live-broadcast-chat

[warm pulsar]

@cinder wind CP=?NP? That's UDP for me.

[grim ginkgo]

24 days is forever... to the avg zoomer.

[sinful meadow]

that's like thousands of tiktoks!

[grim ginkgo]

lol

[modern night]

As it it's really neat!

[sinful meadow]

how do i figure out what devices can listen for these advertisements? what version of bl do they need to have?

[grim ginkgo]

cpython you can run with -C1, it turns off assertions 😉

[modern night]

This is exactly a branch of project I can see a lot of labs using. First gradstudents building a coffee monitor (in the spirit of the first webcam) then quickly scaling to other small monitoring tasks. it's so neat how easy it is to setup and get running

[sinful meadow]

ah so extended is just longer

[warm pulsar]

@sinful meadow I use nrfconnect on my phone to see the whole list of what's around me. The list is crazy long where I live and I don't even live in a condo tower...

[grim ginkgo]

clever hack

[ornate coyote]

was about to do my CPY PR!!! bummer missed getting it done live! Just checking all pins again to make sure!

[cinder wind]

thanks Scott! Thanks dcd!

[modern night]

Thanks for the stream and have a great weekend all!

[eager matrix]

Thanks Scott.

[balmy tinsel]

Thanks Scott!

[ornate coyote]

bye everyone! have a great weekend!

[grim ginkgo]

Thanks 🙂

[timid plover]

sweet - thanks again scott!

[sinful meadow]

thanks scott, see you next week

[rapid hornet]

thanks all!

[inner spade]

Thanks!

[ornate coyote]

@rapid hornet meant to ask... is there a targeted release date for 7.2?

[rapid hornet]

nope, want to coordinate it with something?

[ornate coyote]

no, just curious... my boards will ship with whatever 7.2 alpha/beta is latest at the time.

just don't want to keep "re-flashing" my stock every few days to make sure they are on the bleeding edge

gets tiresome! hahaha

like I'm re-flashing them all again now with the latest so BLE scanning is there.

[rapid hornet]

🙂

we could do releases to match if you like

[smoky island]

Starting up the stream in a moment. Working on PIL image manipulation for winamp themes today. Hang out here in the chat and follow along on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch or Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8ojCiywEyY

[clever summit]

Hey Foamy.

Today is 3D printing day. 🙂

[noble grove]

Hi Foamyguy. Looked like the second half of the text in the Jackie Chan theme was Reverse colour.

[inner spade]

Text is different on each skin.

[noble grove]

My bad. Not reverse, just a lighter background.

[inner spade]

Lower case on Chan skin; dithers differently when resized

[noble grove]

Maybe take an average of 4 pixels to reduce the error from dithering.

Will that left edge be pixel perfect if it is a "2"?

Got it.

And the scrolling isn't it the preview...

*in

Looks like LCARS

and one to the right would be the foregrond.

Slashed zeros.

Is that mirror just for previews?

And the top half bottom half colours

from the zip

[inner spade]

Dithering the font when resizing may not be pretty.

[noble grove]

But you could still get colours: background, highlight, etc

[inner spade]

Yeah, numbers are larger and might survive okay

[noble grove]

If you're going to download it to get the time font, may as well scrape whatever data is feasible to implement.

Plus the colon.

but it shifts the last two digits off the 12

[inner spade]

There are five clock chars with the colon

[noble grove]

Not monospace. Colon is narrower.

if i > 1 add colonwidth

List sounds good.

Sunk cost?

[inner spade]

Get a 3.5” TFT FeatherWing, too. Same screen size as PyPortal Titano.

[noble grove]

Selected one reorder with move up/move down buttons

[inner spade]

There’s a scroll bar there, too

[noble grove]

Simulated transparency.

Could be special characters, but the 32nd character should be space

[inner spade]

Gradient fonts will be a challenge

[noble grove]

Maybe. Just guessing.

[clever summit]

32 is ASCII space

[noble grove]

Yeah, ASCII. But A is 65 so might not work.

[inner spade]

Space would either be background or transparent

[clever summit]

Yeah, the first chars in ASCII is not printable.

[noble grove]

That part was transparent on a different zoom level

How about before or after the = sign

[inner spade]

Would be easier to scan a few pixels around the chars in the preview and compare to background

Then pick the non background color

But in the preview, not in the pixel font

Scan 20 horizontal pixels and look for non-background color

Wouldn’t have to download anything but the preview .png

[noble grove]

Could even check if there were more than one foreground colour. (top half / bottom half)

@inner spade Still have to download the zip for the time font.

[inner spade]

Ah yes.

[noble grove]

@inner spade Still agree with you about scanning the png for the colours

Doesn't have 'mirror' in the url

maybe the thumbnail

Some of those domains have 'mirror' and some don't

Sorry, I have no knowledge of how clicking on images in a browser works

Not TOO loud.

So much for the time font.

[inner spade]

Just working from the preview is a good trade-off for the initial version, especially given the limited feature set.

[noble grove]

Thanks foamyguy

[clever summit]

Thanks. Good progress today!

[noble grove]

g i i

[inner spade]

Thanks @smoky island !

[smoky island]

Thanks all 👋 hope everyone has a nice day and weekend!

[noble grove]

Thanks for not pronouncing it Geordie

[ionic garnet]

Yes Kattni. I am using it extensively. Thanks. I am just looking for a large collection of coded animations in C, C++, or Python. I use the Adafruit Animation library in CircuitPython for some of my own custom animations. I've also recently started using FastLed in C/C++ on low horsepower/minimal RAM boards like SAMD21-based systems. I don't buy those minimal systems much favoring RP2040, ESP32, and M4-based systems.

[ionic garnet]

I am using M4 on a numnber of projects due to its speed and hardware floating point. I have not made my own based animation classes yet, simple reusing the classes defined in the adafruit_animations module. For some of my ideas about custom animations I need to do color blending and fractional color calculations for smooth fades and handling colliding colors with fractional components. As always I find the docs you've written useful. What I would really love to see is more examples of some non-trivial use cases. Many of my questions surround AnimationSequences and how to extend or override some default functionality. I have not yet done a full review of the lib's source code yet. I simply always look for useful example code or open source uses that may drive a deeper understanding before diving into a code review of the implementation. I'll be 60 this year and I am a little lazier than I used to be in that regard!

[grand tusk]

Have you tried FancyLED?

[green bison]

Does LadyAda answer questions about products in Desk of LadyAda? It's been a while since I watched and I can't recall.

[ashen dove]

She answered a question for me one time, so yes.

[green bison]

Ok I'll try to be online for it, thank you

[green bison]

Is it bad practice to ping @ladyada or @open girder during the show? I've seen people do it but I don't know if it's poorly received.

wow that's coming out weird

That's supposed to be (at)Adafruit

but escaped

[steep dew]

I wonder if she's even looking at the feed during the broadcast, or if she's got someone filtering/moderating for her...

[ashen dove]

I believe PT watches the chat

[green bison]

that's what I gathered. Don't want to be a nuisance, but I've got a question about some code she wrote!

[ashen dove]

desk coming up

[open girder]

The Desk of Ladyada - Stemma Sunday & VFD Vunday https://youtu.be/w__LRpe4G28

[ashen dove]

How about calling them Trinkey limited

[open girder]

Not Forever Trinkey Series ...

🙂

[green bison]

Question for LadyAda (on mobile so brief). Is there a reason there isn't a way to turn on a pattern of LEDs at full brightness/off in the AW9523 library? I'm planning to write one and am wondering if there was a structural reason not to do that/something dangerous to the chip I should be worried about

[open girder]

@green bison will get to this right after great search, all good 🙂

[viral sail]

Funny story today - went to my friend's house to help her shovel out from the snowstorm yesterday. After we were done, she pulled out an old floppy disk she found it in some 12 year old files, and asked if I could do anything with it. 💾

[shell mason]

Timed Trinkey Series

Nixie Trinkey series

[viral sail]

Thanks and good night. Happy Lunar New Year. 🌑 🐅

[midnight plinth]

Thank you, good show

[drifting wyvern]

Oh, e1 vs g1 is lead-free vs green

So maybe like low halogen?

Not very up on anything past lead free and CdS photo resistors are endangered

[ionic garnet]

sorry I missed you. It's footballs fault

We got 2 feet snow here in Massachusetts. Beautiful out there

[grand tusk]

I'm here for the deals.

[haughty quiver]

It's the same as all my deals it's just VOLUME VOLUME VOLUME

[grand tusk]

He doesn't know the territory.

[shadow epoch]

Hey all you beautiful Tuesday people!

[viral sail]

Good afternoon.

[tacit garnet]

Happy pick.o.w. day

[upbeat coral]

Hey y'll

[inner spade]

👋

[haughty quiver]

Hiya!

[viscid bolt]

Good afternoon

[drowsy inlet]

Hello all

[midnight plinth]

Won't miss this one.

[drowsy inlet]

Will we get to see an actual bird-bodied man? Or will it be man-headed bird?

[tacit garnet]

Birds of a feather beat together

[smoky island]

🐦

[drowsy inlet]

YES!!!

[tacit garnet]

Howard!

[ivory flax]

Good Afternoon JP

[midnight plinth]

Neither

[haughty quiver]

hello

[viral sail]

🦆

[drowsy inlet]

The bird-headed man instead!

