Thanks and good night. 🌒
#live-broadcast-chat
viral sail
upper sandal
if DFN is dual and QFN is quad, what is DQFN ? 😄
sand lotus
yeah symax you usually only get enough time for 1 question.
strong acorn
Dairy Queen
teal river
if DFN is dual and QFN is quad, what is DQFN ? 😄
Double quad… 8 sides overlapped in the 4th dimension
sand lotus
well that would be dual quad so 2 rows of 4? 😅 i have no idea.
lilac tusk
if DFN is dual and QFN is quad, what is DQFN ? 😄
You sandwich it between two PCBs
Good luck soldering that
teal river
Sandwich chip!
sand lotus
ahh that would be cool but somehow i don't think that's it
lilac tusk
3D soldering
strong acorn
"Depopulated very-thin Quad Flat-pack No-leads"
lilac tusk
Like 3D chess but crying
sand lotus
depopulated?
upper sandal
Wikipedia lists a bunch of package names like that without explaining them
but the google images do
sand lotus
depopulated meaning no pads on the side of the chip?
sand lotus
wow it's actually a thing
lilac tusk
Aka nightmare to route chip!
teal river
scary
sand lotus
lilac tusk
Hope you brought them 3/3 designing rules
upper sandal
n layer board, where n -> ∞
slow spire
Michael Scott No! dot gif
lilac tusk
Fan out? More like run out of the room.
teal river
Michael Scott No! dot gif
slow spire
Thank you
sand lotus
routing wouldn't be the problem, it's the soldering.
slow spire
Happy Sunday night, y’all! Thanks for the fun questions and chat!
About to do some more experimenting with a Radxa Rock 5B (fast pi alternative)
inner spade
👋 This is starting to look familiar again.
Interesting. When getting that error, I used GIMP advanced export options to not include the bitmap palette. Didn’t have to mess with bit format. But didn’t compare on-disk versus image load so my “fix” may not work in both cases.
Leading zeros in the hex value are truncated for 565, I’m guessing.
Yeah, used do not write color space info
While sticking with RGB888. Perhaps I wasn’t using on-disk…
Ah, you are definitely in the ball park!
The from—>to is confusing
Dither would work when converting from 565 to 888 is my guess
That’s when you’ll have missing color info that would need dithering
inner spade
Thanks!
unreal bay
Holy moly it's a corker tonight... Reverse mount TFT with esp32 S2, couldn't be any better!
(Well except the unreleased S3 reverse mount tft 😉 )
Umm, I'm confused, I just ordered 7, but somehow had a 200dollar giftcard bonus, not expected unless you're rewarding git contributions
little onyx
looks like they are sold out already.. Hmmm
reef glade
Refresh your browser 74 in stock
haughty quiver
allocation for the show hasn't been release yet @little onyx
unreal bay
think its dropped, saw 96 appear
viral sail
Good afternoon.
drowsy inlet
hello all
tacit garnet
Birds of a feather reverse together.
unreal bay
🐦 🧲 
inner spade
Bizarre photo. I guess the kids won’t question the “eyes in the back of my head” anymore.
sand lotus
tacit garnet
He's Voldemort in sorcerer 's stone
viral sail
Gone.
drowsy inlet
and gone
unreal bay
Thanks @haughty quiver , really appreciate you doing these, makes a massive difference to us lucky viewers. The usual sensors and things are great, but the mega boards are the golden eggs.
viral sail
I think that was the fastest PPotW sell-out ever.
sand lotus
i knew these would go quick.
haughty quiver
sand lotus
they're great for mounting to enclosures and having built in buttons
cinder wind
oh no John your face is on backwards again
viral sail
I know last week's product pick didn't sell out, but I completely forgot about it until later. Had a bunch in my cart and the sale disappeared just as clicked checkout.
waxen bough
Yikes! I was all set t buy a couple with a stemma rotary encoder for them, but...
(Lesson Learned)
ebon stratus
G'day y'all. Now if you sell out the S2 , Adafruit can put the S3 Reverse TFT in stock LOL
sand lotus
yeah i don't think i've seen a ppotw sell out in like the first minute.
cinder wind
dang sold out
ebon stratus
@terse rampartDevon3 I wonder what the stock qty was on show startup?
sand lotus
Some modules have really small mounting holes but these have really nice large ones for M3 screws.
usually 100, i saw it close to 100 earlier
i hit refresh and saw it drop to 72 and i knew that's when i'd better be quick if i wanted one.. got 2 😉
ebon stratus
Wow! A hundred in minutes.
sand lotus
yup, they look great mounted
ebon stratus
@sand lotus are you an active DJ? What city/area? What genre of music do you prefer?
sand lotus
and if you wanted, you can expose the gpio with stacking headers through the enclosure too.
i'm no longer an active DJ no, i'm too old for raves now. i do music production sometimes but EDM will always run through these veins.
aww i showed my photoshop too early this week
unreal bay
any ETA on the S3 reverse mount TFT @haughty quiver
ebon stratus
@sand lotus same here. I was a house music DJ in Chicago fo 20 years. Managed several clubs as well as resident DJ. 66 now. Retired back to northern Minnesota. LOL
waxen bough
any ETA on the S3 reverse mount TFT <@327304398143488001>
Or even a C3 version?
sand lotus
Since LadyAda specifically mentioned the MagTag wake stuff the low power of this particular S2 should be pretty good. The MagTag is practically unmatched for power savings due to e-ink. This one should be just as good but have to take into account it's powering a small TFT.
cinder wind
Or even a C3 version?
An ESP32-S3 version is in the works: https://www.adafruit.com/product/5691
not sure if the C3 has enough pins for a Feather format
lyric frost
Thanks as always JP
viral sail
Thanks @haughty quiver
little onyx
Great buy - thanks so much John
drowsy inlet
thanks jp!
ebon stratus
@unreal bay ETA should be this afternoon now that they've cleared the S2 stock. LOL
strong acorn
not sure if the C3 has enough pins for a Feather format
that didn't stop the ESP8266 Feather 🙂
sand lotus
Thank you JP!
trail jasper
Thanks @haughty quiver - got a couple. They did go fast!
inner spade
Thanks!
ebon stratus
Thank you @haughty quiver have a great week
cinder wind
that didn't stop the ESP8266 Feather 🙂
lolol true
sand lotus
@ebon stratus I do love chicago house. RHV & BBB ❤️
unreal bay
guilt stopped me at 6, then I was 10 dollars short of a free gift so went up to 7...guilt guilt guilt
sand lotus
Who needs 10? Seems a bit excessive... oh no are scalpers scooping these up? Is 2FA required for ppotw? @haughty quiver if not might want to think about enabling it for some stuff.
unreal bay
Projects and gifts for kids/family, otherwise a couple is enough surely?
waxen bough
I think 2FA is required for any purchase. Also to get into Forums now, I think.
sand lotus
i'm more thinking about people with multiple accounts trying to scalp. adafruit has methods for looking into that though and anyone caught attempting it gets banned... for life.
unreal bay
oooh, that's gotta hurt, but fair enough. Wish they were a little more generous with Pi's like one per model, and one per model per quarter
ebon stratus
re:2 EA Only thing is you can't predict (or maybe you can) the popularity. So if you restrick to small you may not sell as many..
sand lotus
yeah most of it came about due to pi's.
adafruit does a good job of being fair about their policies.
unreal bay
They really do.
One Pi "ever" is a bit harsh. I'd rather hand over government ID and join a queue for edu/personal to get a couple. Then join bottom of list again.
sand lotus
ever? didn't know that. i actually haven't purchased one. i tried getting one for months and then just gave up.
unreal bay
Ha, yeah hard work, here in UK it's pimoroni or thepihut.com (international shippers btw), but rpilocator.com basically
sand lotus
yeah i had to get one from pimoroni, it's been like 3 weeks and still hasn't arrived yet.
unreal bay
Oh that's a shame, but hopefully cheap shipping. $40 from adafruit for 2weeks, or $20 for unknown.
