live-broadcast-chat

[lilac tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/sigourney-weaver-aliens-gif-alien-alien-belly-alien-pregnant-barriga-alien-gif-16749984

[cinder wind]

oh no Blinka is spitting Scott back out

[nova totem]

Halloween costumes, always either so hot or so cold to wear

[teal river]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-supernatural-scream-gif-19957398

[eager matrix]

Here's the Thingiverse link - https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1725308

[teal river]

It's gonna be magical!

[tame dew]

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/disabling-cores-reduce-pi-zero-2-ws-power-consumption-half

[warm pulsar]

Zero 2 is the ultimate board for CP!!!

[tame dew]

Yes, the HDMI is awesome

[teal river]

Pi Zero W/Zero 2 W will be THE most powerful CP devices, right?

[mellow thunder]

Late to the stream, but I take it your putting CP on the new zero?

[upper sandal]

that will be the Pi 4

[teal river]

Yay scroll!

[teal river]

Well, when we get there, lol

[tame dew]

Cache FTW! Woot!

[teal river]

CP on Ryzen when?

[lilac tusk]

hehe

[warm pulsar]

With the big PI logo on top of the zero2 chip. it is still a broadcom cpu?

[lilac tusk]

CP will Ryzen above the rest!!

[tame dew]

Yaaaaaaassssss! Responsive scrolling goodness.

[upper sandal]

but that's what he's working on, a compute module 4

[cinder wind]

yeah I saw last week that CP's gc.mem_free() was in the MEGAbytes on RasPi. aahah

[balmy tinsel]

wow that is fast

[teal river]

Oh, Pi 4 is different, but I forgot he was on CM4

[mellow thunder]

I can't wait!!!! CP on my 3 new zeros coming will be the best Christmas ever!!!!!

[wind spoke]

You should really make it optional to have the blinka on screen... OLED screen owner will hate you.

[cinder wind]

well that's how you get HDMI faster: extend the memory into the GPU range and just write to it /s

[tame dew]

Don’t miss the marketing wave: M1Python

[teal river]

The Raspberry Pi Foundation licenses the ARM cores from Broadcom, who helps in the design of the Pi chips. So only the Pi Foundation can get those chips, but the license is held by Broadcom. That's why there are some closed source driver blobs

[tame dew]

GPU is frequently the last holdout for binary blobs.

[mellow thunder]

That's even better news got like 4 original zeros!

[clear matrix]

@teal river Sorry, the bot thought you were link spamming. Leave more time between link posts to avoid it 🙂

[teal river]

Oh, I thought it was the foundation, but whichever company actually does the design/production

[lilac tusk]

MacOS is wild. I need BlinkaOS

[teal river]

Yeah, silly bot XD I suppose I could have put both links on one message too

[last coral]

Hi everyone 🙂

[clear matrix]

Also valid.

[lilac tusk]

iCloud is attempting to upload 312k files or 19.98GB of data that it’s been failing to upload for the last 4 months lol

[teal river]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[lilac tusk]

99MB down

[upper sandal]

have we lost twitch ?

[teal river]

I have trouble with my iOS/iPadOS devices syncing to Google Photos

Oh shoot, I didn't realize how late it was!

YouTube o

[timid plover]

ok here - see REPL

[teal river]

ok

[balmy tinsel]

YT is still up

[tame dew]

Looking forward to receiving Piunora and trying out this bare metal CP on CM4. Thank you @glad mortar and @rapid hornet

[teal river]

I'm off for my walk already, it gets dark so early -- have fun!

[tame dew]

YouTube fine here

[modern night]

Huh I assumed it was my twitch that messed up

[timid plover]

there is some text displayed mid-boot - that's the boot loader?

[cinder wind]

skinny mode

[timid plover]

seems a bit blury here?

[tame dew]

I can live with that to have 1080p

Those capture cards are not perfect

Mu is definitely a good experience

[simple fractal]

Just back home after walking into the village to get my ski boots fitted. Nice day here. Listened to YouTube on the way home.

[upbeat galleon]

this vscode extension is also great https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=joedevivo.vscode-circuitpython

and has stubs for autocompletion, and commands for installing libs

[tame dew]

Python 3.10 has deprecated “distutils”. Spent my day on that for Yocto Project. It’s nice to not need to worry with CP.

[upbeat galleon]

i learnt python by writing circuitpython

[balmy tinsel]

Same

[upbeat galleon]

this is literally a photograph of me:

[tame dew]

One of the best things about CircuitPython is the code is “the same” (almost). Whereas MicroPython has different libraries (“u” prefix as a shorthand for “micro”).

[timid plover]

is that a smaller font than normal? 🙂

[glad mortar]

that is true, I'm currently building automation to setup a Pi image for use with Piunora, otherwise it would take quite a long time to get going from a bare image. Still not match to the quick setup of bare metal CircuitPython.

Also there is a lot of IO stuff that you couldn't do under a Linux kernel

like bitbanging is quite hard/limited in a non realtime OS

[grand tusk]

Hey everyone 👋

[glad mortar]

I wanna see Neopixel bitbanging 🙂

[digital crescent]

@glad mortar just got my email that Piunora is shipping soon. Very excited.

[upbeat galleon]

can't wait for the hopefully inevitable raspberry pi with pio coprocessor

[glad mortar]

under Linux thats not possible and you are limited to very few pins to drive NeoPixel, essentially only the PWM and PCM peripheral. Not sure why SPI can't be used.

[upbeat galleon]

drink some water, blinka

[upper sandal]

Rapberry Pi sells a hat with a RP2040 in it now

[tame dew]

I was playing with bitbanging GPIO for the ws2812 (“neopixel”) on the esp32c3-devkitc-02 with Zephyr Project. The RMT (remote control) peripheral makes it unnecessary. Sometimes the extra IP blocks on an MCU make or break you 😉

[grand tusk]

hv for High Voltage?

[lilac tusk]

Do they?

[upper sandal]

https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/build-hat/

[upbeat galleon]

this reminds me of the plan 9 source code

[timid plover]

if you can't read the code, can you really trust that it works?
question: are there many test cases?

[last coral]

This is exactly the reason why I use an IDE and reformat all source code before reading it.
Coding style preferences are weird!

[upbeat galleon]

https://github.com/wangeguo/plan9/blob/master/sys/src/games/catclock.c#L338-L372

[upper sandal]

oh yeah single letters oooooof

[balmy tinsel]

I'm curious couldn't a lot of these large if groups be switch statements?

[lilac tusk]

Ah okay that’s what I thought

Never actually read the rp2040 part but that makes sense

[upbeat galleon]

i like when a variable has a name

[sudden slate]

Hi everyone - I thought DD was at 5 - blasted time zones

I put it on my calendar now

[upper sandal]

I wonder how that hat works, does it have a flash with some type of seesaw-like thing or does it run code sent from the main pi on the fly or some wizardry like that ?

[sudden slate]

I will never forget again

[tame dew]

I deplore single character variable names, except may “i” from classic C code

[lilac tusk]

You don’t like when someone does
def a(self): return b + rand(b) + d(b)

Lol

[modern night]

Make sure you're able to account for the upcoming changing timezones depending on where you are

[upbeat galleon]

lol, love this. i love to read code and be less informed than before i read it

[upper sandal]

at least it can't do b = ++b - b++

[lilac tusk]

Hehe..

[tame dew]

In Yocto Project/OpenEmbedded we have a variable “d” which is the instance of “DataStore”, which is a global. Newcomers are always confused by that.

I missed the zero 2 w ordering frenzy. 🦈 🦈 🦈 But i can wait a bit.

[timid plover]

your code isn't displayed

time codes coming from youtube - so they will be in sync on replay 🙂

[cinder wind]

with this big chonky font, CP needs to implement CBM ASCII to get cool map-building "letters"

[nova totem]

I'm having a Friday like that too, my brain is just refusing to think about things now that I have time to work on my own projects

I want the C64 font for CP with all the colors and all it had

[tame dew]

Detour ahead !

[last coral]

Good call on using Nerd Fonts! I use them in my terms too 🙂

[grand tusk]

ohio scientific had fun glyphs

[cinder wind]

ooooo

[tame dew]

I learned BASIC when I was 6-8 years old on an IBM mainframe while my Dad taught statistics programming to Psychology and Education grad students. After I got bored with the tutorials, my brother and I became honorary TAs (teaching assistants) in the hands on lab.

