live-broadcast-chat

[ionic garnet]

hi peeps

[teal river]

Hewwo!

[ionic garnet]

I forgive you

[quick veldt]

Isn’t it weird how apologies work better when it’s not on twitter

Or…everything works better when it’s not on twitter

[tulip canyon]

👍

[teal river]

I wasn't in the offended group, but I appreciate that you take their feelings into account, take responsibility, and apologize for it

[quick veldt]

Same

[autumn turret]

Soooo.... making an NFT from your apology.... is that a thing?

[velvet beacon]

All good, pt :)

[orchid star]

Question: What do you recommend for pogo probes? I got some of the pogo clips you sell to try to use with the SWD pins on M0 feather and trinkey, but the clips don't work well on double sided boards. They slide/don't clamp/roll/can't get close to each other.

[teal river]

Question: what do you do with failed 3D prints, like these keycaps that don't fit on key switch stems?

[quick veldt]

Throw them away?

Lol

[rapid hornet]

if it's PLA then you can (industrially) compost it

[quick veldt]

Melt them down and make new filament. Only seems a little difficult.

(Half joke don’t actually try that)

I think machines exist for that but expensive

[teal river]

Ohhh, I didn't consider that...

[teal river]

I'm designing my own :D

[dim knot]

https://www.adafruit.com/free

[waxen thistle]

I have an acrylic "shadow box" where I close it up, and cut a hole in the top. Any failures get deposited into it, not unlike a suggestion box. 🗳️

[odd fox]

Big Thank You to Lady Ada for doing the DigiSearch on 24volt Fans.

[strange mantle]

@teal river https://learn.adafruit.com/diy-3d-printing-filament/overview

[odd fox]

A Lot of GREAT info

[quick veldt]

DigiKey is a legit good website while Arrow is almost unusable

[open girder]

oh wow @odd fox is here !

[odd fox]

Will Keep you updated on what I decide to get.

[teal river]

Haha, figures I got beat to the punch. Less work for me XD thanks

[quick veldt]

Honestly would’ve picked one up if I knew it had midi

Bad on me for dismissing it right away

[waxen thistle]

I need a fan? Go to digikey.

I need a battery powered screwdriver? Go to digikey.

I need cookware to supply a fully automated, circuitpython pizzeria startup? Go to digikey (though I don't think they have cookware, it's worth looking though).

[quick veldt]

Question: How does JP pick product pick of the week

[noble grove]

@waxen thistle Not "failures", lessons.

[brisk pollen]

Watching LadyAda search Digikey each week helped me get some battery holders for a project out of the thousands they have

[waxen thistle]

My life is full of lessons. 🙂

[gilded crescent]

parsec audio is the loudest thing ever

[quick veldt]

Agree

[open girder]

got it, will lower it 🙂

[teal river]

Question: PT, are you the only one who uses the adafruit handle on Discord, Twitter, and other places, or do you share that power?

[waxen thistle]

Lars can see a little bit into the future, and scours the Adafruit store for a product that's in need.

He indicates via a telepathic connection to JP which product needs to be featured to help the most people.

[or it's most likely selected by the Adafruit team, but that's not as much fun, right?]

[teal river]

Ohhhh, Sinclair!

want

Y'all need a Cone of Silence to record in

I was wooooorkiiiing and I miiisssed iiittttt ToT

[upbeat coral]

And I won one. 😅

[quick veldt]

ToT

[waxen thistle]

Congrats!

[teal river]

Name your price!

[quick veldt]

If you want a certain type of cool circuit python thingi with buttons

[dim knot]

http://adabox.com/

[quick veldt]

Sign up

[teal river]

Still waiting shipment for my AdaBox!

[inner spade]

@open girder have you tried a soft-limiter plug-in for the audio? An audio compressor plug-in with soft limiting set with a 1:1 ratio is also an approach that could help.

[open girder]

@teal river (pt here) for twitter, all of us can use tweet who use the account, there are maybe 10 of us who can tweet, but most of it is auto-tweet

for discord here, limor and/or i

[teal river]

Ok, cool, danke :D

[sudden slate]

What do you think about GitHub Copilot?

[frosty belfry]

Buttons or keys?

[quick veldt]

Hmm…good question

[open girder]

@sudden slate not sure, but interested to learn about it and see how it is used

@inner spade hmm, i might email ya if that is OK?

[sudden slate]

Me too

[inner spade]

Absolutely.

[quick veldt]

Question: Do you (LadyAda) think that CircuitPython will turn into a popular keyboard firmware option?

[waxen thistle]

Hmm, I'll need to get a pair of these tweezers.

[teal river]

looks at $12 multimeter with wire on the leads for tiny things

[sudden slate]

Mine's coming tomorrow !

[quick veldt]

Omg you’ll love it

[teal river]

luuuuuuucky

[quick veldt]

Do you know what it is yet

Because I won’t say

[dim knot]

https://jobs.adafruit.com/

[quick veldt]

Lol

[teal river]

It's obviously a space shuttle based on the hints!

[sudden slate]

No

[viral sail]

We are all star stuff. ⭐

[waxen thistle]

The Great Resignation? Nah.

A lot of people are taking the view: Don't stand around. You're the main character. Push the plot forward.

[nova totem]

I remember hitting 2000 on Scott's show

[teal river]

Question: Which is more exciting, CP hitting 2500 thanks, or Discord hitting 30k users?

[sudden slate]

IKR - last time I was almost last

[sudden slate]

Definitely the former

[rapid hornet]

I like great growth

[sudden slate]

IMO

[teal river]

I got mine really late, I subscribed JUST under the wire... I didn't realize AdaBoxes were subscription and that they were gone forever after they shipped and sold out

[waxen thistle]

With great growth comes great responsibilities. (and glorious purpose, if anyone here is a Loki in disguise).

[sudden slate]

LOL - I agree

[quick veldt]

Wait what happened with LadyAda and the podcast lol

[sudden slate]

#loki

[teal river]

Question: Would one or both of you be available and/or willing to interview on a random podcast from a no-name person?

[sudden slate]

Do you mean you LOL

[quick veldt]

Doctor trying to slide into the livestream

[teal river]

||Shhh that's classified||

[sudden slate]

I am in support of Copilot - ||that person who asked was me||

[teal river]

Question: Is there a scenario in which MicroPython and CircuitPython might merge to be one all-encompassing thing, or will they always have different enough scopes to stay separate forever?

[sudden slate]

My licensing is GPL/Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike, depending on what project time frame/project you look at

3.0, not 2.0

[dim knot]

https://learn.adafruit.com/

[quick veldt]

Not that you asked me….but the main reason they’re separate is because CircuitPython is meant to work well with the learning guide system and it has stricter requirements such as native USB support to implement the easier workflows for beginners.

[teal river]

I need to look at that 2FA MacroPad project... would be great for work

[teal river]

I didn't ask you, but I suppose I can accept your answer :P

[quick veldt]

That’s ok I accept your accept.

[sudden slate]

I think they will stay separate for the foreseeable future IMO

[teal river]

I'll accept your acceptance of my acceptance

[turbid hill]

Lol

[verbal river]

Question: What's with the TL07xH opamp (new version of TL07x)? It seems to have all different specs from the old version, not even JFET inputs anymore. Did TI really make a completely different chip and give it the same part number to trick people into switching chips?

[quick veldt]

Hasn’t ask an engineer always had clipping audio

I figured that was part of the experience

[teal river]

Question: Will there be different size MacroPads in the future?

[verbal river]

well it's not Ask An Audio Engineer, is it?

[teal river]

If it were, they'd be ashamed of themselves :P

[quick veldt]

But don’t worry PT it’s not that bad. I just saw the convo in YouTube chat.

[frosty belfry]

@teal river You can kind of do that with the 5x6, right?

[teal river]

Oh yeah, totally! I just meant as a "ready to go" solution that doesn't need soldering, an MCU, etc.

AlliLoki!

[waxen thistle]

We needed an Engineer Loki -- someone who could outscience Tony Stark.

[teal river]

I'm cosplaying a Loki variant who uses Stark-like tech and magic together >:D

[sudden slate]

What happens when the Disney building is done?? Then is it not Made in NYC factory footage??

[spare kiln]

they spy on the offices?

[sudden slate]

That's impossible - Tony Stark forever

[teal river]

It's actually the Disney Adafruit museum, and we'll get a tour when it's finished!

AlliLoki files plz

[sudden slate]

#alliloki

[quick veldt]

Question: With almost no 3D printer companies in the United States, and almost all OSHW 3D printers dead, has Adafruit ever considered making a 3D printer kit to be sold in the shop? For example, an aluminum extrusion design with some sort of custom Adafruit main board. Additionally, why did Adafruit stop selling 3D printers in the shop?

