general-chat

[delicate stream]

https://tenor.com/view/gir-invader-zim-idontknow-idk-gif-5412716

[raw jasper]

That's one way to look at things :P

What's your favorite MCU?

[potent stream]

Does anyone here know of a good GUI that might exist for my raspberry pi touchscreen that works to control a pihole? I am tinkering around and have pihole running on a dedicated linux server, but it would be cool to have my little raspberry pi screen to start or stop the server.

[delicate stream]

RP2040!

[raw jasper]

Nice! I've never used one, or any of the modern MCUs for that matter. Last MCU I ever used was the atmega328P! Do you program it in Python, or directly write C/C++ for it?

[delicate stream]

CircuitPython, my best friend

[raw jasper]

I'm actually writing python rn. Sadly, not the circuit variety.

[delicate stream]

Lose enough, lol

[raw jasper]

Autocorrect actually improved this sentence 😂

Now it reads more like, "it's your loss" :P

[delicate stream]

I meant close XD

[raw jasper]

I've been thinking of getting one of those cheap Chinese RISC-V devboards -- It might be fun to play around with the architecture a little

[delicate stream]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[raw jasper]

The real problem would be to actually find time to play around with it 🙃

[delicate stream]

Lol, that’s always a challenge

[raw jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/time-change-daylight-savings-daffy-duck-time-summer-time-gif-16528185

[delicate stream]

Gotta build a time machine

[raw jasper]

Next time on The Onion: Local Person Finds A Way To Reverse Entropy Just To Have More Time For Personal Projects

[rapid geode]

just wait it out a few more million years and days will be 30h long.

[static flare]

I mean, over here today will be 25 hours long

[raw jasper]

?

[static flare]

Why would a day be longer or shorter than usual?

[raw jasper]

Ah, you live in Australia somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere.

So~rry!

[delicate stream]

Actually charging hours, lol

[late fulcrum]

On it.

[delicate stream]

These little heating pads don’t get as hot as I hoped DX

They hit like 100F max without touching anything, and don’t seem to draw the full 1A they’re supposed to at 5V

[late fulcrum]

I guess you could sandwich one in insulating material and see if it reaches a higher temperature, but that way lies unintended combustion

[delicate stream]

Not sure why it wouldn’t draw the specified 1A…

[late fulcrum]

It could be a PTC device that self-regulates. If so, it might draw the specified current in a cold enough environment

[whole jacinth]

heh the "Starfruit" brand concept is really amusing to me because i'm pretty sure that a star fruit (carambola) is what the actual Adafruit logo design is modeled after

[steady dove]

https://tenor.com/view/its-fine-dog-fine-dog-fire-meme-gif-16250404

[umbral phoenix]

or Adabucks (coffee and...)

[whole jacinth]

i think most metallic conductors have a positive temperature coefficient of resistance, so if you want to see it draw more current, maybe try putting it somewhere really cold? or pulse it briefly at room temperature while monitoring the current waveform and see what the initial current surge peaks at

[whole jacinth]

if you look at the datasheets for the actual textile, it gives various (higher) currents and temperatures at higher input voltages

[lusty fossil]

Work tool pouch

[tardy badger]

That looks really slick

[lusty fossil]

I'm gonna ask the guy to add a a loop further down

It sits too low

[tardy badger]

Unsurprising

[lusty fossil]

50 bucks.

[tardy badger]

That’s not bad. Custom work?

[lusty fossil]

Yup

I handed him my tools, we discussed options, and it was ready 4 hours later

[tardy badger]

Very nice! My oldest brother has some experience working leather

[lusty fossil]

It's super fun

[fierce prawn]

Made a removable top incase I need to reflash circuitpython
Case for my latest project

[raw jasper]

Love the everyday carry crab tool (is that what they call it in English? No idea, it's "crab" in my native language, and I never had a need to name it in English 😅 )

[lusty fossil]

Pliers!

Crab tool is going into my lexicon though

[raw jasper]

TIL this tool is "pliers" too

"Crab tool" sounds more badass though :P

[tardy badger]

And now all I see is the person using them walking like a crab in between areas they use their pliers

[lusty fossil]

HR talked to me about that. I'm not allowed anymore.

[raw jasper]

You now have to name it "ferris", after the rust crab logo

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-squat-walking-gif-7554391

[fierce prawn]

@tardy badger is this good

[tardy badger]

🤷‍♂️

If it works for you, it’s good

[ebon dew]

Got some qt py lipo boards from some random maker on tindie today.

😁

[tardy badger]

checks Tindie email

Ah

[ebon dew]

Saw your post on twitter and picked some up. I like how they extend past the end.

Got a synth plug for the macropad from todbot too.

Wish Tindie had a category for circuit python.

[tardy badger]

Yeah same

Would be super convenient

[fierce prawn]

Keyswitch dimensions is 1.5cm x 1.5 cm right?

[ebon dew]

For which key switches? Are you asking for pcb footprint? Adafruit usually has that stuff documented in the product page or learn guide download.

[rapid geode]

Is there a common place people get electronics cabinets to mount things like din rails? I've seen people do the rubbermaid thing, but i want something a bit more permanent and kick proof .

[tardy badger]

Digi-Key sells din rail enclosures I believe

[rapid geode]

yes but i think the prices are horrible. ill check again though

sometiems they surprise me

[tardy badger]

Amazon had a few

Some pvc, some 19” rack mountable

https://www.polycase.com/din-rail-enclosures

Seems reasonable

[rapid geode]

plastic i think is a no go,

hmm

[tardy badger]

Not even NEMA enclosures that are for industrial applications?

[rapid geode]

im not sure. maybe it fine. the nema stuff i dont think matters much. i just know the drive heat up and i need to cut holes to put fans.

well one fan and one filter

since its little

my big machine had an actual refridgerator

[tardy badger]

I don’t see why it would be unreasonable to cut a fan/filter hole

[rapid geode]

yeah

plastic may well be fine. im just used to everything being 1/8" steel

haha

[tardy badger]

https://www.polycase.com/wh-32

Not sure how large you need

That thing is $80 but fairly sizable

[rapid geode]

12x16 x 8-10 inches deep is about right.

yeah too shallow

[fierce prawn]

Chery mx keyboard switches

[rapid geode]

you need the back plate, rails, the drive is 6" deep and it needs 2" in front of it

cherry spacing is 19.05mm on centre. the actual switch plate hole is 14mm

[fierce prawn]

so 1.50 cm width and height

[tardy badger]

https://www.polycase.com/zh-161407

[rapid geode]

15.6mm is the model i have, but its not a cad model from cherry directly.

i dont have calipers on my desk to measure one right now

[fierce prawn]

I only carved out 1.5cm
Should be able to force it in right?

[rapid geode]

im talking plate mount as well

can you explain what you are doing? you want clearance amount for a borad mount switch?

or the socket for a plate mount switch

[fierce prawn]

Top is for switch
Side for USB c

[rapid geode]

finest cardboardium alloy

[fierce prawn]

Is the hole enough for a cherry 3 pin switch

[rapid geode]

you need to answer my question first

[fierce prawn]

Yes

Its cardboard

[rapid geode]

that was not the question

haha

[fierce prawn]

Normal 3pin plate mount switch
The hotplug ones

[rapid geode]

ok. then you need a fairly precise 14mm square hole

15mm is too big

[fierce prawn]

But the docs says 15.6mm

Which is 1.56 cm

[rapid geode]

thats the outer diemnsion that sits on the plate. but the "snap" in clips need 14mm, and a 1.5ish mm thickness

or it will just fall out

[fierce prawn]

So mine 1.5 is ok?

[rapid geode]

NO

needs to be 14mm

15mm is way too big

if you cant be that precise, you are better to use the pcb as the structural mount

but then, that needs to be firmly secured to the housing

[fierce prawn]

Ok I have it taped to match alr

Would super glue hold it more firm

[rapid geode]

you could glue it in permanent i guess.

i mean, the cardboard is not going to hold it anyway. i am assuming thats just for testing

[fierce prawn]

I can hold my phone so I guess it can hold that too

[rapid geode]

a key switch is not a phone

anyhow

🙂

[fierce prawn]

It is lighter than a phone though

[rapid geode]

this would work, but its twice the price of the steel one. (in cdn dollars plus shipping)

[rapid geode]

untill you press it

hehe

[fierce prawn]

Tested pressure on the support point alr
Doesn't bend too much when I press it cz there's another cardboard under it

[rapid geode]

well, i guess there sone way to find out

[fierce prawn]

All things that could impact I tested alr

[delicate stream]

I just want them hotter XD trying to melt wax. Guess I’ll try 12V since they’re rated for that… I just thought it was weird that it said 5V would draw 1A but it was more like 600mA

[late fulcrum]

I suspect they're low-precision devices, and the spec might be for designers who want to know "what's the most current my transistor would have to handle if I'm powering this at 5V?" so it may be a maximum value, not a nominal one.

However, I'm (still) just guessing

[delicate stream]

Gonna connect to 12V and see if it catches fire

[late fulcrum]

I have been known to drive such devices from a current regulated supply so they'll get the current I specify, at whatever voltage required (within limits)

[delicate stream]

I wish I had a current regulated supply… I had one hooked up to USB, and my powered hub was putting out 5.27V, and it drew 530mA on that

The hub can do 1.5A

[late fulcrum]

Depending on the parts you have lying around and how much you enjoy that kind of tinkering, you can roll your own

I tried the top design first (current sensing resistor in the feedback loop of an op-amp), but eventually settled for the simpler 2-transistor lashup at the bottom.

Parts choices were (as always) driven more by whatever I had lying around than engineering.

[tardy badger]

This tends to be my mode of engineering as well

[raw jasper]

I just formally verified my first design. Exciting!

[fervent turtle]

was that last adafruit restock in feb? I might have to pay scalper prices

[steady dove]

@delicate stream 🙂

[tardy badger]

For which product?

[fervent turtle]

raspberry pi 4

8gb preferably

[elfin bridge]

I got mine relatively quickly from Digikey a few months ago. The ones I ordered from Mouser keep getting pushed back.

