general-chat

[dusty citrus]

but I doubt someone would die from that, to get a big shock you need both

[errant steppe]

Today's date, American-style, on a seven-segment display is both a palindrome and an ambigram.

[dusty citrus]

take that mayas!

[blissful roost]

02/12/2021...
Doesn't work for me, sorry.

[fair summit]

2021-12-02 in ISO 8601 style

[wanton thistle]

So wife is confirmed positive

😐

[lusty fossil]

oof

[wanton thistle]

good chance I got it

[lusty fossil]

that stinks

Hopefully the vaccine protects you both

[wanton thistle]

so far I think its done its job

[lusty fossil]

That's good

[wanton thistle]

but this is day 4

[wooden schooner]

Wishing you a full and speedy recovery

[wanton thistle]

thanks

[dusty citrus]

I wonder when they will start using 'Prime' for variants

or Minor/Major like they did for variola

[wooden schooner]

I'm honestly really surprised that they used the letter omicron. Greek letters that look exactly the same as their Latin counterpart are rarely distinguished. For example, LaTeX doesn't have macros for capital alpha, beta, epsilon etc.

IIRC

[dusty citrus]

also it should be covid-21 now technically

[lusty fossil]

Lol I changed all my passives to 0603, and they moved so far from the board I had to zoom out multiple times to see them all. I hadn't placed them yet so idk why F360 didn't just keep the origins in the same place but who am I to question the gods

[vernal yoke]

@lusty fossil It appears I got ghost pinged in #help-with-circuitpython, can you fill me in?

[lusty fossil]

ummm

nope lol

no idea. That's happened to me once or twice

[dusty citrus]

I once was looking at 1 year old message accidently here that discord decide to load on loading

and accidently replied to it, and removed it when I realized

bu they never figured it was me 🤣

[lusty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/cartoon-ghost-haunted-gif-5446914

[vernal yoke]

ghost

[lusty fossil]

CCTV footage of the culprit @vernal yoke

[vernal yoke]

👻🏓

[dusty citrus]

might want to play phatasmophobia and asks the various ghosts if they pinged you since they can understand english

[vernal yoke]

Interesting

[lusty fossil]

I haxxeded their webcam!

[lusty fossil]

wouldn't it be YOUO? You're Only Undead Once?

[dusty citrus]

Well it depends on your philosophy

If you follow the ghost whisperer philosophy you can be a ghost until you find the tunnel of light to heaven or until you solve earthly issues you left out by dying

[lusty fossil]

I'm more of an unfinished business type of ghost person

[dusty citrus]

I thought yodo was funny. Oh well 😦

[lusty fossil]

It was! I was just vamping

[dusty citrus]

You know what's cool when you don't have enough fans/heat exchangers to handle a mosfet that dissipates 100W?

You can start on the hobby of smelting metals

[lusty fossil]

not the mosfet!

that's for sure

[dusty citrus]

I had never seen iron turn into gas before

[lusty fossil]

I doubt your FET reached 5198 degrees

[dusty citrus]

When I visited a fablab a month ago I made that joke and they took me seriously 🤣

"I'm so bad at electronics that I didn't realize my mosfet was dissipating 95W and I never seen iron so hot that it turned into gas from so close before"

"You know kinda like the stars from other solar systems we can see from here sometimes?"

I also told them the fire department showed up the first time I soldered which wasn't a joke 😦

but not my fault

[wooden schooner]

As I understand it, when cooking in the microwave, the cook time is approximately proportional to the amount of food. When cooking in the oven, the cook time is approximately constant regardless of the amount of food (ignoring thickness, i.e., 2 pork chops takes the same time as 10 pork chops of the same thickness). I'd guess that pan-frying is somewhere in the middle -- that is, the cook time versus amount curve is approximately linear with a significant positive intercept and a slope smaller than that of the microwave. Does that sound right, and if so, how could one use textbook physics and back-of-the-envelope calculations to argue for it?

P.S. While writing this message, my celery burnt on the stove and I had to throw it out.

[dusty citrus]

no microwave is proportional to the water in afaik and quantity afaik

if you failed to leave water in your rice when you freeze it to recook in the microwave you find this the hard way 😄

evenly cooking might be an angle to attack it

[lusty fossil]

that's why putting a little water on the plate or a damp paper towel over food works well. Steams your food a bit

https://www.amazon.com/Microwave-Cooking-One-Marie-Smith/dp/1565546660/ref=asc_df_1565546660/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312140312523&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3937842827078260532&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031731&hvtargid=pla-564736972798&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=60258872577&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312140312523&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3937842827078260532&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031731&hvtargid=pla-564736972798

some lol

what I want is a meal service for a single person who doesn't eat much. Probably not a lot of profit in that though

[dusty citrus]

microwave don't cook evenly, cooking meat in it generally take more time for safety and even then might not be enough

you could argue that based on meat doing general cooking in a microwave is unsafe

"2 pork chops takes the same time as 10 pork chops of the same thickness" I wouldn't be so sure

it's still an heat transfer

and heat transfer formula depends on the area of the surface

so if there is 10 surface instead of 2 that should change things

[wooden schooner]

yes, my understanding is that the amount of heat transferred to the food is tiny compared to the amount of heat that escapes the appliance

[wooden schooner]

for purposes of this thought experiment I'd like to assume the food is a homogeneous mixture, so that for example, increasing the amount of food does not change the percentage or distribution of water molecules

[dusty citrus]

it's not distribution, some food have more than others

[wooden schooner]

I am considering a single food

I am asking about the cook time curve for a single food, which is assumed to be a homogeneous mixture, in different cooking appliances

[dusty citrus]

I know but the water in it matter

[wooden schooner]

agreed

[fading hare]

I have a meme for this. Digging it up.

[dusty citrus]

if it doesn't have any microwave will almost not heart it

so you should say consider a food with X% of water in it

[wooden schooner]

I considered "being the same food" to imply a fortiori that the percentage of water was the same, so, sure

[dusty citrus]

yes but it could be the same but 1% in which case the microwave is useless

or it could be tooo thick in which case the microweave is also useless

because it onyl affect surface molecules

[wooden schooner]

since you are able to identify the edge cases, I think we are now in shared understanding of what I'm asking.

[dusty citrus]

I don't preheat my oven

[fading hare]

Good old bachelor frog from a decade ago.

[wooden schooner]

wow

[dusty citrus]

I just put my food in it and put it at 350

it will get to 500 to "preheat" and thus a crust forms

and everyone is happy

[wooden schooner]

that reminds me of students in band asking if it's ok to practice for an hour on weekends instead of practicing 10 minutes a day

[dusty citrus]

because I don't have heat until next summer to dispose of

[lusty fossil]

"It's an older meme, sir, but it checks out"

[fading hare]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

[dusty citrus]

also it shouldn't be grapes in the microweave

as this turn into plasma balls like the sun 🤣

or like ITER

[stoic mesa]

try boiling eggs in a microwave

unforgettable experience

[wooden schooner]

do they paint the walls of the microwave yellow

[dusty citrus]

more like black

and it's at several thousands oC for a few moments when it touch the microwave chassis

because it's plasma

the step after gas when things gets very hot

[wooden schooner]

I use an electric toothbrush with a USB-powered knock-off charger (lost the original one). Naturally, the USB connector has gotten rusty over time from sitting on the bathroom counter. I googled how to clean it and had to do a double-take.

[shadow siren]

there is a spray called deoxIT that is for that purpose of cleaning contacts

[jovial path]

@late fulcrum ... Have you ever programmed an Intel processor?

[late fulcrum]

A long time ago. I think a StrongArm and an i860. I may try breadboarding this 8008, the great grandfather of the X86 line, some day.

[blissful roost]

I've got a Russian clone 8086 in my stash. 😄

[dusty citrus]

is it still transmitting to KGB?

[stoic mesa]

da, tovarisch

[dusty citrus]

resist! resist! resist!

[ocean sigil]

Resistance is futile.

[dusty citrus]

normally I'd hid the company/logo but I don,t have that much photoshop skills

[lost pond]

I plugged a Feather into a LiPo battery which uses the wires swapped so that the positive is closer to the USB. It released some smoke but there was no pop or sound and I unplugged it immediately. I have not tested any sketches yet but should I be expecting any damage to the battery circuit?

[dusty citrus]

hum don't wanna be negative but.... immediatly is forever for electronics, about 6.242 × 10^16 electrons had the time to pass assuming you reacted in 1s

and smoke in electroncis is pretty much the same as rigor mortis

[crystal ore]

Everyone knows that electronics actually runs on magic smoke, because when the smoke is allowed to escape, the circuit stops working. 😁

[dusty citrus]

but on the brigth side, you now have a board you can throw in the wall when another board doesn't work to lower your frustration needs

@lost pond wait did the battery release smoke or the board?!

or you haven't answered because the fire department made you evacuate?

or maybe the International Atomic Energy Commission made you evacuate?

[lost pond]

Board did. The led turns on when I plug it in to USB

[jovial path]

Pretty nice.

I wish I was a few years older, so I could have got the coolest old devices and components.

