Question: Hi, wondering what the best strategy is for connecting to the test pads on a Pi Pico if soldering to a PCB. I’m trying to use a secondary usb port and would like to hand solder if possible. I read you can use a hot plate and stencil to do this but trying to make this more accessible. (Sorry posted in Pi chat too)
#live-broadcast-chat
strange glen
ivory kiln
Question: sorry if I missed it, but any updates or info on timeline to adabox return?
lilac tusk
Which would be 200mm aperture with a 900-1000mm focal length
royal adder
Question: Dev boards with the thread protocol?
lilac tusk
Question: favorite part of parenthood so far?
strange glen
Gracias!
echo canopy
Question.. considering use with an ESP32 S2 or S3 … how quickly could you get an image from the OV5640 camera with max resolution?
royal adder
It's just gas.
teal river
David G asks: Do you regret to have used the product code 5640 for something not related to the "Adafruit OV5640 Camera Breakout - 120 Degree Lens" ? https://www.adafruit.com/product/5640
echo canopy
Cool thanks for the answer!
robust horizon
goodnight community!
ivory kiln
Q: already sub'd, timeline when to have my money ready to be charged? u said first quarter, does that mean ballpark March?
lilac tusk
Thanks AdaFam!
teal river
@wind spoke you got the close-out question! The answer was yes XD
viral sail
Thanks @open girder and good night. 🌗
tulip canyon
Thank you Adafruit
waxen thistle
Thanks everyone! You're awesome, and keep Making 🙂
teal river
Great show!
upbeat coral
Thank you (and baby ada) for sharing your time with us.
open surge
good show, thank you!
teal river
Go pinch some BabyAda cheeks!
cinder wind
Thank you Limor & pt!
nova totem
Good show and great night everyone.
teal river
nini
ripe blade
Man, I've missed these shows. Time to be a regularly attendee again.
wind spoke
Hi, I could not find the Show&Tell on YT, so I am watching on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1704673365
But maybe something went wrong?
teal river
Guess YouTube glitches for you? Here’s a link https://youtu.be/Q14WCY_z7zo
jovial estuary
i noticed that sometimes the live shows archives aren't listed in Videos, only under Live
sand lotus
you tube does that automatically now
creator has to go in after the live show and add it to a playlist
teal river
Hmm, it always shows the livestreams in "videos" for me... that's how I find them half the time, if they aren't on the front screen
sand lotus
if they're scheduled, if actively live it'll show up in the live tab
jovial estuary
i'm not sure when i last noticed one that was listed under Live but not Videos
sand lotus
that's for the desktop version in my browser anyway, mobile apps and other browsers might be different
teal river
I think the differing experiences we appear to be having are an A/B testing thing... YouTube likes giving different experiences
upper sandal
the new tabs are a recent change that as you say might not be deployed for everyone, lives on the live tab, scheduled videos that are "premiered" live are still in the video tab
sand lotus
Videos are pre-recorded/edit produced content and live are from live streams. At least that's how they're making the distinction in the browser version.
ruiz brothers, JP, show & tell, and ask an engineer, foamyguy are only in the Live tab because they're live streams.
upper sandal
yep
sand lotus
the summary videos adafruit produces afterward and are uploaded show up in videos
so it's basically uploaded vs live
as for what shows up on the home tab, that's completely customized by Adafruit via playlists
however upcoming live streams will show up on the home tab as a notification at the top above playlists, so at least that kinda works.
it just means YT content creators have to put in more work on curating their playlists
upper sandal
it shows playlists but also algorithmically choses stuff on the top of home page doesn't it ?
sand lotus
depends on how they have the playlist customized, there are a couple different options of what order things appear in playlists
for some reason JP's workshop playlist is sorted by oldest first
lavish patrol
Hello, all.
inner spade
Hello!
viral sail
Good afternoon.
haughty quiver
Hi there!
viscid bolt
Good afternoon
lavish patrol
dusk socket
JP is here let the party start
haughty quiver
ivory flax
yay
dusk socket
He has the beats going it starting now
smoky island
🍋 
lavish patrol
Lol
lavish patrol
Buffering at my end.
smoky island
it got a little choppy for me on YT, but not unwatchable and seems better now on my end.
ivory flax
John is taking the FAA bandwidth
lavish patrol
I can't picture it...
viral sail
It's ironic that picture in picture went away just when TVs attained high enough resolution to make it worthwhile.
upbeat coral
I get better on YT than Twitch
lavish patrol
I think Doggie wants his dinner...