I placed orders with both because they allow backordering.

[bright veldt]

anyone know of any open source wireframing and diagramming software?
alternatives to lucidchart, justinmind, adobe, etc
I heard miro and penpot were pretty good, but you have to setup a penpot server. Figma too but I didnt really like it

[raw jasper]

How about dia?

[magic talon]

Sup guys

[magic talon]

Same

Im a hobby engineer/artist I guess

Guess I don’t have image perms or I would show ever body

[tardy badger]

Neat creation

Reminds me of the robots from Robots

https://tenor.com/view/robots-blue-sky-movie-2005-rodney-copperbottom-gif-19782715

[magic talon]

Thanks

It’s Bluetooth stereo and charging station

The first one caught fire 🔥 lol using what I had.. this one is safe though

The newest BT robot is called DaBruce and he is battery powered and I added a BMS to charge the batteries with are 3 18650 lithium ions

All went well but I think I killed the batteries

It recharged fine 3 times but super fast and may have overheated them

[magic talon]

See a need, fill a need

[quaint marsh]

Here’s my junkbots Skip and Bitzy

[glossy knoll]

Those are named as amazing as they look!

[quaint marsh]

Haha thank you. Naming was the hardest part!

They are fully animated.

Skip plays records and Bitzy does the digital stuff 🙂

[glossy knoll]

That's so cool! I have a couple random things like old printers... maybe that would be a good junkbot project! I don't need more projects but that's never stopped me before

[raw jasper]

I love them! :D

Seriously, thanks for showing them here, they're really charming designs

[quaint marsh]

Thanks so much! Very encouraging to hear 🙂

[quaint marsh]

I LOVE this guy, and their zen posture!

[magic talon]

I have rebuild him.. I’m done working out the kinks just need better speakers 🔊 hard to find 1 inch that don’t sound scratchy so imma add a low pass filter

[sharp nexus]

BUY DOGE!

[magic talon]

Love ur work also let’s be friends 🙂

[sharp nexus]

I mean Elon just changed the logo of twitter to DOGE

[magic talon]

No way

Yeah that’s a clear sign 🪧 @sharp nexus

It’s crazy how he can purposefully influence the markets

[dusty citrus]

If I wasn't so lazy, I would make a bot that tracks whatever that unfriendly word of musk says

[steady dove]

https://tenor.com/view/go-for-it-you-can-do-it-encourage-do-it-gif-14006408

[magic talon]

I can almost hear this some how

[steady dove]

Yeah me too!

[magic talon]

My favorite thing I have made so has was got to be =UwU= WattsonDaCat

These are exact dimensions… all steal aluminum and iron lamp with usb ports

The ears are held on by magnets… that’s why the aren’t in this pic I forgot
I don’t wanna spam so adios e ViaConDios Amigos

[tight copper]

how long does usps first class usually take?

[sharp nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/usually-people-love-me-or-they-hate-me-sarah-foti-ultimate-cowboy-showdown-people-either-love-me-or-hate-me-i-have-a-love-hate-relationship-with-people-gif-25477061

ATMEL ICE connect with Arduino - LOST - how to programm?

[tardy badger]

Usually 2-5 days

It depends

I’ve seen things go from Utah to Florida in 2 days, I’ve also seen it take the full 5 days

[tight copper]

ok, thank you

[late fulcrum]

Do you want to flash a bootloader to use the usual Arduino process, or do you want to flash a full custom image?

[sharp nexus]

fully customized ma man! 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/xzibit-eyebrow-pimp-my-ride-gif-13033577

[proven geode]

https://twitter.com/jessicard/status/1642671752319758336?s=20

jessica card (@jessicard)

i hooked up chatgpt to a furby and I think this may be the start of something bad for humanity

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[whole plover]

we just lost help-with-hw-design and help-with-projects?

also 3d printing yikes

and now linux-sbs

[static flare]

I can see all of them?

[whole plover]

have i been banned for some unknown reason?

those were the only chanels i posted in

[static flare]

No, click the arrow next to Help With

[whole plover]

lol 😆

that's twice i've done that now

[static flare]

It only shows you channels you have unread messages in if you don't

[whole plover]

thank ya

[tardy badger]

Lol… finally

[late fulcrum]

Basically the plot of "Into Your Tent I'll Sneak".

[raw jasper]

Personally, I prefer the furby organ

[late fulcrum]

I almost got to see it! I was visiting a friend a few miles away, but Sam was busy (for good reasons) and our schedules didn't align. A railroad strike made it unworkable for me to come back out when he was free.

[raw jasper]

D'aww, that's too bad

[tardy badger]

I saw this meme on the dying birb site and figured a few people would enjoy the dad humor

[urban arrow]

Hey all - I just found this older vid by Dan H which is really great. I've been doing CP for several months, and still learned a lot from this. Check it out : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rkM0Ow8Pkc

[edgy apex]

Another spinoff of my logical analyzer device/Twitter bot, a discord bot that takes a username and number of messages and then analyzes them and responds with fallacies if there are any.

[raw jasper]

How does it work?

[edgy apex]

The discord bot uses GPT3.5Turbo cuz it's 10x less than davinci which is less than GPT4. The prompt varies slightly by platform. I spent $1 in the last few days with 3.5 if I was using gpt4 it would have been $30

The Twitter bot is the most complex 2nd to the raspberry pi USB soundcard device that uses whisper for stt.

The main trick for the device is getting GPT to format the output so I can use regex on it and also turning the temperature to zero so there is no randomness in the responses

[ebon dew]

@urban arrow John Gallaugher has an excellent series of video tutorials for beginners to Circuit Python. I watch all of his videos because there's always some neat tips & tricks to pick up. He does go quite fast to pack as much into a short video. You are expected to pause/replay a lot if you're following along with a project to help digest the material. If he slowed things down his videos would be 3x times longer but thanks to youtube you have a pause buton. 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU1e6xPvZEU&list=PL9VJ9OpT-IPSsQUWqQcNrVJqy4LhBjPX2

[acoustic pawn]

Hacked mindflex headband -> MCU -> relay -> plug in air freshener

[ebon dew]

Did you just say you activated an air freshener with your mind?

[frigid tiger]

is mind-reading tech that good yet

[raw jasper]

As long as the user is trained to trigger a specific EEG potential, and the system is reliable enough to consistently record it, a simple "on/off switch" BCI can be constructed. As far as I know, the number of samples required to reliably do so is high enough for the baudrate of such an interface to be fairly low

[acoustic pawn]

The mindflex is reasonably good at detecting concentration levels. I guess you could threshold that. More of a silly idea than anything else tho

[flat tree]

can anyone tell me what cable's being used here to connect the bluefruit circuit board to the tft gizmo display?

[tardy badger]

They are using screws and nuts

The connector on the bottom with the black and red wires is the battery connector

[thick wind]

I don’t think the cable goes to the Tft gizmo, that’s a battery connector IIRC

It’s just bolted directly to the Bluefruit, the gizmo comes with m3 standoffs soldered to it, so the “cable” would be the M3 screws that hold them together.

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4367 shows it in a better view.

The 2-pin connector at the bottom of the gizmo is an amplifier output to connect to a speaker. 🔊

[flat tree]

Would you be able to help with the gizmo itself? I've been trying to get my TFT gizmo to display an image but nothing I do gets it to turn on, I thought maybe it was the pins, but could it be that the device is faulty?

The screws are tight I'm really not sure

What should turn it on, essentially?

[ancient rivet]

which circuit playground board are you using?

[flat tree]

bluefruit

[ancient rivet]

are you able to get the BOOT folder to show up if you double press reset?

[flat tree]

on the gizmo?

[ancient rivet]

on the circuit playground

BOOT folder shows up on your PC

[flat tree]

oh yeah I found it

[ancient rivet]

download and try the ready to go UF2 from here:
https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-tft-gizmo/tft-gizmo-test

the one for the bluefruit

drag the UF2 file to the BOOT folder

gizmo should look like example gif at top of page after UF2 is copied

[flat tree]

OMG THANK YOU!!!!

almost in tears lol I've been trying to figure this out for weeks

[ancient rivet]

if that does not work, then there is a connection or other hardware issue

[wanton thistle]

👀 Im asking chat gpt how to code and its...um kind of crazy how its basically taking place of a teacher.

I wonder how accurate it is at generating c code

void setup() {
  // Initialize the USART/UART interface with 9600 baud rate
  Serial.begin(9600);
}

void loop() {
  // Read the analog value from A0
  int analogValue = analogRead(A0);
  
  // Convert the analog value to voltage (assuming 5V reference)
  float voltage = analogValue * (5.0 / 1023.0);
  
  // Format the data as a string
  String dataString = "Analog Value: " + String(analogValue) + ", Voltage: " + String(voltage) + "V";
  
  // Send the data via USART/UART
  Serial.println(dataString);
  
  // Delay for a short period of time (optional)
  delay(1000);
}

Generated by chat GP.

https://docs.arduino.cc/built-in-examples/basics/ReadAnalogVoltage
Checks out 🤔

[ebon dew]

If you think chatGPT will take the place of a teacher then you'll be going to the school of "plausibly correct but incorrect".

Welcome to Xavier's school of "Gifted Plausibility Training"

[tardy badger]

Xavier’s School of Overconfidence?

[ebon dew]

Can an AI really have overconfidence? It does seem like the answers presented are factual most times when they are not.

[raw jasper]

I mean, it's been trained on internet data :P

[ebon dew]

because the internet is never wrong, brilliant plan, what could possibly go wrong.

[fair summit]

from a post we have in #welcome:

ChatGPT

ChatGPT can give plausible-looking answers to questions. But you can't trust ChatGPT as a source of knowledge. It doesn't "know" anything. It could be right, or it could be completely wrong (and appear confident), and you can't tell. It's just cobbling together phrases from a large language model, and it doesn't do attribution. It's like asking a parrot with a very large memory a question. We recommend you use a search engine instead.

i have had it invent non-existent libraries out of whole cloth (e.g. a Trinket_M0 library that resembled the CIrcuit Playground library)

[wanton thistle]

Oh yes ofc 🙂

its just interesting

Is there any way to turn off the "for you" function on you tube?

