live-broadcast-chat

[inner spade]

The stickum would need a hazardous material data sheet nowadays.

[tulip canyon]

Then along came the Trajan Pro and everything changed

[unreal bay]

Probably so would water if discovered recently (lethal polarising solvent)

[tulip canyon]

Very cool lettering

[dawn bear]

Self-Winding - Been around for a long time.

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/creedarno-clock-time-gif-12565470

[last shale]

@rocky reef is the STL/source files for the Memento Case here avaliable anywhere yet? John had it in the Unboxing and I'd love to print my own!

[cinder wind]

Does MakeCode let you change the stepper speed?

[dawn bear]

Blend a drink. 🙂

[cinder wind]

This one maybe: https://learn.adafruit.com/memento-3d-case

oh no that's a different one

[last shale]

No that one is differtent, doesn't have the breakout for ring. Yeah

[cinder wind]

ah, it's in that guide, but kinda hidden: https://learn.adafruit.com/memento-3d-case/3d-printing#3d-case-for-memento-with-leds-3167531

[last shale]

reading is hard, thanks @cinder wind

[unreal bay]

On a similar note, I want that 3d printed base clip for the memento that JP did/had

[last shale]

This guide was first published on Jan 09, 2024. It was last updated on Mar 18, 2024.

So maybe it was added in the last few days 😄

[unreal bay]

Ah okay, thought it was some custom snap clipped thing, clever

[cinder wind]

here's one of my favorite bass clips:

[inner spade]

Since precision isn’t needed, could use a TT geared brushed motor, but would be noisy — not something for the nightstand.

[cinder wind]

yeah does this watch winder work on the watch app on my phone?

[unreal bay]

wondered if those ones that come bundled with a driver 28BJY-48 (geared bidirectional dc "stepper" motor with clutch. Think they're from air conditioners

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver . Have a great weekend everyone.

[unreal bay]

like these https://www.adafruit.com/product/858

[tulip canyon]

Thanks @haughty quiver Have a great week all

[inner spade]

Thanks!

[unreal bay]

thanks JP + all

[timid plover]

Just watched the beginning of SHOW and TELL 3/20/2040 with Scott's usb keyboard
https://www.youtube.com/live/u9mk9htGvE0?si=pr6NAB1TD0nR2ZwC&t=68

[eager matrix]

Hi Scott, how are things?

[tulip kestrel]

hi scott

[eager matrix]

Snowy here

[sand lotus]

Good afternoon ☕

[tulip kestrel]

what are you working on today

[timid plover]

hey scott we here you

[tulip kestrel]

i love my pi 4 model b i may be getting another on

[sand lotus]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/5710

$15

[glad mortar]

heyhey

[sand lotus]

and if you run Circuit Python on it you can get support in #help-with-circuitpython here on Discord.

https://blog.adafruit.com/2024/03/18/circuitpython-9-0-0-released/

[glad mortar]

thats a great problem to have 😄

[sand lotus]

oh that's a newer NRF52840 feather with the new pinguin silkscreen. That means BLE keyboard? 😉

What are the features of the newer IDF that makes you devs want to update?

ah ble

[simple fractal]

i did notice that tinyuf2 does support idf v5.2 now. so almost in sync

[sand lotus]

Does the newer ESP-IDF have memory stuff that you were interested in with dynamic allocation or does ESP-IDF not factor into that?

[glad mortar]

is there a plan to support nRF53 and beyond eventually?

[sand lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9vWXmL2HIk

[simple fractal]

some of the changes from 5.x->5.2
https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-idf/en/v5.2/esp32/migration-guides/release-5.x/5.2/gcc.html

[glad mortar]

I really missed having CPY available for early testing on a recent nRF53 project

[sand lotus]

Nordic boards new home in the Circuit Python repo. https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/tree/main/ports/nordic

[glad mortar]

I thought the BLE Audio support with nRF53 could be really interesting but I can see that not being very important right now

[sand lotus]

This might be important for people who have linked git downloads. They'll break since the directory will be different.

Some of Nordic's new chips also have thread, matter, zigbee, etc.. which might have licensing issues that Adafruit isn't a fan of.

[glad mortar]

I love CPY! I use it loads thats why I'm here haha. For more complex project I tend to use it to try out stuff/do board bring up before I move to C as its so much quicker to proof assumptions in CPY

[still bane]

Is there a plan to make a RISC-V port for ESP32-C3 RISC V Developer Board - 4 MB SPI Flash - DevKitC-02 ESP32-C3-WROOM-02 (Product ID: 5337)? Context = I'm interested in exploring how to to do CPY ports for RV32 SoCs and wondering if ESP32-C3 might be a good starting point.

[glad mortar]

exactly

I tend to use CPY where I used to use Arduino in the past. Now that library support is so good in CPY there is often little reason to use Arduino as the starting point.

[sand lotus]

You can't beat Circuit Python's fast iteration cycle for rapid development.

[glad mortar]

I missed a part about nRF port, did you mean that there is now options to implement 53+ without Zephyr? My last info was that they went Zephyr only for support

[simple fractal]

a friend was starting a home assistant project using an esp32 based board. I recommended micropython for all the abovre reasons. fast interative development

[glad mortar]

Which I feel is the main reason why other frameworks don't really support the SoC, its def. hard to integrate something so big with Zephyr

oh yea SoftDevice def. supports 53

but you miss the whole host interface bit of the stack

not sure how much changed

[sand lotus]

What's the difference between a soft-float and hard-float? Never heard those terms before.

[still bane]

re: what soc for RV32, things related to Precursor VexRiscv, picoRV32, fpga softcores, litex stuff, etc

[glad mortar]

oh right yea, they switched docs systems, its confusing

[simple fractal]

soft float emulates missing floating point hardware

[sand lotus]

ah, thank you.

[timid plover]

time to check Digikey again ? 🙂

[glad mortar]

they are close to launch afaik

but yea only preview boards right now

they merged Zephyr support 3 weeks ago

[sand lotus]

A lot has changed from 8.0 to 9.0 we'd be here all day to list out the thousands of commits and new features. Have to kind of cherry pick new feature and enhancements.

[glad mortar]

yea 54

[unreal bay]

Do you ever request early samples Scott, like a P4 for example, or only wait for Adafruit to send you things / they become purchasable

[glad mortar]

do ping me if Zephyr ever becomes relevant 🙂
I'm currently getting back to some Linux display work for Limor atm but happy to do Zephyr meets CPY stuff if the need is there!

oh yea no but maybe ripping some aspects out of Zephyr, it would need a deep look to see what makes sense there

for sure

[tulip kestrel]

how big of a micro sd card can the memento camera can it handle?

[glad mortar]

yea P4 is really interesting for UI stuff, looking forward to that

[unreal bay]

Did you see espressif messing with a graphical bootloader, had P4 added recently too. Was same guy playing with wokwi https://github.com/georgik/esp32-graphical-bootloader

[sand lotus]

I have a 128GB SD card in my Memento, seems to work fine... yeah I think it's exFat.

[glad mortar]

doesn't Espressif have their own vendor ID? 😄

ooh right

[timid plover]

https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/releases/tag/9.0.0

[tulip canyon]

FutureWarning: EPaperDisplay moved from displayio to epaperdisplay
FutureWarning: FourWire moved from displayio to fourwire

I'm just going through a 9 upgrade on a ESP32-S2 now

[sand lotus]

I really like the way root_group works now. It makes creating multiple "pages" with displayio projects so much easier.

[glad mortar]

that makes a lot of sense

[brazen grove]

moinmoin

[tulip canyon]

Great info thanks Scott

[sand lotus]

having buses separate from displayio does require 1 more import but the modularity has improved because of it.

[brazen grove]

the idea was that you would enable the warnings in your ci, but few people test their circuitpython programs

[grand tusk]

How about making a migration tool to help identify such issues?

[cinder wind]

why weren't the different display bus types made as submodules of displayio?

[brazen grove]

@grand tusk it's very hard to make such tools robust, the plan was for python2 to python3 migration, for example, but turns out that with how dynamic python is, it's difficult

[cinder wind]

ah that makes sense

[sand lotus]

bugs if you do, bugs if you don't.

[tulip canyon]

Circup worked well to update the .mpy files

[cinder wind]

bespoke handmade bugs in the olde versions

[unreal bay]

On the running old versions front, how can one establish which version of a library should work with which CircuitPython version

[brazen grove]

you have to run as fast as you can just to stay in place

[sand lotus]

It's nice having MPY working for 9.0. No more PY for betas. Feels good to be back to normal.

[cinder wind]

good question. I go by what's in the 8.x vs 9.x bundle zips (not particularly robust)

[rapid hornet]

https://learn.adafruit.com/welcome-to-circuitpython/frequently-asked-questions#faq-3105289

[unreal bay]

Legend, thanks

[tulip canyon]

New to me is the Connection Manager https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_ConnectionManager/

[sand lotus]

I spent the last week updating all the requests API examples to use Connection Manager. I liked it so much I updated them all to use it.

I don't even think SynthIO existed this time last year?

[cinder wind]

Most of the synthio changes were being done in 8.x too, but did not exist this time last year, yep @sand lotus

yeah, me and JP and CGrover and a few others. It's very cool (to me)

[unreal bay]

I see there you've added locale.getlocale(), are there any other changes related to language / string / internationalisation / pluralisation

Can a device support multilanguage via some setLocale()?