haughty quiver
neighbor's dogs don't watch the livestream
lavish patrol
Fine so far. 👍
inner spade
Parsec was okay
cinder wind
Parsec looked okay to me
lavish patrol
Parsec was 👍
smoky island
Classes
lavish patrol
Doodads
sand lotus
trying to do debouncer without the library is very hard
sand lotus
the DVI/HDMI stuff going on lately is awesome
lavish patrol
I think Lars is in the naughty box.
sand lotus
until the other day i honestly though OTG meant over the ground.
instead of like over the air
lavish patrol
Lol
sand lotus
looks like more cables for the conversion cable box i'll only use a few times in my life but without them you're kinda stuck
i think there's one called the Pico Sock too?
the sock doesn't have the sd card to my knowledge
mmmm giant blank canvas for some lars art
shell mason
owly nes could be fancy
sand lotus
straight to GND can be misleading if a beginner has never designed one before, good point
ohhh soldering to GND with a massive GND plane means you have to heat the entire board to get the solder to stick
i made that mistake with the tr cowbell
cinder wind
oh now I'm getting buffering
sand lotus
using actual gnd traces can actually help for soldering
lavish patrol
Yep. Buffering again. 🤔
sand lotus
looks ok here
cinder wind
not buffering now
sand lotus
im still in 720p tho, maybe you were watching in 1080 and it dropped you down?
lavish patrol
I think it was just momentary. The buffering, that is, not the owls.
cinder wind
there is no 1080p as far as I know
inner spade
ohhh soldering to GND with a massive GND plane means you have to heat the entire...
Switching to thermal pads for ground pins works very well.
sand lotus
i'd love to be able to use HDMI with circuit python, not sure if that's an unrealistic expectation?
or if it's only the custom UF2's that are able to do that, kinda like the doom demo.
west shell
Watching via Twitter post - no buffering issues
cinder wind
No buffering for me currently
sand lotus
lots of owls in 3D hangouts this week
shell mason
jp could design lars owl of nes
sand lotus
i LOVED the cap touch turntable from years ago on the pizza box
cinder wind
put a 7200 RPM motor in it
sand lotus
whaaat, didn't have that when i was a kid
lavish patrol
sand lotus
almost looks like magnetometer setup
lavish patrol
@cinder wind Still here.
sand lotus
it's a mechanical finger of sorts?
west shell
Detached capacitive touch old-school touch sensor
sand lotus
ha! looks like an old rotary phone
lavish patrol
Word of the Day: Doodad.
sand lotus
it's still called a touch button regardless if it's using capacitive or not
i looked it up, because i had no idea either
doodad works too though
cinder wind
Looks like that's a normal flash chip on that PCB, with the SPI pins exposed as test pads. Should be able to reprogram the flash!
sand lotus
Old Mc Chip Shortage had a farm
throw some remixes into it
This is awesome hardware hacking lessons, loving this.
nah nah, upgrade it to a 20W I2S module with a 10W 3 way speaker
lavish patrol
Noice.
sand lotus
it's never overkill when you're talking audio
oh dear lord, do not put lars on there for babyada
cinder wind
it's really nice that board has test points for each button pad
west shell
bluetooth to a subwoofer
sand lotus
neat coincidence.
inner spade
Turn it into a see-n-say DJ controller for kiddie birthday parties.
sand lotus
someone might be able to do something with that someday
pop the top off, put a platter on there, yeah i bet you could hack that into a turntable
i think the bending ones were with the string, you could hold onto the string to slow the playback?
yeah that sounds familiar
west shell
Looking for cool conference nametag ideas to build. Links / pics?
shell mason
some day JP design Lars Owl 3d printable
sand lotus
oh that's right with the 2nd, yes yes yes
upbeat coral
Thank you for taking time for us.
west shell
Great show!
lavish patrol
Great lemon scented workshop, @haughty quiver 🍋
viral sail
Thanks @haughty quiver
cinder wind
Thanks JP!
brazen chasm
👍
inner spade
Thanks!
sand lotus
very cool project. another great hardware hacking stream!
haughty quiver
for some reason JP's workshop playlist is sorted by oldest first
thanks for pointing this out, I just edited the playlist to sort from newest to oldest.
proper prawn
HI Tim and all present. Happy Friday!
naive hollow
inner spade
👋
wind spoke
Hi Tim.
I am a big fan of ethernet (or "wired rather than wifi").
However, my understanding is that most (or all) of the Ethernet adapter for CircuitPython do not support TLS (HTTPS) but only HTTP.
I wonder if that is still true...