[upbeat galleon]

Meta+. on plasma i think, scott

i mean, blinka

[balmy tinsel]

Know you're on linux but Windows has a shortcut win+; that pops up an emoji menu

Maybe linux has something similar?

[upbeat galleon]

yeah, kde plasma (which scott is using) also uses win+. for the emoji popup

[last coral]

Looks like you will soon need to update your OBS template to always show a small view of that glorious HDMI output. I for sure would love it!

[timid plover]

when do cats listen ?

[balmy tinsel]

when they feel like it

[tame dew]

Smiley face variable names have become a valid single character variable name in my lexicon. Thank you @rapid hornet

[grand tusk]

🦄 = sqrt(2)

[modern night]

Is the video feed blinking gray for anyone else? I've got it flickering on the twitch feed but am not sure if that's on my end

[glad mortar]

only on Twitch for me

but yea

reload seems to have fixed it

[timid plover]

video find on youtube

[modern night]

it seems stable again. Who knows

[cinder wind]

NICE yes all the character fonts. I'm looking forward to adafruit_pi_fonts being a 1GB download

[tame dew]

Open letter to any parents on the stream: it is NEVER to early to get your children using CircuitPython.

[nova totem]

My friend's kid was asking me if I can teach him to code and have an extra circuitplayground I'm going to give him for his birthday in a week

[tame dew]

I was 3 when I started learning ABCs and 123s typing punch cards for my Dad’s PhD dissertation.

[cinder wind]

ALL THE FONTS

[nova totem]

and then asked how much more I made then his dad 🙂

[cinder wind]

klingon, elvish, ...

[upper sandal]

unicode and emoji variable names was one of my favorite features of Swift when it came out

[grand tusk]

Next week on the deep dive: Scott makes a remote door opener.

[sudden slate]

Basic, Ewokese, Huttese

[tame dew]

Actually, I’d like to help start a foundation to give away boards to kids to learn CircuitPython.

[wind spoke]

On Twitch there are a lot of solution with Node-Red and a module that talk the Twitch API (and get access to the chat message) and you can trigger OBS change (with Node-Red module). Should be possible with Discord as a source of chat command...

[sudden slate]

Nice haircut

The Blinka costume was real funny

[timid plover]

that's when it is good to do a review of your 'own' code, when you've fogotten what it does 🙂

[sudden slate]

comments

[grand tusk]

docstrings

[tame dew]

I have almost no idea who committed code I wrote six months ago.

[sudden slate]

https://tenor.com/view/off-size-off-wacky-face-pouty-lips-gif-16675463

[grand tusk]

surely some rando

[sudden slate]

The desktop version of Discord seems really laggy compared to the web app

[grand tusk]

cat wrangling w/Scott

[sudden slate]

It's better than Mukbang w/Scott

XD

[tame dew]

Sometimes it’s brilliant, so I’m happy to re-read it. It’s usually the code from two years ago I want to “git reset —hard” or worse on).

[odd zodiac]

Spook's a cat!

[last coral]

The license wall of the SD simplified specifications makes me sad.

[tame dew]

I have absolutely nuked git history with a vengeance before open sourcing. You never existed.

[sudden slate]

Already in costume for Halloween

[sudden slate]

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-nuclear-explosion-gif-14867944

[last coral]

Fortunately we both have a cat and can pretend it was him. (Not anymore…)

[tame dew]

r = arrrgh!

Last week @rapid hornet did math on a Friday. This week deep dive on standards. No fear!

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/sneki-sneki-snek-razer-gif-22376941

[tame dew]

💯 any docs is better than none

[sudden slate]

All the docs

[last coral]

Except when it’s poorly written and completely out of sync with the real thing.

[sudden slate]

Bad docs are worse than no docs

Sometimes

[tame dew]

Or there’s a silicon Errata you didn’t know about. I have 🎃 👻 stories.

[last coral]

This is proper halloween story!

[tame dew]

Let me tell you a story about the Heisenbug. You could not count on the value of a bit in a particular register surviving for more than about 10 clock cycles on Rev A silicon. It was a nearly perfect RNG.

[sudden slate]

I have 🤡🤡 stories about ULN2003s and Octopart's datasheet

I tend towards the robotics side of electronics, but have been lately branching out

[timid plover]

I sort of like the magic encoding that bztsrc did - them maybe have some macros that extract the pieces of the command as needed
though I suspect you will come up with a cleaner solution !

[sudden slate]

Forget pseudorandom

[tame dew]

Yes, I like the command response shifting!

[modern night]

oh my goodness where's the time gone

[tame dew]

Meh. It’s Friday and my brain is mush. I like where you are headed!

[timid plover]

that the tradeoff - get work done or wear costume :=)

[grand tusk]

Nice.

[timid plover]

logic analyzer idea is great!

[last coral]

The sdcard.org Design Guide « Whitepaper » is a pretty cool resource.
https://www.sdcard.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SD_Express_Design_Guide.pdf

[last coral]

Well for an overview of the tech

[glad mortar]

what do you need the breakout for?

ooh

[last coral]

Oh a dummy card

[glad mortar]

for logic analyzer probing?

[tame dew]

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/SparkFun/TOL-09419?qs=WyAARYrbSnZj2Gc3mUSwiw%3D%3D&mgh=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwt-6LBhDlARIsAIPRQcIcMVF9Nwa4IT8VGODWmxDOYFdJLcb4C6ND7v8tbdyOoUv6pW7-zCUaAgfNEALw_wcB

Does Blinka eat mice?

[sudden gate]

@rapid hornet Thank for bringing in the weekend with another Deep Dive (and to the time keeper(s) ) ❤️

[tame dew]

Blinka is friends with mice and keys.

[glad mortar]

worst case the SDcard connector on Piunora is quite easy to solder to

[upper sandal]

I ordered my Zero 2 from Pimoroni, 5£ shipping to France (with a bunch of other stuff)

[glad mortar]

I mean def. not easier than a full on breakout 🙂

but it seems its not a full breakout? the missing DAT3 is weird

[last coral]

Yeah, hit the same wall with mouser on an Airlift feather.

[tame dew]

Export regulations can be a tricky dance

[wind spoke]

Recommended CM4 for the Piunora? They are hard to find...

[last coral]

The fun part is that they delivered a MatrixPortal M4 to me the previous week that uses the very same « restricted tech » chip.

[warm pulsar]

Trying to compile CP locally on windows/wsl. Compiles fine for QTPY RP2040 but have a weird error for my RP2040 board. Getting some odd error: 'MP_QSTR___del__' undeclared - any hints on where I should look? It's mostly a copy/paste from QTPY and it works fine in GHA

[last coral]

You just gotta love the inconsistencies of these policies…

[tame dew]

@wind spoke I ordered them from crowd supply (as part of my backing the project) and already received them.

[glad mortar]

you should be fine with 26AWG too, its a 1mm pitch. Not super wide but very solderable even without a microscope

and I made the pads wide and long

[cinder wind]

yep make clean always. it's the "power it off and on again` of development

[timid plover]

are you planning to deal with CM4 with and without onboard flash?

[warm pulsar]

Thanks! now compiling!

[glad mortar]

you are looking at SD Express though that is that newer standard that uses PCIe not SDIO?

[tame dew]

For your eyes maybe 😂

[last coral]

I hate when Linux is the only reference implementation.

[last coral]

I mean it’s better than nothing but…

[glad mortar]

@rapid hornet page 30

if you mean order options

the lite uses 4bit interface the eMMC uses 8bit afaik

same peripheral tho

the order code is only on the packaging unfortunately

[modern night]

Oh my compute module has eMMC. Huh.

[tame dew]

I should go for a walk as well!

[upper sandal]

[cinder wind]

thanks @rapid hornet have a good weekend!

[upbeat galleon]

alright everyone, time for our evening constitutional

[glad mortar]

thanks for the stream, have a nice weekend

[last coral]

Thanks for your work! Have a nice weekend.

[tame dew]

Hack the Piunora for fun and Profit

[balmy crane]

bye Scott

[modern night]

Thanks for the stream! Have a great weekend all!