[brazen grove]

and by the way, pycon.us in two months

[cinder wind]

what's pycascades lol?

[glad mortar]

man time flies fast

[cinder wind]

tannewgent

[haughty quiver]

#tangynougat

[glad mortar]

haha

[sand lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-salamander-gif-20849802

[unreal bay]

come over to the dark side... auto complete in the command line too

but it doesn't recognise variations on history or ffmpeg like copilot 😉

[glad mortar]

I do enjoy it quite a bit for auto complete

anytime I sigh about needing to write very repetitive statements it sweeps in and saves me from crippling boredom

[simple fractal]

i've been watching the gitbutler stuff

looks really promising

but i think no submodule support

[sand lotus]

The amount of "CP" acronyms around Circuit Python can be confusing. CircuitPython, CPython, Circuit Playground, CPX, etc..

[simple fractal]

and looking at the gitbutler discord looks really early times

[unreal bay]

Is it one of those "its fine as long as you dont use submodules"

[simple fractal]

i think of of scott chacon talks talked about how submodules are the devil (making that up). But he had some thoughts somewhere

[unreal bay]

Thats possibly my favourite feature in vscode

(unstage lines etc)

[grand tusk]

Rather than update submodules I tend to check out in a new directory. Happens abt every six months.

[simple fractal]

i had to learn vi as its always there. But never got past the edit and save level

[sand lotus]

ahh you can discard debug lines on commit... that sounds so useful. i just went through something like that and ended up deleting all debug stuff before submitting which then just deletes all debug possibilities in my local copy.

[unreal bay]

oh it's slow to finish loading (platformio is soooo painful compared to just using vscode to open a json file)

[glad mortar]

same, I used Sublime for ages

most bigger IDEs just don't work well if you deal with lots of different languages

[unreal bay]

maybe just path of least resistance

[glad mortar]

definitely yea

hm not sure if VSCode is necessarily very JS "coded", I find it pretty great for the same reasons I loved Sublime but it added some low friction goodies that helped my workflows

[sand lotus]

Any updates on Hancho? Saw the dev came into Discord which is always nice to see happen.

[glad mortar]

their simplified Intellisense works really well without ever really needing to setup much

[sand lotus]

Yeah seems like we might go ruff soon. That should hopefully take care of black and linting all in 1.

[still bane]

For people new to CPY dev, do you have any ideas of issues, issue tags, etc that would be good for getting to know the codebase? Like, maybe boring maintenance stuff that hasn't been getting much love lately?

litex is a huge complex thing

[sand lotus]

Skerr has an FPGA feather called the IcyBlue

very similar to orangekrab

[still bane]

I've been playing mostly with iCE40 UP5K and yosys tools

[glad mortar]

I moved from Sublime to VScode yea. The language server support, SSH integration works super well and the Intellisense is just kinda magic for getting code hints. I would never use such features if I would have to first set up a bunch of pathes and environment stuff in the editor

used Sublime for about 8 years

I do still have Sublime installed (and definitely when it comes to paying individual devs)

[still bane]

re: how much SoC on a 5K... yeah not enough

it's tight

[unreal bay]

whats the story with external ram and fpga's, can that bring circuitpython while keeping the cost down?

[sand lotus]

I just got an ElectroSmith Seed Daisy that has an STM chip with 65MB of RAM. Looking forward to working with Snakey Maker Cat to get that ported to CP soon.

[unreal bay]

oh the orangecrab, saw it before launch, not really got the reason to have one

[sand lotus]

https://electro-smith.com/products/daisy-seed

[tulip canyon]

https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/campaigns/microprocessor-stm32mp2.html

[sand lotus]

STM32H750

[tulip canyon]

MP2 just announced

[eager matrix]

I got one of those about a week ago. It's awesome.

[sand lotus]

It's designed specifically for audio projects. 3V oct or MIDI.

[eager matrix]

Yep it's. audio codec.

[sand lotus]

128K. Oh no. Didn't realize that. 😬

[timid plover]

how much ram again?

[sand lotus]

I saw 65MB and jumped on it. 😦

[timid plover]

if the processor was connected to a PC - one could softload the RAM f

[glad mortar]

the H7 looks interesting but they are sooo pricey

H7 was in the 15-20$ range for low qty 😦

[tulip canyon]

The U0 ultra low power seem to have up to 256 Flash

[glad mortar]

Analog has some neat ICs for that

[tulip canyon]

https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/search.html#q=stm32u0-t=products-page=1

[glad mortar]

RGB to HDMI

[still bane]

re: OrangeCrab, I'll take a look. thanks for the suggestions

[sand lotus]

I'm too used to the ESP32-S2 and S3 having 2MB PSRAM that I didn't even think to look at that spec. For some reason I just figured it actually had 65MB of RAM to put Circuit Python on it. :/

[still bane]

re clang + RV32 soc... oh, like an RV32EC build, an RV32IMAC, etc?

[sand lotus]

Is there a weird trick I could do to load circuit python within the 65MB of RAM instead of in flash? 😬 Feel like I just wasted $20.

[still bane]

woah... that's a lot of extensions

[shell mason]

Risc-v

[eager matrix]

How big is Circuitpython take up in Flash?

[sand lotus]

RAM is probably volatile. It would just be problems that I don't want.

Would end up requiring a small SAMD21 M0 type of build. If it's just for music then can probably trim off a lot of modules and make it fit. It wouldn't be a good GPIO project board.

Synthio primary build.

[tulip canyon]

Thanks Scott and congrats to all on 9.0

[sand lotus]

Help fund Adafruit & developers by purchasing hardware. https://www.adafruit.com/new Hardware that will actually build and run Circuit Python on more than 128K of flash. :/

Thank you for the stream. Have a good weekend everyone!

[glad mortar]

thanks for streaming, have a great weekend

[solid juniper]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/ Foamyguy - 5pm ET Fridays
FoamyGuy's CircuitPython Stream - 11am ET Saturdays

[smoky island]

We should update deep dive back to Scott

[smoky island]

I'm getting started for the morning now. I'm back on the Cardputer messanger working on encryption of the messages. You can follow along on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch or YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDI9L9WSEMk

[unreal bay]

👋 public keys, that sounds "fun" 😱

[rigid crag]

oh my, openssl scripting... much joy

@smoky island I have this page bookmarked that explains what those values are used for http://mpqs.free.fr/h11300-pkcs-1v2-2-rsa-cryptography-standard-wp_EMC_Corporation_Public-Key_Cryptography_Standards_(PKCS).pdf#page=56

it's important because you do not want to just cargocult the values over and over - they would introduce a weakness

sorry - lingo from work

yes, if you want the same key generated, use the same value

here is a pure javascript key tool - http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~tjw/jsbn/

another good site for this that is fairly modern - https://www.internetsafetystatistics.com/javascript-encryption-guide/

generating it with openssl toolchain is by far the best IMO - that means you are not using self created tools as openssl is very well maintained

the difference between PKCS formats

cookies will be handled auto-magically by the client to be stored in the client's web localstorage

do you have with ... available in CP

oh my :/ I will be curious as to why

I will work on getting you to change that small behaviour ;)

function getCookie(c_name) {
    if (document.cookie.length > 0) {
        c_start = document.cookie.indexOf(c_name + "=");
        if (c_start != -1) {
            c_start = c_start + c_name.length + 1;
            c_end = document.cookie.indexOf(";", c_start);
            if (c_end == -1) {
                c_end = document.cookie.length;
            }
            return unescape(document.cookie.substring(c_start, c_end));
        }
    }
    return "";
}```

javascript is a terrible language and I feel dirty everytime I have to go near it

is it forcing you to encode the cookie value as a string first?

well, you pass in the cookie payload as a dict

but the cookie value is a string

{ "cookie1": "", "cookie2": "" }

that sounds like how crypto wallets work

that's using JWToken toolsets

https://www.npmjs.com/search?q=jwk

there are a lot of small tools in this space, I only know of them in passing as I an NOT a js dev

yes, sorry - I was using that as a quick response to what toolset I was referencing - it was very much a backend thing

https://gist.github.com/mpgn

https://jwt.io/libraries?language=JavaScript

I only mention JWTs because everyone I know of that uses crypto in javascript uses them via Java Web Tokens

right, but you can load the string value from a cookie value or a page text value

apologies if I'm making things more confusing by not knowing javascript

I have been in this secure web world from my days at Mozilla

yes, most everyone in the nodejs world uses "fake" JWTs as all of the proven secure tools just went with that

the biggest reason is that pure javascript just doesn't have the tools to generate secure crypto so there is a big push to only reference WebCrypto as the browser reaches into the lower OS for the low level crypto bits

yes, that is webcrypto

oh - that's the new push to HTTPS only that all modern browsers switched over to

[unreal bay]

Apart from the larger attack vector in http sites, it's probably just not worth considering anything related to security or key generation/decryption on insecure hosted sites

[rigid crag]

yes, you can git clone from a local filesystem

[unreal bay]

Otherwise there's an illusion of security

[rigid crag]

no, bad crypto is worse than no encryption

[unreal bay]

I can have other nefarious http things access the local storage as well as traffic potentially

[rigid crag]

ah - your saying that your HTTP payload is a blend of plaintext and encrypted base64d items

the web crypto world never considered MCUs back when all of this was hashed out

[unreal bay]

That's the rub, users should get a choice to use insecure features like device sensors if desired on http sites, rather than exclude all sites

No different to microphone access or webusb serial.