[umbral phoenix]

don't log in? (I have never logged in to YouTube)

[acoustic pawn]

Xavier’s school of hallucinations

[solar kindle]

What strikes me about it is that it substitutes verbosity and confident presentation for actual knowledge. I've worked with quite a few people who use similar strategies. They tend to get promoted into middle management.

[tardy badger]

And thus the circle of toxicity lives on

lion king music plays

[solar kindle]

Well, it certainly explains why so many people think these bots can actually reason. Most folks can't tell the difference between competence and confidence.

[tardy badger]

Thinking they can reason is a reasonable response, thinking they know that they are talking to a real person takes faith

stares at Kevin Roose

[lusty fossil]

My secret is to have the same affect but only when I know things. When I don't know things, I don't say anything. Numerous people think my top of the bell curve self is a genius.

[wanton thistle]

yea but then you get those unfriendly types who get angry and are like "Well can you find someone who does know?" when you are the closest expert at that point.

(see also: the Dunning-Kruger effect)

[tardy badger]

How dare you follow the normal distribution 🙂

An interesting thing that’s been studied a lot is the intelligence to confidence of people

People with lower intelligence tend to be far more confident while people with higher intelligence tend to be unsure more often than they feel confident

Which means average intelligence leads to fairly even confidence

[wanton thistle]

Ive seen this first hand when dealing with people who try to talk outside their knowledge base. Its also why I keep my mouth shut

[tardy badger]

I will only talk to a point in which im fairly sure, but even then my brain sprinkles in “but im not confident” or “but I could be wrong”

[wanton thistle]

anxiety be like:

[tardy badger]

All this follows: the more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

[wanton thistle]

Imposter Syndrome enters the chat

[raw jasper]

It's funny though, how our first actual conversational AI ended up mechanically mimicking the overconfidence of an internet denizen

[wanton thistle]

I wouldnt say I was over confident, I just thought it was interesting. I know enough not to trust it. I also know enough to verify said thing. But its like anything on the web, trust but verify any and all statements

[raw jasper]

For some reason, the way it pads over answers it doesn't really "know" what to do with reminds me of a pupil who doesn't actually know the answer trying to pad their answer with as many "big words" as possible to try to hide that they haven't studied/done the assignment at all (and gain time to hopefully remember the answer)

[late fulcrum]

The one on Bing referred to a nonexistent paper by a person who does exist, and she resented getting requests for copies of a paper she didn't write. In another instance, it gave out its phone number, which belonged to someone who didn't appreciate all the curious calls.

And when you point out something it says is wrong, it doubles down and fabricates more bogus evidence for its assertions.

[raw jasper]

ChatGPT has done that (ie. generate non-existent paper titles authored by people who actually are in the field the prompt is about) to me too

[solar kindle]

Yep. I've definitely worked with people like that.

[umbral phoenix]

Current "AI" seems to be best at entertainment and fiction writing. Too bad the hype is going to get it pushed into things that matter, where wrong answers have consequences.

[tardy badger]

Well, I can tell you the last place it will land will be software engineering for defense articles

It’ll be explored because the government likes to save money but will ultimately be rejected because it inserts far too much uncertainty and confidence in outputs that will largely be flawed. Not to mention security concerns

[late fulcrum]

I dunno, the military still uses MICROS~1

[tardy badger]

They still use lots of stuff

But AI/ML research is not very well funded outside of universities right now

[hard estuary]

my wife is a PhD candidate in ML

Does a lot of weather stuff

[quaint marsh]

I dunno, it wrote a complicated goertzel circuitpython function for me recently. I wouldn’t have been able to do the math myself. Or, I would have, but it would have taken weeks. Luckily I’m not working on anything important.

[frigid tiger]

Is goertzel what they use to recognize chords in music training software?

[quaint marsh]

I’m using it to detect DTMF tones

It’s faster than FFT when you’re just trying to pick out a few frequencies

[late fulcrum]

I'm thinking of implementing a software modem with it (just need two frequencies)

[dusty citrus]

As the average social user
I somewhat dislike the one of bing though, because it looks like it gets keywords from your input then search that, not that much of an ai

But then chatgpt here got banned 🤦‍♂️

[quaint marsh]

I’ve been meaning to thank you for pointing me down a good path for my phone project

[ebon dew]

I thought Jepler got it to admit 2+2= 5 though. 🙂

[late fulcrum]

For sufficiently large values of 2...

[tardy badger]

2 is 2 factorial

Lol

[sharp nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-denzel-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532550

alright so I face this struggle

[raw jasper]

“You must take your ChatGPT into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” :P

[static flare]

Oh, yeah, that is correct

[raw jasper]

@late fulcrum , do you know Chinese / Japanese?

I was surprised seeing somebody use the 可　emoji

[late fulcrum]

No, it just interests me and I'm eternally curious.

[raw jasper]

Makes sense! (In Japanese) The character means "passable/acceptable", although you probably already know this.

[late fulcrum]

I spent a while poring over Unicode tables and looking up radicals, trying to figure out what some of the emoji are for. I ended up finding out arcana like one set was part of a proposal for Japanese TV symbols http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2007/07259-japanese-tv.pdf

I've gotten a lot of use out of the "handwrite" option in Google Translate to find out what a particular hanzi/kanji was.

[raw jasper]

I wonder how come some of them didn't get English variants. For example, we have 🆗 which is close to 可 , but there's no equivalent for 秘

[late fulcrum]

There is 🈶 too, amusingly

Wait, there's ㊙️

[raw jasper]

Yeah, I just couldn't be bothered to look up the actual emoji, and typed the character instead. Apparently, it's :secret:, which would've been easy

I expected it to be u\d\d\d\d, like the other emoji of CJK origin

[late fulcrum]

It's an odd mix. Most of them are a hex code, but there are also \🈁 (🈁), \🈂️ (🈂️), \🉐 (🉐, what were they thinking?), and \㊗️ (㊗️)

Whoops goofed quoting : marks

[raw jasper]

TIL discord treats natively-inputted emoji differently than those inputted via the :: mechanism

[late fulcrum]

So I learned 2 things from one mistake! This is a good day!

So how do you escape the : character so you can show the shortcut code?

[static flare]

I get diamonds with question marks for some of them

[late fulcrum]

Ah, your computer may not be using a typeface with some of the newer emoji

[static flare]

I'm on my phone

[raw jasper]

\:blah\:

[late fulcrum]

I'm kind of surprised mine does, I'm running a 5 year old OS

[static flare]

I heard Discord updated some of their emoji, I assume it just hasn't rolled over to my phone yet

[late fulcrum]

Ah, I had escaped the leading : but not both of them.

[static flare]

Huh, updated Discord but it didn't show anything different

[raw jasper]

It seems natively inputting emoji bypasses discord's emoji and leads to them being rendered by the whatever mechanisms the local OS has

So, ㊗️ is treated differently to ㊗

....aaaand it's not. Not on my system.

🙃

@late fulcrum what did you do? You broke it! :P

\🍵

LOL I think I know what happened

You can escape an emoji with \

...in which case it will bypass discord's emoji handling

Evidence: The green tea above

I suspect this is not intended

[late fulcrum]

My phone shows them 3 different ways?

[raw jasper]

You've held on to one of the last phones with a small screen. Good job!

[late fulcrum]

That makes room for the ⌨️

[static flare]

Does yours have a physical keyboard?

[late fulcrum]

Yup!

[raw jasper]

An even rarer specimen!

[ebon dew]

That's cool.

[static flare]

Huh! Do you find it's usually easier, or more difficult to use?

[raw jasper]

What model is it? I can't even properly type on a touch screen

[static flare]

i only have 1 phone with a keypad but it's T3 (with a web browser though)

[late fulcrum]

Blackberry Key2. I find it much easier than a featureless surface with no tactile feedback. However, it's an older G4 phone, but I have an Astro Slide G5 on order.

[raw jasper]

:\ It probably hasn't been updated firmware-wise in years

[ebon dew]

You can still get the BBQ's from solder party. Though not sure how well Fona support still is. I wouldn't mind rolling my own someday.

[late fulcrum]

Blackberry is fairly good about OS updates, unfortunately, my original one went swimming and the gray-market replacement doesn't download updates.

[static flare]

BBQ?

[ebon dew]

blackberry keyboard that'll run on a microcontroller

[static flare]

Ah

[ebon dew]

is there a blackberry q? That would make a lot of sense.

[raw jasper]

Yeah.

[late fulcrum]

I get this when I run a security scan on a gray market phone 😦

[ebon dew]

https://www.tindie.com/products/arturo182/bb-q20-keyboard-with-trackpad-usbi2cpmod/

[raw jasper]

Yeeeeah, I probably wouldn't trust this one?

[static flare]

Oh hey it's arturo

[ebon dew]

That one is fine it's arturo yeah, he does some boards for adafruit occasionally too. Solder party is a trust worthy vendor.

[raw jasper]

Who is Arturo?

[late fulcrum]

I bought the FeatherWing version https://www.tindie.com/products/arturo182/keyboard-featherwing-qwerty-keyboard-26-lcd/

[static flare]

I think ningen was talking about madbodger's phone

[ebon dew]

i wanted the featherwing version but they ran out 😦

[raw jasper]

That is correct!

[ebon dew]

oh that phone, yes, cursed for sure.

[late fulcrum]

Yeah, I'm in the process of trying to build a FrankenPhone. I figured the Astro would ship sooner, but since it's not, I want a more-secure phone again.

[tardy badger]

Every time someone mentions the BBQ20 keyboard from the blackberry, all I think of is a weekend cookout

[raw jasper]

It's the phone to buy if you have a clearance!

(Please don't)

[ebon dew]

don't have to worry about phone security if you don't have one.

