The first time I went to do a show and tell I asked for 7:30 est in gmt and Google answered 11:30
#general-chat
indigo jetty
ancient rivet
indigo jetty
But I went to the Google plus post and saw it wasn't starting for ab hour
stuck moth
timezones are hard
indigo jetty
Stupidly!
At least we still shift the time for the farmers 😐
It's chaos in work here in March
As we change to day light savings before you
For about two weeks or something
During the winter it would be dark here before I leave work
dire viper
If we just start doing everything in UTC, that might make it easier.
Though I guess there's always the number of decimal points of precision that you need to get.
stuck moth
elfin wave
the problem with making everything one timezone is that "5 pm" no longer means "dinnertime" -- it could mean "I'm sleeping"
so planning things is still an issue, one that's probably even harder to solve
spice moss
you have discordapp in phone?
polar wraith
Apparently I need to get moving on my Discord bot...
stuck moth
yes @polar wraith
polar wraith
@stuck moth feeling appropriately guilty and chastised....
runic elbow
stuck moth
?support
sturdy hawk
Love when my wishlist is in stock on wednesdays 😃
viral spruce
@sturdy hawk insert <"it's Wednesday" frog here>
sturdy hawk
just hoping my order makes it to my sisters before my parents come home... somehow she is just outside the same day delivery zone... I'm guessing friday will be likely.
night crescent
solar ridgeBOT
You should be in a voice channel first.
night crescent
ah, so if this is a voice chat it will play audio
thin canopy
@night crescent : sounded like silence to me.
night crescent
looks like you gotta define the channel when you set it uo
i will make an adafruit tunes channel now
thin canopy
There's a general channel, I see.
night crescent
solar ridgeBOT
Added Simon & Garfunkel - The Sounds of Silence (Audio) to the queue.
night crescent
neato
i make @viscid folio listen too all the random songs in my head AND NOW YOU CAN
ALEXA PLAY GOTHY MUSIC
😃
thin canopy
this is on my play list somewhere
night crescent
oh wow, i can hear you, whoever that is
yup
ok, voice chat here!
my mic is off, because that's a good idea
😃
solar ridgeBOT
Added Glen Campbell - Wichita Lineman to the queue.
thin canopy
I wonder if there's a way to see the voice chat participants
Played GC playlist continuously yesterday.
night crescent
i think since we say "everyone" anyone can be voice
so that's works until it does not
😃
night crescent
yah, same here, about the same as radio 😃
thin canopy
probably good enough for voice.
... what it was designed for , I'd guess.
Oh, I can scroll down and see myself as a participant
thin canopy
along with you and dyno
solar ridgeBOT
Added 1. Blue Swede - Hooked on a Feeling to the queue.
thin canopy
?thankyou @solar ridge
solar ridgeBOT
You're welcome @thin canopy.
solar ridgeBOT
Added Love Bites (When You're A Zombie) to the queue.
upper fox
Does any one know where you can buy the wires that work with ez-hooks ?
thin canopy
?stop
ancient rivet
solar ridgeBOT
Added Casino Versus Japan ~ It's Very Sunny to the queue.
abstract violet
just finished baking double chocolate cookies spiced with ginger and cayenne sweats
anyone else here bakes :D?
runic elbow
I want to practice, but I don't have the ingredients.
runic elbow
I should have put more ranch on it.
indigo jetty
They sound great @abstract violet
I can bake a little, for some reason I've signed up to do our wedding cake...
This is the height of my baking so far
My girlfriend made the fondant pandas though
Two chocolate cakes with fudge icing, with Wafer biscuits on the outside
My pandas were not quite as good as hers...
hollow oasis
solar ridgeBOT
Added Simon & Garfunkel - The Sounds of Silence (Audio) to the queue.
elfin wave
solar ridgeBOT
Added Frequency by Bartlebeats to the queue.
bold turtle
@indigo jetty That is ADORABLE!
crude trench
I cannot bake, but you'll find no better Baking Quality Control Inspector anywhere. My wife just made a chocolate cheesecake with a crust made from crushed oreos.
My expert critique: "Only flaw is that you need to double all of the ingredients"
ancient rivet
fun fact. theres a hasselhoff cover of blue swede (warning: you can't unsee)
keen venture
I just found this community, and I am super excited to have joined. I am interested in getting a 3D printer for myself and my family (My wife and I are really into hobbyist technology, and we are trying to raise our children to be technologically savvy as well.) If I were to buy a 3D printer on a $1,000.00 budget what would be the best one to purchase?
indigo jetty
@keen venture welcome! You might be better off asking in #help-with-3dprinting
polar wraith
@keen venture I have (and love) the Prusa i3Mk2S (about 900 USD)
keen venture
Thanks @indigo jetty . I didn't know if that was a good place to ask. And @polar wraith Cool, that is one that I was looking into. How loud is it? (I ask because that seemed to be the only consistent complaint.)
abstract violet
@indigo jetty those look fantastic! I love chocolate cake! -- the pandas turned out!
@keen venture welcome \o/
polar wraith
@keen venture I run it in my apartment and I can barely hear it in the next room.
keen venture
Well, I have 2 children (10 and 6) and I really am trying to raise them with an overwhelming familiarity for technology. This summer my 10-year-old daughter and I built a retro gaming machine out of a Pi 3 and my wife and she just started a dedicated dakboard build so they could have a family calendar as we start the school year. We just are increasingly thinking that a 3D printer is the next logical piece of technology that we should pick up to “play” with when we find ourselves with the time.
At least that is how I am justifying it.
abstract violet
@keen venture the prusa as @polar wraith is a solid printer, just have to wait a while to get one..
or not!
"With our new factory, we’ve reduced the lead-time down to 1 to 2 weeks! Hoooray!"
was around 6
keen venture
Cool @abstract violet, so is buying direct the best way to go?
abstract violet
if you can find a local distributer, why not? @keen venture
elfin wave
oh cool, I should build a dakboard
my kids are 7 and 4, so the oldest is at a prime age
(hence me buying the new electronics book from adafruit yesterday, with their perfectly-timed 10% off code)
keen venture
Indeed. We found a 24-inch display on woot a few weeks ago for less than $100.00. So the entire project is less than $150.00 for a pretty great project that we will use for the foreseeable future.
abstract violet
@keen venture how long have you been researching 3D printers?
elfin wave
having a calendar is what we need the most
keen venture
@abstract violet off and on for a while, but seriously for about a week.
abstract violet
@keen venture overwhelmed yet? XD
keen venture
Yes.
abstract violet
@keen venture what are some of your use cases?
will both children be learning how to 3D print? / 3D printing something can take time, will the kids be okay with taking turns printing their models? etc..
prusa is a solid choice for the price range, but if you're looking to find a printer to fit your use case there are plenty of other options too
also depends on how much you want to get into the tinkering part of having a 3D printer
keen venture
I would say just doing things with children that are fun to entertain and challenge my wife and me while making them more comfortable with technology. And yes they will be fine with taking turns. (They will both have to wait on me afterall . . .)
abstract violet
Cause I was thinking with that budget you could buy multiple smaller ready-built printers as a starting point ~
like get 4 of these https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=21711
indigo jetty
I've heard tales that in the land of opportunity that libraries have printers
abstract violet
ive seen this particular model used in schools
@indigo jetty where is that land?!
keen venture
Oh, that won't be an issue. I think that 1 powerhouse would be much better than 4 smaller ones.