Stick ngrok/cloudflare/let's encrypt https Infront of microcontroller then problem solved

[rigid crag]

yes, the people who wrote subtle say that you use a tool like ngrok to put an http server behind an https gateway

that's what ngrok is for - it uses port tunnelling

[unreal bay]

Static ip needed really. Also owned domain. Then use DNS record based Auth, then copy pem to mcu

[rigid crag]

this is something adafruit.io could be used for

I use ngrok for this kind of testing

[unreal bay]

I have my vps server running webmin/virtualmin, controlling DNS for a domain.
I set a subdomain pointed at 192.168.0.150 (private esp32 IP) and have let's encrypt generate a cert. I copy that cert to my esp32 and it's a valid named site and IP.
The difficulty is when having an offline network (like esp AP), you need to resolve name to IP or static route/ hardcode server address or mdns so browser can resolve.

E.g. works on lan or home WiFi. Running it on a WiFi boat was more tricky as offline

[rigid crag]

to avoid all of that ^^ I use ngrok to poke a hole out to a server I run in the cloud

but I realize that not everyone has a cloud server handy

why not just put the min.js data at the bottom of your HTML?

@unreal bay I would definitely be interested in how you setup the environment for local (mdns) web work

parseBigInt was probably created before BigInt was added to core Javascript

I don't think you need to use parseBigInt in modern js

lovely - that ate the entire error and spit out a useless result

use the code inside that helper function

you are doing now what I was thinking about back then

[wind spoke]

Are you trying to be an HTTPS server to be able to use web features without warning or blocking?

[rigid crag]

he is trying to get javascript to encrypt/decrypt a data item while using a page that is served from HTTP

the magic of webpack (?)

now you know why my brain is trained to reject all things javascript

the last 30 minutes was all to just see an error that the dev should have exposed anyway

: facepalm :

you already have their javascript - convert their bigint references to the core js one?

[wind spoke]

Are you trying to be an HTTPS server to be able to use web features without warning or blocking?

[rigid crag]

my gut is that you can just copy over that code, and then deal with any other references - that should be all the export is doing

sounds like you need a brain break

you are now one level of stack higher but still erroring out

create a basic html page that you paste into some encrypted data then have your javascript helper code show the unencrypted text?

yes, learning import/export is going to make this more useful

thanks for the "fun" ;)

I did enjoy watching you working thru this

thanks @smoky island

[unreal bay]

@smoky island The mdns bit not complete. Not sure if I can advertise non-local names.
Last year I went with 192dot168dot4dot1.gundryconsultancy.com with matching real DNS entry for 192.168.4.1, got the cert and saved to esp.
Then my mobile joined the boat esp32 WiFi and as long as I had mobile data too then the URL resolved and the cert matched, but without mobile data (dual data access) you get a warning. You can switch off boat WiFi to mobile data only then refresh tab to resolve name to IP and then switch boat WiFi back on to find the IP then cert works no warning. Not worth it except to access phone sensors like IMU.
I'll revisit and write up with hopefully an easier workflow.

[open girder]

Desk of Ladyada - Switchy-wichy Sample Sunday https://youtu.be/030v_z78b28

Explore samples of panel mount switches with various functionalities, inspired by kids' busy boards, and useful for projects. TCRT1000 and LTC4316 board testers, and a look at pre-crimped ribbon cables used in X0XB0X kit design.

[wind spoke]

So it is ground when the sensor is close to the ground? 😉

A Key Board... LoL

[verbal river]

Bye

[rapid hornet]

Turns out the daisy has 8MB qspi flash on it!

just posted to the daisy discord and they mentioned it

[sand lotus]

OMG ❤️

[winter zinc]

I'm already working on it 🙂

it's slow, cos i have to figure out how to implement qspi on stm32, and how to load the code on the external flash, but it's on the way

[wind spoke]

Is this the longest weekly meeting in a long time?

[sand lotus]

With 9.0 stable out and bug hunting beginning there's a lot to discuss. This is normal for a new major stable release. More people port their projects and run into bugs. Developers cannot test for every possible bug.

[sand lotus]

Any testing you want me to do just ask. Have a github repo for it yet?

[echo canopy]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/ Foamyguy - 5pm ET Fridays
FoamyGuy's CircuitPython Stream - 11am ET Saturdays

[inner spade]

👋

[split gazelle]

helloooo. excellent use of anna wintour in the thumbnail

[waxen bough]

I can't wait to see how much can be said about a switch!

[viral sail]

Good afternoon.

[inner spade]

🎶 “Must be the season of the switch…”🎶

[waxen bough]

Maybe he'll draw a few analogies.

[ivory flax]

Not sure what I can make out of this product. Is strictly for audio analogy signals. I am confused

[waxen bough]

Think of it as a solid state relay.

[dusk socket]

I wonder if John will be able to switch up the talk and get us lit up

[unreal bay]

I'm struggling to understand the themactic clues in the placeholder image

[waxen bough]

It's a Rebus.

[sand lotus]

@unreal bay There are words that cannot be said.

[unreal bay]

oh he's good

[split gazelle]

👏👏👏👏

[sand lotus]

A switch is also a thin tree branch.

Well i found a bug today on the esp32-s3 where you cant use analogout. So right now cant use it with this switch for example.

[inner spade]

I’m curious about the “OZ” pin

NO? ON?

[sand lotus]

You mean the ZO pin?

[waxen bough]

Normally Open / Normally Closed (Oh, there's the OZ in the middle of the through-holes!) didn't see that!

[sand lotus]

Incorrect answers only

[inner spade]

Ignore the mechanical relay behind the curtain.

[unreal bay]

can we have 95% mario please

That's pretty good as far as semi-unplanned mixes go

[sand lotus]

Mario street chicken remix

[unreal bay]

Thanks JP

[inner spade]

Thanks!

[sand lotus]

Thanks JP!

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver

[haughty quiver]

thanks all! @split gazelle so happy you spotted Anna 🙂

[waxen bough]

Sample and hold sounds pretty cool. One potentiometer driving multiple controls?

[rocky reef]

3DHangouts Episode 435 LIVE! PiCow Plates, Battery Monitor and Sensory Fidget Cube https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live Today's coupon code “picowbell” gets you 10% off your order!

[urban gale]

hi all

[upbeat coral]

Hey Y'll

[wise iris]

good morning

[upbeat coral]

Issues with Twitch?

[rocky reef]

PiCow Bell Brick Plates Guide
https://learn.adafruit.com/PiCowBell-Doubler-Brick-Plates

[upbeat coral]

OK, got it. Had to restart

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/farscape-farscape-friday-farscape-tv-scifi-tv-show-scifi-gif-13802922

[rocky reef]

Feather ESP32-S2 TFT
https://www.adafruit.com/product/5345

[urban gale]

I like the way that fits together. you could probably wall mount that too

[drowsy inlet]

handy simple project. very cool.

[rocky reef]

New Parts! 3D Parts on GitHub - https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CAD_Parts

Textured Infinity Cube By Davis County Library
https://cults3d.com/:1854998
https://youtu.be/8z36MttXELY

[urban gale]

thank you again everyone

[upbeat coral]

Great show. Thanks for taking time for us. See ya t'nite

[wise iris]

thanks guys

[hard hollow]

thanks folks! cya tonight

[hard hollow]

hey folks, if anyone wants to join show and tel here's the streamyard link https://streamyard.com/vjb3s2tykf

[viral sail]

Good evening everyone.

[nova totem]

Evening everyone

[haughty quiver]

hi there!

[robust horizon]

howdy folks!

[upbeat coral]

Hey Y'll

[nova totem]

That's really cool

[timid plover]

see you Friday Scott! ( sorry )

[robust horizon]

oh did I mention the HDMI is then converted to USB by a converter box Adafruit sells. crisp 560x240 text!

sweet keyboard @spring heath !

[nova totem]

I like the typewriter like keycaps

The corsair I have could almost use a bit more pressure, super easy to duplicate presses

[sage aspen]

Pretty cool @haughty quiver

[haughty quiver]

that's awesome @nova totem

[upbeat coral]

'Snuf snuffin

[haughty quiver]

Happy Birthday!

[sage aspen]

Happy Birthday @nova totem

[strange mantle]

@nova totem happy birthday! 🧁

[nova totem]

Thanks everyone and thanks to @robust horizon for the idea last year

[dawn bear]

Can't hear her

Is her mic on?

Barely hear him

[viral sail]

Great projects everyone. Thanks for sharing.

[upbeat coral]

Thank you all for taking time for us

[hard hollow]

thanks folks!

[brazen quail]

Never underestimate the power of keeping it real.

[open girder]

ASK AN ENGINEER 3/27/2024 LIVE! https://youtu.be/g1n11vwahNE

[slow spire]

Hi, all!

[dawn bear]

Hi from Los Angeles!

👋

[open girder]

10% discount code, code is: translator http://www.adafruit.com ends at midnight NYC time https://youtu.be/g1n11vwahNE

[sand lotus]

Good evening everyone.

[cinder wind]

yay, micropython! Having TinyUSB in Arduino and CircuitPython is so amazing

[sand lotus]

hathach ❤️

[cinder wind]

tasty frosting!

[sand lotus]

Unicorn with a soldering iron, never seen that before. Love it. 🦄

[sage aspen]

Forbidden frosting

[slow spire]

Yes, that frosting is keto. No, don't eat it.