I also wonder if the TLS code that Jepler added to make the PicoW work on CircuitPython could be used to add TLS support to Ethernet add-on.
fallow fractal
hi lego robot
inner spade
PaletteSlice finally made it into the Community Bundle. Whew. https://github.com/CedarGroveStudios/CircuitPython_PaletteSlice
wind spoke
Great if it does... easy to test with the hardware.
Maybe "package"?
Oh, making the mpy... yeah, maybe it is compile...
proper prawn
@wind spoke CPY works with https. Here a line of a code.py for my MAGTAG that requests datetime from adafruit io: TIME_URL = "https://io.adafruit.com/api/v2/%s/integrations/time/strftime?x-aio-key=%s" % (aio_username, aio_key) TIME_URL += "&fmt=%25Y-%25m-%25d+%25H%3A%25M%3A%25S.%25L+%25j+%25u+%25z+%25Z"
wind spoke
<@681528999520108564> CPY works with https. Here a line of a code.py for my MAGT...
No doubt over wifi, either native or AirLift... the question is about having HTTPS on Ethernet.
proper prawn
@wind spoke Yep, sorry, my example uses wifi
inner spade
“. mpy files are a binary container format with code objects (bytecode and native machine code) stored internally in a nested hierarchy.“ (Micropython description)
wind spoke
Well, you cannot really get the wifi chip outside of the PicoW... or if you can get it, maybe there is a licenced code only for Raspberry Pico use.
So if you want wifi on a Feather RP2040, you should go AirLift Featherwing.
I think they made a deal with the wifi chip vendor...
This could be why many Pimoroni board are just soldering a PicoW.
Yes the PyPortal can.
ESP32 has it and the AirLift too. But the ESP8266 is too weak to support the latest TLS and/or hold the latest root certificate.
PicoW CircuitPython use OpenSSL code I guess, ask Jeff.
So that is C code.
Not sure if PicoW with Raspberry Pi C SDK or MicroPython does HTTPS...
Basically, the Wiznet is a network co-processor??? If it does not support TLS, maybe it is possible to do something main processor, but then you need all of the crypto and protocol negotiation implemented.
Go Single Page, then search.
sand lotus
👋 Good evening everyone
strong acorn
Pico [W], no board.SPI()
there are WIZnet Pico boards and hats with W5100S and W5500
wind spoke
Telnet on the port?
proper prawn
I have one Wiznet hat for the rpi pico. There are examples here: ´https://github.com/Wiznet/RP2040-HAT-CircuitPython/tree/master/examples, however examples are using http (not https).
strong acorn
it would be nice to bring over some TLS for ethernet
proper prawn
Also this repo: https://github.com/bjnhur/Adafruit_CircuitPython_Wiznet5k uses only http
strong acorn
is this a Ethernet FeatherWing? W5500 I'm pretty sure supports 8 sockets
wind spoke
now exit
strong acorn
with should close it
wind spoke
No, that close is you talking to your telnet client... after doing the escape sequence.
strong acorn
accept needs to be inside the loop
wind spoke
if you want to connect more than once, you have to put that in the loop.
I guess without assyncio, accept is just waiting for a connection.
strong acorn
the server knows its own IP: HOST = eth.pretty_ip(eth.ip_address)
assuming it's connected to a DHCP server (or sets up static IP)
True if you aren't setting up static ipconfig
sand lotus
on host ip it says something about using loopback, 127.0.0.1 or localhost as a loopback instead of the ip?
wind spoke
Usually server have a static IP, you don't want a random IP decided by the DHCP server...
But if you know the IP, you should be able to connect.
sand lotus
chasing a server ip would be hard with dhcp unless there was some other main connection method
strong acorn
the server is on a network device with an IP address, the server needs to bind to an IP+port to listen
I just do this:
HOST = eth.pretty_ip(eth.ip_address)
# ...other stuff
s.bind((HOST, PORT))
Your router does have a static IP.
strong acorn
I use DHCP reservations, so they have a predictable IP
wind spoke
However example code need to show the normal way to do server.
sand lotus
that's true, dhcp is easier but it's changed ip on you once already. depends on what the lease time your DHCP server is setup to provide.
sage talon
The static IP needs to be unique to the device. Then the device you want to connect with needs a different IP on the same sub-net. (ex. both on 192.168.55.? )
strong acorn
static IP didn't used to work on WIZnet until 3 weeks ago
wind spoke
I have done C socket programming... but that was 30 years ago. So let's say that I know how it is supposed to work at the Posix level.