[teal river]

TDK is still around?! And they make sensors?!?!

[quick veldt]

Big question time

[teal river]

Related question: Why doesn't Adafruit have any regular PLA in the shop anymore?

[open girder]

(storing all these questions)

good ones

[quick veldt]

I’m sure Noe and Pedro would love to give input for an Adafruit 3D printer

[sudden slate]

And glorious purpose

[frosty belfry]

Finally someone making sensors for the juggalo and juggalette community

[sudden slate]

I agree - I have had to stoop to the Amazon level LOL

[autumn turret]

MicroCenter?

[sudden slate]

Never thought about them - I'll look

[teal river]

@g3holliday

[open girder]

10% discount code, one hour only! code is: SUPERFUN expires 7/21/2021 @ 10pm EDT #askanengineer & @open girder http://www.adafruit.com

[teal river]

Best toy store, where I get all my filament :D

[teal river]

lol

[autumn turret]

They've got a TONNE of 3d printer stuff. Printers, accessories, filament, etc. Naomi Wu keeps mentioning them when talking about Creality printers

[teal river]

I recommend getting PLA+, it's more consistent than the regular PLA

[sudden slate]

LOL

ROFL - you literally made me laugh

[teal river]

Hehehehe

I hear music, and I can't tell if it's a ringtone or music from outside of the factory

Ohhh, tiny

I remember when TDK was just tapes of various formats

[spare kiln]

so cute

[sudden slate]

No music for me?? but my headphones are awful RN - I've got better ones

[teal river]

It was quiet, in the background

[autumn turret]

Out of curiosity, because it just made me think of it... do the barometric pressor sensors adjust or adapt to pressure changes? Say you put it on an outdoor platform, will it report [relative] altitude changes?

[teal river]

I have hyper-sensitive ears XD

[autumn turret]

Might be some of the factory machinery. It kicks on and off

[teal river]

Preeeettty sure it was actually music, but... maybe

[sudden slate]

Yeah, me too

[autumn turret]

Have you been listening to a bit too much skrillex maybe?

[teal river]

Oww my ears

[teal river]

Retro reference XD

[autumn turret]

😄

[dim knot]

3 x 1U and 2 x 1.25U "Ctrl" Silicone Keycap Molds - MX Compatible Switches https://www.adafruit.com/product/5079

2 x 2.25U, 1 x 2.75U and Space Bar Keycap Mold - MX Compatible Switches https://www.adafruit.com/product/5080

4 x 1U and 1 x 1.5U "Caps Lock" Silicone Keycap Molds - MX Compatible Switches https://www.adafruit.com/product/5078

4 x 1U and 1 x 2U "Esc" Silicone Keycap Molds - MX Compatible Switches https://www.adafruit.com/product/5119

4 x 1U and 1 x 1.25U "Tab" Silicone Keycap Molds - MX Compatible Switches https://www.adafruit.com/product/5077

[autumn turret]

Oooh, nice accessory for a new macro pad!

[quick veldt]

I’m going to make 12 RP2040 keycaps for my RP2040 Macro Pad

[dim knot]

3-Pin Wire Joints (3 Pack) https://www.adafruit.com/product/5098

1N4148 SMT SOD-123 Diodes - 100 Pack https://www.adafruit.com/product/5099

Switch Sockets for Kailh CHOC Compatible Keys - 10 Pack https://www.adafruit.com/product/5118

[sudden slate]

Loki vs Wandavision - which one's better??

[open girder]

both were really good 🙂

[dim knot]

Kailh CHOC Low Profile Red Linear Key Switches - 10-pack https://www.adafruit.com/product/5113

Kailh CHOC Low Profile White Clicky Key Switches - 10 Pack https://www.adafruit.com/product/5114

[sudden slate]

Yeah, I say Loki, but it's close

[waxen thistle]

All the new Marvel TV shows have been very solid.

[quick veldt]

Meh

[waxen thistle]

Falcon & Winter Soldier was also very decent

[quick veldt]

Meh

[teal river]

They're all wonderful

[open girder]

i really liked space jam, and did a review on our blog

https://blog.adafruit.com/2021/07/18/space-jam-a-new-legacy-review/

[quick veldt]

They’re all palatable generic Disney money productions

That’s my opinion

[sudden slate]

Yeah, I agree

[teal river]

One review I saw was "it's literally one big Warner Bros. commercial and it's awful", lol

[quick veldt]

Even Rick and Morty is in space jam

[waxen thistle]

I approach it like this -- a movie is what, 2hr-2hr30min? And most marvel films have many "superheroes" and supporting cast, so even main characters have just minutes of screentime.

For a 6-10 episode TV show, that's...well, ~6-10 hours of character development. It helps build a more robust cinematic universe.

[frosty belfry]

Do those choc switches have a window that works with an LED like the max switches?

Mx

[teal river]

Another review said, of that commercial, "this isn't Rick and Morty selling out, it's Rick and Morty being sold" because apparently it's the only ad where Rick doesn't know he's in an ad

Mmmm super clicks

[dim knot]

Kailh Mechanical Key Switches - Thick Click Jade Box - 10 pack - Cherry MX Compatible https://www.adafruit.com/product/5149

Kailh Mechanical Key Switches - Clicky Navy Blue - 10 pack - Cherry MX Compatible https://www.adafruit.com/product/5150

[quick veldt]

They stocked those

[autumn turret]

Do you want to click in a major key, or minor key?

[sudden slate]

Infidel LOL - no offense

[quick veldt]

I suggested those

[dim knot]

Wi-Fi Add-on Board for Sony SPRESENSE iS110B https://www.adafruit.com/product/5155

[quick veldt]

I suggested those switches

[teal river]

yes

[quick veldt]

Wow so special

[teal river]

Agreed. Shun the non-believer! Shuuuuun!

[dim knot]

Sensor Add-on Board for Sony Spresense EVK-701 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5156

[quick veldt]

Now please stock 12 packs

MacroPad has 12 keys not 10

:(

[spare kiln]

solution: buy 9 more macropads

then buy 12 packs of keys

[frosty belfry]

5 macropads, 6 key packs. No problem.

[dim knot]

64x32 RGB LED Matrix - 2.5mm pitch https://www.adafruit.com/product/5036

[teal river]

lol, or 2 NeoKey 1x4, or 8 breadboard NeoKey breakouts

[sudden slate]

🙂

[quick veldt]

Can we learn more about the hotdog bun problem

[prime sentinel]

That's why the keyswitch vendors sell in lots of 120!

[faint vine]

Is the LED matrix the same density as the 64x64?

[lilac tusk]

I’m really starting to love neopixel matrices

[teal river]

I have a bunch of switches left over from my keyboard :D

[lilac tusk]

Especially after making a few

[spare kiln]

I am really tempted to acquire a reel of neopixels from somewhere

[teal river]

ADAKEY!

[spare kiln]

and make a neopixel project

[teal river]

TO THE STORE

[lilac tusk]

Aliexpress

[dim knot]

Etched Glow-Through Keycap with Open Source Hardware Gear Logo - MX Compatible Switches https://www.adafruit.com/product/5115

[quick veldt]

Nooo they got distracted and now I’ll never know why they stock 10 packs of keys

[spare kiln]

yep, I think I have one in my cart still unless they've expunged it

[lilac tusk]

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/33038232156.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&spm=a2g0n.store_m_home.productList_11717249.0

[viral sail]

I'd buy an Adafruit pint glass. 🍻

[lilac tusk]

That’s the last reel I bought

Need to order another

[dim knot]

Etched Glow-Through Keycap with Open Source Hardware Gear Logo - MX Compatible Switches https://www.adafruit.com/product/5115

[quick veldt]

Silipint please

[ionic garnet]

now I want an Adafruit shot glass

I am also trying to justify that LED matrices

[lilac tusk]

For a shot of electricity

[ionic garnet]

kaching!

[autumn turret]

Pretty sure I've seen a VPN service with a similar logo

[ionic garnet]

nord

[open girder]

there are a lot of logo variants of it now

i have a chart!

[ionic garnet]

those pesky variants are everywhere

[quick veldt]

Request : Adafruit should totally get their logo screen printed on these awesome pint glasses and stock them. https://silipint.com/products/pint-glasses?variant=36293565743253

[autumn turret]

But of course you do! Is it an NFT? *g*

[teal river]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/5068

[quick veldt]

What a weird request but I can shill Silipint all day

(Not affiliated)

[turbid hill]

Let the smoke out of a chip mistake...

[teal river]

Mistakes Were Made! I want that name!

