#general-chat | adafruit | Page 215

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 6:41 AM

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He can Heck Goff

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I'm glad I don't use linked in

static flare Jan 28, 2022, 6:41 AM

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I didn't think it was me, it was more just a "look at that, I'm surprised that's a thing you can do"

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 6:42 AM

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I probably should

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 6:43 AM

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static flare I didn't think it was me, it was more just a "look at that, I'm surprised that's...

yeah, it's a thing... but this was mostly accidental... I was like, oh, I found their website, and read some stuff, and then I was like cool, and went down the rabbit hole through Google, into Zillow, and to Google Maps, and... There I was. Standing on the sidewalk.

crystal ore Jan 28, 2022, 6:43 AM

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I've found LinkedIn to be the least objectionable social network, heh heh.

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 6:43 AM

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I finally have a job I'm semi proud of so maybe it's worth getting in to

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 6:43 AM

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LinkedIn is also the least interesting social network. Coincidentally.

static flare Jan 28, 2022, 6:43 AM

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Discord is usually chill in experience

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 6:43 AM

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I'd basically never post

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Just use it for job search.

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 6:44 AM

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I only go on there to say "no, I don't know this person" to the usual pile of recruiters hopping on every week

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 6:44 AM

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I find capitalism stans who post a ton on LinkedIn super cringe

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Like "I'm married to my job and to the grind and that makes me a good person" types

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I'm obsessive about work but at least I recognize that it's a bad thing

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 6:44 AM

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The Grind™️

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I work smart. Not hard.

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 6:45 AM

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I work dumb for a while, then panic when I'm low on time and work really really hard. It's terrible for my heart but I know no other way.

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Having a dog has helped. Not coming home to a dark, cold apartment is lovely

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 6:49 AM

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lusty fossil I work dumb for a while, then panic when I'm low on time and work really really ...

It happens. Sometimes it can get monotonous and you just kind of slip down into this funk and then you realize, dang, I should get all this done. Not sure what you do for a living, but as a software dev/team lead, I find that it helps a lot if I take notes and then look at them every day and formulate a plan of action.

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 6:49 AM

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I tend to just take avenues of investigation that are a waste of time

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 6:49 AM

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I am all about the "brute force" way of learning.

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 6:50 AM

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I just finally after forever really grokked P and N channel FETs as switches and it feels great.

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 6:52 AM

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Reading things, writing down a bunch of things on paper, being super smart and then very carefully following a scientific or academic process to solve or implement something is not something I do. That time other people spend reading or watching videos I spend trying to break the thing. And then I am trying to fix it. Hoping I didn't brick it.

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P and N was weird for me too.

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I am still not entirely sure I remember it correctly, so I will probably Google it next time I am using FETs.

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 6:53 AM

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P is good for high side switching, N for low

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If you're trying to trigger it with just a GPIO. Otherwise you can do weird stuff to make a P work for low if you want or an N for high but I've never had call to do so.

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 6:59 AM

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k

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wasn't there something with high amp stuff where one was more performant?

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All I know is that my FETs got a bit hot, and performance degraded so I screwed heat sinks onto the drains.

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 7:02 AM

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I don't know there

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Fets are super complex devices

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Lots going on there

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 7:04 AM

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yeah, for sure

raw jasper Jan 28, 2022, 8:27 AM

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static flare Discord is usually chill in experience

Yeah, as long as you find the right "servers", which I admittedly have no idea how to do -- Many very public servers seem to be toxic frog pits (metaphorically and literally)

real falcon Jan 28, 2022, 8:30 AM

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I tend to go only for focused topic servers

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any topic ones tend to be toxic

burnt tendon Jan 28, 2022, 4:45 PM

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fading hare All I know is that my FETs got a bit hot, and performance degraded so I screwed ...

N channel FETS tend to be more efficient both because of the low-side switching as well as the general fundamental structure, although efficient P-channel FETs also exist.

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Basically, an N-channel FET sees the voltage after the voltage drop, whereas the P-channel FET sees the voltage before the voltage drop, I guess?

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And, otherwise, the N-channel is passing electrons, more or less, whereas the P-channel is passing holes.

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The problem is that if you are using a FET to switch on something like a microcontroller board, an N-channel is going to have the ground rail for the board at the same potential as the source, whereas a P-channel is going to actually turn the power off.

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 6:30 PM

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burnt tendon Basically, an N-channel FET sees the voltage after the voltage drop, whereas the...

Thank you for this. That actually explained it to me in a way that I understood.

tardy badger Jan 28, 2022, 7:15 PM

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Me waiting for my copy of Pokémon Legends Arceus to be delivered:

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https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-waiting-still-waiting-gif-13052487

Tenor

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 8:10 PM

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tardy badger Me waiting for my copy of Pokémon Legends Arceus to be delivered:

Is that on the switch? I keep meaning to get a switch and then having expenses

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Also i wasn't impressed by the graphics tbh. The Pokémon Company are really not good at graphics, or the decide that they can get away with doing a bad job.

tardy badger Jan 28, 2022, 8:15 PM

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Yeah

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The game is actually really good from what I’ve heard

hard mica Jan 28, 2022, 8:15 PM

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When I was a kid we had to find our own switch in the woods. Senseless violence soon followed.

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 8:22 PM

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Lol

raw jasper Jan 28, 2022, 8:39 PM

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lusty fossil Is that on the switch? I keep meaning to get a switch and then having expenses

I remember the days when you could get a DS for ~ EUR100

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 8:39 PM

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Tbf the switch is much more capable

raw jasper Jan 28, 2022, 8:39 PM

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It's basically an ARM tablet

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 8:49 PM

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You think they're bad at graphics? Wait until you see their stellar work with network stacks. ;)

burnt tendon Jan 28, 2022, 9:34 PM

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fading hare Thank you for this. That actually explained it to me in a way that I understood.

Okay, hopefully I actually made things clear instead of misleading.

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:01 PM

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crystal ore I've found LinkedIn to be the least objectionable social network, heh heh.

I had basically filed it as "Facebook for adults, and they tell you who looked at your profile."

crystal ore Jan 28, 2022, 10:12 PM

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wooden schooner I had basically filed it as "Facebook for adults, and they tell you who looked a...

That's a paid Premium feature, I think.

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:14 PM

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ah, forgot about that part. That makes it even more quintessentially "Facebook for adults."

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:17 PM

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I can't imagine paying for that

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:19 PM

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if I try to imagine Facebook adding that as a paid feature, I imagine a huge public backlash

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:19 PM

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Because that would be weird

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:19 PM

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wooden schooner if I try to imagine Facebook adding that as a paid feature, I imagine a huge pub...

People would just post to their profiles "I do not consent to being charged." and assume that works.

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:19 PM

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||Careful what you ask for - many on this server are capable of extreme cynicism||

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:19 PM

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Oops

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I just despise Facebook and their lack of care with their product

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:20 PM

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lusty fossil I just despise Facebook and their lack of care with their product

valid

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:20 PM

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lusty fossil People would just post to their profiles "I do not consent to being charged." an...

I uh don't think this would do anything

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:22 PM

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wooden schooner I uh don't think this would do anything

Idk if you recall but a few years ago everyone's tech illiterate relatives posted (paraphrased) "I don't consent to Facebook owning my photos/posts.", expecting that to do something

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:23 PM

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I am not on facebook

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:23 PM

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Ah yeah it was...really embarrassing

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I lost respect for some people

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:23 PM

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or peoples posting copyright disclaimer claiming fair use on a 2h ripped video on youtube

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:23 PM

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lusty fossil I lost respect for some people

why? (can you spell it out for me, I don't have the context)

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:23 PM

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I even argued with someone who did that and explained a judge wouldn't care neither would the MPAA

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:23 PM

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ah, the old "I know I'm infringing, so I'm not infringing"

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:23 PM

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wooden schooner why? (can you spell it out for me, I don't have the context)

Thinking that a FB posts overrides the terms of service they agreed to

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:24 PM

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that's what I thought, thanks for confirming

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:24 PM

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Like...that's not how law works. That's like the sovereign citizens deciding there's a difference between "travelling" and "driving". Don't look into it, it's maddening and sad.

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:24 PM

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or they mirror all the frames and claim it's not a derivative work but an original movie

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I imagine a lawyer at universal being like "sorry boss, they mirrored all the frame so we are the ones infringing now"

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:26 PM

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Lol

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I think LinkedIn has adequately threaded the needle of remaining about professions/jobs primarily but it still suffers from what all social media suffers from: I'm the Main Character syndrome

wooden schooner Jan 28, 2022, 10:32 PM

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also ||creepy recommender system||

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:33 PM

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I'm annoyed with how fast IG figured out I'm trying to lose weight.

