergic to some of the solvents.
I guess that means I am getting some gloves, and a whole kit of ferrules in different sizes + a crimper...
same day delivery too
raw jasper
I was basically out of gloves for two years.
The global PPE shortage is a thing
raw jasper
<:notlikeshouryo:871749874410983515>
WAHAHAHAHA I just realized you had written "John Park". I hadn't had my morning coffee yet, and it showed! 🙃
thick wind
WAHAHAHAHA I just realized you had written "John Park". I hadn't had my morning ...
(edited)
Typos happen, I know I have more edited messages than I have unedited...
thick wind
You can certainly attribute that to a lack of coffee. brb coffee
hasty wedge
blissful roost
All the time is coffee time.
subtle fable
Case for a radio i made with a pi
You wrap the antenna wire around that spool on the side
raw jasper
Good morning from Europe, then
raw jasper
☕
subtle fable
What a wholesome convo
raw jasper
I can't draw to save my life 🙃
hasty wedge
I took a pic of myself doing this pose and basically used that as a reference
raw jasper
Best I can do is stick figures, so I definitely don't see how this can be improved :>
hasty wedge
Why not
If your stick figure's action is correct
You can basically build upon that
raw jasper
Well, it would be like showing my grandmother (who has never touched a computer) some code and asking her how I could improve it 😄
hasty wedge
subtle fable
All you can really do to improve is practice by drawing things over and over, until they finally look right
subtle fable
It was my first watercolor painting
hasty wedge
I can not do water paint
raw jasper
it looks good, but it reminds me of the feeling of being in pain; Was that the intent?
subtle fable
it looks good, but it reminds me of the feeling of being in pain; Was that the i...
If you want the story, basically the band asked their friend to listen to the first song in the album and paint whatever he felt best fit the albums music
And that was the result
Honestly he did an amazing job
subtle fable
The outside feels like the first song, and the inside looks like how the rest of the songs feel
hasty wedge
And all of my works are flat
subtle fable
If you want to know the inspiration for the outside cover, listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OvW8Z7kiws
subtle fable
And all of my works are flat
I do some 3D
hasty wedge
I only use one layer of shadow
subtle fable
I've been trying to get 2 point perspective down for cars
subtle fable
I only use one layer of shadow
i dont use any lol
Also, i'm used to oil painting and not watercolor, so that painting didn't exactly turn out how i wanted
Seeing as how i had never used watercolor
See?
Thats the wrong pic
raw jasper
Only thing I know how to draw is anime girl
I mean, if you know how to draw anime girl, all you need to do is diversify! 😄
(says I, who obviously has no idea)
subtle fable
I mean, if you can draw, you can draw anything, provided you practice
Same goes for if you can't
if you have enough practice you can draw anything
raw jasper
Honestly? I’m all for this can-do attitude
subtle fable
Honestly? I’m all for this can-do attitude
It's true
raw jasper
I can vouch that it’s true for the fields I’m familiar with
subtle fable
I couldn't draw at all in middle school, but the more I practiced the better i got
raw jasper
Why is the picture marked like a spreadsheet?
subtle fable
It was for an art class and they made me mark it like that to make it easier for students to draw from the reference image i think
raw jasper
Heh, reminds me of picross
subtle fable
I didn't need to but it was a requirement
raw jasper
Or an Excel spreadsheet
Love the fact the glasses look fogged to oblivion 😂
Is accurate enough with those surgical rectangles 😄
(Also saves you from having to draw the eyes)
tardy badger
Pro pet owner tip, if your dog gets into things while you out and you have an affinity for nacho cheese,.. make sure you put up the nacho cheese because nacho cheese causes pancreatitis in dogs
My dog is on the way to the emergency vet because he was sick last night and we found out it’s because of the nacho cheese he managed to find while my family and I were out of the house on Sunday 🙃
So positive vibes or whatever good energy you got for my pupper
raw jasper
Wish all the best to you and your dog 💚
fading hare
My dog is on the way to the emergency vet because he was sick last night and we ...
I know that feeling. Tell that woofer to get better! Tell him The Swede said so. ❤️
tardy badger
I know that feeling. Tell that woofer to get better! Tell him The Swede said so....
Thanks 🙏
In other news, I have a technical interview within the next week
fading hare
In other news, I have a technical interview within the next week
Nice! Best of luck to you!
tardy badger
Job hoping after a year at my current company because apparently 7% inflation doesn’t mean anything
fading hare
Ha. Has it ever? To any company?
If you try to match your salary to inflation you'll just stress out and jump from job to job. At least in my experience.
But, I hope your prospective employer takes better care of their people.
tardy badger
If you try to match your salary to inflation you'll just stress out and jump fro...
Employers two or three decades ago used to make raises just over inflation
It ended probably a decade and a half after the SEC changed rules on stock buybacks
wary herald
I know that feeling. Tell that woofer to get better! Tell him The Swede said so....
You went from Torgny to My Windows are Jello to Mr. T
😉
wary herald
So positive vibes or whatever good energy you got for my pupper
I'll be praying
lusty fossil
I'm glad I'm allergic to cheese!
blissful roost
Heresy!
lusty fossil
If it keeps my little bean safe, it's worth it.
wary herald
What happened there??
fading hare
You went from Torgny to My Windows are Jello to Mr. T
That got struck by the mighty bot.
wary herald
Hehe
lusty fossil
I really hate username/pw creation tools that don't tell you why your username isn't acceptable.
like is it taken? Is this unusual phrase I'm using and altering with numbers and hyphens really not unique?
wooden schooner
I really hate username/pw creation tools that don't tell you *why* your username...
Otoh, I was once signing up for a government thing and was told that my phone number was invalid because it was not an integer of length 10. So I told them my phone number was -123456789 and it went through
lusty fossil
lol
this is particularly bad because the raspberry pi people are supposed to, you know, know software?
I just want to report a bug, that's literally it
I'll see if I can get their attention on social media
late fulcrum
Fix it and submit a pull request?
wary herald
Well, it's unfortunate about the NVIDIA-ARM acquisition
I was kinda hoping for it to go through
Just for the cool tech
lusty fossil
Competition, IMO, is as if not more likely to create cool tech
fading hare
Well, it's unfortunate about the NVIDIA-ARM acquisition
what happened with it?
subtle fable
love mothsonas!
I only know of like 3 other mothsonas, one was made by my friend after he saw my character
weary fiber
oh yeah there's quite a bit of em!
My friend has like 3 and there's a bunch on r/furry but they're not posted often
subtle fable
I never see them
fading hare
I'm going to have to ask that people stop shooting at each other around my neighborhood. I am trying to design PCBs, not play the "gunshot or fireworks" game.
lusty fossil
Keeps property values, and rents, down tho
subtle fable
I'm going to have to ask that people stop shooting at each other around my neigh...
I can’t tell if you mean with roman candles or actual guns
fading hare
No, they're shooting real guns, with real bullets. Sounded like 9mm from the echo.
subtle fable
fading hare
Uh. And confirmed on Citizen (an app). ShotSpotter detected 5 shots less than a kilometer from my house.