[tame dew]

Thank you @rapid hornet

[rapid hornet]

thanks all!

looks like I have one cm4 with emmc

[sudden slate]

Thanks @rapid hornet

Where'd Scott get his Pi Zero 2 W from?

Adafruit

?

MicroCenter doesn't even have it yet

Neither does DigiKey

[teal river]

I know Adafruit did have some, although they sold out fast

Although he did say ordered, and I don't know if he has to actually order for Adafruit stuff or just email someone and they send stuff

[sudden slate]

Geez - I guess Scott's on the inside - so he'll get them before we do

[sudden slate]

Yess....

[teal river]

Lol, yeah. He said he had the RP2040 like a month ahead of launch to get CP ready

[sudden slate]

That ain't fair

XD

[teal river]

I mean, would you have wanted to not been able to use CP on it for over a month after launch?

[sudden slate]

Right

I agree

Did Adafruit get it a month before launch??

I guess obviously

[teal river]

Sounds like it

[sudden slate]

|| I just use C now||

But CP's coming soon for me

[green bison]

What does Scott mean when he calls it "bare metal" circuitpython

[teal river]

He means it isn't running on top of an operating system -- it runs directly like with an MCU

[lilac tusk]

Circuitpython: Full Metal Jacket

[teal river]

lol

[rapid hornet]

I got the 2w from adafruit just by subscribing via email. I only saw the internal ping after I made the order.

[teal river]

Ninja Scott

I didn't see until like 2 hours later DX

[green bison]

Ahh ok that makes sense I need to read more about how blinka worke

Works

[sudden slate]

OK, thanks

[sudden slate]

Right

XD

[smoky island]

Will be getting started with the stream in just a moment. Continuing on the pacman style game today on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch and youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9AWOZx1Esk

[grand tusk]

Hello, foamyguy. Today I'm driving Brickface on a Feather-M4. https://gist.github.com/rsbohn/1627e8fea461512364d59a2eb849a6e7

[lilac tusk]

Dead pixel

[lilac tusk]

Unless it’s intentional

[grand tusk]

Breakout for the LED glasses (which I haven't received yet).

So for now NeoPixel Featherwing.

[lilac tusk]

Oh gotcha

[grand tusk]

Yeah feather tripler.

😄

You're mapping tile coordinates to pixel coordinates.

I think you're moving a tile at a time rather than a pixel at a time.

Better now.

[clever summit]

Hey Foamy.

Had a busy day. My elderly aunt bought an apartment. That meant she needs internet, WiFi, a laptop, external screen, etc. So we went down to a local store to pick out everything. Took almost 2 hours just in the store... 😆

[clever summit]

Whooo! Don't talk into the microphone when you are so close!

[grand tusk]

pellets

I can never spell 'pallet' right. 😀

Naughty ghostie.

🎉 🎉

Looks good, nice job evading the ghost.

Like the ghost vacuum idea.

Maybe print each time the ghost changes direction.

close one

Are you running the CP 7.0 release?

There was an issue with the pico resetting twice when you save a file.

I think it is fixed in the 7.0 release.

It's a good name.

(Pie Chart Chomper)

nice

Thanks @smoky island !

[smoky island]

Thanks all 👋 Have a great weekend!

[sudden slate]

👍

[open girder]

The Desk of Ladyada - Spooky Stemma Seesaw Sunday! https://youtu.be/Jqad0GDXKr0

[teal river]

Spoop boops

[green bison]

I think I'm gonna get a pi zero 2 around the time I replace my graphics card: "in the nebulous future"

[vagrant flax]

I bought almost everything that Adafruit recommended on the product page 😂

[teal river]

I got one!

Ordered one... is processing

[vagrant flax]

I'm excited, I've never had a raspberry pi before

[teal river]

AdaBox preparing for shipment

[teal river]

Welcome to the club!

[open girder]

https://adafruit.com/piz2w

will fo FAST

er go

[teal river]

The black spot in the middle of the screen scared me, I thought I had some pixels go out DX

[vagrant flax]

I thought something was on my screen 😂

[teal river]

I think it's a greenscreen bit

[glad mortar]

that looks sweet

[green bison]

I got one!

[teal river]

Haha

[green bison]

A pi zero 2W

Anyone know if Scott's baremetal cp will come to this board?

[teal river]

Question on Zero 2 purchases -- it's limit 1, how long before you can order another one? A month? [a month delay seems to be standard for such things]

[open girder]

fixed

@green bison yep it will

[green bison]

Woot!

[open girder]

@teal river you can purchase another, just make a new order

we cannot combine them tho

[teal river]

Ahh, gotcha. I'll be patient and order with my next order to save shipping XD or whenever they come in stock if they don't last until Wednesday, which would surprise me

[vagrant flax]

lol

it's true

[ivory kiln]

Q: What is Limor's shirt? 'World peace is none of your business'?

[open girder]

yah, some band shirt

[teal river]

Google tells me it's Morrissey

[ivory kiln]

Gotcha. Was just wondering about the saying it self.

[vagrant flax]

yeah I've used a level shifter for the red and yellow versions

[teal river]

Considering the low power, I don't think we need to feel too bad about power efficiency... not like it'll waste 10kW

Bzzzz

That Weeping Angel was terrifying

And did I see a Glimmer?!

Bai! Happy spoopmis!

[lilac tusk]

Love me a good charge pump

[vagrant flax]

[green bison]

I'm very excited for circuitpython with the speeds of a pi

[tame dew]

Thank you for making more pi zero 2 w available today. Ordered with some other goodies.

[gilded crescent]

Picked one up, along with a few other things in the wishlist ... need some winter projects

[mellow thunder]

Wow Pi Zero 2's still in stock... tempting to get yet another!

[shadow epoch]

well hello Tuesday, we meet again

[haughty quiver]

That’s what they WANT you to think…

[green bison]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/Scott - 5pm ET Fridays

[clear matrix]

THEM again!

[haughty quiver]

insidious!

[green bison]

excited for the show!

[haughty quiver]

me too!

[inner spade]

Disco beats on YT!

[viral sail]

Good afternoon.

[drowsy inlet]

that title card makes me want a JP bobblehead

[cinder wind]

YES Halloween extension please

[inner spade]

mic audio very good; peaking at -6dB, smooth, and in-sync

[cinder wind]

oh yeah and you can use Fritzing to "lay out a PCB" but using breadboard mode

[woeful pond]

or a dremel

Thanks for the price-cut...got 2

[cinder wind]

here's the short header sockets JP was using: https://www.adafruit.com/product/3008

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver

[woeful pond]

Thanks for the show and the discount

[inner spade]

Thanks @haughty quiver . Always good to have a variety of perma-proto boards on-hand.

[shadow epoch]

Thank you for show and discount.

[rocky reef]

hi foks, no 3D Hangouts this week (Noe's birthday!) we'll be hosting Show and Tell tonight - see ya'll then!

[shell mason]

oh

[hard hollow]

Hope to see some of ya'll tonight ✨

[lilac tusk]

Happy birthday @hard hollow 😄

Mine is tomorrow

[hard hollow]

@lilac tusk sweet! Thank you, Happy Early B-Day 🥳

[shell mason]

i dont think i will be there

[urban gale]

Happy Birthday Noe! 🎊

[woeful pond]

@hard hollow Happy Birthday!! Enjoy

[hard hollow]

@urban gale thanks!

@woeful pond thanks Stuart!

[urban gale]

Happy early Bday @lilac tusk

[lilac tusk]

Thanks 🙂

[woeful pond]

@lilac tusk Have a Happy Birthday Tomorrow

[upbeat coral]

Hey y'll

[viral sail]

Happy Birthday @hard hollow !

[hard hollow]

@viral sail thank you, Jim

[sudden slate]

Happy Bday Noe

[hard hollow]

@sudden slate thank you

[waxen thistle]

Happy Birthday!!! If we knew, we'd print you a cake! 🍰

[hard hollow]

haha, thanks @waxen thistle

[split gazelle]

good evening folks

[lilac tusk]

Hey 👋

@split gazelle loved your RPi Zero glamour shots

[split gazelle]

thank you!