I was thinking, there are two things companies should remake, very old cars and very old electronics.

Replicate and sell the first Peugeot today and the first Intel microprocessors, for example.

[late fulcrum]

An assortment of old processors (1802, 6800, 6502) are still made.

[tardy badger]

And a 4004 is easy enough to implement on an fpga

Heck, you can do a 8008 on a small 4000 cell FPGA

[dusty citrus]

Can't believe NASA will shoot an innocent unarmed asteroid that isn't even threatening Earth 😦

[wary herald]

😦

Poor inanimate rock

[blissful roost]

I believe the Z80 is still in production?

[wary herald]

Yeah, I think so

[dusty citrus]

isn't the z80 used in nukes ?

that's why it's still being made ?

[pearl vigil]

Well, I think the bigger concern is all the industrial equipment

[dusty citrus]

Can't find the source anymore but when I did research for a software inc mods for 1980 real companies I saw that the first CPUs/floppy disks periphericals came from a lineage fo use in nuclear weapons from the start of the cold war

[stoic mesa]

this is from 2019:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/10/air-force-finally-retires-8-inch-floppies-from-missile-launch-control-system/

[dusty citrus]

yeah saw it, but I thought it was CPUs from DEC in the 1960/1970s

[dusty citrus]

maybe you should ask on one of the ontopic help channel since that is ontopic

[jovial path]

Very nice Rehwinkel

[ocean sigil]

I carried 8 inch floppies all over the world for research projects in the 70's and 80s. 180K was a lot of space back then....

[late fulcrum]

Yes, the Z80 is still made, I consider it one of the first third generation CPUs.

[hard estuary]

SparkFun just got 400 Raspberry Pi Zero 2 Ws in stock. Well, 399 now

[lusty fossil]

Me: I'll take advantage of my day off being Friday and get my hair cut
A dozen other people: I have the same idea!

[hard estuary]

Great minds think alike?

[lusty fossil]

I assumed it would be less busy

[silver shale]

Have power efficiencies improved?

[late fulcrum]

Somewhat. The newer 65C02 is pretty efficient, and can work at very slow clock rates. There are some space rated Silicon on Sapphire 1802 chips, but they're aimed more at radiation hardness than low power, but they do offer some power savings.

[wooden schooner]

make that 398

[silver shale]

Noticed it is harder developing a webapp entirely by yourself.

[stoic mesa]

certainly beats carrying 2000 punch cards

[wooden schooner]

Meaning without a framework?

[silver shale]

with flask

What I mean now I see why OSS projects are done in teams

[wooden schooner]

Oh, yeah nice. Many benefits to teams... if they can do the whole teamwork thing...

[silver shale]

But it is still important to learn as many aspects as possible

[wooden schooner]

There is this finicky thing called "management," can really weak havoc on a project

Most often appears in the "mis-" variety

[wary herald]

especially

[wooden schooner]

Increase the bus factor!

It's really nice to have engaged, positive team members. So much more sustainable than working alone, for me and I think for most people

[silver shale]

Exactly, also looks good to employers saying that you have experience from front end, back end and physical server management.

[ocean sigil]

Did that as well!

[tardy badger]

Working on the V1 prototype of the treehouse terminal

[wanton thistle]

that blue hot plate in the background-Ive seen it before, how is it?

[tardy badger]

It cooks boards pretty well

[wanton thistle]

Is it temperature controlled?

or just On/off?

[tardy badger]

Temperature controlled

[lusty fossil]

I have one per skerrs recommendation. Haven't used it yet but it looks well made

[wanton thistle]

Whats the model# or where did you buy it?

[lusty fossil]

Amazon. I'm off today or I'd get it for you. I think of you search something like "micro computer digital heating plate" you'll find it

[tardy badger]

Just search search electronics hot plate on Amazon

[lusty fossil]

There may be clones and since I haven't used mine yet I can't say whether it's good

[tardy badger]

It’s very likely a clone

[wanton thistle]

👍

[tardy badger]

They’re all likely clones

[wanton thistle]

meant that emote

lol

[tardy badger]

Only issue is the tune in the heat of the plate is hit and miss

Mine is only off by 7-15°C

But some people report it being off 40°C

[lusty fossil]

Wow. What did you use to measure?

[wanton thistle]

https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/overview/catalog/process_control_-a-_measurement/temperature_-z-_process_controllers/solo_basic_temperature_controllers

Wonder if you can use one of these. I bought one for a heat treat kiln

[tardy badger]

I just adjusted the temperature until it consistently melted

[lusty fossil]

Ahh

[wanton thistle]

So I am Covid positive. Break through case. AMA if you want lol. Its been stressful though, but I finally know.

[stoic mesa]

wow. Get well!
hope it goes away without complications

[wanton thistle]

So far so good. Some of the fog is lifting which is my main concern

[wooden schooner]

Do you have a confident guess of how many days ago you were exposed?

Did they sequence your specimen to find out what strain it is? (I have no idea how this works lol)

Thank you for protecting your community by getting tested and, presumably, isolating appropriately until you're non-contagious.

Which vaccine did you get and when?

[wanton thistle]

Symptoms showed up Monday. It started out feeling like a normal cold. Then by Wednesday morning, I couldnt taste or smell ANYTHING. Wife Was sick the night of thanksgiving, she thought it was strep. We didnt think otherwise.

[wanton thistle]

From what Ive read they do an averaging function or take 1 sample out of 100 (or something like that) and do a sequence. Seeing as Delta is the dom strain, I probably got that

[wanton thistle]

pfizer. Last dose was in May. Had a strong response to it. Fever + body aches

[wooden schooner]

Thanks for AMAing 🙏

[wanton thistle]

I would have been eligible for a booster in January but was advised to wait another 2 months.

The Nurse said Im basically immune for a bit now lol

My own research suggests I MIGHT have super immunity. But theres not much research into this due to the low numbers

[wanton thistle]

np 🙂

[lusty fossil]

How do you quote something on discord?

It looks like:
|
| quote

[umbral phoenix]

> or >>>

block quote with single right angle bracket
Ceci n'est pas une block quote
block quote with triple right angle bracket
(multi-line)

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/210298617-Markdown-Text-101-Chat-Formatting-Bold-Italic-Underline-

[lusty fossil]

Ahh.

Thanks

[umbral phoenix]

but going back to edit isn't so intuitive

[lusty fossil]

So do you have to escape those it you want to simulate REPL output?

[umbral phoenix]

for repl I use triple-backticks, like code, but with no language

[lusty fossil]

ah of course

[umbral phoenix]

or I suppose py or python could work

>>> # this is some REPL
>>> x = 0
>>> x
0

[lusty fossil]

Yeah I use py

[umbral phoenix]

it's one of those things I don't do often enough to remember (like most things)

[silver shale]

How do I get an entire dump of the SPD contents on a memory module on Debian?

dmidecode does not show all of it

[jovial path]

In level of abstraction does Windows uses Java? I remember seeing a speech at Oracle in 2014 about this, the speacher was about 70 years old and very experienced and he told that nobody really understood It at his level of abstraction, were he worked.

I wish I kept the link, It was a astonishing speech

It was very fast, about 1h and 30 minutes, and the phrase was short, he mentioned only.

It was not a conference.

[fading hare]

Which version? I mean, some of the older versions of Windows actually have available source code these days. (Not sure of the legality of obtaining said code, I am not an intellectual property lawyer).

[vernal yoke]

MS-DOS is partly open source :P

[real falcon]

very techinically, so are windows xp lol

[slim shard]

I think 2000 is as well

[real falcon]

yah

[late fulcrum]

JVMs all run standardized Java byte code, so the same binaries can run anywhere.

[tardy badger]

Surprised to get a Saturday DHL delivery

[blissful roost]

Surprised to get a DHL delivery - Fixed it for you. 😛

[lusty fossil]

Sigh, I checked in on the state of GPU availability again just to see.

https://tenor.com/view/tumbleweed-highway-blue-sky-gif-14068616

[tardy badger]

Yeah, it’s rough right now unless you’re willing to pay sky high prices

[tardy badger]

DHL apparently isn’t supposed to do Saturday delivery in the US which is why it’s a surprise

[lusty fossil]

There are a number of 5 figure GPUs available lol

[late fulcrum]

Yeah, a V100 isn't cheap.

[stoic mesa]

you got to be kidding me

[lusty fossil]

They are 80GB to be fair

I don't even know where I'd get drivers for that or if they would work with windows

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/nvidia-ampere-a100-pcie-300w-80gb-passive-double-wide-full-height-gpu-customer-install/apd/490-bhbk/parts-upgrades?gacd=9646510-1025-5761040-266794296-0&dgc=st&ds_rl=1282786&gclid=CjwKCAiAwKyNBhBfEiwA_mrUMiKeLgLAPitoNPNJ2kiW4wSdIN9EOq4HndiRUlV3_tq5ryJr258E0xoC0GAQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&nclid=xNmWNApVXY9mbg2Y3z8M3ygLj7CCpzS9aSbCk5NfoGXoMy4TrDgaP8LjqO6H8Gxo

[pure haven]

DHL was having some troubles with their distribution in the Cincinnati area this week. I called them because I had a package that was reported as departed Cincinnati 3 days in a row. After the phone call I was update as my package was expedited for delivery and I got it late Friday afternoon.