I won that round of "guns or fireworks"
vernal yoke
Otoh, I was once signing up for a government thing and was told that my phone nu...
Wait, so was your phone number <10 digits for who knows why, or were you testing it?
wooden schooner
@vernal yoke I supplied a string of 10 characters that can be parsed to an integer by the javascript function parseInt. It was not my actual phone number (at the time).
wooden schooner
Note the initial minus sign
lusty fossil
this is the danger of javascript, my young padawans.
wooden schooner
The original input was rejected because it had formatting characters. The error message said my phone number "must be an integer," which I found amusing. The first integer I tried, out of sheer curiosity, happened to be small. The web app developer continued to lay their cards on the table by giving me an error message that was about the (questionable) implementation details of code rather than the task the website was supposed to facilitate
lusty fossil
Hahaha
fading hare
😢 I think my external display I use for Pis has been fried. Or something. It starts, but won't display anything from two separate Pis. Frantic, thinking I had somehow static shocked both Pis I found a cable to hook into my main monitor, and the Pi boots right up.
@lusty fossil my man, I think I figured out how to get the window bar back in Thonny. Click the little return to normal mode link in the top right.
lusty fossil
I'll try that tomorrow. Thanks!
fading hare
Free Xbox Ultimate code if anybody wants it: C6T23-72F9V-K7CCX-PC7R6-YFD9Z first come, first serve.
slim shard
my ultimate xbox is a gamecube
fading hare
My ultimate gaming system is the one nobody gives me crap about.
Because I am an adult with a job, and if I wanted to own whatever your gaming system is, I would.
slim shard
I'd suggest theater of the mind, but then imagine poeple acting weird when I point my finger at them and go "peeew!"
fading hare
"But Xbox!" "But PlayStation!" "But [insert whatever niche system you use to be an 8-bit hipster]!" I'm like, I have them all. No need to fight over which one is best.
raw jasper
LOL at 8bit hipster
slim shard
I have to say, my imagination has really unconvincing graphics, I may be an outlier
fading hare
things you realize as an adult ¯_(ツ)_/¯
try the real world, the graphics are amazing
raw jasper
Incomparable!
slim shard
yeah, problem is when I do that, again, people just think I'm weird for going "peeew peew" at them, and then they don't explode and give me points
fading hare
You must be in a part of the world where they don't allow firearms, then. 😉
slim shard
getting real GTA stars can be an, uhmm, real problem
fading hare
indeed
slim shard
great graphics, plus explosions at least
fading hare
probably worse explosions
slim shard
hurt more maybe (definitely)
fading hare
cars don't just explode when you shoot at them... unless it's like an RPG (rocket launcher, not a role playing game box you threw at them)
slim shard
well, need to study all sorts of preparatory options, but that may start to fall well out of local chat guidelines
fading hare
Anyway. Why don't you want to play Beautiful Katamari in the real world? Why did you go immediately for shooting things?
slim shard
when I get big enough I start to suffocate
and the music doesn't travel well in the higher altitudes either
fading hare
It would be funnier, and cuter.
Play Pokemon and run around and steal people's lizards from their terrariums and put them in little balls.
slim shard
would be fun to see the insurance companies fail though
fading hare
Then have illegal fights with animals. Like John Vick.
slim shard
there is a possum roaming around....
fading hare
Anybody ever think about that aspect of Pokemon? LOL
slim shard
robot chicken did a pokemon reboot style thing like that
objective: break into fort knox, and take over the pokemon gym!
slim shard
but many occupied balls have been ... misplaced
fading hare
LIke an easter egg hunt.
slim shard
do pokemon eventually starve while trapped in their confinement spheres?
fading hare
if it's anything like a pocket dimension or a bag of holding, they have about 10 minutes of air before they die
raw jasper
do pokemon eventually starve while trapped in their confinement spheres?
No, that’s tamagotchi
slim shard
I thought those had, sanitation issues
fading hare
The first tamagotchis didn't have reset buttons
raw jasper
Oh really?
fading hare
Got them for Christmas from someone in the family. Sister loved hers, kept it alive for years. I decided to try to kill mine. Took a few minutes of constant medical shots and corporeal punishment, and it was dead. Irrecoverably so.
Like, you could actually spank them. Like what.
raw jasper
I am not sure I remember anything like that
slim shard
sounds like a new horror genre
fading hare
I am a bit older than you, I think. 😛
raw jasper
It is possible!
fading hare
first gen in Sweden of the tamagotchi was just like a real pet. If it died, it was dead.
I was assuming I could start over or reset it with you know a pencil or whatever, but... nope
it became a very morbid keychain instead
raw jasper
Did you know they use an 6502 core?
slim shard
And then, get this, Deity said, "have you tried resetting him with pencil?"
ooh, I'm a sucker for 6502 implementations
fading hare
some of the other ones had the little bendy plastic tab that you could push on and it actuated a little button and reset the thing
raw jasper
ooh, I'm a sucker for 6502 implementations
raw jasper
some of the other ones had the little bendy plastic tab that you could push on a...
I think there was also a button combination to reset it after it died?
fading hare
hmm, maybe there was and I just ddin't figure that out because I threw the manual away
hahaha
how hard could it be, right?
fading hare
no way to google that in the winter of 1997
wait... this couldn't have been a tamagotchi then
it must have been some kind of precursor, because in '97 I was in my late teens
fading hare
yup
raw jasper
The one that, according to the Good Wiki, required care every 10 minutes or else it died?
fading hare
maybe that's why I killed it? because it was for kids and I was 17?
raw jasper
And your sister kept it alive for years?
fading hare
yeah, that was the one
I am old, and my memory is a bit fuzzy on the year this took place.
raw jasper
Mad props to her patience
fading hare
So I must have killed it because some well-meaning relative thought we'd like them.
Just to see what would happen, assuming I could just reset it. But, I didn't know there was a button combination.
Because, manuals, who needs them!
I obviously did, but shh.
raw jasper
I seem to remember opening mine up to remove the speaker wires because I found the beeping incessant?
fading hare
I remember that
but I never gutted it... I just used it as a keychain... when people would ask me what it was, I'd just say "it's my dead cat"
or dog, or whatever pet I had
raw jasper
I now had a mental image of a future where mental scans of deceased pets would be a thing, and people would store them in tamagotchi like keychains
Sounds very unpleasant, especially for the consciousness in question
fading hare
yeah, because I want to clean up after a dog for eternity... 😄
yeah, it definitely has a Black Mirror feel to it
raw jasper
Well I for one sure wouldn’t want to have my consciousness trapped in a tamagotchi contraption for eternity
I’m sure there was a black mirror episode for that
fading hare
talk about getting some serious inferiority complex... you'd be Krang v2.
slim shard
fading hare
is that Max Headroom's parrot?
slim shard
that was my attempt
fading hare
oh for real?
slim shard
from google images, think thats the one
wary herald
what happened with it?