[fresh flame]

is that a duck?

[cinder wind]

once again RaspberryPi coming through having chips when no one else does

[haughty quiver]

quack, honk

[fresh flame]

[inner spade]

Manimal!

[upbeat coral]

Darn, wish I didn't need battery to go with this. Shipping going to cost as much as components. Guess Ill just have to order more things.🥴

[cinder wind]

Is this the only Feather with a StemmaQT connector?

[clear matrix]

Not anymore!

[echo canopy]

Question…. If you use Circuit python 🐍 with the RP2040 Feather 🪶 can you do deep sleep 💤? Is it supported yet? Also- can you deep sleep in Arduino? Thoughts? Thanks

[upbeat coral]

@cinder wind heavens no.

[clear matrix]

Feather ESP32-S2 has STEMMA QT as well.

[cinder wind]

oh yeah the ESP32-S2 Feather also has StemmaQT https://www.adafruit.com/product/5303

[clear matrix]

Yep!

[fresh flame]

ouch

[grand tusk]

He's doing that max headroom bit again.

[cinder wind]

whoa that was cool

[shadow epoch]

Aw, Max Headroom memories

[fresh flame]

the video is glitching

[scenic prawn]

John Parkroom

[queen sentinel]

Any word on when CircuitPython rp2040 I2C Peripheral will come about?

[scenic prawn]

what's the best way to get wifi on to this?

[cinder wind]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4264

[grand tusk]

Can it run Rust?

[scenic prawn]

and it's in the cart!

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver

[upbeat coral]

Thank you for taking time for us.

[grand tusk]

thanks

[inner spade]

Thanks!

[shadow epoch]

so exciting trying to check out before JP stops talking

[fresh flame]

thank you!

[inner spade]

We need an extended music bumper at the end. Perhaps 10 more minutes?

[shadow epoch]

Someone has to volunteer to keep him talking

[odd zodiac]

cheers @haughty quiver

[cinder wind]

For RP2040 deep sleep in Arduino, looks like there's an open issue here https://github.com/earlephilhower/arduino-pico/issues/345 For CircuitPython, looks like alarm.exit_and_deep_sleep_until_alarms() is supported: https://circuitpython.readthedocs.io/en/latest/shared-bindings/alarm/index.html#alarm.exit_and_deep_sleep_until_alarms

[fresh flame]

rp2040 is my "circuitpython chip"

[echo canopy]

Thank you …

[haughty quiver]

thanks all!

[fresh flame]

[drowsy inlet]

Is anyone able to watch JP's PPotW and not purchase something? Not me. 😁

[fresh flame]

I picked up multiple of them

I am basically waiting for JP's PPotW to make my adafruit purchase

now I should have enough "maker gifts" for a while

RP2040 feather is the best maker gift

It's small, cheap, and powerful, and runs CircuitPython

fantastic for giving away

[ionic garnet]

I have to do something about these work meetings interfering with JPPPOW

But I did manage to order the Feather. Love this one. Already have about 10

[ionic garnet]

Nope

[rocky reef]

3DHangouts Episode 355 LIVE VU Meter, Party Parrots and Quantum Fractal Stars in 15mins! https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live #3DPrinting #3DHangouts

[hard hollow]

☕️⚡️

[rocky reef]

good morning, even, afternoon and night folks all around the world!

[drowsy inlet]

Hello all

[shell mason]

in 2/2/22 we have great shows

[drowsy inlet]

it's a wednesday that's a 2's day 🙂

[viral sail]

Good morning.

[upbeat coral]

Hey Y'll

[drowsy inlet]

Wish we had gotten a snow day due to all the snow here so there'd be time to make some of this stuff. That VU meter has my eye.

[wise iris]

good morning!

[upbeat coral]

Working on a Pip-Boy. Ordered my 2040 feather yesterday during JP's show.👍

[devout vortex]

Hey friends

[rocky reef]

https://www.adafruit.com/free

[shell mason]

well the second 2 day is in 22nd

[upbeat coral]

@devout vortex love the moniker. I'm a bourbon snob myself.

[rocky reef]

https://www.adafruit.com/jobs

[shell mason]

on february 22nd its 2/22/2022 what a day

[rocky reef]

Subscribe to Adafruit Newsletters - https://www.adafruitdaily.com/

[upbeat coral]

Hmmm... wonder if I could add that to my Pip-Boy....

[shell mason]

for 3d projects of snail or galastopod

[unreal bay]

Beastly

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/astroneer-galastropods-xenobiology-update-caracoles-espaciales-galasterópodos-gif-24488853

[rocky reef]

Learn Guide -
https://learn.adafruit.com/neopixel-mini-vu-meter

[drowsy inlet]

very cool

[rocky reef]

YouTube Project Video -
https://youtu.be/9lymyZkPWMk

[shell mason]

pip-boy with those vfd could be nice for too

[rocky reef]

Code on GitHub -
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Learning_System_Guides/tree/main/NeoPixel_Mini_VU_Meter

QT Py RP2040 -
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4900

[shell mason]

if you want to make 3d printable prpject with some animation too this could give idea https://twitter.com/astroneergame/status/1486741714421239811?s=20&t=qvX40_K4R400l0-637og8w

ASTRONEER - Now on Nintendo Switch!! (@astroneergame)

You can pet the snails in Astroneer @CanYouPetTheDog https://t.co/fdmRsY9wkB

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[rocky reef]

https://tenor.com/view/rex-captain-rex-rx24-rex-droid-droid-gif-13429994

Black LED Acrylic -
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4594

PDM Mic -
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4346

Mini Skinny NeoPixel Strip 144/meter -
https://www.adafruit.com/product/2969

[upbeat coral]

Magic, I watched the "Explaining the Future" show yesterday where he talks about 'Magic' is not understanding the technology. I live in a world of magic.

[shell mason]

DJ project with lots of those

[upbeat coral]

Chris Barnett

[rocky reef]

Stemma QT Cable -
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4209

[drowsy inlet]

Q: could that be expanded to be more like an equalizer display? or would that be difficult to extract certain ranges?

[rocky reef]

CircuitPython Downloads - https://circuitpython.org/
https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live

[drowsy inlet]

awesome thanks

[rocky reef]

3D Parts Library on GitHub -
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CAD_Parts

[shadow epoch]

very satisfying animation. 🙂

[rocky reef]

10-wire ribbon cable -
https://www.adafruit.com/product/3890

M2.5 Hardware Kit -
https://www.adafruit.com/product/3299

[shell mason]

battery level visualizer could be nice with that guide too

[rocky reef]

https://learn.adafruit.com/trellis-m4-audio-visualizer-and-filter

https://learn.adafruit.com/mini-led-matrix-audio-visualizer

[shell mason]

the foot pedal

i have used those pedal for control solder paste insert

[nova totem]

Hidden mute/unmute button for meetings I always lose even a separate button for that

[rocky reef]

Quantum Filament Matterhackers -
https://www.matterhackers.com/store/c/matterhackers-quantum-pla

[wise iris]

oh, I NEED that foot pedal

[unreal bay]

We don't get the fullscreen video

[rocky reef]

https://www.prusaprinters.org/prints/124241-tusken-chief-staff-remix tusken staff remix

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5222539 feather box for USB C

https://skkaw.blog/2022/01/30/building-my-own-darksaber/ darksaber

https://www.thingiverse.com/make:1007847 16x16 neopixel matrix display

https://www.prusaprinters.org/prints/7149-links-hylian-shield/comments#comment-143710 hylian shield

[unreal bay]

Ha you guys motivated me to smash the monthly limit for January. 169points

[viral sail]

Thanks @rocky reef & @hard hollow, great show. See you all tonight.

[upbeat coral]

Thank you for giving us your time

[wise iris]

thanks guys

[unreal bay]

Thanks guys. Love you one show to talk multi material in Cura, using a single head so the m600 gcode or @pause in octoprint

[hard hollow]

yay thanks folks cya tonight 😄

[drowsy inlet]

thanks!

[rocky reef]

thanks so much for hanging out folks!

[dry marten]

Thanks for the show!

[viral sail]

Hello.

[open girder]

WE ARE LIVE! Floppy Interfacing Hack Chat with Adafruit at Hackaday ! 3pm ET on Weds. Feb 2, 2022 https://hackaday.io/messages/room/2369 https://youtu.be/KQvzZKNvRM0

[clever summit]

🇸🇪 👋

[upbeat coral]

Hey y'll

[eager matrix]

Hi everyone.

[shell mason]

making the floppies great again as for makers for sure

[odd zodiac]

You say Potato, I say Tee-Ack

[split gazelle]

good evening folks

[waxen thistle]

Right back ya Liz!

[nova totem]

Good evening

[waxen thistle]

And good evening to all you wonderful people.

[raw tapir]

Howdy!

Have some vintage test gear to show tonight. 🙂

[dim wigeon]

Happy local time interval, everyone!

[smoky island]

Hello to everyone 👋

[tulip canyon]

Hello friendly maker community!

GPS or Show & Tell?

[raw tapir]

Both!

[viral sail]

Good evening everyone.

[fallow fractal]

Hello my friend!

[open surge]

Hey everybody

[hard hollow]

https://streamyard.com/88fvzhzhsv

[upbeat coral]

Hey y'll

[waxen thistle]

☕ this is the way.