[lusty fossil]

Also who do I contact about an issue like this? "Copy link" doesn't work in the Google search app on my Samsung phone. Google? Samsung?

I have to open it in chrome which has led to 35 chrome tabs

[tardy badger]

Sapphire 11304-03-20G Pulse AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT PCIe 4.0 Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NXYNLMR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_4CSEZW7QVF9YAJGB0WJ9

$1700+ 😆

I saw a 3080 for $2400

[wooden schooner]

if you do pay sky high prices, DHL is excellent i.m.e. Shipped from Japan to US in a week, with real tracking iirc

[lusty fossil]

Yeah it's nuts. I'm rocking a 3 year old base model gpu because my 1080ti died suddenly

I don't need anything fancy for the games I play though so it's fine

[tardy badger]

I was talking about GPU prices not shipping @wooden schooner lol

[wooden schooner]

oh hah 😆

[lusty fossil]

Also do you have an evil twin named ben+?

[wooden schooner]

hah!

[crystal ore]

No, no, ben+ is the good twin...

[wooden schooner]

oh no...

[lusty fossil]

I figured they'd have to be the evil one since ben- seems very nice

Could all be a ruse to gain my trust though...

[wooden schooner]

thank you @lusty fossil

[lusty fossil]

Sure thing

[wooden schooner]

second time I've had the occasion to use this quote on the server: "At the age of eighteen I went to evil medical school..."

[lusty fossil]

Lololol

That's a strong work ethic to start a doctorate that young. Good job doctor evil

[wooden schooner]

must have been all those luge lessons

[lusty fossil]

And various pancakes.

Or that was the gold bad guy wasn't it. Never mind

[stoic mesa]

it should be ben+, ben-, and ben0

or ben_ref

for reference in calibrating evilness

[lusty fossil]

Lol

ben_ref is Mike Meyers in "So I Married an Axe Murderer"

[fiery hearth]

update on the avr8 port of micropython/circuitpython embedded: https://github.com/TheMindVirus/micropython/blob/master/ports/avr8/avr8-build-log-linker-script.txt
"It Compiles! Ship It!" but it doesn't link yet. The assumption when you get to this stage is it's run out of RAM, but in this case the linker script and GUI are both
unable to correctly specify and move the .data and .bss gcc sections to the data region where RAM is.
It can move the address around and change it to use Flash/SRAM/EEPROM but the linker script it pulled out is specific to avr:51 and would take a while to change for all the devices.
I'm proposing Microchip/Microsemi to simplify their sub-architectures and just call it avr8 with a generic avr8.ld linker script and avr-51.ld augments to the generic

[lusty fossil]

Neat! Just a quibble, I don't think this is off topic!

[dusk oracle]

i finally got 2 rpi2040's

and i can understand why people praise the capabilities of the io

i also tested out compiling on android and tested a few different boards.

i love it.

i can compile a sketch on my phone in 10 to 60 seconds and flash over otg.

this has also made flashing alarm systems a lot quicker when I do updates for customers.

[tardy badger]

No one:
Absolutely no one:
FedEx: “we’re gonna put this package on a truck but not deliver it to you until Monday”

[lusty fossil]

Funny, this happened to someone in another server I'm in.

[tardy badger]

Also FedEx: it’s delivered

🙃

But yeah. Got some ESP32-S2 mini module for the ESP32-S2 Feather I designed before Adafruit revealed they were making theirs for real this time lol

I do love how much smaller the mini module is compared to the wrover

[tardy badger]

Accidentally bought two boxes of clear black PLA filament lol

Going to make LED diffusers

[lusty fossil]

Fun

Have you open sourced your rainbow project yet?

[jovial path]

PLA is so great, I was hoping that ABS was very very plastic.

like a bit fluffy.

it would be nice to make projects.

[dusty citrus]

didn't know you could order from the People's Liberation Army 😄

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-to-women-womans-day-march-chinese-army-gif-10137001

[blissful roost]

coughs loudly Pardon me..

[silver shale]

I finally got my other desktop running after months of research

Apparently it could not boot with RDIMMs

[blissful roost]

Oof

You got some appropriate RAM, I assume..?

[silver shale]

Also cannot support E5-2600 V2 until it gets the 3.0 version of the BIOS which also stopped me from using it

[blissful roost]

Derp

[silver shale]

got a V1 and tested with some ECC UDIMMs and it booted.

[blissful roost]

I do have an E5-2620 sitting around.

[silver shale]

Used a Win10 VM on Debian and redirected a flash drive to it. Now I could use Rufus without looking around for a Windows machine.

[silver shale]

got a 2643 for it

[blissful roost]

👍

That's the best rig I have right now.

Dual 6c/12t, 48GB DDR3L ECC.

[silver shale]

very nice

[blissful roost]

Rather. 😁

Cost me £25.. just for the CPUs. Lol

[silver shale]

also btw Supermicro has good support, owe them for getting this running

[blissful roost]

Ohh, definitely

[dusty citrus]

about to clean.my electronics

forgot my zumo robot though

[silver shale]

paid $55 for the ones in this desktop

[blissful roost]

Do I spy an FPGA board?

[umbral phoenix]

i've heard of putting circuitboards in a dishwashr, but...

[blissful roost]

Or is that a cloneduino?

[dusty citrus]

just kidding 😄

nah there is an old uno in there, a 2560 and a pi 2

and a couple of newbie kits

and the old hp laptop to make this mobile

[blissful roost]

I paid £27 (inc. travel) for a Poweredge SC440, which is good money for essentially an old dog server. Lol

I might try dropping a Q6600 in there, or even the X5470..

Not sure the latter will work.

.. yeah, seems likely only the Q6600 would work.

[dusty citrus]

meanwhile the raspberry pi si about to exceed that performance and my old hp laptop one 🤣

I imagine kids in 70 years feeling sad about the basic hardware we had to do electronics

with their antimatter powered tiny superquantumcomputers

[silver shale]

Just found out that the CPU does not support four channels and does not POST if more than two is used

[dusty citrus]

"sad basic electronics hardware" 😄

[silver shale]

by then, quantum teleportation and nanolasers would be used.

already reaching the limit of the speed of electrons through copper

Especially with SDRAM. Worried that many devices may start using HBM hindering repairs and modularity.

[dusty citrus]

I don't understands why logs/stones/sticks sells in stacks of 111 though

like IRL 111 logs would be like several semis, I have to idea how 4 serfs carry all of this on their backs each day

What would be the right channel to post pics of my roster of citizen and my buildings and how to optimize it ?

[wooden schooner]

AutoContent was added in the mid-nineties, when Microsoft learned that some would-be presenters were uncomfortable with a blank PowerPoint page—it was hard to get started. "We said, 'What we need is some automatic content!'" a former Microsoft developer recalls, laughing. "'Punch the button and you'll have a presentation.'" The idea, he thought, was "crazy." And the name was meant as a joke. But Microsoft took the idea and kept the name—a rare example of a product named in outright mockery of its target customers.

https://www.asc.ohio-state.edu/wilkins.5/group/powerpt.html

[silver shale]

yeah, I use the recovery tool because it verifies images because the download page has no checksums

[wooden schooner]

I was kidding 🙂

Also didn't realize it might mean recovery DVDs until after sending

[silver shale]

i agree on it though

[lusty fossil]

Do they make dog safe human-food-look-alikes for dogs to eat on TV and in movies?

Just watching Hawkeye and a dog eats pizza which I would think would upset its stomach.

[blissful roost]

Louie used to eat a lot of pizza.. never gave him trouble.

[lusty fossil]

Hmm I must have just had an unusual number of dogs in my life with sensitive stomachs

I was under the impression that the sudden change of diet from kibble presented by eating human foods was likely to cause bowel irritation

[silver shale]

came up with a dad joke: If there is winchester, where is iChester and chesterd?

[hasty wedge]

Hybrid of 4 different products from 4 different companies

(6 to be precise, 1 qwiic cable from sparkfun and 1 StemmaQT cable from Adafruit)

I am using the QT2040 as a picoprobe here, a really nice little dongle that's more powerful than an AliExpress Jlink or a genuine Jlink-EDU mini

[vernal yoke]

Oh my god

That's a terrible joke, but it's still a valid joke

Unfortunately, you seem to be comparing a...program? to an Apple product and a daemon on some Unix or Linux system

[silver shale]

yeah, did not intend it to be anywhere near "not bad"

[vernal yoke]

:P

[hasty wedge]

I found that it's easier to program a pico with RP2040 C SDK than with Arduino

at least with i2c

in Arduino you need to include Wire.h and do all sorts of initialisation

in RP2040 SDK you just call i2c_write_blocking and the SDK will do it's job for you

Also, Visual Studio Code is a way better IDE than Ardiuino IDE 1.x(2.x is based on Visual Studio Code)

[wooden schooner]

There is Arduino support for the pico now?

it looks like the arduino IDE can program mbed-enabled boards, but mbed doesn't support the RP2040 until this PR is finished and merged?
https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-os/pull/14488

[vernal yoke]

VS Code is not an IDE, according to many people

I don't have an opinion on it though :P

[wary herald]

Emacs vs Vim - a battle for the ages

and one I'd rather not start

||Vim's better tho||

[fading hare]

all depends on what plugins you install...