Stillwater, OK has a 3D printer in the public library.
And OSU has one on campus that students can use.
indigo jetty
@keen venture personally I think you should try start smaller and work up
keen venture
Oklahoma State that is.
indigo jetty
See how they like printing at the library
spice moss
hmm I think I test this Project Prague out as for overlay and such https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k38ygfiAqVg
indigo jetty
And after I would buy one monoprice
And if you are still interested by Christmas (what's politically correct to say, "the holidays"?) consider moving up
keen venture
I am actually aiming for the purchase around Christmas.
indigo jetty
I'd say it f you asked everyone of us with printers do we use it as much as we thought we would we would say no
abstract violet
haha true
indigo jetty
(except maybe the Ruiz brothers)
abstract violet
but they have multiple ones
spice moss
Ruiz Prothers the 3D Printer farm
indigo jetty
Your kids are at a great age for little bits too if you haven't already gotten them
abstract violet
good to start learning how to 3D model now 😃
keen venture
Once the school year starts we have about 2 months of GO, GO, GO and then we settle into our family rhythm. I will consider the monoprice one though. With my wife’s job we can write off the cost fairly easily.
The Little Bits are amazing. We love them.
abstract violet
@keen venture 😄 there's a ladyada interview with littlebits
keen venture
I think my daughter is about to outgrow the little bits though. Her grandfather already has her soldering.
indigo jetty
My daughter turns the big 01 on Monday, I'm actually excited to do stuff like that with her
If she's interested when she's older
(or I'm still interested!)
That's awesome!
Get them programming and they'll take over the world
keen venture
Thankfully both of my children have grown up with super nerds as parents 😃
abstract violet
@keen venture that's great!
indigo jetty
I grew up with non super nerd parents and became one so it doesn't always work out that way!
abstract violet
@indigo jetty looking forward to show and tell 2025!
indigo jetty
Haha
elfin wave
my local library does have a printer! which is a big part of why I can't justify it. I just... have to stop on my way home! it's an unreasonable burden 🙃
indigo jetty
I got my daughter a charm bracelet for her first Christmas (it's in a frame) and I'm going to get her a new charm every year till she's 18. I wrote out on the back each year and I'll fill in which charm was gotten when
It was so weird writing 203X as a real year
elfin wave
I actually have a trellis top that I need to pick up
and start printing the other parts
my library actually has three: a LulzBot, Maker and Maker Mini (I think)
abstract violet
@elfin wave are there long wait times?
elfin wave
it's first come first served, so as long as there's a printer open you can use it. and you don't have to wait til it finishes, which is nice
when I went on monday only the mini was open, so it was just big enough to print one part of the project
abstract violet
what happens when its finished?
elfin wave
they put it in a box in the back until you pick it up
(printing https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:211447 )
elfin wave
a woman there said she printed a skull ring and someone else claimed it, which sucks
abstract violet
thats great!
elfin wave
they have a box of unclaimed projects. someone was apparently printing a 1:1 model of their head, which failed halfway through for some reason
indigo jetty
I'm on my phone @elfin wave , what are the buttons in that item?
indigo jetty
Oh ok
elfin wave
I don't have a specific use case for it yet but I really liked the idea and hey, now I have one?
indigo jetty
Haha
elfin wave
the case has cutouts for a full size arduino; I'll probably be using something smaller than that but don't feel like messing with the design for my first project
indigo jetty
An uno?
elfin wave
(shrug)
indigo jetty
If it was me I would use something with USB capability
elfin wave
I should pick up a metro m0... get in on this 
train
indigo jetty
M0 does right?
Like that can emulate hid devices
So you can have a custom shortcuts device
abstract violet
can get other boards too @elfin wave , there's the feather m0, or the bluefruit feather
elfin wave
right! I might have it do a few things
I was thinking some sort of "game" too, where you're presented with a keypad and a screen and pressing the buttons makes things happen that aren't at all clear to you from the nonexistent interface
that, shortcuts, etc... like I said, having a 16 button grid sitting around that I can use for whatever I think of seemed handy, especially for fifteen U.S. dollars
ancient rivet
// discord markdown code/syntax highlight test
#define MAX_ITER 42
int i;
SomeClass foo = SomeClass();
/*
HELLO WORLD
*/
for (i=0; i<MAX_ITER; i++) {
do_something();
foo.bar(i);
}
hmm
int i = 0;
var foo = "hello world";
from time import sleep
sleep(1)
Foo foo = Foo();
no C++?
stuck moth
I think it should @ancient rivet reddit says it uses this: https://highlightjs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/css-classes-reference.html#language-names-and-aliases
uint8_t i = 0;
works with cpp
uint8_t i = 0;
not c++
ancient rivet
cool. thanks.
PRINT *, "Hello World!"
END
fortran works 😀
needs a col 7 line though
indigo jetty
I started laying out what I want to cover in my introduction to esp8266 video series.
These are the topics I'm thinking of covering
Any suggestions on changes?
The format is to teach one "Arduino-y" thing and then use that for some WiFi - y thing
I also started on my telegram learn guide today
spice moss
terminal inside visual studio https://www.hanselman.com/blog/AProperTerminalForVisualStudio.aspx
abstract violet
@indigo jetty you gonna do a section for power?
indigo jetty
powering projects?
abstract violet
yeah, i like the bits andreas touched on https://openhomeautomation.net/esp8266-battery/
indigo jetty
not in this. but sleep is on my radar for a two minute tidbit video
(although i had forgot!)
abstract violet
what kinda radar are you building :O? @indigo jetty
indigo jetty
its a whatever you want it to be light 😃
ah no, it will be controlled by telegram
So you will have the option to change it red green or blue
or chase clockwise or anticlockwise
or off
button is for sending a notification to your phone
really the neopixel ring could be any sensor or device you output to and the button could be any that you read from
minor spruce
@indigo jetty , cool ! Maybe the neopixel act as the decoder representing the alphabet by neopixel location and color, just an 💡.
indigo jetty
not sure what you mean @minor spruce ?
oh display messages in code
B = Green pixel at 12 oclock
R = red pixel at 3 oclock?
minor spruce
Yeah, decode telegram... Haha...
indigo jetty
ha 😃
just in case you didnt know its a instant message client like whats app or facebook messenger
alot of people think im talking about the olde timey Telegram .. stop
minor spruce
Oh... Cool 👍
indigo jetty
I describe the library I wrote here. It's one of my first videos so its a little slow
but it gives a decent idea what it can do
the learn guide will be similar to this video
minor spruce
I will be sharing this video to the makerspace community in my area if you don't mind.
indigo jetty
Absolutely!