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I never googled weight loss stuff, I guess I just interacted with low calorie/plant based stuff

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But it's nice to see how many plant based alternatives there are now

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:41 PM

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wooden schooner also ||creepy recommender system||

so much this, I have a 14yo little sister and get recommended her friends all the time and I'm in my thirties...

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:43 PM

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That would be uncomfortable

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:43 PM

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either that or I get recommended friends from 6000km noone of my friends is friend with that I never heard about for some reason

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 10:44 PM

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The friend recommendation system is completely broken.

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:44 PM

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It's so bad I removed the recommend section with ublock origin ads section remover but I have to redo it once in a while

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For peoples my age wouldn't be so bad if I actually got recommended to them as well

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 10:45 PM

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For years it kept recommending these random women that I have basically nobody in common with that I know of, and it was just weird. I kept clicking and clicking and clicking that I didn't know the person or whatever, and eventually it chilled out a bit, but it's still broken.

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:45 PM

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just so the friend request doesn't seem to come out of the blue so badly

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:45 PM

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I can't imagine what it's like for teachers

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 10:46 PM

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Teachers that friend their students are definitely doing the Internet wrong.

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 10:46 PM

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I bet they have to be really strict about not being friends with parents though

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That's more what I was thinking.

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Like they get recommended the kids via the parents.

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:47 PM

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The first times I didn't know so I added random person and they were like "Who are you?" - Facebook recommended I add you maybe we have stuff in common or something "Creep blocked"

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 10:47 PM

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lol

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:50 PM

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When pre-filled questions came I made a few comedians laugh by asking them in private messages "what services they where offering" or "what their hours of business were" thought 🤣

fading hare Jan 28, 2022, 10:51 PM

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hahahaa

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 10:51 PM

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even well-known ones in my country that would probably never have replied usually

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 11:19 PM

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Anyone ever get small grooming scissors sharpened? I assume that's a thing

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Mine struggle to trim my stache

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I'd hate to toss them, I mean they are recyclable but re use is better than recycling

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 11:25 PM

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probably not worth to invest too much in that i'd use a sharpener steel the long one that looks like a round sword

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 11:29 PM

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Hmmm idk how to use that on shears. I'm ok spending money to keep stuff out of the landfill

honest moth Jan 28, 2022, 11:37 PM

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Nah, Storage_Locker-2 is just the codename I gave one of my many drives, that I intend to eventually combine into a HDD/SSD/USB drive array, contained in a compact and portable cube...with cooling of course! [and a ton of power according to my hypothesis.]
I'll leave that project's definitive codename a secret until then.

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...granted they survive this mass-transfer.

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already had my spare 8 GB futz out on me.

[And yes, I will build my Floppy Drive into it as well. YOU CAN'T STOP ME!!!]

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 11:46 PM

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lusty fossil Hmmm idk how to use that on shears. I'm ok spending money to keep stuff out of t...

same as you would with a very small knife by pressing down with fingers in a V shape

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 11:49 PM

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Hmm. It's my Saturday so I can just go by the sharpening place in town

dusty citrus Jan 28, 2022, 11:55 PM

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put one blade of the scissor above the steel and one under and do the normal moves downward and it sharpen both sides at the same time

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perfectly doable

lusty fossil Jan 28, 2022, 11:56 PM

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Hmmm I'll see what the sharpener says, they'll be able to tell me what I need. Thanks tho

raw jasper Jan 29, 2022, 12:33 AM

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lusty fossil Hmm. It's my Saturday so I can just go by the sharpening place in town

You still have sharpener shops?!

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 12:34 AM

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Several. We also have radioshacks

raw jasper Jan 29, 2022, 12:34 AM

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Yup, you’re a time traveller to the future alright

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 12:35 AM

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Yeah things have gotten weirder, how'd y'all mess up so badly?

raw jasper Jan 29, 2022, 12:35 AM

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I… have no idea, you probably killed a butterfly or something on the way here

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And now we live in the Weirdest Timeline ™️

crystal ore Jan 29, 2022, 12:41 AM

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My theory is that we crossed over to the Onionverse at some point, since their article headlines seem quite normal now.

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 12:43 AM

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The Onion writers must feel weird about our reality

raw jasper Jan 29, 2022, 12:45 AM

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The onion writers will soon be out of a job

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Reality truly has become stranger than fiction

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:15 AM

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Reality has always been stranger than fiction. Where do you think authors get all their ideas from? 🙃

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@vernal yoke so, on to the WSL2 issues

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:24 AM

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Only 1 issue, C IntelliSense is being slow

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:24 AM

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Here's a question... Did you install C/C++ extensions into the WSL2 instance of VS Code?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:24 AM

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Yes

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I did that recently

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:24 AM

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Tried uninstalling everything?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:25 AM

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Uninstalling what?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:25 AM

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Extensions.

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And if you have any C/C++ tooling installed in Windows.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:25 AM

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Oh wait...

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:25 AM

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What are you working on? Against what includes?

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there you go

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:26 AM

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Well, it's enabled

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:26 AM

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BOOM

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:26 AM

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But it says

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:26 AM

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uninstall it

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:26 AM

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:26 AM

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hmm...

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try uninstalling it and any other Windows C/C++ crap you have

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:26 AM

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And at the same time, it shows this too

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:26 AM

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yeah, I think you got a conflict somewhere

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I would wipe all the extensions and reinstall

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:27 AM

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vernal yoke And at the same time, it shows this too

Hm

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I disabled for the workspace...

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:28 AM

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what is that little cloud with an arrow in it?

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sync?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:29 AM

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Update probably

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Wait no

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:29 AM

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hover over it, what does it do?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:29 AM

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"Install Local Extensions in 'Remote'" Oh

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:29 AM

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LOL

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:29 AM

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Oh wait

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:29 AM

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yeah, you need to do that

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:29 AM

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It just shows everything else

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:30 AM

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hmm

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so, to confirm, do you have a C/C++ toolchain installed in Windows?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:30 AM

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I think the thing is just slow

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:30 AM

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fading hare so, to confirm, do you have a C/C++ toolchain installed in Windows?

I do have Visual Studio

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:30 AM

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It's been whip-fast for me in the past.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:30 AM

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vernal yoke I do have Visual Studio

And I don't think I wanna uninstall that...

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Well

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:30 AM

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Why not? 😁

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:31 AM

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fading hare Why not? 😁

For compiling stuff

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:31 AM

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Set it on fire and walk away.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:31 AM

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Not the IDE itself

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:31 AM

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cmake

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:31 AM

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Also Node.js uses VS2017 Build Tools

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:31 AM

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or Visual Studio Command Line tools

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so uninstall VS and keep the build tools

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:31 AM

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Ooookay then

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:31 AM

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why are you running node in windows and not in the WSL2?!

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Like... What even....

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:31 AM

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fading hare Set it on fire and walk away.

You seem biased

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:32 AM

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I am opinionated. There's a slight difference.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:32 AM

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Hm

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:32 AM

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fading hare why are you running node in windows and not in the WSL2?!

.........

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:32 AM

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😄

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work smart, not hard 😄

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:32 AM

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Yeah

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I am working smarter by not using Node.js on WSL2

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:33 AM

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why?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:33 AM

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What advantage do I get from using Node.js on WSL2?

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I mean, I have it installed on WSL2 there too

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:33 AM

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Because you wouldn't have to maintain another C/C++ toolchain in Windows.

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For NO RAISIN.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:33 AM

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fading hare Because you wouldn't have to maintain another C/C++ toolchain in Windows.

...what if I'm trying to compile .exes

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:34 AM

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You can do that on Linux.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:34 AM

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Please don't say MINGW-W64

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:35 AM

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fading hare Because you wouldn't have to maintain another C/C++ toolchain in Windows.

And not every single Node.js module uses node-gyp

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:35 AM

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no, not MINGW

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:35 AM

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And some of the modules that do use native C/C++ might have precompiled binaries

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:37 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:37 AM

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You seem to dislike programming in a Windows environment

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:37 AM

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Yeah. I do. For very good reasons.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:37 AM

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Either way, I doubt a C/C++ toolchain on the host is interfering, because...

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:38 AM

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I'd much rather run a Linux desktop and a Windows VM than the other way around.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:38 AM

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vernal yoke Either way, I doubt a C/C++ toolchain on the host is interfering, because...

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:38 AM

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I can pop open my VM and run Illustrator or whatever when I need to.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:38 AM

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vernal yoke

cpptools cpptools-srv

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:39 AM

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sort by CPU usage

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:39 AM

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Not gonna question why it's using node -e

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Oka

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y

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:39 AM

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fading hare sort by CPU usage

Wait

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Those are all I can see

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sudo top same thing

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:39 AM

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uh... maybe try a ps aux?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:40 AM

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:40 AM

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it's the VS Code that's running the node server

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:40 AM

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Yeah?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:40 AM

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I suspected as much.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:40 AM

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fading hare it's the VS Code that's running the node server

Did you expect otherwise?