[fading hare]

And, those "many people" are probably stuck with some expensive license to some kind of IDE monstrosity that takes up 90% of their computer's resources. They secretly hate it, but can't swallow their pride and just wave goodbye to the money and work in... I dunno. Vim?

[vernal yoke]

Vim: instant :q

For me

[fading hare]

Tell what your "IDE" can do that I can't do in Vim, or in VS Code for that matter.

[vernal yoke]

People also like complaining about how Electron apps (like VS Code) use Chromium, which means it takes up a bunch of resources for them

[vernal yoke]

I love VS Code

I only use VS Code and Sublime

Sublime when editing only one file

[fading hare]

I primarily use VS Code for React, PlatformIO, and to sometimes get a slightly better (read faster) overview of a large project's structure. I will usually switch back to Vim once that's done, though. I've switched my CircuitPython development over to PyCharm because the VS Code CircuitPython plugin is a dumpster fire.

I tried to get it to run better with Vim, but I had some pains when it came to handling certain imports and PEP messages. It was most likely user error, but it was annoying enough that I didn't want to spend any more of my Saturday on it.

Almost forgot... VS Code, with Marlin (a pretty giant PlatformIO project) open.

In total, it's using like 600 MB or something?

PyCharm, with one TINY CircuitPython project open, already chewing away at a gig of RAM.

[vernal yoke]

PyCharm?

At 1 GB?

But PyCharm isn't even Electron-based

[fading hare]

Well, that was 10 seconds after starting it, let's be fair.

No, it's freaking Java-based. Which is even worse.

[vernal yoke]

Oh

Wait

But

V8 and JVM both have JIT

[fading hare]

What other software runtime needs random gigabytes of memory just to never run its useless garbage collector anyway?

[vernal yoke]

At that point, you're comparing how well their JIT optimizes

Wait no

That's speed, not memory

Hm

[fading hare]

Yeah. Definitely not memory.

[vernal yoke]

Although...

Why would Java take up more memory than JS?

[fading hare]

Are you for real?

[vernal yoke]

Java has all the typing information

[fading hare]

Read what I said about the GC.

[vernal yoke]

No one is ever going to "add a property" to a Java object

[vernal yoke]

Wait...what

[fading hare]

Sure, you can write some REALLY optimized Java. Do you think anyone EVER does, though?

[vernal yoke]

Optimized how?

[fading hare]

So that it doesn't need thousands of megabytes of RAM to run something I could write in Python that'll take 25 MB RAM, if that. Same thing I could probably write in straight up ANSI C that would sit at a pretty 4 MB if I implemented a decent homegrown garbage collector.

[vernal yoke]

So V8's GC is better than JVM's.

That's hilarious

JavaScript taking up less memory than Java

Something is seriously wrong with Java then

[fading hare]

You're just now figuring that out? Java is a dumpster fire.

But, it's mostly that developers are so lazy with their fancy IDEs that they just don't bother. You know what the most used try/catch block in Java encapsulates? Like, 90% of all try/catches I've ever seen in all the "enterprise" software I've worked on...

Take a guess.

[vernal yoke]

Uhh...

NullPointerException?

[fading hare]

You got it.

[vernal yoke]

Wow

I did

Wow

So what you're saying is

[fading hare]

These people are so dumb, and so lazy, that they can't even figure out how to properly guard their code.

[vernal yoke]

People are too lazy to check for null

[fading hare]

Yup.

[vernal yoke]

And this leads to a function call, perhaps several nested function calls, all for an exception to be thrown

[fading hare]

And those try/catches then usually encapsulate a whole slew of other issues, that usually lead to memory leaks, and who knows what else.

You nailed it.

[vernal yoke]

Now that I think about it, what if the exception was thrown after some function performs some operation

[fading hare]

Java for embedded devices and for Android are exceptions, because they're written by people that have real constraints.

[fading hare]

now you're catching on

[vernal yoke]

But before

performing the second operation

that it should also perform

Meanwhile, in C, you get a segfault

[fading hare]

Bubba at Bank X doesn't need to care, because he's working with a server's that's got 1024 GB of RAM and fourteen threadrippers (I exaggerate, slightly).

[vernal yoke]

Slightly?

Slightly?

[fading hare]

Fine, he's got a $75,000 blade server fully loaded with top-notch hardware. As a dev environment.

[vernal yoke]

...

I would rather expect a bank to run 40 MS-DOS 6.22 machines

[fading hare]

Nope. They run beasts. Because. Java.

[vernal yoke]

So, uh...

[fading hare]

The most effective, robust, and precise ATM software in Sweden (up until 1999 when Y2K happened) was written in COBOL. Because it's completely imperative and procedural. It's literally really hard to screw up in if you just have a properly defined flow.

[vernal yoke]

What if such a thing happens with a money transfer, in a bank?

[fading hare]

then someone gets fired

[vernal yoke]

Sender's balance is decremented, exception is thrown, recipient's balance is never incremented

[vernal yoke]

COBOL

Old

[fading hare]

That's when they called my old drinking buddy back into service. He was 76 at the time. He was the only surviving guy out of the entire team that wrote the original ATM software. They had hardcoded years to two digits. He made $100,000 in like three days. He came back to the pub in a convertible and bought everyone drinks.

[vernal yoke]

Wow

[fading hare]

yup, summer of '99

[vernal yoke]

$100,000?

[fading hare]

Yeah, it was something like 1,200,000 SEK.

Literally a millionaire in less than a week. Sweet retirement fund booster.

[vernal yoke]

Nice

[fading hare]

So, speaking of older programming languages. Remember LISP? Everyone thought that was dead and buried, then Clojure happened.

Remember LISP? It's really old too. But, it's made a resurgence

[vernal yoke]

I'm 13

[fading hare]

One of the first versions was on the PDP-1, I think.

Lemme check dates.

it was definitely in the 60s

[vernal yoke]

Although why someone would write in a programming language containing way too many parentheses beats me

[fading hare]

yeah, but it wasn't run on anything resembling a "real" computer until the PDP-1.

[vernal yoke]

I have heard of Clojure before

[fading hare]

Clojure is super useful for certain things, and super powerful.

There's been a few other revivals. Elixir, for instance.

[vernal yoke]

Erlang or something

[fading hare]

Based on Erlang VM which was primarily used for switchboards and all kinds of crazy, old things, way before your time.

it's async latencies are way lower than a bunch of other languages

[vernal yoke]

Switchboards?

Oh god

Telephones

[fading hare]

Yes. With wires of copper strung up on poles between houses. Barbaric, really. 😉

[vernal yoke]

With wires of copper strung up on poles between houses.
Doesn't that still exist...oh...wait...

Oh

[fading hare]

I wrote my first 20 lines of code in 1982.

10 PRINT "TORGNY IS THE BEST! ";
20 GOTO 10

Still remember that to this day.

I was 7. Using my neighbor's VIC-20.

[vernal yoke]

Wow

[fading hare]

You know what the semicolon does?

[vernal yoke]

Uh, I believe so?

It ends the statement?

[vernal yoke]

Is that BASIC?

[fading hare]

it's BASIC... No, it skips newlines on a PRINT statement

[vernal yoke]

It what

[fading hare]

you get a wall of "TORGNY..." instead of that one a new line for every print, it just concatenates it all.

Hence the ending space.

[vernal yoke]

Oh

That space made me think

It didn't put a newline by default

Like C

[fading hare]

No, it puts a newline by default.

But when you add the ; it omits the newline.

[vernal yoke]

Why does the line number change from 10 to 20?

[vernal yoke]

Strange behavior if you ask me

[fading hare]

All lines had to be numbered.

[vernal yoke]

Right, I've seen that before, but why did it change by 10?

[fading hare]

That's just the way people did it.

I don't remember the exact reason for not using smaller steps than 10.

Maybe something with address space?

I'm just a computer nerd, not a real scientist. I don't know these things. 😄

[vernal yoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fading hare]

Basically, I have no formal education, whatsoever.

[vernal yoke]

Then 16 makes more sense

[vernal yoke]

Really?

[fading hare]

Yup.

Been working as a software developer since 1997, though.

[vernal yoke]

What language(s)?

[fading hare]

Oh my lord. Alright. You want a complete list? Here we go (only languages I worked professionally with, and some aren't real languages) mostly in chronological order:

1. Macromedia Director
2. HTML
3. ASP Classic
4. ColdFusion
5. ActionScript
6. CSS
7. JavaScript
8. OpenRoad for Ingress II
9. ASP .NET
10. C# .NET
11. Java
12. Perl
13. C/C++
14. LUA
15. PHP
16. Ruby
17. Python
18. Android Java
19. Objective-C
20. SCALA
21. Nodejs/JavaScript
22. CoffeeScript
23. TypeScript
24. Elixir
25. Svelte

I think that's mostly correct.