Thanks!
If you have any questions let me know I would be happy to help
abstract violet
@indigo jetty nice video, I forgot all about telegram bots
bold turtle
So, due to the malfeasance and/or indifference to said, I am going to be looking for new employment starting Monday. Because I refuse to work for someone who is either actively involved in committing fraud, or unconcerned with the fact that they are the victim of said in their supply chain.
And I could really use hugs/words of encouragement right now because I'm about ready to crawl under my desk and cry my eyes out because I just feel so dammed betrayed.
stuck moth
sorry to hear that @bold turtle !
indigo jetty
@bold turtle sounds like a shitty situation. The short term stress of changing job will be worth it in the long run!
minor spruce
Thanks @dusty citrus
Sorry to hear your situation @bold turtle
If it's any consolation, you are better off out of that situation rather than getting drag later on with heavy consequences.
sturdy hawk
Latest first world problem... Figuring out the correct wording to an alexa command...
thin canopy
@bold turtle: take the high road and don't look back for a second.
bold turtle
🙄
runic elbow
It was bad but I love this joke.
bold turtle
Actually, I gotta admit, edge is the best downloader for chrome yet
(also, the only browser I know of that can natively stream over DLNA)
runic elbow
I only use edge because I'm too lazy to get another browser.
runic elbow
Space is awesome.
viral spruce
here's a gif of a relay I "decapsulated", getting a better video later but it's really fun to watch
indigo jetty
I can just hear that gif "click"
abstract violet
cool shot @viral spruce ! My husband's office lights has a massive sounding latch that thwops when the main lights turn on, now I have visuals to go with it 😄
indigo jetty
That gif is freaking out on my phone
viral spruce
@abstract violet that was exactly the goal, thank you! @indigo jetty it's like 2ish frames, lol
solar ridgeBOT
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell (YT only) - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
Desk of Tony D - Evenings PST Fridays
elfin wave
I made a server of my own to play with. you have to specify a music channel in the dyno dashboard. is that #general-chat?
(I can see the cause for a #tunes channel, or here; either way)
then as long as you're in any voice channel, dyno joins and broadcasts?
I apologize for what I'm about to do but it was the one song I know works
see, dyno told me "you need to be in a voice channel!" before
?help
solar ridgeBOT
The prefix for adafruit is ?
You can find a list of commands at https://www.dynobot.net/commands
elfin wave
interesting. even that isn't working on my server now.
ancient rivet
not sure how its suppose to work. but if you select the "adafruit tunes" channel and then press play in the embedded link, it "works".
stuck moth
yeah, I set it to the #general-chat channel
ancient rivet
is there a rickroll filter?
stuck moth
I think you are @ancient rivet 😛
runic elbow
I found some Zizzle toys on eBay, and they are ridiculously expensive.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZIZZEL-IZ-Iteractive-iPod-MP3-Music-Player-NEW-PURPLE-/332335603283?hash=item4d60bede53:g:FpIAAOSwhfxZbV19 Like, look at the shipping price on this dude.
Could they have at least made the shipping price more clear?
OK
indigo jetty
Dont hear anything
abstract violet
TIL Windows 10 default wallpaper is not CG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL8BBOwupcI
ancient rivet
it also looks a lot like the window hitler always escaped through in danger 5
abstract violet
@ancient rivet I thought it was done with LED's these are all projected, would be nice to have an installation that mimics the effect 😃
runic elbow
I have retrieved the floppy drive from the old machine I have.
bold turtle
Using heat-shrink to fix your glasses #JustMakerThings
indigo jetty
indigo jetty
Baking a cake, experimenting a lot so who knows what if will end up like!
spice moss
@indigo jetty code what control the baking process?
abstract violet
@indigo jetty YES! which kind of cake are you baking 😄
runic elbow
Did someone mention cake?
spice moss
there is coffee machine raspberry sample in ms-iot library
@stuck moth think Circuitpython code what controls baking process
runic elbow
I just figured out how to change my own nickname.
runic elbow
Yay
indigo jetty
runic elbow
Mmmmm cake
indigo jetty
@spice moss i had an Alexa timer, that was about the height of automation
@abstract violet its a madira cake with buttercream icing
abstract violet
@indigo jetty yummy!! drool
runic elbow
Like how I set up my desktop?
stuck moth
love the background @runic elbow
runic elbow
Thank you! I set it so that it changes every ten seconds.
I have about five pictures that it cycles through.
I mostly question how my PC isn't dying with the Aero theme on.
runic elbow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpT4WGsMcvk My god, this is is better then my PC.
Computers are amazing.
runic elbow
I just figured out how to save themes and share them.
This is the theme I saved first.
elfin wave
grrr the FCC's ULS database doesn't have my ham callsign yet. I passed the exam last tuesday! let me broadcaaaaaaaast
stuck moth
@sweet fiber lets talk here
when I use linux its now arch
it has all of the benefits gentoo used to have, good docs, up to date software
and I don't mind not compiling
@sweet fiber I wouldn't even go django. I prefer flask
I'd do a flask backend that does the github interop that generates static guide pages
sweet fiber
ah
I have heard of flask ... can't remember how it 'fit in' ..
ah ok so it sits in the python 'family' ..
stuck moth
its kinda the same role as django but much lighter
sweet fiber
@stuck moth yeah I could get behind this .. I sense some overlap
stuck moth
😃
one test would be having a repo represent a guide and then that code rendering it to static html like we have today
sweet fiber
is a repo-per-guide necessary? I can see the abstraction may prove crticial :/
but it seems a bit overkill ..
how many guides are on learn these days? I didn't see Phil's latest blerb in the AAE
stuck moth
~1200
sweet fiber
yeah 1200 repos seems daft .. lol
stuck moth
repo per guide has the benefit of per guid epermissions
but makes it weird to share content
stuck moth
😃
sweet fiber
same as gentoo's .. they use a force-push update system from git.g.o
it just makes PR's interface easy. The merging process is -slightly- more complicated though 😄 there's a Perl module for that .. 😃
@stuck moth any simple short guides to 'play with' ?
stuck moth
try picking something marked as featured
sweet fiber
Are articles tagged or searchable yet? I Think I've seen a generic search somewhere ...
stuck moth
inconsistency. they'll be added back
sweet fiber
I s'pose there's not a lot of difference between searching for "neopixel feather m0" and letting the text engine pull the terms out 😄
stuck moth
yup
sweet fiber
yup I see the categories now .. cool 😄
dusty citrus
@stuck moth What about a Jekyl like approach (of course, Jekyl is ruby...)