[nova totem]

I'm hoping the cupcake I ate was not that type of frosting

[brazen quail]

Is there a feather wing that can do more than 8 digital outputs, at 10 mA or more per channel ?

[sage aspen]

I think you would know

[cinder wind]

Created at Crash Space hackerspace! https://www.flickr.com/photos/therontrowbridge/5177510539 (my local hackerspace)

[brazen quail]

Does CircuitPython 9 socket stuff allow for more ethernet targets than wiznet add ons ?

[robust horizon]

@brazen quail wiznet's still the only wired ethernet that works with circuitpython

[sand lotus]

First time I purchased a multimeter with caps I didn't realize they were removable caps until like 6 months into use. :/ Something that beginners who've never used a multimeter might not realize the long probes are under the cap.

[slow spire]

Yeah, there probably needs to be a bigger spool holder in there, cause I'm not buying 50g coil refills. But for starter, that kit looks very nice.

[sand lotus]

Automotive trade schools I could see making those available to students as a "standardized kit". Great kit for bulk needs.

[slow spire]

newwwww

[sand lotus]

🆕

[open girder]

10% discount code, code is: translator http://www.adafruit.com ends at midnight NYC time

[sand lotus]

Interesting, what kind of marker would use on it dry erase?

[dim knot]

Adafruit Motor/Stepper/Servo Shield for Arduino v2 Kit - v2.3 https://www.adafruit.com/product/1438

Adafruit SHT41 Trinkey - USB Temperature and Humidity Sensor https://www.adafruit.com/product/5912

iFixit FixMat - Premium Magnetic Mat For Teardowns and Repairs - with ESD Project Tray https://www.adafruit.com/product/5908

iFixit Anti-Static Wrist Strap - Universal Size https://www.adafruit.com/product/5911

[slow spire]

This needs googly eyes.

[dim knot]

iFixit Soldering Splint - Portable Helping Hand https://www.adafruit.com/product/5910

[turbid hill]

What burn your fingers while soldering, isn't that an initiation rite?

[dim knot]

Adafruit STEMMA Reflective Photo Interrupt Sensor - TCRT1000 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5913

[sand lotus]

looks like a little spider

[turbid hill]

now that is a spider

[slow spire]

Could be used for touch sensing when capacitive touch isn't an option.

[dim knot]

Adafruit LTC4316 I2C Address Translator - Stemma QT / Qwiic https://www.adafruit.com/product/5914

[sage aspen]

NAT for i2c!

[slow spire]

ooooooh… I didn't even think about daisy-chaining as an option!!

[sand lotus]

This could be good to include on modules that have chips with fixed addresses.

[slow spire]

That's a really convenient alternative to multiplexing.

[cinder wind]

XORL. Long Live XORL

[verbal river]

Centre negative makes me cry.

[sage aspen]

I believe it's Japanese products that have center negative.

[cinder wind]

garhgh Center-negative! All guitar pedal-related stuff is center-negative. So frustrating

[sand lotus]

center - switcher, where have you been in my life? Want it.

[verbal river]

It's amazing what they can do these days.

[urban gale]

I never knew center-negative was a thing! 🤯

[verbal river]

Now that you know, you will never sleep soundly.

[cinder wind]

once you blow up your first center-negative thing, you'll always remember ahahah

[slow spire]

Maybe center-negative is the only way your guitar amp can go to 11.

[sage aspen]

I made one of the translator cables from https://www.adafruit.com/product/327

[sand lotus]

A center- or + tester would be a nice idea. There are USB power/data cable tester pcb's out there now too.

for those who don't want to break out a multimeter

[cinder wind]

with a little voltmeter too and I'd buy 5

[slow spire]

My version would have a speaker that makes a little scream.

[sand lotus]

ohh that's a good idea

[turbid hill]

Q: Who handles the Circuitpyton download site, specifically the esp32-based entries and the in-page programmer, I am finding it is not programming correctly. Some of the entries are missing the bootloader.zip bundle containing the separate bin files used by esptool to program esp32-based boards and used to fix a bootloader on the board

[verbal river]

pt Thanks for saying "OK ladyada what is this", otherwise we'd never hear about all this stuff.

[echo canopy]

@open girder question

Since the Memento has an ESP chip capable of Wi-Fi or ESP-NOW

Curious on the possibility of having two of them and sending a captured image to the others one’s display ? And thought on how fast they could complete and be ready for another? Maybe 5 fps? Purpose like a completely offline video doorbell

[sand lotus]

usb host for the qt py sounds neat. another bff in the lineup.

[sage aspen]

I do for the most part. Please file an issue on GitHub.

https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython-org/issues

[turbid hill]

@sage aspen ok, the general GitHub for ciruitpython as a whole?

[sand lotus]

if you're trying to detect light then wouldn't that be lasers?

[echo canopy]

Q Mxc sense distance for the TCRT1000? A few inches?

[sage aspen]

At the link I posted above: https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython-org/issues

[turbid hill]

@sage aspen Ok thanks

[nova totem]

Windproof can be important too... I found that out the hard way

[upbeat coral]

Thank you for taking time for us.

[slow spire]

And weather is getting more intense. It's a trend.

[sand lotus]

I couldn't find liquid rubber on Amazon anymore. Looks like it's all flex seal now. :/

[lyric frost]

Thanks 😁

[viral sail]

Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌖

[verbal river]

Bye!

[sand lotus]

I used to love using the little liquid rubber cans with the brush on the lid.

[slow spire]

Thanks, @open girder ! Thanks everyone!

[urban gale]

thanks all!

[crisp trench]

🖤🖤

[cinder wind]

thanks Limor, thanks pt!

[sage aspen]

Have a good night. 👋

[sand lotus]

Thank you for another excellent episode. A lot of new stuff coming for my wallet.

[inner spade]

👋

[split gazelle]

good afternoon

[inner spade]

Will the second episode wind up the project?

[haughty quiver]

hello!

it's the sequel, anything goes

[dusk socket]

👍👍

[drowsy inlet]

hello all

[ivory flax]

Top of the afternoon to you John.. what good stuff do you have today.

[cinder wind]

Mechanical Boogaloo would be a good name for a Kraftwerk-inspired funk band

cold take: mechanical self-winding watches were the original tamagotchi

[unreal bay]

hey all 👋 isn't the washing machine usually employed for quick accelerometer vibes?

[dawn bear]

Hey all from Los Angeles 👋

[cinder wind]

ahah how fast can you PWM that analog switch

[sand lotus]

good afternoon

good parsec

could also be used for running the same script on different versions of circuit python which could be very handy during 8.x/9.x transition.

[drowsy inlet]

there was another parsec a while back that also did some sort of introspection, but can't recall what that one was (chip vs something else)

[grand tusk]

Didn't the asteroids game run on lots of different boards?

[dusk socket]

no sound

[dawn bear]

lost audio

[drowsy inlet]

@haughty quiver lost audio

[split gazelle]

@haughty quiver no audio

[inner spade]

Audi-no

[lyric frost]

Lost your audio :/

[strange mantle]

are those AA's bespoke?

[dawn bear]

electrons

[split gazelle]

audio strikes back

[dawn bear]

missed the new motor

[cinder wind]

batteries!! shakes fist

[grand tusk]

Revenge of the Batts.

[sand lotus]