I don't count SQL as a language, really. Same with other database crap.

And I probably missed a few things. Oh, like VBScript, PowerShell, what was that dumb macro language for Macintosh back in the day?

Plenty of Bash scripting.

But, I digress, and it's late. I had to think about my happy place after I mentioned OpenRoad. That was an extremely traumatic experience. It was kind of like BASIC, but really, really, really broken. I had to reverse engineer a bunch of "stored procedures" when we migrated DF (Svenska Dataforeningen) in Sweden to .NET and SQL server back in... 2001?

Nope, it was 2002, because .NET didn't come out until then.

@vernal yoke feeling like grandpa here, in the rocking chair, telling stories as the children fall asleep in the couches around me.

(and there's still older people here than me, I bet they've got some amazing stories)

My 3D printer is running and I think it's going to work this time, I am going to bed.

[blissful roost]

Well, if the colon removes water and some nutrients and electrolytes from partially digested food... does a semicolon only do half the job??

Sorry.. that was a bit of a sshh joke. 😛

[fading hare]

there's no dad emoji

In other news, when your 3D model has a bunch of dumb hexagonal vents on the bottom and your crap filament (3D Solutech) won't even stick on a PEI surface... What do you do? 6-LINE BRIM OUTSIDE AND IN. It's working now. This black Solutech PLA is crap though.

[blissful roost]

https://tenor.com/view/nephew-roommate-father-brother-cousin-gif-11282634

[fading hare]

and the funny thing is, the filament is dry and nice, it's just... oddly slippery

I guess I got way used to printing PETG.

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[umbral phoenix]

I always thought the line numbering by-10s in BASIC was so you could add lines in between after the fact without renumbering

[blissful roost]

I believe you can anyway..

[thick wind]

This was a common practice for code to leave easy access for additional modifications later. Line numbering was super important for GOTO commands, and leaving room to insert lines in between was their workaround to not having automatic renumbering tools you could easily implement in today’s IDEs.

Depending on application, some programmers used larger intervals like 100, or simply irregular increments at times, if they expected their software to require significant revision in certain areas.

[late fulcrum]

Some more advanced BASICs (like HP BASIC) did have renumbering tools. I'd often renumber by multiples of 7 just to be obnoxious.

[wooden schooner]

Is there an embedded assumption that bugs are fixed by adding more code?

[late fulcrum]

I would tend to group subroutines that way, so I might start one subroutine at line 200 and another at line 400. It helped to keep things straight in the days before structured programming.

Sometimes, more code is the right answer. In some situations, you can address the common case with simple code, but then have to add on additional code to handle edge cases, corner cases, fencepost errors, exceptions, etc.

However, simpler code is more reliable and easier to maintain, when it's an option.

[crystal ore]

Generally, yes. Some special case that needs additional logic to handle, for example. Or having to add an extra mutex to deal with concurrency problems, etc.

[wooden schooner]

What could possibly go wrong

[late fulcrum]

There's also the common real world requirement of "we need to get this fix out this afternoon", where tacking on a quick fix instead of refactoring the code is the usual approach. This does incur increasing technical debt, and eventually all these efforts to save time and money end up costing time, money, sanity, customers, reputation, and smarter employees. On one project, we set aside a product increment just to reduce technical debt, but ended up adding a raft of new, complex functionality built on top of the already somewhat hacky platform. Similar things happen in open source, but for different reasons.

[hasty wedge]

Vscode is definitely more IDE-like than sth like sublime text

I hate to say this I used to pirate sublime because I was broke

When I finally have money for sublime

Vscode became a thing

Sometimes I really feel bad for sublime devs

Because there's that gigantic FOSS sublime alternative that's better in every single aspect

[late fulcrum]

I haven't looked at VScode, but I'm wary of it. I still use vim, BBEdit, JDeveloper, Sparcworks, XCode, and CodeWarrior.

Also more special-purpose tools like PyCharm, Arduino/Energia, etc.

[hard estuary]

Hi @analog belfry - sorry to bother you. Quick question on the CP newsletter: is this the kind of thing you'd want to include? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JJkAxRp8cw - or what about the KB2040 review on Youtube that Adafruit tweeted out this morning? (Unless that was you! 🙂 ) Just looking for context before I do a bunch of work forking and sending PRs. Thanks!

[hasty wedge]

vim is my goto when working in cli

you know it started to become a problem when you tries to :wq in nano

[umbral phoenix]

I have the Sublime free version, rarely use it though, it just didn't grab me as better than BBEdit. Not sure what's it's missing from the paid version. I like BBEdit best as a general-purpose editor. But Atom for CircuitPython because it's the only one I've found that handles multiple renamed CIRCUITPY devices, plus good GitHub integration. Though Atom has its quirks too.

[wooden schooner]

How many new bugs did the fix this afternoon introduce? One future afternoon per bug.

But yes that's accurate 😛

[dusty citrus]

https://www.bugatti.com/

[wooden schooner]

🇸🇪 Any Swedish speaking people able to tell me whether the IKEA product name Klubbsporre means anything? I have not been able to find it, or anything that looks convincingly like it, in a dictionary. (Maybe klubb + something, but I haven't been able to figure out what the something is?)

[dusty citrus]

sounds like the name of a royal dynasty in pillows

[wooden schooner]

just took a 10-minute snooze on it and wow! I have needed a pillow like this for a long time.

[late fulcrum]

They use words instead of product numbers because the founder has trouble remembering numbers. I assume many of the words are made up, but I have no way of knowing

Of course, ultimately, all words are made up

[dusty citrus]

well if you split the words, Klubb = Club Sporre = Spur

Maybe tottenham hotspurs fan? 🤣

[wooden schooner]

That may be true, but there is this https://youtube.com/watch?v=9LEak9ROQYA

[blissful roost]

Something just doesn't maths here....

[wooden schooner]

how many anni are in an Annus?

[blissful roost]

Depends, is it an annus horribilis?

No...

[lusty fossil]

eating pork ribs and ranch beans was not the best choice from a "don't have too much of a pork coma to get any work done" perspective. Lesson learned

[tardy badger]

I don’t eat pork anymore because it just destroys my colon

[dusty citrus]

so you cat people...

is it true if you give the middle finger to your cat they go crazy?

[tardy badger]

Not for my cat

[late fulcrum]

My cat is pretty much bemused by my lack of mobile ears or a tail. My rubbery faced expressions and oafish paw movements don't get much respect.

[wanton thistle]

nope. They dont care.

[fading hare]

You could have used Atom. For free. Or Vim. Or any number of editors instead of pirating Sublime. And, you know what, I know why you did, because that price... $99. I think I bought my license for like $20-25 many moons ago. I don't think Sublime is an editor that's worth $99.

[hasty wedge]

well

I switched to VSCode now

And I love it

[fading hare]

nice

[hasty wedge]

cortex debug and cmake integration

[vernal yoke]

Oh my f-ing god

Wait

Svelte

[hasty wedge]

made VSCode the goto for RP2040 development

[vernal yoke]

Is a framework

[fading hare]

also, don't pirate software... you know why? Learning new things is way more valuable than the microseconds you'd save using Sublime versus Vim.

[hasty wedge]

just plug in the picoprobe(in my case Trinkey QT2040) and press run

[hasty wedge]

That's why FOSS is so great

[fading hare]

Svelte is definitely a framework in that sense, yes, but it feels like a whole different language when you switch from React or Vue.

It's all JavaScript under the hood.

[vernal yoke]

Wait, does this count as piracy?

[fading hare]

If you've used it for longer than 30 days or whatever the trial period is, technically, yes.

[hasty wedge]

you know what

[fading hare]

Unless it states in their license that you can use it past the trial period.

[hasty wedge]

somebody should make an Adafruit Learn article on using Trinkey QT2040 as a picoprobe

[fading hare]

Which I remember it did say back in the day, but I am not sure if they've changed it.

You basically just had to put up with increasingly insistent interruptions to buy Sublime.

[hasty wedge]

I am currently using my Trinkey QT2040 as a picoprobe and I love it

[fading hare]

So, if you're doing it that way, you're not pirating it, I don't think.

@vernal yoke ^ does that make sense?

[hasty wedge]

[fading hare]

I am afraid to ask what a picoprobe is.

Or what it probes.

[hasty wedge]

https://github.com/raspberrypi/picoprobe

[vernal yoke]

Is there even a trial period?

[hasty wedge]

it's like a jlink but for RP2040?

It's RP2040's SWD debugger dongle

[vernal yoke]

It still does that

[hasty wedge]

and there's this fork

https://github.com/smittytone/picoprobe

that allows you to use the StemmaQT/Qwiic port as the SWD host port

[fading hare]

aaah, neat! I wasn't sure if it was like a bad usb or a ducky or something

[hasty wedge]

It's basically Raspberry Pi foundation's STLink

[fading hare]

I have worn many hats. Most of them have been gray. More black than white, for sure.