[lilac tusk]

The pink really did wonders for it 🙂

[split gazelle]

thanks! yeah it was giving me some sailor jupiter vibes

[waxen thistle]

Good evening all you most excellent people, robots, and cross-dimensional beings stuck here since the Halloween portal closed!

[lilac tusk]

There definitely are some lingering spirits from Halloween @waxen thistle

Encountered some yesterday lol

Messages getting deleted by dynobot for everyone else but still being visible to me

[waxen thistle]

I'm not seeing anything @lilac tusk

[lilac tusk]

(I was attempting to share a general kenobi GIF 😅)

It was yesterday

[ionic garnet]

Howdy folks

[nova totem]

Hello everybody

[hard hollow]

hey folks get ready https://streamyard.com/a5935izvqy

[waxen thistle]

Spooks indeed!

[ionic garnet]

we are ready sir!

[upbeat coral]

Hey y'll

[lilac tusk]

It’s a birthday show and tell a palooza!

Wouldn’t it be wild if everyone’s show n tell was a birthday surprise for Noe

[haughty quiver]

howdy!

[lilac tusk]

A wild John Park has appeared!

[waxen thistle]

What's up Lars, I mean JP?

[ionic garnet]

Showtime!

the kevmeister

[haughty quiver]

<they know too much>

[grand tusk]

Yay!

[waxen thistle]

It's not a gameshow? What am I going to do with all these buzzers?

[ionic garnet]

for the kids own good

save them from diabetes!

[grand tusk]

Boards!

[waxen thistle]

2021 Boards Guide - probably 3/4ths of them are Adafruit

[nova totem]

Send them to others, hook them to boards to sync online and do a show and tell game show

[waxen thistle]

woooo, AR + print media!

today I learned there's a microbit piano 🙂

[ionic garnet]

need microbit guitar

cuz I don't play piano (well)

got my pi zero w 2 today. What to build? What to make?

[waxen thistle]

I'd love to see AR glasses -- it'd be a lot easier than holding a phone 🙂

[ionic garnet]

now way off Broadway!

[novel bolt]

www.digikey.com/boardsguide to check out the app for both IOS and android..... It does work without the guide too. It can trigger to a flat desktop surface.

[clear matrix]

@novel bolt Hey!

[novel bolt]

Hello!!

[clear matrix]

I was looking for purple LEDs, and found one at Digi-Key but, as much as I love you folks, I can't bring myself to make an order for a single bare LED. 😄

So it's on my list for the next order.

[waxen thistle]

That's easy to fix, order 1,000 😉

[nova totem]

I made the Han Solo in carbonite in silk copper pla last year for a friend who loves star wars and it came out so well

[novel bolt]

There is always another order! Even if the warehouse is right under your nose

[lilac tusk]

Why stop there? 1000 could just be one project! Might as well get 5000 just in case

[waxen thistle]

I reject your electronics and substitute my own!

[lilac tusk]

crosses arms in adam savage

[ionic garnet]

Nice Liz

[grand tusk]

Ooh that's cool.

[lilac tusk]

I was looking at the board guide. Pretty thorough

[waxen thistle]

Such nice color gradient on that too.

[nova totem]

Nice job @split gazelle what's the LED display?

starting early... what is this concept you speak of?

[ionic garnet]

Dreidel, driedel, I made it out of LEDs

[sudden gate]

❤️ it

[lilac tusk]

Unfortunately none of my companies boards made it in. But! They did make it into the make article about RP2040 and that’s the next best thing (because it’s linked in the board guide)

[viral sail]

Thanks everyone for sharing.

[nova totem]

Happy Birthday @hard hollow and great show both of you.

[grand tusk]

Thanks Noe and Pedro!

[split gazelle]

thanks! it's a 32x32 rgb matrix controlled by a matrix portal

[hard hollow]

woo! thanks folks, apprecaite ya'll tuning in 😄

[lilac tusk]

LED projects honestly never get old

[hard hollow]

thanks much! 🙂

[ionic garnet]

never ever

[split gazelle]

thanks!

[woeful pond]

Thanks guys

[ionic garnet]

I hadn't realized Hanukkah was so early this year

[lilac tusk]

Yeah, those lunar months are hard to keep track of

28 days rather than our standard Gregorian calendar

Which ya know is like a roller coaster

[ionic garnet]

Lunar is Looney!

I always feel free to reschedule holidays

[lilac tusk]

I feel my Jewish friends are going to be on quite the diet rolling from thanks giving right into Hanukkah

So much good food

[ionic garnet]

yeah I was raised Jewish (more agnostic these days)

[waxen thistle]

hmmm. latkes.

i'm not jewish, but i love so much awesome jewish food. and good food in general, regardless of where it's from. 🙂

[lilac tusk]

Hehe same

Chicken fajitas in my house this evening

With homemade tortillas

This last weekend I did a beautiful lamb roast with fire roasted sweet peppers and fresh homemade pita

[ionic garnet]

WOW

[grand tusk]

so hungry

[ionic garnet]

do y'all have a favorite neopixel vendor besides Adafruit? I buy a lot of BTF-Lighting. They ain't cheap but seem a tad better quality than some of the other brands. Just curious...

[lilac tusk]

Tortillas made earlier

[lilac tusk]

I take my chances on Aliexpress

[ionic garnet]

Nice. Flour right?

[lilac tusk]

I’ve not been burned yet

Yeah flour tortillas

[ionic garnet]

Yes I have bought a few from there and also etsy I think

[lilac tusk]

I do corn tortillas on occasion

[waxen thistle]

Adafruit and Digikey gets like 90% of my hobby budget. Sometimes I roll the dice elsewhere -- but usually expectations > results.

[ionic garnet]

yeah I like them both

[lilac tusk]

I’m usually buying a reel so I get 1500 for ~$120

[ionic garnet]

Adafruit doesn't always have the configuration I am looking for. I love to buy from them when I can.

[lilac tusk]

Roughly 9¢ a piece

[ionic garnet]

good price

[lilac tusk]

Yeah

Crazy to think I’ve used almost 3000 neopixel this year 😳

[ionic garnet]

yeah I may have beat that but lost count

[lilac tusk]

These just being lose ones I’ve soldered into products I sell

Not including individual projects which uh.. keeps going up 😅

[ionic garnet]

Ah, I don't dig soldering if I don't have to. But sometimes ya gotta

for decorations I really like BTF's fairy lights. I have them strung up all over my office and driven by a QT Py RP2040 with power injected in 5 places due to length

[lilac tusk]

Nice

The fairy neopixel are nice

[open girder]

WE ARE LIVE! ASK AN ENGINEER! https://youtu.be/PU7-mnFHPNQ

[ionic garnet]

Muzix

[waxen thistle]

Good evening all you engineers! Time to prep your questions and get ready for a fun-filled hour!

[ionic garnet]

FUN time

[lilac tusk]

I like the 0.5m strips of 4mm wide strips

[ionic garnet]

My other favorite is 292 (I think) concentric rings

and 22x22 matrix

[nimble jackal]

Spoooooky

[ionic garnet]

that's a scene

[upbeat coral]

PT looks too real

[ionic garnet]

he is frightening

love the umbrella

[waxen thistle]

audio is peaking on the recorded bits, but the live audio is pretty good

[nimble jackal]

sudo do 'tronics

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/opensafely

[lilac tusk]

glances at $70+ in cart I need to order for projects

[waxen thistle]

use the coupon code!

[turbid hill]

sign no pi zero 2's

[ionic garnet]

I got the one per customer arrived today.

[waxen thistle]

Vaccination makes it all possible! Thanks everyone for getting vaccinated and doing the right thing!

[ionic garnet]

Getting my THIRD shot on Saturday

[nova totem]

We just had our first comicon back here in a while

[hot frigate]

Paid leave for vac's is awesome! Thank you for setting such a great example!

[ionic garnet]

very classy to do that

[split gazelle]

i love a sticker

[lilac tusk]

Subtotal: $69.61 nice

[waxen thistle]

physical stickers, virtual stickers, pot stickers ....hmm. pot stickers. yum.

[lilac tusk]

Hehe

[ionic garnet]

yes

now I'm hungry

[waxen thistle]

🐱 🛋️

[grand tusk]

Here in the beehive state, vote by mail is the default.