import os
u_name = os.uname()
print(f"Circuit Python Version: {u_name[2]}")
print(f"Circuit Python Build: {u_name[3]}")
print(f"Logic Chip: {u_name[0]}")
# Output example:
# Circuit Python Version: 8.2.5
# Circuit Python Build: 8.2.5 on 2023-09-07
# Logic Chip: ESP32S2
```Here's an example of using os.uname to print out your current version of circuit python.

TT Motors have 2 different main gear ratios. There are 2 versions. Depends if you want a high torque or high speed variety.

There are 1:48 and 1:90 ratios.

[cinder wind]

But how fast can you spin it JP. If you spin in 100x faster it'll wind 100x faster, right?

[sand lotus]

If you spin it backwards do you time travel though?

[strange mantle]

fwiw this syntax also works (return is a named tuple)

>>> import os
>>> foo = os.uname()
>>> foo
(sysname='nrf52', nodename='nrf52', release='8.2.10', version='8.2.10 on 2024-02-14', machine='Adafruit ItsyBitsy nRF52840 Express with nRF52840')
>>> foo.release
'8.2.10'
>>> foo.version
'8.2.10 on 2024-02-14'
>>> foo.machine
'Adafruit ItsyBitsy nRF52840 Express with nRF52840'
>>> 

[cinder wind]

the real reason why he has it cycle back-n-forth. he doesn't want to create any inadvertant time-loop excursions

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/creedarno-clock-time-gif-12565470

[sand lotus]

I like that much better. Adding to my snippets, thanks!

[shell mason]

great lego project

[sand lotus]

this is like fritzing for legos

[dawn bear]

Is it expensive?

[unreal bay]

Can you swap the large expensive plates easily into smaller same style plate pieces?

Wow, so easy, thanks for the walkthrough

[drowsy inlet]

ever played The Incredible Machine? getting those vibes here lol

[inner spade]

Cam-piston motion, perhaps?

[cinder wind]

current design is good hypnotists tool tho

[unreal bay]

always keep some balloons, fans, string and candles on hand. Well trained for those MacGyver moments

Do you ever lubricate your plastic / lego for noise + friction reasons?

[cinder wind]

what lube do the mechanical keyboard people use for their keyswitches? maybe the same stuff?

[unreal bay]

Thanks @haughty quiver + all

[inner spade]

Thanks JP!

[dusk socket]

Thanks John

[unreal bay]

good point @cinder wind, also probably the 3d printing peeps although more PLA than ABS these days

[clever summit]

🇸🇪 👋

[still bane]

hi

yeah, last week

[timid plover]

hello

[wind spoke]

Hi, any plan for Mickey Mouse very old image in the presentation?

[timid plover]

Memento supports web workflow also, right?

[still bane]

Could you talk a little about what you're imagining building with clang might look like (other than just string replace of gcc with clang)

[inner spade]

👋

[rapid hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3oW57PhTII

[wind spoke]

You say clang can be modified... but you current compiler can not be modified???

[clever summit]

Clang has way better error messages,

[still bane]

yeah, that's great. thanks!

[wind spoke]

build the builder... that's a lot of work.

[timid plover]

good ideas - looking forward to clang progress!

[wind spoke]

What about SDK from Espressif, does that come pre-compiled and just linked?

[timid plover]

you mentioned bare metal raspberry pi - if there were a bare metal BeagleV-Fire - one could get FPGA included

https://www.beagleboard.org/boards/beaglev-fire

not trying to distract you

[eager matrix]

Hi Scott, just got here but since you just said "hi" I thought I'd do the same.

[grand tusk]

I never got a Clue. 😦

[timid plover]

clue out of stock at adafruit, https://www.adafruit.com/product/4500
but there is a link to get a clue from DigiKey 🙂

[glad mortar]

lots of love for tio

[timid plover]

40 in stock

[wind spoke]

I am interested in "build-in keyboard" workflow... many existing board have a keyboard and a screen. See the issue about "press enter to enter REPL".

[glad mortar]

oh cool didn't know WiFi was on the table too

[wind spoke]

Sorry that table with the icons everywhere to say what is supported or not is hard to understand.
This might require some rework.

[glad mortar]

programming over Wifi to be clear

[wind spoke]

Do you have slide number on your slide?

When do we get LTE workflow?

[glad mortar]

30 sec per slide feels good

[wind spoke]

So you want a slide wher that "Hello Pycade" so that it look like the continuation of earlier slides.

That was for BLE workflow capture.

[grand tusk]

The crowd goes wild!!

[glad mortar]

I liked it! Hard to say how long it was because of the pauses

[timid plover]

there were a few distractions - so timing isn't valid
fire extinguisher was at 26:35 - last status table at 53:00

the other day Lady Ada commented on trying to move to one USB stack, and perhaps there are some test cases for USB

how are the various 'stacks' tested for regression purposes?

[grand tusk]

'using a thing called MARP' -26 minutes

That includes all the distractions.

[glad mortar]

ASF4 was also insanely buggy as a whole

[wind spoke]

Is it really broken if no one saw it?
Maybe it is important to remember that not everybody report bugs, some just try something else and do not return to CP... or that particular workflow.

[glad mortar]

but I think you only use the headers for the registers?

[timid plover]

I think about how perl, python, and some libraries are tested
but if there was a way to partition the stack vs. python testing

[glad mortar]

ADC HAL is completely broken still, you can only read channel 1 on any chip because the ADC mux function is just not implemented haha

I would assume you probably talk to the registers directly. The ASF4 HAL is veeery Java'esque

every HAL call is like 20 onions layers deep

[timid plover]

I think there were other distractions during the slides - you can make it work

[glad mortar]

for sure

[timid plover]

I acknowledge it is a very HARD problem

[wind spoke]

Should you downgrade to show Glider when it is working (and just saying there is a bug in 9.0)?

[timid plover]

perhaps cover one workflow in more depth (with the least bugs) - and just let the listeners imagine the other workflows? ( that may be what you were doing already )

[grand tusk]

I want to use web workflow from my Atari 800.

[timid plover]

maybe include links to learn guides(s) for the workflow?

[lyric frost]

TWO!!! That doesn't seem possible

[timid plover]

I think this is the link you splashed up earlier

https://github.com/tannewt/presentations/blob/main/20240407-pycascades/presentation.md

[grand tusk]

MDNS seems to bind to a device that isn't currently running.

[glad mortar]

really need check that out, thats very cool

[timid plover]

is this the MDNS tha you are referring to ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_DNS

what tool did you use to convert the .md file to the browser ( I noticed you have a .html file in your presentation git repo )

[unreal bay]

Last minute questions if you fancy:
1 - is android supported for BLE stuff?
2 - Totally unrelated - if one does try using ota, is there a way to switch apps, also is there some mechanism for roll back if the new ota app is bad (but a valid flash happens), or does one only have the ability to go forwards (download a new bin and flash and hope you got it correct)

Here be Dragons 🐉

Useful on the esp32 pico based modules for sure

[grand tusk]

Thanks Scott!

[timid plover]

do animated gifs show up in pdf ?

[unreal bay]

check marp for compression options in pdf?

[timid plover]

I thought there was an option to compress images in pdfs to the target resolution ( like for printing )

[glad mortar]

have a great weekend!

[clever summit]

🇸🇪 👋

[sand lotus]

Good morning ☕

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JbWGvq7vaI

[smoky island]

I am getting started now for the morning. Working on updating the Display Text guide with some of the newer features. You can follow along on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch or YT (linked above ty)

[sand lotus]

Hope your S3 Rev TFT is ok. I hate hearing about injured microcontrollers.

[clever summit]

I have been spending an hour trying to login to Azure and administer an old VM. Turns out I needed to use an old account, but found out that I have a $350 credit there. Noice!

I have been wondering why I never got invoiced for that one... Ha.

[sand lotus]

I think it might have been an optical sensor they were playing with for the legacy floppy drive encoding project?

I think it was for some kind of rotary encoding like a spinning dvd drive. Has something to do with a spinning encoder.

Yes outlines are here! Nice!

Hold up I just went to https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_Display_Text/tree/main/examples they're not added yet?

outline?

I thought I saw you showing off an outline example?

ah i missed it. was looking for outline on the end of the filename. got it. will definitely play with that!

i have sooo many outlined labels that could be improved with it.

softkeyboard got a shoutout in Paul Cutler & Todbot's Bootloader podcast this week. Out of all the highlights for 9.0 soft keyboard grabbed their attention. That was pretty cool.

the ones with 5 labels was just a means to an end for outlines but turned out had more control on the style. it does take 5 times more ram than a single label though.

oh an asyncio display library inception, this will probably get complicated quick.

oh it's one of those days, ok just as a reminder make a backup if you plan on upgrading a microcontroller .bin today.

oh because it's on a pi so there's actually threads..

oh just wait until all the connection_manager_simpletest examples start coming out. it'll add like 30 characters.

we can shorten it perhaps, ConMan doesn't have a great connotation to it, let's not rename it to that.

huh? blinka doesn't have bitmap tools? why? are Pi people too used to using PIL for everything?

i thought blinka has everything that circuit python does. like isn't that the point of the compatibility layer?

i've honestly never used it, no idea.

skip index and skip dest index are 2 different things for blitting?

i just learned yesterday that you can make an argument optional by setting it to None. How would you get it to throw a wrong type error for the int if it's set to None though?

oh i thought you were putting int in there for typing. yeah it's typing or circuitpython_typing, something like that.

ahhh that's why both were used sometimes.