[autumn turret]

Call the segment "Fffzzzttttttt... POOF"

[nova totem]

I like mistakes were made way more then lessons learned

[quick veldt]

Or just “Smells Bad”

[autumn turret]

Misteaks were made

[upbeat coral]

"Whats that smell"

[waxen thistle]

"Success is always less funny than a spectacular failure."

"....well, that's not supposed to happen."

[tulip canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/bobross-art-gif-4621523

[ionic garnet]

in interviews I always ask engineers to describe their biggest mistake

[autumn turret]

"Pobody's Nerfect"

"Well THAT didn't work!"

[teal river]

Hah, TWiT

[ionic garnet]

No Joe Rogan podcast?

[lilac tusk]

A hilarious mistake for me was accidentally running a GND trace through a 5V pin. Couldn’t figure out why I got overcurrent warnings on USB

[halcyon linden]

I've always told my college students that it's okay to make mistakes in class, just don't make the same mistake again.

[ionic garnet]

exactly

[noble grove]

QUESTION: Are there molds with home row bumps?

[teal river]

Both different, both awesome!

[orchid star]

Question (looks like got missed so reposting sorry): What do you recommend for pogo probes? I got some of the pogo clips to try to use with the SWD pins on M0 feather and trinkey, but the clips don't work well on double sided boards. They slide/don't clamp/roll/can't get close to each other.

[spare kiln]

QUESTION: are other people allowed to use the term "stemma qt" for their own projects/products?

[orchid star]

Thanks!

[autumn turret]

On the topic of mistakes earlier, I was looking for this quote, about their value

Recently, I was asked if I was going to fire an employee who made a mistake that cost the company $600,000. No, I replied, I just spent $600,000 training him. Why would I want somebody to hire his experience?
Thomas J. Watson

[teal river]

Only fire evil people!

Bai!

[viral sail]

Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌔

[lilac tusk]

Great show 🙂

[quick veldt]

Super fun!

[upbeat coral]

Thank you for your time.

[valid ledge]

Thank you!

[waxen thistle]

Thanks @open girder for another excellent evening of shows! Hope y'all have a great evening and rest of the week ahead!

[dim knot]

https://www.adafruit.com/trademarks

[autumn turret]

Thank you Adafruit and friends!

[teal river]

Great show!

[quick veldt]

Super great apology

[ionic garnet]

Bye bye

[split gazelle]

thanks for a great evening of shows

[tulip canyon]

Thank you for enabling us!

[teal river]

Adafruit keeps me sane!

[autumn turret]

enabling empowering

[ionic garnet]

my adabox hasn't come. Soon I hope

[teal river]

Same, mine still says "preparing for shipment"

[autumn turret]

UPS tells me tomorrow is Adabox Day! WHEE!!

[ionic garnet]

glad I'm not alone on being adaboxless

[halcyon linden]

Thanks Ladyada and PT for another great show.

I got my Adabox today

[frosty belfry]

My adabox is set to arrive tuesday. The order details in my order history give something away. Not surprised, was hoping it would be that

[vivid ore]

Wow, mine hasn't even shipped yet.

[teal river]

Another in the sad club

[ionic garnet]

See you all next time. Thanks for convincing me to watch Loki (took tons of arm twisting--I think someone said: "Loki" and I was there)

[spare kiln]

||the webpage is already available if you know where to find it as well||

[vivid ore]

I mean I'm yelling at everyone internally, but supply shortages hit hard everywhere...

[teal river]

What was the code again?!

[frosty belfry]

Superfun

[slow spire]

@teal river superfun

[teal river]

danke!

[slow spire]

bitte

[teal river]

Order placed :D

[slow spire]

Just ordered some CHOC keyswitches and some digital tweezers!

[frosty belfry]

Was thinking on the choc. But I have a bunch of mx I haven't used yet, and the choc is more work with the different switch sockets and needing a different pcb. I would love to go down those rabbit holes, but realistically having the sockets and LEDs on ready to go boards and just swapping in switches, keycaps, and writing circuit python is plenty of fun for me at the moment

[slow spire]

Yep

[teal river]

Are chocs louder than MX Blue or Kailh Whites?

[vivid ore]

Speaking of choc, any plans to stock up on choc keycaps?

[slow spire]

@teal river Like the MX line, the CHOC line comes in different feels and clickiness.

[frosty belfry]

Might be dependent on people showing interest in the switches and sockets

[vivid ore]

Idk about click, but the linear should be as loud as they bottom out.

[slow spire]

@vivid ore I'm sure CHOC keycaps are coming. In the meantime, I'll likely print some.

[vivid ore]

If there are some relegendable keycaps, I would totally buy enough to replace the mx sockets for the macropad...

[slow spire]

Found a few designs on Thingiverse, by searching CHOC keycaps there.

[teal river]

I'll try them if there's a clickier key than the Whites XD

[vivid ore]

My 3d printer needs more tweaking, but my soldering station at work is at the ready haha

[slow spire]

@vivid ore Adafruit stocks some relegendable MX keycaps. Alas the CHOC line won't work on the Adafruit Macropad.

But you could make your own macropad PCB for CHOC.

[teal river]

I ordered another pack of relegendables, now it's 10 instead of 5, but same price!

[frosty belfry]

How do the LEDs look when using the relegendables?

[slow spire]

@vivid ore What's going on with your 3D printer?

@frosty belfry https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/product-videos/1200x900/5039-07.mp4

[vivid ore]

Haven't found my microsd adapter yet for calibration prints haha

I'll have to setup octoprit at some point too, but also need the adapter to image the pi

[frosty belfry]

Do you throw them away or something? I have so many because every microsd seems to come with one

[vivid ore]

Nah, they're just stashed in a box somewhere from the last move

Just haven't gotten around to unpacking yet, if it were a technical issue I'd have asked already haha

[frosty belfry]

Moving is the worst. I'd be tempted to find a microsd on sale and buy one instead lol

[gusty wedge]

@smoky island I'm just watching show & tell. But this with epoxy should work great for the inside of the keys. https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Polvo-mica-colores-maquillaje-manualidades/dp/B077B42YB8/

[smoky island]

Nice! thank you for the tip. I will try that out.

[sudden slate]

Today for me 🙂

[autumn turret]

Same now! 😄

[sudden slate]

😸

[vivid ore]

Where's my Adabox-less comfort group when I need it...

[sudden slate]

That was me a few months ago 😿

[vivid ore]

I keep hitting refresh, only to see the dreaded words "Preparing for Shipment"...

[teal river]

The order I placed yesterday had a label made, AdaBox still preparing...

[mellow thunder]

Mine finally shipped! Woooohoooo!!! Can't wait. Been 3D printing key caps & and knobs for a week in anticipation!

[teal river]

I printed 2 keycaps and they suck XD

[robust horizon]

@teal river I had a big pile of fail while working on the design, it is very sensitive to printer and filament variation in the stem. https://cdn-learn.adafruit.com/assets/assets/000/103/332/medium640/projects_PXL_20210703_162245504(1).jpg?1625762343

Maybe try the Ruiz keycap design too, it might be better than this one or just work better for you

https://learn.adafruit.com/macropad-braille-keycaps

[teal river]

I think it's the printer's fault, lol. Probably will try theirs since it's the flat style

[shadow epoch]

[moved to help-with-projects]

oops! meant that for help with projects.

[grand tusk]

410

[haughty quiver]

411

do I hear 412? 412?

[shadow epoch]

420 ... 😉

[shell mason]

404?

[grand tusk]

410 Gone

[shadow epoch]

☕ ⌨️

hey @haughty quiver I'm going to get to use my funhouse in the garage to detect if my 2019 bolt ev has caught fire.. good times...

[haughty quiver]

oh wow, @shadow epoch that sounds rather important!

🔥 🚗

[shadow epoch]

well yeah, GM said 'don't charge at night' and 'park it outside '. the fix they installed honks the horn if it detects a runaway battery... I'm not sure what I'll do if my car just decides to honk it's horn, but I'd like a backup detection ... needs to send me text in case I'm on some part of the property and can't hear it...

I'm hoping they will do a buyback or a trade for me. Love the car otherwise.

[teal river]

Oof, scary

[grand tusk]

Mine goes 'beep beep'.

(funhouse, not car)

Hasn't burst into flames, at least not yet.

[shadow epoch]

seems like an undesirable feature in a car

[grand tusk]

fer sure

[waxen thistle]

Good afternoon Lars, may your stream with JP go well today 🙂

[grand tusk]

Wonder what JP's been working on for today's show.

[shell mason]

Lars workshop

May The lars be with you!

[teal river]

I'm stuck on a call

End meeeee

[waxen thistle]

They're mistaken. They're stuck on a call with you.