It ended
They terminated it
In other news, they managed to ruin Mulan
By not including Mushu in the live action movie
or any of the decent songs
IMHO, Mulan's songs are much better than We Don't Talk About Bruno....
dusty citrus
dusty citrus
thats the joke
raw jasper
I forgot I am in off topic for a moment :>
dusty citrus
also, having a switch statement with default: and a boolean
raw jasper
I mean, depending on the language, this could be fine if it’s dynamically typed
dusty citrus
why would you put a switch on a boolean at all though
raw jasper
why would you put a switch on a boolean at all though
¯_(ツ)_/¯
blissful roost
I'm still feeling really salty about the Nvidia/ARM deal getting blocked.
slim shard
I didn't see the threat, nvidia had no reason to make an Oracle out of themselves.
Actually can I say Oracle in here, or is that just plain bad language?
wary herald
I'm still feeling really salty about the Nvidia/ARM deal getting blocked.
Same.....
slim shard
a very greedy company
slim shard
again, I did not see that threat
slim shard
nvidia actually makes things, they don't need to drag themselves into conflict with every sane person
wary herald
nvidia actually makes things, they don't need to drag themselves into conflict w...
Uh-huh
slim shard
I was thinking Oracle of Delphi when you said Oracle
No, I was definitely thinking the Java-killing Sun-eating landmark-renaming Oracle :-)
raw jasper
Landmark-renaming?
slim shard
"Oracle Arena", Oakland reclaimed that a few years ago.
raw jasper
Didn’t know that
late fulcrum
No, I was definitely thinking the Java-killing Sun-eating landmark-renaming Orac...
I miss the Sparc CPU. With them and MIPS out of the game, that leaves a grand total of two viable modern CPU architectures (both hailing from the 20th century).
tardy badger
I miss the Sparc CPU. With them and MIPS out of the game, that leaves a grand t...
Thankfully RISC-V is picking up steam
Probably won’t see mass adoption for another 5-10 years though
shadow siren
Sparc is still being produced, mips joined the risc-v group
dusty citrus
Someone does know where to get answers about marlin fw (3d printer)?
I have an issue where 2 fans ports do work but do missbehave, they are reported to be at 0% but they ain't and won't go at 0
And 1 port does not work (port2)
On trigorilla 2560
Pin declaration do seem alright
I've asked here, on reddit marlinfw, reprap forum, and whatever and still haven't found an answer nor I've found the issue by myself
fading hare
lusty fossil
what would you call this part of a desktop program? The part you can grab on to to move the window and has the minimize/maximize/quit buttons?
that's a hard to see screenshot, hopefully my textual explanation makes sense
stray wind
what would you call this part of a desktop program? The part you can grab on to ...
Titlebar?
lusty fossil
hmm ok, let me focus my google searches there
Thonny on my pi doesn't have one of those
it's weird
gah! Thonny claims to have fixed it in a past pull request
lusty fossil
Hmm yeah that was my next step. Trying to see what version I'm using
But my pi really struggles to open web pages
hey I fixed it!
honest jolt
What did you do???
lusty fossil
right click on the taskbar icon for Thonny > Maximize!
ooh actually this isn't really fixed
time to try an update
which I can't seem to find a way to do
honest jolt
have you tried the standard sudo apt update and upgrade?
stray wind
would it be `sudo apt update thonny`?
I don't remember how apt works. Does it require you to upgrade something before it finds updates? Or is it always checking a remotely updated server...
lusty fossil
ran update again to see
shadow siren
depends on the distro but there is a apt service that checks all the time
lusty fossil
all packages are up to date
lusty fossil
just that command exactly?
shadow siren
yes
raw jasper
apt update && apt upgrade thonny
shadow siren
yes sudo if your not root
raw jasper
Ah , yes, you have to become root first. Linux can sometimes be confusing like that 🙂
lusty fossil
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
shadow siren
Ubuntu would think the only proper way is to sudo the crap out of everything, old schoolers like me just become root and do what needs to be done
you are fully and truly up to date
lusty fossil
shoot
shadow siren
what is that version of thonny
shadow siren
in thonny about menu
lusty fossil
hm
shadow siren
so what exactly are you having a issue with
shadow siren
ohhh what distro
lusty fossil
Raspbian whatever's newest, I think it's bullseye
shadow siren
ok what desktop is being used
lusty fossil
what desktop? How do you mean? Like what board? It's the 3A+
shadow siren
cinnamin, kde, gnome3
lusty fossil
i honestly don't know, I'm not much of a linux expert. I didn't make any changes from the default
shadow siren
try this with thonny open, hit F11
lusty fossil
that makes it full screen, but there isn't a titlebar
shadow siren
one sec loading thonny in my kde neon
lusty fossil
the problem is the titlebar is disappearing behind the taskbar of the OS. It appeared for a moment when I F11'd again
lusty fossil
On the pi?
wary herald
yup
lusty fossil
I like Thonny fine, it does what I need it to do 99.5% of the time. This is just weird.
shadow siren
switch to regular mode in upper right corner of the window
lusty fossil
Did that
wary herald
I switched to Mu about a month ago
lusty fossil
also tried expert mode
shadow siren
this issue was in a bug entry for thonny
lusty fossil
this issue was in a bug entry for thonny
I saw that
lusty fossil
I develop desktop python on the pi, I use my windows laptop for CP development
shadow siren
I ran thonny to test micropython but in the end I am using visual studio code with cp ext
shadow siren
not sure
lusty fossil
it's gonna be easier to just pull it over to my PC
dusty citrus
is there a way to crop a picture on the pi?
install gimp?
thats probably over kill.
lusty fossil
I'm on a pi 3 A+. It really struggles to do anything remotely like modern computing
dusty citrus
yeah... the pi didn't really get good until the pi 4
raw jasper
imagemagick?
You can use the display tool to do elementary image manipulation
Although the UI, quite frankly, leaves a lot to be desired, it will probably do the job
The command display /path/to/image should bring up a window with your image, clicking on which will reveal a manipulation menu
wooden schooner
IIRC, the imagemagick command line utilities are so good for this purpose that many programs that should use native libraries instead launch a shell invocation of imagemagick and wait on it
lusty fossil
Everytime I get to ||that charge|| in A Memory of Light, I get the same ||giddy excited|| feeling. Without fail. That there's some good writing.
wary herald
Everytime I get to ||that charge|| in A Memory of Light, I get the same ||giddy...
14th book. That's a long series...
lusty fossil
There are actually 15
wary herald
Oh, really??
lusty fossil
There's a prequel
lusty fossil
If you can get the audiobooks from your library, super worth it
wary herald
I get the same feeling when Frodo gets to ||Mount Doom||, and at Helm's Deep in LOTR
lusty fossil
Is a good feel
wary herald
Yes....
wary herald
If you can get the audiobooks from your library, super worth it
I think I'm gonna read The Hunger Games first
lusty fossil
annoying fix to my titlebar problem. Put the menu bar on the bottom.
wary herald
Aha, nice
fading hare
wait, what's the opposite of solid core wire again?
Oh, stranded.
Yeah. I am SMRT.
blissful roost
D'oh!
wooden schooner
wait, what's the opposite of solid core wire again?
liquid core
crystal ore
liquid core
The story checks out. https://scitechdaily.com/liquid-metal-used-in-ultra-stretchable-conducting-wires/
lusty fossil
English question, if I'm listing numbers it should be something like 2, 5, 22 and not 2,5,22 correct?
stray wind
English question, if I'm listing numbers it should be something like 2, 5, 22 an...