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VS Code's made in Electron after all ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I don't suppose it would run entirely in Basj

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Bash

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:41 AM

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it's [VS Code] not even running inside of the WSL2 environment

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all it's doing is running a SERVER in WSL2

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which, coincidentally is written in Node

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it's basically an interoperability layer

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:42 AM

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fading hare it's [VS Code] not even running inside of the WSL2 environment

What do you mean?

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The VS Code GUI is running on the host

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:42 AM

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VS Code isn't running inside your WSL2 environment.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:42 AM

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The IntelliSense and such are running inside WSL2

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:42 AM

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vernal yoke

Hence the cpptools and cpptools-srv

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:43 AM

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Through the Node server.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:43 AM

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fading hare Through the Node server.

If you're implying Node.js is the source of slowdown, then I'll have trouble taking you seriously

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:43 AM

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You're not listening anyway.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:43 AM

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Because VS Code itself runs with Node.js so...

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:43 AM

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VS Code runs with JavaScript. Inside Electron.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:44 AM

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fading hare VS Code runs with JavaScript. Inside Electron.

Yes

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:44 AM

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But, it's not Node.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:44 AM

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..........

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:44 AM

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It has Node components, sure.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:44 AM

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.....

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:45 AM

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fading hare It has Node components, sure.

.....wait....

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:45 AM

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it embeds Node.js

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but it isn't Node.js

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it also embeds Chromium, but that doesn't make it a web browser

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:46 AM

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fading hare it embeds Node.js

Yeah

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:46 AM

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fading hare it also embeds Chromium, but that doesn't make it a web browser

Except it sure acts like one

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:46 AM

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I get it, you are speechless. You can quit spamming the dots.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:47 AM

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So yes, Node is running as a server

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That's not exceptional

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:48 AM

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So, back to your process tree and the node processes there... They are not your VS Code. That is running inside Windows. All that is running inside your WSL2 instance is the interoperability layer (a node server) between WSL2 userspace and Windows.

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But anyway. I wasn't implying that that was the slowdown. Only that you did not understand.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:48 AM

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fading hare So, back to your process tree and the node processes there... They are not your ...

The VS Code client is running in Windows...

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The GUI...

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:49 AM

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fading hare But anyway. I wasn't implying that that was the slowdown. Only that you did not ...

Oh okay

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:49 AM

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Which is Node and Chromium inside Electron.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:49 AM

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Yes

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:49 AM

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In Windows.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:49 AM

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On Windows

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Nothing abnormal

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:49 AM

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The only thing abnormal here is that we seem to be having two different conversations.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:50 AM

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I doubt fully running VS Code in WSL2 would make anything better

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:50 AM

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No. It definitely would not.

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And you keep putting words in my mouth.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:50 AM

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No, I'm trying to rule out what conclusions you could be making

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And now I have no idea what your point is

fair summit Jan 29, 2022, 2:54 AM

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Let's all take some deep breaths here.

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:54 AM

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So, let's skip all that. And let's go back to basics. When you run this:

wsl -l -v

what version does it show?

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(from PowerShell or cmd)

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:55 AM

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fading hare So, let's skip all that. And let's go back to basics. When you run this: ```sh w...

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Using the Ubuntu one

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:55 AM

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what's the difference between the two ubuntu containers?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:55 AM

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Without the version I mean

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:56 AM

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fading hare what's the difference between the two ubuntu containers?

I'm using one for CircuitPython, and the other is for other stuff

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I think they're both on 20.04

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:56 AM

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and the one you are in now is the one for CircuitPython?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:56 AM

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Yes

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:57 AM

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Are you running a virtualenv of some type in the WSL?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:57 AM

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:57 AM

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Or are things installed system-wide?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:57 AM

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fading hare Are you running a virtualenv of some type in the WSL?

I avoid pip and Python...stuff as much as possible

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:57 AM

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for Python I mean

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:58 AM

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fading hare Or are things installed system-wide?

System-wide

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:58 AM

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Hmm. That could be a problem.

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I would recommend trying a virtualenv just to see if that speeds anything up.

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And only install the packages that the app uses.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:58 AM

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The only things I've done to this instance:

Upgraded everything.
Installed Node.js and Yarn
Installed the dependencies for building CircuitPython

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I think that's it

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:59 AM

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vernal yoke The only things I've done to this instance: 1. Upgraded everything. 2. Installed...

Oh, and cloning + building CP

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:59 AM

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OK. But, did you install circuitpython-stubs with pip for instance?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 2:59 AM

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fading hare OK. But, did you install `circuitpython-stubs` with `pip` for instance?

I just followed the guide

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 2:59 AM

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Which guide?

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Link it please.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:00 AM

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This one

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https://learn.adafruit.com/building-circuitpython

Adafruit Learning System

Building CircuitPython

How to build CircuitPython yourself on different platforms

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:00 AM

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We're going to get you a fast IntelliSense!

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:00 AM

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I did the Linux Setup

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Hm

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wait

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:02 AM

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OK, so where is the IntelliSense slow? What context are we talking about? Is it when editing CP source, or while hacking on a CircuitPython app for a device?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:02 AM

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A C file I made in the CircuitPython tree

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:02 AM

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hmm

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:02 AM

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extmod/modmonocypher.c

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:02 AM

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Wait, are you on a Mac?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:03 AM

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What

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No

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It was just on top

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It was blank

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:03 AM

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Yeah, I was just like thinking it was showing ARM because you had an M1 or something odd.

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Can you force it to use a different gcc?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:04 AM

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vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:04 AM

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fading hare Can you force it to use a different gcc?

???

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Enabling this

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:04 AM

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vernal yoke Enabling this

Just as slow

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Oh wait

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It's for #include errors

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:05 AM

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So, you're running Linux inside Windows. And, what CPU architecture do you have?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:05 AM

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vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:05 AM

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fading hare So, you're running Linux inside Windows. And, what CPU architecture do you have?

x86-64

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Intel Core i7, 8th Gen

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:05 AM

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yeah, so you are not ARM

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which would then need to be emulated, right?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:05 AM

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fading hare yeah, so you are not ARM

I'm not that much of a maniac

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:05 AM

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hahaha

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:06 AM

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fading hare which would then need to be emulated, right?

Emulate what?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:06 AM

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ARM. It's a completely different architecture.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:06 AM

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arm64 I think refers to the target arch

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:06 AM

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fading hare ARM. It's a completely different architecture.

I'm not that stupid either

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:06 AM

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I know, I'm just saying. What if running the arm gcc is messing it up?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:06 AM

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vernal yoke `arm64` I think refers to the target arch

On account of this

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:07 AM

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Can you switch it to x86-64 or similar?

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for IntelliSense

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not for the compiler obviously

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:07 AM

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Setting this to 16384

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:07 AM

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that shouldn't have any impact

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:07 AM

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Yeah

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It doesn't

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Still, worth a shot

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:08 AM

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but, can you change linux-gcc-arm to something else? Something that is not ARM?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:08 AM

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Okay

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:08 AM

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I'm just thinking... you're running an emulator inside an emulator.

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https://tenor.com/view/rdj-robert-downey-jr-kirk-lazarus-tropic-thunder-meme-gif-16185481

Tenor

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:09 AM

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vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:09 AM

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fading hare I'm just thinking... you're running an emulator inside an emulator.

Compilers are emulators now?

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Also no difference

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:09 AM

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Yeah, because it overrode it. Hmm.

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:10 AM

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vernal yoke Compilers are emulators now?

You can't run ARM inside Windows. Or Linux. Unless you have an ARM CPU. Otherwise it will use an emulator.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:10 AM

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fading hare You can't run ARM inside Windows. Or Linux. Unless you have an ARM CPU. Otherwis...

Who said anything about running ARM?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:10 AM

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Your IntelliSense keeps switching to the arm binaries.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:11 AM

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The ARM...GCC binaries?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:11 AM

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yes

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:11 AM

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arm-none-eabi-gcc?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:11 AM

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so, in the screenshot it keeps switching to the arm version

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from x64 and whatever

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:11 AM

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vernal yoke `arm-none-eabi-gcc`?

Are you assuming this binary is ARM?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:12 AM

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no, it's not ARM

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:12 AM

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Well, the GCC binary isn't ARM, and compilers are obviously not emulators

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:13 AM

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Yup. Correct.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:13 AM

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fading hare Yup. Correct.

So why would anything be running ARM code?

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Besides, switching the arch did nothing

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:13 AM

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Let me ask you something. If you completely wipe your drive, install Arch Linux, and the same tool chain for building CircuitPython, do you think it will be slow?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:14 AM

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fading hare Let me ask you something. If you completely wipe your drive, install Arch Linux,...