[haughty quiver]

hmm apparently I've been working on breaking my broadcast software...

[waxen thistle]

Any success with breaking it?

[haughty quiver]

yes!

[shell mason]

Lars secretly building something

[haughty quiver]

and maybe unbreaking it...

[waxen thistle]

I have a sledgehammer I can volunteer to the cause of percussive maintenance!

[teal river]

You're doomed on that side

[waxen thistle]

....strangely enough, sometimes percussive maintenance actually works.

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/alf-gif-4891670

[waxen thistle]

Live on Twitch!

[inner spade]

Bleeps and bloops on YT!

Mic level is very good; peaks at -6dB

[past nova]

Hello

[teal river]

Still stuuuuuck

[woeful pond]

hello

[past nova]

Got my adabox19, woohoo

[teal river]

Users from the company we contract are the worst

[clever summit]

🇸🇪 👋

[waxen thistle]

Does it work for work/psychological pressure? Then I'm somewhere in the range of.....2,000? 😛

[raven hawk]

Hey what’s up guys

[waxen thistle]

https://www.adabox.com

[ivory flax]

howdy

[shell mason]

[clever summit]

Please add Sweden to Adabox!

[teal river]

Still waiting...

[shell mason]

when EU added back

[waxen thistle]

Mine is preparing for shipment, and I'm patient 🙂

[empty swallow]

Hey JP

[teal river]

Mine too, I don't want to be patient DX

[empty swallow]

And everyone else ^^

[waxen thistle]

https://jobs.adafruit.com

[viral sail]

Good afternoon everyone.

[waxen thistle]

No scam postings there from the IRS threaten to cancel my SSN because a car was found on the border of Texas and Mexico registered to my name? 😛

[grand tusk]

Just noticed the missing eyebrow lol.

[torn marsh]

Hello everyone

[waxen thistle]

It's one of those images where the more you look, the more you realize is horribly, horribly wrong 🙂

[empty swallow]

hi!

[grand tusk]

Never heard anyone say, "I'm a great finger-drummer."

[waxen thistle]

.......that's an awesome shop!

[empty swallow]

tt's been a while since I've caught one of your streams

[clever summit]

I need to add some stuff to my Digikey order to get free freight. And Adafruit related products I should add?

[teal river]

I'M FREEEEEEE

Not sure if I wanna know what's in the AdaBox ahead of time or not...

[waxen thistle]

Not adafruit, but very handy items:

PCB Probes https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/botron-company-inc/B09622/9866628

Sparkfun Big Red Project Box https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/sparkfun-electronics/PRT-11366/7393713

3M Squeege https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/3m/PA1-B/7670190

Nordic Power Profiler https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/nordic-semiconductor-asa/NRF-PPK2/13557476?s=N4IgTCBcDaIIwBYCcAGAtAOQEoDE0AV8BpMNEAXQF8g

The 3M squeegee was on Eye on NPI, as well as the PowerProfiler from Nordic.

And oh, this too!

Ideal-tek Wire Strippers for fine wire

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/WS3620.ITU/2014-WS3620.ITU-ND/13170711?utm_medium=email&utm_source=oce&utm_campaign=3480_OCE20RT&utm_content=productdetail_US&utm_cid=1513461&so=66893910&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT1RRd05EWTNaamxrTmpoaCIsInQiOiJUUVB6N1dWMUUyeGVSTTMzXC9VM3U4dEJjRFwvYUN3c3R0VElWaTBtY0wyOWtNYWxaaHd5VU1lazk2bzZTcCtxVGdRVHRuUVFMYnlyMlpjWCsrVXNtVVdIYTNYTjR3ZWNPa3JQWXBLYldqM2xXdmNETFdETEtVOWN0MHdUMHRYZkxIIn0%3D

[empty swallow]

What key cap set is that, I love the look of it

[waxen thistle]

https://kbdfans.com/products/maxkey-sa-ocean-keycaps-set?_pos=1&_sid=150fbdfee&_ss=r

[empty swallow]

ofc it's kbdfans haha

(i say in the most positive way(

[clever summit]

I have no idea what the Botrons PCB probe is used for. 🙂

[teal river]

Why do some MX switches have a square around the +, some have [ ] around the +, and some are just +?

[waxen thistle]

Good question. I hope it's not regarding Regular Expressions...

[teal river]

lol

[grand tusk]

"Mistakes were made"

[waxen thistle]

"And lessons were learned"

[teal river]

Seems that all Kailh are square around +, Gateron is just +, and Redragon is [+]

[empty swallow]

Regular Cherry MX (like from Cherry) are just +

[woeful pond]

yes, its called pattern i believe

[vivid ore]

Not all Kailh are square around, you're thinking the boxx line in particular.

Kailh does standard Cherry MX clones without extra outer support.

[teal river]

I guess Gateron just matches Cherry on that

[teal river]

Ahhh... guess Adafruit just has boxx

[vivid ore]

Nobody uses them though.

[waxen thistle]

I need to get one of these:

https://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-72-switches-tester-all-in-one?_pos=3&_sid=43d16761a&_ss=r

[teal river]

Can you get alternate plungers instead of cutting/breaking the box around the +?

[vivid ore]

Yeah, the Boxx line is generally heralded as better than most cherry MX clones

[teal river]

I do like the Boxx Whites I got

but I have Gateron Blues in most of my keyboard

[shell mason]

so cool

[empty swallow]

I have Cherry RGB Blues

[teal river]

Minecraft best game

[waxen thistle]

That's a candy dish for keyboarders.

[teal river]

RGB Blues?

[empty swallow]

regular blues have black shells

[teal river]

So do they glow better?

[empty swallow]

the RGB ones are translucent

[teal river]

I love how JP just lays his laptop funny instead of having screen capture XD

[teal river]

Ah, they look grey XD

[spare kiln]

need

[teal river]

I thought that was the laptop fan XD

[empty swallow]

did you do the /say command? cause you don't need to! just typing it without any command is just going to do /say automatically

[teal river]

You need to press T to Talk, then type

[empty swallow]

i mean, that's fair, yes

[teal river]

But yeah, /say is only needed in the server console

[waxen thistle]

But did you register for the proper permits for open air mining? Is there an environmental remediation plan in place?

[teal river]

JP, how do you control typing speeds? My MiniMacroPad takes several seconds to type a sentence

[grand tusk]

can't touch this

[teal river]

Mine is too slow XD yours seems instant

[grand tusk]

Are you sending one character at a time?

[teal river]

Mine isn't doing anything other than typing when a key is pressed

[vivid ore]

OS and USB port?

I thought someone said some OS wasn't able to type as fast

[quick veldt]

I am also wondering why this sentence input is instant

[teal river]

No, it's keyboard_layout.write(sting)

[teal river]

Windows, USB 2 and 3 ports

[quick veldt]

Can you test on absolute latest CP

[teal river]

Windows 10 to be specific

[quick veldt]

I have not tried that

[teal river]

I could in a bit, was on 7 alpha 4

[empty swallow]

It's not volume, it's the block location

tildes just mean relative to your current location

you can do like ~-1 for one block in the negative direction, annoyingly Minecraft does xyz as left, up, forward

So it plays the sound at your current location

You'd have to use tildes for relative direction, if you just use numbers it's at a specific block in the world

[teal river]

I'm guessing the speed thing is because you're different library

[empty swallow]

been playing for like, nearly 10 years

[woeful pond]

Adabox Hint??

[teal river]

I've been playing since it came around

[waxen thistle]

Thanks @haughty quiver for another excellent Lars JP's Workshop!

[teal river]

I remember when dirt was new

I really hope I have mine by the unboxing!

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver

[teal river]

Bai JP!

All the things playing at once XD

lol

[haughty quiver]

I'm just over here hittin random buttons

[grand tusk]

Thanks!

[teal river]

ha

[woeful pond]

Thank you @haughty quiver again for yet another great show.

[empty swallow]

Jealous for y'all who can get adaboxes

Cya jp

[dry marten]

Thanks @haughty quiver

[inner spade]

Thanks @haughty quiver !

[haughty quiver]

thank you all!

[teal river]

https://tenor.com/view/misha-misha-necron-anos-voldigoad-the-misfit-of-demon-king-academy-headpat-pat-gif-18243417

[quick veldt]

If you want to know what it is just go to ||https://www.adafruit.com/adabox019||

[teal river]

dare I

[woeful pond]

@quick veldt Thaaannkkkkss!

[raven hawk]

I just don’t like the ada boxes right now I am gonna get a huge arduino kit like 100 pc arduino kit and play with that

They need a big giant Ada box

[teal river]

Yearly AdaMegaBox that's like $300 and is one huge project

[lilac tusk]

That takes you a whole year

[teal river]

Lol

If it takes a normal person's schedule a year to do, it'll take me a few decades...