it's what github pages use...
sweet fiber
it might be a potentially easier sidestep ..
dusty citrus
ah, http://hyde.github.io/ is pythonic jekyll
sweet fiber
sounds horrific .. stick to one language at a time ;P
dusty citrus
hhehe
sweet fiber
oh you mean a python -version- of jekyll ?
sweet fiber
yeah .. I think if it were me .. I'd either stick solidly to ruby and move the existing ruby to new ruby .. or reimplement in a pythonic framework
but rails, I'd say was a bit overkill myself 😄
dusty citrus
Advantage to Jekyll: essentially, every guide becomes a repo, and the guide works on it's own (hosted by github) , but can also be served up (and branded more) by Adafruit.
sweet fiber
hmm .readthedocs seems to work ..
dusty citrus
Advantage to Jekyll: literally cut and paste will just work well, authors don't need to do much of anything.
sweet fiber
I wouldn't host on github .. I thinkg ladayada would shy away from that too ..
nor would phil tbf
how git'able is ruby .. ah well I S'pose if its jekyll ..
dusty citrus
No, doesn't have to be on github...
sweet fiber
and MD ftw too
stuck moth
markdown or rst is my preference
dusty citrus
yeah, pick one 😃
sweet fiber
you mean there's an alternative to MD .. who doesn't get MD .. lol
dusty citrus
above link says RST beats MD.
sweet fiber
.. besides Me.. but then I don't use RST .. probably never will.
yeah .. someone clearly likes RST 😛
stuck moth
I love markdown but rst handles structure and cross-referencing much better
sweet fiber
oh does it .. -sigh-
dusty citrus
TL;DR: "Writing for the web is what Markdown was designed for and where it shines. In contrast, Sphinx and RST were designed for writing documentation"
dusty citrus
What's a guide? Is it Writing for the Web, or Documentation?
sweet fiber
but this is web documentation 😛
dusty citrus
Pick one 😃
sweet fiber
yea then you're compromised by the other 😛
stuck moth
there are definitely structured sections like download links, pictures and product listings
dusty citrus
When in doubt, look at your users (authors): Will they find it easier to craft a guide in MD or RST?
sweet fiber
gah see .. too many bloody options ...
@dusty citrus yeah .. that's where I'd side with MD ..
dusty citrus
especially newer (nonexperienced) users?
stuck moth
@dusty citrus right now the authors use the web interface which we can always back convert to whatever
sweet fiber
yuk!
dusty citrus
You expect 'pull requests' so 'end users' will see the raw stuff, ... not your web interface.
sweet fiber
notepad++ for Limor, vi/nano/etc for everyone else 😛
@dusty citrus precisely ..
its gotta be clean, simple ..
stuck moth
limor uses the web interface for guides
sweet fiber
dont tell me that's custom code too?!
-shudder-
isn't RST related to man page format?
stuck moth
its all html underneath but has a couple wysiwyg editors
dusty citrus
If I'm a newbie at guides (but domain knowledgable about 'chip XYZ') and I want to contribute a bug fix/suggestion to a guide, which will be easier for me to add to: MD or RST?
sweet fiber
I -hated- that ...
stuck moth
I don't think MD is extensible enough
dusty citrus
Or am I wrong that that is your desired END goal to even make this worthwhile to discuss?
sweet fiber
I think the guide text is the bit thats accessible .. the rest of the *** formatting should be handled by a template
so its less important what the overall layout looks like ...
because thats Taken Care Of™
dusty citrus
I'm picturing Guides have repo with /code and /guide sections, yes?
so that /code is where project code will go, maybe an /images section?
stuck moth
my idea would be to allow continued editing through the webpage but back it with github
sweet fiber
I can see @stuck moth 's issie though .. how w much extra info do you actually have to manually write ..
dusty citrus
so you do want to host it on github?
stuck moth
so those of us comfortable with github can contribute directly
dusty citrus
or only the project code? So guide text too?
stuck moth
I'm ok with github hosting
sweet fiber
just mirror it on github .. I really wouldn't sell-out to github with their ever-changing ToS .. that's a recipe for disaster, imho
stuck moth
we'd use webhooks to mirror it to our server for serving
sweet fiber
and I'm trying to talk gentoo out of taking that route ..
dusty citrus
if you wanna use github, go Jekyll.... so that's MD.
stuck moth
I wouldn't serve directly from github
sweet fiber
"oh just slap it up on github" .. yeah thats wonderful until github decides unilaterally to Go Its Own Way ..
dusty citrus
the advantage is you leverage github hosting (until you don't)
stuck moth
as long as you have another copy why not use github?
sweet fiber
hosting (if you're competant) is fairly trivial .. of course .. it you're not competatnt .. leverage those who are .. LOL
sweet fiber
you can shoehorn travis in too .. LOL
stuck moth
#useallthethings
dusty citrus
default Jekyll theme that looks Adafruit-y...
sweet fiber
na, manual skin.
stuck moth
markdown isn't very extensible though
sweet fiber
this is the other advantage of sel-fhost .. absolute control
@stuck moth how is RST by contrast?
I think you're thinking too complicated ...
stuck moth
it is extensible
sweet fiber
you only need a basic framework for the text content
stuck moth
I'm thinking about the different block types that make up a guide
sweet fiber
if you're going to outsource the whole guide creation (which is cool., don't get me wrong) you're looking at another tool
dusty citrus
another user comment: "Unless you use RST regularly, Markdown is the way to go imo. I use both. Took me awhile to become productive with Sphinx. Everytime I go back to update something I have to figure it out again."
RST isn't as friendly. If you want pull requests...
sweet fiber
right...
dusty citrus
decide what your end goal is... design backwards.
sweet fiber
I think we're straying from the KISS principles here ... 😉
which was why I was thinking of a simple framework 😛
we're not putting satellites into orbit here ...
stuck moth
yeah, I love markdown but it can't convey things like "include something from somewhere else" and "link to this product in an embed"
dusty citrus
if you want to use version control, you need a markup language.
sweet fiber
^ this.
dusty citrus
You can't?
stuck moth
not that I know of with markdown
sweet fiber
you just need a few custom tags, surely?
if you set the bar too high, people just won't come ...
stuck moth
how do you do custom tags in markdown?
dusty citrus
sweet fiber
hence the Gentoo problem .. quizzes and all that 😄
@stuck moth and that, together with the psycho who is the current sole recruiter, is why I'm not a gentoo dev 😄
stuck moth
ah interesting @dusty citrus
sweet fiber
I've even met her irl, and spent time on Hangouts .. she certainly is ... Speshul 😃
dusty citrus
sweet fiber
wow I have one super-epic thunderbird crash backtrace going on here LOL
@dusty citrus lgtm 😄
you could then leverage travis/etc to check that the link-tags worked 😄
stuck moth
cool! that could work
I'm open to it
if you can convert our existing guides to it then its enough
dusty citrus
https://github.com/waylan/Python-Markdown/wiki/Third-Party-Extensions (lots of potentially useful items there too. Maybe some custom Adafruit-y one that links to product ID, for instance
if adding a markdown link to an Adafruit product was just [Adafruit:3333]
and that autolinked to https://www.adafruit.com/product/3333 (and grabbed the title, etc)
stuck moth
or fancier embeds: https://learn.adafruit.com/gemma-m0-sheikah-pendant#parts-and-components
sweet fiber
yeah that -should- be mostly doable .. but needs some smart templating to make it Simple ..