I think so

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Well, it'll be slightly faster

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:14 AM

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Ha. Yeah, no. It won't be.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:14 AM

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vernal yoke Well, it'll be slightly faster

Because no VM

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:14 AM

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fading hare Let me ask you something. If you completely wipe your drive, install Arch Linux,...

btw i dont use arch

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🚎

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:14 AM

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You should.

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But, let's get back to Windows.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:15 AM

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I'll stick to Debian-based distros whenever I need them

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:15 AM

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vernal yoke I'll stick to Debian-based distros whenever I need them

I like apt :D

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:16 AM

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Apt used to be the worst. That's the whole reason why apt-get came to be. Then they fixed apt, and now it's awesome.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:16 AM

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vernal yoke I like `apt` \:D

And would rather not use fdisk and whatever

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:16 AM

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fdisk? What are you on about?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:16 AM

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Never mind

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For some reason I thought I had to partition the disk myself

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:17 AM

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Hey, take Manjaro KDE for a spin one day. It's pretty sweet.

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(it's an Arch-based distro)

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:17 AM

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fading hare Apt used to be the worst. That's the whole reason why apt-get came to be. Then t...

Well, I don't think Arch Linux would have apt repositories

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:17 AM

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vernal yoke Well, I don't think Arch Linux would have apt repositories

it kind of does, sort of, kinda... through AUR

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:17 AM

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fading hare (it's an Arch-based distro)

Really? I heard Manjaro a few times in passing

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:18 AM

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fading hare it kind of does, sort of, kinda... through AUR

AUR will basically yank the juicy bits out of a .deb file and bake them into a delicious Arch pie

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:18 AM

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I assumed it was Debian or Ubuntu based

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:18 AM

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nope, it's arch

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so you'll use pacman or pamac

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or the other one, with a y in it

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whatever its name is

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:18 AM

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fading hare or the other one, with a y in it

yum?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:19 AM

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no, that's Redhat

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:19 AM

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vernal yoke I assumed it was Debian or Ubuntu based

I had this assumption most of the popular desktop distros were based on Debian or Ubuntu

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:20 AM

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So. Back when I first started using Linux, KDE was the absolute worst. It was slow. It was ugly. It was "for kids" and "education." I mean, I guess it still is. But, I guess the people that wrote it just assumed that kids didn't have a say in the matter so the GUI was atrocious.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:20 AM

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It was for...kids?

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???

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:21 AM

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KDE is specifically built for education, yes

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Now though... KDE is freakin' shiny.

blissful roost Jan 29, 2022, 3:21 AM

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I got my first glimpse of Linux with Red hat 6, back in.. 2000?

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Wasn't a good experience.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:21 AM

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fading hare KDE is specifically built for education, yes

I can't think of a single time where someone might actually use Linux over Windows for education, simply because of popularity

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:21 AM

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I started out with Slackware.

raw jasper Jan 29, 2022, 3:22 AM

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I really liked KDE3's UI back in the day

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:22 AM

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vernal yoke I can't think of a single time where someone might actually use Linux over Windo...

Because it's free. And because you live in a poverty-stricken region where Windows isn't even available because of export embargos?

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KDE Plasma is the best.

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But, KDE before then... Ick.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:23 AM

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vernal yoke I can't think of a single time where someone might actually use Linux over Windo...

MS-DOS, Windows 1.0-3.1 on DOS, Windows 9x, Windows 2000, Windows ME, XP, Vista, 7...

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:23 AM

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fading hare Because it's free. And because you live in a poverty-stricken region where Windo...

Hm

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:23 AM

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vernal yoke MS-DOS, Windows 1.0-3.1 on DOS, Windows 9x, Windows 2000, Windows ME, XP, Vista,...

Just saying, I find it hard to imagine a large userbase using Linux...for education of all things

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:24 AM

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vernal yoke Just saying, I find it hard to imagine a large userbase using Linux...for educat...

It's pretty large.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:24 AM

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When I think of "education"...

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:25 AM

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Anyway. Modern KDE is like the butterfly that crawled out of the sticky, oozing chrysalis that was the late 90's.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:25 AM

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I think Windows for Education or whatever the edition is

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Macbooks

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(or regular Macs)

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Or Chromebooks

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:25 AM

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fading hare Anyway. Modern KDE is like the butterfly that crawled out of the sticky, oozing ...

Hm

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:25 AM

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You think they can afford MacBooks in Rwanda?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:25 AM

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In...where?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:25 AM

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Or Zimbabwe?

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In Africa.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:25 AM

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Yeah

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:26 AM

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fading hare You think they can afford MacBooks in Rwanda?

I figured

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:26 AM

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They can't. Obviously. So, they use ChromeBooks, or laptops specifically built to run Linux.

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Because Linux will run on anything. Windows requires a bunch of resources, and costs money.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:26 AM

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vernal yoke I figured

But I don't exactly imagine them using computers for education

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Well, not that

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:26 AM

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They do use computers.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:26 AM

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Rather, I don't imagine them at all

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:27 AM

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vernal yoke Rather, I don't imagine them at all

Might wanna try it. 🙂

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:27 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:28 AM

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fading hare They can't. Obviously. So, they use ChromeBooks, or laptops specifically built t...

Next thing I know, you'll be telling me children in Africa have to suffer through GoGuardian filtering on ChromeOS

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:28 AM

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Anyway. So, I am curious. Do you have VirtualBox on your Windows machine?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:28 AM

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Yes, of course

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In fact, I usually have WSL2 disabled so VBox would run faster

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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If you install Ubuntu 20.04 on it, with VS Code and the tool chain for CircuitPython, does it make a difference?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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If WSL2 (I mean, the hypervisor thing) is enabled, then VBox uses some stupid Hyper-V nonsense

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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fading hare If you install Ubuntu 20.04 on it, with VS Code and the tool chain for CircuitPy...

It shouldn't, theoretically...

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I'll try that

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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vernal yoke If WSL2 (I mean, the hypervisor thing) is enabled, then VBox uses some stupid Hy...

they collide

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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Yeah

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Of course

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:29 AM

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you know what's even weirder... WSL2 would interfere with games.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:30 AM

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Lol

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:30 AM

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It would legit crash Destiny 2.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:30 AM

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I can't imagine games utilizing VT-X

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:30 AM

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I had to stop using WSL2 on my gaming rig because it just wouldn't play nice.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:30 AM

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fading hare It would legit crash Destiny 2.

It used to crash/mess up VBox stuff, but now it just runs a little slower

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But games

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How

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:30 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I dunno. Hahaha! I uninstalled it and Destiny 2 was solid as a rock again.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:31 AM

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fading hare It would legit crash Destiny 2.

Does that use some kernel-level nonsense?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:31 AM

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fading hare I dunno. Hahaha! I uninstalled it and Destiny 2 was solid as a rock again.

Haha, I don't uninstall it

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I usually do bcdedit /set hypervisorlaunchtype:off

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I think that's the command

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:31 AM

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Probably piggy-backed on some kind of virtualization acceleration or something, and collided with WSL2

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:31 AM

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fading hare But, KDE before then... Ick.

Keramik is still probably my favorite look n feel

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:32 AM

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fading hare Probably piggy-backed on some kind of virtualization acceleration or something, ...

But why would it need virtualization?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:32 AM

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wooden schooner Keramik is still probably my favorite look n feel

I don't think I have seen that one

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:32 AM

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default theme in KDE 3

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:32 AM

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vernal yoke But why would it need virtualization?

who knows, I don't know... I am just speculating

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:32 AM

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vernal yoke But why would it need virtualization?

JIT-compilation is a thing, and it doesn't use VT-X

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:33 AM

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wooden schooner default theme in KDE 3

see, that's way too busy and has too much flair and swoosh and crap I don't need in an interface... you seen Plasma? It's bare. Stripped to the bones. Nothing but what you need.

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Then on top of that, amazing animations that run butter-smooth in ~~160~~165 Hz (at least on this gaming monitor)

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Actually, I think I dropped it to 120 Hz because something was weird about 165 Hz.