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[late fulcrum]

Few security issues with this one either

[tardy badger]

Caveman is perfect for security clearance. Aversion to technology, can’t speak English, has no idea what anything is.

[ebon dew]

same. BBQ is memorable but my first thought is... how hot does it get because that name sounds like it should be hot.

[tardy badger]

Just easier to wire tap

Well, all land lines suck at security anyway

[ebon dew]

nothing is secure, only the illusion of it

[tardy badger]

My brain is secure

Did I say secure? I mean insecure

😛

[static flare]

a mood

[ebon dew]

i could link to studies showing how the government invested in reading people's dreams, like getting an actual visual image of their dreams.

[tardy badger]

Me: makes something I think is cool
My Brain: “everyone is going to hate it”
Me: quietly puts it down until I have the confidence to share

[ebon dew]

that's not conspiracy theory stuff that's fact. please don't go down conspiracy theory rabbit holes, it's part of the code of conduct.

[tardy badger]

It’s real

There’s a whole set of articles about it

[raw jasper]

My version is "it's already been done to death"

[static flare]

Why though

[tardy badger]

Also mood

[ebon dew]

that too

i hear that, same.

[tardy badger]

https://www.science.org/content/article/ai-re-creates-what-people-see-reading-their-brain-scans

Honestly a neat application to AI

[ebon dew]

then i came up with the mantra... others may have done it, better even, but i've never done it.

i think deshipu had a great comment in makercast the other day

"We do not do things because they are easy. We do them because we thought they would be easy."

great twist

[tardy badger]

I find emulation is the best way to learn and build confidence

[raw jasper]

In other "upcoming things people here may be interested in knowing about" news:
https://shop.elsevier.com/books/formal-verification/seligman/978-0-323-95612-3

[raw jasper]

Nintendo disagrees 😂 (sorry couldn't resist)

[tardy badger]

If I can make something in a similar way to someone else, and it works then I feel like maybe I’m slightly good enough

[tardy badger]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[ebon dew]

If it works it works.

[tardy badger]

And if it doesn’t work you’ll never know because I won’t share it

💀

[ebon dew]

The first time I went on show and tell I was so f'ing nervous. I'd been watching the shows for like a year and like all my personal heros were on there and here I am trying to show off this really basic thing that took months they could have done in a day.

[static flare]

I've never been on S&T for that reason

[hard estuary]

I still get stage fright going on show & tell... even when I'm recording the podcast

[raw jasper]

I've never been on S&T because I have nothing to show or tell!

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[ebon dew]

Looking back I wish I'd gotten over that sooner. The skill divide was all in my mind, no one cares about that. Projects of all kinds are welcome and the more I heard that the better I felt about going on and showing stuff.

[tardy badger]

I’ve been on show and tell multiple times. Still get nervous

[ebon dew]

Like if it's someone's first time ever getting an LED to blink, and it was hard to do, learn a new foreign language, and implement it. I enjoy seeing that.

[static flare]

Maybe if I do more YouTube stuff, I'll get the confidence to

[ebon dew]

Doesn't matter how basic you think the project is. If you get a sense of pride in your progress and want to show the world "I did a thing". That's literally part of the name Show & Tell.

I just wish there were more people, more projects, more time to do like an hour long version.

Yeah I think everyone gets nervous even the host lol

Remember show & tell in kindergarden? Were you nervous then? Some things never change. Getting up in front of everyone is exactly how you overcome the anxiety.

Everyone here is so nice and supportive it's actually easy and that's one of the many reasons I love this community. There are in fact some electronic communities that have a very toxic exclusive mindset of one upmanship, arrogance, belittling comments, etc.... so this place is actually pretty amazing.

[acoustic pawn]

I might actually do a thing on show and tell

[ebon dew]

I urge everyone to participate in show & tell no matter the status or basis of your project. The positivity is invigorating. I've never regretted showing a project off there. Actually, just the opposite, people have given me ideas on how to improve things and being positive influences. Everyone here is just great.

[static flare]

Is there a limit to the number of items one can show off at one time

Cause I have... several projects

[ebon dew]

i think it's more time based which is dynamic based on the amount of people in line. which you'll never know how many there are. that's part of the hosts job i guess.

usually 1-2 minutes depending on time

[fair summit]

Right, two minutes is typical, so feel free to return another time with something else.

[ebon dew]

if there aren't many people then maybe 3-4 minutes, the host will let you know approximately to "be fast" 1 minute or "take your time" 2 minutes..

[static flare]

Ah, okay

cool!

[ebon dew]

yup and if you don't get it all in, there's always next week, because the show isn't dependent on 1 particular host. the show will happen even if... perhaps especially if there's a pandemic. 😉

i think it would be cool to get educators into it and live stream pre-recorded videos of classroom projects with circuit playgrounds and stuff like that.

digikey showed a halloween project of a classroom full of pumpkin projects last year using them. i thought that was just awesome. they all programmed different midi music into them using makecode too. i love seeing stuff like that.

like here's one https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/10/27/halloween-monsters-with-crickit-and-circuit-playground-express-electronichalloween-2/

very basic stuff cobbled together is still not easy if you've never done it before. seeing an entire classroom do stuff just warms my heart.

[tardy badger]

I cram in as many projects in my 2 minutes as possible

Lol

[static flare]

Valid

[frigid tiger]

all those $50 rubidium atomic clocks are gone

[late fulcrum]

I'm glad I grabbed one when the surplus market was flooded with ones removed from cellular towers being upgraded and you could get one for $15

[raw jasper]

Petition: Can we call all AI-generated images purporting to be images of real events involving notable people "puffy Popes"? :P

[ebon dew]

Automated fictitious characters and fictional events really does seem to be AI's forte. Imagine getting AI to write an entire book for you.

[frigid tiger]

If you aren't already publishing a constant stream of AI generated children's books with AI audiobook narration you're behind

[ebon dew]

Jepler's already got it automatically creating a Zork style game which is impressive. I could see it easily being adapted in the future to create entire fictional universes.

[frigid tiger]

I would like to automate applying for menial roles in call centers and tech support and integrate voice recognition with chatgpt to handle prompts and generate responses with elevenlabs, imagine automating 20 jobs at the same time

[ebon dew]

They've already been doing that for the past decade. Every website that has those little "live help chat" popups is usually AI responses.

I think games will be drastically different for games that have choices that change the games outcome. Instead of a set of 20 different possible endings (Fallout 3) which is determined by different choice paths during the course of the game there could be an infinite amount of dynamically generate paths and outcomes.

I think the route Jepler chose to dive straight into with it was a well suited application for it.

[raw jasper]

How long until we have "AI Hallucination Ending%" speedruns?

[frigid tiger]

can AI illustrate dreams yet, I think there was a very primitive attempt a decade ago

[rapid geode]

cnc tent

neat

haha

(creality printer tent)

[violet parcel]

that is what i like abouut dr who

[glossy knoll]

What did the cell towers upgrade to?

[weary fiber]

Customized firmware/bootscreen

[night crescent]

WE ARE LIVE! SHOW AND TELL! https://youtu.be/olO1XO2Bu7A

[brazen wyvern]

battery cable sold by Adafruit

Almost started a fire

[night crescent]

WE ARE LIVE! ASK AN ENGINEER! https://youtu.be/dsO1N8PB_SM

[proven geode]

Hi everyone!

[late fulcrum]

I'm guessing from 3G to 4G

[glossy knoll]

The new networks need higher accuracy I guess?

[late fulcrum]

I don't know if it's that (a rubidium clock seems more accurate than necessary to me), or a change in technology.

[violet parcel]

Im ok I got vaccinated 4 times so I have quad-5G directly in my body 🤣

Who need kindle when you can directly download it in your brain at 1 gigabits/s ?

[ebon dew]

You most likely got the polarity backwards with the battery you were using it with. That's how that happens. The wire turns into a resistor until it's red hot and looks like a lightbulb filament, either the wire burns itself out or it smokes so much it can start a fire. I know this story very well. I've done it many times.

[ebon dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJb_NzomWEc

[raw jasper]

I've seen the magic smoke escape (multiple times too!), but never in such an extreme and... fiery fashion. I have a feeling they ramped up the voltage to exaggerate the effect...

On the other hand, I may be better at unplugging things when I see smoke :P

[ebon dew]

For sure it's less dramatic with 4.2V vs 12V. As you can see in acthpau's image the result is pretty much the same eventually.

It happens so often that Adafruit has put out videos warning people about it and people still do it. It's just one of those things. This is why a lot of companies go with proprietary connectors so there's no possibility of connecting things incorrectly.

https://youtu.be/ILArrTIMFyM

It's the common JST connector that throws people off. You really need to test a lipo's polarity before using it with an Adafruit board. If you buy batteries from Adafruit it helps prevent incidents like this as Adafruit uses 1 wiring scheme for all their charge ports and batteries. The stuff you get from other retailers might not be wired the same way.

or if using a JST connector yourself to splice in a battery to a JST you can get that backwards and poof, smoke.

Check the learn guide for your board. Each one has the correct polarity indicated for the battery terminals.

Here's a nice quick video on how to test for polarity. This will ensure in the future that any battery you use you will know for sure it's connected correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoUHbf_bRxw

[acoustic pawn]

But most feather boards have a voltage switching/reverse protection diode on the lipo input

So that shouldn't happen unless there's a short somewhere

and if reverse current flowed through the board it would probably burn the board and ICs instead of the wire

probably

[ebon dew]

@brazen wyvern What board did it happen with?

[elfin bridge]

Even if a sub-component is UL rated (indicated by the backwards RU symbol) it is only certified for suitability for a very specific purpose. If that component is used with something it isn't designed to be used with, the rating is void. I am curious what that battery cable was connected to, because I am not aware of a single cell LiPo battery that is capable of putting out enough amps to do that to the wires those things are made of, unless maybe the battery itself was defective, or the system was back-fed with a higher power unregulated supply.

[ebon dew]

There's a lack of info with the image, no way to know for now.