🍌 ☎️

[dim wigeon]

My grandparents had that exact phone in their bedroom.

[nova totem]

I know I had that phone growing up. I think that what the student phone was at elementary school

[dim wigeon]

Looks like you can score them for about $40 on eBay these days.

[noble grove]

We had one of those when I was a kid. (almond, not black)

[split gazelle]

@haughty quiver this is possibly the coolest thing ever

[dim wigeon]

Woah. THAT is cool.

[waxen thistle]

Now, let's have Data from Star Trek encrypt the Enterprise's computer using a rotary phone....

[tulip canyon]

SMS next?

[noble grove]

And and Erikaphone

[waxen thistle]

RotarySMS

[open surge]

the only thing that could slow Data down is a rotary phone

[tulip canyon]

Call him... later

[nova totem]

T9 on a rotary phone

[tulip canyon]

phreakin' awesome

[slow spire]

Hi all!

[tulip canyon]

Phones floppies and synths - love all the "retro"

[dim wigeon]

Everything old is new again…

[noble grove]

Is it an Erica phone?

[split gazelle]

amazing @smoky island

[haughty quiver]

this one is Western Electric 500DM

[waxen thistle]

Rotary phones, winamp....I love this step back in time

[haughty quiver]

ooh love that skin @smoky island !

[nova totem]

every presenter tonight needs a quick "I'm coming from the year..." intro

[haughty quiver]

haha

[open surge]

@smoky island I can't wait, have a totally different project to use that with. That's awesome!

[shell mason]

so winamp vibes

[delicate fractal]

A retro vibe from the 80s on a winamp skin from the late 90s... is that retro-squared?

[noble grove]

I was in that stream too

[smoky island]

I'm thinking we need to make a CircuitPython / Blinka Winamp skin next

[haughty quiver]

fun, @nova totem

[tulip canyon]

pic processor?

[haughty quiver]

hahaha

[smoky island]

Nice! which part are you interested in re-using? I'm planning to generalize the scrolling label and maybe add it as a new type of label in the display_text library.

[tulip canyon]

Archer!

[open surge]

I want to use the top art and use the bottom 2/3 to show coverart instead.

[delicate fractal]

Archer was the radio shack house brand, no?

[waxen thistle]

Retro evening!

[delicate fractal]

Also, active? Is Mark in Toronto?

[dim wigeon]

Archer was one of several Radio Shack house brands, I think.

I have some old 1980s Radio Shack catalog PDFs floating around someplace.

[shell mason]

from Park of JOhn to rest of the show and tell so retro

[nova totem]

It says it was from Radio shack a divison of Tandy

[nova totem]

Winnipeg but yeah Canada

[tulip canyon]

Great demo!

[waxen thistle]

I forget how big those electron guns used to be

[delicate fractal]

Did Active Surplus have a store in Winnipeg? I don't remember them doing mail-order.

[dim wigeon]

@nova totem Your “learning about fuses” story reminds me of how I learned about them. We were doing a science unit with batteries and little light bulbs in like 4th grade, and I noticed “2 batteries = brighter bulb” and decided to see what would happen if I plugged the little bulb into the wall outlet. 🙂

[split gazelle]

i love all this retro stuff mainly because i never had access to that kind of stuff so it's great to see it now and hear people's stories

[raw tapir]

Forgot to mention, that Tek 453 was designed for use by IBM field engineers and to be "portable" at a mere 29 pounds...LOL.

[dim wigeon]

The bulb was VERY bright, but only for a moment. And then I blew the breaker for half a floor of my school, and my teacher was picking bits of glass out of the wall for several days.

[nova totem]

I just recall a single store (it is still an electronics part store but forget the name). I didn't really buy much back then, was more just writing code

[tulip canyon]

Retro text! nice

[nova totem]

Always have to love how kids think.

[dim wigeon]

For sure. My teacher wasn’t even (very) angry with me.

[smoky island]

@balmy steppe really cool idea. It would be super interesting to see visualizations over time like a stadium filling up and emptying out or something like that.

[balmy steppe]

https://github.com/MichaelLacock/BLE-SPY

[raw tapir]

Nice. Always loved LED bar graphs!

[delicate fractal]

Active Surplus was like the heart of what passed for maker culture as late as the 90s in Toronto. You never knew what you'd find there. I tried making chainmail from 10 pounds of keyrings I bought there. It was too heavy to hold itself together.

[balmy steppe]

I know, it's very interesting tech!

[ornate coyote]

hey everyone!

[dim wigeon]

I grew up in Toronto, and I don’t remember Active Surplus…but maybe I just don’t remember the name. Where was it?

[tulip canyon]

ASYNCIO ALL THE THINGS!

[open surge]

yay for asyncio!

[ornate coyote]

Yay asyncio @split gazelle !!!!!!

[viral sail]

Great projects everyone. Thanks for sharing.

[split gazelle]

yay!

[ornate coyote]

bummer, I was late and missed it all!!!

[raw tapir]

Awesome stuff, everyone!!!

[tulip canyon]

Thanks everyone, great show as always

[waxen thistle]

Thanks everyone for sharing! So much cool retro and new projects!

[rocky reef]

awesome projects everyone!

[hard hollow]

great projects tonight folks!

[smoky island]

Hooray! great projects everyone!

[nova totem]

Great @split gazelle. I love that that VU-meter looks. Also been modifying your mini visualizer code to try it with the native code I just PRed

[split gazelle]

great projects everybody and great job hosting @sour ridge && @rocky reef !

[dim wigeon]

That was awesome, everyone!

[waxen thistle]

Indeed, stellar job hosting Noe & Pedro!

[split gazelle]

thank you! and that's awesome!

[nova totem]

Great job everyone.

[sour ridge]

@hard hollow Think you mean this guy

[raw tapir]

And I have a bunch of rotary phones in my eBay watchlist. I thank/blame @haughty quiver for that. 😅

[split gazelle]

oh sorry!

[delicate fractal]

Queen St W, near Peter street. They were across the street from Bakka Phoenix (the scifi/fantasy bookstore), same block as The Silver Snail, and had an animatronic gorilla out front.

[waxen thistle]

Any place that has an animatronic gorilla out front is awesome in my book.

[dim wigeon]

@delicate fractal Oh, I do remember that place! I’d just forgotten the name! Wow, that was a blast from the past.

[waxen thistle]

Now we need a place with an animatronic dancing parrot.

[ionic garnet]

Hello fellow geeklies

[noble grove]

Are we talking about Active Surplus?

[delicate fractal]

We are! Mark Gamblor found some solder that was still in an A.S. baggie.

[noble grove]

I used to build IBM and Apple clones down the street from there.

[nova totem]

This is the handheld game I showed. Now I guess I have to fix it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvmIQ-pBVQ

[shut crown]

related: https://www.evilmadscientist.com/2010/what-makes-blip-tick/

[dim wigeon]

@noble grove Where at? I have childhood memories of a place somewhere downtown that had big bins of Apple ][ stuff, and I’ve been trying to place it.

[delicate fractal]

Wasn't there like a thousand clone shops in the area?

[dim wigeon]

Wow, a trip down memory lane for me tonight!

[noble grove]

You want me to remember the name? That's like 35 years ago.

[dim wigeon]

LOL hey, I figured it was worth a shot. 🙂

[open girder]

ASK AN ENGINEER 2/2/2022 LIVE! https://youtu.be/UJwhDadH1Gg

[noble grove]

I don't think it was a thousand, but that is the area

[delicate fractal]

Hyperbole is my middle name. 😄

[dim wigeon]

My first computer came from the Commodore shop near Avenue Rd. and Eglinton.

[delicate fractal]

I remember that shop!

[ionic garnet]

bleepin boop

[shell mason]

so snowy

[turbid hill]

looks like calgary at the moment

[ornate coyote]

Wow, look how sunny NY looks 🙂

[ionic garnet]

we got pounded here in Massachusetts

[sinful meadow]

17 here today, im freezing

[nova totem]

I just shoveled a couple hours ago. Having one of those super cold, then warm but snows a bunch, then super cold again years

[delicate fractal]

Was that Lady Ada in front of a Thinking Machines?

[open girder]

yep!

[delicate fractal]

(assuming I'm remembering the name right)

[open girder]

it was a machine in back of a thinking ladyada

[ionic garnet]

We were at -1 this week but warming now

[delicate fractal]

It's super-retro night.

[ionic garnet]

30°F

[nova totem]

low of -30F tonight 😦

[dim wigeon]

I think the company was called Thinking Machines, and the computer was the Connection Machine, if I’m remembering right.

[ionic garnet]

the FruitVerse

[ornate coyote]

My poor eyeballs 😉

[ionic garnet]

darn it. I bought stuff already today!11

oh well. more coming

[delicate fractal]

Definitely right!

[dim knot]

https://www.adafruit.com/free

[waxen thistle]

Happy Birthday JP! 🎂

[ebon stratus]

-25 tonight (-50 with windchill) here in N Minnesota. I'll trade anyone their snow for our cold. 😂

[open girder]

10% discount code, code is: interstate http://www.adafruit.com

[delicate fractal]

Wait! Farenheit ?!? Nasty!