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:34 AM

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fading hare see, that's way too busy and has too much flair and swoosh and crap I don't need...

flair and swoosh? I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:35 AM

#

#

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:35 AM

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fading hare

Ew that taskbar is cramped

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:36 AM

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it's got a bunch of details and shading and rounded corners and other crap that just distracts from actually doing things

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:36 AM

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It's a weird mix of 9x and Vista/7

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:36 AM

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yeah

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it's hideous to me

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:36 AM

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the transparency is not canon afaik

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:36 AM

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vernal yoke It's a weird mix of 9x and Vista/7

I would prefer either over that KDE one

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:36 AM

#

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Meanwhile, KDE Plasma.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:36 AM

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wooden schooner the transparency is not canon afaik

Transparency aside, the taskbar is fat, the icons have little spacing between them, and parts of the UI are square while others are rounded

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:37 AM

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k thanks for the criticisms please direct them elsewhere

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:37 AM

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I'm gonna do it in a Linux Mint VM if that's fine with you

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:37 AM

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(sorry if the Gruvbox bothers you, I am super light sensitive)

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:37 AM

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I'm allowed to like a theme thanks

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:37 AM

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totally

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I never said you couldn't like it... I merely explained why I did not like it

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:37 AM

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wooden schooner I'm allowed to like a theme thanks

Sure, but those are the things that bother me

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:38 AM

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me saying I don't like something is not the same thing as me saying that you can't like it

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and, I get why you like it

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it's just way too busy for my brain

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then again, I get ocular migraines just walking down a grocery store isle because of sensory overload from all the different product labels

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so, my opinions are a bit skewed due to those factors

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Here's a shot showing off more of the UI

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:47 AM

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that is quite neat

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I've also been appreciating gruvbox lately

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:48 AM

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like, that's what KDE looks like today... it blew my mind

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:48 AM

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I will say I'm still sort of a sucker for animated pinstripe progress bars

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:48 AM

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old-timey Mac UI

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Right?

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:48 AM

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yeah, the barber shop

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:49 AM

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wasn't that the "indefinite" progress indicator?

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:49 AM

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never used mac, but got kde themes with it

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:49 AM

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fading hare wasn't that the "indefinite" progress indicator?

oh, maybe

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:49 AM

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it was basically what it showed when it couldn't give an estimate

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:49 AM

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Dang it

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:49 AM

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I don't know mac. With the kde themes, it was truly a progress bar and the percentage was printed right on it

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:49 AM

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aah

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:50 AM

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vernal yoke Dang it

if your computer is slow, maybe clean your drive?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:50 AM

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fading hare if your computer is slow, maybe clean your drive?

Just deleted the...uh...well....

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:50 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24vYoso8Af0

YouTube

Kirby Ferguson

I Love Progress Bars

When can I go on to the next experience and then wait for that to end? A far-reaching treatise on progress bars and spinning stuff.

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:50 AM

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vernal yoke Just deleted the...uh...well....

Visual Studio?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:50 AM

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Wait, seriously?

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I deleted the f-ing Monero blockchain from my computer

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:51 AM

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Hahahaha

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Maybe empty trash?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:51 AM

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Hm

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:51 AM

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gotta love WinSxS

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:51 AM

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keeping a whole blockchain on your personal computer is generally not advisable

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:52 AM

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F-ing

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I meant to Shift+Del

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:52 AM

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@wooden schooner lemme see if I can get you some video of the window animations, they are absolutely amazing

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:52 AM

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Actually, all of them can go

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Yay

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:53 AM

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I did salivate at the compiz wobbly windows that were crashing everyone's desktops back in the day

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:53 AM

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oh, they don't crash on my rig

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they look so amazing

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one sec

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:54 AM

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wooden schooner I did salivate at the compiz wobbly windows that were crashing everyone's deskto...

The what

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 3:54 AM

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oh they're dope, let's see if torgny can get us a video

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200% form, -100% function

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 3:54 AM

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That's a 100% total right there!

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😜

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 3:59 AM

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aieee

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maybe not

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hopefully you have a player that can run Matroska files

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:00 AM

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You need Nitr0 :P

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Or maybe ffmpeg

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Yeah you have Nitr0

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:00 AM

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oh yeah

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:00 AM

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Nitr0 scams are stupid

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:00 AM

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I think I am boosting this server too?

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lemme see if I can convert it

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 4:01 AM

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How does one change their name for just a server?

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I want to add pronouns here

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:01 AM

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right click your name and then select profile

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:01 AM

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lusty fossil How does one change their name for just a server?

/nick <name>

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Or right-click, and Change Nickname

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 4:01 AM

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In chat?

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I'm on mobile

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:02 AM

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Not on Mobile

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:02 AM

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long press, maybe?

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 4:02 AM

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Here it is

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:02 AM

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Also it would be here if you could change your nick

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 4:02 AM

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:02 AM

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yup

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:02 AM

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lusty fossil

Oh wait

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Edit Server Profile

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 4:03 AM

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Software gore. I can't go to the end of my name

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Can't move the cursor

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:03 AM

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lusty fossil Software gore. I can't go to the end of my name

Uh...

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That's just a placeholder

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 4:03 AM

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Just retyped it

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Ohhh

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That's annoying and unclear

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:04 AM

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It makes more sense on desktop

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lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 4:04 AM

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It would have to, didn't make a ton on mobile

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:05 AM

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lusty fossil

Yeah, they have to darken the placeholder color

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:05 AM

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vernal yoke

So it blends in more, like this

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The converted one

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@fading hare That looks amazing

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:09 AM

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😄

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anyway... I really like what KDE has been doing with Plasma

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 4:10 AM

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there was some kind of animation where you could peel back the corner of a maximized window or something

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:10 AM

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yeah, there's a bunch, but I don't know if I have it activated

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 4:10 AM

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the goal is to make windows as similar to Jell-O as possible

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:10 AM

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hahahah

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YESSSSS

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:11 AM

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wooden schooner the goal is to make windows as similar to Jell-O as possible

Well, then you would need a blur effect and a somewhat transparent color gradient background on top of the window

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When you move the window of course

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:12 AM

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Ok. Nick changed.

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I mean, yeah, you can add transparency, and all kinds of shenanigans.

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 4:17 AM

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I kind of forgot Boba Fett but now that I've remembered, I'm enjoying the episodes I missed

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||blasting those Nikto bikers was sweet||

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:21 AM

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Doing this right now

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 4:22 AM

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||and the Sarlacc scene||

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:22 AM

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vernal yoke Doing this right now

Next thing I'm installing is Node.js from Nodesource and Yarn Classic

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(which I did with my CircuitPython WSL2, despite it being only for CP)

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:24 AM

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@vernal yoke @wooden schooner

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sorry other Ben for mention 😦

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:24 AM

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fading hare <@!670766281246638080> <@!779893951285035018>

Is Magic Lamp the MacOS minimize animation?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:24 AM

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yeah

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was that sufficiently Jell-O?

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™️

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:25 AM

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fading hare was that sufficiently Jell-O?

It acts like Jell-O, but it needs to look like Jell-O

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The color I mean

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:25 AM

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man... I gotta turn that all down

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:26 AM

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vernal yoke The color I mean

And a blur

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But that is sufficiently Jell-O™️

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:27 AM

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I'm going to keep the translucency, it's nice.

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there's also some nice workspace switching animations

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but, I switched to a quicker cross-fade one because... my eyes

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:29 AM

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Makes sense

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:30 AM

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anyway, that was kind of fun

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I have accomplished maximum server customization.

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Also, that background is me. Circa 1993. Don't ask why I was bullied.

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Also, note those shock-pink joysticks. A little cyber. Always a punk.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:49 AM

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fading hare Also, note those shock-pink joysticks. A little cyber. Always a punk.

Ah, can't see them

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More stuff

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Doing this too

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:54 AM

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vernal yoke Ah, can't see them

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Bro. Do you even Amiga 500?

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Check out that massive CRT.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:55 AM

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fading hare Bro. Do you even Amiga 500?

I was born in 2008, my first console was a Wii

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You're talking pre-Nintendo

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Well, before the NES

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Or maybe Game and Watch>

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?

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 4:56 AM

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fading hare

You look like a stereotypical nerd all right

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 4:57 AM

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I was born in 1975. I touched my first computer in 1980. A VIC-20. I have never been the same.

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I wrote a long thing about how the people that used to bully me for being interested in computers, graphic novels, chess, and Dungeons & Dragons still work at the glue factory in rural Sweden...

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But, the bot yoinked it. I don't even know what I wrote that could have been construed as offensive.

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So, when you call me a nerd I still get triggered.

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But I guess I have earned that moniker, and then some.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:03 AM

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fading hare I wrote a long thing about how the people that used to bully me for being intere...

Hahahahaha they deserve that

crystal ore Jan 29, 2022, 5:03 AM

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Yay for VIC-20... 😁

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:03 AM

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fading hare So, when you call me a nerd I still get triggered.

I said "stereotypical" for a reason :P

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:06 AM

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vernal yoke Hahahahaha they deserve that

I saw one of them in 2018. One of my bullies. He was walking down the street with a baby stroller with two kids in tow. I pulled up and asked for some pretty obvious directions to somewhere, in perfect American English. He did a double-take, but I acted as if I had no idea who he was. It was grand.