I can already see the Lean site is getting cluttered ..
learn*
dusty citrus
Yeah, most of that is either markdown-ish now, or would be a special case
sweet fiber
right ^
the individual guides have a bit of commonality with the likes of instructables, etc
which are quite clear
dusty citrus
Yeah, Markdown wins, I think.
And keeps it really clean... worst case, won't render without an extension.
and allows folks to easily submit pull requests with clean text changes.
sweet fiber
you can't expect everything to render without its host framework .. you think Facebook are using offline WYSIWYG editors? oh hell no ! lol
that's why all these tools have the facility to host the framework baked-in 😄
dusty citrus
You expect users to edit 'raw code' and make improvements.
so it needs to be 'mostly' readable.
sweet fiber
hopefully it won't be the raw code . or the framework .. just the editable/dynamic/variable content of each guide 😄
which you can slot into whatever framework you create 😄
stuck moth
raw editing is nice but ideally it'd still work through the learn system
dusty citrus
it's code, it'll all be mixed. Needs to be simple enough.
sweet fiber
right
dusty citrus
@stuck moth I was picturing someone grabbing a copy via git, editting a text file of 'guide', and making pull request.
sweet fiber
@stuck moth theoretically if the syntax is simple enough, you can lash up a simple new 'Learn create' interface for the non-techie people .. everyone else will just Get It .. [hopefully!]
@dusty citrus precisely!
dusty citrus
if I get code and guide at once....
stuck moth
yeah, I'd love to be able to edit it directly
dusty citrus
git checkout adafruitprojectX
I can submit a guide improvement or tweak the code... and git pull it all.
stuck moth
yup, not everyone knows/loves git though
sweet fiber
you could, theoretically, have git checkout learn.backend though .. I would honestly keep them all separate
well .. I thought we were talking about github here?! 😛
dusty citrus
nano guide, "If the above doesn't work, try XYZ"
sweet fiber
it has no pointy-clicky stuff 😄
sweet fiber
there is a tortoisegit interface .. does it play nice with github?
tbh, I find it faster from a command-line though
dusty citrus
they all play nice with github 😃
sweet fiber
well sure .. git push, voila! :
dusty citrus
and Github Desktop puts a mac spin on it, for example.
stuck moth
so thats the challenge 😃
dusty citrus
Hmm, Atom would do it all.
An Atom AdafruitLearn Plugin
git support, markdown, the works.
cross platform.
One stop shop
stuck moth
yup yup
dusty citrus
And you'd only have to support the keybits for adafruit, leverage all the rest.
stuck moth
yup yup
dusty citrus
Average user could easily click to 'edit the guide' (if code and guide are together, they get it all...)
They find a mistake, they add a correction (That's Red, not Blue... don't cut the blue wire!!!)... and commit, and PR
If they find mistake in code, exact same process.
stuck moth
👍
dusty citrus
code and guide in one place.
so easy to keep updated.
And if they take to a new place, they can fork the whole thing...
I'm thinking of the POIs guides as a perfect example.
There are 3-4 guides, built on the base, and now that code has all of it in one repo...
elfin wave
It would be great to be able to submit corrections to guides!
I know I'm late to the party. But there have been a handful of times I've noticed a typo/grammatical error.
stuck moth
@elfin wave there is email feedback but no way to edit it directly
sweet fiber
oh Atom .. yes, that nighmare LOL
.. good old Electron .. we were having a discussion about that in another Discord LOL
but sure .. in principle .. 😄
gloomy pilot
night crescent
testing chat for wirecast
another test ****************************************************************
crude trench
peach / pit ?
(and to win)
looks like this works quite well
it's okay, I've heard that word before, yanno.
bit o lag
so is there less lag on voice?
runic elbow
Well, at least the robot's trying.
midnight perch
Hah! Thanks for sticking up for the clumsy robot, @runic elbow (It's really incredibly good, but it shows how much the last 1% precision in walking / object placement / limb use matters.)
elfin wave
it's the falling over at the end that gets me
midnight perch
I admit I laughed hard at that. It's so human in failure and humiliation. :>
elfin wave
I have my ham license!! KD2NZQ
alas, I have a group D license (2x3, 2 letters, my state number, 3 letters). probably because there are so many people in NYS that they ran out of the 2x2s.
elfin wave
it was a mix of "not as bad as I thought" and "harder than I thought". the test itself I got didn't have much of the stuff I was weak on (antenna design, etc)... just one question about decibels that I had forgotten to study for
woven sparrow
😱
Yeah, I feel like I'm drinking from a firehose of electronics and radio wave knowledge
elfin wave
luckily for me I don't really ever need to worry about SWR, etc... I bought a $25 Baofeng 5R on amazon and that should do me
abstract violet
@polar wraith hey m8, did you say you had a macro lens for your DSLR? (cant recall) -- if so which one?
polar wraith
@abstract violet I need a macro lens for the DSLR....
abstract violet
@polar wraith ah! my bad. Same here 😄 -- have you looked into any? (using reverse lens method atm)
polar wraith
@abstract violet Thinking about this one. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/810414-USA/Nikon_2200_40_mm_f_2_8G_AF_S.html
abstract violet
@polar wraith aw, here's where im canon envy .. their option has a built in ringlight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v5gS7J1ohM
sudden sapphire
Hello!
stuck moth
hi @sudden sapphire
sudden sapphire
I fee l I have gone back to 1994 and stepped back into IRC
how are you, @stuck moth
sudden sapphire
sure does
stuck moth
how are you?
sudden sapphire
great, thanks
stuck moth
😃
runic elbow
Look at all the onion I got from a single onion bulb!
stuck moth
how did you do that? did you split it somehow?
runic elbow
I don't know. It just grew like that.
I knew these onions were supposed to multiply, but this is a little ridiculous.
runic elbow
They are good for a lot of stuff.
I like to put them in sour cream for peirogis. A word I can't spell.
runic elbow
I have chive and rhubabrb. And a spider plant.
I learned that chive is almost indestructable when it comes to weather.
stuck moth
I also have some small pepper plants but who knows if they'll get enough heat here to ripen
wow! super hardy
stuck moth
😃
runic elbow
Eh, maybe tomorrow. I don't have the stuff needed at the moment.