[nova totem]

Does Celsius or Farenheit matter anymore at those temps?

[ebon stratus]

@delicate fractal yes, F

Happens every year but usually in early/mid Jan.

[delicate fractal]

Well, it's cold either way... so I guess not. They cross at -40, iirc...

[delicate fractal]

Winter came late here in Ontario, too.

[ebon stratus]

👍

[delicate fractal]

That's an awesome 70's scifi aesthetic!

[ebon stratus]

Moscow calling... LOL

[ionic garnet]

I still remember my first ever telephone number even though it hasn't been used since 1982. But I can't remember my name

[nova totem]

fisher price recently rereleased a lot of their old toys

[ebon stratus]

@delicate fractal are truckers causing food shortages? (but I do sympathize with them)

[split gazelle]

might need to invest in that fisher price phone

[dim wigeon]

Same.

[noble grove]

@ionic garnet Me too, but back then it was only 7 digits

[delicate fractal]

not that I've seen, so far. I have no sympathy. Any benefit of the doubt was gone when they defaced Terry Fox and danced on the grave of the Unknown Soldier.

[halcyon linden]

For the clear phone answer it Ahoy, Ahoy! It worked for me back in the give away days, Thanks Adafruit!

[dim wigeon]

Wait, they WHAT?!?! 😡

[nova totem]

I LOVED hypercard

[ebon stratus]

@open girder So sorry about chip shortages. I can't imagine the unique challenges it presents to keep the company going. God bless.

[turbid hill]

That sun mouse pad you want real screwy mouse motion rotate the pad 90 degrees and see what happens

[viral sail]

That CD drive is the epitome of 90s design, except there is no purple plastic on it.

[ionic garnet]

Lot's of clipping tonight

[turbid hill]

I have the sun keyboard and mouse that would go with that sun mouse pad

[cinder wind]

The Sun, NeXT, and SGI logos are my favorite logos ever

[ebon stratus]

@delicate fractal. Understand. That's awful.

[shy topaz]

Sun logo was brilliant.

[turbid hill]

I still have a sun sparc 60 system

[dim wigeon]

I think the SGI Indy I had on my desk when I worked at Adobe for a minute in the mid 90s was my favorite computer ever.

[turbid hill]

that was a machine I wish I had

[cinder wind]

Indy's were awesome

[slow spire]

Great story on the NeXT logo:
https://www.logodesignlove.com/next-logo-paul-rand

When Jobs was asked what it was like to work with Rand, he said, “I asked him if he would come up with a few options, and he said, ‘No, I will solve your problem for you and you will pay me. You don’t have to use the solution. If you want options go talk to other people.’”

[dim knot]

https://www.adafruit.com/galleries/nft

[turbid hill]

I have ElectroBoom tee-shirt Full Bridge Rectifier

[dim wigeon]

They really were! I’ve debated trying to find one on eBay. But I keep buying microcontrollers instead. 🤣🤷‍♀️

[ebon stratus]

@turbid hill Electroboom is greate!

[turbid hill]

My friend has the Irix from sgi

[sinful meadow]

datafruit?

[wind hare]

curious about the origin of the carpet

[turbid hill]

lol

[ionic garnet]

Question: Does the Adafruit Radio FeatherWing - RFM69HCW 900MHz - RadioFruit work with Feather RP2040, Feather ESP32-S2, or Feather M4 Express ?

[dim knot]

https://jobs.adafruit.com/

[viral sail]

It took Raspberry Pi surprisingly long to make Python 3 the default.

[ionic garnet]

YES. Python 2 must GO]

3.10!!!

[turbid hill]

apple should do at least 3.8 python

[dim knot]

https://www.adafruitdaily.com/

[open surge]

March 1st! Thanks pt

[tulip canyon]

classic xkcd

[ornate coyote]

Yeah, about time Apple removed 2.7 - I hope they bring in 3.9, but more likely will be 3.7 I think.

[rapid hornet]

https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/02/01/thank-you-for-circuitpython2022/

[ionic garnet]

Not only that, I had trouble building latest Python 3 from source on RPi too

learning python probably least intimidating language I can think of

[slow spire]

I just looked on the Github repo for the CP RFM69 stuff, and don't see any issues, open or closed, for those boards, so, um… probably?

[dim knot]

https://learn.adafruit.com/guides/latest

[turbid hill]

Lol do I have any rp2040 boards....

[ionic garnet]

Maybe better question regarding Lora: is there a Adafruit board with RP2040 or ESP32 or M4 available with Lora on board, or can work with Lora Featherwings? I don't like the old, small mcus that don't have good CircuitPython support.

[sinful meadow]

do you?

[cinder wind]

Yeah the Arduino core by Earle Philhower is great https://github.com/earlephilhower/arduino-pico

[hasty frigate]

I use it with the Feather 2040, and the Feather esp32-s2.

[ionic garnet]

could be, I figured it should. Just docs make a point of only highlighting old, weakling boards

Thank @slow spire and @hasty frigate

[turbid hill]

oooh spread the goop

part 3595 hmm

[ornate coyote]

Definitely NOT enough paste!!! hahaha

[noble grove]

MMM tin pudding!

[turbid hill]

so that is how they pack it

did the solder just climb up the post

[digital crescent]

looks like it

[turbid hill]

now that is a part I would buy if I could get the whole sheet

[waxen thistle]

something something when science is indistinguishable from magic...

[noble grove]

That's Life

[nova totem]

an entire panel playing life... that's cool

[noble grove]

Many or several?

[waxen thistle]

"Why buy one when you can get two for twice the price?"

[noble grove]

Contact

[cinder wind]

Gotta keep that US Robotics 56k modem in the closet just in case real internet goes down. 🙂 🙂

[nova totem]

Redundancy worked great my last job until a main fiber cable in the city was cut leading to split brain (mostly our fault for that)

[ionic garnet]

Curious if people want to share how they are using Lora? I started thinking about it again after the blizzard thinking about coms that are not limited by power and cable lines. Never played with Lora before

[dim wigeon]

My grandfather’s rules for tool shopping: If you don’t have one, buy it. If it’s a better version of one you already have, buy it. If it’s on sale, buy it just in case. 😂

[upbeat coral]

It's time to clean up the shop when, it takes less time and effort to order a board from Adafruit than to find the one you know you have.🥴

[waxen thistle]

And if the price is excellent, buy several.

[turbid hill]

I have two lora esp32 boards and I have just run test code on them to make sure I could program them

[dim wigeon]

You never know when you might need it!

[turbid hill]

I always try to buy two just in case I let the magic smoke out

[ornate coyote]

wowza, that is awesome! great funky music and amazing project

[sinful meadow]

anyone got a link for that rpi pico button controller they were using with the VU meter?

[ionic garnet]

And only use cryptographic approriate random number generators

[cinder wind]

https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-pico-led-arcade-button-midi-controller-fighter

[waxen thistle]

Data backups -- primary + no less than three backups, with one of which is off-site in some capacity. Ideally all three on different types/forms of media...

....or at the very least, different makes/models of drives with different wear levels (preventing any coincidental failures from disks in the same manufacturing batch).

[sinful meadow]

thanks!

[nova totem]

Never changed it but for a weather station I made I looked at LoRa to send the data to a receiver inside. Takes less power then WiFi. I know Kattni was recently looking at it for a detector when mail was in the mailbox (for a rural type location not by the house)

[ionic garnet]

I invented the security protocols used by the Jibo Robot, But I've been doing encryption and security for 3 decades

[somber pollen]

Hi 🙂

[hasty frigate]

Im using them for a sensor network (including a mailbox notifier).

[ionic garnet]

Thanks all. These are similar to my use cases. Also basic security state info

power monitoring around th eneighborhood (listen for generators...)

[dim wigeon]

@ionic garnet Security and encryption is a tough gig - kudos. If I ever feel like I don’t have enough paranoia in my life, all I need to do is have a 10 minute conversation with the ITSEC people at work. 🤣

[nova totem]

I looked at it for a remote robot control right before quite so many microcontrollers have BLE/Wifi built in

[willow pollen]

youtube comments are toxic this week...

[waxen thistle]

It's not paranoia if they actually are out to get you.

[dim wigeon]

It’s true. Paranoid people have enemies too.

[ionic garnet]

When I worked at Symantec in the 1990s I consulted with the top cryptography experts. I've also given presentations in Washington DC to members of government, military, academia and instustry.

[dim wigeon]

Nice!

[rapid hornet]

@willow pollen must be featured more this week

[willow pollen]

yup. more trolls than normal

[ionic garnet]

also did some consulting with modern smart vehicles to assure integrity throughout the data signal chains and also the onboard hardware. Jibo was the biggest set of challenges for me. Really interesting stuff.

These days I don't do that so much, but I'm CTO of a company that provides engineering services to many companies and they often ask for my advice. I tell them "you couldn't affort my advice!" (half jokingly)

[ebon stratus]

@willow pollen trolls in this chat tonight? what did I miss?

[hasty frigate]

Another good thing about the LoRa transmitters: you do not have to leave your wifi password on them in secrets.py just to send your temperature to IO.

[willow pollen]

@ebon stratus no, over on yt

[ionic garnet]

I love working in technology. Never a dull moment or lack of challenges!!!