But, that's my past. Now I am slowly sinking into middle age by tinkering with radio. I figured it was time. Soon I'll get a HAM radio license. Maybe a rocking chair too. Thinking about buying a Corvette.

[vernal yoke]

Interesting

[fading hare]

Now I am just as easy to hack as the rest of us.

I think the silliest thing we ever did was finding a "mainframe" that acted as a controller for all these recycling stations all over Sweden. We figured out that we could change settings, including things that would really break the machines, and more benign things, like changing the text in the display. We confirmed at our local grocery store before we changed all the displays in their stores to read something silly, I don't even remember what it was, but it was funny, not crude. This was, by the way, in like 2001, through war-dialing. Who even uses freakin' dial-up?

I think the statute of limitations may not be up on that one yet, but whatever.

The username was 'admin' and I am pretty sure the password was 'password'. I will still accept any bounty for finding that massive attack surface.

There was also a way to basically increase the price per recycled item, and the machine would print out a receipt that was good as money in the grocery stores. You could either use it to buy things, or get cash. We didn't mess with this, because stealing money is lame.

[vernal yoke]

Wow

[vernal yoke]

Stealing money is very lame

[fading hare]

It was an AS/400. So, wait, not a mainframe, a "mid-range". They're still the size of a fridge.

One of these bad-boys.

It looks like it should produce some decent cubed ice, but alas, all it does is produce heat.

My friend, let's call him Luke, actually called them from a payphone to disclose the vulnerability and breach, and gave them some tips on how to fix it. 😄 Not sure if they ever did.

[vernal yoke]

Wow, it actually does

[fading hare]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vernal yoke]

It actually does look like a fridge

[fading hare]

the entire thing started as a joke... we were at "Luke's" apartment, just some friends hanging out having a few drinks. We played around with various things, and then Luke shows us this giant box full of old US Robotics modems he'd bought on auction from an old dial-up service in Sweden when they replaced their modems with more modern equipment.

Still in 2001, mind you.

So, we're like, y'all remember War Games? Let's find Skynet and play checkers with it! So we ran a war dialer on a smaller subset of phone numbers in a couple of Swedish area codes, and we got a few responses, mostly from fax machines, until we hit that AS/400.

By this time we were pretty drunk and didn't want to break anything so we didn't dial it or anything, just noted down the number. We called it a few days later and the rest is the story above.

like, who runs a freaking AS/400 on a dial-up modem (that in turn dials out to these recycling machines to deliver instructions and collect stats)... in two thousand and one?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vernal yoke]

Wow

[vernal yoke]

Wait...

Instead of Ethernet and all that, or WiFi if it existed, they used...telephones?

[fading hare]

wifi existed

but yes, dial-up... like with telephones and beeps and boops

[lusty fossil]

Oh somebody outed themselves as a zoomer

[fading hare]

Also, don't try any of these dumb things at home. Or, anywhere else.

[tardy badger]

flinches in 56k modem sounds

[fading hare]

I can still tell the difference between a 14k and 28.8k handshake

[vernal yoke]

Yiikes

[vernal yoke]

Born in 2008 :P

[lusty fossil]

I'm so old

[fading hare]

I have cellphones older than you.

[lusty fossil]

cries

[wooden schooner]

you can't be born then

[lusty fossil]

I have moles that old

[fading hare]

Hahaha

[lusty fossil]

I'm pretty sure my mom's dog was born in 2007. TBF he's an old coot

Blind yet tried to pick a fight with my dog who outclasses him by 2 or 3 weight categories

[wooden schooner]

TIL this nickname for Gen Z

[lusty fossil]

I'm glad young people are in the community

[lusty fossil]

I don't think it's derogatory but I don't know 100% I def didn't mean it as such

[wooden schooner]

Boomers, Xoomers, Yoomers (Moomers?) and Zoomers

[fading hare]

I love that there's young people here! They're doing amazing things I never got to do as a kid.

I'm Gen-X.

[wooden schooner]

"Gonna take some time to do the things we never had..." (I have no idea what they were thinking when they wrote this lyric)

[fading hare]

I was never smart enough for machine code or Assembly, but I loved BASIC.

[wooden schooner]

you know, the young 'uns have repurposed that word...

[fading hare]

The word, yes, but not the all uppercase acronym.

[wooden schooner]

I was very surprised in the movie ||Soul|| when ||Jerry used the word "basic"||

[vernal yoke]

Wait what?

[wooden schooner]

oh dear

[vernal yoke]

How so?

[wooden schooner]

quoting urbandictionary:

Basic
only interested in things mainstream, popular, and trending

[vernal yoke]

Ah

Wasn't aware of that use of that word

Not consciously anyway

[wooden schooner]

i.m.e. the word is sometimes used ironically, to intentionally give the impression that the speaker is a hipster (though more often one would instead say "mainstream")

[fading hare]

Is English your primary language?

[vernal yoke]

Yup

[fading hare]

Just making sure. (I'm Swedish but speak decent English as I've lived in the US since 2006)

[wooden schooner]

do you like being asked about ikea product names?

[lusty fossil]

I love ikea, I wish we had one near me

Good food court

[vernal yoke]

...what

[wooden schooner]

I do not know how to pronounce my pillow
#general-chat message

[vernal yoke]

How is that...eh...relevant?

[lusty fossil]

It's tasty

[vernal yoke]

Right...but...

...eh...never mind

[wooden schooner]

<insert channel name as a hashtag>

ykw, I should be sleeping on my Klubbsporre right now

night y'all

[vernal yoke]

Bye!

[vernal yoke]

My point being...

[lusty fossil]

It's a benefit of shopping there. It's a big store and you're exhausted by the end, and then: meatballs!

[vernal yoke]

That's fair

Sounds a lot like Costco

Now that I think about it

It sounds exactly like Costco, minus...furniture

[lusty fossil]

Very similar hunger trap

Costco food is different, not better or worse. Their hotdogs wreck my gut but are so good

[vernal yoke]

I like the pizzas too

[lusty fossil]

I'm allergic but they smell fantastic

[vernal yoke]

That's unfortunate

Dairy allergy?

[lusty fossil]

Yup

Among others. So my excitement about meatballs was deceptive. I can't eat those either.

But I recall eating something at the food court in ikea but not what

[fading hare]

I do.

Klubbsporre? Hahahah! That's like the exact difference of something soft and comfortable.

[lusty fossil]

Oh Scandinavia question. When I was over there I had a really good pork dish. Apparently it's popular. I think rice was involved. I had just broken a bone and this was when they were handing out pain meds like candy, so I don't remember much. Any idea which dish it could be?

I was in Finland when I had the dish but I recall a Swedish guy I was working with having it for lunch

[fading hare]

Was it a stew?

Was the pork in the form of any kind of sausage?

Was it reddish in color with pieces of sausage? On rice?

[lusty fossil]

I'm not sure if it was sausage but it was reddish colored bits of pork on rice

[fading hare]

Sausage Stroganoff

It's usually made with Falukorv

[lusty fossil]

I don't think so it was a different word. No thick stroganoffy sauce either

[fading hare]

Ok so not a stroganoff.

[lusty fossil]

Hmmm it's on the tip of my tongue

No worries, I'll re learn it eventually

[fading hare]

was it like this, a stew?

or did it look like this?

[vernal yoke]

Ah

[lusty fossil]

Closer to this one but my memory is hazy

[fading hare]

So it was most likely a stew of some kind. There's a wide variety of stews in different variants in Scandinavia. I think the most famous Swedish one is probably Dillkött.

[lusty fossil]

Interesting thank you for your knowledge! I plan to visit again some day

[fading hare]

That's made with veal, traditionally.

Which isn't pork. But a baby cow.

[vernal yoke]

That's veal?

[fading hare]

yup

technically a young calf

[vernal yoke]

Oh

I was thinking venison

[fading hare]

yeah, venison is deer

[blissful roost]

Well, it's certainly not cheap. 😛

[dusty citrus]

did you electrify the salted meat to tenderize it arduino style ?

[wooden schooner]

hah. does it have a concrete meaning or does it just mean "neither soft nor comfortable"? (Is it a compound of klubb + something else?)

[blissful roost]

I'm reasonably sure that concrete is neither soft or comfortable. 😛

[dusty citrus]

If you are not sure threaten to throw it at the police, if they laugh it off it's soft/comfortable

if they back off and call for backup it's not (like concrete)

[fading hare]

sporre means spur, and klubb, well, it's club, or alternatively ball, so what comes to mind when reading "klubbsporre" (which isn't a thing, really) I think of thistle flowers.

[dusty citrus]

I don't think IKEA though it throught as much as us

[fading hare]

oh, I bet they did, gotta make sure it doesn't mean anything obscene

[dusty citrus]

I'm pretty sure they have those grids with holes in them like the first ciphers with random swedish words on a 10096*10096 grid

and they put the grid over it and it give them the new name of the product

Like this but bigger 🤣

[fading hare]

yeah, or the same way Heroku or whatever generates hostnames.

got a list of allowed words, and then just run it through a curse filter to make sure the word isn't slang for something bad

That's how I got an A+ on my coding challenge from a friend. He told me to write a URL shortener in Python, with Flask. So, I used like a base38 or something, and generated strings from the IDs. It's efficient enough. However, you will eventually end up with four letter words, if you know what I mean, so I implemented a curse filter that weeded out bad words, including slang versions.