[noble grove]

Can anybody tell me how to change the character to scan-code translation for Dvorak?

[rapid hornet]

notes doc is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i9QXNebWcNgOXU4gh6d2AOpMYlMYMXguHDvOkr0eH3k/edit?usp=sharing

[timid plover]

deep dive doesn't show up in the twitch.tv schedule
https://www.twitch.tv/adafruit/schedule

[teal river]

Early :O

Hi!

Chillin' like a villain

Blink blonks!

I'm only here for a bit, dinner plans...

[sly radish]

Hello All ... Feels like Friday now
Look forward to the "ear worm| of the week.

[brazen quail]

Hola from Florida ! :-D

[teal river]

Konichiwa!

[lilac tusk]

oh that's pretty cool

[teal river]

I just don't update things :P

[sly radish]

much ❤️ to whomever is doing the Time Stamping

[teal river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cleaning-gif-14008081

^housekeeping

[simple fractal]

So I’m watching while at my laptop.

cube of 3030 extrusion will be an eventual corexy printer

[teal river]

Watching on my desktop (working on my resume on the other half of the screen, can't show that, lol)

[simple fractal]

i do remember at my second job. so super smart guy in the application area printed his resume on the main printer. Being in the systems area my friend decided to pull it off the print queue and re queue it endlessly. Small things for small minds.

Printer room was a floor down.

Nice glowey keyboard

[teal river]

Custom, with the key switches I want where I want them :D

[smoky island]

I don't have experience with it specifically, but my guess is that the bluetooth libraries may be using the RGB led as status output.

[simple fractal]

I may have ordered another keyboard. i have an addiction. stop me

keyboardio

[upper sandal]

he said "stop", not "enable me" !

[teal river]

fancy

[simple fractal]

i am enabled

i know jesse vincent from perl days

[sly radish]

Now I wanna see the build video ;-P

[simple fractal]

i actually did a lot of work with RT (an early ticket system) from him. At least it think it was his

now i can't write a single line of perl

[teal river]

I bought this keyboard like 2 weeks after my last one, lol

[timid plover]

I write long Perl lines regularly to assist my command line productivity

[simple fractal]

one never has enough keyboads

[teal river]

I wonder if I'd be able to do COBOL and Fortran anymore...

[simple fractal]

i did write one giant fortran program in Uni, long time ago. Only because McGill had the super optimizing fortran compiler and we thought it would be faster.

[teal river]

If Native CP on the Pi was a thing, would we get real multi-core support? And would that gain multi-core support on the Pico?

[simple fractal]

on punch cards. its a special moment when your program is more than one box. and you have to stand at the reader and feed it all

[smoky island]

I am working on some of the blocking changes in libraries that #4940 is waiting on.

[teal river]

I was learning COBOL and Fortran specifically to try to get high-paying jobs working in those XD

[simple fractal]

seems like Java was at one time the high paying gig

[teal river]

Yeah

COBOL and Fortran jobs still pay well because hardly anyone knows them anymore

And businesses still use them

But too much pressure for me...

[simple fractal]

wow, seems like Go is at the top. Probably all google people

[teal river]

lol

[brazen grove]

that's because you really have to pay people to program in Go

[teal river]

I'd imagine the regular Pi's single CPU cores are waaaaay faster than even the 2 Pico cores

[wind spoke]

Did anybody check the "blink 4 LED on the MagTag"? It may only blink one, or four depending on what code blink it.

[brazen grove]

pi also has l1 and l2 caches and such

[teal river]

mmm cache

[left pier]

Only 15 minutes late this week ...

[simple fractal]

ok, trying to do a pull from main, get the issue with ports/raspberrypi/sdk/lib/tinyusb has moved to some new point in time. whats the best way to get it all straight

[teal river]

Having two MCUs talking probably is easier than getting 2 cores running XD

[simple fractal]

did that

[brazen grove]

exchanging messages over a serial channel is easier than shared memory

[simple fractal]

then i get into this state (lots of similar error)
error: submodule git dir '/home/bsegal/Projects/circuitpython/.git/modules/ports/raspberrypi/sdk/modules/tinyusb/modules/hw/mcu/nxp/lpcopen' is inside git dir '/home/bsegal/Projects/circuitpython/.git/modules/ports/raspberrypi/sdk/modules/tinyusb/modules/hw/mcu/nxp'

[brazen grove]

that's how js does multiprocessing in the browser too

[teal river]

mmm serial

I wonder if you could run an instance of CP on each core of the Pico, and then have virtual serial between them...

[timid plover]

what's the {{ syntax }} in default_power_of_two - template?

[simple fractal]

i'll muddle through. usually involves manually deleting folders

all good. back to blinky

[upper sandal]

the thing is 2 cores still have to share a lot of stuff, it's not like fully separate processors

[brazen grove]

git reset --hard sometimes helps for me

[timid plover]

jinja thanks!

[brazen grove]

(it will delete all changes)

[wind spoke]

I confirm with the latest 7.0.0, to upgrade the MagTag all LED blink, but for boot error, only the rightmost blink. Should I open an issue?

[simple fractal]

i have a script that does that. does a reset all the way down and re-updates. doesn't seem to work in this case. will try.

#! /bin/sh

git reset --hard
git submodule foreach --recursive 'git reset HEAD . || :'
git submodule foreach --recursive 'git checkout -- . || :'
git submodule update --init --recursive
git clean -d -f -f -x
git submodule foreach --recursive git clean -d -f -f -x

something like that

i actually its because folders have been deleted and git wont delete them. because git.

[teal river]

Ah, yeah... Might be easier tho? Just split resources in half, so they can't step on each other's feet

[upper sandal]

not but there's stuff like interrupts and pins, they have to know if they are already in use for example

[left pier]

I frequently rm -rf git-folder and then gh repo clone myrepo 😉

[brazen grove]

@left pier nuke it from the orbit, that's the only way to be sure

[upper sandal]

I have done rm -rf * followed by git checkout . inside a submodule once to fix that kind of issue

[brazen grove]

@upper sandal that will not delete the dot files

[upper sandal]

well you want to keep the .git files 😉

[brazen grove]

also, NEVER do rm -rf .*, because .. matches that...

[upper sandal]

I think the issue was something like deleted folders that git was confused about, so that did it

[wind spoke]

Too late, I created the issue.

[timid plover]

start with the easiest issue to fix first \

[sly radish]

How you feeling @these .... low hanging fruit ... or harder item?

[teal river]

Start with what you're in XD

Personally I try to do the hardest things first to get them out of the way

[wind spoke]

Usually you introduce bugs, now you are fixing them?

[sly radish]

Then bang it out ... and enjoy ;-P

[lilac tusk]

in terms of microcontroller support, do you think we're coming to the point where the SAMD21 is just too small to be productive for future CircuitPython releases?

[upper sandal]

I have had issues where the code would do a MemoryError on samd21 in 7 but not in 6, I haven't looked again recently

[simple fractal]

so something like this fixed things. magic
rm -rf /home/bsegal/Projects/circuitpython/.git/modules/ports/raspberrypi/sdk/modules/tinyusb/modules/hw/mcu/nxp

then the usual git submodule update --init while in the lib/tinyusb folder.

I did really enjoy listening to Jimmo last week, thanks again for htat

[upper sandal]

I would like to see some practical metrics on RAM usage in 6 versus 7, or depending on optimisation options

[teal river]

Gotta go, ttyl peeps!

[brazen grove]

memory tracking is hard, sometimes a small change can cascade due to fragmentation

[teal river]

Have fun and good luck!

[simple fractal]

Thanks @teal river

[wind spoke]

The nice thing about working in an open hardware company is that you don't need to go to internal documentation... everything is out there.

[timid plover]

climbing - outside or club?

[simple fractal]

Quite nice here in Whistler today. No fires here. All in the interior. Still pretty bad there

[wind spoke]

Bootloader of MagTag blink 4 orange LED when you upload firmware. But Bootloader of CPB does not do that. Where is the difference?

[left pier]

Another good example is the FeatherS2 which has two definitions because the pins changed from pre-production to production versions.

[wind spoke]

We don't see your code.

[cinder wind]

Hi Scott! Is there a description of the different board revisions? I have a Circuit Playground Bluefruit Rev D and I'm not seeing anything here: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-Circuit-Playground-Bluefruit-PCB

[left pier]

Wait was that fly fishing I saw ...

[cinder wind]

okay cool no problem, just wondering if my (now old) CP Bluefruit is excluded from new fun work you're doing

[wind spoke]

Limor only publish one revision as part of the OpenHardware, the page is not updated with every revision.