that confused the heck out of me when trying to update the display driver to 9.0 and saw both typing and circuitpython_typing imports.

now that we have jpg and png support we can expand bitmap saver to be screenshot with optional file types?

i mean the Memento is basically just taking screenshots so the capability is probably already there.

someday, we'll have a way to access the sd card from the os hopefully. like a 2nd usb drive. i think danh called it a 2nd mount point or some acronym i've forgotten.

oh that is useful. learning some git tricks today.

dependencies, requirements.txt?

ha a wild guess was right haha.

this is why everyone should watch you honestly, there's so much to learn about the intricacies of circuit python.

[inner spade]

Joining late today. Power was just restored. 💡⚡🔌

[sand lotus]

How did you lose power?

☕

[inner spade]

Uncertain. Weather is beautiful. Perhaps a squirrel was trying to keep warm in a transformer box. Poof.

It happens often around here.

The squirrel effect, that is.

[sand lotus]

I've lost internet to the pesky squirrels before. They get into everything. They can fill an entire transformer with acorns.

Now if you think transformers are sealed they are but squirrels find a way.

https://tenor.com/view/party-going-nuts-squirrel-spinning-gif-16217861

[inner spade]

Transformers are the squirrels’ natural enemy.

[sand lotus]

wind causes power outages here too but our kind of wind is like 100mph

Your link missed the last "t" in display_text.

link goes to display_tex

automated padding sounds neat if you want to automatically make text as large as possible for the display width. i could see that being useful for some scenarios.

[rigid crag]

if a literal is only used once, then it's premature optimization to break it out into a variable

"The below is an example"

no, the command is extra IMO

[sand lotus]

commas are just replacements for "and" so having a comma then an and ", and" it's like saying "and and"

[rigid crag]

because you use a comma with a conjuction only if > 2 items

[sand lotus]

that's if you believe in the oxford comma

[rigid crag]

yes, that's the oxford comma "style"

[sand lotus]

i'm a proud proponent of the oxford comma

[rigid crag]

if you do "the below is an example" then remove the first use of "example" as that is repetitive

[sand lotus]

that's kind of splitting hairs for a learn guide where electronics are more important than proper english. 😉

[rigid crag]

point

[sand lotus]

and according to most British none of us in the US speak proper English anyway. 😛

this, that, and those vs this, that and those it's just the placement of the comma before the word and in a list.

my guess is yes because more pixels moving

[inner spade]

The black formatter loves that comma, so much that it’ll add an extra after the last item in a list. Does that make the Oxford comma pythonic?

[sand lotus]

i've seen that sometimes and i'm like why...

[solid juniper]

It's for when you are coding in a team

[sand lotus]

(item, item, item,) it sets off something in my ocd brain and screams no.

[rigid crag]

I live by the extra comma for lists and dictionaries - makes inserting and removing code easier

[sand lotus]

true

[solid juniper]

Makes PR reviews easier

[inner spade]

Indeed

[rigid crag]

yep - especially with diffs

[solid juniper]

That is all a code formatter is for - making it all look uniform

[inner spade]

I’ll be keeping that cup of extra commas next to the keyboard.

[sand lotus]

i mean if it works it works. it's just not something you would expect to see and think it's a syntax mistake.

[rigid crag]

code formatters also make cross team contributions easier, less "format war" discussions

<soapbox>Java* are not languages</soapbox>

[sand lotus]

that's bait

[rigid crag]

yea, spoken like a true dynamic language fan-person

I saw Java get created and used to excess, never understood it

[inner spade]

Putting a comma at the end of a list says, “wait, there’s more”; a form of up-talking, 😉

[sand lotus]

I started learning Java because of Minecraft. Everyone else was playing games and I had my head buried in syntax trying to manage a game server.

[rigid crag]

the outage was only a few seconds

[sand lotus]

Ohh we can call it the Billy Mays comma

Ah the one about the Indians baseball team. I think Charlie Sheen was in that one.

and the Voodoo Haitian that was cursing bats

https://tenor.com/view/bills-gif-27352631

outside so that it's allowed to scroll off the screen?

I think some of the first scrolling labels were using a bounding box method explicitly. I meant that at some point there was a change that allowed it to scroll off the screen without the bounding box. It was just the wording that reminded me of it.

[rigid crag]

truncated, constrained, ???

clipped

[sand lotus]

stylus means resistive

fingers are capacitive

[rigid crag]

to me marquee implies horizontal

[sand lotus]

yes otherwise it's just a matter of time before someone asks about vertical scrolling when reading that.

I'm heading out. Have a lovely weekend everyone.

[unreal bay]

Hey all 👋
This looks interesting, and most appropriate for what I'm playing with (0.49" screen)
Can the REPL be made to be scrolling text too?

[rigid crag]

actually same, I need to run an errand, thanks for the stream
👋

[sand lotus]

why would you want to scroll the repl? weird.

[unreal bay]

v10 😉

[unreal bay]

so i can read it on a postage stamp sized screen

[sand lotus]

vertical scroll the repl or horizontal?

ah ok sorry i'm used to using 3.5" tft

[unreal bay]

oh vertical would be super cool, more thinking each line could be a scrolling label

[sand lotus]

i'm leaving the outline simpletest open and will play with it tonight. can't wait to finally try that out in my projects.

[smoky island]

https://learn.adafruit.com/circuitpython-text-editor-on-the-go/overview

[unreal bay]

fascinating, thanks for the heads up, hadn't though of moving the cursor in the repl

scrollback support, gotcha

if the file isn't saved then similar, buffered big strings

oh clever

Thanks for playing it out for me hypothetically, and for the stream 😄

[inner spade]

Thanks for the stream!

Would love to have a scrollable REPL for troubleshooting PyPortal issues.

[unreal bay]

I went with logger type stuff instead, but no where near as useful (sys.print_exception has been my new friend when debugging)

[still bane]

?showtimes

[arctic abyss]

Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/ Foamyguy - 5pm ET Fridays
FoamyGuy's CircuitPython Stream - 11am ET Saturdays

[viral sail]

Good evening.

[open girder]

Desk of Ladyada - Camera Bell & C6 Feather https://youtu.be/l8cjQtB02tE

Finalized testing for Camera PiCowbell, connecting DVP cameras to RP2040 Pico with CircuitPython code. Starting ESP32-C6 Feather bring-up, testing GPIO, NeoPixel, I2C, and more. Also exploring 1% through-hole resistor kits on The Great Search.

[viral sail]

Thanks and good night. 🌗

[inner spade]

👋

[haughty quiver]

hi just hit technical snag, please standby

[clever summit]

🇸🇪 👋

[split gazelle]

sup

[haughty quiver]

here we go!

[viral sail]

Good afternoon.

[dusk socket]

its just a ItsyBitsy ssnag for the start od J.P. Product pick to day

[brazen quail]

Come for the electronics, stay for the dance party

[timid plover]

good afternoon

[waxen bough]

The only thing it's missing is mounting holes, so you probably want to 3d print a clip holder for it.

[solemn cosmos]

4 for me ... have a few WLED projects this should work for

[haughty quiver]

https://github.com/CedarGroveStudios/PCB_ItsyBitsy_Breadboard_Adapter

[brazen quail]

How much current can the digital outputs put out ?

[viral sail]

Thanks @haughty quiver

[glossy flicker]

Thanks, JP! had a couple of these in my cart to order one day, and then they are this week's product pick! 🤘

[inner spade]

Thanks!

[glossy flicker]

dance party

[haughty quiver]

around 30mA I believe based on the data sheet

they say "2 For VDD3P3_CPU and VDD3P3_RTC power domain, per-pin current sourced in the same domain is
gradually reduced from around 40 mA to around 29 mA, VOH>=2.64 V, as the number of currentsource pins increases."

[rocky reef]

3DHangouts Episode 436 LIVE! IoT Battery Charger Monitor and Chopper Droid Planter https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live Today's coupon code “iobattery” gets you 10% off your order! https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live

[hard hollow]

hey folks

[urban gale]

Hi all!

[upbeat coral]

Hey Y'll

[lavish patrol]

Hello, all. 👋

[rocky reef]

Learn Guide:
https://learn.adafruit.com/iot-battery-monitor/

Feather ESP32-S2 TFT
https://www.adafruit.com/product/5345

[sand lotus]

Good morning all ☕

[rocky reef]

3D Parts Library on GitHub -
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CAD_Parts

Adafruit Fritzing Library parts - https://github.com/adafruit/Fritzing-Library/tree/master/parts

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rebels-star-wars-star-wars-rebels-chopper-chopper-swr-chopper-gif-4392183114265581209

[sand lotus]

Docker is with the Pi I think. Pretty sure docker won't run on a microcontroller. 😉

[rocky reef]

https://www.adafruit.com/distributors/

[shell mason]

get to the chppa

[sand lotus]

I have a project idea that came up recently for Pedro. Someone wanted a Disney ride queue time with an SSD1306 display (I'm guessing it's for a watch band). I got the API working in Circuit Python. Made me think of Pedro. https://github.com/DJDevon3/My_Circuit_Python_Projects/tree/main/Boards/espressif/Unexpected Maker Feather S3/4.0 ST7796S/QueueTimes API Display

The rides are all closed because I filmed that at like 4am.

it pulls from queue-times.com no idea what that is.

it was a request

It was requested for the small SSD1306 but I just made it on my huge TFT. I kept the font size small enough so it should work on a smaller display intentionally.

[rocky reef]

Chopper Pot By CalebTimoteo
https://www.printables.com/model/821661-c1-10p-chopper-star-wars-rebels-pot-plant
https://youtu.be/Mt6gajSkPVI

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rebels-chopper-scared-terrified-cant-look-gif-17372200

[lavish patrol]

Thanks, @hard hollow and @rocky reef 👍

[upbeat coral]

Thank you for taking time for us

[lavish patrol]

Bye all 👋

[hard hollow]

thanks folks! cya tonight

[rocky reef]

thanks so much for hanging out folks!

[sand lotus]

Thank you for the beautiful 3D printin'