Also royal mail had a blip with international post, cyber incident has meant a serious backlog
sand lotus
only recently really tried to get one because i want to run octoprint. the hardest thing about octoprint is actually getting a pi.
unreal bay
I thought that, then google turned up loads of results about using an old android phone, or any laptop/pc/linux-box etc
waxen bough
I have been waiting for the Pi zero 2 W's myself. Hen's teeth.
sand lotus
because of where my printer is located i really needed an all-in-one solution.
unreal bay
Can get the pi3A+ which is 2.4ghz+5Ghz wifi, only 512mb ram but basically the pi3b+ in sqaure form.
Instock on rpilocator. Got one running it now.
sand lotus
i had both the zero's and pi's in my notifications and by the time i actually saw the notification they were gone, week after week after week after month after month.
unreal bay
Just swapped out a pi zero 2w for the 3A+ due to having 5g wifi
28quid instead of 15 but that meant better streaming
one full USB too, very helpful.
lavish patrol
Hello, good people.
drowsy inlet
hello all
viral sail
Good morning everyone.
urban gale
Hi all
wise iris
good morning folks
upbeat coral
Hey Y'll
rocky reef
3DHangouts Episode 392 LIVE! NeoPixel support for Adafruit IO WipperSnapper, TRON Disk, hexagon keys and Trilobitehttps://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live
sand lotus
Good morning ☕️
rocky reef
Today's coupon code “iotneopixels” gets you 10% off your order!
sand lotus
Wippersnapper update 
sand lotus
Can you attach a numerical value to colors for 255 RGB for example to plot colors? Or are colors hex only with the color wheel?
shell mason
maybe with R G B for those numerals
sand lotus
Ah i see colors are output only duh, nvm.
Below 1000 millibars pressure probably tropical storm out there.
Ahh what kind of sensor would you recommend for a printer room.
Doh and u just answered it. Thanks.
The power ups section worth checking out for 3rd party integrations
upbeat coral
Yep, totally agree. CPE or CPBluefruit.
sand lotus
Circuit playground bluefruit might be a step up with bluetooth? Yeah the circuit playground still the most filled boards. All other boards are more purpose built.
shell mason
maybe need frisbee tron disk design too
urban gale
that disc would make a sweet serving tray w/ some modifications
sand lotus
Tolerances are a pain to dial in especially for circles and holes.
Pass through charging is my fav feature of adafruit chargers. Almost all of them do pass through charging except the usb style ones.
shell mason
the legacy tron seems used hockey gear what is then transformed to tron like
sand lotus
the nrf52840 outputs some nice sound when combined with an I2S amplifier too
ohh could you use those for neopixel strip diffusers too?
oh i just pulled a random link for you i don't actually have those, glad they worked out for you. in FL we have a lot of concrete houses and the only way you can hide some wires is with conduits on the walls.
you're the one that got them... you should have the link in your order history 😛
shell mason
hex keys
sand lotus
oh that's cool
lavish patrol
Today Pedro is using a potato cam. 😉
shell mason
andy sould lars deliver lars cam?
rocky reef
Cord Hider https://amzn.to/3IKVhPf
lavish patrol
Lol. Lars cam.
sand lotus
honeykeys
lavish patrol
Looks like a soccer ball.
shell mason
lavish patrol
shell mason
next step can you cnc mill ones
if you have octogon keycaps and square it make the cool shape
well octogon shape you could have triangle keycap and square ones
sand lotus
speaking of having plenty of height. i'm working on a full size remix of the iot gmailbox
custom 🐝 macropad
i saw the trilobyte and was like what in the world is that about. it's gorgeous though.
what kind of filament is it?
unreal bay
Heya, totally forgot it was on and had a 3d brothers question... How do I find the vertical qwiic connector to update an eagle design with no model associated. I remember your video, thanks! Mainly I can't find one in libraries...
sand lotus
i'm jealous of people who can do print in place. i haven't figured out my settings yet to do it.
print in place is not easy
gorgeous gradient yes
sand lotus
some of the feathers will have it on there yeah
oh the stemma hub has a bunch of verticals on it
unreal bay
Are the black ones looser in anyones experience?
sand lotus
i haven't noticed a difference other than color
unreal bay
Thanks. got some other brand cream ones that are very tight/stiff
upbeat coral
Thank you for taking time for us
sand lotus
they're all tight when brand new yes, that's normal
lavish patrol
Thanks, @hard hollow and @rocky reef 👍
viral sail
Thanks @rocky reef & @hard hollow . See you all tonight.
sand lotus
i usually intentionally wiggle them a little when brand new to loosen up the outer edges, makes it easier next time it plugs in
hard hollow
?showtimes
arctic abyssBOT
Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/ Foamyguy - 5pm ET Fridays
FoamyGuy's CircuitPython Stream - 11am ET Saturdays
wise iris
thanks guys
sand lotus
Thanks Ruiz Bros. 3D Hangouts is always a lot of fun. More layer by layer please!
hard hollow
thanks folks! cya tonight
rocky reef
thanks so much for hanging out
haughty quiver
Come on by Show & Tell https://streamyard.com/h3jeec4d6u
open surge
good evening
tulip canyon
Howdy folks
nova totem
Evening everyone
viral sail
Good evening everyone.
upbeat coral
Hey Y'll
cold elm
Ahoy all!
sage aspen
Hello
steep mica
hihihi
steep mica
I'm imaging a dog keyboard somewhere on the bench behind him...
nova totem
macropad for pet sounds
sand lotus
Liz is building her own robot orchestra one instrument at a time.
If it comes out half as good as the glockenspiel it's going to sound great.
cinder wind
that was so cool @split gazelle ! Can't wait to see it strummin'
sand lotus
an all-in-one installer is awesome! things are getting better every day one step at a time.
Needs a Blinka character to guide you through the steps, like MS clippy, a friendly character guide.
nova totem
Crazy idea - probably would take too much backend power - but with this installer could have a menu of modules to include in a build, create a custom build and load the board
cinder wind
Wow, web installer for firmware... I still cannot believe that it's possible. I've used the esptool web thing and it always surprises me. This is incredible, @sage aspen
split gazelle
thanks @cinder wind !
cold elm
I did that the other night with WLED
sand lotus
No more bootloader mode whaaat. 🤤
cold elm
it was amazing
steep mica
is the esptool stuff Chrome only? Did I make that up?
smoky island
Easy setup wizard built in to the website is awesome. Great job working on this feature Melissa! I say "Huzzah! 🎉 " for making it as easy as possible to get it loaded.
sand lotus
yes especially for esptools guy because firefox still doesn't support web serial.
steep mica
ok thought so. still great!
sand lotus
love that it dumps you straight into the online code editor
cinder wind
(On a separate topic: I would really love it if there was some way to make a UF2 of an existing working CircuitPython project. Like what we can do with Arduino. I know this is pretty impossible at the moment)
rapid hornet
🎉
steep mica
saaaame
smoky island
Really nice! Going from auto detection all the way through web editor setup is amazing
nova totem
Really amazing work @sage aspen
sage aspen
Thanks 🙂
sand lotus
good enough for 3d printer monitoring @robust horizon ❤️ so many great strides in graphics and audio lately.
nova totem
@robust horizon is the camera image display limited by the display or the camera? If you know
sand lotus
i didn't know gear ratios are rounded. 🤯
tulip canyon
JP - Blink twice if an up coming Adabox will be a DIY Digital Camera
sand lotus
always thought they were engineered so perfectly somehow they got them to exact whole numbers 🤦♂️
robust horizon
@nova totem I don't actually remember right now. this particular example bypasses displayio and talks directly to the display.
sand lotus
i did notice anne's project with the file walking. gorgeous floppy portal.
robust horizon
and now afk for some 🥪
cold elm
thi sis so awesome!
robust horizon
@spring heath your project is much funner than mine 🙂
steep mica
@cinder wind feeling brave? 😸
https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/blob/main/supervisor/shared/filesystem.c#L77
sand lotus
anne created the worlds first smart floppy?
nova totem
with a hydraulic press I bet we could make it fit
sand lotus
alright anne you gotta make a dock in the pc now with magnets or something.