[cinder wind]

psh, this is the real FIDO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet

[dim wigeon]

Yup! I’ve been IT/software professionally for a long time. Currently a data engineer for a healthcare company.

[ionic garnet]

40 year professional for me. 45 years programming (started as a teen on PDPs and programmable calcs)

[ebon stratus]

@hasty frigate have you watched Andreas Spiess's vids about LoRa?

[ionic garnet]

I have watch Andreas' videos. Loved them

[hasty frigate]

Yes. He’s doing some cool stuff.

[ionic garnet]

he's a really great explainer

[slow spire]

I love the guy with the Swiss accent!

[ionic garnet]

sing it

[dim wigeon]

Closer to 30 years than I care to admit for me. 🙂 My hardware hacking has all been for fun, though - my dad talked me out of pursuing EE in college because math. 😦 (And I was also discouraged becausse gendered nonsense.)

[dim knot]

5V 10W Solar Panel - ETFE - Voltaic P110 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5369

5V 1.2W Solar Panel - ETFE - Voltaic P124 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5368

5V 5W Solar Panel - ETFE - Voltaic P105 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5367

6V 2W Solar Panel - ETFE - Voltaic P126 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5366

[viral sail]

My astronomy projects need to work in the dark so I'm going to need some lunar panels. 🌜

[ebon stratus]

Andreas also worked for DEC. Yea!

[nova totem]

I love solar. Less so in the winter when the sun doesn't get above 30 degrees in the sky for a few hours

[ionic garnet]

Similar for me on hardware. Jibo was first project where I got involved. I was one of three original engineers so we all did things outside our core expertise. Best part was automating the factory in China. I build the network, comms to home office in Boston, and wrote about 50% of manufacturing test code in Python.

As a teen I hacked some hardware. Had a truck show up after building a certain type of amp and attaching it to a CB radio. I was only 14 I think

[shell mason]

just as need reflection so it power it too

[dim wigeon]

I’ll bet that was exciting and not necessarily in a good way. 🙂

[dim knot]

USB micro B JIG Dummy Plug https://www.adafruit.com/product/5356

[ionic garnet]

the thing I love most about my career is every project is different and requires new skills and presents new learning

They were nice to me. And impressed. Until I made it mobilr. then they got madder

[dim wigeon]

Yeah, same. Always more to learn. And I’m trying to mirror that vibe in my personal projects.

[slow spire]

I love that, too, working across industries and knowledge domains.

[dim knot]

Pimoroni Interstate 75 - RP2040 LED Matrix Driver - PIM584 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5342

[hasty frigate]

• [ ]
  All the kids want to know: will the Interstate 75 ever run Circuit Python?

I love using the matrix Featherwing with the Feather RP2040. I wish it had wifi.

[ionic garnet]

I worked in business development as an exec at Symantec which was totally new. My home projects are a way for me to do more embedded work and merge my art and scientific interests

[slow spire]

Interstate 75 needs OOTB messages like "Click it or Ticket"

[ebon stratus]

@ionic garnet Oops!

[ionic garnet]

My career is a roller coaster. It's hard to imagine how I managed to get all the opportunities. I chalk it up to having an exceptionally high risk tolerance and quest for knowledge

[digital crescent]

it's more fun when it's online though

[ionic garnet]

it's more hackable when it's online

[dim wigeon]

I’ve been lucky too. I credit a lot of my success to the fact that, as a trans woman in a male dominated field, I’ve always depended on one-on-one relationship building. Those connections have enabled some amazing opportunities.

[ionic garnet]

Nice Tammy

[balmy steppe]

Question: Hi, I understand the current flaws with NFTs, but I’m curious what your opinion is about the future of blockchain technology is, like in the case if hypothetically the current environmental and ethical concerns were resolved. Do you see a need for it for the underlying technology in the future? Would it be better if it was a shifted more so as a global web host than a ledger for jpegs. I know this can be a very touchy subject, but I’m curious in the possibilities for where this technology could lead to.

[slow spire]

Me, too! Love risky stuff, but it comes with risk! 🙂

[echo canopy]

Question @open girder

Any update on the release date of the QTPY ESP32 and with component shortages is it a challenge deciding how many to launch when you also plan on launching the Itsybitsy esp32 as well?

[upper sandal]

is the T-shirt open source ?

[open surge]

Take my money!

[plucky glen]

Is that little reflow heater still available? What is it called?

[dull fox]

​can adafruit design a raspberry pi4 min ips2 kit or like a retropie DS(using 2 screens like the original)

[midnight plinth]

So mad

[slow spire]

A global web ledger, like a database that links to URLs of JPEGS?

[open girder]

@plucky glen https://www.adafruit.com/minihotplate

[ionic garnet]

One of my earliest mentors, a top producer of rock music videos in Los Angeles, told me "if you aren't getting fired at least half the time, you aren't taking enough risk." I lived by thi advice

[dim wigeon]

That’s good advice.

[ionic garnet]

My guitar amps are screaming: hey, save the tubes for me!!!

[dull fox]

​can adafruit design a raspberry pi4 min ips2 kit or like a retropie DS(using 2 screens like the original)

[ebon stratus]

@balmy steppe I predict the US Dollar will be converted to blockchain by 2030.

[ionic garnet]

Boy do I have stories. I've recently worked with two startups founded by female MIT professors. They loved my college dropout, fail your way to the top story

[slow spire]

Or tiny grilled cheeses

[balmy steppe]

Like if content like web pages were hosted directly on a blockchain, so you don't need to worry if something like AWS goes down for example.

[desert orbit]

question: I love the STEMMA-QT 7-segment display stuff! Question about 7-segment LCDs..

Awhile back I restored an old Keithley bench multimeter with a fresh TN LCD display... I really love the look and low power consumption of alphanumeric LCD displays! Digikey usually has some in stock but I don't see a lot of projects with them. Have you guys tried building stuff around LCDs?

[wary halo]

I like the threaded standoffs used in the I-75 RP2040 board and your Macropad. Where can I find these?

[desert orbit]

link to github with KiCad files and long readme about my journey with this neat ICL7136-based multimeter in case anyone's curious

https://github.com/fivesixzero/keithley-169-display-replacement

[ionic garnet]

blockchain's relevance is way beyond cryptocurrency

[dim wigeon]

Nice! I’m a college dropout too (after I was the victim of what we now call a hate crime), and I’ve been very lucky that that’s never been a barrier for me.

[dull fox]

​can adafruit design a raspberry pi4 min ips2 kit or like a retropie DS(using 2 screens like the original)

[willow pollen]

what's an ips2 kit?

[slow spire]

@open girder question about a PS2 emu kit for pi

[dull fox]

ps2

[strange mantle]

@wary halo a couple of sizes in shop:
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4206
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4207

[ionic garnet]

Yes. Check out Rana el Kaliouby's work on Ethical AI. She was once my boss. Amazing MIT researcher and entrepreneur

[ebon stratus]

@balmy steppe if AWS goes down or censors you.

[dim knot]

​Mini Hot Plate Preheater with USB C Power Supply https://www.adafruit.com/product/4948

[desert orbit]

thank you! 😄

:takemymoney.jpg:

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4206

[ebon stratus]

@ionic garnet blockchain relevance and crypto. No argument there.

[desert orbit]

Those standoffs are awesome and fit the mag feet really well 😄

[wary halo]

Thank you

[willow pollen]

i always like to ask my radioshack question...

[desert orbit]

mag feet: https://www.adafruit.com/product/4631

[slow spire]

Ask now if possible. Not much time left. Oh wait I misread. 🙂

[waxen thistle]

I can sympathize -- midnight to 5am is my golden time for getting things done. Sadly, that's incompatible with the rest of the world.

[tulip canyon]

The first two months of January seemed exceptionally long

[willow pollen]

🙂

[nova totem]

If I have any sorta extended time off my schedule always creeps later and later unless I'm trying really hard not to

[plucky glen]

I'd love to have a jig into which I can plug a Feather Mx and have source-level debugging available

[desert orbit]

"I measure time in who owns Radio Shack now." 😂 That made my day pt

[cinder wind]

I mean, adafruit owns radio shack, in that it's much better than the org currently calling itself radio shack 🙂

[rapid hornet]

in C or circuitpython?

[ionic garnet]

Respectful disagreement is a sign of a mature, safe place.

[plucky glen]

Using Visual Studio Code, Atmel IDE, Arduino 2.0, and other interfaces. I have the Segger devices

[upbeat coral]

Thank you for taking time for us.

[echo canopy]

Question…. Speaking of Radio Shack… they had “ stores within a store” any plans to have a small space under your complete control at a retail like Microcenter? Actual Adafruit employees.. stock you want to sell.. etc

Could it be a cost benefit?

[viral sail]

Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌒

[tulip canyon]

Tabs or Spaces?

[willow pollen]

tabs

[ionic garnet]

thanks all. Love you all

[waxen thistle]

Thanks @open girder for another excellent evening of shows! Thanks @hard hollow and @rocky reef for hosting Show & Tell!

[balmy steppe]

Thank you! Have a good night!

[slow spire]

Spabs.

[dim wigeon]

Thanks, everyone!

[split gazelle]

Thanks for a great evening of shows!

[ionic garnet]

3rd order of the day!!!!