Correct. Also valid in Python if you're following good syntax.
lusty fossil
the former is valid? I usually write my stuff that way but the fact that most languages will compile or interpret either just fine throws me off my english skills lol
stray wind
the former is valid? I usually write my stuff that way but the fact that most la...
Yes. The former. Including spaces after commas is correct.
crystal ore
With the exception of thousands separators like writing "$18,000".
stray wind
With the exception of thousands separators like writing "$18,000".
Indeed. Good call.
vernal yoke
With the exception of thousands separators like writing "$18,000".
Does Python have _ separators?
Or C for that matter
crystal ore
Does Python have _ separators?
Yes, as of v3.6.
vernal yoke
Okay, had to check
crystal ore
Or C for that matter
It looks like C++14 introduced single quotes as numeric separators.
vernal yoke
It looks like C++14 introduced single quotes as numeric separators.
Ew what
What about characters
lusty fossil
nooooooooo I just let a piece of metal touch my pi while it was running and now it won't boot!
oooh it's booting!
Phew
raw jasper
sighs in electronics shortage
lusty fossil
I had my work buy 5 of them 6 months ago. Bow before my prescience.
raw jasper
🙇
lusty fossil
yumm
Now I want chinese food
But I have to be at work late
And I don't live anywhere cool where restaurants are open past 8 or 9
burnt tendon
I made Pineapple Buns last weekend. They were pretty great.
lusty fossil
yum
I'm a decidedly middling cook so I don't try cuisine from other countries too often.
And I'm OK with being mediocre, food isn't a big part of my life
shadow siren
if it can't be microwaved it's not worth cooking
raw jasper
Rocks(TM): For a truly balanced diet. Now rich in iron!🪨
static flare
I have just one RPi, wanting to get more
lusty fossil
static flare
my issue is I'm broke haha
lusty fossil
hear you
static flare
plus they don't have my region
raw jasper
https://rpilocator.com/
Oh, it’s so bad that only two shops have rpis in stock
raw jasper
Scrolling through the table of Nos was disheartening
I remember when the very first pi came out (the one with composite video). I bought one as a novelty, never imagining the day would come when demand would overtake supply
crystal ore
What about characters
I think it parses unambiguously so long as the separators are enclosed within digits, like 1'234'568
vernal yoke
Ah
vernal yoke
I think it parses unambiguously so long as the separators are enclosed within di...
That looks hideous
I can tell it's supposed to look like commas
But that looks wrong
raw jasper
Hello from windows
hasty wedge
raw jasper
I just realized my mind has been reading the left component of 難 as 英 for years 🙃
wooden schooner
Yes, as of v3.6.
did not know this, thanks!
raw jasper
Yeah, simplification would do that 😛
wooden schooner
I just realized my mind has been reading the left component of 難 as 英 for years ...
I love that the first character of 汉堡 is 汉. Like, of all the phonetic borrowings to have that character in them, it's the perfect antithesis
raw jasper
I love that the first character of 汉堡 is 汉. Like, of all the phonetic borrowing...
Chinese fortress 😄
hasty quarry
I SPENT HOURS SEARCHING FOR WHY MY VECTOR WAS FLIPPING WHEN I ADDED TWO OF THEM
It was....right....there
Why. Why is it always the overflow errors that get me
IT'S ALWAYS THE OVERFLOW ERRORS
slim shard
low-bit math gets delicate
hasty quarry
I'm so upset
I can't believe I'm not used to suspecting such a thing at this point
This is at least the 3rd or 4th time I've fallen for an integer overflow so hard
"vector + vector = negative vector"
My brain: doesn't ever consider it's an overflow
slim shard
it is bad math, assuming one of the vectors aren't negative to an overwhelming degree to start with
stoic mesa
made same mistake, too.
I'd really avoid all use of int8_t type. With amount of memory of modern MCU, why not use int16_t everywhere? or almost everywhere
static flare
just got myself an electric guitar :3
raw jasper
Enjoy, guitars are fun
tardy badger
made same mistake, too.
I'd really avoid all use of int8_t type. With amount of ...
Why not just use uint16_t 😉
Who needs negatives
stoic mesa
the power of positive thinking!
raw jasper
That's good to hear 🙂
shadow siren
Just remember the IT test, how many pins on a P4 cpu
A) there are none, the pins are in the socket not on the cpu
shadow siren
P4 is never amd
it's a trick question since by P4 era all sockets were LGA for intel
but don't worry next gen AMD is all LGA also now
AMD is finally leaving the PGA world
Yep want new AMD then be prepared for new MB and new RAM
tardy badger
Oh P4 CPU
My brain omitted the P4 bit
Pentium 4, yeah LGA like all modern Intel cpu
Interesting, didn’t realize AMD announced they would move to LGA at CES this year
I’m way out of the loop
wooden schooner
Why. Why is it always the overflow errors that get me
What application are you using integer vectors for? Image processing?
Oh I guess the aim is to approximate continuous valued vectors without the compute overhead of floats. That seems pretty hard...
raw jasper
I have literally no idea, but are MCUs with an FPU rare?
thick wind
I have literally no idea, but are MCUs with an FPU rare?
Not rare, just more expensive. Anything based on an ARM Cortex M3 and below don't include one, and most low-power consumer MCUs are M0+ these days.
If you need a hardware FPU, pick something with an M4 or up.
- SAMD51: M4
- STM32F3: M4
- Teensy 4.1: M7
raw jasper
Alright, thanks for the info :). I'm as far as they get from the embedded world these days, but who knows where I might need this later?
tardy badger
Samd71 is also an M7
thick wind
Is SAMD71 common though? I just tried to pick out mainstream MCUs.
thick wind
LOL if only
SAMA chips run linux, but that doesn't mean everyone's jumping on them....
thick wind
If you really need an M7 MCU, Teensy 4.x is probably the easiest one to get. It might not be open-source, but it's a solid development board with plenty of compatibilty for almost anything you'll need, whether it's circuitpython, arduino, or PJRC audio libs.
hard mica
Feed back to "large online store":
Product is 0.45ft, specifications table has 0.45in. Spinal Tap writing your product specs now?
burnt tendon
Yeah, I ran out of resources on a Feather M4 so the Teensy 4.1 was the next step.
burnt tendon
just got myself an electric guitar :3
Sounds electrifying!
Like, I wish there was a beefyboi Feather with a M7 MCU on it, but also semiconductor shortage.
thick wind
If only we didn't have companies safety-buying all the stock of STM32F7 and STM32H7...
ATSAME70 has some stock, if anyone knows how to use them...
S70, as well.
Wait, someone has Arduino (almost) working with an S70... https://hackaday.io/project/11946-se7eduino
blissful roost
it's a trick question since by P4 era all sockets were LGA for intel
What was socket 423 & 478 then ?
I still have a working 478 and 479 (Pentium M) ❤️
fair summit
Not rare, just more expensive. Anything based on an ARM Cortex M3 and below don'...