[upper sandal]

there's multitwitch 😉

[wind spoke]

Mine has a (D) revision number.

[upper sandal]

I have a (D) too

[wind spoke]

Those are the best!

[timid plover]

earlier you wrote pin 7? but now the code you looked at had pin 6 ( maybe I'm just confused )

[wind spoke]

I can imagine a problem with new revision of a MagTag where all the viewer of this stream do not notice, because we all ordered during the stream the same revision...

[timid plover]

time for git blame 🙂

oh - that makes sense -you were looking at neopixel before

[simple fractal]

lol, i used to say that all the time "who wrote this code!!!' 'You' 'Me?'

pre-git. source code was managed in folders. like proper code should be

[timid plover]

nice to see the git blame gui on github - thanks for the demo

[cinder wind]

I think he meant "to provide confusion"

[timid plover]

yes

could you look at the schematic in Eagle?

you found a better way - look at the board file 🙂

[cinder wind]

yep, it's P0.06

[cinder wind]

"Announcing CircuitPython 8.0: now actually Javascript!"

[left pier]

Ouch

[cinder wind]

I was going to ask about if that NEOPIXEL_COUNT variable should have a default of 1

[upper sandal]

no, STM is a pain to update

I rest my case 😬

[simple fractal]

lol

my bench supply needs an update. STM part so DFU it is.

yes, i always seem to end up with jtag

[timid plover]

question about /dev/serial/by-id - what if there are two identical boards from Adafruit connect - how can you tell which one is which?

[upper sandal]

I'm gonna plug discotool there by the way 😉

[cinder wind]

discotool is the bomb

python3 -m pip install discotool-for-microcontrollers

[upper sandal]

pip3 install discotool-for-microcontrollers

[cinder wind]

(it was in my cutbuffer already)

[upper sandal]

haha

[left pier]

https://pypi.org/project/discotool-for-microcontrollers/

[upper sandal]

see I accept PRs for the linux and windows version

[timid plover]

that discotol is cool

[upper sandal]

(it's completely borked on windows right now)

[left pier]

OK that is pretty cool

Way to go @upper sandal !

[upper sandal]

it has commands to connect to a serial by board name, drive name, serial number... (though you need to add an environment variable to use tio instead of screen)

[cinder wind]

tio is also the bomb. totally made dealing with serial devices easier

[left pier]

And you can use it to run Circup

[timid plover]

what notes would you write to yourself to remember this on monday?

( watch the video ? )

[cinder wind]

circup is also ... wait for it... the bomb

[wary meadow]

screenshot the livestream right now? 😉

[left pier]

[Alexa|Siri] Remind me to {thing} on Monday.

[upper sandal]

circup is so nice

[timid plover]

ah - so a fresh start on monday/tuesday 🙂

[simple fractal]

yay for circup. i was aware but never used it.

hmm, i liked to get something done at the end of the day. so i would go home happy

[left pier]

New Goal: Don't finish things. ✅

I'm all ears !

[simple fractal]

i may be in seattle to visit. once the border opens both ways 🙂

my friend has a place there i can borrow.

[left pier]

I may be going skiing near you next winter 😉

[cinder wind]

yep, no indoors for me too

[simple fractal]

send me a message when you are up. we can do a run or two. 🙂 if you are in whistler.

thanks again scott. good stuff today as usual.

[left pier]

Thanks Scott! Always enjoyable and I always learn something!

slap some stars on Discotools ppl
https://github.com/Neradoc/discotool

[simple fractal]

done

[upper sandal]

and open issues and PRs, it will make me stress in a good way 😛

[sly radish]

@rapid hornet THANKS! Have a Great Weekend!

[cinder wind]

thanks Scott!

[upper sandal]

thanks for the show 👋

[rapid hornet]

thanks all!

[timid plover]

have fun climbing!

[rapid hornet]

thank you 🧗

[grand tusk]

Hard to watch deep dive in reruns. I want to comment!

[smoky island]

I will be streaming some work on CircuitPython libraries this morning. Hang out here in the chat and join me on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwQq2TgcswQ or Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch

[grand tusk]

Hello. Audio good on YouTube. Driving tractors today.

[manic vessel]

Afternoon all

Catching AttributeError works. At least on my PyPortal.

If you put any temp files in a directory called build/ most .gitignore files on CircuitPython libraries will ignore it.

Ready to pull, test and review

Width on Text can be a nightmare. Try looking at the Android source code. 😜

[smoky island]

https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_CLUE/pull/48

[clever summit]

🇸🇪 👋

[grand tusk]

Alas, I don't have a CLUE.

[wind spoke]

Does your code from yesterday work? I tryed on CPB and it failed on me: #circuitpython-dev message

Those name were OK

But no event on clicking.

Alpha 5 latest.

Could be me.

[manic vessel]

Review left on DisplayIO_Layout

PyPI upload has finished. Waiting for github...

[upper sandal]

circup relies on the latest releases of the bundles as published on github

circup update

and --all to force yes

[manic vessel]

Github finished

[wind spoke]

Does it make an array of bolean?

[TRUE,FALSE, ... , FALSE]

Ok

You reversed the print and if

How do you make a version that work with both...

You may need to import and if it fail use the other one?

You want something that work with 6.3 and 7.0 ?

So you have to delay your change until 7.0 is available.

In the core of 7.0 so people 6.3 will not be able to use anymore.

I live on the edge... it's ok for me. 🙂

Gizmo on CPB?

Can you verify if you have a boot_out.txt with a very recent 7.0.0 alpha5?

Do you have the 10 blinking or 1 blinking?

RGB I mean.

Or is it the single LED blinking.

RED/GREEN that is for the upgrade.

So it is the bootloader.

Yes

I

Ok like me.

I tried pull=False

code.py output:
0 was pressed
0 was released
1 was pressed
1 was released

I was able to get that once... only once, then button became unresponsive.

code.py output:
<Event: key_number 1 pressed>
<Event: key_number 1 released>
<Event: key_number 0 pressed>
<Event: key_number 0 released>

With `

keys = keypad.Keys((board.BUTTON_A, board.BUTTON_B), value_when_pressed=False, pull=False)`

But not reliable...

Need to check the schematics... or the code of the CircuitPlaygound library.

Works for me with your code !!!

Wonder if we can add the switch.

Switch from the CPB.

Ok keys = keypad.Keys((board.BUTTON_A, board.BUTTON_B, board.SLIDE_SWITCH), value_when_pressed=True, pull=True) does not work for the SLIDE_SWITCH...

Does the Circuit Playground library use gamepad?

Or not at all, and then we don't need to worry.

I don't have the PyBadger, but the PyGamer. That one has the "analogue joystic" in place of the UDLR.

Not sure what it use (gamepad or not).

Ok, how do you do group "untab" in Mu?

No move left and right the code... all in one.

This will save me a lot of typing...

[upper sandal]

*[ thing ] == thing

I should say call(*[thing]) == call(thing)

and call(*[ thing1, thing2 ]) == call(thing1, thing2)

so what you wanted is *button_values to unpack the elements of button_values

or possibly *button_values[:2]

[wind spoke]

Sorry, disconnecting, that was great, but I see that Neradoc is taking over. 🙂

Comma is ignored if there is no extra element. (From what I understand) It permit to make a list were every element is one one line and something , even for the last line.

[manic vessel]

Does keypad need to use a Debouncer? I thought Dan was going to implement it internally.

[upper sandal]

I believe keypad debounces

[wind spoke]

Yeah!!!

[wind spoke]

What is that?

Ok

From memory, he has his own library for the button and graphics...

Are you sure he use the gamepad?

Ok

Image...

[grand tusk]

updating metro-esp32s2 to alpha5

[manic vessel]

Is it installed in pip?

pip list | grep miniqr

I can't remember how kattni fixed it.

Do you have the latest stubs installed?

pip install circuitpython-stubs --pre --upgrade

In that keys stub, change the line to
self.key_count = 123

[modern night]

No reason not to give it a shot, and if it doesn't work, maybe it's time to walk away from the error until later when you've got a fresh and relaxed mind?

wait (I came in late and have been in and out) wasn't this the error Kattni was dealing with earlier, and isn't it exclusively because sphinx is being overly aggressive?

Maybe you've already addressed that

ahh ok. and huh. Fingers crossed but hey! why not!

[manic vessel]

add keypad to autodoc_mock_imports in docs/conf.py

Ah well

Loose typing is like playing hot potato with a thermo-nuclear device

[modern night]

Consistent failure is better than inconsistent success every time

[manic vessel]

Have a great weekend everybody

[modern night]

If there's a fork that removes it to break a bunch of code, how would you see the scope of what examples broke, is it a part of the build system?