[nova totem]

Have a great evening everyone

[ebon stratus]

Good day/night everybody. Thanks Limor & Phil

[tulip canyon]

Thank you Adafruit, thank you all. Great community here

[urban gale]

great show! Night, all!

[slow spire]

Thanks, LA & MrLA!

[dim knot]

See ya all next week!

[ionic garnet]

bye bye. I really enjoy chatting with you all. We all share a hobby here.

[cinder wind]

Night all!

[ionic garnet]

Speaking of which, anyone know what happened to a user named Doctor? I liked chatting with him but haven't seen hin in forever

[willow pollen]

probably left in his tardis

[rapid hornet]

night all!

[ionic garnet]

by Scott

bye that i

s

[midnight plinth]

And I got through without buying anything (my wife was looking over my shoulder though)

[ionic garnet]

type much Sadowsky?

And you are proud of this Franklin? 😉

[slow spire]

I think I need this on a t-shirt.

[midnight plinth]

Not especially, but then I just bought a lots today and just sayin'

[sudden slate]

[sudden slate]

I liked chatting with him too. He did a few show and tells as well. I know he was here about 4 months ago, but he got a new job

IDK

I hope he's all right though

[midnight plinth]

Doctor who?

[ebon stratus]

Can I assume someone has sent him a message?

[lavish patrol]

Greetings, all. 🍵 🥮

[haughty quiver]

hey hi!

[open surge]

hiya

[viral sail]

Good afternoon.

[lavish patrol]

How's this camerawork:

[haughty quiver]

by sensing light

[inner spade]

👋

[drowsy inlet]

hello all 👋

Happy belated birthday to anyone that may have recently had a birthday! 🎂

[lavish patrol]

No Bleeps and Bloops?

[drowsy inlet]

Seemed to have just jumped right in today

[lavish patrol]

John's keen. 😄

Better late than never. 👍

[drowsy inlet]

🌨️

[lavish patrol]

Belated Happy Birthday @haughty quiver 🎂

[cinder wind]

he just wants free cake 🍰 🎂 🧁

[drowsy inlet]

Dictionaries are cool to use as function maps, too

[lavish patrol]

Mmmm. Cake.

[drowsy inlet]

Basically just have the value be the name of a function to call

[lavish patrol]

That's the start of making an interpreter, yes?

[drowsy inlet]

Kind of along those lines

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/phone-ringing-gif-10314962

Lars dialing

https://tenor.com/view/call-me-ring-me-gimme-a-call-give-me-a-call-will-you-call-me-gif-22885692

[lavish patrol]

"Is there anyone on the line?"

"Anyone?"

[fossil musk]

Bueler?

[shell mason]

and "lars is here"

[drowsy inlet]

The switch hook dialing, was that original functionality, or added for this project? I think it was demo'd last night, but didn't hear if rotaries did that originally and was curious.

[shell mason]

some of light when dialing

[fossil musk]

Switch hook dialing worked as soon as the dial was added to the phone.

[drowsy wolf]

instead of ratteling the operator out of her nap

[lavish patrol]

Lol

[smoky island]

I ❤️ Dictionaries

[cinder wind]

fill inside of phone with hot glue, problem solved! 🧐

[fossil musk]

ringer is 90-120v, nominally 96v

[drowsy inlet]

There was that much voltage in phone wires?

[inner spade]

All of the phone's functions were implemented to work over just two wires. Amazing given the level of audio voltages versus ringer voltages.

[fossil musk]

regular non-ringing voltage was 48v

[inner spade]

ringing spikes could easily light a small neon indicator bulb.

[smoky island]

def my_function():
    print("called my_function()")
    

dictionary = {
    "something": my_function
}

dictionary["something"]()

[drowsy inlet]

I was too lazy, sorry. 🙂

[smoky island]

No worries. I was in the process of typing it out as an extra tip when I heard JP mention it from your comment 😄

[cinder wind]

yess! you can do anything with dicts

[shell mason]

shoutout for foamguy from park JohnPark

[drowsy inlet]

Probably most helpful tip I learned when I first came to Python (from C/C++) - everything in Python is an object

[inner spade]

The only song that dial-a-song can play has something to do with Jenny.

[drowsy inlet]

So you could also use dicts with, eg, classes

[inner spade]

Some of the "bonus" touch-tone signals were used by the phone companies to control long-distance dialing. The 4x4 keypads were very popular with counter-culture phreaks back in the day.

[upper sandal]

and you can add properties to objects willy-nilly, including instance methods (taking self as first argument)

[smoky island]

I think you could use the Class as the value in the dictionary and then instantiate an instance of it with a dictionary accessory. But I don't think I've ever actually done it, so not certain.

[drowsy inlet]

Correct, that's what I meant. Not something that needs to be done all the time, but it's come in handy in the past.

[ebon stratus]

Great day everybody. I’m late to the party as usual 😂

[drowsy inlet]

"We're ready to believe you!"

[inner spade]

@haughty quiver Amuzed to see Jenny at the top of the list 🤣

[cinder wind]

The keypad library makes this stuff so much easier. thanks @paper peak!

[inner spade]

The dual-key detect was a "feature" of some of the earlier touch-tone phones. Pressing two keys in a row or column would turn on just one of the 7 tone oscillators rather than the two row + column tone oscillators. Easy to play "Mary had a Little Lamb."

[cinder wind]

"Press * to list all songs"

[drowsy wolf]

This is a collect call for Mrs. Floyd from Mister Floyd Will you accept the charges?

[lavish patrol]

He keeps hanging up...

[inner spade]

With the right selection of music, JP's song dialer could be a Party Line.

[lavish patrol]

"Hello. You have reached Lars, in John Park's Workshop. John can't come to the phone right now..."

[drowsy inlet]

"Hello, and welcome to Moviefone" - Kramer

[cinder wind]

"but I don't have an ANY key on my keyboard to press!"

[inner spade]

"... then press Ctrl-Alt-any"

@haughty quiver Add touch-tone .wav files for key presses?

[cinder wind]

yesss

maybe a dialtone.wav to play when you first pick up then too

[glass stag]

It is culturally required to say the 9 like that (8675309ieine).

[shell mason]

tuut tuut tuut tuut

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-beep-phone-call-dial-gif-17128642

[cinder wind]

yeah boring phone, that one

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-phone-phone-call-ringtone-ring-ring-gif-15761251

[inner spade]

Phone rentals. Reminds me of some library books I need to return.

[glass stag]

Ooo, office beige. That's nice.

[drowsy wolf]

contrasting brown face plate

[inner spade]

A older vintage 2500 will have a carbon granule mic and a high-impedance inductive ear module.

[glass stag]

Maybe custom phone numbers for offices.

[inner spade]

It's a mechanical dampener, usually.

[drowsy wolf]

shoves felt against the bell

[ebon stratus]

London calling 🎼

[lavish patrol]

Lol

[cinder wind]

wait, make sure the bells have been properly discharged through a turbo encabulator

[inner spade]

These old phones are a great example of rugged consumer design. Built to be abused.

Also used as a weapon in a few episodes of Perry Mason.

A two-tone imductor-coupled oscillator with switched tone inductors.

[ebon stratus]

Tube encabulator? Anything like a Grtman Gonkulator?

[drowsy wolf]

nice peek inside ... good times

[lavish patrol]

Great workshop, @haughty quiver 👍

[ebon stratus]

Thanks JP

[haughty quiver]

thanks much all!

[inner spade]

Thanks @haughty quiver! Phreaking fun!

[glass stag]

Cheers all

[ionic garnet]

Hi @haughty quiver

Ahh now it's all good

also known as JP's pick your pocket!!!! 😉

[haughty quiver]

😄

[ionic garnet]

but I luvs me some black feather rp2040s

Do Feather M4 Express next please!!!

RP2040 projects: Mostly doing blinkie in art/science. Mixing with some interdevice comms over assorted mechanisms. REal-time clock neopixel art, matrix displays, sendor display on 4xLEDs... motion detection, status detection... Vue meters. Use M4 chips for audio spectrograms and other audio analysis. Starting to fool with lightweight ML models

I'm working on a Beatles thingy. Don't want to say more but imagine a discombobulated guitar with figures and movement, light and sound. Currently using one RP2040 and one QT Py ESP32-S2. Inspired by the book/movie

[haughty quiver]

very cool!

[ionic garnet]

always wanna know the cool beans

I missed that show. Sorry

Seems quiet here today. A voice says "no Sadowsky, you're just loud as usual."

I guess you would do this solely for novelty factor, right?

To answer your question about PIO: I am interested in diving in to this. Hadn't had a use case requiring yet but now I want deeper understanding and highest performance code. It you or others at Adafruit have use cases you'd like to see covered let me know. It would be fun to do that. I like exploiting the hardware directly when it pays big.

primarily I am interested in how to optimize high performance animation of up to 2000 neopixels. I want to raise the attainable frame rate and also free the mcu to do other productive tasks while the state machines run.

I know some existing work has been done on improving pixel frame buffers output performance. I want to understand how and why it works so I can contemplate how else to use PIO to overcome some of CircuitPython's few liminitations. I love systems level programming.