[karmic urchin]

You just love iOS development

[brazen wyvern]

this happened in the middle of operation, so I'm sure the polarity is right

[ebon dew]

Then definitely contact support via email so they can follow up with you. They'll want to be made aware if it's some type of defect.

How long after powering up the board did it happen? Was it the first time using the battery and JST with that board?

[brazen wyvern]

like 100+ hrs

average current draw < 1A

the cable is the only thing that was damaged

not even the connectors on the both side

[timid anvil]

Anyone still play titan fall on xbox 360?

[fallow copper]

꧁༒☬ P҉A҉V҉A҉N҉ ☬༒꧂ — Today at 2:01 AM
please i need a big help from u all
how to use PiEEG with raspberry pi 4 python
i need to make a brain controlled wheelchair with PiEEG using python
i dont know anything about eeg
please help me!

[crystal ore]

It looks like that's a relatively new board, but there are some Python examples in their GitHub, like controlling a robot with blinking: https://github.com/HackerBCI/EEGwithRaspberryPI Mostly you're going to be getting the raw EEG data over SPI, though, so you'll probably need to do some data processing of your own to turn it into useful control signals.

Also, please don't post the same question to multiple channels, since it means the replies and conversations about it will get scattered.

[spark egret]

@night crescent I sent an email about a job posting and I was told to do a follow up email a week later and I did but I have not received a response yet and it has been about an additional week. Please advize <3

[frosty tartan]

hi does anyone know what teh fov of the adafruit as7341 is ? i cant find it in the datasheet ?

[fair summit]

are you applying for a job or wanting to post a job?

[spark egret]

I wanted to post a job to get help for circuit python dealing with NFC tags and hardware from adafruit. In the email I included all the information.

[fair summit]

The job posting service is on something of a hiatus right now while we figure out how to reorganize it. The postings you made here are ok.

[spark egret]

okay, so to confirm it is okay if I job post in circuit python? Thank you for taking the time to clarify <3

[fair summit]

yes, you can post it one time

[spark egret]

Thank you! <3

[jaunty lintel]

addyfruit

[fallow copper]

To make a bci controlled wheelchair we need alpha or beta signal

[late fulcrum]

You should be able to get alpha and beta signals from the PiEEG easily enough

[thick wind]

If you’re asking which one, that’s all up to your design, I would imagine.

[frigid tiger]

Id like to homebrew this technology

[fair summit]

solution for keyboard shortcuts:https://learn.adafruit.com/macropad-hotkeys
simpler if your goal is just to do something with the buttons: https://learn.adafruit.com/key-pad-matrix-scanning-in-circuitpython/keys-one-key-per-pin#macropad-example-3099041

ask further in #help-with-circuitpython

you run it on the board.

all kinds of details: https://learn.adafruit.com/welcome-to-circuitpython

Also see this board-specific guide: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-macropad-rp2040

[tardy badger]

Las Vegas. Interesting place

Probably best to avoid it during an NBA game

[late fulcrum]

But when there's both a pinball convention and a rollergirl convention there, the chances to meet Jeri Ellsworth become much higher, as she's interested in both

[crystal ore]

I'm amused that they tend to schedule the Adult Entertainment Expo for the same week as the Consumer Electronics Show.

[tardy badger]

I’m staying the night in Vegas, off strip. Wanted to try and see the strip and it was immensely stressful

Found out an NBA game is happening this evening

[tardy badger]

I think it’s because of the intentional overlap between the two

[static flare]

That tracks

[wild forge]

hello... i'm sorry to ask here, but i have a question about lighting up my neopixel ring with my trinket m0. what help forum do i need to go to?

[umbral phoenix]

probably the #help-with channel for whatever language or IDE you're using

CircuitPython, Arduino, etc

[frigid tiger]

hello...I am looking for a 3 pin molex 2510 female to 2 pin jst-xh 2.54mm male connector

[ebon dew]

Have you tried searching digikey?

[spice moss]

building droids is cool

[spice moss]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-bd-droid-excited-beeps-excited-excitement-gif-25302647

[violet parcel]

danh: what we talked about is the main reason I quit chatGPT and it's stubborness in accepting any part of someone else viewpoint

Because of this I never want an AI in my house ever in my life or controlling any furniture or appliance I own

Because the stubborness and being convinced of false information sounds like a good plan to get me killed while it insists Im faking it

[fair summit]

its lack of uncertainty and lack of attribution make for a killer combination

[violet parcel]

Being wrong on a chip and circuitpython is one thing but if it is feed information on says appliances / electronic / safety equipment it will just insist it is 100% correct while hurting peoples

[fair summit]

repasting something I posted elsewhere:
This is an interesting observation on how to think about ChatGPT:

Something that seems fundamental to me about ChatGPT, which gets lost over and over again: When you enter text into it, you're asking "What would a response to this sound like?" If you put in a scientific question, and it comes back with a response citing a non-existent paper with a plausible title, using a real journal name and an author name who's written things related to your question, it's not being tricky or telling lies or doing anything at all surprising! This is what a response to that question would sound like! It did the thing! But people keep wanting the "say something that sounds like an answer" machine to be doing something else, and believing it is doing something else. It's good at generating things that sound like responses to being told it was wrong, so people think that it's engaging in introspection or looking up more information or something, but it's not, it's only, ever, saying something that sounds like the next bit of the conversation.
From https://social.coop/@DrewKadel/110154048390452046

[violet parcel]

And you never know if your opposite political opinion sounds like a good way to have hold a grunge against you

It straight up told me to respect its beliefs at some point..

the "or else" wasn't far off at this point

[fair summit]

it's very hard not to anthropomorphize its responses, but you have to keep not doing that

[violet parcel]

sigh this response kinda annoy me

Im not anthroporphizeitwhatever

Im saying a safety mechanism shouldn't be conditional on what is consider a correct way to use it

That is why I can't trust it for anything related to safety

[fair summit]

i can't trust it for anything at all

[violet parcel]

Because every time I ask it a simple question it has to give me 3 paragraphs of moralistic c*** and who could be offended by any part of my question even if it's a 100% technical question

sometimes it's a really good interactive encyclopedia though and that is where it can sometimes shine when I don't have access to the data it was trained on for free

But I feel like to waste so much time retelling it what question you asked every 4-5 prompts, and that you don't want to know how bad the french-german wars in the 1870 wars and who they offended you just want to know the goods that cologne produced back then that it gets very tiring and I probably would have found faster reading physical books

Also teacher saying it's very hard to detect is BS. Very easy to tell because it can't help write in a positive vibe/moralistic style

[fair summit]

have to be afk, but interesting observations

[violet parcel]

I wonder if gpt-j is the same, ideally I would like an NLP that is basically a big knowledge base so it can give me a cursory / summary introduction to a topic

and instead of making up answers would say something like: the climate of cologne, germany was X and it was near trade roads leading to Y and Z and thus it is very probable that it was involved in producing these goods even if I don't have it in my training data

Some peoples seems charmed by its code-writing "abilities" but I guess they didn't actually run the code or check if it is fast and optimized. And when you ask follow-up questions on it it can't actually put any details/special cases in the code

It even fails basic questions like how to declare members variable in a new declaration in C#

it will tell you it is new({}); when it is new{};

It used to be a bit better at citing things and making logical conclusions in december as it probably had more ressources assigned to it per user but as it gets popular it gets more and more dumbed down

[delicate stream]

How'd you do that? :O

[delicate stream]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[violet parcel]

I do have to admit that sometimes it's entertaining to feed a datasheet to the API version and asks questions and watch how wrong it is

Another classic with the non-API version is that you will specifically tell it in the prompt to not mention a certain place or topic in the answer and they will almost exclusively mention it

Then when you get annoyed telling it you said to not mention it they will "apologize" and do the same again

For instance asks it a top 10 of what cities made quality glass in the renaissance era and not to mention venice because you already know about it

and no matter what you says venice will be #1 kinda like when you search google and put -inurl:pinterest and it's just pinterest links

[delicate stream]

It can be good for giving large amounts of code quickly... but I think only more advanced users should use it. It definitely is confusing for beginners to get non-working code

[quaint marsh]

Ii just prompted it with “list ten cities known to make quality glass during the Renaissance. I already know about Venice so exclude it”

[violet parcel]

I do admit that it is entertaining sometimes like I love to asks it very silly questions and insists it is wrong

if this is to tell me Im wrong

also realize that chatgpt is non-deterministic

[quaint marsh]

And it replied: “Sure, here are ten cities known for their glass production during the Renaissance, excluding Venice…”

[violet parcel]

and might not give the same answer with the same prompt. I was just pointing out an annoying behaviour it has

[blissful roost]

Well, there's no actual intelligence behind it..

[violet parcel]

and this is what exactly to do with what I said except as a condenscending statement towards me ?

Here let me try one reply in the same style: "You need power to use any electronics" That is helpful right?

[delicate stream]

It's just a really fancy calculator, it doesn't know anything

[weary fiber]

reflashed marlin!

[static flare]

that's so cool

[blissful roost]

How would a comment about some fake "A.I." suddenly be about you ?!?

I mean, dang..... I know I have ego, but..

[dusty citrus]

The same could be said to you 🙈

[crystal ore]

My 8-bit TI calculator runs rings around me, yeah...

[raw jasper]

Being so nihilistic about the human condition won't get you anywhere.

[dusty citrus]

I think that's better than being walled by abstraction

[raw jasper]

Admitting we don't know something is not abstraction. Just because a statistical model can reproduce remarkably human-like speech, doesn't mean that we ourselves are lookup tables.

[quaint marsh]

We can’t let the machine tear us apart this way, guys.

[delicate stream]

If you could share the details I'd appreciate it [specifically how you added your own image], I wanna do that on my Enders!

[delicate stream]

I'm not a calculator! I'm a talking soup!

[raw jasper]

(It's a cup of macha, but, close enough :P)

[honest jolt]

Maybe a soup dumpling, since you have skin on the outside, meat and liquid on the inside

[delicate stream]

Talking bags of mostly water

Oh My Lanta why do I keep getting the weirdest blocks

@stray wind it hates me I swear XD

[stray wind]

Aww! Checking!