[sage aspen]

Click this link to join Show & Tell Live to show off your projects! https://streamyard.com/r5b55enb47

Good evening 👋

[upbeat coral]

Hey Y'll

[nova totem]

Evening everyone

[split gazelle]

greetings and salutations

[tulip canyon]

Hello everyone

[sage aspen]

WE ARE LIVE! SHOW and TELL https://www.youtube.com/live/9g8aoUYH1oU?si=JsZMHemCUociW_hQ

[rapid hornet]

👋

[nova totem]

I want to do something like that for a sports jersey, super cool.

[robust horizon]

third time's the charm, scott

[split gazelle]

pyserial would be amazing

that’s really cool @robust horizon

[robust horizon]

SEM, meaning an electron microscope for high schools? wow. didn't have that at mine.

[nova totem]

That is what I was just thinking

[robust horizon]

we didn't get all the audio but it was a good tour just visually 🙂

[tulip canyon]

Really get a sense of "scale" of that marine biology lab

[split gazelle]

thanks for hosting @sage aspen

[upbeat coral]

Thanks to all for taking time for us.

[tulip canyon]

Thanks all for sharing

[sage aspen]

You're welcome. Thanks everybody for stopping by and showing off your projects.

[open girder]

ASK AN ENGINEER 4/3/2024 LIVE! https://youtu.be/B8iTHITtzNo

10% discount code, code is: analogmatrix http://www.adafruit.com ends at midnight NYC time

[tulip canyon]

That board-lapse was cool. Sesame Street-esk

[nova totem]

The joys of children sharing all the germs they pick up

[verbal river]

🌡🤧💊🍲

[gray obsidian]

plop

[tulip canyon]

902 .IO

[slow spire]

hello all!

[timid plover]

Looking forward to the announcement of the Adafruit floppsy project. https://circuitpython.org/board/adafruit_floppsy_rp2040/

[rigid crag]

i'm so excited for the floppy project

I have boxes of old 5.25 and 3.5 floppies to archive

big shoutout for the timing on the battery charging project, I was just starting to reseach that very thing and now it's all been documented

[nova totem]

I remember those coding books as a kid, write all these games... and we won't teach you anything just give you code to type

[dim knot]

https://learn.adafruit.com/guides/latest

[rigid crag]

oh my, that's why I want to read the floppies, so many CP/M and TRS-80 lovingly typed basic games on them

[nova totem]

I remember typing many in for the C64

[gray obsidian]

adoption?

nice to see RISC-V getting traction… it's not like SPARC isn't open but eh 🙂

[tulip canyon]

Question: Why have microcontrollers not adopted 5.0 GHz and is there a risk of 2.4 GHz being dropped in future routers?

[rigid crag]

think of matter as being the packet definition that is transport agnostic

[dim knot]

Adafruit Gift Certificates https://www.adafruit.com/product/3331

[turbid hill]

There is a expressif ESP-IDF ext for Visual Studio code

[tulip canyon]

Doesn't Really Matter™ - Platinum Blonde 1984

[rigid crag]

I wonder if you could use AdafruitIO and webhooks to stitch together these items

[gray obsidian]

ATZ0

seriously? wow that's so retro 🙂

[rigid crag]

I love that the AT command set has stuck around for so long

[slow spire]

@open girder Looks like Espressif announced a WiFi dual-band a while back: https://www.espressif.com/en/news/ESP32-C5

[dim knot]

Adafruit ESP32-C6 Feather - STEMMA QT https://www.adafruit.com/product/5933

[robust horizon]

yeah but +++ATH doesn't harm anybody anymore 🙂

[dim knot]

ELECFREAKS Retro Programming Arcade for micro:bit V2 - micro:bit V2 Not Included https://www.adafruit.com/product/5895

[gray obsidian]

woa so the Micro:Bit can be useful 😄

[dim knot]

Vivid Unit: Versatile Single-Board Computer with Touchscreen https://www.adafruit.com/product/5894

[gray obsidian]

oh OK Cortex-A

LCARS HomeAssistant UI…

[dim knot]

Mini Brass Hot Plate Preheater with USB-C PD or DC - MHP50-B5 https://www.adafruit.com/product/5903

[nova totem]

I love the other plate, so handy

[gray obsidian]

that's tiney

I'll never fit my Amiga motherboard on that 😅

[rigid crag]

whenever I start designing my board, someone is going to get rich because my hands are NEVER going to be able to solder surface mount items

[turbid hill]

I suspect the board uses eMMC storage

[dim knot]

RJ-12 or RJ-11 Telephone Round Panel Mount Extension Cable https://www.adafruit.com/product/5844

Adafruit ADG728 1-to-8 Analog Matrix Switch - Stemma QT https://www.adafruit.com/product/5899

[gray obsidian]

what's the max bandwidth?

works with composite? 🤔

[verbal river]

Yeah, I was thinking "too small for a Eurorack module" 😄

[gray obsidian]

from the datasheet: 2.5 Ω On Resistance, -3dB bandwidth 100 MHz typical

nice

[dim knot]

Adafruit ADG729 Dual 1-to-4 Analog Matrix Switch https://www.adafruit.com/product/5932

[gray obsidian]

now for an RGB mod on TV sets if I need to interpose the neck board I'd need higher Vcc though

[slow spire]

@open girder Do you think the snap-in headers would be OK to solder in, later?

[tulip kestrel]

so i buyed an fm radio i2c device. the first buy i got a stiff black wire but the 2nd one i got a yellow lose wire. is it possible to send me the stiff black wire to me pleases?

[gray obsidian]

brb, shower 🚿

[rigid crag]

what is the product number for the snap-in headers?

[hearty gyro]

Seems like those headers may damage the holes a bit.

[rigid crag]

less damage than my soldering skills ;)

[hearty gyro]

😀

[viral sail]

Question: is Adafruit doing anything for the eclipse?

[tulip canyon]

Be safe 😎 Use a pin-hole

[hearty gyro]

I started solding in a 16-pin header backwards a few days ago. I had done 3 pins at one end and 4 at the other. Great fun desoldering it and getting the holes cleaned out so I could resinert it the right way. My solder sucker does not suck!

[nova totem]

In a few million years it will move and we won't have eclipses, forget the exact number

[robust horizon]

goodnight all

[verbal river]

Bye

[viral sail]

Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌞 🌚 🌎

[tulip canyon]

Thanks @open girder Get well! Have a great week all

[rigid crag]

go rest up @open girder

[nova totem]

Get better soon

[upbeat coral]

Thank you for taking time for us

[rigid crag]

thank you for doing this for us

[slow spire]

Thanks, Adafruit!

[drowsy inlet]

thanks!

[hearty gyro]

10% off until midnight?!?! There goes my budget!

[rigid crag]

I have terrible planning - I just ordered a bunch of stuff yesterday 🤦

[gray obsidian]

n8!

[haughty quiver]

https://blog.adafruit.com/2024/04/04/no-john-parks-workshop-today-4-4-24/

[inner spade]

Eclipse related solar flares.

[lavish patrol]

I am disappoint.

[lilac tusk]

@haughty quiver teenage mutant ninja Lars disapproves and will be finding you 😅

[haughty quiver]

Uh oh

[unique herald]

@cinder wind has anyone modified these buttons with a brighter LED? I found that even if you drive the blue button at 12v it is very dim. The red button is better but at 5v it's not well lit. At 3.3v the opacity of the button leads to very little "glow"

[cinder wind]

time for a neopixel transplant! 🫠

[unique herald]

@cinder wind this is a great tear-down https://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=60099. I'm trying to disassemble one now to get the intermediate colored disc out to see if more light gets through. I could put a brighter T5 LED + resistor in there as well. Seems like this "problem" is oft highlighted in the forums. Many people highlight the problem (e.g. low light output) but I haven't found an example of someone showing off a working fix

[deep scarab]

Many of these have a resistor soldered to one of the internal LED legs - I'd take the button apart, measure the resistor, and maybe change it out to drive the LED with more current (careful to not overcurrent it, though!). The button lenses/covers can also be pretty thick and I recall the blue lenses being particularly opaque. So if you have a 3D printer, you could also try printing a more translucent lens.

[unique herald]

yup, after disassembling I learned the diffuser lenses on the red and blue buttons are very thick. +100 on your advice and I'll post results if successful so others can see the before/after. Since I have one completely disassembled, I'll likely for funzies try @cinder wind's suggestion of a neopixel transplant 🤪

[deep scarab]

I'd love to see one with a neopixel! I think it would be the bees knees.

[timid plover]

greetings deep divers

[still bane]

hi

[unreal bay]

Ooh USB time 🤩 hey all

How longs your real slot

[sand lotus]

Howdy ☕

[brazen grove]

aloha

[inner spade]

👋

[left pier]

👋

[timid plover]

yep - get your priorities - do the talk practice first

so you would probably like to defer questions till after the 25 minutes?

just ignore us for a while 🙂 - we can type away

[nova totem]

who gets to play the part of the one person who insists on asking a question in the middle

[inner spade]

We just had our Covid boosters inserted this morning. We’re conference season ready!

[sand lotus]

Will you be taking a tripod camera and making sure you have your own recording?

[wind spoke]

Should you remove chat window?

[left pier]

🍿

[gusty wedge]

Practice Hi from Costa Rica.

[grand tusk]

10m

20m

23m

25m

[gusty wedge]

uf2 does have ota update support. It's just not in yet.

[unreal bay]

Smashed it

[sand lotus]

we don't have bugs in circuit python, just happy accidents

[left pier]

That was great.. suggestion. Move the app links to the and after your where we're at roadmap slide so you have more time.

[nova totem]

Good job. This reminds me I have to play with BLE and WifI workflows more as I have devices that could use both

[left pier]

yeah, just all the links at the end

[glad mortar]

was a good talk 🙂

I definitely know more now!

[unreal bay]

PyLeap looks exactly what people need, I'm afraid of leaving people to fend for themselves with a lot of this stuff

[glad mortar]

yea but I missed half of it last week haha

[nova totem]

My computer case LED controller was built using an nRF52 for the BLE control

[sand lotus]

It was far more refined than last week. Excellent presentation and representation of how circuit python really is.

[glad mortar]

yea felt like you got it

[nova totem]

Have a phone/watch/clock/timer or something you can see if they do not have one for you

[timid plover]

did you figure out how to make the pdf smaller ?

[sand lotus]

Put it in 1 giantly long JPEG and then zoom in on the text. Might work?

[brazen grove]

goodnight

[wind spoke]

Google has a new jpeg lib.