Or maybe I could take the soil from the onion I picked and put it in a plastic cup.
stuck moth
for a new spider plant?
stuck moth
heh, that'll be a jungle
runic elbow
Yep.
Spider plants all over the place in probably little over a year.
Or however long it would take an army of spider plants to grow.
stuck moth
I can't imagine its too long
runic elbow
Probably not.
stuck moth
?queue
solar ridgeBOT
stuck moth
?queue list
solar ridgeBOT
The queue is empty.
stuck moth
solar ridgeBOT
You should be in a voice channel first.
stuck moth
solar ridgeBOT
Failed to get search results.
stuck moth
solar ridgeBOT
Failed to get search results.
stuck moth
solar ridgeBOT
Failed to get search results.
stuck moth
song playing is still broken 😦
bold turtle
Someone convince me I shouldn't encase my CPX in a block of acrylic to use as a coaster with REALLY SPIFFY light effects?
stuck moth
make sur eyou can reach the usb port and reset button
bold turtle
@stuck moth you are a horrible, HORRIBLE enabler
my smoke test was "can I make it spin the neopixels", which I did, in LadyAda Pink, of course....
runic elbow
Is it possible to change the start up noise of Windows 7? Or is it one of those things that require hacking the operating system?
fair summit
runic elbow
Thank you.
dusty citrus
ogredrew, 3dprinted case, with thin enough top (or extra thick there?) that drink pushes on button(s), to make it light up.
I wonder if the temperature sensor could help too. If you put a hot drink, it lights up redder, a cold drink, it lights up bluer?
This sounds like a great CPX project: Circuit Playground Coaster
I wonder if you could detect the drink getting empty.... and have it shout for more.
bold turtle
@dusty citrus hrm... semi-thick ish translucent on the sides, with maybe a plexi insert in the top. buttons facing down so they're still accessable, with reflective stuff on the bottom to make light bounce... not sure how much you could get out of the termal sensor, but a pressure sensor to detect weight of cup would be a reasonably easy add on, pure analog logic I think...
dusty citrus
I'd do it lights up, make the drink push down on buttons, much easier.
someone did a case, where the CPX button were pushable. I think if you did it with Flex, it would be water tight still, but still allow pushing down on buttons.
lost condor
TIL there's a mini HDMI and a micro HDMI standard.
I discovered this when the mini HDMI cable I bought on Amazon didn't fit into my camera.
dusty citrus
yup, small and smaller.
lost condor
Yeah. 😄
Luckily it works for the Pi Zero, so I'll just pretend that was my plan all along.
dusty citrus
You can get an adapter, but likely a second cable makes more sense.
lost condor
Yeah, I ordered a micro today
runic elbow
Fun fact: Windows 2000: Copyright 1985-1999
indigo jetty
How will you power these coasters 
dusty citrus
@indigo jetty Beer? Yes, Beer Power is viable. Or maybe a nice strong cup of tea. (Infinite Improbability Drive reference)
indigo jetty
@graceful bear the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems
@dusty citrus
Whoops sorry umpty!
indigo jetty
I live just outside a small town called Athlone (well big by Irish standards)
It's about 150km West of Dublin and 100km east of Galway (I work in Galway)
It's considered the center of Ireland
indigo jetty
@abstract violet picked up a macro lens today 😂
abstract violet
@indigo jetty I was actually thinking of just using my phone too!
midnight perch
Brian L, I see it now, sort of mid M6. Very different scale from (my part of) Canada; we went up to the family cottage recently and the drive is about twice the distance across Ireland. (Dublin<->Galway at least.) That doesn't even get us out of the southern part of the province of Ontario.
abstract violet
nice keychain btw
indigo jetty
Another one of today's purchases 😋
abstract violet
Using the 40mm Nikkor 3D printed adaptor
polar wraith
That's nice, @abstract violet!
indigo jetty
That's awesome
abstract violet
Gonna try the 80mm one next and see how it goes
abstract violet
@indigo jetty just find something that blinks and tear it down >:)
indigo jetty
I'm in my car (parked) I could start tearing it apart!
abstract violet
@indigo jetty oh! X) 🚔
abstract violet
scans finger print
indigo jetty
I'm actually very impressed with it!
abstract violet
I think tested did a video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u4ZLGsw1zo
indigo jetty
I was waiting around for my fiance to get out of surgery, and just got the call that everything went well. It nothing serious or anything, just a routine thing but it's still a worrying couple of hours no matter how much you try be rational about it!
polar wraith
Glad everything is ok!
abstract violet
@indigo jetty do you have a raspberry pi camera? I wanted to get one of those lens kits with wide angle
@indigo jetty !! I'm glad it went well! And yeah -- hard to really keep your thoughts still when you're playing the waiting game
indigo jetty
I do @abstract violet I'll try it out for you either later or tomorrow
Thanks @abstract violet and @polar wraith
It's kind of interesting, this time last year we were still here when my daughter was born
She sure has changed a lot!
abstract violet
Was it rainy then too 😄
polar wraith
Yeah, it's tough to just let them sit there!
indigo jetty
@abstract violet no memory card in my pi so I'll have to set it up
No idea where it is!
Or more accurately why it's not in the pi
bold turtle
@indigo jetty because SD cards are wiley bastages
indigo jetty
@bold turtle haha
May aswell try out try the zero w
Actually the download is a bit big, I'll do it when I'm going to bed
abstract violet
what's the download? @Brian L#1211
indigo jetty
5gb or something?
abstract violet
oh O_o
idle iron
I'm watching battlebots and was wondering why I haven't seen any cool weapons so i read the rules and now see why. Is there an underground battlebots....
EMPs, radio jamming, and explosive projectiles? I'd pay money to watch...
If there is such a thing I'll bet it's filmed in China where regulations aren't as stricks as USA.
midnight perch
I have a lot of respect for Chinese engineering and manufacturing, but I do not think they can spell MSDS.
So I bet that's legit.
Is that conductive ink, by any chance?
indigo jetty
its flux, maybe
faint glacier
Hey, is there anyone here who can help with something? I have a puzzle that I want to do a blind test on before I unleashed it.
rough parrot
@faint glacier I can try to help?
faint glacier
I just need someone to try and solve it and see if i van get some feedback.
rough parrot
Ok, how do I do that?
faint glacier
Context: the person who gave you this is a cyborg that is approximately 80% artificial. You know this "Christina" has a grudge against her. You know that the cyborg was attacked by one of Christina's lackeys and that Christina is a manipulative and controlling person.