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I was also driving a high-end rented BMW.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:08 AM

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Amazing

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:11 AM

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But, it was great coming back to Sweden after such a long time in the US. Surprisingly, the warmest, and most amazing welcome I got was from a girl (now woman) that I once dated briefly in my previous dork life. I walked into the local grocery store in my home village. As I was checking out I noticed that she was the cashier, still looking pretty much the same (fantastic). She recognized me immediately. Gave me a big hug and said hi. I told her not to tell anyone I was home. I waved goodbye and walked out with my toothpaste.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:11 AM

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That's pretty good

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:11 AM

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I ghosted my entire hometown, and it felt liberating.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:11 AM

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vernal yoke That's pretty good

For a welcome

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That's a pretty good welcome

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:12 AM

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fading hare I ghosted my entire hometown, and it felt liberating.

Yeah, years of history left behind I guess

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:12 AM

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Yeah, her face just lit up like a sun when she recognized me.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:13 AM

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nvm.toml...does this have anything to do with Node Version Manager, I wonder...

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:13 AM

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vernal yoke `nvm.toml`...does this have anything to do with Node Version Manager, I wonder.....

Nope, Adafruit thing

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:14 AM

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I've gotten a bit chunky and wobbly in places, but she basically dropped everything and ran around the conveyor belt and hugged me. At first I felt slightly awkward. And then I remembered, there are still amazing people on this planet. It was kind of surreal. I was jet-lagged and on my way with my family to my mom's house. She was so happy to see me. It was humbling.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:15 AM

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there are still amazing people on this planet
Clearly so

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:15 AM

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And that's basically the only person I saw other than the bully when I was there in 2018. Well. He wasn't really "the bully" as much as the freckled side-kick of the bully.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:16 AM

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Still, a success in my opinion

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A successful...prank maybe?

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 5:18 AM

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fading hare was that sufficiently Jell-O?

you have summarized multiple afternoons of my life

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:19 AM

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Hm, this built, but can't test my code

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My code

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 5:19 AM

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there was also an available animation where the window would go up in flames when you closed it, iirc

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:19 AM

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Cool

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 5:27 AM

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fading hare I've gotten a bit chunky and wobbly in places, but she basically dropped everyth...

this is so sweet and human, thank you for sharing

hasty wedge Jan 29, 2022, 5:37 AM

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vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:37 AM

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@fading hare I can confirm that VS Code on my Linux Mint VM takes 3 seconds to show a redline after I remove a semicolon

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on an extmod/ file

hasty wedge Jan 29, 2022, 5:38 AM

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resurrected my ender 3 pro

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ksrparty

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:38 AM

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:38 AM

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hasty wedge resurrected my ender 3 pro

would you look at that!

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:38 AM

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vernal yoke <@!438791522285256715> I can confirm that VS Code on my Linux Mint VM takes 3 se...

wow, that's bad

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what are your BIOS settings? Do you have all the virtualization acceleration stuff turned on?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:39 AM

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vernal yoke

Maybe IntelliG...I mean CLion might do better

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:39 AM

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fading hare what are your BIOS settings? Do you have all the virtualization acceleration stu...

Uh, yeah, how do you think I'm running WSL2

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The thing is

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If I have WSL2 on, well...

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:39 AM

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yeah...

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:39 AM

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It has that stupid green V icon

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:40 AM

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yeah

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:40 AM

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Instead of the blue chip

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:40 AM

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that's not good

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so, that could be it for the VM

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:40 AM

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fading hare that's not good

But here's the thing

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When I add/remove the semicolon

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The Git diff color thing

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It changes instantly

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:41 AM

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yeah, because it's just file-based... it's just a file watch, basically

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:41 AM

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The yellow after 57, changes in about a tenth of a second

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Or maybe half a second

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That Git diff thingy

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Diff thingy

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:41 AM

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I know what you're talking about

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:43 AM

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fading hare I know what you're talking about

So I think it's some C/C++ IntelliSense thing

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Also I wish this thing would shut up about the QSTRs

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:49 AM

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Alright. This may be too much effort... But, at this point... what I would do is uninstall all the Windows C/C++ tool chains and double-triple-ultra-check all my BIOS settings and WSL2 installation. Then I would uninstall VS Code from Windows. Set up a clean WSL2 instance. Install VS Code. Start VS Code from Windows start menu. Install this specific extension pack: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-vscode-remote.vscode-remote-extensionpack

Remote Development - Visual Studio Marketplace

Extension for Visual Studio Code - An extension pack that lets you open any folder in a container, on a remote machine, or in WSL and take advantage of VS Code's full feature set.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:49 AM

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fading hare Alright. This may be too much effort... But, at this point... what I would do is...

My BIOS settings are correct

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In fact, I can't even get into the BIOS

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:49 AM

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OK, then the next steps

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wait, what?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:49 AM

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vernal yoke In fact, I can't even get into the BIOS

I have no idea how, but there's some stupid password on it, and it wasn't my parents

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I think that got reset

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Either way, VT-X was enabled for sure

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Is

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Because I used VBox after that

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:51 AM

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fading hare Alright. This may be too much effort... But, at this point... what I would do is...

Uh...I don't think you get it....

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I think the C IntelliSense is just slow in general

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For CP at least

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:51 AM

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No, it isn't.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:51 AM

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Because it works on my Linux VM, and not that slow

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VS Code that i

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s

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And generally using Linux

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:52 AM

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Yeah, I've had no issues with IntelliSense either in Windows or in Linux. Both with C/C++ and Python.

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It's basically sub-second responses, all the time.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:52 AM

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fading hare Yeah, I've had no issues with IntelliSense either in Windows or in Linux. Both w...

But have you tried CircuitPython's code?

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Removing a semicolon that is

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Making changes

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:53 AM

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Alright, let me try it now.

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Which branch/tag did you check out?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:53 AM

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Uh, 7.1.x

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I checked out 7.1.x, not main (I'm dumb)

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The "/tag" messed me up a little since I was trying to checkout a specific tag for something else today

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 5:55 AM

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so I shouldn't check that out?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:55 AM

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I meant, git checkout 7.1.x

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and I'm stupid

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That's all I meant

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Also pleeeeasseeeee say I should use C macros here

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 5:56 AM

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vernal yoke Also pleeeeasseeeee say I should use C macros here

The repetitive-ness is annoying me

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:00 AM

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trying this now on my workstation

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:02 AM

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Okay

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:04 AM

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don't know what it's downloading... but... I wish it would have used --depth=1 😄

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:05 AM

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fading hare don't know what it's downloading... but... I wish it would have used `--depth=1`...

Did you do make fetch_submodules?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:05 AM

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yeah

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:05 AM

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Oh

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:06 AM

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Going to go out on a limb here, I am pretty sure that with this many source files, IntelliSense might choke. But, let's try it first, hm?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:06 AM

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Yeah

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:08 AM

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it just downloaded 13 GB of sources

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for one repo

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hahhahaha

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:09 AM

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Wait what

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Dang it, I tried explorer.exe ../../, then I realized this was the WSL filesystem

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:10 AM

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which port are you using?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:10 AM

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I was doing raspberrypi, with the board raspberry_pi_pico

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Hot (dang)

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1.7 GB

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:11 AM

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fading hare it just downloaded 13 GB of sources

Did you do git submodule init manually?

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You weren't supposed to do that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:12 AM

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Oh, I totally did. Because that's what the docs told me to do.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:12 AM

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fading hare Oh, I totally did. Because that's what the docs told me to do.

huh

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:12 AM

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git submodule update --init

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but, I am going off of the README file

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:13 AM

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fading hare but, I am going off of the README file

Uhhhh

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fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:13 AM

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OK, so now that I have built that board, then what?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:13 AM

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I opened the repo using code .

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:13 AM

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I am in code.

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:13 AM

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Then you can navigate to extmod/uasyncio.c, for example

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Change the #if MICROPY_PY_... to #if 1

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Wait like 15 seconds

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For it to highlight it properly

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Once it does that, remove a semicolon

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:15 AM

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which if statement am I changing?

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#if MICROPY_PY_UASYNCIO ???

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:16 AM

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fading hare `#if MICROPY_PY_UASYNCIO` ???

Yes

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:16 AM

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so, why are you changing it to 1 instead of defining it at the env level?

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:16 AM

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fading hare so, why are you changing it to 1 instead of defining it at the env level?

Because this

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It's faded and IntelliSense does nothing with them

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:17 AM

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uh

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so there's a bunch of places where the code checks for MICROPY_PY_UASYNCIO.

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So, you'd have to change all of them... Or, just, you know... -DMICROPY_PY_UASYNCIO=1

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:18 AM

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fading hare so there's a bunch of places where the code checks for `MICROPY_PY_UASYNCIO`.

No, I mean, just to test

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:18 AM

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but it's a broken, flawed, dumb test

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:18 AM

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It's to test IntelliSense, not the compiler...

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:18 AM

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vernal yoke Because this

So it does this

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:18 AM

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YO

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:19 AM

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Yeah?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:19 AM

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lemme test it now, then

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:19 AM

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fading hare YO

?