Listened 60 nins late and commenting on the early question about Feather RP2040 question about use cases. Then you asked about PIO. I was about to dive into that very thing.

ttyl

[ivory kiln]

@hard hollow Can you make the Neo-pixel mini VU meter work with an audio input (Ie, when your live streaming, have the meter display your audio. Like when u guys or John Park r doing ur shows, & ur audio cuts out but you don't know it till someone in Discord tells you. Mind you, u guys have an audience to tell you. Those of us with REALLY small channels that don't have a Discord or much of an audience yet may not have someone to tell us) instead of only sound using the PDM Mic?

[rapid hornet]

notes doc for today: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16YIHHJg7AXzrd0xEbRfLsbAm-KF8bQoJKvm3UeA_BFc/edit?usp=sharing

[eager matrix]

The deep dive isn't showing up on Twitch/

[rapid hornet]

it's not going yet

[eager matrix]

Aaah, I wan't sure if there was am "about to start" thing there.

Hi Scott. Looking forward to things today.

[dim wigeon]

Hi, everyone!

[smoky island]

😺

[strong acorn]

YT live

[modern night]

o/ hi all, hope everyone's having a good friday!

[timid plover]

hello

[left pier]

Happy Deep Dive Day !

[odd zodiac]

Hello all from Cornwall.

[open surge]

Hi y'all

[glass stag]

Howdy all

[sinful meadow]

good morning!

[nova totem]

Hi all!

[dim wigeon]

Do the cats know any Python? 😉

[proven crow]

Circutpython = ❤️

[eager matrix]

I signed an NDA yesterday and I start the new job next week. Now that I have some breathing room, i did Pateon for @ornate coyote and Atomic14 and a few other.s I need to wait for my first check before I can place a giant Adafruit order.

[ornate coyote]

Congrats on the new job mate!

[left pier]

https://github.com/adafruit/deep-dive-notes

[ornate coyote]

Moo everyone!!!!

[left pier]

I fix issues with the GH Action to make that work as a hobby 😉

[upper sandal]

👋

[eager matrix]

Thanks. It's going to be fun. It's right on the edge between HW and SW dev.

[nova totem]

Early question did you ever cover how the compiler works in CP on one of these deep dives?

[glass stag]

Thanks to @haughty quiver I will have some Feather RP2040 to try CircuitPython on next week.

[digital crescent]

@ornate coyote when will your s3 boards be released?

[proven crow]

What do the cats think of that paper wrapper that comes in Digi-Key boxes? (yes, 2231puppy on yt is me)

[eager matrix]

If you're a patron it happen earlier.

[ornate coyote]

Later today! I released them to Patrons (my) yesterday... and giving them some time to purchase first 🙂

[nova totem]

Looking from both points of view. Linker was for the actual linking of the CP core (and just general knowledge). The compiler for more how the internal Python compiler works (to save maybe some time going through the 3k lines of compiler.c code)

[ornate coyote]

Unfortunately, limited supply for now due to both silicon and CNY holdups.

[nova totem]

I actually looked at your S3 yesterday actually! but a bit afraid shipping costs to Canada

[ornate coyote]

Thanks @rapid hornet - it's the least I could do for them after they put up with the dramas of me getting them to this point!

[eager matrix]

Scott, I'm curious about your shirt. It looks cool but I can't figure out what it is.

[simple fractal]

https://docs.micropython.org/en/latest/develop/compiler.html

[ornate coyote]

Yeah, I can't do anything about that unfortunately, but once I can ramp production, I'm sure I can get Elmwood to stock them... and maybe one day Adafruit as well 😉

[sinful meadow]

this is how us australians feel about getting stuff shipped usually

[nova totem]

Poking at the native mpy code functionality so getting a general overview of all of it

[timid plover]

https://www.smokeybrights.com/

[glass stag]

I know the feeling. Even shipping from Adafruit to Canada is almost $20, I can't imagine what it is from the other side of the world.

[nova totem]

Thanks hadn't came across that yet!

[upper sandal]

I'll have to wait until they show up at pimoroni, if ever

[proven crow]

I always think that deep diving w/ Scott is the perfect Monday activity to make us all happy

[nova totem]

I order a lot from digikey as the shipping is less (though the prices tend to be a bit more) and a couple times a year just bite the bullet and pay for Adafruit shipping

[left pier]

@ornate coyote S3 boards ordered !

[ornate coyote]

Oooer, you got my last ProS3 boards! Congrats

[nova totem]

Actually shipping to Canada from UM isn't bad. $20 (3-5 weeks though ha)

[proven crow]

@ornate coyote Could you shoot me a link for those S3 boards? I'm curious 🙂

Also I meant friday 🤦 🙃

[simple fractal]

i just got some dc barrel connectors yesterday to fix my heated gloves.

[left pier]

https://unexpectedmaker.com/shop

[digital crescent]

just ordered

[ornate coyote]

folks, let's not spam this channel with my S3 boards stuff please...

[digital crescent]

sorry, we are excited

[ornate coyote]

I am too 🙂 but this is Scott's show, not mine 🙂

[digital crescent]

does Adafruit have any plans to support a 5 GHz wifi chip?

[upper sandal]

it's not like it's the first time people buy stuff that come out during this show 😉

[ornate coyote]

That's very true.., but its usually Adafruit stuff 🙂

BTW everyone, Scott has his own set of my S3 boards on the way to him, as well as a set for Limor. They got the very first production boards off my PnP.

[simple fractal]

Espressif have an ADK for Homekit, available to anyone. for maker stuff. commercial use requires a MFI license https://github.com/espressif/esp-homekit-sdk

[ornate coyote]

There's only a few obscure Chinese 5Ghz wifi MCUs on the market right now.

[proven crow]

You have a PnP? 😮

[eager matrix]

@clear matrix is awsome!

[left pier]

When you listen to the Monday CP meeting... you quickly realize, Kattni gets more done in a week than most people get done in a month....

[simple fractal]

UM hand solders hundreds of boards.

[ornate coyote]

I design and manufacture all of my own products.

[clear matrix]

What'd I miss? 🙂

[ornate coyote]

Thankfully not!!!

[ornate coyote]

You missed that you are a LEGEND!

[warm pulsar]

Wow! Am I glad I am watching Scott's show. This time, it's not a Digikey spend but one from UM!

[simple fractal]

some praise @clear matrix

[clear matrix]

Every time!

[random lodge]

With the good tutorials is great nail polish

[rapid hornet]

https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/02/01/the-circuitpython-community-a-round-up-and-a-look-forward-to-2022/

[clear matrix]

Aww, thanks all! 😊

[dim wigeon]

I doubt I’d have been able to silence my brain weasels long enough to get involved with the community without @clear matrix ‘s encouragement.

[clear matrix]

I'm adding "Brain weasel silencer" to my resume.

[dim wigeon]

Do eeeeeeet!

[eager matrix]

I'm starting an EFF group here in Buffalo and used that CoC.

[simple fractal]

i think Brain Weasel was in a Star Trek movie 🙂

[dim wigeon]

@simple fractal LOL

[proven crow]

I just ❤️ everyone in the Adafruit community!

[warm pulsar]

@clear matrix probably has the most post of all CP2022 posts!

[rotund marsh]

Hello everyone! Cheers for the CircuitPython internals streams.

[weak whale]

So compliments and complements

[warm pulsar]

I was reminded recently about the proverb "It takes a village...". CP is no different!

[rotund marsh]

Anyone successfully using PlatformIO / VSCode / Wintel to build and upload (Arduino or IDF) to Adafruit QT Py ESP32-S2? Tips/guidance appreciated.

Am able to build and upload using PlatformIO, but QT Py COM port doesn't appear after post upload reset.

Thanks to https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-qt-py-esp32-s2, I got python code deployed onto Circuit Python. And got Arduino IDE 2.0.0 rc-3 working. Unfortunately am unable to figure out the correct magic set of PlatformIO.ini settings needed to have uploaded builds execute.

Currently troubleshooting by diffing output from Aduino IDE and PlatformIO. I figure this is a common problem folks figured out already?

Have 6 Adafruit QT PY ESP32-S2 sitting on my desk taunting me. Feeling ehackerulated about not getting PlatformIO Arduino or IDF uploading. Working towards trying to use IDF Mesh APIs.

[weak whale]

How does the CP2022 resolve? Are you going to publish a manifesto or something?

[ornate coyote]

PlatformIO still doesn't officially support the new ESP32 Arduino Core 😦 No no S2 support.

[open surge]

Katni will be my first guest on my podcast, too, which will give a chance for people to hear her

[dim wigeon]

The principles and values of the community, and of Adafruit’s culture, are (I think) the “secret sauce” of the Community piece of CP.

[warm pulsar]

@open surge When is the first CP Podcast scheduled to be out?

[open surge]

March 1st!

[ornate coyote]

bummer, my flux pen just ran out! Gotta run out and buy another one!!! BAD TIMING!
I hope I'm back before the stream ends!

Ok, wait for me... hahhaha

[timid plover]

where you were last week: https://github.com/adafruit/deep-dive-notes/blob/main/2022/2022-01-21.md

[left pier]

lol... real time use of the repo 😉

I wonder if we can get the transcripts from the YT api ...

[warm pulsar]

Let's add a timestamp for this...

Is there a Battery service available too?

In Cp library?

Battery Service is a good and simple example of service use... Updating the value is simple too (0-100) depending on what you calculate from your ADC read for the battery level

@rapid hornet Thanks Scott - got to go - I'll catch up on the stream later. Have a good weekend!