[dusty citrus]

I wish they followed some designations so it would have been easier in Sims 3

like every Pillow starts with K and ends with E

etc

[fading hare]

I only think that helps people like Rainman.

Walking around IKEA, doing strange math correlations between names...

[dusty citrus]

or something like PI-21A Foxbat Pillow

[fading hare]

Ubuntu naming strategy?

Fluffy Flooper

[dusty citrus]

no, fighters designations IRL

[fading hare]

oh, fighter jets?

[dusty citrus]

any planes really

thought the ww2 designation was more precise

it's used for helis and drones too

[wooden schooner]

I bet the name was not fully random. This is the second-firmest pillow I've ever tried. The first-firmest was the Praktvädd, which I also tried yesterday at the store but they didn't have any in stock except the display copy (I used my own pillowcase).

[fading hare]

Prakt, means like uh... splendor, glamour, opulence

and vädd is wadding/cotton wool

[wooden schooner]

wonderfully hard pillow

(incidentally, of the two, the klubbsporre was probably the right choice for me)

[lusty fossil]

Checkout adafruit jobs board

[lapis bluff]

Not supposed to do that here. That's what jobs.adafruit.com is for.

[stray wind]

I appreciate your considering for the community, but we prefer you do not post job postings on the Adafruit Discord server. As other folks have pointed out, it would be better submitted to jobs.adafruit.com, but be aware everything there is vetted first, so not everything submitted gets posted.

[lapis bluff]

And now for something completely different... I love how this says: "for free, we get it to you tomorrow afternoon, or you can pay us to have it arrive later in the week."

And despite saying no Saturday delivery, it did actually arrive on Saturday, rather than waiting until a weekday.

[lusty fossil]

I don't understand how, two years in, there are still people with their nose hanging out of their masks. Flabbergasted. Do they not have anyone in their life who's willing to correct their behavior??

[placid hearth]

Removed, apologies

[wanton thistle]

I think thats it. If you confront them they will throw a tantrum. Happened at work.

[stray wind]

Thank you! Much appreciated. No apology needed.

The Adafruit Jobs Board is a central place where the community can find job postings, so it's a good place to start!

[placid hearth]

Looks like a great place! Do you have any advice as to how to best submit a posting?

[stray wind]

Take a look at the top postings, those are "featured" postings, so they're good examples. Simply submit it and include information about it. I would say the best way to go about it is to aim that information towards this community, so highlight the things that might attract folks from this community, versus other features of the job that might be of less interest. So a little more info than was in your post earlier, but it doesn't have to be a novel either. 🙂

[slim vigil]

Is there a place to post relevant job listings? Asking for a friend (literally!)

[stray wind]

Sure, https://jobs.adafruit.com/

[placid hearth]

Submitted my post! Hope they let me know if the associated email is any issue.

[harsh goblet]

Wire strippers are excellent for removing bottle tops that aren't twist off

For.. child proof sodas n such

[vernal yoke]

Or Repl.it in creating project names

Etc.

[vernal yoke]

Sorry, I'm one of those people :(

[fading hare]

You know. Having your nose outside of the mask is like having your ding dong outside your pants.

[vernal yoke]

Out of curiosity, is being vaccinated an excuse these days?

[covert spire]

I remembered another remark relating to this. Rather amusing

[fading hare]

To wearing your mask like a clown? No. Why do you need an excuse? Just either wear the mask, or don't.

[fading hare]

this is a G rated channel, so, yeah, can't really post the meme image

[covert spire]

Yes, I wasn't going into the remark because of that

[fading hare]

yeah, it's a funny one though... people just don't get it... like, if you have your nose out to breathe, you might as well take the mask off... because... well... for obvious reasons... science... Do you people not know how breathing works?

[vernal yoke]

Yeah

I do

I usually place my nose outside my mask because keeping it inside makes it very annoying to breathe

And the only reason I wear a mask is because it's mandated

[covert spire]

I really don't get into discussions with most people about it anymore. Because so many make a political debate about it.

[vernal yoke]

Well, not usually

Sometimes

[harsh goblet]

Doesn't the breath come out regardless though? I mean I've seen people wear masks in the cold and I see the breath coming out. Not to be that guy but it's like lipstick on a pig.

[covert spire]

I wear a mask with it over my nose at work all day.

[covert spire]

Masks I worn before for cold has holes in it for easier breathing. Not quite same

[fading hare]

If you're like: "but I can't breathe" ... There's people that wear their masks during hard labor for 8-10 hours a day. Quit whining. Grow a backbone. If you don't want to wear the mask because you don't like it, then don't wear it and deal with the consequences.

[covert spire]

Like my buddy said at work; "More this is excuse to allow us to wear masks." Lol

[fading hare]

I know people that have severe asthma and they somehow manage to walk to the grocery store and back, in summer heat, with their mask on the entire time

[vernal yoke]

The logic is I have to wear it, but I'm not too interested in doing it properly

[covert spire]

We work construction, so it helps us

[fading hare]

Exactly.

[harsh goblet]

I'm not point fingers. I'm just saying. I've seen people walk around with surgical masks enough in the cold to know where their breath is going when it isn't cold.

(It goes around and outside of the mask)

I still wear them, so I'm not some anti nut suggesting we don't.

[fading hare]

the mask isn't there to prevent your breath from going ANYWHERE... it's there to prevent you from ejecting it 6 feet or more in front of you.

[harsh goblet]

Well that was standard practice for me before I was wearing masks..

[vernal yoke]

Okay, here is something actually stupid

[fading hare]

with it going to the sides, it lessens the spread of any airborne particles by like 40-80%

[vernal yoke]

LAUSD's Daily Pass

[fading hare]

Anyway, let's not discuss this because it'll turn into politics. The science is there if you want to find it.

[harsh goblet]

Where

[vernal yoke]

Research

Google

Wikipedia

[harsh goblet]

Mm okay

[ocean sigil]

Good idea to end this…

Please

[fading hare]

Yup.

[harsh goblet]

😄

[covert spire]

Mythbusters has a fantastic video on it

[harsh goblet]

I appreciate it. I think I won't talk about it anymore

[covert spire]

Yea, I'm looking at rubics cubes now

Apparently this is a thing

[harsh goblet]

that's an interesting one

[fading hare]

my stepson would solve that in a very short amount of time. And that would be a waste of $1,499.

[ocean sigil]

Please move to another topic…

[fading hare]

I deleted.

[ocean sigil]

Thanks

[lusty fossil]

It's weird. I don't really like Christmas that much but I love mall Santas and similar

Especially if there's a Mrs. Claus.

I think it's because they are nice to kids

[crystal ore]

I'm of mixed minds about the whole "Santa Claus" thing with kids. "Yeah, we're all going to just play this elaborate multi-year prank on people who haven't yet learned how the world works and trust us absolutely to guide them through it."

[lusty fossil]

That's fair

I figured out Santa was not real on my own and it wasn't really devastating

Once I learned how big the earth was and had a rough idea of how fast we could travel I put 2 and 2 together

[burnt tendon]

I want to see the movie where Santa is real and goes slowly mad as more people believe in Santa, thus obligating him to make more and more and more and more presents until he asplodes.

[harsh goblet]

I'm just picturing a Santa character scrambling around an inefficient toy factory 😆

[wooden schooner]

you might enjoy the Fairly Oddparents Christmas special

[crystal ore]

I didn't see the movie, but the "Fatman" trailer intrigued me... definitely a different take on Santa.

[wooden schooner]

also I'm sure there are analogues of this excellent calculation for santa's wild night

Mechanical question about flossing: What can I use as a clamp to hold the floss, rather than cutting off the circulation to my fingers by wrapping the floss around them? People sell floss picks, which hold both ends of the floss in a single pick and are not as effective because they don't allow you to wrap the floss around the tooth; but I haven't seen any two-handed floss holders. It seems that I could either wear lightweight splints on my fingers and wrap the floss around that, or could look for tiny plastic clamps of some sort, to hold each end of the working segment of floss. Anyone know of a piece that could work well for this?

[wanton thistle]

Unfortunately, I havent found a good solution. My dentists has me use floss and a water pic though. Ive also been finding that if you hold the floss too tight, it breaks. Glide and BJ's brand break way too much when flossing.

The only other piece of advise I can give is to use a longer piece of floss and kind of wrap it around between your index finger and middle finger, It might help take the pressure off

Bleh-I should try a different coffee other than DD's ground coffee but I dont want to waste my good coffee if I cant taste it :/

[thick wind]

Have you tried any of the cheaper non-Dunkin coffees?

Actually, if you can even just taste the difference between Dunkin ground and Starbucks instant, you should totally experiment with better coffee.

[wanton thistle]

Oh I have way better coffee

I get mine online or locally

From small places, not DD or starbucks.

[thick wind]

But you can't taste it?