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:19 AM

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and then we're going to test defining it as an env

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:19 AM

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fading hare YO

Is that "You're on?"

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:19 AM

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because, I think you are breaking it on purpose, and that's why your IntelliSense literally craps the bed

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:19 AM

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fading hare So, you'd have to change all of them... Or, just, you know... `-DMICROPY_PY_UASY...

Uh...where...

vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:20 AM

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fading hare because, I think you are breaking it on purpose, and that's why your IntelliSens...

Also, I tested this on my own file

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:20 AM

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vernal yoke Jan 29, 2022, 6:20 AM

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Gotta go, bye

fading hare Jan 29, 2022, 6:23 AM

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bye

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sighs...

dusk oracle Jan 29, 2022, 9:39 AM

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that dog turned my wrist into a human chew toy.
my fingers have movement

static flare Jan 29, 2022, 1:04 PM

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I found a whole host of my tech stuff I wanted to find!

lapis bluff Jan 29, 2022, 1:12 PM

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I had a similar reveal yesterday, although not electronic related, so really off topic. I had finally given up on finding the diesel treatment, so I was just going to get some when I bought the next can of fuel. But don't you know when I got to the gas station to load up the can of diesel fuel and took the canister out of the car. There the bottle of treatment was under the diesel container. Why would I have ever put it there? 🙂

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 5:09 PM

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Woke up early and my dog isn't giving me any grace period to take her out. I'm gathering clothes for a wash and I'm inundated with chuffs and sideeye

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 6:05 PM

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Buying a car these days is a lot of work

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 6:08 PM

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Oof I bet

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And you basically have to overpay, no?

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 6:12 PM

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Thankfully this dealer doesn’t charge so much over msrp

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 6:15 PM

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What are you looking for?

static flare Jan 29, 2022, 6:16 PM

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A car, one presumes

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 6:21 PM

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Dang, good callout, I was thinking zebra.

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 6:22 PM

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lusty fossil What are you looking for?

A Subaru Ascent

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Have to buy new because I still owe more than my cad is worth

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 6:23 PM

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Oof

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I'm almost done paying off my loan

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 6:25 PM

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But I need a bigger car because the back of my current car is too small for three kids seats

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 6:25 PM

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Yeah that'll do it

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 6:25 PM

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We tried yesterday with newer smaller seats for my two kids anddddd yeah

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So need a new one before number 3 arrives end of February

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 6:29 PM

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Congrats!

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My mom and stepdad got Volvo station wagons so that when one of them needed to fit all 4 of us, they could use the trunk seats

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Had a lot of nauseating rides in the back

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 6:35 PM

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lol mercury sable wagon was that way

gloomy blaze Jan 29, 2022, 8:13 PM

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Hi there

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how are you ?

stoic mesa Jan 29, 2022, 8:41 PM

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We had a minivan for ferrying around our 3 kids.

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nowadays it seems no one uses minivans - everyone switched to SUVs

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 8:44 PM

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My dad got a minivan for "hauling wood"

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I to this day do not understand why he didn't get a truck. I can still feel the splinters

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It was just me, he could have had me in the front seat?

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 9:22 PM

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My biggest gripe doing the car buying process is car value sites like Edmunds and KBB inflate trade in values tricking consumers into thinking the car is worth more

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For instance, according to those sites, my car is worth ~$30k

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But realistically it’s worth ~$26000

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So it’s sort of frustrating how much of a gulf has evolved in those values when before they usually were only off by $1-2k

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Not $4k+

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 9:29 PM

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My old car wasn't worth anything as a trade in. I eventually got 150 bucks for it from a salvage place

burnt tendon Jan 29, 2022, 9:30 PM

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I only technically own a car at this point in my life. It's really my spouse's car and I either borrow it or bike.

stoic mesa Jan 29, 2022, 9:37 PM

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car buying is one of the very few situations in life in US where you need to haggle. All these games "let me talk to the manager, we might be able to do something - just for you, just today, if you buy now, tomorrow will be too late". It is exhausting.

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 9:43 PM

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Well, they were going to offer $25,500 but I talked them up to $26,000

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But this is one of the few dealerships that doesn’t markup above the window sticker, even offering $502 off MSRP which is is $1000 in concessions

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We also had to pre-reserve the car because of how fast cars sell, essentially before they leave the lot

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 9:49 PM

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stoic mesa car buying is one of the very few situations in life in US where you need to ha...

It's such a scam

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I get not letting car companies have a monopoly is a good thing but holy moly car buying is a terrible process

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 10:12 PM

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It would actually be cheaper to buy directly from the manufacturer, and in some states you can

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 10:17 PM

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Until they get market dominance it is

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Then it becomes more expensive

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 10:25 PM

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Not necessarily, Teslas generally have gotten cheaper over time

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 10:25 PM

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for now

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that's mostly down to their improving manufacturing IIRC

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 10:26 PM

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Not just manufacturing capabilities, manufacturing scale

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Thing generally get more expensive over time due to inflation

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 10:27 PM

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I just know I wouldn't trust an industry to look out for the customers if they were given that much power. We need to improve the current system but I don't think the solution is to give GM the power

crystal ore Jan 29, 2022, 10:27 PM

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It's not obvious how manufacturer market dominance would work. If Toyota raises their prices, people would buy more Hondas instead, etc. The dealerships don't really affect that dynamic one way or another.

stoic mesa Jan 29, 2022, 10:27 PM

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free market 101 🙂

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 10:28 PM

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Dealerships due tend to add markup to MSRP when presented with little competition

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 10:28 PM

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indeed, dealerships stink, no argument, I just don't know that I trust manufacturers

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 10:28 PM

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But I have.. 7 different dealerships within a half an hours drive so pricing is competitive

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 10:29 PM

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yeah in small towns it's hard

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 10:29 PM

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Manufacturers have an incentive to keep costs a low as possible because of price war theories

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Plus regulatory action if they try to manipulate prices

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But if we only had one car manufacture, totally would see ridiculous prices

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 10:35 PM

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I worry about regulatory capture, see telecoms

stoic mesa Jan 29, 2022, 10:35 PM

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sure. I still remember long-distance and intl calling prices in the US in 1991, when AT&T was practically a monopoly

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 10:41 PM

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I remember having to wait until after 7pm to make long distance calls

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Good times when you move across country

blissful roost Jan 29, 2022, 10:43 PM

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Gets even better when you're moving across an ocean. 😛

stoic mesa Jan 29, 2022, 10:43 PM

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and i tried calling my family in Moscow. $2/minute. In 1991 dollars

wooden schooner Jan 29, 2022, 10:43 PM

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remember the days when companies would limit the devices on which you could play media that you purchased?

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oh wait...

blissful roost Jan 29, 2022, 10:44 PM

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Yeah, I don't mess with Apple.

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trollololol

umbral phoenix Jan 29, 2022, 11:24 PM

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re: cars... assuming no collusion. And there are enough players that monopoly game theory isn't a strong factor. Although there's an argument that in any given niche, there are only a couple of manufacturers, so there are some motivations for those manufacturers to keep prices higher rather than race to the bottom.

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 11:33 PM

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True

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I think there are… 5 major automotive conglomerates in the world

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Nvm tried to list and there are more

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But off the top: FCA, Ford, GM, Toyota, Subaru, Hyundai, Tata, BMW

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 11:35 PM

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Ozark season 4 is super good

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 11:36 PM

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Nice

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 11:36 PM

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Love the Bateman

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 11:36 PM

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I think I’ve seen part of the first season

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 11:37 PM

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It's worth seeing but I eat up shows like this

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 11:46 PM

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Shows like Ozarks and Breaking Bad did great and quenching that dangerous thrill day dream of selling illegal things.

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Which is why those shows do so well

lusty fossil Jan 29, 2022, 11:53 PM

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Yeah it scratches that itch.

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 11:54 PM

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I sometimes think that white women love serial killer documentaries because it’s the only thing stopping them from going that route. Which also makes me thankful my wife doesn’t like serial killer documentaries

hasty wedge Jan 29, 2022, 11:55 PM

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tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 11:55 PM

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Ohhhh

hasty wedge Jan 29, 2022, 11:55 PM

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working on the ROM creator for my soft speech IC

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 11:55 PM

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😄

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This looks like great progress

hasty wedge Jan 29, 2022, 11:55 PM

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(It's actually finished)

tardy badger Jan 29, 2022, 11:55 PM

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Congratulations are in order then! 🎉

hasty wedge Jan 29, 2022, 11:56 PM

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ksrparty

raw jasper Jan 30, 2022, 12:00 AM

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Congrats! Is it going to use concatenative phoneme synthesis, or do you have something more complex planned?

hasty wedge Jan 30, 2022, 12:02 AM

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it just plays samples

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I tends to call anything that generates audio as "speech ic"

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and

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guess what

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it's powered by a 8051 MCU

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ksrgreat

raw jasper Jan 30, 2022, 12:04 AM

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hasty wedge I tends to call anything that generates audio as "speech ic"

Oh, I see!

raw jasper Jan 30, 2022, 12:04 AM

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hasty wedge it's powered by a 8051 MCU

Yup, that's on brand 😄

late fulcrum Jan 30, 2022, 12:14 AM

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hasty wedge I tends to call anything that generates audio as "speech ic"

Whereas the Votrax SC-02 is a dedicated speech IC

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:06 AM

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fading hare bye

Back

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:23 AM

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why

blissful roost Jan 30, 2022, 1:30 AM

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Reasons.