[honest jolt]

The more of a regular you are, the more it hates you because you might become a moderator and replace it's job

[delicate stream]

I am cursed to find problems, lol

[stray wind]

Oh oof. This one isn't an issue, it's legitimate. We've blocked the word referring to the Discord subscription because it catches so many spammers, we decided it was more important to stop that than it was to be concerned about real discussions involving it.

[honest jolt]

ahhhhhh

Good idea

[stray wind]

It's so rarely discussed, to be honest. You might be the first one to have hit that with a conversation.

[delicate stream]

Ohhhh

[raw jasper]

Ah yes, the click here for free [thing] scam

[stray wind]

Exactly.

[delicate stream]

I'm that rare weirdo, lol

[stray wind]

I get it. Do you want to find bugs in your project? Give it to me. I'll break it within minutes. 😄

[delicate stream]

I was about to comment on there being a soup emoji, but I realized that's a [Discord subscription service] thing from other servers, lol

[stray wind]

I usually get the "Why would you even do that?" to which I reply "The things were there, why wouldn't I?"

[delicate stream]

Break ALL the things!

[honest jolt]

How is soup not an default emoji lol

[delicate stream]

This is why we need testers, particularly ones who will do weird things on purpose, to catch all the edge cases XD

[raw jasper]

Soup GIF is free

[delicate stream]

This is a good question

[delicate stream]

https://tenor.com/view/soup-intensifies-at-soup-soup-store-gif-23579992

[raw jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-misosoup-animesoup-animemisosoup-gif-18031739

[stray wind]

🍜 is the closest thing that's included by default.

[raw jasper]

Is ramen a soup?

:P

[honest jolt]

Mmmmmmm ramen

[delicate stream]

Ramen is most definitely a soup

[honest jolt]

Now I'm hungry 😠

[raw jasper]

Cereal is a soup. Technically.

[delicate stream]

I'm going to McDonald's bbl

[honest jolt]

You should beam some over Discord to me

Teleporting McDonalds

[delicate stream]

That requires the McN-tro subscription

[honest jolt]

New feature: /order McDonalds item:Big Mac and we will teleport the meal right to you!

[delicate stream]

I really bbl now, so hungry, lol

[raw jasper]

Enjoy!

[static flare]

I just had McDonald's

First time in a while (for me) because ordering in has become more expensive and I've been busy spending all my money on projects

[raw jasper]

https://image.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/0906/02/l_wk_090602hibikore01.jpg

[delicate stream]

I've been going way too much >~> but I just got 30% off

Unrelated cool thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEp3OV9k_O4

[raw jasper]

I will not use the term uncanny valley, because I to say I dislike the connotations made in the graph which introduced the concept would be an understatement, but, I am kinda creeped out by this robot..?

[delicate stream]

Lol. It doesn't fit the typical uncanny valley segments since it isn't trying to look human, it's just trying to move like one kinda? But it's gonna take your soul with the lifeless eyes

[raw jasper]

On the other hand, there is probably some mad engineering (and inverse kinematics!) going on to get the bot to follow the mocap actor.

We need more of this and less ChatGPT.

Folx, show us your useless, but quite charming, robots!

[delicate stream]

I’m curious if the bot will be doing a pre-programmed routine in the end, or if it’ll have some level of autonomy

[raw jasper]

I mean, disney's been pretty big on animatronics since.... forever, so I'm guessing pre-programmed routine?

It'd also be safer that way...? I think.

[dusty citrus]

I think that there's some plugin for ros

[raw jasper]

Ah yes, the aptly-named Robot OS. I wish I could get to have a reason to use it one day

[dusty citrus]

Luckily stuff is getting easier
But not it's installation for some reasons

[raw jasper]

By the way, speaking of cute robots, did you ever play machinarium? I really liked the junkbot designs on that one (and I haven't seen anyone try this kind of art direction again)
https://play-lh.googleusercontent.com/UnB9YP-Gt0FpKHDtv6KmqMJhPuxTCOUTrcFqUUVGmYf56_eAhqWC6wzF2seTEXAh2g=w526-h296-rw

[delicate stream]

Depends. With THAT bot, it looks like it’s very soft and light; probably can’t do much damage, so a mistake isn’t as big of a deal if it’s autonomous and goes awry. The issue with pre-programmed if it’s interacting with people directly is that people can’t be 100% consistent, so autonomy to allow for correction would be good

[delicate stream]

I never played it but I’ve seen it, and I do love the junk bots!

[raw jasper]

I played it when it was new. Only thing I remember are the junkbots and the music

[delicate stream]

lol

[raw jasper]

...I hope I didn't just recommend a game with problematic elements I did not notice 10 year ago!

(My mind, always, whenever I am thinking of recommending things I enjoyed a long time ago)

[delicate stream]

Lol, people probably aren't gonna be too mad at you for talking about something you liked a decade ago that hasn't aged well if you haven't actively been enjoying it. Times change and tastes change, and we forget things

[raw jasper]

Times change, tastes change, people change. That's true. I still wanted to get that off my chest though 😅

[delicate stream]

Lol, fair

[tardy badger]

California traffic 😵

I understand why people just fly here instead of drive

[raw jasper]

Is it just me or is discord being way too pushy about [insert subscription name here] lately?

It's shown me at least 3 such ads today

[late fulcrum]

I am getting more than I used to, but 3/day isn't too onerous when I can dismiss them with a single click. WAY better than "you have to sit through two 2-minute garbage ads to watch this 18-second video"

[raw jasper]

I do get the impression that their subscription offering isn't selling as well as they'd like though

[late fulcrum]

Their "basic" service too

[raw jasper]

Ah yeah, that too.

IRC is free.

Problem is, what's replaceable is the protocol. The communities/connections much less so.

[tardy badger]

I miss the old IRC days

I learned how to set up my own IRC network once

[spice moss]

time to make custom irc network with things

[raw jasper]

I am absolutely, positively sure that went well 😂

[tardy badger]

It was actually really fun

I had servers in like 6 countries

US, Canada, and Europe

[raw jasper]

I'm guessing VPS?

Did it survive for long?

[tardy badger]

I had it up for like 6 months

I mostly got bored with it

[raw jasper]

How many users did you have?

[grizzled raptor]

https://hackaday.com/2023/04/04/silkscreen-busy-put-labels-inside-pads/

Ooooo, fancy!

[umbral phoenix]

where do you see these ads? I don't get ads in Discord... just the interstitials when launching the app initially

[raw jasper]

Discord itself pops up interstitials about the subscription service while using it

[umbral phoenix]

maybe rarely I have to dismiss something, but it's usually pretty clean

[raw jasper]

Today it's been especially aggressive (to me), which is why I pointed it out

[umbral phoenix]

yeah. I get it, they have to make money. I do appreciate the not-usually ads thing, and they do seem at least somewhat respectful of privacy (probably due in no small part to not making the bulk of their profit from 3rd-party ads)

that's a large part of why I'm here, and not ever logged in to YouTube, etc. ...Facebook, all of those

[raw jasper]

Are they? I literally have no idea. I use it for public chat, so.. yeah.

[tardy badger]

I think we had like 50-60 users at one point

[umbral phoenix]

I read the privacy policy once, I am not a lawyer, but it didn't seem as egregious as the ad-supported social networks. But just being able to have a screen name and no real identifying info is a plus

[hazy dune]

𓅃

[ebon dew]

It's the discord subscription popups, yes I'm seeing them a lot more frequently yesterday. They only show up usually after logging into Discord. Since I usually leave Discord open 24/7 I don't notice them. I had to restart yesterday and yes it was popups galore... about 3-4 of them whenever I clicked on something.

Literally can't say the name of the discord subscription as it's a banned word here... interesting.

While it is advertising, it's their own services which they're well within their right to do... but popups are the bane of the internet in any form.

[delicate stream]

At least you don't get 3 unskippable ads before and after and sometimes in the middle of every message

[raw jasper]

....or a Microtransaction Mobile Game-like cooldown timer per message

[dusky turret]

Does anyone know where to get the STL for the EPCOT build that was in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/live/KxbhVBEuip0?feature=share&t=2222

[umbral phoenix]

ads in the middle of YT vids drive me nuts, even more than pre-roll

"Content is meant to be enjoyed uninterrupted, as its creators intended" -me

[delicate stream]

I think someone said it before you XD but that's why I pay for Premium -- so I don't have ads anywhere and the creators still get muns from my views. Plus YouTube Music works well for me

[late fulcrum]

I'd pay for premium if they made the price 1000x what they make from me on ads, but they insist on 2000x.

[umbral phoenix]

I have no problem paying for services I value. I should pay up for Discord one of these days. But I mainly go to YT b/c someone or something linked to it, rarely do I go there directly, voluntarily. (and always in a new private tab, and never log in 😉

so evil ads are the price I pay for my relative anonymity

[delicate stream]

I live on both XD

[umbral phoenix]

I know there's a lot of very useful knowledge there, but I try to avoid services that are: 1. paid for with my personal data; 2. showing content algorithmically as opposed to strict chronological or under my full control.

[delicate stream]

Honestly for myself I just don't want individuals like... seeing me in my birthday suit or something equally personally private private, lol

[raven thunder]

If anyone hadn't noticed, the circuit playground plushes are on sale for 99c (!) right now: https://www.adafruit.com/?q=plushie&sort=BestMatch

[late fulcrum]

Heh, I was ordering some other bits, and noticed that. I bought the ones I didn't already have that were still in stock.

[delicate stream]

I didn't realize they still sold those!

[rapid geode]

i made a snake

[late fulcrum]

Time for Kabelschlepp

[ebon dew]

Impressive

[rapid geode]

nah, i deliberately got rid of the cabble chain

they just get filled up with chips

much nicer to go out the top.

the other cables go out the back

need to wire the spindle controls and then bolt the machine down so it cant wobble.

then its ready to cut

woo

[ebon dew]

I'm a little jealous, those things are so cool. Can make injection molds.