[wind spoke]

Bye.

[grand tusk]

Thanks!

[modern night]

Thanks! This was great!

[smoky island]

Thanks all, hope everyone has a great weekend!

[echo canopy]

Is there a Show this evening?

[lilac tusk]

Yeah as far as I can tell. It happens anywhere between 8pm and 10pm EST

[teal river]

There is?

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Random hacker times
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/Scott - 5pm ET Fridays

[lilac tusk]

Last week was just a prerecorded great search and this week I thought I was supposed to be back

[teal river]

Usually The Great Search is part of Ask an Engineer, isn't it?

[lilac tusk]

yeah

[autumn turret]

They cover what was on the Great Search during Ask an Engineer, but the "live" version is Sunday nights

Unless you're thinking of "Eye on NPI"?

[teal river]

I didn't realize they did those independently XD

[lilac tusk]

Desk of Ladyada + The Great Search is usually Sunday evenings

last week there wasn't a DoLA so they just did a pre-recorded "The Great Search"

[teal river]

Ah

Adafruit :O

[open girder]

hi ya'll, desk of ladyada will be tonight, running late, for good reasons, was hanging out with helen from crowd supply on her visit to NYC

[teal river]

Hanging out with peeps is a fair reason for lateness

Gives me time to finish this video anyway XD

[open girder]

last week we just did great search since we were running behind, but this week full show coming up

@teal river hanging out with peeps is prolly the best reason 🙂

[teal river]

I miss peeps

[open girder]

helen was the first visitor in over 18 months

[lilac tusk]

oh that's really awesome 🙂

[open girder]

and the bad news is, with delta, maybe visits will not happen again for a bit

we'll see, but glad we could do this. we wore masks inside and then ate outside

[lilac tusk]

yeah, delta is changing a lot of what we thought we knew with COVID

[open girder]

yerp, ain't going good in many areas

[teal river]

Delta is scary... making me delay plans to meet peeps again. Only had one hangout, but thankfully that was a long, fun one with fully vaxxed friends who had been isolating still too

[sudden slate]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-of-shame-shame-shameful-head-down-gif-16299271

[teal river]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-drink-alone-why-me-but-why-gif-19803312

[lilac tusk]

I saw family for about a week about a week ago. but it'll be a while before I see them again

[sudden slate]

😦

[fallow fractal]

NY Times said it's lack of vaccine uptake, not Delta, at issue.

[teal river]

Delta will probably make it worse...

[fallow fractal]

John Cleese said that 40 percent of the audience at professional wrestling matches think it's real.

He said if you can't see it with your own eyes, what in the world could anyone say to convince you otherwise.

(then just apply that analogy to these other situations, and there you go)

[sudden slate]

I agree

[lilac tusk]

well, and then you deal with the topic that J&J isn't as effective against Delta or Lambda as Moderna & Pfizer

[teal river]

How much less effective? I hadn't heard any data on anything other than Pfizer

[lilac tusk]

i'd prefer J&J because i have vaccine sensitivity and i'm trying to avoid a bad reaction.

[fallow fractal]

He also said pro wrestlers are wonderful athletes but terrible actors. ;)

[sudden slate]

They gonna go through the whole Greek alphabet?? ROFL

[lilac tusk]

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/delta-coronavirus-variant-now-dominant-in-washington-new-study-questions-jj-vaccine-efficacy-against-strain/

[teal river]

We'll need another alphabet at the rate things are going

[sudden slate]

LOL

[teal river]

Is anyone researching multiple vaccines together? Since we have mRNA vaccines now, they can pretty easily churn out new ones to cover those who are up for getting vaccines...

[lilac tusk]

it's not peer reviewed yet but the possibility of needing a second shot sort of defeats the purpose of getting just one shot 😛

[sudden slate]

& a third shot

[teal river]

I can't recall the source, but I think I saw one report that the Pfizer vaccine was more effective against Delta than the original strain

[fallow fractal]

I only listen to Michael Osterholm @CIDRAP and nobody else. ;)

[teal river]

They weren't sure to begin with if we'd be 2 and done or need boosters -- wouldn't surprise me if we do, it's a mixed bag from what I've heard whether immunity lasts for coronavirus vaccines or not

[frosty belfry]

@teal river I don't know of any studies, but I read an article about some doctors getting a shot of a different type to try to enhance their own coverage (i.e., if you already got Pfizer, add a Moderna shot or vice versa). Theoretically might marginally improve effectiveness. But no data.

[teal river]

[coronaviruses as in the category, not COVID-19]

[open girder]

okee starting up the show, a good distraction for our ultimate doom 🙂

[fallow fractal]

< cue music >

[teal river]

On page, waiting for bleep bloops

[waxen thistle]

Good evening all you wonderful folks!

[teal river]

Hewwo

[waxen thistle]

stream is live on twitch

[lilac tusk]

😄

[sudden slate]

Howdy

[lilac tusk]

it's a good distraction

[open girder]

Desk of Ladyada - Hot Summer Sunday Stemmas! https://youtu.be/6SCGWb46x7E

[teal river]

Bleep bloops!

[lilac tusk]

I must say, I'm really thankful for all the different boards Adafruit makes.

[teal river]

Meow meow I am melting

[lilac tusk]

In making my PixelWing RGB matrix i modeled the pins off the Metro ESP32-S2 so it made it super fast for validating the design 🙂

[sudden slate]

BTW, the Adabox was EPIC! Thanks @open girder

[teal river]

Mine is still prepping to ship DX

[frosty belfry]

There may be a worldwide parts issue but my issue is I keep ordering more from adafruit and have a growing backlog of cool toys to play with

[waxen thistle]

If it's not for you, hand it off to someone who might enjoy it 🙂 Spread the happiness, we need as much of that as we can get...

[teal river]

Nooooo don't kill the kittens!

[open girder]

"Hot girl summer is a meme, originating with rapper Megan Thee Stallion, about feeling confident in who you are—and having fun and looking good while doing it. It often involves women posting selfies with summery swag and style using the caption (I heard it's) hot girl summer." - https://megantheestallion.com/

[frosty belfry]

My adabox is expected Tuesday

[teal river]

I am unfamiliar with this meme

Hot Nonbinary Summer?

[waxen thistle]

samd51...ah the days when they were available...

[teal river]

I got a couple of the QT Py SAMD21 to try using as MiniMacroPads instead of my QT Py RP2040... but they don't have enough RAM to load the libraries DX

[spare kiln]

who needs RAM anyway

128 bytes was more than enough for my current project

[lilac tusk]

yeah, i'm about to order more ESP32-S2 WROVER right now

lol

[teal river]

All the libraries I need for the USB HID and keyboard and seesaw

Re-port, not report!

[waxen thistle]

Adafruit ships things, but ships moor in ports.

[open girder]

🙂

hah, that's good @waxen thistle

[spare kiln]

bad captions. "adafruit porks things"

[teal river]

Mmmm, pork...

Imagine if Adafruit just put pigs on everything

[lilac tusk]

i was hesitant to use the ESP32-S2 WROVER but after this one.. i'm sold

[teal river]

aaaand my computer just crashed out of the blue...

[lilac tusk]

I've got a variant of my RGB matrix board that will use the RP2040 as well which will be fun if I can get it to work

fingers crossed

[nova totem]

Why were you hesitant? In my slow project of learning more hardware design it looked pretty cool to me, but I love wifi on things

[lilac tusk]

need to use my 500 RP2040 🙂

[spare kiln]

I want a (partial?) reel of rp2040 😦

[lilac tusk]

I like to do things the hard way

lol

[teal river]

Sell to meeeeee

[open girder]

https://twitter.com/cibomahto/status/1417019449140563969

Matt Mets (@cibomahto)

Looks like @EspressifSystem is launching a ZigBee ESP: the ESP32H2. Based on the git commits, it appears to be a 96MHz RISC-V core with an 802.15.4/Zigbee radio, BLE, no WiFi (!), and with 40/45 GPIO. Commit log here: https://t.co/e5rFMZbYov

Twitter · Jul 19, 2021, 7:12 AM

[lilac tusk]

I have a smol board with a bare ESP32-S2 chip with integrated FLASH

but i haven't got it to work quite yet

ohhh pretty

[teal river]

You're not lazy, you're just busy with too many other things XD

[lilac tusk]

I placed 450 neopixel friday

[waxen thistle]

Work smarter, not harder. Use the tools you have access to so your life is easier and more productive. Also, nothing wrong with being tactically lazy 😉

[lilac tusk]

total of 500 this last week

all tweezed

lol

[teal river]

I have a strip of 300 NeoPixels XD

[spare kiln]

I hand-placed 1100 0805 LEDs in a day before

but I was using a vacuum pickup tool

[lilac tusk]

i need to sell about... 1000 of these boards to get a pick and place

[teal river]

I wish I could build boards as a job

[nova totem]

the idea of doing 500 gives me the willies

[teal river]

Insufficient water to make silicon chips

[spare kiln]

@lilac tusk have you seen the Index PnP project? Not ready for actual use yet but https://github.com/index-machines/index

[lilac tusk]

YEah, I have followed it for a bit

it's pretty exciting

[teal river]

@spare kilnDo you want to outsource some of your board fabrication? XD

[waxen thistle]

Hmmm. Jelly beans.