honestly the coolest pyportal case i've seen yet
cinder wind
<@352910176736772096> feeling brave? 😸
https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpyth...
ahaha, yeah I've modified that for simple code.py edits but it' a real pain to install libraries (not frozen) and other files to the file system. Plus then it's now a custom version of CircuitPython
19A0s
0x123456789A...
sand lotus
yeah i remember seeing one where they designed a classic mac with a split screen, as in 2 actual monitors in 1 mac case.
really neat designs
cinder wind
that is super cool @spring heath !
nova totem
I love this clock
sand lotus
guy comes up with the weirdest and coolest creations.
wrong time is kinda diabolical though
cinder wind
"it's not evil, it's whimsical". Imma have to remember that
nova totem
I just got a couple of those sensors and can't wait to try them
tulip canyon
Pete Warden started that?
sand lotus
oh the actual camera module does that. wow. that's amazing for the size.
cinder wind
yes, that module is amazing
sand lotus
link for the person camera?
sand lotus
is it good with differentiating between cats and real people?
cinder wind
just human faces, in my experiments
tulip canyon
Commercial-lookin
smoky island
fascinating sensor, never seen that before. And great project. Thanks for sharing guy and making the library for it!
steep mica
it is not amazing at finding my baby, which is a bummer because I have so many baby projects I wanna build
nova totem
that's so cool looking @cinder wind
steep mica
fascinating sensor, never seen that before. And great project. Thanks for sharin...
thanks!! here's the lib
cinder wind
love the evil whimsical clock, @steep mica !
cinder wind
that's so cool looking <@352910176736772096>
thx!
steep mica
also the clock source: https://github.com/dupontgu/clock_that_is_wrong
viral sail
Great projects everyone. Thanks for sharing!
tulip canyon
Thanks everyone. Fantastic projects all!
sand lotus
cinder wind
Awesome projects!
nova totem
Great projects all.
smoky island
clever design with the button @sand lotus! Nicely done. It's like an external Z axis limit switch
sand lotus
yup!
upbeat coral
Thanks to all for taking time for us.
haughty quiver
awesome projects all, thanks for sharing!
open girder
WE ARE LIVE! ASK AN ENGINEER! https://youtu.be/f-aekzi6kFo
unreal bay
Beautiful calm music
lilac tusk
Beeps and boops
open girder
10% discount code, code is: clearknob http://www.adafruit.com
lilac tusk
I wish my hands worked that fast
cinder wind
dang they test fast in NYC
tulip canyon
MAKING
----- THINGS -------
lilac tusk
Who needs a pick n place when your hands move like that
unkempt shoal
I have a project where I'm using https://www.adafruit.com/product/2090 and I want what is on the screen to be displayed on a web page (integraded webserver) in real time. My thoughts were to use a HTML5 Canvas and read the video RAM somehow and display it that way. Thoughts?
brazen quail
Hola from 'rado ! 😄
dim knot
sand lotus
🫡 RIP 🎈
tulip canyon
🎈
dim knot
The US Airforce may have shot down an Amateur Radio “Pico Balloon” over Canada https://blog.adafruit.com/2023/02/16/the-us-airforce-may-have-shot-down-an-amateur-radio-pico-balloon-over-canada/
cinder wind
I dunno, with sanctions/etc, I could imagine hobbyist electronics being subbed in
cold elm
I had to step away, did that amazing engineerperson give a link to the floppy disc project?
cinder wind
wooohoo! thanks!
sand lotus
it really is an amazing controller todbot! looks gorgeous too.
cold elm
I want to start building it now 🙂
sand lotus
cold elm
Thank you !!
sand lotus
it's like drag racing for electronic testing. proving grounds.
upbeat coral
Last week I mentioned MMBasic on a Pico. This is a PicoMite VGA with Basic in a 1238 kb UF2 file. Showing a Logic analyzer program (under development- not mine). Using an old IBM PS2 Keyboard and a VGA monitor. Powered by cell phone power supply. I've played a basic version of Tetris on it till my fingers cramped up.
sand lotus
should go on show & tell next week with that duewester. that's really neat!
sand lotus
question: i first learned about resistor packs on desk of lady ada. is there something equivalent for smd capacitors? capacitor array to help make designs smaller?
brazen quail
Discount code again pretty please. 😄
open girder
10% discount code, code is: clearknob http://www.adafruit.com
upbeat coral
@sand lotus It's not my design or anything. I was jus curious about maybe we might see Python in UF2 at some point. It is kinda neat to program in Basic again, on a Pico with just a couple of components.
cinder wind
SPAAAACCCCEE CCAAAAAATT
unreal bay
That was so good, had me laughing and disturbing the neighbours
cinder wind
lol
sand lotus
pyleap or file glyder?
sand lotus
circuit python and repl does seem like a great combination for machine learning
cinder wind
Yes I like CatGPT: Cats Going Pounce on Things
and you can't use the cheap JLink commercially. and the cheapie STLinks on Amazon have pretty sus functionality. I can't wait to try this new Pico Debug Probe
sand lotus
sounds like pretty much anyone on the dev team might be interested in this as a great alternative to jlinks. for library scripters it's still a little above being necessary.
cinder wind
yeah thanks to UF2 bootloaders, SWD/JTAG programmers are nearly as needed for basic development
tulip canyon
lol yes I just did this
sand lotus
octoprint direct gpio for a Pi camera?
question: will most of the arduino classic shields be compatible with the new Metro M7?
i love how anne integrated real icons into the floppy display. great job @spring heath !
sand lotus
it's never too early to start prepping for halloween
cinder wind
Everyday is Halloween, etc etc
cold elm
well it is for me
Ugh I need a 3d printer
so many things are on hold becasue I don't have one lol
turbid hill
prusa
sand lotus
what type and thickness of casing can be used with it? Thin plastic or 3d filament? thin aluminum, iron, steel, etc..?
just saying it can be used with a casing is a little vague.
the simple mode seems to be good enough for the majority of projects where you'd want to use a simple PIR sensor. good choice of simple to use pinouts.
oh my goodness that's much smaller than i thought.
cold elm
Don't sneeze 🙂
urban gale
that is hecka cool. Could do wonderful things w/ two of those
dim knot
AGS02MA I2C TVOC Gas Sensor https://www.adafruit.com/product/5593
8mm 12MP Portrait Lens for M12 High-Quality Camera https://www.adafruit.com/product/5701
haughty quiver
Everyday is Halloween, etc etc
Tod shows up nightly at his neighbor's doors asking for candy.
dim knot
Raspberry Pi Debug Probe Kit https://www.adafruit.com/product/5699
tulip canyon
Regarding those zoomed images... Has anyone picked up Open Circuits?
Looks like a beautiful book. Author Evil Mad Scientist
https://opencircuitsbook.com/
haughty quiver
Yes, it is wonderful!
tulip canyon
Yes, it is wonderful!
Thanks, Purchasing...
sand lotus
todbot & JP already trying to figure out how to turn that debugger into a synth? 😛
cinder wind
YES Open Circuits is great. We got a copy for our nephews and have been showing them the internals of things. They have been tolerating us doing that
cold elm
🙂
dim knot
Clear Micro Potentiometer Knob - 4 pack https://www.adafruit.com/product/5676
sand lotus
great for RGB potentiometers. definitely picking some of those up.
tulip canyon
CLEARKNOB
sand lotus
S3-Reverse TFT has arrived.
dim knot
Adafruit ESP32-S3 Reverse TFT Feather - 4MB Flash, 2MB PSRAM, STEMMA QT https://www.adafruit.com/product/5691
cinder wind
todbot & JP already trying to figure out how to turn that debugger into a synth?...
hey you can install CircuitPython on it I think and the two SWD pins are GPIO12 & GPIO14, so just audio = audiopwmio.PWMAudio(board.GPIO12); audio.play(open("drumloop.wav","rb"))
sand lotus
The S2-Reverse TFT sold out in minutes on this weeks JP's product pick of the week. People very much LOVE the reverse TFT versions.
i think it's the TFT and built in button combination that makes it so desirable. a tft you don't have to add external buttons for navigation will always be popular.
nova totem
@open girder Question: Any thoughts what you would use as a switch to detect two physically light objects in contact/moving apart. Such as one lego brick pressing down towards another. Most switches I've found require too much force
balmy steppe
Question for Ask an Engineer: Hi, I am working towards launching my first product/brand. What are a few things you wish you would have known or have done differently when you first started Adafruit?
sand lotus
right now would be a good time to use the elmo presenter with drawing arrows 😉
cinder wind
that chip is huge
sand lotus
Metro M7 is here! 500Mhz!!!
cold elm
I am sitting here watching my next few paychecks go out the window 🙂
loud narwhal
What’s your favorite object to use for cap touch sensors. I’m using coins but need something smaller to hotglue to the enclosure
echo canopy
Question
With many boards having QWIIIC connected meant for I2c, since it brings out two pins that are capable of general GPIO, is there any engineering comments you’d pass on to someone manipulating the pins for “other use” @open girder
sand lotus
oh what are the dip switches for? ah boot sel. got it.
turbid hill
Q: Status of Adabox
brazen quail
Myth on 3 cap values being good idea ! Dr. Bogatin
sand lotus
Q: is it possible to use displayport plugs instead of the dsub/dvi for the scorpio bones? same signal different connector?
unkempt shoal
I have a project where I'm using https://www.adafruit.com/product/2090 and I wan...
This was for Arduino instead of Pi.
nova totem
Thanks for the answer, sometimes just nice to hear that a problem is "hard" and it isn't just me!
tulip canyon
Question: Ever bringing back the trivia quiz?
I've already once in LadyAda lifetime so I'm no longer eligible but still fun
wraith thunder
reaction video watching the first video when? : D
balmy steppe
Thanks
cinder wind
yeah check out my tacky MacroPadSynthPlug for abusing StemmaQT port for doing audio & MIDI instead of I2C
upbeat coral
Thank you for taking time for us
viral sail
Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌒
tulip canyon
Thanks @open girder Have a great week!
sand lotus
Thank you for another great episode. Double thanks for the extra overtime episode this week, that was really cool.
cold elm
Huzzah! Cheap is good!
cinder wind
thanks @open girder !
dim knot
Night all!
cold elm
Speaking of sharing stuff, here's something for all of ya : https://soundcloud.com/apdel/adafruit-new-2023-mix-and-master?si=a7e75d5b92664d3392b19109c60c5600&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
sand lotus
OK that's great Delchi. Great Adafruit jingle!
cold elm
🙂
sand lotus
It's got that classic like 1960's vibe to it.
cold elm
Exactly. The whole album does
back when they made records ' for kids ' with stories and songs and stuff
sand lotus
It's perfect
steep mica
Had to run to put baby down during ask an engineer - Thanks for the shout @open girder ♥️
lavish patrol
👋 😀
inner spade
👋❄️
viral sail
Good afternoon.
cinder wind
we have hail here in Southern California
lavish patrol
All hail SC 😉
viral sail
I've been to the Hale telescope in Southern California.
cinder wind
lol to all of you
lavish patrol
Lol. Our work here is done.
cinder wind
😂
ivory flax
Did I miss the show?????
lavish patrol
Not yet. 😉
haughty quiver
@ivory flax just starting!
lavish patrol
I hear the Voice of Lars...
cinder wind
JP's a movie star. he 's about ready to stroll in with a sbux cup and sunglasses, waves away the director, hands his PA the coffee cup, whips off the sunglasses... "let's do this"
ivory flax
ah sweet. Hi John Parks
haughty quiver
Lars was in the original RCA logo
lavish patrol
Lol
sand lotus
Good afternoon
thrifty shopper! 🙂
nothing compared to the deals Phil B gets at his magical thrift store
Phil B finds the most amazing stuff
i love stepped drill bits, they come in multiple sizes. reamers too.
lavish patrol
Reamers. 👍
sand lotus
another thing i picked up recently is mini tap & die set for 1mm to 3mm stuff for heat inserts
lavish patrol
Sugru 👍
sand lotus
mini tap sets can come in handy if you strip threads
lavish patrol
Or those spring things if you need to use the original screw.
sand lotus
the little grub screws that come in most adafruit knobs is great. i prefer that type. the anodized aluminum ones are gorgeous too.
oh that's smart, nice mod
great learn guide. i'm definitely going to get into this stuff someday. the pepe version is calling my name.
i'd never heard of rj-14 before. rj-11 yes.
cinder wind
RJ-14 is headset size, RJ-11 is wall-jack size
sand lotus
must be before my time, i've never seen a headset with that connector only 3.5mm
cinder wind
old telephone stuff. often called "modular jacks"
sand lotus
JP's a meowsic enthusiast now
lavish patrol
Lol
sand lotus
that's actually good to know for anyone trying to take one apart. i can't think of any way to do it without destroying the alignment pegs.
reminds me of a weed wacker spool
actually, it's more like a lawn mower pull cord retraction mechanism.
lavish patrol
🐶 🐶
inner spade
I’ve been mostly successful when drilling a cable out of a molded strain relief —by hand.
sand lotus
correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't there a project involving the prop maker featherwing that kind of had a vocoder built in?
that sounds dangerous cgrover. if he cuts it open then it's not going to work as a strain relief anymore.
yeah it's rj-14 i looked it up
i mean you could use ethernet if you really wanted to but the plugs are a bit bigger
ah it's for the small wire in the retractor
inner spade
that sounds dangerous cgrover. if he cuts it open then it's not going to work a...
Not that risky. Start with a small bit in a pin vice and work up to a larger and larger bit.
sand lotus
ohh i thought you mean you were holding it IN your hand
inner spade
ohh i thought you mean you were holding it IN your hand
I’m exceedingly shy around sharp tools. High voltage, too.
cinder wind
you shouldn't see noise on the data from long I2C runs, just the bus will hang and your sketch will halt
sand lotus
i got the adafruit lightning to usb plug. can't wait to play with synthone on the ipad and a midi controller.
i think the terminator was for ethernet?
or at least that's what i planned on using it with.
inner spade
A shielded 4-conductor USB cable may work, as well.
sand lotus
and you can find usb flat cables too but usb wires are tiny.
cinder wind
I think this thing: https://www.adafruit.com/product/4756
sand lotus
yes that's the one. i was going to use it with ethernet and rj45 for about a 75 ft run.
too many projects never enough time
lavish patrol
@sand lotus Too true. 🤔
sand lotus
i thought the S3 box and voice recognition would take off by now so was going to set it up for smart home integration.
because Alexa is becoming a pain in my rear.
i think todbot's got the low profile thing down pretty well 😉
good for slim enclosures, less to 3D print, less forgiving for tall internal components though.
ah is that the stuff on 3D hangouts with the honeycomb macropad? i didn't notice if they were low profile switches.
do designs like this use the LED as the diode for a diode matrix?
lavish patrol
Honeycomb.
sand lotus
that's a 12 key
I 3D printed the step switch caps. Definitely possible to 3D print different key caps for stuff. You still have to get the switches though.
inner spade
I live for (and with) diatonic musical scales.
sand lotus
You can get far more detail out of a resin printer but thin parts are more brittle and crack easier. FDM prints are more durable. I'm actually learning how to print clear stuff recently. Clear key caps definitely possible.
viral sail
Thanks @haughty quiver . Have a great weekend everyone.
inner spade
Thanks!
haughty quiver
thanks everyone
sand lotus
learning how to do custom footprints for parts is an integral part of learning pcb design.
thanks JP!
lavish patrol
Great workshop, @haughty quiver 👍
cinder wind
Thanks JP! Yay all this talk of Choc keyswitches! Should I resurrect my 'plinkykeeb' project from last year? https://mastodon.social/@todbot/109916319194865642
sand lotus
@cinder wind yes that looks much more enjoyable to use than touch boards for extended sessions.
i mean no offense, just my fingers hurt looking at full boards of touch only stuff.
haughty quiver
Choc keeb but it's made of chalk flavored chocolate
cinder wind
haha yeah. on the one hand, capsense is cheap and hard to use. on the other hand, it's also difficult to be accurate with. on the third hand, it offers no tactile feedback
sand lotus
that's doable, i know there's someone out there who has a 3d printing chocolate business. that's all they do. i used to see them on twitter all the time but i stopped using twitter.
chocolate keyboard actually sounds like a great geeky gift.
shipping during summer probably a logistical nightmare though.
proper prawn
Happy Friday Tim and all present
inner spade
👋
sand lotus
good evening ☕
Blinka = Circuit Python on SBC's
❤️
clueception
an OS without a display is known as a headless install, might be worth mentioning this is being done as a headless project.
it's been years since i've used a pi, does it have github integration so you can do stuff like circup via cmd line?
oh i thought circup used github somehow
still never used circup yet
why python 2? is that because it's a model 3?
ohhh oops
ensuring it doesn't need sudo means no manual intervention every time you want to use a SPI/I2C GPIO? did it always work that way, sounds very inconvenient.
like what's the upside of being able to work without sudo?
ah i was thinking the opposite that it would be less secure to do the same stuff without sudo.
ancient grotto
Good afternoon!
strong acorn
soo-d'oh, or soo-doo? that like GIF and GIF
sand lotus
that's a good point, since i think it's short for super user do
sand lotus
same, just part of american english i guess
exactly is it Ju-doh or Ju-doo? 😛
GIF is a hard G since it stands for graphic
graphics are not made of peanut butter
strong acorn
JPEG, since it's short for Joint Photographic Experts Group, is pronounced Jay-FEG :p
fallow fractal
linefeed after progress bar LOL
sand lotus
they look like progress bars
fallow fractal
yes
terminal is issuing a LF when it shouldn't
Gee, Peg what did you do with the jpeg?
@smoky island sorry, joined in late - did you install the entire stack without sudo, but python with?
very cool - useful for teachers
sand lotus
Pretty
fallow fractal
blinky blinky (the more advanced version of lighting an LED :))
Indeed - and some immediate gratification, which new coders need to have
sand lotus
Should be a way in simpletest to switch GRB or whatever right?
sand lotus
Printing individual colors as they cycle through could help validate. Id like to think that should be in a simpletest.
inner spade
Still working on the new StringCar FeatherWing today. Having fun refactoring the old M0 custom board's CircuitPython code to work on the M4. Getting plenty of reminders from the old code that my coding skills have improved. Streams like this one have made a real difference.
fallow fractal
It thinks you're not you
sand lotus
Holes are a great idea for power to weight ratio. Very nice.
fallow fractal
there you go
sand lotus
Oh nice custom board.
inner spade
Oh nice custom board.
My first CircuitPython board.
fallow fractal
cool @inner spade - what is the cylindrical gizmo on top?
inner spade
cool <@339922377746022402> - what is the cylindrical gizmo on top?
That's the drive motor. The battery is on the other side.
sand lotus
Looks great. Would 2 motors to grip the line be better? More traction?
fallow fractal
sweet - very clean looking setup
sand lotus
Are there weight classes?
inner spade
Looks great. Would 2 motors to grip the line be better? More traction?
More than one pulley is certainly an advantage for traction and stability. Never tried more than one motor, though. (Asking a question like that means that you're getting into the spirit of the challenge!)
inner spade
Are there weight classes?
Not in our family "league." We only have the Speedy and Smart classes (Gump and BoomerPong).
fallow fractal
oh, that is it
sand lotus
Well im into 3d printing lately and those use multiple rubber wheels and metal extruder gears for gripping filament.
timid dock
If the original PR author has not updated with suggestions, then I would just open a new PR.
fallow fractal
@timid dock yep
timid dock
New PR, and #reference the old PR
fallow fractal
yes, easiest way to do this
link gets messy
reference is better, easier to follow later
timid dock
There is a way to compare two branches. Even across forks.. I just don't remember where on the UI to do it.
Go to base url + compare... https://github.com/org/repo/compare
That's it.
sand lotus
multiple animations running?
import multicolor instead of import comet?
nvm that's the function name
noble grove
When it happens seems very random
noble grove
at least once it started OK then messed up then went back to OK
Is there any way to check whether something else is using the spi bus?
from the linux side
sand lotus
neopixels designed for I2C bus speeds and not SPI speed for built in IC clock rate?
noble grove
Is that sending the single colours continuously, or only once?
pretty sure spi is faster than i2c
noble grove
Thanks Tim
inner spade
Thanks!
proper prawn
Thank you again Tim. Good night y'all
ancient grotto
Thank you
sand lotus
technically SPI neopixels should be able to run twice as fast as I2C but most neopixel drivers are I2C
noble grove
@sand lotus only if you use miso
sand lotus
Thanks for another great stream. ❤️
I honestly didn't even know you could drive neopixels with SPI in any fashion.
noble grove
I honestly didn't even know you could drive neopixels with SPI in any fashion.
It's not true spi.
sand lotus
I guess the neopixel IC has to be compatible with the SPI protocol to really take advantage of the increase in bus speed.
yeah
it's neat that it even works at all on a spi pin
problem might be that it's just blasting data. no clock or cs?
noble grove
I guess the neopixel IC has to be compatible with the SPI protocol to really tak...
SPI has a clock signal, neopixel only data, only the data rates are similar. It's a hack.
smoky island
I think it's not using the actual SPI protocol. Just using the PIN that is meant for SPI as the data pin for the neopixel. But I am not certain tbh.
sand lotus
right but spi clock is probably twice what i2c clock is that the neopixel driver is expecting?
i don't fully understand the spi or i2c clock protocols either, just guessing.
noble grove
I believe DotStars are more like SPI
i2c you send an address (including direction) and subsequent clocks write or read data...
noble grove
spi selects the device with a select line and all clocks write and read data, if mosi and miso are both connected.
sand lotus
spi selection of the device still needs an address of some kind? how would it know which device to select.
noble grove
neopixels would get confused by the address at the beginning and the timing of i2c
inner spade
I’d guess that an SPI pin or UART pin is fed from a clocked shift register peripheral where the clock is controlled by a timer. The SPI data protocol is likely in the code layer, bypassed when communicating to a Neopixel.
sand lotus
is spi not chainable like i2c?
noble grove
You can chain spi
sand lotus
only time i've used spi is for 1 display device. haven't tried more than 1 device on a bus to my knowledge. unlike i2c which i've chained tons of stuff.
ok, thank you
jovial estuary
you can share an SPI bus, but you typically need a dedicated select line for each target
sand lotus
that makes more sense. so the cs is like an i2c address.
ok so for neopixels would you have to cs each individual neopixel?
noble grove
since i2c and spi both use an explicit clock theoretically they could run at any speed but I think spi devices are typically designed to have a higher max
jovial estuary
NeoPixels aren't SPI; they're a special self-clocking protocol
inner spade
I2C and SPI are parallel busses, technically not chained like NeoPixels where each device retransmits the originating data stream.
jovial estuary
I2C is often physically chained but with an electrically parallel bus (like in Stemma or Qwiic)
sand lotus
ohhhhh my fundamental understanding of neopixels was way off then. this is good info.
jovial estuary
DotStars are similar to NeoPixels in being individually addressable smart LEDs, but they talk SPI
noble grove
I also believe that it is more typical for i2c to have gaps between bytes whereas spi is commonly used with continuous data...
which is why I think it is preferred for running neopixels
sand lotus
i thought all neopixels were I2C only 🤦♂️
jovial estuary
there are boards like seesaw that can translate from I2C to NeoPixel protocol
noble grove
ohhhhh my fundamental understanding of neopixels was way off then. this is good ...
DotStars are more like spi, but neopixels are their own beast
I'd say more like 1wire, but those are addressed like i2c but without a clock
More like UART but one start and many many data bits
strong acorn
@inner spade serial busses, but parallel in that sense of how multiple devices connect 😉
(serial in the sense of all data streamed out on one data line)
inner spade
Yes, serial data transfer. “Daisy chained” they are not.
noble grove
but the uart hardware in microcontrollers is only designed to work 8 bits at a time wheras spi hardware is designed for long uninterrupted strings of bits.
noble grove
Yes, serial data transfer. “Daisy chained” they are not.
Depends what you mean by “Daisy chained”
I would definitely say that neopixels are “Daisy chained”
inner spade
Indeed.
noble grove
spi devices can also be “Daisy chained” or parralle...
inner spade
Current loop (original) MIDI is another example.
noble grove
the share the mosi and miso lines, whether they are “Daisy chained” depends on whether they share the select lines or not
yes, original midi was daisy-chained.
inner spade
Wouldn’t have thought of it in that way, but I suppose the chip select line could be chained like that to reduce the number of CS lines needed from the host.
A clever trick.
sand lotus
interesting
lilac tusk
interesting
noble grove
actually, daisy-chained spi devices share the CS line but controller goes to mosi line on first device then miso on the first device goes to mosi on the second device, then miso on the second (n-th) device goes back to the concroller.
inner spade
Ah. I get it now.
lilac tusk
actually, daisy-chained spi devices share the CS line but controller goes to mos...
Are they sharing the same mosi/miso lines?
noble grove
so you select the row of chips then send out enough bit to fill all the devices and simultaneously receive all the incoming data
lilac tusk
Seems like there’d be jumbled up data if they shared all the same lines. Unless you were writing to two identical displays
inner spade
And the devices have to be capable of repeating the incoming data, correct?
lilac tusk
Hmm… seems like not a good idea in practice
One of those “yeah you can do it, but you really shouldn’t”
noble grove
Are they sharing the same mosi/miso lines?
no, they share the select line and daisy-chained the mosi and miso lines...
lilac tusk
That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
sand lotus
IC's specifically for SPI should take care of that I'd hope.
noble grove
not usually done that in hobbyist space
lilac tusk
I’ve never seen that recommended in any commercial design specs
inner spade
not usually done that in hobbyist space
Happy for that. Debugging anything chained takes it up a level.
noble grove
usually done on motherboards when there aren't enough select line available, e.g. to read all the tempereture sensors at once.
inner spade
I’ve seen it mentioned in data sheets but didn’t have a reason to pause for understanding.
lilac tusk
Seems like the peripherals have to support daisychaining
Not all SPI devices are capable of shifting DIN to DOUT is what I’m gathering
noble grove
There it is in the second example "The Daisy-Chain Alternative" but I think you would want to pick your devices carefully to avoid stretch states (or I may be getting that mixed up with a different protocol)
lilac tusk
But that’s definitely cool to know is possible
noble grove
Not all SPI devices are capable of shifting DIN to DOUT is what I’m gathering
If it has DIN or DOUT pins its not spi. spi uses mosi and miso.
sand lotus
Similar to i2c, is there a speed advantage vs i2c with this method?
noble grove
there maybe some spi "compatible" devices that don't pass mosi to miso after sending out the data, but if they call themselves spi devices then that's just wrong.
inner spade
Chaining would introduce per-device delays, I’d think, just like with neopixels.
That’s an issue with MIDI.
sand lotus
Thats what i was thinking. If its part of spi then any spi devices should have the capability otherwise they might as well call it a different protocol.
noble grove
Chaining would introduce per-device delays, I’d think, just like with neopixels.
no, they send the data that is in the miso register on clock.
lilac tusk
If it has DIN or DOUT pins its not spi. spi uses mosi and miso.
I’m not calling the pins “DIN” “DOUT” just going off the way analog describes the data flow in that article
sand lotus
From what i read yeah seems like dout happens on next clock pulse.
inner spade
no, they send the data that is in the miso register on clock.
Ah, not filtered like with neopixels.
noble grove
I’m not calling the pins “DIN” “DOUT” just going off the way analog describes th...
Sorry, I missed that.
sand lotus
This is all really neat info gordiegii, thank you for sharing this.
lilac tusk
One thing I dislike about “SPI compatible” devices is when they use I2C pin labels when it’s still spi constructed data packets
Like some SPI displays
noble grove
Ah, not filtered like with neopixels.
no. there are 2 shift registers inside the device, one s to p coming from the mosi (d-in) pin and one p to s going to the miso pin they are chained internally so if you send 16 clocks the second byte you get will be the command you send...
inner spade
This discussion is why I like this forum. Thanks everyone!
noble grove
If you have to send a start signal then you will either get garbage the first time or the previous data on subsequent transceptions. (Yeah I made up a word. Sue me)
lilac tusk
If you have to send a start signal then you will either get garbage the first ti...
Are you billy cheeler?
noble grove
Lighting someone else's candle from yours makes the whole room brighter.
lilac tusk
(Lawyer bear from Bluey Unicorse episode)
noble grove
That episode doesn't seem to be available.
episode is. clip is not
soon my grand-daughter will be old enough for that stuff.
smoky island
Starting up for the morning now. I am making an attempt at a 7color eink display driver. Follow along on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3LbjytTYvc or Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch
clever summit
Morning Tim. It's five in the afternoon here.
Sound is excellent, what mic are you using?
inner spade
Morning, actual morning here.☕
upper sandal
oh yeah I used a mouse like that, it was ok, but turns out my hand is fine with the mouse I have now with many buttons on the side so I put back in a drawer
sand lotus
How long did it take for your Pimironi display to arrive? Any idea? I've been waiting on a shipment from them for 3 weeks now. 😦
brazen chasm
hello boys and gals
clever summit
I love my Apple Magic Mouse. No need to grip it, I just rest my hand on it and move my arm. Will never experience mouse arm or carpal tunnel syndrome. Also it has touch on top for scrolling and stuff.
upper sandal
speaking of Pimoroni (they sell them), have you seen those M5 Stack I2C thingies ?
https://shop.m5stack.com/products/8-encoder-unit-stm32f030
https://shop.m5stack.com/products/8-angle-unit-with-potentiometer
clever summit
M5stack is ESP based stuff.
upper sandal
they use Grove (I think) and have a bunch of expansion boards like that
plus the stacking ones
clever summit
They do have a decent sized community as well.
upper sandal
those 8-knob things made me think @sand lotus needs to add that to the thingamabob
clever summit
Yup, the enclosures is what makes them stand out.
sand lotus
Yes Uhura is from Austin Powers 2. She worked the console on Dr. Evils volcano island. She had that 70's jive vibe to her. She got electrocuted by the relay antenna console and died.
yeah i went full in on that one 🙂 that was funny though.
Uhura is from Star Trek Tim. Star Trek.
upper sandal
I feel like the Enterprise doesn't have great electrical design for a spaceship of the future
sand lotus
Thankfully they still iterate in the future. They eventually upgraded.
inner spade
I love watching retro Hollywood keyboards and computer props. Always packed with explosives and high voltages. Glad that we’re using 3.3v and li-poly instead.
clever summit
Like LiPo isn't explosive? 🙂
inner spade
Imagine what would happen when dividing by zero.
sand lotus
@upper sandal OH MY... 🤤 Those looks amazing. Do want. Thank you.
bookmarked
at 128mm could easily fit 2 of them in the TR-Cowbell enclosure too. need to turn knobs intensifies.
upper sandal
on the schematic the buttons are on D5, D6, D16 and D24
I2C is for the hat EEPROM ?
sand lotus
cross-referencing pins between pinout diagrams is always a brain exercise.
upper sandal
D numbers are GPIO numbers
sand lotus
yeah looks like the numbers closest to the pins are the D pins.
upper sandal
sand lotus
after working with feathers for so long seeing 2 long columns of pins seems so close together. one dropped piece of metal and you could short so many pins together. 😛
Why would you ever want ram height & width not equal to display height & width?
Do they not have default values?
Not busy_pin, i see busy_state instead?
Your arg in the function is using busy_pin but kwarg name is busy_state. Not sure if that makes a difference.
Think i saw it in the code py after ram height and ram width. However now i can see busy_pin looks like a valid arg name.
Init sequences are voodoo to me still. I figured it out for the 7 segment display but that was 1 byte per line., easy. The multibyte inits are so foreign looking i think half of them are made up. 😅
I think they’re related to hardware registers but its over my head so not sure how inits translate from registers.
inner spade
The 3-color displays have 40+ SPI registers for everything from power-up to temperature control. Yikes!
First byte looks like a register address, perhaps?
It’s confusing to read byte streams with an imbedded ASCII character that represents a byte.
inner spade
🎉
sand lotus
Does it do that cycling every time it needs to change a color? I dont understand the cycling purpose.
Colors do look crisp when it settles though.
inner spade
0x FFA500
sand lotus
Ok that was a bit large of a gif. Congrats. Big progress.
You learn more doing things the hard way though.
I usually do everything the hard ways, finding all the ways to fail… usually not on purpose but you learn all the ways not to do something.
Which has value for experience
inner spade
Great stream today. Brain hurts a little but that’s supposed to be a good thing.
sand lotus
Really cool to see how a 7 color eink works. Great stream.
open girder
LIVE in 10 mins! The Desk of Ladyada - Metro M7 & More Feather Bones https://youtu.be/MJDYLaLlHQ0
WE ARE LIVE! The Desk of Ladyada - Metro M7 & More Feather Bones https://youtu.be/MJDYLaLlHQ0
lilac tusk
evening
viral sail
Good evening.
lilac tusk
I'm glad the metro M7 is coming 🙂
fresh flame
hello Ladyada!
lilac tusk
I'm doing kind of a bone's setup to add an FPGA to a feather with an RP2040
I need to do some rearrangng 🙂
smaller caps maybe the first time I do 0201 x_x
covert crag
2-4-6-8, lower the current or you won't appreciate [the EMI]
dreamy notch
I believe it's been asked before, but would you confirm again if one of the later Feather RP2040 Bones will be one with an ESP32 Airlift coprocessor?
It wouldn't be price competitive to Pi-PICOW, but would be feather-standard pinout, have StemmaQT, a USB-C interface, and integrated battery capability.
brazen quail
Discount code revealed yet ?
covert crag
I believe it's been asked before, but would you confirm again if one of the late...
Do you really want PIO etc? Trying to work out why that'd be better than a regular ESP32/S2 Feather.
dreamy notch
Better than ESP32 due to native USB, though true, similar function provided by S2 (and S3 as the code matures)
covert crag
Yeah, though not sure how the RP2040 compares to the S2 in terms of performance
brazen quail
Eyespi to hdmi good idea ?
covert crag
Any chance you've been able to get around to working on that ABLIC S-35710 timer breakout?
dreamy notch
I did say (guessed) it'd be a "later" board 🙂
brazen quail
Discount code ?
viral sail
Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌒
covert crag
Night
rapid hornet
dyno is down
lilac tusk
Ah okay that’s what I figured
sand lotus
?showtimes
haughty quiver
NOW
inner spade
👋
viral sail
Good afternoon.
ivory flax
Hey JP hope your doing well.
sand lotus
drowsy inlet
Hello PPotW people
next compass
Hello John! Happy Tuesday.
split gazelle
good afternoon folks
sand lotus
the LCD backpack is like 4x the size of a qt py. how times have changed.
the microcontrollers are smaller than the backpacks now
inner spade
The retro workhorses of displays now updated!
sand lotus
ikr, that's pretty cool. is it really retro if it's refreshed and updated?
20x4 is nice
grand tusk
Minimum Viable Logo: I like it!
waxen bough
I learned my lesson last week. Already ordered 2 controllers and one each of the LCDs. I'll probably box each set with a QTPy too, just to have a usb external display.
grand tusk
That's how we play this game.
waxen bough
LOL, the captioning on YouTube said "Stomach ET" when JP said "Stemma QT"
sand lotus
Last week was unusually brutal though.
drowsy inlet
just curious, would the code be able to determine which lcd is connected automatically? ie, programmatically determine big screen or not, rather than manually setting that flag?
waxen bough
Last week was unusually brutal though.
It was an extraordinary deal on an extraordinary product! Or just I say "more extraordinary than the usual extraordinary".
cinder wind
“Stomach ET” is the sequel to both
“Aliens” and “E.T.”
sand lotus
ohh the backpack and the actual lcd are separate and all of them are on sale.
the backpack https://www.adafruit.com/product/292
20x4 LCD https://www.adafruit.com/product/198
16x2 LCD https://www.adafruit.com/product/181
display code before network code next time 😉
those LCD's bring back some memories of cursing in my garage trying to learn C++ and Arduino.
viral sail
Thanks @haughty quiver
waxen bough
Note: by properly programming the graphic of the definable characters, you can make a passable bar-graph display.
sand lotus
Thanks JP 🙂
drowsy inlet
good stuff like always. thanks JP!
sand lotus
old school updated to new school again. great job
inner spade
Thanks!
gray obsidian
Missed the stream but … would the backpack board be able to monitor something else driving the LCD? A friend with visual impairment had to replace the LCDs on his synths for brighter ones, but it's still not easy to read them. I've been thinking monitoring the signals could allow recreating the display on, say, a browser, or even do TTS on them…
sand lotus
@gray obsidian that sounds like a question for Lady Ada on Ask an Engineer. She fields questions at the end of the live stream on Wednesday's.
Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/ Foamyguy - 5pm ET Fridays
FoamyGuy's CircuitPython Stream - 11am ET Saturdays
haughty quiver
@gray obsidian that's a good question -- do you know how the LCDs in the synths are currently driven?
gray obsidian
No but it's probably some of the common protocols, I'd have to dig that.
shell mason
good beats too
gray obsidian
But if the pins can used as inputs at least in theory it's possible. Though any other board with enough I/Os could as well
gray obsidian
Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays...
thanks but ET doesn't mean much to me, I'm on UTC+1 😛
cinder wind
But if the pins can used as inputs at least in theory it's possible. Though any ...
Yeah the backpack is using a MCP23008 when in I2C mode https://learn.adafruit.com/using-mcp23008-mcp23017-with-circuitpython
So conceivably you can read the lines
gray obsidian
I mean I've seen the movie but… Oh, you mean EST I suppose? Eastern Standard Time (EST), UTC-5?
gray obsidian
Yeah the backpack is using a MCP23008 when in I2C mode https://learn.adafruit.co...
Thanks, I'll have a look later.
Oh the Roland D-50 service guide has the pinouts… LCD Unit… VO, RS, R/W, E, and 8bit of data…
One more project on my TODO list I suppose 🙂
I'd probably need to design a specific board anyway for that…
lavish patrol
Good afternoon all. 😀
upbeat coral
Hey Y'll
sand lotus
Good morning ☕
lavish patrol
Bleep Bloop
wise iris
good morning!
opaque hearth
Good Day! ☕
rocky reef
good morning folks!
shell mason
good morning 3d printers
noble eagle
Having issue connecting via ssh on raspberry pi 400 even if I installed and enabled ssh.
sand lotus
@noble eagle Best to ask Pi help questions in the help-with-linux-sbcs channel https://discord.com/channels/327254708534116352/538149593246859313
SBC = single board computer
lavish patrol
FloppyPortal...
noble eagle
<@971463875994198026> Best to ask Pi help questions in the help-with-linux-sbcs ...
Thanks
sand lotus
pagination is pronounced 'page-eh-nation'
because you're going through different pages
but you can pronounce it JIF if you want
rocky reef
unreal bay
Just got the reverse s2 tft feather delivered, whats the latest brothers creation I should be trying?
sand lotus
That is is amazing project. Very well thought out and designed. @spring heath knocked it out of the park. Bravo.
unreal bay
Oooh the floppy, does the metal tab slide back and forth?
unreal bay
Yeah i did see that, came a week after I'd just done an octoprint mod 🤦♂️
rocky reef
or just the stand https://learn.adafruit.com/stand-for-feather-esp32-with-reverse-tft
sand lotus
All the reverse TFT mounting projects lately are really cool.
unreal bay
I like the panel element, was thinking of taking the air monitor one and adapting. But currently distracted with the SMARS mini-xl and a radar concept
gray obsidian
At least it's thicker than real floppies so you don't risk inserting in a drive 😄
sand lotus
If you have a 3D printer I feel like an air quality sensor should be printed inside a 3D printed nose. That would be cute.
shell mason
andy not lars-nation?
gray obsidian
Well they still are copyrighted, not like Apple cares but eh.
unreal bay
If you have a 3D printer I feel like an air quality sensor should be printed ins...