RIP

[wanton thistle]

I cant taste the coffee flavor itself, but instead the minor notes (which is odd)

today-I may have over brewed it, as it was very bitter

[thick wind]

Ahhhh.

[wanton thistle]

I cant smell it either. I can smell the "notes" but thats it

[thick wind]

Even dark/light roasts?

Interesting.

[wanton thistle]

I can try smelling the beans and report back

[thick wind]

I mean, it's still worthwhile if you can enjoy the notes

You don't have to be like "hmm, this tastes like a dark roast from Ecuador" to enjoy what you put in your mouth.

[wanton thistle]

So the "Rainy Day mix" I have smells earthy and light. Cant tell if its coffee though. I tried with "Irish Blend Tea" and I can smell the orange, but I cant smell the large over tone scent of tea leaves

[thick wind]

This isn't a reecnt problem is it?

[wanton thistle]

Oh I have covid lol

So yes

[thick wind]

AH

RIP

[wanton thistle]

Its very very strange

[thick wind]

Yeah, then that makes sense.

[wanton thistle]

-100/10 would not recommend lol

[thick wind]

Covid taste loss is a weird experience I hear.

Stick to the cheap stuff for a while haha

[wanton thistle]

its very very odd. I can taste salt, and sweet (which are kind of a bad combo if you want to lose weight) but thats about it

[wanton thistle]

Yea thats why Im using up my "crap coffee best used for cold brew"

[thick wind]

Sounds like you still have the five fundamental tastes

[wanton thistle]

OH god I might as well try instant

🤢

[thick wind]

Can't taste the difference, anyways, right?

[wanton thistle]

lol

[thick wind]

Just be careful not to put actual trash in your cup 😆

[wanton thistle]

I want to taste my stout beers but I feel it would be a waste of a drink if I cant taste it

[thick wind]

Ooooo taste test a PBR or a Bud light

That should be an interesting experience

[tardy badger]

With Covid, I was lucky to only lose my sense of smell

[wanton thistle]

Or Guinness. I didnt like Guinness.

[tardy badger]

I could taste everything just fine it was just slightly dull

[wanton thistle]

huh. My wife said hers is coming back slowly

[tardy badger]

Tasting coffee without being able to smell it was super bizarre

[wanton thistle]

Yea and its not a regular loss of taste you get with a cold. Its literally like someone injected you with Novocain in your tounge

[wooden schooner]

that's good advice about the multi-finger, thanks. I've also heard that Listerine makes a stretchy floss that is supposed to take the pressure off, but idk if it's any good (or still effective for flossing)

[thick wind]

Sounds like someone tried flossing with a rubber band. Waterpik might be a good investment?

[wanton thistle]

waterpik + floss is superior. My dentists has me use fluoride mouth rinse in it.

[wooden schooner]

when you say waterpik + floss, you mean keep the floss and also separately do waterpik, right?

afaik, waterpik alone is not as effective as ordinary floss

[wanton thistle]

Yes. I floss first, then use waterpik 2nd, then brush.

[wooden schooner]

just watched a video of waterpik in action. I don't see how it can get in the pocket

I'll consider adding it, but not subtracting floss 🙂

[wanton thistle]

Oh it does. It shoots a stream of water and you have to sort of angle it

its kept my periodontal disease at bay so far.

[wooden schooner]

Nice. I'll look into it, thanks

[vagrant sonnet]

I just removed the wrong pins 😭

[blissful roost]

I hear it's pretty hard to put the pin back into a grenade......

RIP.

[wooden schooner]

They're talking about an electrical component

[blissful roost]

😐

[stoic mesa]

https://youtu.be/zvLK5gtjiZs?t=138

[blissful roost]

Such a good film.

[wanton thistle]

I have a very interesting conundrum now. As Ive pointed out in other threads..I was working on making my own metal lathe. Insane? probably. Ive worked it out for the most part in CAD and have a BOM going. But today...a decent looking older lathe popped up (Logan 10"). Its much bigger than my current lathe and its about an hours drive. The price? $400 which is what I would at least spend if I went the DIY route...(and more)

now I cant go check it out due to quarantine and all. But at the same time, it might be gone by time I want to go check it out. Thats a pretty good price for an older lathe. But knowing this, it would invalidate some of the work Ive done so far. Its also got me reflecting on the "why do I want to build one?" question. "Do I want something to do with my hands? Like a mechanical project?" or is it filling a niche thats not filled hobby wise?

Anyway...I guess I have to figure a few things out.

(Im also ignoring another issue: picking it up by my self and getting it here. I can take it apart, I just would have to see if they would let me disassemble it there)

🤔

[tardy badger]

Any wild guesses as to what this is? Lol

If you guessed my spin on an ESP32-S2 feather you’re right

[stray wind]

I did guess that! But figured I was way off and did not bother to respond.

Nice!

[tardy badger]

I was growing impatient at the time for the Adafruit one and designed my own

[stray wind]

That's one way to deal with it 😄

[tardy badger]

And then like.. the same day Limor must have heard the rumblings and released videos of the Adafruit version coming soon 😆

[umbral phoenix]

I've been waiting for the QT Py ESP32-S2 since early this year, hoping one would be made 🙂

Now it's occurred to me that an ESP32-S2 Trinkey would be really cool. "Look ma, no cables!"

just plug it into a phone charger brick and put it anywhere

Stemma QT of course, maybe expose a pin or two 😉

[tardy badger]

I also spun these up

ESP32-S2 sapling

ESP32-S2 drop in for the ESP-01 modules

[umbral phoenix]

nice!

[tardy badger]

Nice thing is the sapling is single sided placement for components so flush mounting with the castellated pads

[umbral phoenix]

are all of your things on tindie? I found your tindie, but couldn't find a link to it on your website

[stray wind]

TFW the tape you're trying to use to hold a board still sticks to your finger better than literally any other surface. 😄

[tardy badger]

Yeah, all on tindie now

[umbral phoenix]

calls out ESP32-S2 as "controlled for export". If I wanted them to end up somewhere else, I probably wouldn't pay the 10% Section 301 Tariff first

[tardy badger]

Yeah, communications based technology is considered a controlled export

Super interesting that a WiFi chip would fall in that but 🤷‍♂️

Since Wifi I kind of standardized and pretty uniform silicon IP wise

[umbral phoenix]

and pretty much available globally

[umbral phoenix]

I never did anything with those early modules, but they seem popular. Adafruit's ESP8266 boards were what really kick-started this hobby for me.

[tardy badger]

I did it more to be funny but then someone messaged my store and asked when I was going to start selling them lol

[lusty fossil]

random question. Anyone know if it's ok to run a model train in the rain?

I can find the model's model (heh) if needed

[maiden spindle]

Given that the rails are live, I wouldn't think so ...

[lusty fossil]

The rails are advertised as in door outdoor

I'm just not sure about IP on the locomotive and tender. That's where the electronics are

[tardy badger]

This Amazon outage

I had shipping supplies coming today to ship the mounting orders I have

And it seems to have delayed my supplies by a day

[lusty fossil]

I feel like that's a decent excuse to provide to your customs. Stuff happens

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[lusty fossil]

does anyone know any model train communities? I need to ask some experts some questions

[pure haven]

What's up @lusty fossil , I am a model railroader

[lusty fossil]

ooooh

For various reasons I'm not able to access the train right now, but off the top of your head can you think of a reason the train would lose power at a specific point in the track?

it just stops but if you nudge it a half inch or so it starts to move

[pure haven]

Usually dirty track if it happens in the same spot all the time.

[lusty fossil]

ok I'll sand it tomorrow

[pure haven]

What type of track and what scale?

[lusty fossil]

I'm not sure tbh.

What info would you need?

[pure haven]

Indoor/Outdoor?

[lusty fossil]

Yeah it's an indoor/outdoor brass track

[pure haven]

Brass does corrode easily

[lusty fossil]

There is also a sound trigger right by where the locomotive stops. It's supposed to trigger the tender to make noise

I don't think the sound trigger is doing it but I don't know

[pure haven]

Be very light on the sanding, 600 or higher grit, or use a rubberized sanding block

[lusty fossil]

I have a power sander, is that a bad idea? I can get some 600 grit tomorrow. Any utility in increasing the grit value with successive passes?

[pure haven]

Power sanders as way to powerful

A rag and some brass polish would work really well

[late fulcrum]

I'm fond of those rubberized burnishing tools, they do a nice job and leave a pretty finish

[lusty fossil]

I also have brasso

[pure haven]

That should work

[lusty fossil]

so rag and brasso? Or sanding? or both?

[pure haven]

Also clean the locomotive wheels with rubbing alcohol

A rag would be better

[lusty fossil]

Ok I'll get rubbing alcohol and I think we have some rags I can use. Liberal or conservative application of brasso?

[pure haven]

Start light on the brasso as you don't really want to etch the brass

[lusty fossil]

70% RA ok? Or do I need to go fancy and get 99%?

Hopefully this doesnt break your heart, but I've previously power sanded this track....

[pure haven]

70% is good

The track gets dirty quicker if it all scratched up.