You also know that Christina was publicly humiliated after her criminal activity was exposed.
rough parrot
I don't see anything except numbers
<< YmVhdCB5b3VyIHNrdWxsIHdpdGggcGFpbg== >>
<< cGFpbiB3b3JkczogYmFsdGltb3JlIGhhY2tlcnNwYWNl >>
<< WW91J3JlIG5vdCBhbGxvd2VkIHRvIHRoaW5rIGFib3V0IHRoaXMgbXkgZGVhcjsgc28gZ28gYWhlYWQgYW5kIHRha2UgYSBzZWF0LiBQYWluIHdpbGwgY29tZSBpZiB5b3UgdHJ5IHRvIHJlYWQgdGhpcy4gSSdtIG5vdCBhcyBzdHVwaWQgYXMgeW91IHNheSB0aGF0IEkgYW0u >>
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and letters
Is this what it's supposed to look like?
rough parrot
Hmm, might need someone more qualified then. 😕
bold turtle
did you try ROT13?
rough parrot
Still, I have no idea how to do anything like that. Sorry about that!
faint glacier
"Geez, I can't even look at this thing without it giving me a massive headache. Maybe there's something in those Base64 encoded strings at the top... I dunno."
bold turtle
nope, not ROT13
tiny moat
?help
solar ridgeBOT
The prefix for adafruit is ?
You can find a list of commands at https://www.dynobot.net/commands
tiny moat
?
bold turtle
<< beat your skull with pain>>
<< pain words: baltimore hackerspace>>
<< You're not allowed to think about this my dear; so go ahead and take a seat. Pain will come if you try to read this. I'm not as stupid as you say that I am. >>
Hrm... the lower block is tricky
@faint glacier can I get a(nother) hint?
viral spruce
no need to hint the MetroX kit anymore 😄
faint glacier
"Pain words Baltim----GYAH!!! Ok, well, now I know what that means... Why would... Maybe that chip she left in my spine does more than mute me. Still, why would she not want me to fully use those words. Maybe a key of some kiIIIKN----GYAH!!!"
<<Direct Neural Interface Interrupted>>
gray pilot
Text format test to see if bold and italic work.
yup
So if I want to underline a word. I can.
How about italic and bold and underline all together.
'one line code block'
nope
one line code block
yup
do we have color
yup
midnight perch
I have a bad habit from IRC.
I type "/me performs an action"
Outcome here seems to involve italics.
I'm sure I'll be fine.
xargs -a <(awk '/^\s*[^#]/' "$packagelist") -r -- sudo apt-get install
dusty citrus
knows what you mean.
midnight perch
Oh!
thinks it works fine if you select Appearance | [X] Compact fit #IRC
Now you do not see each user's avatar on each line, which could be better or worse, depending.
spice moss
depends how fast have being typed
it kinda stack them together so only need one avatar there if it come from sameuser in small period of time
dusty citrus
I used the option to never display avatars. A few weeks back.
spice moss
@dusty citrus like IRC style?
dusty citrus
Janisku7: yes, I think they used that term to offer it.
midnight perch
It's hard to argue with #IRC features because it has been in use continuously since 1992 or so, and so has experienced a lot more evolution and improvement than most chat protocols.
UI, security, protocols, and many other aspects.
dusty citrus
appearance: compact.
We used a *cough* secure server similar to IRC. Can't recall the name of it.
..later..
silc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SILC_%28protocol%29
spice moss
there is twitch desktop app what have servers too like this discord
midnight perch
Lots of IRC servers and clients now have SSL compiled in, seems to work fine for lots of people.
🇨🇦
does not wave his flag.
idle iron
Shipping stuff from Adafruit to where I live in CA takes longer then if I lived somewhere in Hawaii... Anyone know of a good distributer in my area(California)?
abstract violet
viral spruce
@idle iron https://www.adafruit.com/distributors
idle iron
thank you
abstract violet
@daring knot found a lady in tux 😄
viral spruce
@abstract violet broad city? yass
abstract violet
@viral spruce yeess 😄 new season soon 😄
idle iron
={ Non of the distributors listed had the product I was looking for. They don't carry many Adafruit items.
This were PATIENCE is a most >.>
daring knot
@abstract violet ooh! and https://media.giphy.com/media/LRE06PqRlMX7O/giphy.gif too. (Janel Monae, "Tightrope", killer tune)
spice moss
Finns wave this flag this year so proud 🇫🇮 because of Finland 100
abstract violet
@daring knot ! It is! I really like the dancing on that video 😄
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6_svRNJYls pretty awesome video on PCB manufacturing.
elfin wave
the thumbnail for https://youtu.be/pHWi-MtXKs4 has an intense @swift hatch
midnight perch
@spice moss Congratulations! 🇫🇮 100 years and 🇨🇦 150 years in 2017!
dusty citrus
The truth is to be found in oatmeal.
midnight perch
is a Canadian of Finnish heritage, so is celebrating both.
dusty citrus
Is today a particular day in history?
abstract violet
which part of canada @midnight perch , east coast?
midnight perch
No, I'm on the Great Lakes in Toronto.
nis: No, Canada Day is the anniversary, on 1 July.
Finland's independence upcoming on 6 December, unless Janisku7 tells us otherwise. 😃
dusty citrus
Let's see .. camelids (llamas) migrated out of S. America across Alaska to the Gobi desert; humans migrated in the other direction.
dusty citrus
Haha. Yeah the 'at the same time/place' assumption is a big one to watch out for.
midnight perch
Camels are different enough from llamas that I'm going to backdate that speciation event quite a bit. 😃
dusty citrus
I forget how the other camels got to the arab world, but first stop had to be Mongolia (or near there).
The only thing I remember is that while they migrated west, so many other species migrated east through beringia.
midnight perch
There are camelids in Australia too. (I just learned.)
Oh, they are feral.
The family diversified and prospered, but remained confined to the North American continent until only about two or three million years ago, when representatives arrived in Asia
^^ Wikipedia.
dusty citrus
All that by way of understanding prehistoric human migration in northern north america.
I'm drawing a blank prior to dorset culture.
midnight perch
As well you should.
You mean, who were the people who became the PaleoEskimo?
Because before the Dorset Culture I don't think there were humans in the Arctic.
Hence the blank. 😃
I wish we could ask them. 😦
dusty citrus
There's another group, I thought. Maybe not. There was a whole thing about which direction (east to west, or west to east) crossing the N Atlantic.
midnight perch
Lots of speculation, like that thing recently indicating humans had been here in N. America 130,000 years ago.
Easy to find hints that suggest something is worth looking at, but hard to prove anything like that.
I'm sticking with the ~ 16,000 YBP migration during the last interglacial.
dusty citrus
Definitely. I lived very close by the Clovis dig, and didn't think to visit or inquire.
midnight perch
Oh neat.
dusty citrus
I used to stop there on my motorcycle. I assumed it was off-limits so I never walked in the .. 100 or 200 yards to see the site itself.
midnight perch
Area where I live has been heavily invaded and recolonized repeatedly, so it's hard to go back much more than the group before the modern Native inhabitants like the Mississauga.
dusty citrus
There's a very large amount of unused land near Clovis. If anything, cattle might have grazed there in the modern era -- no human artifacts from recent (post-European migration) period, for like, 2-3 km at a stretch, there. It'd be surface stuff like irrigation equipment.