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adafruit.com/free

[ionic garnet]

I paid full price yesterday.

[lilac tusk]

Certainly disappointed by the Virginia results and other races. But we have a year to get things together.

[alpine radish]

@open girder y'all are costing me money. I'm using StreamYard now. Thanks for being a great example!

[ionic garnet]

well not exactly. I did buy the protoboards from JP's show

[lilac tusk]

Okay, just buying some LED strips i need to finish some light projects that are gifts for others

[ionic garnet]

me too. Virginia bummed me out

[nova totem]

I have one of the CP expresses ready for a birthday gift for a friend's kid

[sturdy dagger]

In Virgina. Also very bummed.

[ionic garnet]

i just got a CPX Bluefruit today. Excited to use it for an educational project

[waxen thistle]

Thanks @hard hollow and @rocky reef for hosting Show & Tell!

[ionic garnet]

Sign of the beast

[grand tusk]

My adabox shipped today. Also rpi zero 2 W. Yay!

[turbid hill]

Got my adafruit box yesterday

[open girder]

10% discount code, one hour only! code is: CATLAMP expires 11/3/2021 @ 10pm EDT http://www.adafruit.com

[lilac tusk]

The great search has taught me to be very a great parts sleuth

Saw a great new buck converter coming from TI that Digi-Key shared as new

Two variants. One does 4A and the other does 6A max current output!

Not available of course but still cool

LEDs ordered 👍🏻

[waxen thistle]

"Why do we need so many similar products that do the same thing?" ~folks pre-covid

Post-covid....this. This right here.

[lilac tusk]

Yupppp

[hot frigate]

@open girder Question: CP on the Raspberry Pi... Can you confirm an assumption that one would be able to just "turn it on and off" like an M4 or any other CP board/microcontroller, versus having to wait for the OS to boot and/or possibly frying one's SD card in the process? My biggest gripe about the Pi, and my biggest source of excitement around this announcement.

[open girder]

@rapid hornet may be able to talk about that, but it's like instant 🙂

maybe 5 secs or less

[lilac tusk]

Looks like there is an important suggestion Adafruit: https://mobile.twitter.com/baldengineer/status/1456051991193477123

James Lewis (@baldengineer)

I'm not trying to say anything @adafruit, BUT, McMaster-Carr sells snacks ... https://t.co/s1wk2fEL01

Okay, I am saying, it would be cool if you also sold snacks. (Probably better if you avoid chips.)

Twitter · Nov 4, 2021, 12:13 AM

[open girder]

fruit baskets perhaps

[haughty quiver]

Exclusively durian.

[waxen thistle]

Solder fountain fondue.

[ionic garnet]

of purple doom

[open girder]

we could sell a better, lower-cost, open-source cleaning cloth to compete with apple

[turbid hill]

I wonder if that python os on pi can be placed on a zero

[ionic garnet]

little bits of clipping

[open girder]

apple should also sell apples on their site if all fruit electronics companies need to sell snacks

[rapid hornet]

@hot frigate the GPU of the raspberry pi does take a number of seconds to load the code into RAM. Once CircuitPython is running then the SD card will only be written based on USB traffic or python code (just like on a microcontroller)

[open girder]

same with raspberry pi, and blackberry 🙂

[hot frigate]

Does that mean that the SD card corruption threat still exists?

[turbid hill]

I have not used a sewing machine for like 45 years

[ionic garnet]

we were discussing the Pequot Indians at dinner last night. They are prominent here in CT/MA area

[lilac tusk]

Some people are celebrating indigenous people world wide for Native American Heritage month

[ionic garnet]

what are you dressed up as? Neopixels!

[alpine radish]

@open girder You can put an "ada" sticker on literally any fruit -- done.

[nova totem]

My question should be is how many battery backs Lady Ada's costume took

[lilac tusk]

It’s powered by her sheer engineering will

[alpine radish]

Probably not that many. If she's only out for a couple hours, it's not that bad.

There's also persistence of vision -- they don't all have to be blasting all the time to look like they're blasting all the time.

[ionic garnet]

I like Pimoroni too!

[lilac tusk]

That’s how powerful of an engineer Ladyada is

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adabox.com

[rapid hornet]

@hot frigate Technically yes. The risk will scale with how often you write to the SD card. It won't be like linux where logs get written all the time

[ionic garnet]

I was looking at an ItsyBitsy RP2040 today and really blown away with craftmanship of design and build

[rapid hornet]

It's similar to the risk of corrupting the SPI flash with CP on micros

[ionic garnet]

I tend to run the latest stable CPython on Pis

[lilac tusk]

I am trying to source a ton of parts for a Black Friday launch. Will it happen? Ehhhhh maybe

[hot frigate]

That's great! Was just thinking if there were another option besides an SD card, seeing as how CP is kinda different from a full OS.

[ionic garnet]

started using CPython on embedded systems during Jibo days

the robot was C/C++ and node.js but we used Python in manufacturing and Manufacturing test

[waxen thistle]

https://jobs.adafruit.com

https://www.adafruitdaily.com/2021/11/02/python-on-microcontrollers-newsletter-python-adafruit-circuitpython-micropython-thepsf-2/

Speaking of spam -- I'm SO GLAD that adafruit doesn't send me a "hey we saw you looking at X item!" email.

It's a bit creepy and unwanted, so kudos for doing the right thing!

[ionic garnet]

me too

I really appreciate the way Adafruit does business

[haughty quiver]

When PT says "AdaBox Winter Edition" all I can think is

[lilac tusk]

Next years fall adabox

Become a PT Winter Solder

[haughty quiver]

"Bucky" is just a mispronunciation of "PT"

[ionic garnet]

yes. This is why we made the "Skills" layer of Jibo in a scripting language

[nova totem]

Coming from C64 basic when I was a kid and then to some IBM PC and going "why can't I just type in the code"

[hot frigate]

LOL, "allergic to compilers". Please make that a sticker, as I think I am too.

[waxen thistle]

Python is the antihistamine for those allergic to compilers.

[ionic garnet]

there's a time and place for compilers. But it isn't the iterative dev process!

[waxen thistle]

e-ink HDMI screens -- today I learned they exist 🙂

[haughty quiver]

that screen is cool looking

[hot frigate]

SLEEPER HIT!

[waxen thistle]

relatively low power status updates but with a RPI linux supporting your project 🙂

[ionic garnet]

YAY

[waxen thistle]

Patent trolls need to sit in the corner and think about what they've done.

[alpine radish]

WokWi.com has a cool RPi & Arduino emulator and Uri is the nicest guy you'll ever want to meet.

[ionic garnet]

i agree. ARM should have

you'll get same answer'

[turbid hill]

Can we send patent trolls to pluto

[waxen thistle]

.....why do we dislike Pluto so much? There's a heart there, let's not sully that up.

[lilac tusk]

Yes, make Pluto lovable again

[turbid hill]

I was looking for a cool place to store them

[haughty quiver]

"we don't comment on prior litigation"

[ionic garnet]

I have many patents (well, I am one of the inventors) but never have any been used to troll or offensive strategy

[turbid hill]

Make Pluto a planet again.

[ionic garnet]

most held by Symantec and the company formerly called Affectiva

[waxen thistle]

https://learn.adafruit.com/guides/latest

[lilac tusk]

Ahhh yis

Stencil machines are satisfying to watch

[turbid hill]

getting ready to sell a lot of those slider boards

and more macro pads

[waxen thistle]

And these Sliders won't send you to a parallel dimension.

[lilac tusk]

But they will help you slide into some new projects

[waxen thistle]

oooo, nice copy 👍

[ionic garnet]

cue GooGoo Dolls "Slide"

[lilac tusk]

It’s too bad sliding into projects isn’t as mainstream as other sliding activities like sliding on slides at parks

[grand tusk]

That baton is awesome.

[lilac tusk]

Cute Kirby

If I had a Google home mini i would totally use it

Unfortunately all I have is an old spy bot from the beta days of the Amazon Echo

[turbid hill]

That bot just reported you

[lilac tusk]

Yup lol

[trim spruce]

Hey

[lilac tusk]

I don’t plan on buying any more spy bots after my current spy bot dies

[trim spruce]

Cool Google home mini case. Link?