[left pier]

Missing show notes are live in the repo and maybe I fixed the bug with adding the thumbnails that was breaking the action.

[ornate coyote]

I'm back! What did I miss?

[modern night]

Lots of weeds in BLE Land 😄

[simple fractal]

i was also absent doing some heat shrinking. but was listening

[modern night]

🤣 "Not to complicated"... Though I'm sure it's just overwhelming now since it's a lot at once. This is a deep dive true deep dive

[simple fractal]

i was up at 5am to go skiing, so its way past my late nap time now 🛌🏻

[left pier]

Going tomorrow... new skis coming today... hopefully will mount bindings tonight

Bluetooth is tedious ...

HA... who implements the security stuff

[dim wigeon]

BLE has a LOT of moving parts.

[modern night]

Security: Past the weeds and right into the dirt

[simple fractal]

Dan will have so much fun, lol

[modern night]

So I'm not familiar with TinyUSB--is the BLE workflow moving to be "TinyUSB but over bluetooth not USB"?

[eager matrix]

I'm going to set up building CP really soon. I let a friend borrow my Linux system while I fixed theirs and for some reason things weren't good so I just reinstalled linux (since this deep dive started).

[simple fractal]

thats my standard software fix, reinstall

[modern night]

Huh. Goodness that's a lot. Thank you for the explanation

[eager matrix]

Ha, I'm careful to put things in known places so I just had to backup my home dir and copy a couple of config files. So it went super smooth including the extra SSD and the nfs mounts.

[dim wigeon]

A former coworker used to like to say “there’s no software engineering problem that can’t be solved with another layer of abstraction.” I feel like he’d like working on BLE. 😄

[ornate coyote]

@rapid hornet Just for clarification, this is all BLE workflow stuff you're working on now right, not just "standard BLE" support for S3? I missed you starting work on this today.

Oh right, ok, cool. I know we have scanning working in main now, so good to know this is continued support.

[dim wigeon]

(A little Googling suggests HVX is short for “Handle Value Notification or Indication” 🤷‍♀️)

[left pier]

The sort of the linked list was very important in all interviews in the 90's ...

[eager matrix]

Oh man, make fetch-submodules is taking a long time.

[left pier]

Has there been any discussion of doing BLE Mesh support ... I'm not sure why I'd want that yet.. but I'm curious is much discussion has gone on about it

[eager matrix]

It's doing a boat ton of clones

[left pier]

Good community project 😉

https://mynewt.apache.org/latest/network/index.html#

"Apache Mynewt offers the world’s first fully open-source Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) or Bluetooth Smart stack fully compliant with Bluetooth 5 specifications with support for Bluetooth Mesh. It is called NimBLE."

For the show notes 😉

Thanks Scott !

[modern night]

Thanks for the great deep dive! This was really in the weeds. Thanks for taking the time to explain everything!

[eager matrix]

Thanks much Scott.

[nova totem]

Thanks! I should have listened but instead dove into the compiler/parser and melted my brain 🙂

[shell mason]

it was great deepdive

[ornate coyote]

Thanks @rapid hornet !!! Have a great weekend 🙂

[eager matrix]

@ornate coyote When is your next stream?

[dim wigeon]

Thanks, @rapid hornet ! Have a great weekend, everyone.

[ornate coyote]

Every week. Wed morning (my time).

[shell mason]

it is over 2hours so yeah

[eager matrix]

👍

[rotund marsh]

Thanks for the info and stream everyone!

[ornate coyote]

Thanks to everyone that grabbed one (or more) of my new boards! I really appreciate the support!

[upper sandal]

👋

[timid plover]

when will the UM boards get to adafruit store?

[rapid hornet]

thanks all!

[upper sandal]

when the silicon shortage have wings

or something

[odd zodiac]

cheers all

[ornate coyote]

Not offering to resellers yet as I cant make enough stock atm. Hopefully before 2025 😉

[ornate coyote]

But they currently stock my other boards, so you can grab some of those from them! 😉

[timid plover]

that's why I asked, because other ones were there

[smoky island]

Starting up the stream in a moment. Working on a PR test and then back into Winamp project. you can follow along on twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch or YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16DEYLVUjIM

[inner spade]

@smoky island John Park has quite a bit of experience with streaming camera and lighting setups.

… that’s always evolving

Think there’s a touchscreen rotation helper in Adafruit_Touchscreen.examples

Also in https://github.com/CedarGroveStudios/Touchscreen_Calibrator/blob/main/touch_calibrator_built_in.py

No need to calibrate with buttons that large.

^ the calibrator has rotation examples.

[light stump]

Thanks for the help today on the cookiecutter for circuitpython_org. Works great.

[smoky island]

For sure! thanks for working on new widget libraries

[inner spade]

44.1kbps is a wave file sampling rate, not something that’s relevant to mp3 encoding.

[waxen thistle]

ffmpg?

[inner spade]

Does the touch wait until the touch is released?

Wait until current one is released (blocking)

Rather than use time

Appreciate seeing your class refactoring process.

Comma after skin image

Line 17

Since start time is when in real-time the track was started

To start time plus cur time relative to clock time

Incremental time sounds like a better solution

Prev next track should reset elapsed time

I prefer that the pause stays active when using next/prev

Useful when performing with prerecorded tracks

👍

Thanks for the stream. Will watch for the guide. Great project!

[midnight plinth]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/Scott - 5pm ET Fridays

[open girder]

WE ARE LIVE! The Desk of Ladyada - RETURN OF THE FLOPPY HACKING (time to write!) https://youtu.be/HX5IG4tqeHc

[nova totem]

Are you really working if you don't have 5-10 microcontrollers on your desk? or similar

[pearl shoal]

Hi folks!

I've been chatting w/Brent about WhipperSnapper and how we can leverage the sensor reading for a measurement kit we're working on - it will be a great jump-start!

[nova totem]

That's awesome it is dynamic now

[pearl shoal]

Question: are the I2C addresses standard enough to make guesses for the components? At least if you know they're Adafruit sensors?

Phil knows how to Muddle Through well 🙂

[dim wigeon]

Question: Is there a limit (other than the fact that addresses are 7 bit integers) on how many I2C devices can be on the bus at the same time?

[pearl shoal]

Question: For those complaining that you're making things too easy, is there any chance Adafruit will make a series showing how to use PIO? I noticed you're using it for the Floppy and I have just seen a very cool USB Host solution w/it...

I know I'd read/watch them.

[viral sail]

Thanks and good night. 🌒

[dim wigeon]

Thank you!

[pearl shoal]

Thanks for the answer! If anyone has a link to that video series I'd appreciate it (or I'll go hunting and post it)

I need to get back to Making Millions!

[sudden gate]

Thank You @proper trench ( and company)

[grand tusk]

Here, Bill: https://youtu.be/PrMQpv9iCFw

[nova totem]

The examples folder for PIO is pretty good. I made a basic logic analyzer based on their example and wrote it up on hackster

[ionic garnet]

Missed y'all. Up late hacking some boards. Wippersnapper may mae things easy, but the fun starts once you have your protocols and stuffs working, That's when the real work begins. Adafruit just takes away the dungerees rigormotis (or something like that).

[spiral vale]

almost time for the thing! with that guy!

[haughty quiver]

ZOMG!

[upbeat coral]

I take zomig for my migraines

[tacit garnet]

Happy Tuesday fruit fans

[spiral vale]

JP is Star Fruit

[viral sail]

Good afternoon.

[haughty quiver]

🥝

[viscid bolt]

Good afternoon to all

[inner spade]

👋

[haughty quiver]

hi hi hi!

[upbeat coral]

Hey Y'll

[drowsy inlet]

hello bloop

[open surge]

Hiya all

[haughty quiver]

hi there!

[spiral vale]

the extended remix of the PPotW tune is so 80s

[drowsy inlet]

Seems like this would be good for, say, a super cool arcade synth-like project 😉

[proven crow]

Hi all! I wish this had been around when I built my first Pico project - a MIDI control box. The wiring looks like a bird's nest

(I used the same buttons that Ladyada just showed)

Ooh la la! What pretty buttons!

[cinder wind]

what's the biggest button adafruit sells?

[sudden slate]

Yo yo yo

What's up chat

[drowsy inlet]

Is that the "Easy" button?

[proven crow]

what a chonker!

[midnight plinth]

Gotta learn Seesaw

[proven crow]

I have a button that's pretty small, but it reads "Fire missiles"

[shadow epoch]

Always wanted a Mission Control panel

[sudden slate]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-tony-stark-ironman-explosion-gif-18766512

[drowsy inlet]

Q: Is there example code for the button mask mentioned?

[proven crow]

hehe 🙂 it's similar to the rugged buttons that Adafruit sells, but it looks laser etched with the text. Found it on Amazon

[ionic garnet]

I boughtes me some

[sudden slate]

Nice

[ionic garnet]

not sure what I will do with them but probably an instrument of some sort

[upbeat coral]

2 boards, 8 buttons and a BUNCH of wiring connectors Orered and done.

[cinder wind]

yep! in CircuitPython here: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_seesaw/blob/main/examples/seesaw_joy_featherwing.py
and in Arduino here: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Seesaw/blob/master/examples/digital/multiread/multiread.ino

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver