if I put together two Feather M4s, that'll get me a little more than a M7 I think
#live-broadcast-chat
cinder wind
robust horizon
I have no idea what the bear is saying but I love it
ashen hound
It reminds me of the movie Ted
waxen thistle
if I put together two Feather M4s, that'll get me a little more than a M7 I thin...
In series or parallel?
grim robin
peekaboo
sand lotus
The hiding is adorable
sand lotus
sand lotus
TED might end up being the first iRobot
robust horizon
bear is always listening
viral sail
sage aspen
Thanks. I was about to say I'm working on a guide for it this next week.
robust horizon
@dreamy sluice probably out of scope but I was thinking maybe if you gave the bear's hand a little squeeze when you wanted to talk to it..
ashen hound
Yes. Use a capacitive sensor or something
cinder wind
oh great talking cute teddy bear hooked up to an A.I. ...
ashen hound
I believe thats how the Ted Bear toy works
cinder wind
@sage aspen that's really cute!
sage aspen
Yeah, there's a built-in button on the foot and I was thinking about making use of it @robust horizon
robust horizon
Thank you Loren—your name comes up a lot but it was good to put a face to the name
sand lotus
WipperSnapper is quite amazing.
cinder wind
a "robot liar"? didn't we just have ChatGPT on?
dim wigeon
That’s REALLY cool!
nova totem
Amazing to it all together
tulip canyon
Wonderful Liz
raw tapir
Next up: Vulcan lute!
sand lotus
Beautiful project liz. Just getting your hands on a lyre had to be hard let alone to roboticize one.
time to go with DDR like the Pi has for the iMX? the speed gap is pretty big.
@rapid hornet So does this mean you solved why it was running slower/faster from the bounty last week?
cinder wind
whoa huge improvement @rapid hornet!
sand lotus
great work scott! gotta love benchmarks!
rapid hornet
time to go with DDR like the Pi has for the iMX? the speed gap is pretty big.
onboard ram is still better than external ddr I think
rapid hornet
<@252717193496756235> So does this mean you solved why it was running slower/fas...
ya.... I had messed with the clock that measured the benchmark runtime
sand lotus
Flavio this is for logging water level heights?
The military uses vuclanizing tape and liquid rubber for waterproofing... even on Navy ships... It's extremely water and salt intrusion proof.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with prototyping with cardboard.
If you want to water proof that's true, no better authority on hand than Erin St. Mermaid.
grim robin
nice! I will definitely check out the guide, Erin
sand lotus
Sai's light up Pi symbol last weeks is a beautiful PCB design. Great designs Sai!
hot frigate
nice! I will definitely check out the guide, Erin
Nice project!
tulip canyon
Awesome @ashen hound - I wanted to try the BME688 AI stuff
grim robin
thanks! @sand lotus yeah, the ultrasonic sensor vaule is sent via Lora, together with the temperature, battery and an id
ashen hound
Sai's light up Pi symbol last weeks is a beautiful PCB design. Great designs Sa...
Thanks!
rapid hornet
oooh! with faster flash: ```
┏━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┳━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┳━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┳━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┓
┃ Test ┃ Time ┃ Score ┃ Ref Time ┃
┡━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━╇━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━╇━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━╇━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┩
│ perf_bench/bm_chaos.py │ 30186.00±0.1% │ 1656.40±0.1% │ 131376.00±0.1% │
│ perf_bench/bm_float.py │ 4497.75±0.5% │ 33350.75±0.5% │ 30825.50±0.4% │
│ perf_bench/bm_nqueens.py │ 85106.12±0.2% │ 11750.07±0.2% │ 111236.12±0.1% │
│ perf_bench/bm_pidigits.py │ 9426.00±0.2% │ 3713.16±0.2% │ 40975.50±0.2% │
│ perf_bench/misc_pystone.py │ 40912.75±0.1% │ 7332.69±0.1% │ 70996.50±0.1% │
└────────────────────────────┴───────────────┴───────────────┴────────────────┘
almost 4x on pidigits!
grim robin
asyncio rules!
ashen hound
Awesome <@310516482557739019> - I wanted to try the BME688 AI stuff
It is so easy to use. Took about 2 hours worth of data to build odor classification
sand lotus
Nice to see @open surge again! His music projects are awesome. Not too keen on using Telnet though. Telnet should be illegal. Please consider switching to SSH.
cinder wind
the epic echo is also very entertaining
viral sail
Great projects everyone. Thanks for sharing.
waxen thistle
Thanks everyone for sharing! And thanks to Erin and JP for hosting!
sand lotus
I love Paul's spotify integrations, they're very well done.
open surge
If you happen to have a Denon receiver...: https://github.com/prcutler/circuitpython-denon-remote-control
cinder wind
cool gizmo @open surge!
grim robin
ty all! always fun
nova totem
Great projects everyone
verbal river
Cool projects!
upbeat coral
Thanks to all for taking time for us
tulip canyon
Thanks all - great projects
open surge
cool gizmo <@273162248615100417>!
thanks!
sand lotus
Thanks for hosting Erin & JP!
raw tapir
Great projects and guest hosts! 🙂
sand lotus
Ohhh the Telnet is just locally to the Denon receiver?
open surge
Yup
sand lotus
ah ok whew
open surge
or you can send a post request over XML for some commands, but it's much slower
cinder wind
yuk
grim robin
@sand lotus I forgot to share the link to the code and pics for that project. It is here: https://github.com/flavio-fernandes/lora-ben
grim robin
better late than never 🙂
open surge
Darn, I was hoping we would be able to control your music. 😄
Ha! That would be kind of funny
sand lotus
Amazing project Flavio please keep us updated with the progress. LORA projects are awesome!
open surge
let me just add that to the DMZ
open girder
WE ARE LIVE! ASK AN ENGINEER! https://youtu.be/1n-h6k39CUc
sand lotus
I got my sma to rp-sma adapter for my lora antenna's this week. HUGE difference.
verbal river
🎵
sand lotus
That sounds so nice Liz. ❤️
mellow arrow
QUESTION: I need to design a SAMD11 demo board (for my next Coding 101 lessons). Have you ever done a SAMD11 board ... and hopefully published it?
dim knot
nova totem
Note to self: hitting refresh to load the new stream will actually have it start oops
rich wing
redbook!? redbook?
Glad I'm not the only one that went there 😄
gray obsidian
robots dancing together?
sand lotus
Teddy BS
tulip canyon
Used Teddy Ruxpins on ebay are super pricey 💰 💵
sand lotus
Teddy Bear Speak
open girder
chat g B t (b is for bear)
rich wing
chat g B t (b is for bear)
that's a terrifying yet very interesting idea...
sand lotus
That desk of lady helped me soooo much ❤️
gray obsidian
Marchintosh is full-speed now!
cinder wind
QUESTION: I need to design a SAMD11 demo board (for my next Coding 101 lessons)....
bobricus did a SAMD11 product a while back https://www.tindie.com/products/bobricius/dixi-arduino-sam-arm-d11-usb-stick/
gray obsidian
- Prints are simulated pictures.
viral sail
Imagine what you can do with all those kilopixels!
gray obsidian
TAM speaker
sand lotus
taking pictures of paper... this is why grandma and grandpa try to share screenshots by taking photos of their monitors.
waxen thistle
Vintage digital cameras -- it's not uncommon to come across perfectly usable cameras that are 5-10-15 years old.
Try finding a planned-obsolescence mobile phone w/ camera that works after four years of use... 📸
gray obsidian
ActionRetro on Youtube added cards and CPU upgrades on his TAM, and also changed the speaker fabric.
sand lotus
reminds me of Myst
cinder wind
MULTIMEDIA
waxen thistle
I was just thinking that too -- totally Myst
mellow arrow
bobricus did a SAMD11 product a while back https://www.tindie.com/products/bobri...
Yes. Unfortunately there is no design materials published. I'm hoping to find an example design as a starting point for a SAMD11
dim wigeon
That was a very philosophical commercial, somehow…
cinder wind
Yes. Unfortunately there is no design materials published. I'm hoping to find an...
if you click on the "Datasheet" link, the Eagle files are published, but yeah pretty thin otherwise
gray obsidian
The TAM is actually mostly laptop parts in a fancy case.
tulip canyon
Dungeon Master's Guide
gray obsidian
Oh, technical documentation like every vendor should publish.
haughty quiver
Lol that Strata Studio 3D looking Mac intro video
gray obsidian
you're back!
waxen thistle
Live demo gremlins!
mellow arrow
if you click on the "Datasheet" link, the Eagle files are published, but yeah pr...
I clicked "documentation" and it took me to a Hackaday.io page 🤔
sand lotus
i like how there are hand drawn pages
waxen thistle
Lars, why are you gnawing on their cables?
sand lotus
legit Woz work!
cinder wind
I clicked "documentation" and it took me to a Hackaday.io page 🤔
sorry I meant "datasheet" link
verbal river
You didn't have to type it in, it's the ROM listings.
sand lotus
did they include a floppy with it or did they actually make you type it all out?
gray obsidian
Steve from Mac84 on YT does rounds of scanning and floppy archiving to put on archive.org and macintoshgarden.org
turbid hill
that was on the apple 2 MB that socket she showed
gray obsidian
The blue stripe on the sticker looks off on the sides
sand lotus
Please store that in a plastic bag, vacuum packed preferably. That's a rare piece of history.
gray obsidian
🤤
mellow arrow
sorry I meant "datasheet" link
I must be blind. I still don't see a "datasheet" link
gray obsidian
This probably wasn't drawn on an Apple II though. IIRC Woz was at HP before, and had access to some of their stuff
mellow arrow
Wow! That is weird. I see "documentation" but not "datasheet"
waxen thistle
Wow! That is weird. I see "documentation" but not "datasheet"
possible adblocker enabled?
cinder wind
Wow! That is weird. I see "documentation" but not "datasheet"
so weird! The link is https://d3s5r33r268y59.cloudfront.net/datasheets/8772/2017-01-18-22-01-08/d11.zip
sand lotus
Can we get a printed version of the Adafruit Bones board? 🙂
cinder wind
omg the Apple ][ cursor flashing was done with a 555!??!?!
tulip canyon
Apple records didn't like it
dim wigeon
@cinder wind everything’s done with a 555. 😆
rich wing
it's what makes discord work!
dim knot
What is CircuitPython? https://learn.adafruit.com/welcome-to-circuitpython/what-is-circuitpython
nova totem
I think (hope) the last gif fix PR is in progress. After a small fight with git
clever eagle
Hi all
dim wigeon
@nova totem I hope you were victorious in that fight…but git doesn’t always fight fair.
nova totem
<@228322543507865601> I hope you were victorious in that fight…but git doesn’t a...
It's in the queue to build so I hope so. Git rebase always trips me up
dim wigeon
It's in the queue to build so I hope so. Git rebase always trips me up
I don’t know that I’ve ever had a successful Git rebase.
sand lotus
The GC9A01 library for the circular displays used for eye projects in Halloween is part of the community bundle.
Don't forget you have to run Black and Pylint on a library first before submitting to make sure the code is in an Adafruit friendly format.
haughty quiver
i ❤️ circup
tulip canyon
Circup is awesome.
clever eagle
me too
tulip canyon
I want a circup for CP versions
open girder
10% discount code, code is: redbook http://www.adafruit.com
tulip canyon
Harps have 47 strings. This would be an out lyre
dim wigeon
I’ll bet a robot Autoharp would be possible, though you’d need a LOT of servos.
sand lotus
yeah but harps weigh far too much for a flight of stairs... i'd carry a lyre and Liz made it sound just as beautiful.
rich wing
A standard harp has 47 strings and 7 pedals....
sand lotus
though there are things called elevators now but not all buildings have them.
dim wigeon
Yamaha had a MIDI controlled grand piano line for a while, so if you’re willing to use enough servos I guess anything is possible…
cinder wind
so I'm hearing Imma have a challenge getting the nrf700x working on my Apple ][
turbid hill
lol
tulip canyon
Still have one of those
sand lotus
I switched from the Nano to Metro Mini after the FTDI thing.
tulip canyon
Dusty - "You last purchased this item on April 23, 2014."
sand lotus
castellated pads for drop in modules is always welcomed!
robust horizon
hi all! just catching up as I missed the first part of ask an engineer because I needed to make dinner .. & another chatgpt project, "press button, get superpower". needs polish but it's a solid start. (circuitpython of course)
open girder
hah! love it, a magic 8 ball for super powers!
sand lotus
It's going to take a while to remember to say NRF70 instead of NRF52... muscle memory lol.
robust horizon
amazing to be able to write something like this in 30 minutes, that leaves plenty of time to polish (prior experience with chatgpt api is priceless though)
clever eagle
that's a nice touch handling onboarding
cinder wind
Seems like someone's gonna build a ChatGPT-powered " Young Lady's Illustrated Primer " soon
sand lotus
basically wake packets?
clever eagle
did any of you see the short scifi story GPT-4 and I made? Far out
robust horizon
@clever eagle no, I missed it
clever eagle
I will find link
sand lotus
looks durable and backwards compatible, good offering NRF!
dreamy notch
@open girder Does anyone make breadboards with more columns? It's quite common to find them with more rows, but when used with MCU breakouts instead of DIP chips every "standard" breadboard has columns hidden underneath the MCU board.
e.g: 1+3 (QT, KB2040), 2+2 (PiPico), or 2+3 (Feather) columns hidden
robust horizon
thanks I'll give it a read
clever eagle
after the show I'll post to it on LinkedIn
robust horizon
@dreamy notch sometimes I just use 2 breadboards with the inner supply rails removed, when working with wide modules
clever eagle
and/or twitter
balmy steppe
Question: Hi, sorry to be that one guy that asks this, but just curious how the progress is going on the next AdaBox?
robust horizon
sure
nova totem
ah black marks to indicate something, I'm getting flashbacks to my job programming lottery terminals.
dreamy notch
<@903012246073016380> sometimes I just use 2 breadboards with the inner supply r...
a band-aid solution, yes, but they're still not contiguous rows ☹️
sand lotus
@dreamy notch This is the biggest one Adafruit has, it's pretty big. https://www.adafruit.com/product/443
dim wigeon
Random question: I usually see PCB designs as 2 or 4 layer. I know there are boards with more layers, but curious if there are any limitations on the maximum number of layers a PCB can have (beyond manufacturing cost and complexity)?
lavish frost
Q: What happens to your prototype boards once they've been turned into a product in production? Is there a bin of green PCBs somewhere in the HQ or what?
sand lotus
You can easily get 2 or more and chain them together np.
tulip canyon
ah black marks to indicate something, I'm getting flashbacks to my job programmi...
I worked with barcodes on ski tickets
clever eagle
Twitter
nova totem
I worked with barcodes on ski tickets
If I never see another barcode again... i2of5, pdf417, qr... and so many more
clever eagle
i need one or two e-ink rp2040
dreamy notch
<@903012246073016380> This is the biggest one Adafruit has, it's pretty big. ht...
It's still wired like 3 long breadboards side-by side, so you'd need to jumper from one set to the next, losing those 2 spots. I'd love to find something that has 10-wide rows, not 5-wide
mellow arrow
@cinder wind I just searched through the adafruit github and didn't find any examples for SAMD11. I think I will need to cast my net wider.
sand lotus
You can take them apart from the bottom, cut it up, and wire them together however you want. I'm not sure about an actual product you can buy that has wider rows.
clever eagle
i have the tri-color but not the other
wraith thunder
Hey Ladyada what is this?
dreamy notch
That's the problem I'm running into, I haven't found an actual product yet that's simply made that way
clever eagle
new e-ink feathery thigs
cinder wind
<@352910176736772096> I just searched through the adafruit github and didn't fin...
yeah, not many people used the SAMD11. I made a little hacky board a long time ago: https://github.com/todbot/samd11toy
sand lotus
question: any idea how much more power the larger e-ink displays require vs a smaller e-ink?
mellow arrow
yeah, not many people used the SAMD11. I made a little hacky board a long time ...
Thanks. I look thru your archive.
dreamy notch
IDK..but, my guess is not much, as it's not an illuminated display, so it's more processor/RAM intensive than power.
cinder wind
Thanks. I look thru your archive.
here's another one: https://www.tindie.com/products/ataradov/cmsis-dap-compliant-swd-debugger/
sand lotus
Brent's guide on updating the NIna firmware on the airlifts works great btw.
robust horizon
how many top secrets are there? I'm getting fatigued.
clever eagle
all of them
turbid hill
haha
open girder
3 more 🙂
nova totem
oooo indoor positioning
robust horizon
y'all so busy
cinder wind
Limor's on a tear
dim knot
clever eagle
but I don't want to be thrown out of the chocolate factory
balmy steppe
Thanks all!
dreamy notch
Thanks for answering my Q even though it had been discussed here already 🙂
echo canopy
Question @open girder
Typically boards have a cuttable trace if you want to do something like disable an LED on the board .. do use see ultra mini switches becoming small and cheap enough to allow a faster change Or avoid re-soldering.?
dreamy notch
If we can have only 7-layer burritos, I don't think we can have more layers in a PCB! 😆
waxen thistle
Thanks for another excellent show!
open surge
good show, thank you!
dim wigeon
Thanks everyone!
robust horizon
thanks and goodnight!
clever eagle
That you @open girder
upbeat coral
Thank you for taking time for us
viral sail
Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌒
tulip canyon
Thanks @open girder and community - Have a great week
turbid hill
There is mention of 100 layer pcb boards
thin vessel
apparently PCBs with almost 100 layers can be made
sand lotus
Thank you. The extended top secret was a banner episode, so many new things on the horizon!
thin vessel
supercomputers used high layer count boards
robust horizon
that's 1 layer per community library
dim wigeon
@turbid hill Wow. I wonder if capacitance between the layers becomes a problem at that point. 🤔
thin vessel
apparently some layers are almost always going to be ground and power layers in that kind of thing, possibly multiple ground and power planes
dim wigeon
That makes sense.
sand lotus
Can also have specialty multi-layer silkscreens done too. Kingpins PCB boombox had 7 silkscreen layers.
It was about $2K per board though. 😬
thin vessel
I think when you are getting to lots of layers, you are basically routing circuitry in 3D. most components are still going to have to be on the surface, you've just got 3 dimensions to route the connections in to pack a lot of components in limited space
random sand
I had a quick take 100, doubt I still have it though.
lavish patrol
Greetings, all. 👋
open surge
good afternoon
haughty quiver
hello!
waxen thistle
Good afternoon all you wonderful people!
lavish patrol
I was 24 hours early this week. I tuned of for John park's Workshop yesterday; couldn't figure out why it wasn't on. Then I was like "Oh, it's only Wednesday!"
haughty quiver
LOL
waxen thistle
Time is relative.
waxen thistle
I've found that time flows inconsistently when things are going right (flies when having fun) and drags when things are going horribly.
viral sail
Good afternoon.
waxen thistle
So I don't know how it flows when I admit "eh, it could be worse?"
haughty quiver
hmm YouTube stream looking suss
lavish patrol
Yep, @waxen thistle
waxen thistle
twitch is a bit.....up but no audio
clever summit
🇸🇪 👋
haughty quiver
ah there we are
waxen thistle
twitch has audio
clever summit
Suss? Like it runs a crypto scam? 🙂
lavish patrol
Good morrow, @clever summit
clever summit
Evening mr. Callaway
haughty quiver
Suss? Like it runs a crypto scam? 🙂
heh it was saying "streaming great!" and showing an error message at the same time
waxen thistle
Speaking of scams, the "we've cancelled your SSN" scams are back! So enjoyable to waste hours of their time while working on other things.
lavish patrol
Evening mr. Callaway
But is it evening? We may never know... 🤔
clever summit
Depends on external stuff so who knows
lavish patrol
heh it was saying "streaming great!" and showing an error message at the same ti...
Lol. "Process successfully failed."
clever summit
What is a SSN?
ivory flax
wheww made it
waxen thistle
Yum. Jam.
lavish patrol
😋
sand lotus
The arcade buttons work as great general button switches too. I use one as a reset switch on a project.
lilac tusk
Imagine making an oversized Xbox controller for your computer that used arcade buttons lol
lavish patrol
waxen thistle
Imagine making an oversized Xbox controller for your computer that used arcade b...
There are some really amazing assistive tech projects doing exactly that
lilac tusk
Lol
sand lotus
For accessibility that’s probably a good thing.
lilac tusk
There are some really amazing assistive tech projects doing exactly that
Yeah! Though I was thinking more for comedy for messing with your friends. Though dual use would be good too
waxen thistle
I think both Microsoft and Sony have assistive tech controllers for their consoles -- and I remember hearing Nintendo might be doing the same.
lilac tusk
Hand your friends a massive Xbox controller 💀
open surge
The Xbox one is pretty cool
waxen thistle
Yeah! Though I was thinking more for comedy for messing with your friends. Thoug...
Oh, kinda like the NES controller coffee table!
sand lotus
Ohh the role icons are working now. Neat! They look great Kattni!
lilac tusk
Oh, kinda like the NES controller coffee table!
If it’s functional, why not!
split gazelle
good afternoon folks
waxen thistle
lilac tusk
@haughty quiver is lucky in that he gets the ninja Adafruit star
lilac tusk
https://stores.horiusa.com/flex-controller-for-nintendo-switch/?showHidden=true
Yeah, I’m definitely familiar with accessible controllers. Does a world of difference for making life just a little bit more enjoyable
sand lotus
I got some of the huge arcade buttons by accident. Didn’t realize they were so huge. They’re like 4” diameter.
lilac tusk
I was just thinking of one shaped like a normal Xbox one controller but like 4x larger
Just to mess with your friends/siblings when they come over to play games lol
🙂
waxen thistle
lilac tusk
I need a bigger printer to print out the massive controller lol
waxen thistle
And I'm seeing people have had luck getting the Microsoft solution to work on the Switch too.
cinder wind
dot dot dotdotdot
lavish patrol
Looks a lot easier to program than those PixelPurse displays... 🤔
cinder wind
the reds & yellows & greens make it look retro
lavish patrol
CGA colors.
viral sail
Nice CRT collection.
lavish patrol
DotLars...
sand lotus
Firewire?
cinder wind
frog(GER)🇩🇪
lilac tusk
Water wall actually
open surge
frog(GER)🇩🇪
hop across the autobahn
lilac tusk
Puts out fires on your network
lavish patrol
Lol
inner spade
And it works!
sand lotus
That’s awesome you got it working!
inner spade
… and PCB resistor color polarity was observed.
cinder wind
I love the idea of "cocktail cabinet" arcade games
like someone thought "yeah let's put these delicate electronic games in rooms with smoke and liquids!"
sand lotus
Neat mitsubishi chips.
tulip canyon
If the cartridge doesn't work, just blow on the connectors
cinder wind
oh since you have duplicate boards, maybe you could turn one back into a Scramble!
lavish patrol
That music takes me back.
cinder wind
love using old cigar boxes as project boxes
sand lotus
Yeah the spade connectors for the arcade buttons are suuuuper tight. I had the same issue. Had to pull and wiggle more than expected.
cinder wind
hop across the autobahn
now I want to make a frogger with Kraftwerk soundtrack
open surge
I can't wait for the weather to warm up so I can work on building my arcade cabinet
2 player standup arcade, modern yes with LCD (I'm lazy)
waxen thistle
hahaha, I love that sound
sand lotus
That sounds neat paul. Looking forward to hearing more about it.
lavish patrol
@haughty quiver You need a mirror. 👍
open surge
so close!
cinder wind
<@327304398143488001> You need a mirror. 👍
yeah JP, you need a mirror like what Cuckoo does in his synth videos
open surge
they've added machine learning to coin machines!
tulip canyon
Ready Player One
lavish patrol
Lol
dusk socket
You can train it to use your own tokens to keep the time your kids are playing
open surge
expensive game
dusk socket
you can get tokens from arcade company and others
sand lotus
Brilliant done.
tulip canyon
Add a Duck hunt light gun for lols
sand lotus
Next mod it to accept apple pay or bitcoin. 😆
Ive never seen frogger on a huge projector screen. Might be interesting to see a projector take for a classic display.
viral sail
Thanks @haughty quiver . Have a great weekend everyone.
waxen thistle
Thanks @haughty quiver for another awesome show! Keep froggin' it!
lavish patrol
Great workshop again, @haughty quiver 👋
open surge
thanks JP, good show!
tulip canyon
Thanks for sharing JP
haughty quiver
thanks all!
lyric frost
Thanks JP 😄
sand lotus
Thanks for the great episode.
inner spade
Thanks @haughty quiver. Amazing progress and no cap replacements!
cinder wind
thanks JP!
smoky island
I am a few minutes behind this afternoon, but getting started soon. My OBS scene got all crazy somehow
clear matrix
OBScene. (Sorry.)
lyric sphinx
:)
brazen quail
You sound good.
inner spade
👋
lyric frost
Always good advice "No pouncing!" 😄
smoky island
inner spade
Seesaw is like a GPIO expander if you use the default firmware.
lyric frost
Just using SPI pins to run I2C?
inner spade
The display data sheet indicates that the interface protocol is pin-selectable.
sand lotus
👋 been up all night, made 2 pcbs and a 3d printed design. im bushed. will fall asleep watching you though. have a good stream.
inner spade
The display data sheet indicates that the interface protocol is pin-selectable.
No jumper on the wing though
Hard wired to I2C
upper sandal
@smoky island yes fetch-submodules has changed
you need git 2.39 minimum or something
sand lotus
Was just waiting for a prototype print to finish. Bezel for the 7” Adafruit bare display.
smoky island
<@382939733107408897> yes fetch-submodules has changed
any idea how to get that on ubuntu? apt seems to report that I have the latest available version thats in it. I've never installed it any other way
inner spade
Was just waiting for a prototype print to finish. Bezel for the 7” Adafruit bare...
Very nice
lyric sphinx
Ow my head.
modern night
I've been in and out, so I could be completely off base but I am curious: are you in a custom python environment for circuit python builds? I had an issue a while back where my base environment was polluted and git and cmake weren't working well. When I created a new environment it worked, I think because the gcc compiler didn't have a bunch of conditional linking taking place that my base environment had (as a result of anaconda)
This feels like a different issue, but who knows
upper sandal
it's a version of git issue
modern night
it's a version of git issue
coolio--then ignore me 🙂
upper sandal
we should probably revert the change for now 😕
STEMMA_I2C is the cowbell's stemma QT port
yeah it's a little weird
modern night
going to head out for the evening, thanks for the lovely stream as always. Cheers all!
sand lotus
Thank you for the stream. See you for coffee tomorrow.
inner spade
Thanks!
smoky island
Starting up for the morning now. I'm going to attempt a built-in I2CDisplay. You can see how it goes on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch or YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dBitPM5SLs
inner spade
Sound is good.
The concept of creating a display peripheral in board is intriguing. Could the concept be extended to other built-in devices like an on-board accelerometer or temperature sensor?
upper sandal
hello, what are we doing today ?
sand lotus
Good morning ☕
upper sandal
oh from scratch ?
sand lotus
Would this be possible to allow any external display to use the built-in display initializations? That would be nice just so everything becomes the same for any display.
viscid wasp
Good Morning. Looks like an interesting project.
upper sandal
I'm actually not sure what you mean by that, if it's not a builtin display, you wouldn't set it up builtin
there are 2 boards with builtin I2C display
the lolin pico and the 01space ESP32-C3
yeah I use board.I2C on this board because it's shared
(like the feather TFT)
common_hal_board_create_i2c(n) is board.I2C()
sand lotus
Didn't realize a built in had to go through the whole build process and make stuff. Makes sense though. Is it just so certain pins are always reserved for the display so other GPIO cannot be used with it. Though for an I2C display I guess you could.
upper sandal
mpconfigboard.h
upper sandal
Didn't realize a built in had to go through the whole build process and make stu...
note that any display init basically calls the same function as in board.c, just through the python interface, display drivers are almost always just a set of settings and init sequence
(like colstart and such)
lolin_s2_pico is espressif too
sand lotus
That makes so much sense now. Duh. Always wondered how Adafruit built in features don't conflict. The busses are available it's just the CS pin or I2C address might be reserved.
upper sandal
That makes so much sense now. Duh. Always wondered how Adafruit built in feature...
well usually the pins are not shared, the TFT feathers are the only case I know where the display shares board.SPI
pybadge, pyportal, etc. don't have an SPI bus with broken out pins
sand lotus
Some/most have multiple spi/i2c busses but in the case there's only 1 I suppose they have no choice but to share it and reserve the address.
inner spade
I2C shares clock timing where SPI can alter clock freq and phase per device. SPI is pretty versatile for a shared bus structure.
upper sandal
the reason it's shared on the feather TFT is probably because of routing considerations, unless it ran out of pins, which seems unlikely to me
sand lotus
didn't know that, that's neat.
upper sandal
ah good point
let me check the pybadge
yeah the pybadge has dedicated SPI pins for the display, the feather header is on different pins
sand lotus
i think this is why chip manufacturers are coming out with chips that have more UART/I2C/SPI busses. It provides the developer more options plus allows user expansion.
upper sandal
yeah that does mean that one SPI peripheral can only be used exclusively for the display
every chip supported by CP has at least 2 SPI peripherals
sand lotus
I think the new iMX rt1011 has 4
upper sandal
and 2 I2C, 2 UART
@sand lotus of note:
https://docs.circuitpython.org/en/latest/shared-bindings/busio/index.html#busio.SPI
The SPI peripherals allocated in order of desirability, if possible, such as highest speed and not shared use first. For instance, on the nRF52840, there is a single 32MHz SPI peripheral, and multiple 8MHz peripherals, some of which may also be used for I2C. The 32MHz SPI peripheral is returned first, then the exclusive 8MHz SPI peripheral, and finally the shared 8MHz peripherals.
so that's not complicated at all
upper sandal
oh yeah I used hex because it was copy pasted then find-and-replaced from the python driver
(which uses a bytes string)
sand lotus
i've only loaded CP on the iMX haven't actually tried to use it yet. Still working on a 3D printed 7" enclosure to use with it.
upper sandal
yeah taht's busio.SPI/busio.I2C
well, fun fact, the RP2040 is actually the most restricted for pins, ESP can use any pin for any peripheral, atmel and NRF too with maybe some restrictions when using more than one peripheral (or some pins conflict I believe)
sand lotus
yeah busio is pretty versatile. i like how it's all in 1 main class though. much easier to work with.
when i install CP on anything for the first time the first lib i drag & drop over is bus_device
upper sandal
when i install CP on anything for the first time the first lib i drag & drop ove...
you do know it's builtin ? 😬
upper sandal
I cant show you on the matrix, we need to fix it by adding back jquery which is no longer included on readthe docs but it is
except on some M0 boards
sand lotus
that makes sense, might be a habit left over from M0 devices.
upper sandal
i... did not. 🤦♂️
that's fine, neither does circup 😉
sand lotus
isn't the point of circup knowing which libs it needs. maybe do a check for unncessary libaries? like "are you aware you don't need bus_device on this board and can instead use the built-in busio?"
might be an edge case and not worth the effort?
upper sandal
there is no real way to know if it's builtin or not outside of say reading a database of boards with versions and lists of builtins, and hoping it's not a custom build, plus the builtin overrides the lib directory so it's not a bid deal
you end up with a small adafruit_bus_device.mpy that is useless but ultimately harmless
connecting to the REPL is a whole other story though, it would even have to find it, which discotool can, but I think it's pretty outside of the scope of circup currently
sand lotus
same with neopixel.mpy. i usually don't need it but always snag that one too just in case. the amount of projects where I end up using it happens often.
upper sandal
maybe in the future if we had ampy/mpremote like feature to circup, installing files via the REPL on ESP32 and C3 boards for example
sand lotus
is neopixel included on boards that have a neopixel? ughhh that would make to much sense. seems like i've been importing libs that i don't need to every single fresh install. lol
upper sandal
it would make sense, but it isn't
a lot of space though
also boot_out currently is limited to 512 bytes (one block) to avoid write errors on boot killing the drive
yeah the core knows how to use neopixels and dotstars
sand lotus
is it double tap reset, hold boot and reset, hold boot while plugging in (pico)... end up playing an arcade game with buttons trying to get to the bootloader sometimes.
upper sandal
note that the neopixel library is basically handling a adafruit_pixelbuf.PixelBuf and calling neopixel_write, both of which are builtin libraries
(dotstar use adafruit_pixelbuf and SPI)
sand lotus
ahh
upper sandal
is it double tap reset, hold boot and reset, hold boot while plugging in (pico)....
you gotta know the secret handshake !
I am an advocate for board.STATUS which would be a neopixel-compatible builtin instance
yeah that git stuff is unfortunate
upper sandal
or board.STATUS_LED
yeah that way you don't need to add a library and instantiate things
sand lotus
though on some boards they want you to use the single neopixel with the library to get you accustomed to using that library for neopixel strip projects.
changing that to a different initialization would kinda defeat that avenue for beginners.
sand lotus
having it as an alias... yes then definitely.
inner spade
or board.LED
But it would mess with D13 and PWM. Never mind.
upper sandal
yeah I added those like last week
sand lotus
LED = digitalio.DigitalInOut(board.D13)
LED.direction = digitalio.Direction.OUTPUT
# do stuff
if something:
LED.value = True
else:
LED.value = False
``` this is what I have for an RFM status packet send. it blinks whenever it sends a packet.if i could use LED.status = True it's really not that much different
but the initialization would be built in and be easier to access.
inner spade
I use it as an idle state heartbeat in almost every project.
upper sandal
yeah some product pages have the guide linked in the text (older pages)
sand lotus
D13 is usually the built in LED but it's not a neopixel
noble grove
numbers different on esp32
sand lotus
this is true too, another good reason for Neradocs idea to make it one universal way to access if its available.
inner spade
D13 is usually the built in LED but it's not a neopixel
The D13 LED is usually on any board. It’s almost a standard.
sand lotus
there's gotta be something like that which already exists. i mean even WipperSnapper blinks when it sends an update.
Neradoc maybe make a suggestion for a milestone to have a universal standard for status LED? Hard to believe something like that hasn't been done yet.
or maybe it's because CP is already using it for so much stuff that it's really an adafruit CP core use only kind of LED?
but if that was the case then I shouldn't be able to tie into it with digitalio and use it. yeah it makes no sense not to have an easier initialization for it.
noble grove
it would even tell you the line number
sand lotus
yeah if you take over the status LED maybe that stuff wouldn't work.
upper sandal
the status LED blinks once (green if RGB) for "code done", twice for error (red), 3 times for safe mode (yellow)
old version would blink error type and line number (tens then units), but go count 2 + 9 blinks, it was barely usable
sand lotus
the only people that would really use it wouldn't be beginners anyway.
bios style beeps codes are too much for a microcontroller. the 3 statuses you said above are plenty enough already. the amount of blinks when i'm trying to reboot into bootloader doesn't really matter since i always look for the USB drive to show up anyway.
maybe for a headless install in the field, away from PC's, like a LORA install in a mailbox. blink codes could be helpful ultimately the resolution would just be hit restart.
some people believe chatgpt can do anything but it's really just the world most competent BS artist.
upper sandal
"ChatGPT, become a cyborg, and count the blinks for me"
"I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that"
"My name is not Dave !"
sand lotus
if ChatGPT was better people would be screaming skynet and losing their minds.
brazen chasm
github copilot is very nice to have, you just program with the tab key..
noble grove
It's like repeatedly hitting the first autocorrect
brazen chasm
200 million repos to search from
inner spade
Pretty good at random plagiarization, too.
brazen chasm
i use chatgpt with circuitpython lately, but it only has data up to 2021 , whats that 6.3?
but i hear theyre connecting it to skynet
it predicts next lines too, with no other input than what you have so far
inner spade
Commercial AI extends the model of not paying its teachers a living wage.
sand lotus
the problem is intention, if code is taken from open source and ends up in commercial software. manager asks how that could happen and the developer says, "i used chatgpt or (insert xyz framework).
brazen chasm
copilot has all of github real time, chatgpt only up to 2021
upper sandal
just don't look at the conversation in #help-with-circuitpython 😬
sand lotus
at which point in the loop is to blame, is the AI itself liable for the lawsuit?
noble grove
With attribution?
inner spade
… as long as the copyright notice is included as per the license
brazen chasm
just don't look at the conversation in <#537365702651150357> 😬
hehe. what are they saying there?
sand lotus
yes the company who made the AI, is what i meant.
noble grove
When the AI becomes a person.
upper sandal
I would say that the one to blame is the person using the result
sand lotus
and when is the last time you used tabnine, copilot, chatpgt, etc.. and saw attributions in the comments? is that a thing?
upper sandal
I can use curl right now to get code that is not licensed for commercial use, and then put it in a commercial product
that doesn't make curl responsible
inner spade
The copyright header of the resultant response might easily exceed the length of the actual code
sand lotus
you wouldn't download a car
inner spade
I would say that the one to blame is the person using the result
Indeed, unless the provider is making a profit.
sand lotus
3D printing made downloading a car possible lol. never even thought about that.
a crowbar can be used for good or evil. it's not the fault of the tool but of the intention of the person using it.
noble grove
Need something like GeekCode for copyright/attribution
sand lotus
flipperzero is a gray area, torrents gray area
we no longer have napster and limewire... intention matters.
brazen chasm
heres an example i did recently:
weather_data = pyportal.network.fetch_data(
url="http://api.openweathermap.org/data/2.5/forecast?q=Malmo, SE&appid=4acdd2457856e1ef6c064f1e928ea71e&cnt=8", json_path=[])
# 3 hour forecasts this is cnt*3=24 h````
then i wanted to get the max temp for the 24 hour forecast, and asked chat gpt and just got this in 5 seconds:
```
hi = max([item['main']['temp'] for item in weather_data[0]['list']])-273.15
tthats just lovely
for a noob in python
noble grove
heres an example i did recently:
````
weather_data = pyportal.network.fetch_...
In Kelvin?
brazen chasm
In Kelvin?
thats how they roll..
sand lotus
flipperzero is a wireless tool that can scan/copy/retransmit pretty much anything wireless or NFC. it's wicked wicked powerful. definitely worth learning about even from a defensive perspective because it could be used for bad far too easily. it'll clone key fobs, rfid tags, wifi packets. if it's wireless it can grab it.
upper sandal
oh oh you created a branch in adafruit/circuitpython 😛
noble grove
thats how they roll..
Cold
upper sandal
or so says the bot
I did this in my Adafruit repos to set a bad URL when pushing to origin
git config remote.origin.pushurl no_push
I use that to start working on repos I don't own now:
function fork() {
git config remote.origin.pushurl no_push
gh repo fork --remote-name neradoc
}
it happens
brazen chasm
cu, nice as always, Foamy
sand lotus
Thanks for the stream.
inner spade
Thanks. Another useful and informative stream today!
exotic shadow
Very very late to the party here, but I saw the latest "From the desk ..." video last night. Does anyone have any hints when that RP2040 USB host board will hit production, and what the timeframe is for the USB host support in CircuitPython? Or is it just "Soon" (tm).
paper peak
Very very late to the party here, but I saw the latest "From the desk ..." video...
if we are talking about it, it means it's being worked on, but we give no guarantees or predictions about timelines. The Arduino and TinyUSB support will be done sooner than the CircuitPython support.
open girder
LIVE on YouTube! Desk of Ladyada - AVR programmin', RP2040 featherin', and Cactus Tear-Downin' https://youtu.be/Dw3WpCXxCrA
verbal river
wth was that?
sand lotus
verbal river
🌵 ❓
sand lotus
How do you keep all the tester boards and code straight from getting mixed up?
verbal river
🌵 😨
sand lotus
that's adorable
it's like a baby cactus groot
i like the idea of a live tear down. JP does it sometimes and it's a great format to learn from.
open girder
@sand lotus good question, we have the product ID on the tester and only the correct board "fits" on the tester, or at least, it's really hard to get one tester testing something it should not
so far no mix ups!
sand lotus
beefy motor and gear set for that wiggly noodle.
that was fun, thank you for that
I've seen that logo before somewhere. Maybe the WT32.
I've never heard of ISD
64 mins is close to standard cassette time. can't be a coincidence.
the mixer device library for CP works amazing for multi-channel/voice/polyphony stuff.
sounds good for a drum machine
or karaoke kind of thing
and easy to solder, no bga stuff 🙂
open girder
🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵
sand lotus
hope you feel better, thank you for staying up for a late stream.
verbal river
Bye
atomic torrent
What time doesJP's product Pick go live?
sand lotus
?showtimes
arctic abyssBOT
Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/ Foamyguy - 5pm ET Fridays
FoamyGuy's CircuitPython Stream - 11am ET Saturdays
sand lotus
All times are in US Eastern Time
atomic torrent
@arctic abyss Thanks
drowsy inlet
hello all 👋
open surge
good afternoon
haughty quiver
hi everyone!
lyric frost
👋
inner spade
Hello!
viscid bolt
Good afternoon
drowsy inlet
gesundheit! 🙂
drowsy inlet
it's the subtle way to get everyone's attention
sand lotus
Heya
knotty valley
Hello hello!!!!
drowsy inlet
Quick Response code
waxen thistle
Good afternoon all you wonderful folks!
Product Picks of the week really push one's buttons ⌨️
That wave keycap print reminds me of the designs on the four stones in The Fifth Element.
....gnocchi is an '8' or "ate"?
drowsy inlet
Is this the keycap from the demo?
https://www.adafruit.com/product/5112
sand lotus
Camera controls is a great use case for it.
I think someone also used them on Show & Tell a couple months ago for accessibility use. Might have been a trinkey but I think they're similar?
Single button just for random cowbell noises
open surge
thanks JP!
drowsy inlet
thanks!
sand lotus
@haughty quiver Not sure if you were aware. My LORA mail boombox uses a lot of code from your WalkMP3erson project. ❤️
open surge
@haughty quiver Someone shared over 5 gigs of arcade manuals and schematics on Google Drive, thought of you. But no Scramble, I checked.
haughty quiver
<@327304398143488001> Not sure if you were aware. My LORA mail boombox uses a lo...
rad!
open surge
thanks <@273162248615100417> have a link?
haughty quiver
now that archive.org is under attack it's probably a good thing to distribute things all over the place 🙂
open surge
good point
unreal bay
?showtimes
arctic abyssBOT
Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/ Foamyguy - 5pm ET Fridays
FoamyGuy's CircuitPython Stream - 11am ET Saturdays
sand lotus
3D Hangouts starts in 10 mins
lavish patrol
👋 😀
upbeat coral
Hey Y'll
rocky reef
good morning, afternoon, and night to everyone having out!
upbeat coral
Excellent
lavish patrol
Excellent. 😀
opaque hearth
most excellent!
open surge
good morning
wise iris
good morning!
lavish patrol
Good afternoon.
sand lotus
Howdy y’all! ☕
lavish patrol
☕
rocky reef
sand lotus
Showing a permaproto but the permaproto isn't in the list anymore?
rocky reef
Today's coupon code “aqicase” gets you 10% off your order!
sand lotus
Is a pollen detector a thing? Might be a nice project for someone.
lavish patrol
You could call it The Electronic Bee...
sand lotus
I need a case for my WipperSnapper board. That's a really great looking enclosure design for WipperSnapper.
unreal bay
pollen:
sand lotus
because WipperSnapper boards are always connected and just kinda... sit there... logging to AdafruitIO.
unreal bay
between 10 and 100 micron
sand lotus
How are they measuring pollen over the ocean? 😛 I'm used to looking at too many weather maps lately.
Shoutout to Brent and AdafruitIO team, doing amazing stuff with WipperSnapper. ❤️
unreal bay
satellite madness, how it changes in different frequency bands
sand lotus
Gorgeous low form factor design!
Snap-fit-apalooza
I have some bands like that in thick velcro. You can sew through velcro.
Gauntlet with built in sensors make a lot of sense too. Things are possible today that weren't like 20 years ago.
unreal bay
cheaper to get a feather reverse tft with sen54 yourself (plus cable separately for cost saving). about 45$ versus 69.99
sand lotus
Tyeth that posted that... not me
sand lotus
To the right behind a roller coaster, past the little mermaid place almost all the way in the back in where all the smokers hang out. 😉
I smoke, so that's where I had to go. 😉
shell mason
the minotaur could be head rounded better perhaps
sand lotus
the geometry of that couldn't have been easy to print. gorgeous model.
The new iMX rt1011 just got the I2S PR pushed out. It has 22 voice polyphony.
You could have 2 people play a keyboard together kind of thing. No one has more than.. ok most people don't have more than 10 fingers so 10 voice polyphony is usually fine.. so 22 is wild.
haughty quiver
that resin!
sand lotus
That is amazing, phenomenal print.
No Mando spoilers please I haven't seen the latest episode.
unreal bay
No Mando spoilers please I haven't seen the latest episode.
ooh forgot its that time, thanks for reminder.
I quite like the eryone filaments, looks fab there 👍
Wait for 3filament voucher which makes 2 roles free and one paid for in shipping. I just got one ASA which is expensive anyway
sand lotus
600mm 👀 wow
rocky reef
Mythosaur By Jason McLachlanhttps://www.printables.com/model/112568-mythosaur-large-600mm
upbeat coral
The original AIY Voice was a great resource for motor and servo drivers hat. I got several kits at $9.95 just for the boards.
rocky reef
https://www.thingiverse.com/make:1096270 heat set insert
Today's coupon code “aqicase” gets you 10% off your order!
upbeat coral
as a microscope stand
upbeat coral
Can be reverted
sand lotus
I made a 3d model of a speaker this week
4" not adafruit part 😦
40W speaker
big guy
oh but i did add the 7" bare display
upbeat coral
Thank you for taking time for us. Soup time.
sand lotus
unreal bay
thanks all
open surge
good show, thank you!
sand lotus
thank you for the show
lavish patrol
Thanks, @hard hollow and @rocky reef 👍
rocky reef
thanks so much for hanging out folks!
sand lotus
That 7" display is an adafruit part and is now in the CAD parts repo.
shell mason
flat mythosaur couldl be put flat surface or even engrave for things
hard hollow
thanks folks cya tonight
wise iris
thanks guys
upbeat coral
Hey Y'll
nova totem
Evening everyone. Glad my computer decided to crash 10 minutes ago and not now
open surge
good evening folks
split gazelle
here is the link to join show and tell: https://streamyard.com/ezeimwjt7a
dim wigeon
Hi everyone. 👋
sand lotus
Future mixer devices ❤️
slow spire
Hi, all!
sand lotus
Up from iMX's medium quality audio is the SPDIF stuff
teal river
JP with a mysterious orb
sand lotus
Awesome work Jepler!
teal river
1979 indeed!
inner spade
👋
nova totem
I remember perfection! It probably is still at my mom's
torn turtle
hi all! my first watching & doing live chat at same time! 👋 🖖
alpine nova
grogu basket
alpine nova
why can’t all electronics be disassembled that easy
dawn iris
After a full redesign and designing a case, I have set up orders for all the parts and the board and case for my RP2040 based IoT/cellular project. I also ended up using an sma connector to connect the gsm antenna because those little right angle sma antennas look cool. I have also integrated the Himax 320x320 RGB camera module from SparkFun and the larger 3.5” display breakout as opposed to the previous 2.4” display breakout. It turns out that the small aluminum 0.25x0.25” is just a millimeter smaller than the RP2040 itself! Lots of Adafruit products on board! The problem is that the total of all the prices is about $500 and it might not even work.
teal river
Cupcake!
dawn iris
The reason I said all this is because I have no idea what to call it and also a little while ago I asked about this in an “Ask an Engineer”stream and it’s an update to those who remember
teal river
Hehe, that’s awesome
sand lotus
Very nice Gamblor!
slow spire
Love it, @nova totem !
torn turtle
i love that the gif for the candle + cupcake does a blow-out animation!
teal river
XD
alpine nova
do not eat your electronics
open surge
that's awesome @nova totem , love it
torn turtle
🎂 🥳
dawn iris
You might be able to use a gesture sensor like the APDS or smt so you don’t even have to blow on it @nova totem
nova totem
I LOVE that idea @robust horizon !
alpine nova
happy birthday
teal river
I need one of those that lights on my birthday to remind me it’s my birthday, lol
dawn iris
Clean
sand lotus
Happy Birthday Gamblor! 🎂
teal river
Haaaappy birthday!
digital crescent
happy birthday @nova totem
dim wigeon
Happiest of birthdays @nova totem !
nova totem
You might be able to use a gesture sensor like the APDS or smt so you don’t even...
Good idea. I was going through all my sensors I had on hand trying to find something that works that wasn't just a button
torn turtle
yes, happy b-day, @nova totem! 🎂 🥳
slow spire
I, for one, welcome our flufflet overlords.
nova totem
Thanks everyone! I hope to post the code so everyone can have an electronic cupcake filled birthday
sand lotus
reminds me of the old turbo buttons on 80's PC's
teal river
@robust horizon do the responses get saved anywhere, in case you really like one?
Great show!
sand lotus
Jepler's of Mice and Memes next on ChatGPT
nova totem
Great projects everyone
alpine nova
thx
upbeat coral
Thanks to all for taking time for us
torn turtle
great update! thanks all & great work!
slow spire
thanks, @split gazelle !
open surge
thanks @split gazelle!
dim wigeon
Thanks, everyone! Great projects!
split gazelle
thanks folks!
robust horizon
@teal river no -- if you have the REPL open you can scroll back to them but otherwise they're gone once you press the button again
teal river
Thanks Liz and all!
ashen hound
Here is an incomplete write-up of my project: https://hackaday.io/project/190158-purple-daisy-coin-cell-powered-soil-sensor I hope to finish the documentation soon!
teal river
<@381566293368897537> no -- if you have the REPL open you can scroll back to the...
Ahh… wasn’t sure if there was logging on the ChatGPT side
robust horizon
The original ad for that game @haughty quiver was showing is something else.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCunzyymMGU
@teal river no, there's not a way to retrieve your own API call results again later
teal river
Dang
robust horizon
you could add a 2nd button that when you press it, it sends as a message on your mastodon account 🙂
sand lotus
@ashen hound I'm amazed that you have a new PCB almost every week and they're very functional too. Well done sir.
ashen hound
<@310516482557739019> I'm amazed that you have a new PCB almost every week and t...
Thanks!
robust horizon
see y'all around oh and @sand lotus thanks for showing stuff that doesn't work, it's a reminder we're all human 🙂 or claiming to be
slow spire
<@381566293368897537> no -- if you have the REPL open you can scroll back to the...
Ahhh… ephemeral chat; could call it SnapChatGPT. (sorry not sorry)
sand lotus
@robust horizon oh I forgot to mention the reset button works!
😂
Dang it and forgot to thank everyone who helped with the code that made it work. I didn't do it on my own.
open girder
WE ARE LIVE! ASK AN ENGINEER! https://youtu.be/UU8CfE7oGpk
ionic garnet
Hi all
nimble jackal
Darwin!
sage aspen
Hello
teal river
CACTUS FREN
sand lotus
Love the cactus. Adorable. Great teardown and project.
teal river
That is so adorable 💜
ionic garnet
I applaud the no internet for kiddo
teal river
Much easier for kiddo to dump herself onto the internet when she’s old enough to choose than to try to undo any exposure!
60 minutes… imagine a cactus that records for an hour and then plays back for an hour, lol
open girder
10% discount code, code is: packetfruit http://www.adafruit.com
ionic garnet
so it makes gnocci go away?
nova totem
Number Crunchers was a great game
sand lotus
My favorite too. I had one of those.
teal river
Great machine!
slow spire
I used an SE/30 and it at the time felt super fast.
sand lotus
or at least something that looked like it, not sure I had that exact model.
dim wigeon
I never had one, but they had them at my high school. Great machines!
dawn iris
I just placed a $55 Adafruit order!!!
slow spire
16 MHz 68030
teal river
Did you mean 128 KB of RAM?
sand lotus
I loved the handle on it. Could carry it.
robust horizon
Was there schema capture and PCB layout for the se30?
teal river
I love my Macintosh SE
nova totem
I remember a tour of a company when I was in school and they had a 128MB version for credit/editing magazine ads. I think that model or similar
ionic garnet
I had almost every version of the mac from original model (but no M2's yet)
slow spire
Did you mean 128 *KB* of RAM?
It could do 128 MB, apparently, with some hacking (and a lot of money)
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_classic/specs/mac_se30.html
dawn iris
it was $200 but i couldn't afford it so i will buy it later
robust horizon
That computer is basically high school computing for me. Couldn't quite figure out pascal language though
upbeat coral
Ladyada has Greenscreen Blouse on.
nova totem
I enjoyed pascal
dawn iris
the 2 displays and 2 sim808 modules cost $140!
sand lotus
Imagine owning a Mac and having to learn Windows in school. Those school Windows machines were so foreign, I just wanted them to have a finder and they didn't. 😛
dawn iris
i dont need them quite yet though
teal river
It could do 128 MB, apparently, with some hacking (and a lot of money)
https://e...
Wow… imagine having 128MB of RAM but only an 80MB HDD
I love all those old ads!
delicate fractal
is the sound quality a side effect of format conversions, or the original video?
dim wigeon
Wow… imagine having 128MB of RAM but only an 80MB HDD
Back then I can’t imagine being able to afford 128 MB of RAM!
sand lotus
Until you get kids who shove coins in there. CD players had the same issue for cars when they first came out.
dawn iris
i while ago, i got a missile switch with my order to bump the price up to get a free KB2040 and now i have a missile switch! im designing a launch control panel using it.
nova totem
Back then I can’t imagine being able to afford 128 MB of RAM!
I vaguely recall my 486 with 4MB and that cost a fortune as is
robust horizon
We're moving into the 80s
teal river
Back then I can’t imagine being able to afford 128 MB of RAM!
Hehe… yeah, I remember drooling over machines with 128MB. Now I have 128GB and I need more
sand lotus
I thought we were in the future when we went from 14.4 modems to 32k
ionic garnet
She's a legend
dim wigeon
The standard RAM on the SE/30 at launch was 1 MB.
delicate fractal
The standard RAM on the SE/30 at launch was 1 MB.
'cause who would ever need more than 768KB?
teal river
I forgot about the click and release navigation, I need to play with my old Macs more, lol
dim wigeon
'cause who would ever need more than 768KB?
‘cause RAM was EXPENSIVE back then! 😆
sand lotus
She explains things so well.
delicate fractal
yeah. That was before the Japanese stepped in and undercut the industry with higher yields.
teal river
… for a minute I forgot I was watching Ask an Engineer, lol
sand lotus
Well Apple allowed clones later called Power PC. They eventually disallowed clones and have been a closed ecosystem ever since.
digital crescent
open surge
This is bringing back so many memories
nova totem
This is bringing back so many memories
Yup literally the computers, apparently, a lot of us grew up with
sand lotus
That was a very nice stroll. Thank you.
teal river
I want to make an OS that mimics the simplicity of old MacOS but has all the modern power
dim wigeon
Well Apple allowed clones later called Power PC. They eventually disallowed clo...
PowerPC was a CPU, IIRC. There were some Mac clones, though. There was a company making Mac laptops before Apple came out with the PowerBook - I forget their name now.
teal river
ChatGPT is definitely a fun toy
nimble jackal
PowerPC was a CPU, IIRC. There were some Mac clones, though. There was a company...
E machine?
open surge
No, eMachines came in the late 90s
ashen hound
I think I missed it. Why does the Arduino R4 have a yellow blocked area in the picture?
dim wigeon
E machine?
They might have too, but the company I was thinking of is…Outback? Outbound? Out-something, I think.
strong acorn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone some licensed, some not
teal river
LadyAda is part ghost!
open girder
@ashen hound we don't know either, anne asked on twitter tho!
nova totem
On the plus side I now know a lot about CP internal memory management! (Which was a fun journey)
dim wigeon
The PowerPC was an IBM/Motorola joint project, IIRC.
delicate fractal
The PowerPC was an IBM/Motorola joint project, IIRC.
Yep!
strong acorn
IBM still makes CPUs in the POWER family
delicate fractal
I was always disappointed that the M88000 didn't take off though.
robust horizon
Mp3 is memory intensive so I'm not sure we can run multiple streams in that way
delicate fractal
IBM still makes CPUs in the POWER family
Does it still sell AS400 type machines?
dim knot
dim wigeon
Yep!
And it had my favorite machine language instruction ever. They had an instruction to disable predictive branching and pipelining and stuff…they called the instruction “enforce in-order execution of operations” or something, and gave it the machine language opode EIEIO. LOL
strong acorn
Does it still sell AS400 type machines?
'Discontinued Sep 30, 2013'
dim knot
dim wigeon
And it had my favorite machine language instruction ever. They had an instructio...
(Who says engineers don’t have a sense of humor?)
delicate fractal
'Discontinued Sep 30, 2013'
So what are the POWER processors used for?
delicate fractal
(Who says engineers don’t have a sense of humor?)
That's like Borland. There was an era where all their manuals had an explanation of search and replace options that said "gnu: searched for and replaces all small antelope like animals without asking."
nimble jackal
Flying Chris. Not talky Chris
dim wigeon
So what are the POWER processors used for?
Nowadays? Mostly automotive electronics and such. I think Freescale still makes POWER chips.
sand lotus
Have you guys thought about working with those companies to create standards? Car companies got together when they all had their own CAN implementations, created a working group with engineers getting together... and voila OBD-II.
dim wigeon
Nowadays? Mostly automotive electronics and such. I think Freescale still makes ...
According to Wikipedia, the F-35 fighter jet’s computers use a Freescale POWER processor.
sand lotus
I have many harsh words about "smart TV's" that spy on you today, track everything you watch, etc.. big brother.
delicate fractal
I have many harsh words about "smart TV's" that spy on you today, track everythi...
Big Brother is still on broadcast cable?!?! 😄
sand lotus
Wait what, are you saying PowerPC CPU's eventually went on to be in F-35's? That's wild.
ionic garnet
it's just a thing. Great for fiction! I wrote a short story and tweeted it with GPT4
teal river
I had it write a story about a royal potato
nova totem
My coworker uses it to write stories for his kids and they can add in details. They love it
dim wigeon
Wait what, are you saying PowerPC CPU's eventually went on to be in F-35's? Tha...
Wikipedia says, “In 2003, BAE Systems Platform Solutions delivered the Vehicle-Management Computer for the F-35 fighter jet. This platform consists of dual PowerPCs made by Freescale in a triple redundant setup.”
teal river
It can also write some code that kinda works sometimes, good way to get a large amount of code real fast
And then you fix it with your smart brain
delicate fractal
Wait what, are you saying PowerPC CPU's eventually went on to be in F-35's? Tha...
Motorolla and IBM have been making mil-spec chips for a long time. I don't think Intel is so good for manufacturing the same chip design for decades ...
sand lotus
ultimate bartender lol... that's one way of doing it.
If AquaMan and the Waterboy got together...
teal river
You could have many buttons on the ChatGPT box for different prompts
slow spire
Love the choon, @open girder
sand lotus
That honestly sounds very entertaining Jepler.
slow spire
Who is this?
teal river
Very good bleep bloops
dim wigeon
I could watch the selective solder machine for hours… contented sigh
sand lotus
high quality EDM
teal river
Kits!
nova totem
oooo what was that at the end 🙂
teal river
oooo what was that at the end 🙂
They look like the box kits like what you can buy at MicroCenter
sand lotus
The rulers are coming back nice and some kind of feather.
teal river
I didn’t know the rulers left
robust horizon
Motorolla and IBM have been making mil-spec chips for a long time. I don't think...
I know intel used to denote some chips that would be available for a long time but right this second I'm having trouble finding that kind of information....
teal river
Intel still produces specialty 8086 chips as far as I know
timid plover
Just noticed that in the factory footage a bunch of black boxes - but they probably weren't adaboxes, right? 🙂
nova totem
Just noticed that in the factory footage a bunch of black boxes - but they proba...
Probably not...
teal river
Wrong format, no sleeves
sand lotus
I think Adaboxes are square? I've never gotten one.
ashen hound
I think Adaboxes are square? I've never gotten one.
They are more rectangular
open girder
it's not adabox, but we are gettin closer 🙂
robust horizon
" Embedded SKUs (products) are available for long life which typically means that they will be in production for up to 7 years after its launch date." OK so for intel 7 years is a long time
delicate fractal
" Embedded SKUs (products) are available for long life which typically means tha...
Don't get me wrong: I'd be shocked if they have nothing that is mil-spec and sufficiently long-lived, but it's just not how they generally work..
teal river
I remember Propeller!
robust horizon
I never tried propeller
teal river
Don't get me wrong: I'd be shocked if they have *nothing* that is mil-spec and s...
Yeah, I don’t think they have milspec offerings for general CPU SKUs
sand lotus
the tensorflow framework stack there doesn't look appealing if you've never worked with it before (me), looks like a daunting stack to dive into.
robust horizon
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/government/products/programmable/overview.html fpgas, of course.
open surge
quick, someone show todbot
sand lotus
look at all that audio out, 🤤
but will it run on circuit python?
that's kinda like the new "but will it run Doom" now
dim wigeon
that's kinda like the new "but will it run Doom" now
So what I’m hearing is it’s only a matter of time until someone ports Doom to displayio… 😆
dawn iris
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/government/products/programmable/overvie...
war thunder players making a gaming setup with real military displays and hardware
sand lotus
Phil B already did it but not the whole real game to my knowledge. Just a matter of time.
dim knot
Adafruit 2.7" Tri-Color eInk / ePaper Display with SRAM - Red Black White https://www.adafruit.com/product/4098
delicate fractal
war thunder players making a gaming setup with real military displays and hardwa...
So... they're trying to catch up with the DCS players?
dawn iris
ye
dim knot
ESP32-H2-MINI-1 Module - 4MB Flash https://www.adafruit.com/product/5716
ESP32-H2-DevKitM-1 - 4 MB Flash https://www.adafruit.com/product/5715
sand lotus
tiny silkscreen between the pins good lord
dim knot
Witty Pi 4 L3V7 - RTC & Power Management for Raspberry Pi https://www.adafruit.com/product/5705
sand lotus
love to see Pi's with reset buttons. still can't believe anyone has to even say that out loud.
dim knot
Witty Pi 4 HAT - RTC & Power Management for Raspberry Pi https://www.adafruit.com/product/5704
delicate fractal
Does anything named "uu*" cause anxiety for anyone else?
dim knot
Adafruit Feather RP2040 RFM69 Packet Radio - 868 or 915MHz - RadioFruit and STEMMA QT https://www.adafruit.com/product/5712
sand lotus
The 69 has encryption.
dim knot
Adafruit Feather RP2040 with RFM95 LoRa Radio - 915MHz - RadioFruit and STEMMA QT https://www.adafruit.com/product/5714
sand lotus
but had smaller packets due to encryption. seeing it with more resources is a very welcome addition.
new version should fix that. very nice!
Next gen RFM's are here. This is beautiful. Thank you.
ionic garnet
Bravo!
sand lotus
Will still need an Airlift to get it on wifi. Have you tested it with airlifts yet?
ionic garnet
I will order as soon as you have
strong acorn
it will work with Airlift, no problem
sand lotus
That'll help be a nicer smaller stacked RFM for... mailbox projects. 🙂
delicate fractal
weird silly ideas/questions:
- could a phased array IR transmitter work?
- could IR use CDMA encodings?
... using off the shelf IR photodiodes and LEDs
strong acorn
two ways: PicoW with RFM FeatherWing, PicoRFM with Airlift FeatherWing
sand lotus
a pogo pinned antenna... that's a brilliant tester. well done. 👏
noble grove
QUESTION: Could one run a private lora wan over a mesh of packet radios?
sand lotus
Full screen from a feather. That's amazing. Very nice @cinder wind!
ionic garnet
nft? lol!
scenic prawn
After the ADABOXs drop would you be interested in talking about the saga of parts needed, redesign, parts needed, redesign, etc? I think the journey to getting to the final product would be interesting to document,
teal river
Question: will there be an RP2040 board in a form factor like the Arduino Mega 2560?
dawn iris
I designed a cellular/IoT RP2040 device with the SIM808, the 3.5" Touchscreen TFT breakout and the Himax HM01B0 color imaging module. It has a right angle sma antenna on the top right and its kind of bulky. My question is what the heck do i call it!?
sand lotus
with RFM you can connect as many nodes together that you want without being connected to an official "LORA" things network.
lilac tusk
I designed a cellular/IoT RP2040 device with the SIM808, the 3.5" Touchscreen TF...
Cellulite
ivory kiln
Q: sorry if I missed it - but are there any updates on adabox?
dim wigeon
Esther Dyson once famously said “the nice thing about standards is, there’s so many to choose from.“ 😂
echo canopy
Question @open girder 
The RP2040 DVI board … can you give an idea of how much the process to output the DVI display will take up in CPU / memory? Will there there tons of room to do some big projects?
dawn iris
Question: will there be an RP2040 board in a form factor like the Arduino Mega 2...
i find that its fun to find a microcontroller and design a dev board in the Arduino Uno footprint. Lots of libraries have Arduino footprints so its pretty easy to set up the board but getting different microcontrollers to work is a bit harder.
delicate fractal
Esther Dyson once famously said “the nice thing about standards is, there’s so m...
oh! I thought that was Andy Tanenbaum!
sand lotus
ohhh didn't know the RFM featherwings would have different performance. that's good to know for deciding what hardware to use on the receiver & transmitter sides.
dim wigeon
oh! I thought that was Andy Tanenbaum!
It wouldn’t surprise me if more than one person had expressed that sentiment. Lol.
upbeat coral
Thank you for taking time for us.
delicate fractal
Did LadyAda say "pixmob"?
timid plover
thanks - order placed !
dawn iris
thems is the questions
dim wigeon
Thanks, everyone!
sand lotus
Thank you for the great episode all the new new news.
dawn iris
zener
teal river
Great show, nini!
lilac tusk
chunkaphone is funny
Chunkyphone is good, but cellulite has such a funny ring to it
open surge
good show, thank you!
robust horizon
thanks y'all
lilac tusk
Cellulose?
lilac tusk
I was trying to play on the bulky component to your description
dawn iris
cellulite is good but the lite makes it sound like it is small
lilac tusk
ThiccPhone
dawn iris
i might go with cellulith
teal river
Now I hibernate, lol
dawn iris
inspired by cellulite but incorporating rock because it is a rock
dawn iris
i not adult
sand lotus
Adding "ie" or "y" to the end of almost anything makes it cuter.
dawn iris
i also not socialize
teal river
I now identify as a child
lilac tusk
Being an it admin for kids hard
sand lotus
Thing vs Thingy
lilac tusk
But also being an IT manager for a church is hard
teal river
Nini
lilac tusk
Brick vs Bricky
sand lotus
you mean a churchy
sand lotus
also can add connotations like preach vs preachy
sand lotus
you're right. i didn't realize that. very nice.
cinder wind
Full screen from a feather. That's amazing. Very nice <@352910176736772096>!
so bummed I missed Ask an Engineer tonight! Thanks for the callout, @sand lotus !
robust horizon
?showtimes
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Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
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Deep Dive w/ Foamyguy - 5pm ET Fridays
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sand lotus
I think it would be helpful to post the times in ET and PT? That way people on the west coast don't have to do the math.