I liked the cloud one on adafruit learn, and the rocket.
sand lotus
They did change up icons regularly in 9. All the aqua stuff was gorgeous.
gray obsidian
Use the wheel behind as a rotary encoder!
sand lotus
Adding a spring to the floppy cover would be neat. Not sure what you'd put behind there though. Maybe a hidden SD card input?
sand lotus
There's a way to disable that. You have to disable the USB plugin but if you use USB to print you're kinda hosed.
I'm still walking the SD card to the next room to 3d print so I could afford to rip that USB plugin out. Cura no longer messes with my circuit python devices.
You can print clear PLA or PETG but the amount of infill required is mind blowing for anything big.
If you have a mirror bed the first couple layers are crystal clear... like glass.
shell mason
some could use eink display and the some of nfc for communication for get what store to floppy
sand lotus
That's why I went with the TFT featherwing but that's been out of stock longer than the pyportal. I can throw any feather on the back of the TFT featherwing. They really need to make a new one.
❤️ weather stations!
Floppys used to have storage caddies and the metal side was always designed to be on the bottom.
now I guess it's more like the backwards toilet paper roll. to each their own.
floppies used to actually be floppy
gray obsidian
Do copy that floppy!!!
sand lotus
and oddly enough they called the 1.44mb ones floppies... makes no sense they're not floppy.
gray obsidian
🎶
wise iris
I am pretty sure the labels were "upside-down" because of how you view them while inserting into the drive
lavish patrol
8" Floppies - 180k capacity. 😮
sand lotus
oh that looks like super long distance runner stuff... never worn one, i don't run anymore unless it's to the mailbox to snag an adafruit package.
sand lotus
knowing your printers tolerance is very important. measuring everything once, twice, 10 times, then printing, and wondering how you measured wrong because it still doesn't fit.
wise iris
I haven't watched it yet, but this video was recommended to me https://youtu.be/yzPqBt2SrcE
sand lotus
proper maker featherwing still #1 for cosplay. hope adafruit revisits it this year with an rp2040 and i2s audio.
yup, i just watched that one yesterday. great video. there's a better one out there by an engineer that's really really good.
wise iris
I'll watch that too if you have a link! I'm still getting the hang of printing complex things to actually use
thanks!@
sand lotus
you can snap apart regular perf board if you need something smaller than a permaproto
gray obsidian
I haven't watched it yet, but this video was recommended to me https://youtu.be...
Yeah watched it like yesterday. Nice hints.
sand lotus
actually with a large enough perfboard you could cut it into a semi circle to fit in there nicely.
maybe some of that translucent film that Erin St. Blaine uses a lot would look pretty on the top.
First FPS game I ever played was Marathon on Mac. 😉
polyphonic midi 
upper sandal
First FPS game I ever played was Marathon on Mac. 😉
they killed Bob !
sand lotus
sounds great too. that much polyphony is awesome.
i think adafruit sells a key variety tester so you can try out the different types of switches and find out which style you like best.
doesn't seem to be one for the choc switches specifically, only the mx compatible ones.
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4973 for the key feeling tester
Nautilus
well, an ancestor to a nautilus maybe?
opaque hearth
Not as impressive, but shell printing related. I modeled this last week, creating the bump design with a black and white image.
ionic crag
sand lotus
stand reminds me of a mac display design. very clean.
lavish patrol
More owls. 🦉 😀
rocky reef
https://www.printables.com/model/7268-prop-maker-keyblade/comments - propmaker keyblade
sand lotus
only time, a level bed, proper z-offset, and a hundred correct settings. 😛
sand lotus
assignable wav files would be a drum machine
though today the lines are blurred between a drum machine, sampler, sequencer, etc..
🦉 owl let you know that looks beautiful.
i'm still working on my full size gmailbox remix. going to take a couple weeks at this rate.
viral sail
Thanks @rocky reef & @hard hollow . See you all tonight.
upbeat coral
Thank you for taking time for us.
sand lotus
might show off progress on my mailbox tonight if i can get the audio sounding better.
lavish patrol
Thanks, @hard hollow and @rocky reef 👍
sand lotus
Thank you for another great episode of cool 3D printed stuff.
hard hollow
thanks folks! cya tonight
rocky reef
thanks so much for hanging out folks!
shell mason
great show
nova spoke
thank you guys for a great stream and @hard hollow if you use ninjaflex, you'd need to make it 5.25" instead of 3.5" 🙂
upbeat coral
Hey Y'll
viral sail
Good evening everyone.
split gazelle
here is the link to join show and tell https://streamyard.com/u6fyifsxae
sand lotus
Good evening
haughty quiver
Hi all!
nova totem
Evening everyone
haughty quiver
open surge
hi folks
noble grove
Greetings and salutations
noble grove
Is that Max Headroom?
cold elm
I just bought the parts to make this
cinder wind
GIF is pronounced ZHAIF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmqy-Sp0txY
sand lotus
Anne is killing it with this project. That's amazing work.
The internet's main purpose of existence is telling you that you're wrong. I think... maybe I'm wrong.
sand lotus
It's that floppy time of year apparently. CircuitFloppotron. It's gotta happen.
noble grove
So many options
slow spire
@split gazelle @robust horizon Besides eBay, is Digi-Key still an option for these older coneectors?
robust horizon
Not as impressive, but shell printing related. I modeled this last week, creatin...
late to the discussion but I love the 3d print!
@slow spire I have not tried digikey for these connectors -- you can probably get the 34-pin one, it's pretty standard. but the 34-pin IDC to ribbon seems weird and not likely to be made today...
robust horizon
Evening everyone
mark you are the hero of the hour with your ondiskgif code 🙂
cinder wind
but what about all my Zip disks?!
robust horizon
don't let me & dan steal your thunder
cinder wind
mark you are the hero of the hour with your ondiskgif code 🙂
all hail our new GIF lord!
robust horizon
Is that supposed to be off by one pin?
the floppy featherwing? No, I was fiddling with it nervously before going on live. it plugs in like a normal featherwing
nova totem
Thanks. But without your code we are watching 3fps gifs! I don't know why it never occurred to me to write the display direct in CP
robust horizon
@haughty quiver I suggested that this is the "BEE%" keyboard, do you have a catchy name for it?
slow spire
Fred looks through his tech closet, asking Carrie if she knows if his old Jaz disks will work in his Zip drive.
robust horizon
sometime within the last 5 years I copied all the data off my SyQuest EZ Drive media .. only about 2 of a dozen were bad, the rest read OK. Didn't find anything super interesting though
slow spire
@haughty quiver "Unholy" by Sam Smith and Kim Petras uses one of those interesting scales.
cold elm
tech closet ... heh .my entire apartment is a tech closet
slow spire
Gorgeous build and diffusion.
robust horizon
👏 🎶
clever summit
🇸🇪 👋
slow spire
sometime within the last 5 years I copied all the data off my SyQuest EZ Drive m...
The main thing I remember about SyQuest drives I used was that awful grinding noise if I didn't eject the disk properly.
robust horizon
I was surprised to find I didn't have any computers with old 40-pin IDE anymore! and then there was some other problem, but happily I've already forgotten...
like I had to use freedos or a super old linux or something to even mount them
cold elm
try to find a DIN to PS/2 adapter
cinder wind
Thanks @split gazelle ! that was great!
split gazelle
thanks folks!
open surge
great projects everyone! thanks Liz for hosting
sand lotus
Thanks for hosting Liz!
haughty quiver
thanks Liz!
turbid hill
syquest and jazz drives were a attempt at a removable hardrive platter system
cold elm
Huzzah!
Here's a warmup for ask-an-engineer : https://soundcloud.com/apdel/adafruit-new-2023-mix-and-master
robust horizon
thank you Liz!