[left pier]

https://www.adobe.com/acrobat/online/compress-pdf.html

[sand lotus]

oh i didn't know it wasn't supported in circuit python yet.

[wind spoke]

There is also a QT Py version comming (Top Secret).

[sand lotus]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/5858

I have one, shows that I haven't even plugged it in and tried to use it yet. 😅

[timid plover]

each show-and-tell improved progress 🙂

[sand lotus]

this must have been what you meant in dev chat where you were talking about SPI working as an interrupt which just sounds wacky.

[timid plover]

so how are you sharing the shared serial port resource?

did you say that just the SPI serial was shared, or could the interrupt line potentially be shared?

so on the doubler - which wires go between the two boards? ( does the learn guide come later? 🙂 )

[wind spoke]

Will it work with the RP2040 USB-Host Feather?

Jepler did put a Feather RP2040 USB Host and a Feather DVI to create a CP/M emulator (but it was Arduino).

https://learn.adafruit.com/rp2040-runcpm-emulator-with-usb-keyboard-hdmi-screen

[glad mortar]

does CPY have any form of concurrent execution atm?

like when its not run by an RTOS

are those guranteed to run in certain interval or is it best effort whenever you are free?

haha gotcha

but sounds like you could eventually use some concept of threading behind the scenes eventually?
Sounds quite complicated to maintain things that have real-time'ish needs like that, esp. if you ever have multiple things like that

[unreal bay]

When you disable the interrupt, should that be before adding the interrupt task, to avoid low level retriggering

[glad mortar]

I'm holding myself back to suggest Zephyr haha

[unreal bay]

Lol, love a deep dive "do I know that..."

[nova totem]

When in doubt throw in RUN_BACKGROUND_TASKS 🙂 At least that is my trouble shooting

race conditions are fun...

[glad mortar]

you can cut it down pretty well 🙂

like ignore the subsystems you don't want

Zephyr is adding some very important stuff in 3.7 for those multi core and multi core multi arch systems. Arm mixed with RiscV is really common with lots of upcomming chips which I find interesting

quite a lot of things changed the past 2y I'd say, loads more vendors joined too

yea they started with first parts Zephyr support which I find exciting

[gusty wedge]

For the milkv duo you can load them with a 1Ghz core riscv64 + 700mhz riscv64, or you can load up with the 700mhz riscv64 but turn on arm core :p

[glad mortar]

heh nice

[gusty wedge]

Which btw, the 256M ram version of the milkv duos have been shipped to me, waiting for them to get to CR.

[unreal bay]

Just spotted max instances set to two for max3421 in cpy define.
Does that mean dual feather-wing support?

Oh got you

Definitely (use Hub)

[glad mortar]

wait, how does it even support multiple devices? Or as in multiple of these chips?

[unreal bay]

Yeah multiple max3421e's

[glad mortar]

(I may have missed some part)

[glad mortar]

ah ty

yea no for sure, just use a hub

the fringe cases where a hub does not solve it are "please submit PR" level type stuff I'd say

[unreal bay]

Yeah, or get new hub 😉
What's 'rh' short for in "rh port"

Ah thanks

[glad mortar]

you might want to handle more endpoints than are possible with a single IC but thats a pretty involved application

[nova totem]

The arms raised in triumph while coding is always a good feeling

[glad mortar]

nice

[nova totem]

Ah the arms throwing the keyboard across the room in frustration 🙂

[unreal bay]

So theoretically, the rp2040 plus airlift feather-wing plus usb host feather-wing would work 🤞

Noone does

[timid plover]

checkpoint on success 🙂

[unreal bay]

Did you see the AT commands for matter setup, made sense, but also my heart sank

[timid plover]

is in in the organized boxes?

you are ahead of us

[left pier]

I've not been by in a while, and you and the team have done a lot of cool stuff!
Pyleap as an example. You're going to do great at PyCascades.

Congrats and thanks for the stream as always!

[gusty wedge]

The new salt batteries have less energetic density but they might be nice for wearables.

[simple fractal]

Seattle and static? seems impossible

[timid plover]

so there isn't a e-ink pybadge ?

[nova totem]

I just learned to touch my case to ground myself religiously as it can get so dry here

[glad mortar]

more conductive ground + less on your feet can already do quite a lot to reduce issues

[timid plover]

magtag?

[gusty wedge]

For anti-static I used to required those mats and bracelet in an old office that had a carpet and an AC.

[simple fractal]

I'm in Montreal this week, and it has snowed and is now raining, No static issues

[glad mortar]

yea thats what I meant, floor that has a better path to ground

[wind spoke]

Ghost of electronics?

[glad mortar]

or wear anti static band but thats so annoying imo

[timid plover]

magtag instead of pybadge is what I meant

wireless workflow on magtag ?

[simple fractal]

as a teen i built my own anti-static bracelet. Then (luckily) learnt that one wasnt supposed to tie yourself directly to a metal ground but through some resistance.

[unreal bay]

6.3

[glad mortar]

4.x

[sand lotus]

7.3.3

[gusty wedge]

circuitpython 0.0.1, then one that only had finish keyboard. Oh no wait, that's another project I'm thinking off.

[still bane]

re static: my current desk setup is an anti-static wrist strap clipped to one of the wires that plug into a ground pin socket of a surge protector. It's pretty handy as I can keep the bracelet next to my usb cable and touch it before touching boards

[glad mortar]

the supercon 2019 one was the same but diff. silkscreen I think?

[still bane]

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/desco/09838/3043259

[sand lotus]

Get a 2nd camera for overhead views? You won't have to contort to show off boards anymore.

[gusty wedge]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4405

https://www.adafruit.com/product/5911

[sand lotus]

Having a pre 1.0 board would be pretty neat.

[gusty wedge]

Have a great talk at pycascades, and also enjoy the zephyr stuff.

[unreal bay]

Thanks Scott

[glad mortar]

have a great weekend and good luck with your talk!

[sand lotus]

Thank you for the stream. Have fun at PyCascades!

[timid plover]

have fun this weekend - thanks

[gusty wedge]

We need replicas made

[simple fractal]

Thanks Scott.

[sand lotus]

Actually a beta version of less than 1.0 sounds like bugs everywhere, nvm I take it back.

[clever summit]

🇸🇪 👋

[smoky island]

I am getting started for the morning now, working on some refactoring inside of Circup. You can follow along on twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch or YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s4KHU2ADMk

[sand lotus]

Good morning. Got my ☕

[clever summit]

Drinking coffee in a Bitluni's Lab cup. 🙂

[sand lotus]

all of circup was in 1 file? had no idea.

[clever summit]

Yup.

[sand lotus]

Bitluni is part of the greater maker community. I'm familiar with him too. Loved his giant LED ping pong ball wall matrix.

[clever summit]

He made 3 different versions of the LED wall.

[sand lotus]

and ping pong ball shooter, i mean when you have that many ping pong balls i guess you'll find other projects to do with them. 😛

[clever summit]

That is true!

He made the ping pong ball shooter controllable by YT live chat, and I managed to hit him in the head. 😆

[sand lotus]

how about --upgrade? I"m more used to that with PIP.

ah that's cool didn't know that. Unexpected Maker has a YT controllable RC tank. i love stuff like that. it's amazing what people can do with API's.

[inner spade]

👋

[sand lotus]

After watching your video on board specific stubs it inspired me to create a way to automate pip and stubs updates for Python https://adafruit-playground.com/u/DJDevon3/pages/automating-pip-circuitpython-stubs-updates-for-windows-users Not sure if you've seen it yet or not. Definitely inspired from your video.

you still spelled verbose incorrectly. versose..

that would be kind of a dream goal to have the board just pull everything it needs... with beta versions being optional. update all the things all at once.

though if you're working on libraries and it overwrites your custom libraries that would be bad. there might be too many caveats to make it practical for developers but for beginners it would be extremely helpful.

if you updated all the things yeah

[clever summit]

Sure would need something like that for Arduino. Especially for those stupid libraries like TFT_eSPI that forces you to put a setup file in the library folder itself.

[sand lotus]

manual board name override might be helpful for a new board port.

[brazen chasm]

🇸🇪 👋

[sand lotus]

snowballstemmer? ok i'm curious too.

Pylint and I are currently not on speaking terms. We're taking a break from each other.

found this on stack click.echo(click.style("Error", fg="red") + ": This error is...")

no idea what click.style is

nvm you got it

Here's where I found it if you want to give them a thumbs up. I don't have a stack login so I never do. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49194147/how-to-set-only-one-word-in-a-specific-color-using-click-secho

How to check for an empty tuple if it doesn't return none and is just empty?

if {bundle}= "" or "()"?

ah interesting, would have never thought of that. kinda brilliant.

that's awesome just added a new trick to my bag, thank you.

[rigid crag]

oof - that logger parameter needs a default of None

having a default of none would allow it to not fail horribly if someone has decided to run this code without a logging environment

it's passed in probably to prevent the shared code from assuming it's in a logging configured environment

[sand lotus]

isnt' there something that specifies the version to use? maybe that's a repo git.config or something. i've seen somewhere where the versions are specified.

I was thinking of .pre-commit-config.yaml in a repo.

it can use a specific version that might not be the latest. ```py

• repo: https://github.com/fsfe/reuse-tool
  rev: v1.1.2
  hooks:

that's Tim's sad face where he knows there probably won't be a solution

see it wasn't that bad.

yes mpycross went through a major overhaul from 8 to 9 to the point we had to use PY files with the beta 9 for a while.

i think the same thing happened from 7 to 8 as well so it wouldn't surprise me if if happened 6 to 7 too.