Cortex-M33 sometimes has floating point, and it's a modern design
lusty fossil
I've had nightmares that started with something like this
late radish
oh I think they wrote about those in snow crash
raw jasper
I've had nightmares that started with something like this
This looks like a cursed toothbrush
lusty fossil
I have a Sonicare, my dentist is happy with my teeth (except for one thing) so I'm happy with it. Costs more than manual but dental care in America is hot nonsense.
raw jasper
I've never used an electric toothbrush in my lifetime
lusty fossil
So it's cheaper in the long run
lusty fossil
I've never used an electric toothbrush in my lifetime
I'll never go back
raw jasper
I have this fear that the force exerted would be enough to dislodge shoddily done/deteriorated fillings?
late radish
I have a Sonicare, my dentist is happy with my teeth (except for one thing) so I...
all healthcare in America is nonsense 😦
Adafruit boxes are too cute to throw away, I might have a problem
lusty fossil
Indeed. Dental is especially bad
late radish
Agreed
crystal ore
I tend to think dental is less insane than regular U.S. heathcare. It's much more upfront about just charging you a non-mysterious cost for the services you actually get.
honest moth
Update:
All of a sudden, my Windows 10 machine is working fine, as if all the repairs I did on it finally began working after way too long...
and after I already made 7-Zip archives of [almost] everything too, as if Microsoft knew what I was getting ready to do.
well, ain't that annoying. [Context: I planned on wiping and reformatting the drive to either Ubuntu (ol' reliable), Kali, or a new distro I never tried before, like Manjaro.]
lusty fossil
I tend to think dental is less insane than regular U.S. heathcare. It's much mor...
That's true it's just very expensive and for some reason the insurance is separate from the insurance for your other bones
wooden schooner
I tend to think dental is less insane than regular U.S. heathcare. It's much mor...
yeah and they'll even tell you ahead of time what the non-mysterious cost is. Crazy.
fwiw, I wasn't into the idea of electric toothbrushes but then somehow (I forget why and still can't reconstruct a plausible reason in my head) I tried Sonicare and immediately became a fan. Several features, including the integrated timer, make it easy to to consistently good brushing with no mental effort (while on autopilot, drowsy, etc.).
the bristles are soft (which afaik is always best for toothbrushes), and afaik one is not supposed to use ordinary toothbrush technique (which is itself a nontrivial skill) when using a Sonicare; instead you just hold it lightly to the tooth/gum at a 45 degree angle and make sure to cover each side of each tooth
they didn't even pay me to say all this
pearl vigil
I have this fear that the force exerted would be enough to dislodge shoddily don...
Its only a problem if you press the brush hard against your teeth and gums, you're supposed to be quite light with it. If its tearing stuff up then you were just too late and its a loss anyways, lol
raw jasper
Its only a problem if you press the brush hard against your teeth and gums, you'...
I'd rather not have to worry about this
pearl vigil
I would worry about my mouth health a lot more but alright, manual brushes do not perform as desired
People who loose their teeth tend to have heart issues
raw jasper
oh, my teeth are in place 😄
pearl vigil
If they are good as you say, there is no need to worry about such an issue
lusty fossil
I push relatively hard with my Sonicare and have no 0 issues from it, fwiw
Just had a checkup with the dentist
pearl vigil
I push relatively hard with my Sonicare and have no 0 issues from it, fwiw
You have to press hard and have really bad gums, or a known health issue
raw jasper
Ahahaha, to be clear, I am not afraid of teeth falling out
I was referring to dental fillings 🙂
pearl vigil
My understanding is you should especially use an electric with filling but ask your dentist
Im sure your dentist has an excellent answer
raw jasper
Dentists in my country typically don't recommend electric -- Maybe it's a cultural thing?
pearl vigil
Or maybe its your currency value/avg income so its not nearly as accessible? I have no idea what country you're in
raw jasper
Could be a valid component too
Yeah, the whole "having no idea what country I'm in" thing is kind of intentional 😄
I mean, new heads are expensive!
(Unless you buy shanzhai versions from aliexpress, which I'm not so sure about..?)
pearl vigil
Yeah, the whole "having no idea what country I'm in" thing is kind of intentiona...
Sure, just dont be offended if what Im saying isnt true, I just know in many places things I would consider normal can be much less accessible, many times it's not even a money issue, rather an importation one
raw jasper
Sure, just dont be offended if what Im saying isnt true, I just know in many pla...
Hahaha, don't worry about it, in fact I'm glad you even stop to consider such parameters
wooden schooner
(Unless you buy shanzhai versions from aliexpress, which I'm not so sure about.....
yeah I have so far been paying a pretty penny for a new head every 3mo out of fear the knockoffs would be abrasive or something
raw jasper
yeah I have so far been paying a pretty penny for a new head every 3mo out of fe...
..Or disintegrate inside the mouth..?
I once bought a bad quality manual toothbrush that decided to disintegrate itself while I was using it
Spitting out all the toothbrush hair that ended up in my mouth was a.... fun experience
raw jasper
Guess my LibreOffice has become extra cursed
wary herald
Guess my LibreOffice has become extra cursed
Nooooo
raw jasper
I have no idea how the height value got glitched like that 🙃
vernal yoke
well, ain't that annoying. [Context: I planned on wiping and reformatting the dr...
Why Kali
Isn't that just Debian, but with preinstalled stuff
shadow siren
kali is target as a security penetration testing
lusty fossil
Drier can't seem to ever get my comforter fully dry. There's always some wet spots
wooden schooner
how ironic
||joke 1: "comforter" is not comfortable when its wet. Joke 1.5: an iron is another hot thing associated with laundry||
lusty fossil
Lol
raw jasper
In things I just learned:
comforter: A woollen scarf (outdated)
slim shard
LibreOffice just had a compatibility enhancement, MS compatibility has always been an iffy thing.
honest moth
kali is target as a security penetration testing
Yep! Thanks for that summary.
karmic mango
Hey everyone 👋
This is Apurva, a 2023 undergrad, pursuing CS in India. I love web development and problem solving 💖
I'll be interning at Microsoft this summer ✨. Would love to connect with you all on GitHub
fading hare
Isn't that just Debian, but with preinstalled stuff
Well. It has like several hundred different pentesting tools preinstalled, something that you'd not find in the standard Debian or Ubuntu software repos. But, yeah, it's essentially Debian, which is essentially Linux, which is essentially one Finnish guy's interpretation of UNIX. What's your point?
honest moth
Well. It has like several hundred different pentesting tools preinstalled, somet...
thank you. 💚
fading hare
I gotchu fam.
Funny story. One of my former coworkers (an awesome full-stack dev) was on tour with his indie band (they got big for a while back in the mid 2000s) in Finland. They walk into some local bar in some podunk town in Finland, after being frisked and disarmed (Finnish people all have knives, and they all drink like Russians), he's ready to after-party like a Finn. Walks up to the bar and orders beers and shots for the band... Looks over, and there, in this random Finnish bar, sits Linus Torvalds, sipping a pint of beer. Real story. My former coworker obviously fan-girled pretty hard, and kicked off a conversation with Linus about everything under the sun. They spoke for quite a while about the count of curse words in the Linux kernel, and how Linus will never stop making fun of people committing dumb stuff to the kernel.