What do you normally use it for?

[rapid geode]

well i have to make the keyboard cases

[ebon dew]

ahh great use

[rapid geode]

thats the immediate need

i have some other items as well

a dial for my oven

the machine got faster with its new controller. and it was already silly fast

haha

so i need to bolt it down

[ebon dew]

faster with cnc comes with a learning curve that includes many broken bits i assume

[rapid geode]

nah

just a reduced time to react

[ebon dew]

are there automated tools for warning if a bit might break? like a strain gauge pressure sensor?

maybe some kind of pressure transducer?

[tardy badger]

You’d actually be surprised that faster speeds tend to decrease the amount of bits breaking

It’s weird

[ebon dew]

yes, that makes no sense to me. 🙂 i've never used one though.

[rapid geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHRGH6-teQ

old control

now its about 3x faster

(for linear moves)

[tardy badger]

Something about the speed reduces the immediate stress on the bit as material is removed quicker

But bits tend to dull faster because of increased heat

I’d love a nice 3 axis cnc

[ebon dew]

oh my lord i want one

[rapid geode]

coolant

[ebon dew]

wiggling the camera while it was making the hole lol

[rapid geode]

actually, heat is reduced at higher speeds

especially with steel

[rapid geode]

the camera was not wiggling, the table was. haha.

[tardy badger]

This is assuming your axis speeds increase proportionally with your spindle speed

[rapid geode]

150lbs at 0.5G will do that

[rapid geode]

well yes, theres calculators that tell you what to do for any given material and tool.

[tardy badger]

Yeah

[ebon dew]

oh i thought the camera moved from left to right afterwards like someone was holding it. yeah that would be dizzying to watch.

[rapid geode]

but the general principle is, faster feed relative to spindle rotation means less rubbing, means less heat

[rapid geode]

i was holding it. but in relative terms. the camera is still haha.

[ebon dew]

cutting vs rubbing, makes sense for friction heat creep on the sidewalls.

[rapid geode]

thge ideal is you dont want to heat the cutter. and you dont want to heat the work. you want any heat to go out in the chip.

some materials you have no choice, like stainless steel.

[ebon dew]

kinda getting deep into material science and physics at that point.

[rapid geode]

https://youtu.be/xfQ_H6Yo6wg?t=191

[ebon dew]

i'll stick with the bloops from my FDM for now. CNC is a whole different world.

[rapid geode]

hehe

thats "my other car". its in the shop. with my canadian girlfriend

:x

[ebon dew]

the sound, gotta have ear plugs, man those things are loud.

[rapid geode]

yeah. high feed cutters be loud

my other machine is a really old version of that one, from 1996

[late fulcrum]

I'm CNC converting a Sherline tabletop milling machine

[rapid geode]

i sold it, but it seems im getting it back soon. not finalised yet

nice

[ebon dew]

we don't have a cnc topic would this stuff normally be in robotics?

[rapid geode]

sherlines are cute. i used to call them mostly useless, but the newer adaptive cutting softwares actually let them do a lot

um

dunno

theres not much cnc related things on adafruit is there?

[ebon dew]

maybe we could expand 3D printer topic to include CNC? it would be nice to have a topic for it. I know Melissa just built a custom one. Would be a nice topic to add.

yeah it's really a different thing than 3d printing even though the concept is kind of the same for top down cnc.

[rapid geode]

yeah. a cnc and a printer are virtually identical machines

[ebon dew]

maybe i'll bring that up. would love to be able to browse a topic where it's all cnc related

CNC/Milling/Machining/LaserCutting, etc...

[rapid geode]

i need to dump all my old parts on ebay now. ha. so many motors, drives, control bits from other machines, or i bought then realised were wrong.

oof

guaranteed easy way to half your money. try to make a custom cnc

😛

[ebon dew]

well they sell stepper motors and stuff to make your own. i suppose that would just fit under robotics.

[rapid geode]

yeah

i have the ipad displayport kit meant for this machine

[ebon dew]

Adafruit doesn't sell 3D printers anymore either. They sell some filament.

[rapid geode]

also some of the keypads. forget the naming. 4x4 membranes. but now that i know how to make a real keyboard i wont use those

i thought they had a cnc

the nomad?

something

ooh, they have tiny g

and grbl shield

[ebon dew]

but it's nice to have support channels all in 1 community because 3D printed enclosures go hand in hand with electronics. CNC... not so much but perhaps it could work if there was more interest generated in having such a topic.

[rapid geode]

but no machines

[ebon dew]

i had no idea there were so many people here with CNC's

[rapid geode]

I think cnc has a habit of getting out of "adafruit scope" real fast. like my machines is $15000.

ha

but, there are tons of learning items that are affordable

more akin to printrs

[ebon dew]

i don't think i would have gotten into 3d printing as likely if there wasn't a support channel here for it.

[rapid geode]

i got into printing with cnc

my friend complained about his makerbot

so i machined the first all metal extruder

sold a few of them. but the market changes to rapidly

[ebon dew]

i've seen people make dremel attachments for their 3d printers

Ender now makes a swappable head with laser cutter for the S1 Pro.

[rapid geode]

i advise against combining machine uses

cnc dust, chips, oils, will make the machine unusable as a printer in a big hurry

[ebon dew]

there is some transition at some level for consumer grade cnc, yeah they're not as awesome as a 15K machine but for making small simple things there might be room for it.

like just watching those videos and hearing you all talk about CNC makes me want to get into it, at a small level.

[rapid geode]

theres, id say, 4 levels. top is commercial. a machine made to make money. second is a hobby/prosumer. (tormach for example). they are not meant for production, but good for start ups to make prototypes.

[ebon dew]

ah that makes sense 😦

[rapid geode]

3rd is hobby. machines in the few thousand range usaully. mostly used for wood, g10 drone parts, trinkets that dont make profits but the machine is a toy and noone cares

4th is tinker toy.

tinker what you see online for a few hundred bucks, running of an atmega or pi. etc

tiny g

grbl

fun stuff. but the machine usually cant make much in the way of real parts

the problem for, say, adfruit, is anything above tinkertoy needs a level of stock and support that is really an investment.

its easy enough to stock 1 dozen tiny g boards. wait for them to sell. then move on. but carrying anything mechanical, or larger servos and steppers with drivers is a big undertaking.

my friend made hundreds of cnc machines, and i dont think he ever made an actual profit. haha 😛

hmm. im trying to figure out how to mount the machine table to the wall. haha. its in front of a window, so its posing some problems.

haha

[ebon dew]

@brazen wyvern "ChatGPT is like the ML version of Tide pods"

That one hit so good I had to make a photoshop for it.

[rapid geode]

oh dear

so what you are saying is it's just like a human

[ebon dew]

As has been pointed out to me, a human would make a disclaimer about possibly being incorrect in most technical circumstances.

[rapid geode]

you haven't met humans have you?

our entire civilisation is founded on being confidently wrong

[ebon dew]

I have that expectation interacting with a human though.

Thinking about changing mastodon instance away from hackaday.social

Its been down for 2 days and in that time they’ve been posting on twitter with no mention of an outage. Its like they don’t even know its down.

It’s ironic i have to let them know their mastodon is down by posting on twitter.

[red prairie]

Has anyone get expirance with tinyusb?

I want to emulate the other device and xbox periferal

Willing to commission someone

[raw jasper]

I am probably missing some cultural context that prevents me from getting this -- I know explanation is where jokes go to die, but, would you mind explaining the parallels?

Thanks in advance! ^^

[tardy badger]

I don’t quite get the comparison either

The tide pod challenge was a fake challenge that a handful of people took seriously and ended up in the news

ChatGPT doesn’t even closely resemble the implied danger

Unless someone is writing a self driving car software with it or something that would have immense impact on human life and limb.

[delicate stream]

@brazen wyvern this is your fault, explain

[brazen wyvern]

Dan was complaining convincing people to stop trusting ChatGPT.

this reminds me efforts to convince people to stop eating tide pods.

[delicate stream]

I don't think anyone actually ate Tide Pods, but people DO trust ChatGPT inherently, and run with whatever it says assuming it to be factual, which is a problem, because it hallucinates and has no idea if it's right or not

[late fulcrum]

Yeah, the "Tide pods" incident was more fabrication than real, people believing what other people said on the internet. Which is a good model for ChatGPT, which not only believes what it sees on the internet, but indulges in fabrication to produce a good story.

It wasn't as much a fake challenge as someone trying to make a point by claiming people were eating the brightly colored Tide pods because they looked like candy. This claim was not true, it was just an attempt to make some sort of bizarre point.

Which leaves me wondering if the implied metamessage is the point.

[delicate stream]

Part of the problem is that with other chat bot things, they generally would pull from hard-coded facts in a database, and deliver only that info, and then would say "sorry, I don't know that" for anything outside of that scope; people assume ChatGPT to work in a similar way, when in reality it has no database of facts, it just has a mathematical model of language and what words statistically should come next based on inputs

[raw jasper]

I don't think people "assume" anything about how chatgpt works

[brazen wyvern]

people tried to post ChatGPT on stackexchange lol

[late fulcrum]

I suspect most peoples' assumptions are more basic, along the lines of "I asked it a question, and I got a well worded, plausible sounding answer, it's probably correct."

[raw jasper]

For some reason, I have the feeling that certain sectors of tech-adjacent people have made some sort of religion out of the assumed progress of ChatGPT

Some of the discussion around it seems to have messianic or eschatologic vibes

[delicate stream]

Yeah, this is what I meant, that they expect the same behavior as other bots and logical in means logical out for question and answer

[late fulcrum]

I had a discussion with someone about exactly that yesterday. She thought it was a harbinger of real machine intelligence. Whereas I argued the point of view that it's all a façade, and there isn't any real intelligence or understanding, despite appearances.

[brazen wyvern]

I also dislike calling ML AI.