[waxen thistle]

https://suntsu.com/2021/03/10/suntsu-offers-foot-switches-for-hands-free-applications/

https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/s/suntsu/foot-switches

[lilac tusk]

Also old light switches in trucks

And cars

Like 70s through early 90s

[ionic garnet]

Funny. I have all three of those pedals

well, I have DS-2

[split gazelle]

pedals!

[lilac tusk]

Next adabox, I see it

[grand tusk]

Foot switches are mmyy.

[ionic garnet]

i have as many pedals as I have neopixels

[turbid hill]

lol

[ionic garnet]

@split gazelle you inspired me to build some guitar pedals

[lilac tusk]

So next adabox is a floor synth with foot switches

[waxen thistle]

These switches may or may not have been used in Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark in the room with the golden idol.

[ionic garnet]

Floor synth!!!!

[lilac tusk]

Just throwing out ideas here 😆

[nimble jackal]

So metal. 🤘

[ionic garnet]

Totally off topic but Geddy Lee of Rush played a mean bass synth

[turbid hill]

foot pedal the dentist uses for the drill

[ionic garnet]

foot bass synth

I did know this!

I just searched last week

[lilac tusk]

Oh neat

[nova totem]

new challenge, somehow pick a random part on Digikey and make a project with it

[ionic garnet]

LIKE

[lilac tusk]

Great idea

Next hackaday contest

[waxen thistle]

The "Digi-Key Challenge".

[lilac tusk]

Picking a random obscure part on Digi-Key, send it out to entrants and see what they make

[waxen thistle]

and then pair that with McMasterCarr's food & snacks -- Iron Chef, MMC edition.

[lilac tusk]

But it’s a mystery as to what the part is

Winner gets an Ada-fruit basket

[ionic garnet]

very nice packaging

[dim knot]

USB Type C microSD Card Reader/Writer https://www.adafruit.com/product/5212

[waxen thistle]

CATLAMP 🙂

[ionic garnet]

needs more leds!

I like it

[dim knot]

Art Deco Cat Lamp - Soldering Kit by Elkai Education https://www.adafruit.com/product/5237

[midnight plinth]

Does it swipe at your finger as a real cat?

[ionic garnet]

I'll be buying some for the kids I gift 'tronics to

[trim spruce]

Neat

[dim knot]

Pimoroni PicoSystem - RP2040 Handheld Gaming System - PIM559 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5289

[ionic garnet]

I'm not even a gamer and I want one

[trim spruce]

Cool pico system

[ionic garnet]

I like their products

2nd fave behind Adafruit

[lilac tusk]

So that’s where all those displays went

[ionic garnet]

they bought them all!

[vagrant flax]

That is a pretty slick looking system

[lilac tusk]

I can get them on Aliexpress though ya know, it’s a real guess if you’ll get a good one in good packaging

[vagrant flax]

lol

[lilac tusk]

The 11 I ordered in September came in very light padded envelope lol

[dim knot]

Raspberry Pi Build HAT - LEGO Robotics Add-On For Raspberry Pi https://www.adafruit.com/product/5287

[lilac tusk]

I was surprised they all worked

[waxen thistle]

Adafruit -- you know exactly what you're getting. Shipped from NYC, supports a woman-owned business, support USA manufacturing, etc.

Aliexpress -- "good luck"

[lilac tusk]

But they look great

[ionic garnet]

yeah exactly

that is nice

[dim knot]

PiCam Module for Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 - Camera & Compute Module Not Incl https://www.adafruit.com/product/5247

[lilac tusk]

Rpi driven too

[ionic garnet]

I think Aliexpress is cool, I just don't buy much stuff there

Got mine today!!!! From Adafruit

[lilac tusk]

Rp2040 and ESP32-s2 have saved me from not having many design choices

[waxen thistle]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/Scott - 5pm ET Fridays

[dim knot]

Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W https://www.adafruit.com/product/5291

[lilac tusk]

Nooooo I could have ordered oneee

https://tenor.com/view/nooo-no-nope-no-way-screaming-gif-15477187

[ionic garnet]

I got mine today so I will leave those for everyone else

[open girder]

ok! we might be able to put a few in (no discounts on these of course) -- https://adafruit.com/piz2w

[lilac tusk]

Oh well

[ionic garnet]

I'll want more but I can wait

[open girder]

1 per customer per order

[tribal iris]

per order is the magic word

[lilac tusk]

I have to order parts for a product launch so no pi zero for me lol

Maybe in a few months

[ionic garnet]

i still can use first pi zero w for simple projects. can't wait to use my new pi zero w 2

[tribal iris]

i got one so i won't be greedy when i don't know the use case yet

[ionic garnet]

yeah same

shoot. I ordered this board but forgot extra RAM

[waxen thistle]

63 in stock!

[lilac tusk]

I thought it was funny I designed an ESP32-s2 feather because I was impatient lol..

[vivid ore]

I mean, you're not alone there haha

[ionic garnet]

is it fair if I do buy one? I bought one last week

[upper sandal]

oh somebody was asking about using the ESP32 Huzzah feather and the matrix featherwing, are there specific requirements that would prevent it ? (incidentally what prompted making a separate wing for the NRF52 ?)

[open girder]

@ionic garnet yup, it's all good

[ionic garnet]

thanks

@open girder Thanks. I ordered one. By itself. Sorry. I did order a bunch of higher margin stuff last night.

Sorry

I will make it up to you promise

[shy cipher]

#askanengineer Would a PR be accepted to add a CircuitPython build for an ESP32 board, to natively use the Adafruit peripheral libraries? Or would that only be accepted for ESP32-S2 boards that have native USB, so instead I should just try to compile my own CircuitPython firmware?

[open girder]

@ionic garnet all good, appreciate it 🙂

[tribal iris]

the ruiz brother propmaker based projects (example the time stick) always use m4 express. can i use the more affordable rp2040 feather?

[turbid hill]

QUESTION: Who writes the "Adafruit Daily" this statement "Transistor current ratings in datasheets can be deceptive! Never rely on marketing material and do your own thermal calculations." It seems to equate that datasheets cannot be trusted, What Gives?

[tribal iris]

QUESTION: the ruiz brother propmaker based projects (example the time stick) always use m4 express. can i use the more affordable rp2040 feather?

[rapid hornet]

@shy cipher ya, I think we'll end up supporting ESP32 via ble at some point. opening an issue is always a great place to start

[delicate fractal]

Trust but verify,

[turbid hill]

So read the fine print

[lilac tusk]

Or perfect 25°C ambient temperatures

[waxen thistle]

You can't eject the core if you lose containment though.

[ionic garnet]

please do @rapid hornet . I just bought one and don't want to have to use C++!!!

[upper sandal]

you can use micropython though

[delicate fractal]

I stand corrected!

[ebon stratus]

PHIL just helped you out with a big UPS Free order. The Pi zero clinched the checkout. Thanks Mr. & Mrs. LadyAda 🏳️‍🌈❤️

[turbid hill]

lol does ada sell fruit

[ionic garnet]

bye!!!!

[upper sandal]

a whole fruit basket of electronic companies

[upbeat coral]

Thank you for taking time for us.

[trim spruce]

Cool show

[bronze spear]

Thanks 😉

[inner spade]

A cornucopia of fruitful project ideas.

[viral sail]

Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌑

[waxen thistle]

Thanks @open girder for another excellent evening of shows! Thanks @hard hollow and @rocky reef for hosting Show & Tell! And thanks to all you wonderful folks for being here!

[split gazelle]

thanks for a great evening of shows!

[vagrant flax]

Thanks @open girder 😄

[ionic garnet]

@open girder Thank you so much. The zero w 2 was a nice touch!

[shy cipher]

I grabbed a pile of inexpensive M5 Stamp, ESP32 boards that have a Grove connector that works great with StemmaQT boards using the adafru.it/4528 cable. Was having struggles getting Blinka playing nicely with I2C and MicroPython, and the Adafruit peripheral libraries...clearly native CircuitPython would work best 😉 Can work that out with the team in the "Help w/ CP" channel

[lilac tusk]

And Happy Diwali to those celebrating

(Starts tonight? Tomorrow?) Google says November 4th

[ionic garnet]

I've heard there is a hack that gets most esp32 boards to run CP. I think I heard that

[ebon stratus]

@turbid hill I could make a joke there 🏳️‍🌈 that would not be PC. So I'll drop it. But I am what I am.