Today, maybe more developed, though.
midnight perch
I'm remembering now. This is New Mexico?
dusty citrus
Yes, it's about halway between Lubbock and Amarillo, and say 60 miles west of both.
It's on the state line.
midnight perch
Arid section, if I recall. When I visited Texas someone told me it hadn't rained in Amarillo in 2 years.
That's probably good for archeology. But how did people without irrigation live there?
Heh, also good for motorcycles. 😃
dusty citrus
The site itself is part of an ancient runoff basin or something like that. It does snow there! I've been caught in thunderstorms, too (I remember the hail rather specifically).
midnight perch
Irrigated by flashflood then. Yikes.
dusty citrus
midnight perch
I guess that would be a lot better than permanent desert.
Where do you live now, nis?
midnight perch
Which is important, because you drydock your missile sub there.
er, subs.
Not helpful to have only one. 😃
dusty citrus
Yeah, on the hilltop so 'the' tsunami won't get it.
We go from 600' to 1100' or so, around here, in elevation.
There are lots of 400 ft ascents by bicycle. I've done up to 1350 ft. per day.
midnight perch
passed through Groton, down on the coast, but has not much other experience in CT.
dusty citrus
(Can't go continuously uphill, though, to make it to 1350' in a day).
midnight perch
Hence my submarine comment.
dusty citrus
Hehe. I was in Groton on Tuesday.
It was really annoying to try to use Google Maps to find the Wal*Mart there.
I finally concluded we gave up too soon and that it was necessary to go around to the back of the only apparent shopping center. And there it was.
checks if he's still offtopic. Hahah.
midnight perch
That joke never gets old. (It was always old.)
dusty citrus
I was explaining Penrose's Andromeda Paradox today, to a friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rietdijk%E2%80%93Putnam_argument
Always old is a very interesting concept.
midnight perch
Well, I have a pretty self-centred definition of "always". Like, the primordial lithium was always old.
dusty citrus
If it's fairly constant over your own lifetime, that's a pretty decent working 'always'.
abstract violet
@dusty citrus interesting concept indeed! makes me think of quantum physics ~
midnight perch
The Andromeda Paradox only makes sense to me if the car is driving very fast. It isn't immediately obvious to me how it occurs unless we are talking about people walking down the street at relativistic speeds, or events that occur sub-microseconds apart. Is there some amplfication due to the 2.5 million light year distance to Andromeda?
dusty citrus
Huge amplification, yes.
but even the slightest movement of the head or offset in distance between observers can cause the three-dimensional universes to have differing content
Simultaneity starts with two lightning strikes equidistant from a moving train (say, just north and south of the train running on a n-s track)
Einstein asks what the difference is between the person on the railway carriage (moving) and the one on the embankment (train platform).
His book "Relativity" is worth a read. Written for a general public audience.
So, a plane of simultaneity is the set of all events, 'everywhere' that are happening 'now'.
midnight perch
The train thought experiement works fine for me.
dusty citrus
I think Penrose suggests that at the distance of Andromeda, that delta-NOW can be a full day in length, for very low relative velocites between two passing (proximal) observers.
The implication seems to be that two very different moments in time may exist .. simultaneously. 'NOW'.
I could have that wrong, as I suspect Penrose doesn't believe it himself.
midnight perch
That's why it's a paradox; it's trying to tell us something is wrong with special relativity.
But I guess my failing is that I always imagined the train as a normal-size train going a relativistic speed, never as a million-light-year long train.
Going normal speeds.
dusty citrus
That andromeda argument makes no sense to me.
Right right right right right.
rofl million ly long train!
abstract violet
doesnt light year measure time not distance? -- very time-lengthy train?
dusty citrus
scruf, I pay attention to it because Penrose has brought it up more than once in passing.
dusty citrus
It's not a paradox though... it's merely requires allowing perspectives to see different things...
A light year is the distance a photo travels in 365.25 days (or so).
if you and I stand in slightly different places, I might see something you can't see, right?
An AU is the earth-sun distance. Solar system radius is 40 AU.
abstract violet
just used to hearing/using AU over ly
midnight perch
An AU is only 8 light minutes.
dusty citrus
extending that perspective to light years lengths, of course we'll see different things.
midnight perch
They are different by a factor of ~63,000.
dusty citrus
Robert Burnham, Jr. has a great write-up of these scales of time/distance.
midnight perch
nis -- photon not photo. 😃 I know you knew that.
abstract violet
plays a game called eve where AU is the standard measurement of distance
dusty citrus
photos contain more than one photon 😃
midnight perch
Except very bad photos, yes. 😃
dusty citrus
Hehe. Google this:
burnham galaxy size of north america
or this:
"hong kong in millionths"
and look for this:
Search Results
Burnham's Celestial Handbook, Volume One: An Observer's Guide
Turn to Chapter 2 on Page 13 "We are beginning a journey"
midnight perch
scruffynerf: "see different things" is clear and non-paradoxical from the train thought experiment.
nis: I'm planning a solar system model in which the speed of light is a moderate walk.
So the 1 AU takes 8 minutes to walk, in no particular hurry.
dusty citrus
okay, that works well.
I have one for the age of (any type of) life on earth.
Basically the child is 4.5 feet tall. Her sock line (above ankle) is where life began; her height being the age of the Earth (4.5 billion).
Thickness of her scalp is generously mapped to the existence of our species.
midnight perch
hah!
abstract violet
;p
dusty citrus
I haven't thought of that one in a while. I think it's correct.
midnight perch
Bacteria only from sock cuff to eyebrows, I bet.
When you get right down to it, life is basically about the bacteria.
abstract violet
plays carl sagan in the background as I read the chat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
dusty citrus
yeah, I don't remember where multi-cell orgs arise. 560 mya I think. Maybe earlier.
midnight perch
One model I actually made starts with the Sun as one of those big exercise balls you can sit on or do pushups on.
Sun diameter == 60 cm
dusty citrus
Hehe. I'm way off. That 560 mya event is ...Cambrian explosion
midnight perch
You can't do much with the interplanetary distances but it puts both moderate asteroids and Jupiter within the range of things you can touch.
(Fine talc for most asteroids. Fine sand for big ones. )
dusty citrus
Well eastpole I think the big whoa for the layman is that Saturn is so much further out than is Jupiter (which ain't too shabby in its own right, so far as distances go).
Marge Visits Every Monday Just Stays Until Noon.
midnight perch
I think the Earth vs. Sun size is also a revelation, but that might be because I mostly do this model with primary school kids.
The interstellar distances I do with planets strung out along a 10 meter rope. Yes, inner solar system vs. outer solar system gives them some scale whiplash. 😃
dusty citrus
Burnham has some good scale models in that passage. Every time I reread it I re-remember where I had it wrong. again.
midnight perch
Er, interplanetary ^^ not interstellar.