[delicate stream]

Yeah, there are a lot of not technical people thinking that ChatGPT is a super intelligent mind and that we're going to be using it everywhere with no issues. They don't realize how dumb it actually is

[delicate stream]

Fancy fancy calculator

[late fulcrum]

The intriguing thing is that this was a very technical person, with real world experience with machine learning and allied technologies.

[raw jasper]

I've also seen people who seem technical mesianically expect that, even though the current versions of ChatGPT are limited, they will be a harbinger of something superhuman to come

(often in the form of presumed future ChatGPT versions)

It reminds me of the discussion around some other past (fin)tech fads, that now happen to be mostly dead.

[late fulcrum]

I'll admit I've seen some demonstrations that are pretty compelling (in particular, the one where they gave it some code, asked it to explain how the code works, optimize it, and explain the optimizations, and it gave rigorously correct responses). That does seem to show conceptual understanding, although I still believe it's an illusion.

[delicate stream]

I think… Maybe eventually? We might have AI that surpasses humanity very quickly? But ChatGPT is like an amoeba in comparison to human intelligence, a LONG way off

[tardy badger]

I tend to think intelligence is far to complex to emulate with the tools we have right now

I don’t think we truly comprehend what intelligence means

[raw jasper]

Ah yes, the last thing we need as a Very Mature Society who can't even deal with a pandemic is Superhuman AI

[late fulcrum]

Heh, maybe we do!

[tardy badger]

Lol

[delicate stream]

Given how easily you can get it to ignore a fact it got right and take your “correction”, yeah, it’s definitely not intelligent, lol

[raw jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/kent-brockman-insect-overlords-simpsons-reporter-welcome-gif-16530360

[delicate stream]

I mean it could fix all the world’s problems. We might not survive, but it could fix the world

[tardy badger]

Anyway, all most “AI” is large trained data sets that try to piece together coherent responses

[late fulcrum]

I do admit to the temptation to leverage it for evil things for the good of humanity.

[tardy badger]

Convincing it to delete it’s training set?

[raw jasper]

I mean, removing humanity from the equation definitely would fix a lot of the worlds problems. In the long run. Problem is, by that objective function, the hypothetical apocalyptic messianic AI should power itself down too, considering the amount of power it would need to run

[brazen wyvern]

A friend of mine derive three rules to decide a person is not worthy engaging with: 1.The person believe in alternative medicine. 2. The person irrationally rejects GMO food. 3. The person is religious.

[late fulcrum]

More like have it go around on social media and smack down nutty and counterproductive ideas.

[brazen wyvern]

now I can easily add no.4 rule

[raw jasper]

I ran into this on arxiv the other day. Perhaps I should actually read it
https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.09511

[delicate stream]

I’m sure it’ll figure out how to power itself with zero point energy or something

[late fulcrum]

While I do believe in some forms of alternative medicine in strictly limited ways, I have zero problems with GMO food (and good understand of what that actually means), and I am religious, but not in mainstream or organized ways.

[delicate stream]

Insufficient definition of parameters! Invalid rule set detected

[late fulcrum]

I also have a plan I probably will implement to (mis)use chatbot technology to flood call scammers and waste their time on an industrial scale.

[brazen wyvern]

voice to text is hard even with ML

[raw jasper]

.....And that, my dears, is how the AI bored itself to death and became superintelligent

[late fulcrum]

True, but the penalty for failure is near nil, so I don't care

[delicate stream]

It’s generally not a good idea to try to apply a small set of broad rules with a wide brush. That set of “rules” might disqualify half this server

[tardy badger]

I love the videos of the guy who pretends to be a grandma and hacks their call center and starts wiping out computers

[raw jasper]

Don't need ML for that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_(bot)

[late fulcrum]

Also, voice to text is much easier when the "person" you're talking to is working from a known script.

[tardy badger]

AI scam calls are already effective

One instance someone spoofed the voice of a banking CEO and made a $31m withdrawal

[late fulcrum]

I get a couple of emails a day claiming I was charged $399 for a service, and to call this number to cancel the charge. I figure if I maintain 20000 simultaneous calls to that number for a few days, their ability to scam people with it will be nullified.

I'm trying to talk IBM and IntelePeer into partnering with me.

[raw jasper]

I'm having trouble finding it plausible that IBM, of all corpos, would partner with an individual

[late fulcrum]

I have an unusual connection with IBM.

[delicate stream]

madbodger corporation knows people

[tardy badger]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/10/14/huge-bank-fraud-uses-deep-fake-voice-tech-to-steal-millions/?sh=346b955a7559

[raw jasper]

An unusual case where the corporation is actually a person! :P

[late fulcrum]

IBM could use a PR win after the Watson Health debacle, too.

[delicate stream]

Maybe we need to have people physically meet with a bank manager to do insanely huge transfers

[tardy badger]

If common sense was common, it would just be called sense

[raw jasper]

You want gray goo effigies? 'Coz that's how you get gray goo effigies :P

[brazen wyvern]

when dealing with money it's common sense to always use per-shared key verification.

[delicate stream]

Lol, we’ll get to the person cloning later

[late fulcrum]

I did work on one PR project that failed, where IBM and I partnered with Buffalo Wild Wings for a sports event, and they hung microphones at two BWW locations where sports teams were based, televised the game, and fed the microphones to IBM Watson to score which crowd was supporting their team best.

[raw jasper]

Not a lawyer, but potentially violating the cfaa doesn't sound like a win to me

[late fulcrum]

That was only one of many problems

[raw jasper]

(Thinking about it, it speaks volumes that me, a non-American who doesn't live and has never lived in the USA knows about the CFAA)

[late fulcrum]

https://stories.inspirebrands.com/buffalo-wild-wings-kicked-off-college-football-season-hosting-head-to-head-competition/

[delicate stream]

I don’t remember that

[tardy badger]

Watson health… was that where Watson was spilling personal health data?

[late fulcrum]

https://slate.com/technology/2022/01/ibm-watson-health-failure-artificial-intelligence.html

[raw jasper]

I feel most of the money IBM makes these days is by selling IBM Z mainframes

[delicate stream]

I’m guessing this “failed” insofar that basically nobody heard about it?

[raw jasper]

I might have read somewhere that most doctors who used it considered it a flop, because it essentially outputted garbage.

[late fulcrum]

Right. It worked about as well as you can imagine. A speech to text engine tuned for one person speaking at a time over a telephone didn't do well with a microphone aimed at a room full of noisy people.

[raw jasper]

However, my memory might be wrong.

[delicate stream]

Lol, the BWW thing, not the health thing

[late fulcrum]

I'm working with IBM and a health care company who's developing a model to identify various types of cancers, and they're running into the same problem: if given input that doesn't match the training set very well, the responses are no better than random.

[raw jasper]

I feel you could get better performance by just comparing the stdevs (~intensity) of the directional microphone signals

[late fulcrum]

Since I wrote the software, I folded in that sort of logic as a backup (which they ended up using)

[tardy badger]

Good backup plan at least

[dusty citrus]

How does it work? You email your service(s) and hope to get an answer?

[late fulcrum]

I email my contacts at the various companies, outline my plan and the advantages they may get from it, offering to do the engineering myself, and see what happens.

[dusty citrus]

Finally I got a 5G plan, an austonish 4.5mb

[late fulcrum]

To get 5G, I'd need a 5G phone, but mine's been stuck in Hong Kong for months.

[static flare]

My phone is 5G but I don't have a 5G plan

[late fulcrum]

I don't think my provider has a separate plan, they just connect whatever the phone supports to whatever is available in the area.

[delicate stream]

Lol, I have almost no signal and still got more than double that

Much better near a window

[late fulcrum]

Looks like you have a 5G connection.

[delicate stream]

Yup, always 5G at home

[dusty citrus]

5G should give more speed and it's crap
Bah I'm still saving 2 euros monthly from the previous plan so yadda

[delicate stream]

I didn’t know carriers were still offering non-5G plans

There’s no choice here

[umbral phoenix]

I have an old plan, but carrier supplies 5G when it's available. My phone is 5G, but my hotspot devices are not.

In the process of testing Starlink to see if it's worth it, and if there's a place where I can install it that will work.

(it really bugs me to be giving Elon money, but I have few options here)

[dusty citrus]

Mah every company is the same, complaining how Russia has oligarchs, as if we did not have any

[delicate stream]

The problem with a buttface dumbo owning a company that does something cool and/or useful…

[umbral phoenix]

'zackly

[delicate stream]

I hope another company offers Starlink-class satellite internet in the near future

[umbral phoenix]

competition is a Good Thing

my internet right now is DSL + a bunch of mobile hotspot devices from a couple of carriers... expensive but the only way I can get the data volumes I use and some semblance of speed

[delicate stream]

You can still get DSL????

[dusty citrus]

I'd wish gov competition, but it's illegal

[umbral phoenix]

grandfathered, if I quit it, I could never get it back. but it's $60+ /month for 5Mbps

[delicate stream]

Jeebus

[late fulcrum]

I have (unreliable) Verizon DSL as a backup to my (unreliable) Comcast cable internet.

[delicate stream]

We pay $80/month for TV, phone, and 100Mbps fibre

[umbral phoenix]

yeah, that's the going rate it seems for where's there are ac=tually choices

[late fulcrum]

Due to long-ago political wrangling, we can't have fibre here.

[delicate stream]

We were forced to upgrade to fiber years ago, they don’t support DSL or POTS phones in this area anymore

[late fulcrum]

Even though a major fibre trunk runs right across the street from me.

[umbral phoenix]

yeah there's fiber near me too, and cable, but just not near enough

[delicate stream]

Here there are 2 choices — Verizon and Comcrap, the former is fast and stable, the latter goes out constantly, is slow (especially when everyone is home), and Comcrap likes adding random extra charges at random times

[umbral phoenix]

I keep the DSL b/c it is Rock-Solid... always 5Mbps and no drops

yeah, there's been a serious lack of anti-trust action for decades

[delicate stream]

We had Verizon DSL for ages and it was always solid, Altho they were up to like 15Mbps by the time they pulled it