Linus is a beast. I would have thrown my hands up a long time ago in frustration and indignation. The Linux kernel gets so many PRs from state actors all over the globe that it's extremely hard to evaluate all of them. You know that's how the CIA and others ended up submitting patches that enabled back doors in the kernel.
Sure, most of the PRs aren't malicious, they're just committed by dumb people that fail to realize what they're doing, because they are used to cutting corners. Linus will publicly shame these people, which I think is the right approach. You want to commit code to the most used kernel on the planet? Better not be a dingus.
Have you ever wrapped every Null Pointer Exception in your application source in a noop try/catch? You are what's wrong with this world, and I'd like to help you become a better human being.
Yeah, I am looking at you, graduates of the Java Class of Cutting Corners.
vagrant sonnet
That sounds like a great way to have the program regularly and mysteriously stop working properly
dusty citrus
'it's easier' has become a thing, somehow, during my lifetime.
As if that were the only metric to go by. ;)
It's also easier to skip a layer when doing a floor or a roof.
fading hare
Yeah. It's such a fundamental, basic, thing. Why ignore it? I guess you can prove to your boss that it works, as long as you do not tangent any edge cases?
dusk oracle
i decided to add a usb host interface to my esp 32 hand held
lusty fossil
I wish we could normalize snake case or camel case for people's names in IG handles. I can eventually figure it out for English names but it's really hard for non English ones.
fading hare
Oh, sweet, the ICs, FETs, and a few other things arrived for my board.
burnt tendon
I.C.
lusty fossil
In case anyone was curious what's under the gas pumps
fading hare
Oh, hey, @honest moth did you ever get Manjaro installed?
vernal yoke
Well. It has like several hundred different pentesting tools preinstalled, somet...
Exactly, just preinstalled pentesting tools. I don't think that would necessarily be appropriate for replacing Windows
fading hare
Exactly, just preinstalled pentesting tools. I don't think that would necessaril...
I don't think that was the ask.
vernal yoke
well, ain't that annoying. [Context: I planned on wiping and reformatting the dr...
^^^ Based on this I mean
fading hare
Exactly, just preinstalled pentesting tools. I don't think that would necessaril...
But, let's be real, you could install GNOME or KDE on Kali as well, and it would still be better than Windows.
vernal yoke
I was wondering why you would need a bunch of pentesting tools on a Windows substitute
fading hare
What made you think it was a "substitute" he was after?
vernal yoke
He said he was going to wipe Windows off
¯_(ツ)_/¯
A Windows...equivalent
Windows...like?
Not sure
A Linux system similar to Windows
fading hare
Gates technically stole some of that from Wozniak and Jobs and brought it to market faster.
But, that is ancient history, as they say.
vernal yoke
Gates technically stole some of that from Wozniak and Jobs and brought it to mar...
MS stole from Apple
That's hilarious
What did they steal
I can't think of what MS might steal
fading hare
But, to the point, this was in 1970-something.
And, it was not code they stole. It was ideas.
vernal yoke
~~well patents exist for a reason~~
(this is a joke)
fading hare
Patents are only a thing if you live in a country where someone can sue you for violating said patent.
So, move to China and steal whatever you like, nobody can touch you anyway.
vernal yoke
So, move to China and steal whatever you like, nobody can touch you anyway.
Ugh, China
🤮
The government I mean
Not the people
fading hare
Just toe the party line, you'll be fine! Trust me!
fading hare
I am not going to make it a political statement by explaining.
fading hare
I had to re-home my Raspberry Pi 4 in a different case with a better heat sink, and my, it certainly made a difference. 20 degrees cooler.
(well, 10 when Home Assistant is just chilling and not updating), that spike where it almost went into the 70s, it was when I upgraded Home Assistant and some of the plugins.
wooden schooner
A hypothetical and/or real electrician changed a light switch without wearing gloves. Rather than switching the breaker off at the box, they created a short circuit at the light switch so that the breaker threw itself. They said their shoes (dielectric boots, presumably) were enough protection. Are they 100% insane?
crystal ore
I'll drop my estimate to only 90% insane if they at least did it with one hand in their pocket.
chrome sinew
As they say, work smarter not.... wait
wooden schooner
I'll drop my estimate to only 90% insane if they at least did it with one hand i...
because this makes it less likely for them to momentarily forget and touch a metal contact with the other hand?
crystal ore
because this makes it less likely for them to momentarily forget and touch a met...
Yep, the primary danger is having a current path across your chest and through your heart. A good rule of thumb when doing electrical work is to only use one hand to prevent that, and putting it in your pocket is a good way to ensure that.
wooden schooner
Yep, the primary danger is having a current path across your chest and through y...
In addition to wearing gloves and turning off the breaker before working, I hope!?
crystal ore
(Caveat: I am not a licensed electrician, so this is just what I've heard...)
crystal ore
In addition to wearing gloves and turning off the breaker before working, I hope...
Totally! "Belt and suspenders" redundant safety policies for the win.
wooden schooner
I don't know what to make of the fact that the electricians are the ones not doing the safety things. Apparently he even said something to the onlooking tenant like "What, are you afraid of a little electricity?"
crystal ore
Humans are really bad at judging low-probability but high-risk events. It's so easy to round up "99% safe" to "100% safe".
wooden schooner
ugh so true
lusty fossil
Sparkies are another breed.
lusty fossil
Noooooo, I forgot how denim works. I washed my new very dark jeans with whites in the same load. My favorite shirt is ruined!
fading hare
I am wheezing with laughter! Oh, dang, I can relate, though. Definitely done that once or twice.
lusty fossil
I'm so annoyed because I knew this was a thing
We'll see if bleach can save my baby
Babies* I had multiple great shirts in there
fading hare
that sucks... I feel bad for laughing... while I continue to laugh... I think the worst thing to ever happen to a piece of clothing--an ecologically sourced, hand-knitted llama wool sweater from Peru that I had had since I was 19-20 something--was my ex-wife shrinking it to about the size of a toddler. It was a long thing, with long arms. Probably the most comfortable sweater I have ever owned. It was also extremely expensive. That's not why we divorced, but it could have been.
lusty fossil
Noooooo!
That's rough
I'm rushing around target carrying this giant metal tub meant for ice and hoping it'll hold water and bleach for soaking
fading hare
I am not going to tell you how much it cost, but it came with a letter of certification from a pretty influential organization, and most of the cost was essentially a donation. It had been lovingly made by someone in Peru, then flown all the way to Scandinavia, where I picked it up. The owner of the store was like, "are you sure?" and I just told them to take my money.
fading hare
I'm rushing around target carrying this giant metal tub meant for ice and hoping...
it'll definitely hold water if it's meant for ice
because... ice is water... 😄
So yeah. That sweater being ruined was a thing. That was at least 20 years ago, and I still remember the heartache I felt when I found it in the laundry basket she had brought up from the laundry room.
And now I am almost angry. 😄
lusty fossil
It should but I'll have to keep it outside to be safe
fading hare
Silicone caulk? Will that work with bleach?