[rapid hornet]

@shy cipher You probably want #circuitpython-dev for getting CP building

Don't expect USB to work though

• the USB drive

[shy cipher]

OH no, I'm perfectly fine with the lack of USB...these boards don't have it! It's getting device libraries to work in a fashion where I'm struggling. Perhaps I'll work with both channels 🙂

It was primarily that I'm aware the Adafruit default policy is for CircuitPython to be beginner friendly, with the "PyDrive" to easily copy libraries and code to and from boards.

[rapid hornet]

ya, we won't be official on ESP32 until we have the BLE workflow

but it's pretty high on my todo list behind this raspberry pi stuff

[ebon stratus]

Today was National Sandwich Day.

[ionic garnet]

thanks Scott

[shy cipher]

so when your board doesn't even HAVE a USB port...it's clearly not a sanctioned device. If I can git clone the repo and build for my device, that's already much easier for using the I2C boards that have good libraries. That answered my questions, thanks!

[rapid hornet]

I think ESP32 support will take more work than that. We would accept it as a PR though

[trim spruce]

@ebon stratus $2 off at Jersey Mike's for national sandwich day!

[waxen thistle]

Happy Thursday y'all 🙂

[lavish patrol]

Greetings, all. 👋

Bleeps and Bloops are imminent. 👂

[waxen thistle]

Lars eats bleeps and bloops

he's hungry for sounds. you wouldn't let him starve, would you?

feed him.

[lavish patrol]

Lol

[waxen thistle]

he commands it.

lol

[lavish patrol]

Lars is the All-seeing eye...

[spiral vale]

👁️

[waxen thistle]

bleeps and bloops live, but I think I'm hearing some crackling?

[lavish patrol]

Also...

[spiral vale]

weird - had to reload my YT window

[haughty quiver]

weird

[viral sail]

Good afternoon everyone.

[inner spade]

bleeps and bloops on YT -- sounding okay in this neck of the woods

[spiral vale]

Aloha

[waxen thistle]

That's disturbing. It haunts my dreams, sulks in my nightmares, and invades my soul. More please. 🙂

[lavish patrol]

I have "The Lars Collection"...

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-forceis-strong-gif-13913607

[inner spade]

another perfect mic audio session! peaking at -6dB, in-sync, and smoooooth

[shell mason]

lars is strong in the force

[lavish patrol]

Of course, I'm here an hour early this week as we've put our clocks back. 🕥

[waxen thistle]

https://jobs.adafruit.com

[lavish patrol]

I sense a disturbance in the Lars...

[shell mason]

yeah timeshift

[lavish patrol]

aaaaaaaaaaa

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adabox.com

[drowsy inlet]

might be obvious, but still 4 per year?

[waxen thistle]

yepper, more or less "quarterly" but now "seasonal"

[drowsy inlet]

awesome thx

[waxen thistle]

which is more north american 4-seasons -- versus places where it's dry or wet, or in american locales where it's 2 seasons of winter and construction.

[spiral vale]

can I get those in Low Quality PCBs instead?

[waxen thistle]

spin the wheel on ebay or amazon third-party sellers....spend 3/4ths the amount for a chance at maybe 1/4th the quality.

[spiral vale]

Vivaldi's Four Seasons?

[tiny axle]

why were all the pins on the screen connected to gnd

[lavish patrol]

I like the word Autumn, but Fall makes more sense.

[tiny axle]

??? didnt hear anything?

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/millenniumfalcon-millenium-falcon-starwars-lamp-gif-7921799

[drowsy inlet]

was it the cut pcb?

[tiny axle]

@haughty quiver the video of you in the flanel shirt showing the perma proto

[loud verge]

SuperSaw!

[lavish patrol]

I'm confused. 🤔

[fresh flame]

make a Commodore SID simulator with adafruit waveform

[tiny axle]

What was the reason, got called away at wrong moment

[lavish patrol]

@tiny axle He was just using the protoboard to mount the screen. It wasn't connected to anything via the board.

@tiny axle the screen was connected via a cable.

[tiny axle]

ok

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-solo-star-wars-gif-10997068

[lavish patrol]

Everything is working today as Lars is fast asleep.

[shell mason]

lars is meditating

[lavish patrol]

Halloween wore him out.

[tiny axle]

I hate Lars

[lavish patrol]

Don't say that out loud! 😉

[tiny axle]

As if the back end of the motor wasn't a clue, the two wires and the cap is a big clue...

hmn why don't N20 dc motors have caps?

I only buy preterminated dupont and JST's now as crimping them is a pain even with the correct tools!

[spiral vale]

crimpin aint easy

[tiny axle]

The H-Bridge only supplies positive voltage. by controlling which contact is positive make the meter think its negative

The M5Stack Core2 connected with the Goplus2 module allows the motors to be connected directly without replacing the connectors.

Use an analog meter (not DMM) to measure the voltage from the speaker

[lavish patrol]

I've come to hate those screw terminals.

[shell mason]

larsgiving

[lavish patrol]

Lol

[shell mason]

now if that show lars face

[spiral vale]

replace sounds with Medieval Madness Pinball sounds.

[lavish patrol]

MP3 Dakota? 😉

[waxen thistle]

My college's student union building had a gaming lounge (arcade, snacks, pool tables, etc)....and one of their pinball machines was Lord of the Rings.

When you spend hours there for projects, those sounds become part of one's psyche 🙂

[shell mason]

MP3 Lars

right Andy

[lavish patrol]

"In my mind, I'm going to South Dakota"...

[spiral vale]

"It's a Mystery"

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-side-sidious-sith-star-gif-9619007

[lavish patrol]

@waxen thistle So you'd walk outside hours later and then say "I have no memory of this place..." 😄

[sudden gate]

Thanks @haughty quiver for another fun project!

[shell mason]

similar to that but with lars

[inner spade]

I like the approach to abstract the functions in the CircuitPython code -- very flexible.

[shell mason]

something with gremlings could be fun too

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver. Have a good weekend.

[spiral vale]

Woop woop

[smoky island]

Volume knob for testing is soooo nice. I've worked on gadgets like that before and hearing it play it's thing a million times while you're working on it gets old somewhat quick.

[lavish patrol]

Great show @haughty quiver, thanks. 😀

Drones do that.

[inner spade]

DC motors do that. The cheaper the motor, the louder the sound.

[waxen thistle]

Reminds me of floppy disk music arrays

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-diver-eivind-frogman-gif-14830614

[lavish patrol]

Trams and trolly buses - if they use PWM or PPM to control the speed, you can hear the distinctive humming or whistling noise they make.

[haughty quiver]

thanks a great big bunch for coming by!

[inner spade]

Excellent show @haughty quiver . Always fun to think about hacking options.

[fathom kite]

What Scott is doing with CP and Raspberry Pi is pretty exciting! I'm one of the lucky ones that nabbed a Pi Zero 2 W. My mind races with all the video, audio, and crazy stuff people will get up to with this thing. Maybe Scott will be working on GPIO in the next Deep Dive?

[rapid hornet]

@fathom kite GPIO works already for the pins I've defined. I'm hoping to work on Zero 2W support today on the stream.

[sudden slate]

🤿

[grand tusk]

Hope my 2W arrives today.

[upbeat galleon]

since I learned about Scott's plans I've had to put my rpi4 in the spot planned for the 2w so the 2w can be ready and waiting for CircuitPython when the time comes

[rapid hornet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o6eAFGAJl1t6rfpzNz-EhcRvWFhrE4dvBr8O43JNSP4/edit?usp=sharing

[green bison]

excited to watch later, really excited for the pi zero 2 stuff

[last coral]

Hi 🙂

[brazen quail]

Hola from Florida ! :-D

Yes, usually CO.

[desert orbit]

Hi! Love the work you've been doing on bare-metal Pi stuff 😄

[sterile forge]

Hello Tannewt Got my PI Zero 2 W yesterday

[odd zodiac]

Hi all from Cornwall

[simple fractal]

Speaking of the 2

[sudden gate]

Hello All

[simple fractal]

Apple 🍎 for scale

It’s a Salish apple. BC native. 😆

[brazen quail]

and no battery to wear out or pay for.