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:31 AM

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This just confuses me...

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My /etc/fstab

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I meant to say user, did nothing

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 1:45 AM

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vernal yoke This just confuses me...

in WSL2? https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-connect-usb-devices-windows-11/

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that's all I found that's really useful

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was that drive mounted by you in WSL2 or did it show up in Windows first?

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:48 AM

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fair summit in WSL2? <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-connect-usb-devices-windows-11/>

No, this is my Pi

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I'm trying to automount my USB drive (with an ext4 partition) to /mnt/mrbluesky

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And I don't think I wanna run monerod as root, so I need to fix this

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 1:49 AM

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https://raspberrypi-guide.github.io/filesharing/mounting-external-drive

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suggests rw as an option

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UUID=D632-BE5F /mnt/exdisk fstype defaults,auto,users,rw,nofail 0 0

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what does df show?

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:51 AM

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fair summit suggests `rw` as an option

I'm using defaults, which according to the man page, implies rw

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vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:51 AM

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fair summit what does `df` show?

wait wha

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fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 1:52 AM

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how about mount?

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:52 AM

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vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:54 AM

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fair summit `UUID=D632-BE5F /mnt/exdisk fstype defaults,auto,users,rw,nofail 0 0`

I'll try this...

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 1:55 AM

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ls -ld /mnt/mrbluesky

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:55 AM

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Before and after

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:55 AM

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fair summit `ls -ld /mnt/mrbluesky`

Okay

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vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:55 AM

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vernal yoke Before and after

Gonna reboot for this

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fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 1:57 AM

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sudo ls -ld /mnt

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:58 AM

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Okay

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fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 1:59 AM

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on my ubuntu:

$ ls -ld /mnt
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 19 02:44 /mnt

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x means it can be searched

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 1:59 AM

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huh

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I thought it meant "execute"

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 2:00 AM

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sudo chmod 755 /mnt

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not for directories: it has a tricky meaning for directories

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:00 AM

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Hm

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 2:01 AM

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did you create /mnt?

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:01 AM

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fair summit did you create /mnt?

?

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No, I changed the permissions

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 2:01 AM

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i mean before

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:01 AM

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When trying to fix the problem

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I did sudo chmod -R 666 /mnt

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Because I didn't think mounted stuff needed execute

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 2:03 AM

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here is what x means on dirs: http://web.mit.edu/sipb/doc/working/afs/html/subsection3.1.html

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:03 AM

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Strange

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I guess I'm deleting .bitmonero?

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It works now

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Thanks

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 2:04 AM

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i have no idea, some kind of blockchain file

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:04 AM

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fair summit i have no idea, some kind of blockchain file

I saw that .bitmonero didn't have execute

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Yeah, it contains the blockchain stuff for monerod

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:20 AM

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It's actually detecting my file! I'm proud of that

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 2:29 AM

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You need to wrap the messages in translate(...)

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it's how we do multi-language messages

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you don't need to supply translations; it defaults to the supplied mesage

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:30 AM

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Yeah

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:30 AM

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fair summit You need to wrap the messages in `translate(...)`

Lol I just noticed that

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But....

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Is translate() called at runtime?

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That seems like a waste of (CPU) time

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noooooo

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I just finished getting the build to notice my module

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More file searching I guess

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 2:33 AM

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it's a big thing that gets reduced by compiler optimization

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:34 AM

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fair summit it's a big thing that gets reduced by compiler optimization

So translate() isn't called at runtime? Nice :D

fair summit Jan 30, 2022, 2:35 AM

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well, it reduces to some inline thing, usually

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 2:35 AM

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Nice

honest moth Jan 30, 2022, 3:21 AM

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guess who almost lost their most powerful machine, twice, and rebuilt the junked one in the meantime, only to find the junked one is FASTER THAN MY WORK-HORSE WITH A 1.8GHZ CPU and 4GB's of RAM. WHAT-

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Context: My most powerful machine sports a 3.2 GHZ dual-core CPU and 8 GB's of RAM, and is somehow slower than ol' Scrappy, both of which use complex OS's with tons of utility.

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how is this possible???

hasty quarry Jan 30, 2022, 3:33 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/883474918480674826/934458826302844938/filtered-AD06A260-25E1-48C0-85FB-C2EC9B4D7C2C.mp4

▶ Play video

unkempt nimbus Jan 30, 2022, 4:01 AM

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me: [panicking because my laptop trackpad Heckin' Died™️]
me, two minutes of panicking later: "why does this laptop have a key to turn off the trackpad?"

lusty fossil Jan 30, 2022, 4:02 AM

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unkempt nimbus me: [panicking because my laptop trackpad Heckin' Died™️] me, two minutes of pan...

"We got another one!" say the engineers who went to Evil Engineering School

vernal yoke Jan 30, 2022, 6:21 AM

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unkempt nimbus me: [panicking because my laptop trackpad Heckin' Died™️] me, two minutes of pan...

Ah yes, it's a function key, is it not?

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For me, it's on the F7 key

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My old laptop had it on F5 I think

unkempt nimbus Jan 30, 2022, 6:24 AM

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vernal yoke Ah yes, it's a function key, is it not?

F5 on my Samsung

hasty wedge Jan 30, 2022, 2:25 PM

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raw jasper Oh, I see!

calling audio playback ic speech ic is pretty common in Taiwan chipmakers

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQGvnUH2Ayg

YouTube

Nyquest Technology Co., Ltd.

Touch Piano Card

▶ Play video

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=djtTYLxm5zk

YouTube

Nyquest Technology Co., Ltd.

NY3L012A Laser Spin Top

Spining top with Laser diode and LEDs, 12sec body for song.

▶ Play video

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eicJtavnodk

YouTube

Nyquest Technology Co., Ltd.

NY5Q Piano 37 Keys

▶ Play video

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They're Nyquest, which makes a lot of really cool speech ics

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I have one of their older dev kits

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Their speech ic is really reasonably priced (20 cents for 16 sec)

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And they also have melody/midi synthesis ics(also sub 1 USD)

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But don't use their NY8 series. It's not only cloning the Microchip PIC, they're also distributing their modified version of SDCC which supposed to be GPL licensed and they didn't provide any source code access.

raw jasper Jan 30, 2022, 2:57 PM

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hasty wedge But don't use their NY8 series. It's not only cloning the Microchip PIC, they're...

Thanks for all the info!

hasty wedge Jan 30, 2022, 3:08 PM

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ksrgreat

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SDCC should really enforce their license

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~~They might be able to win some development budget from nyquest~~

raw jasper Jan 30, 2022, 3:11 PM

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🤣

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Speaking of cloned chips, yesterday I found out that the word 山寨 also exists in Japanese, with kind of the same meaning

hasty wedge Jan 30, 2022, 3:29 PM

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notlikeshouryo

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Oh gosh

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In honest

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If microchip really wanna do it

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They can take down a lot of Chinese companies

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like nyquest and FMD

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FMD is the craziest

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Their IDE installer used to includes an original Hi-Tech PIC C compiler

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And will automatically install and crack the compiler when installing the IDE

raw jasper Jan 30, 2022, 3:33 PM

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Never heard of FMD before, but this is pure madness

hasty wedge Jan 30, 2022, 3:48 PM

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Although I love these super cheap ultra low cost MCU

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I'll never use any illegal clone

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Like NY8 and FMD

edgy apex Jan 30, 2022, 4:41 PM

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Yesterday's storm as a timelapse. Over a foot of snow with 60-70mph winds. I had to improvise a way to keep the window clear

honest moth Jan 30, 2022, 8:28 PM

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Does anyone know a good place for Kali Linux information on bugfixes, tips and tricks, as well as how to troubleshoot the OS in general? It seems like out of every Linux distro, Kali is the most quiet and cryptic. May I have some assistance please?

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and yes, I chose Kali for [one of] the [many] reason[s] it was built in the first place: Ethical Hacking.

fading hare Jan 31, 2022, 12:53 AM

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honest moth Does anyone know a good place for Kali Linux information on bugfixes, tips and t...

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