I mean... quick and dirty.
and I also don't remember how long it takes for that caulk to fully cure
lusty fossil
Longer than I have. I have to start soaking these before they dry
honest moth
Oh, hey, <@!716447642871136339> did you ever get Manjaro installed?
Still working on that. Windows 10 started working again for no flipping reason.
And I hadn't even deleted anything yet.
vernal yoke
Yep, the primary danger is having a current path across your chest and through y...
I've heard something like that, but instead putting one hand behind your back
umbral phoenix
Noooooo, I forgot how denim works. I washed my new very dark jeans with whites i...
I stopped buying whites for that reason. It's too dang hard to keep them white.
lusty fossil
I've never had an issue washing them with colors, just now
Target seasonally carries really cute short sleeve button downs, and I had a nice collection of cool patterns
umbral phoenix
my wardrobe is scientifically designed to be able to get washed all in one load (well, s few things have to get outsourced)
lusty fossil
Trying to soak in oxyclean
wooden schooner
I stopped buying whites for that reason. It's too dang hard to keep them white.
do color absorbing sheets not work, or are they bad for some other reason
umbral phoenix
never heard of those
wooden schooner
oh like Shout Color Catcher or Carbona Color Grabber
I've heard they can make colors a little less vivid and that makes sense. I've found it to work for my purposes (which are not very demanding)
though these days I hand-wash most of my clothes, and the things I machine wash are undergarments where color bleeding matters less
lusty fossil
I'm hoping target brings back this style of shirt. They don't have it right now
umbral phoenix
interesting. my unsolved problem with whites would be their strong {insert mystical phenomenom here} attraction to things that stain
wooden schooner
ah yes, like the attraction of cold things to heat from their ambient environment
well. you might try color catcher sheets and see if they help enough for your purpose
umbral phoenix
I've already shed all the things that would be harmed from my range 🙂
wooden schooner
ah right you have already solved this problem
wooden schooner
I'm hoping target brings back this style of shirt. They don't have it right now
is it one of their branded tees
lusty fossil
They are short sleeve button downs
They are part of my casual-professional work attire
wooden schooner
ah. a genre I never wear
nice
for some reason I much prefer rolling up the sleeves on long-sleeve button downs
lusty fossil
They are the perfect length, they don't need to be tucked in but can be if really want
wooden schooner
elbow length sleeves is for some reason much better for me
as for tucking... I always tuck
lusty fossil
I don't like my elbows constrained!
wooden schooner
I used to wear those Uniqlo sweatpants that look like slacks if worn with a business casual outfit
crystal ore
for some reason I much prefer rolling up the sleeves on long-sleeve button downs
I'm with you. Rolled up sleeves seem more masculine for some reason. 💪
lusty fossil
Hmmmm, I did steal this look from a woman I worked with...
umbral phoenix
I like the short-sleeve button-down untucked stuff for travel
or even when I want a step up from a t-shirt
wooden schooner
I think for me it wasn't a masculinity thing, though I can see that being a reasonable point of view. "Oh, this? I was just rolling it up to do some hands-dirty work with my stereotypically-male muscles"
lusty fossil
Most of the folks I work with wear work clothes, so I feel like a fancy boy
umbral phoenix
what are 'work clothes' these days?
lusty fossil
Uniform top, jeans/thicker khakis, work boots
umbral phoenix
hasn't the pandemic given people enough freedom / power to make anything goes
wooden schooner
I have worn ATG Wrangler utility pants (also bought at Target) + long underwear all winter
umbral phoenix
hasn't the pandemic given people enough freedom / power to make anything goes
aspirational thinking, the more I read about the harms of 'fast fashion'
lusty fossil
Yeaaaah
Unfortunately target has just the right quality:cost to make it hard to beat.
Can't get pants there, they don't carry my size. But I get most everything else there.
wooden schooner
same/similar, I get almost all my clothes at target
what's the bad thing? That Target's clothes are low-quality and thus more wasteful than buying durable clothes?
lusty fossil
They are fast fashion but probably the highest quality fast fashion I've found
Few clothing companies have good labor standards, but fast fashion are among the worst.
raw jasper
Isn't fast fashion a term similar to fast food, not a specific company?
lusty fossil
The jeans that sparked this conversation were made in the USA, but as such they were not cheap
Yeah it is
@raw jasper
I should have specified that I meant target as an example not the only
raw jasper
Sadly, labor standards and clothing companies are not words commonly seen together
wooden schooner
for button downs my favorites are department stores like TJ Maxx, Ross, etc. where they have a bunch of random eclectic things
raw jasper
I've been avoiding buying denim because the first N washes are a headache-inducing affair
They need a wash for themselves!
fading hare
How is this news?
wooden schooner
I might never go back to jeans. Once I discovered the possibility of wearing pants that have hip mobility, it was life-changing
fading hare
I always wash EVERYTHING I buy separately before I wear them, or wash them with anything else.
lusty fossil
I haven't bought anything with as much dye as super dark denim in a loooong time.
But I now have a blue towel that I didn't have before
raw jasper
You are probably right in doing that, but I haven't had any color bleeding issues in years, so that's that.
raw jasper
But I now have a blue towel that I didn't have before
Congrats on your new blue towel! 😄🙃
fading hare
The best pants of all time are the 5.11 Defender-Flex. You gotta watch out for sales and clearances, though, because their regular price is hard to swallow at $75. I once bought half a bin of these pants at a local 5.11 store at $12/pair. They looked at me funny at first, then they were like, yeah, I would have done the same thing if I had the opportunity to do so.
it's basically all I wear
raw jasper
The best pants of all time are the 5.11 Defender-Flex. You gotta watch out for s...
Heh, to my European brain, the product name sounds like something out of the defense industry 😄
fading hare
it is
they make clothes for law enforcement and military
but, these pants are tanks... I'm tellin' ya
lusty fossil
I had some wrangler ranch jeans that were real tough but my waistline expanded
fading hare
I always wear knives, and these pants have excellent protection on all pockets for wear and tear from knife clips
lusty fossil
They were tight to begin with
fading hare
and, they are stretchy
even if you're a chunky boy, the Defender-Flex Slim will make you look like Adonis himself blessed you
wooden schooner
even if you're a chunky boy, the Defender-Flex Slim will make you look like Adon...
Skinny people can bless fat people, right? Asking for a friend
fading hare
Skinny people can bless fat people, right? Asking for a friend
Not sure what that is supposed to mean, but, I'll take it as an honest question instead of some kind of barb... Everybody can bless everyone else, at all times, for no other reason than blessings are blessed.
And, for the reference, I am not skinny.
wooden schooner
Not sure what that is supposed to mean, but, I'll take it as an honest question ...