[teal river]

I heard "jellybean part" and figured that meant it's all over/common

[nova totem]

remember: do not eat your parts

[spare kiln]

aw 😦

[teal river]

Too late

[waxen thistle]

jelly bean == ubiquitous 🙂

[spare kiln]

I love how clever that level shifting solution is

[teal river]

Are NeoPixel rings level shifted?

[spare kiln]

sorry, I bought 100 of those recently. that's probably my fault 😦

[oblique jay]

What it do, AdaCrew!! 😁 my question 🙋‍♂️ is something I’ve asked around and looked online for but haven’t found the answer yet, was suggested to go right to the source 😁 I live in San Diego and there are lots of pretty scenes that I want to share snaps of Adabot and me going on fun adventures as I build my project and post them to the discord, but I struggled when writing the captions because I realized I don’t know AdaBot’s gender 🙃 does adabot have a gender or are they a bot / nongendered? Wouldn’t want to spoil the fun by not being inclusive 🙃 thanks! Keep rocking it 🙂

[teal river]

How dare! Stealing from the mouth of Adafruit!

[teal river]

Wrong show to ask questions :P

[open girder]

hi hi @oblique jay ADABOT is a robot, no gender, thanks for askin of course!

[oblique jay]

Rats I’m tired ur totally right haha

[ashen dove]

Strangely, I'm just today using the BSS138 from Adafruit today to migrate my HVAC controller to RF95 feather. I have to level shift an AM2315.

[oblique jay]

Sweet thanks 🙂🙂 always love you guys corporate responsibility and inclusiveness!

[lilac tusk]

went to look for a p-channel mosfet

[teal river]

That should be on a T-shirt with the Adafruit logo and something broken

[open girder]

thanks, we try

[lilac tusk]

noneeeee

[open girder]

technically if i wore an adafruit shirt, then it would have something broken 🙂

[lilac tusk]

thought i had some DMG3415 and nopeeee

[ashen dove]

I do have a question about it. Since there are pull up resistors on the board, I assume I don't need to add them.

[open girder]

was not kiddin, we're doin this

[ashen dove]

perfect for the AM2315

[spare kiln]

I should probably put a backorder in for a reel of those from somewhere, especially if I'm gonna do more I2C stuff

[lilac tusk]

I feel like most of all boards coming out are going to be LED boards

until LEDs run out

[nova totem]

my last camera repair included super glue, my next one will be a shopping trip

[open girder]

ADABOX 19 is shipping - JOIN NOW: https://adabox.com

[teal river]

I was spoiled on the AdaBox and haven't gotten it yet DX

[opaque hearth]

mums the word

[waxen bough]

Love my FunHouse Adabox and am holding my breath....

[lilac tusk]

my dog agrees (his name is mumford)

[ashen dove]

luckily, i live 30 miles from NYC cause mine isn't shipped yet

[teal river]

I never got much done with my last AdaBox >~>

[waxen thistle]

Thanks y'all!

[viral sail]

Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌖

[teal river]

Bai!

[lilac tusk]

Thanks Adafruit 🙂

[tame dew]

Monday is AdaBox day if the shipping app is accurate \o/

[teal river]

I still have no update DX

[tame dew]

(Speaking of across the country ground shipping)

[viral sail]

My AdaBox always arrives on time, usually just hours before JPs unboxing video.

[teal river]

I hope mine shows up

I got the last one like... 2 days late?

[waxen bough]

I would love to unbox mine when JP does!

[opaque hearth]

@viral sail it's usually better that way. No temptation to peek. 😁

[teal river]

Same

[tame dew]

The unboxing is really a big part of the experience. I love the care the team puts into the graphics design.

And JP is of course awesome

[teal river]

I wish I hadn't gotten spoiled DX

[lapis magnet]

watching back desk of ladyada- didn't catch it live, but if you guys are looking for risc-v with native usb, try gd32fv103 or bl70x if you also want bluetooth. i picked up sipeed's rv-debugger plus recently (bl702) and even the default firmware has some pretty spicy use of native usb

[shell mason]

i was watching olympics skateboarding while try to get sleep so didnt catch it live too

[teal river]

Sleeping and watching things don't mix well :P you usually fail at one of them

[shell mason]

watching to get the sleep

[teal river]

So it's boarding and puts you to sleep?

[shell mason]

no, as i dont do anything physical so its more relaxing to brain too

[teal river]

my pun has failed

[shell mason]

also without watching any the mind can go wild with ideas to make and create

[teal river]

Mmmm

[shadow epoch]

Next time let's stay unspoilt unspoiled? I can never wait to follow the clues and figure out what the box is, and then open it before JP. Next time .. next time.

[teal river]

It wasn't my fault! Someone just blurted it out in general

[shadow epoch]

Oh that's sad.

[teal river]

Very

I had figured it was what it is, but I wanted to find out if I was right when I opened the box...

[shadow epoch]

Surprise boxes are really fun. My brain loves a puzzle though and it's hard not to try to figure out the mystery. 🙂

[teal river]

Hehe, very fun

[vivid ore]

Again, really sorry about that. I was kinda sad that it got spoiled accidentally when going to check my order status and having it right there in the product description, and made a bad assumption that everyone else already saw it.

On that note, can I suggest that the product title not include its contents until after the official unboxing is live...?

[teal river]

In the future, just make sure you use spoiler tags on any AdaBox info to avoid spoilerificating people

Spoilerificationing...

Spolierificationating?

[shadow epoch]

So I only have 2 usb ports on my laptop, every hub I have tried has a whine to it. Does anyone know of a whine free usb hub?

[clear matrix]

I use Anker hubs. I've never heard a whine. I'd like to think I have pretty sensitive hearing, so I would have noticed, but it's possible you simply have hearing sensitive to a certain range and that includes whatever noise USB hubs make.

Anker hubs get expensive though. I don't know what price range you're looking for, or if you don't care as long as it doesn't whine.

[teal river]

I have two of these with no whine

[prime sentinel]

It seems to me that a likely source of whine would be a switching power converter: some hubs have separate power supplies, so the whine wouldn't be in the hub itself. However, hubs with smart power delivery would probably have their own power converters, so you might want to avoid those.

[teal river]

Some are weird and will have like a 12VDC brick and then internally switch-mode down to 5V with coils and cause whine? Usually odd cheap ones

[shadow epoch]

Thanks everyone! I'll look into these options.

[shadow epoch]

Sometimes it's hard to tell if it is tinnitus or some part I have plugged in. Right now I'm using one of the hubs that I thought was making noise before, and I am not hearing it. 🙂 Win for today - plus added new hubs to cart for future wins.

[teal river]

Tinnitus suuucks

[shadow epoch]

yes. yes it does.

I guess it was worth it to see the Dead Kennedys and B-52s live in small venues as a youth? heh. Maybe not?

[shell mason]

sure it dues

[shadow epoch]

If I have enough equipment with fans going sometimes I don't notice it. 🙂 Also my kid gave me some noise cancelling headphones where I can pipe in some good music and that is a good distraction as well. Dentist tried changing my jaw, helped for a few years.

[prime sentinel]

In my case, it was a combination of inherited hearing issues and experiments with explosives.

[shadow epoch]

oh. right. car races and fireworks in states where we could blow anything up.. :p forgot about that. And also the jaw clenching from tension makes it worse.

[teal river]

My ears have always had a ring despite avoiding loud sounds whenever possible

[sudden slate]

I got my Adabox!!

On friday

[teal river]

Still preparing for shipment... quiet sobbing

[sudden slate]

I wish we could change the shipping method - UPS is always late for me....

[teal river]

Maybe I should move to Cali so I get mine sooner

[shadow epoch]

HA @teal river you have gotten yours before me at least once

I'm going to miss all but the first 5 of the livestream today 😦 forgot to block out the time to keep appointments from happening during livestream.

[teal river]

Well, I got mine after the livestream last time... that was my first one

[vivid ore]

Sigh.