[simple fractal]

I have a new desktop in the pipeline.

[ornate coyote]

I got one as well 🙂

[nova totem]

Happy Friday everyone

[upbeat galleon]

hello scott

[simple fractal]

Here I’m cooking a Ragu. Was Motivated watching Kenji this morning

https://youtu.be/cvROmO5ODnQ

[ornate coyote]

@simple fractal Not sure if you saw but Ivan jumped in on the 4.3.1 cert issue...
https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf/issues/7660

[eager matrix]

Hi Scott. I hope that things are going great with you.

[simple fractal]

I put that into my ‘much later’ queue. 😎

[green bison]

just popping in to say hi at the start, will consume this content in the future

[simple fractal]

So I guess it is still there.

[ornate coyote]

Yup, only fixing it for 4.3.2 - kinda weird 😉

[eager matrix]

Caps Lock??

[last coral]

Oh the joys of alternate keymaps (I use bépo myself which is an adaptation of dvorak for french)

[balmy tinsel]

oh no did you have to get rid of your custom keyboard?

[grand tusk]

on-screen keyboard?

[balmy tinsel]

that's some good news

[last coral]

Nice!

[timid plover]

I heard USB sniffer ( assume you meand SD card sniffer )

[drifting arch]

@rapid hornet you said you got a USB sniffer 😛

[ornate coyote]

Yeah, SD sniffer?

[eager matrix]

I use a 4x4 Trellis for my important passwords.

[last coral]

Probably signal integrity problems

probing is hard…

[timid plover]

we are listening carefully 🙂

[sudden gate]

Useful data on that debug stream?

[last coral]

PXE?

If it’s PXE, you need TFTP and DHCP.

[odd zodiac]

I've been thinking of using a macropad for my passwords (which are getting longer and longer to type in)

[simple fractal]

1Password FTW

[eager matrix]

I do the same but with Bitwarden.

[simple fractal]

if i lose my password manager i'm dead

[drifting arch]

I use tftp at home all the time, I used tftpd-hpa though..it works really well.

[sterile forge]

Try using a small server with only TFTP and DNSmasq

[last coral]

TFTP is supposed to be a pretty dumb protocol. It should just work˘®

[desert orbit]

Do you have any recommendations for making string formatting a bit faster faster in CircuitPython code? Or is it just one of those convenient things that takes a ton of cycles no matter what? 😅

I've tried '%g' % ('x') vs "{}".format('x') and that is weirdly a bit faster (0.23 sec vs 0.26 sec) in my testing on an RP2040... but dang, so many cycles.

[simple fractal]

Noticed microsoft published a nice discussion about getting usb ports to passthru to WSL2. Havent tried it yet but soon.
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/connecting-usb-devices-to-wsl/

[drifting arch]

@rapid hornet I do a lot with tftp, lets hook up off-stream sometime and I can help you debug.

[simple fractal]

I don't mostly need that as I can flash under windows or on an actual linux box. But looks good.

[sterile forge]

Also make sure your server is a static IP

[drifting arch]

Getting usb ports working with WSL is easy....you format and install Ubuntu instead 😄

[simple fractal]

i used tftp was back when i was doing a lot of network support. loading some boxes required tftp serves

[desert orbit]

Similar string format performance on an M4 actually, maybe 10% faster? :/

Not a huge deal, just like to keep those cycles short 🙂

[simple fractal]

Maybe that was the wrong emoji., i'm a newbie to those modern things

i though it was soft dip chocolate ice cream

And my laptop runs arch. so we can argue distros 🙂

goes back to cooking

[grand tusk]

Four USB chips? For the love of god, Montressor!

[drifting arch]

As long as it's A distro...I don't mind.

[upbeat galleon]

btw the default Breeze SDDM (kde logon thing) theme has the "show password" button hidden, but if you install a different theme you can get a show password button at the login screen

[eager matrix]

I got my Blues Wireless Sawn Feather today along with their starter kit with the Cellular Data Modem. I'm excited to check it out.

[upbeat galleon]

i have a box running kde sitting beside me so i installed a theme called AbstractSDDM while i was watching, and i now have a handy little eyeball

i'm sure there are cuter ones that also give you eyeball

[drifting arch]

CM4 with 10 USB ports :)

[last coral]

Oh I have the same cheap HDMI capture thing. Works quite well for the price!

[drifting arch]

It's 3 USB Hubs

So it's not something that would fix your issue...it's just I need lots of ports for my universal test-jig

Ok...next version will have PCIe based hubs...

[sudden slate]

I was not one of those lucky people who got the Zero 2

😦

Hi Scott

[desert orbit]

If I want to play along at home would a first-gen Pi Zero work alright for tinkering with dev branch builds? (assuming your pushing changes to a branch?)

[sudden slate]

Is that a custom PCB??

[last coral]

Yep

[sudden slate]

That's nice that the OG Pi Zero will be supported

Very cool - OK

[cinder wind]

Scott is actually a custom-designed discord+youtube bot with running maxheadroomd and livestreamd server processes

[last coral]

https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/fBq76nP9

[sudden slate]

XD

[lilac salmon]

If the Zero is supported, would the RPi Model B (w/256mb) be supported since they use the same SoC?

[sudden slate]

Thanks - that's grrreat

Files downloaded - thanks Scott

[last coral]

I’m amazed you haven’t created a script to automate copying the file and sync

[sudden slate]

hehe

[last coral]

I’ve seen you doing that over and over on stream and can’t imagine how many times you had to do that off stream to get where you are now. I just feel the pain :p

[sudden slate]

Me too

What browser is that

?

[fresh flame]

Firefox

(looks like it)

[last coral]

Firefox with Tree Style Tab extension : https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/

Great add-on!

[sudden slate]

Oh, I just didn't recognize it with that extension - cool

👍

[last coral]

lsof -i:4444

[sterile forge]

Kill the previous Openocd attempt

[upbeat galleon]

it liked it

[timid plover]

you have mentioned SVD files, but maybe we could do a deep dive just into applying SVD files to new processors ( that's what you did , right? )

[last coral]

https://jinja.palletsprojects.com/en/3.0.x/

Is there a write-up describing the process and steps to port to a new platform?

I’d like to try on my own ARM board but I don’t really know where to start (yet).

[grand tusk]

They should have an 'expand all' button on that page.

[last coral]

It’s an FPGA with a HPS (Terasic De0-Nano-SoC)

The hard processor core is an ARM dual core Cortex A9

[upbeat galleon]

big

large

lol, no i meant the xml file is big

and also large

[last coral]

I’d like to drive HDMI or DisplayPort from the FPGA fabric (This part I’m pretty good at) and run CircuitPython from the HPS (There it’s over my head…).

We’ll talk at a better time then 😉

[balmy tinsel]

fpga and circuit python seem like they'd make a really powerful prototyping tool together, I'm hoping we get to see that at some point

[last coral]

That’s exactly what I’m after!

[timid plover]

what's the equivalent SVG for "cpuinfo" 🙂 ?

[balmy tinsel]

Can this be the year we just collectively decide to get rid of day light saving time, seems like the lost hour of sleep does a lot of harm

[simple fractal]

well i like it as otherwise it would be super dark early morning skiing

[sudden slate]

I like Daylight Savings

[simple fractal]

oops, yes get rid of daylight time, keep standard

[odd zodiac]

1 hour early for me this week back to normal next Friday

[timid plover]

just leave it "saving" all the time 🙂

[last coral]

Let’s just use UTC everywhere and adjust locally

[sudden slate]

I love DST

Pour on the hate

[balmy tinsel]

No one else has ever liked my idea of slowly setting the clock back over a week

[simple fractal]

it was super dark this morning at 7am. like full dark, and raining.

[last coral]

Time is just a convention

[sudden slate]

I'm a night owl too

I just like the dark

[simple fractal]

ok, ragu is simmering.

[last coral]

That would be a nightmare for computers!

[simple fractal]

i used the listening time productively

[shell mason]

its dark in winter what is coming but it got dark in 4pm here