It is a self deprecating joke. I am not skinny but used to be and hope to be again someday soon
fading hare
It is a self deprecating joke. I am not skinny but used to be and hope to be ag...
amen, brother
wooden schooner
I'll certainly have a wardrobe ready for me once that happens
umbral phoenix
I haven't been anywhere near 100 since... grade school? but then I'm tall
fading hare
My bone structure is very thin, and most of my weight is gathered around my abdomen and thighs, although of late it's been spreading out a bit, which makes me look less like I am hiding a basketball under my shirt.
fading hare
I haven't been anywhere near 100 since... grade school? but then I'm tall
I'm 185 cm (6')
umbral phoenix
I'm a couple over that. I wonder if I still have measurements from school years somewhere
fading hare
So anyway. We all have different concepts of what chunky means. All I was saying was that it doesn't matter what size you are, these pants will still make you look good.
Hopefully I haven't insulted anyone.
umbral phoenix
It seems (men's) pants have fairly recently started adding a stretchy component. I love wearing jeans, find them comfortable, even the pure cotton ones. But the newer ones that stretch just a little are nice.
fading hare
Indeed. It's like women finding clothes with pockets and getting super excited. I find a pair of pants with just a little bit of stretch and I am all kinds of happy.
umbral phoenix
pockets, what would I do without pockets?
fading hare
Ask every woman that has lived on this planet since time immemorial.
umbral phoenix
no-pockets must be a conspiracy by the purse manufacturers 😉
fading hare
You get a really big freakin' purse.
wooden schooner
You get a really big freakin' purse.
called a "pocketbook" in some regions
umbral phoenix
I actually hate having anything in my pockets, but it's a necessaity sometimes
fading hare
called a "pocketbook" in some regions
No, no, I am talking about the ones that are the size of a tote. Pocketbooks are small.
fading hare
I actually hate having anything _in_ my pockets, but it's a necessaity sometimes
I'm the same. I only have my phone and a knife in my left pocket, and in my right will be my wallet, which is super slim.
lusty fossil
If it doesn't have a strap to go over your shoulder, what even is the point?
wooden schooner
No, no, I am talking about the ones that are the size of a tote. Pocketbooks are...
lusty fossil
Pocketbooks have always seemed like they were designed by someone who wanted to hurt women sneakily
fading hare
Well, if paired with a wrist strap, they are super useful when out and about in a dress that... you know... looks good, but doesn't have any options for storage.
raw jasper
I'd like to see a study on the impact of pocketbook use / lack of pockets on the joint health of women
lusty fossil
Like Crawley in Good Omens causing small amounts of chaos in thousands of lives to spread evil
raw jasper
I am pretty sure there would be some effect 😐
lusty fossil
I think heels probably are a bigger offender where joints are concerned
wooden schooner
anything that bears weight and goes over one shoulder seems pretty bad
raw jasper
Heels are evil too
wooden schooner
backpack with waist strap may be a fashion crime but I think it deserves some amnesty for its shoulder relief
umbral phoenix
the style with backpacks used to be over one shoulder only, pretty bad
lusty fossil
I wore a bum bag for...12, 13 years to carry needed medication in it.
My mommy sewed it for me
I was popular
fading hare
I am not trying to get too political here, but society has valued women less than basically anyone else. That's why they don't get pockets.
real falcon
look at clothes design. usually, its designed so women needs someone else to clothe them
fading hare
And carry all their stuff. Or, to make sure they can't carry anything.
lusty fossil
I'm gonna be so sad when my drifting off to sleep is no longer accompanied by my dog's extreme snoring
fading hare
The irony is that we used to have matriarchal societies but dudes were so insecure that they couldn't stand this...
fading hare
I'm gonna be so sad when my drifting off to sleep is no longer accompanied by my...
I don't have a dog, but my wife is great at providing static noise.
If I offended anyone tonight, please ping me. I am always trying to be a better human being, even though I am old, bitter, and cantankerous.
lusty fossil
Lol
raw jasper
Cats are nice
fading hare
Moments of pure innocence from a predator born to hunt and kill.
raw jasper
*self-domesticated predator
raw jasper
Of course, cats would be too proud to get domesticated 😄
fading hare
The only thing that tops cat sneezes is weasel sneezes
raw jasper
I've heard a cat sneeze, but a weasel?
fading hare
holy moly
wooden schooner
I am a fan of those little piggies, the breed that can be house pets
raw jasper
Weasels can be house pets...?
lusty fossil
I am a fan of those little piggies, the breed that can be house pets
That's a myth!
fading hare
lost in translation
lusty fossil
There's no such thing as a micro pig
wooden schooner
That's a myth!
I have heard they are sensitive and hard to take care of
fading hare
I'm a micro pig, and I take offense to that.
lusty fossil
They don't exist! They all get big
fading hare
😄
wooden schooner
ugh that sounds horrible sigh thank you for informing me
I was not going to get one because being hard to take care of is enough to scare me away, but definitely want to know
raw jasper
Indeed it sounds /very/ horrible
Like those dog "breeds" (whatever that means) that are essentially born to suffer
lusty fossil
Sigh, National Geographic, I do NOT trust you with my email and will elect to not read your article rather than give it to you
fading hare
sigh
I am just sad about animals being bred and controlled by humans for no other reason than displays of power and virility
lusty fossil
I'm trying to find something that isn't PETA, because they are straight trash when it comes to animal welfare. They are the Susan G Komen of animal rights
raw jasper
Did you know that pig hearts grow throughout the animal's lifetime?
lusty fossil
I want micro pigs to exist, but it would probably take centuries of breeding to make it happen
My mom is a scientist and had a study on pigs when I was young. So I had a "pet" pig that I fed apples and named Doorknob. I didn't get the difference between normal and proper nouns.
fading hare
I'm trying to find something that isn't PETA, because they are straight trash wh...
this might upset some people that don't know about the CEO of Susan G Komen... and people that have been tricked by PETA to think that PETA is anything other than Westboro Baptist Church, just replace the rainbow flag hate with animal welfare.
wooden schooner
based on the description in that article of "micropigs," I was not thinking of that
fading hare
(basically a family of lawyers suing everyone for no reason)
wooden schooner
knee height, which the article says is not micro, definitely counts as small enough to me
raw jasper
Who/What is "Susan G. Komen"?
wooden schooner
them being a herd animal makes total sense thx. I think I have generally seen them with at least one other pig, fortunately. Not sure if that's enough
fading hare
Who/What is "Susan G. Komen"?
the CEO of a breast cancer org in the US
she basically diverted a very large percentage of donations to upper echelon salaries
lusty fossil
I don't think kune kune pigs are small in the mass sense, tho. They are dense
raw jasper
I see!
lusty fossil
I just try to spread the word about micro pigs whenever I get the chance, hopefully prevent someone from buying one if I can.
fading hare
I don't even know if she's still there... but, yeah... that whole debacle got them a really, really, really bad Guidestar rating.
lusty fossil
Also another article says kune kune are 100-400 lbs. A 100 lb dog is decidedly a large dog
fading hare
A 100 lbs pig is just a snack.
lusty fossil
A 400 lb dog is 3 great Danes in a giant trench coat
raw jasper
Max 181kg?!
Golly...
(Yeah, I had to do the conversion, my mind is not trained to think in lbs 😄 )
lusty fossil
Lol
wooden schooner
ah yeah, those compact tungsten pigs
fading hare
Also, if you don't know about Guidestar, I highly suggest you use it before you donate to any non-profit organization.