Then I became Cisco (and more) Trainer. So I know the networking very well too.
sand lotus
also depends on what if any, firewalls or subnet rules you have going on. like on mine just because devices are in the same vlan doesn't automatically mean they can talk to each other, no one knows what should or shouldn't work within your own lan more than you.
wind spoke
Let's assume this is one subnet, every device wifi or ethernet are on the same subnet and we have no problem of that kind.
You can check the lower level, ping the IP, check with ARP the IP address to MAC (ethernet) address.
sand lotus
which is a typical home setup yes
hopefully if the server is up and running within the same address space, ping should respond
unless the device somehow is setup specifically not to respond to pings
wind spoke
I would say: "Check the cable"... because most problem and troubleshooting should start there. Like do you have a green LED on your Wiznet and on your switch?
sage talon
The port should be assigned along with the IP as you need to 'connect' to a port.
strong acorn
Failed to configure DHCP could be recovered with retry
wind spoke
unless the device somehow is setup specifically not to respond to pings
It must respond to arp request... so even if ping fail, you can see if you are on the same cable.
sage talon
Your server code needs to get an IP, either with DHCP or by static assignment. Then you need to also provide a port to use.
sand lotus
oh, i thought it changed on you sorry about that
sage talon
Your client device will connect to the serviers IP and PORT
sand lotus
i missed the beginning of the stream where it connected. looks like it was working at least to resolve to internet stuff... but lan stuff can be a different animal sometimes.
wind spoke
You can cheat and put in the server code the IP you received in the client test code.
strong acorn
or do it dynamically HOST = eth.pretty_ip(eth.ip_address)
the eth always knows its IP
sage talon
telnet is just a TCP/IP connections with echo on the client side. There is some low level handshake but it's not generally needed. You can telnet to a generic TCP/IP server and then type to it and receive any return data.
sand lotus
playing with telnet ports is bad juju if you don't know what you're doing. as long as it's localhost only should be ok. just make sure telnet isn't open on your network to the world.
wind spoke
The IP is a few lines bellow.
strong acorn
the hardware may be caching old IP when DHCP is off, unpredictable?
strong acorn
do that after a reboot to rule out cached IP
strong acorn
I always put a 2 second delay before print
tio is alow to connect
eth.ifconfig = ((192, 168, 1.147), (255, 255, 255, 0), (192, 168, 1, 1), (1, 1, 1, 1))
sage talon
Did you do a listen()
wind spoke
Then after initialising the ethernet interface, it start a "socket" and define the static IP.
Maybe you should have a CircuitPython client code to connect and that is compatible with that Server code.
So that way, no telnet involved.
This is a WEB server?
strong acorn
WIZnet boards do not have a MAC address... make one up
sage talon
WSGI that's a web server example, not a simple server
strong acorn
I thint that code is looking to a separate I2C board for a unique MAC
library has a default MAC
sage talon
The details are hidden in the WSGI module.
sand lotus
i've never used wsgi, looking forward to seeing how that works
i used the simplehttpd server my first time, found out it was just 1 long f string, then switched to ampule. 😛
wind spoke
You can learn/test telnet by telneting to that IP and port, and then type "GET /"
Then you act as a browser somehow.
strong acorn
@sand lotus the adafruit HTTP server has had a Lot of recent improvements... very rich now
sand lotus
the stuff they're doing lately with the updates i'm sure are going to be great vs when i first used it last year.
yup, i've been keeping up with the progress, dan seems pretty happy with it, i haven't look at a single line of what's been changed but i'm sure it's much better now.
wind spoke
"telnet" (if you ignore the negotiation) is just about opening a socket/connection and connecting your keyboard/screen to the server on the other side.
sand lotus
oh that's neat
strong acorn
I haven't use this simpleserver other than to show that it isn't CPython-compatible, but I can take a stab at testing the PR code with it
https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_Wiznet5k/issues/50 for anyone who has way too much free time 😉
sand lotus
you need the wiznet module tho
strong acorn
me? I have many
wind spoke
@strong acorn , are you the one that did a demo with 3 or 4 network interface on a CP board?
sand lotus
so probably a good thing i don't, i have too many projects as it is
strong acorn
@wind spoke oui
sand lotus
but server stuff is very tempting to play with, i just want to have fun with blinking lights man...
wind spoke
<@681528999520108564> oui
Then you are best positioned to test those Wiznet PR. You know your network stack.
strong acorn
well, this PR is very detailed and beyond my knowledge at that level, but happy to test simpleserver with the PR
sorry, I came late, but I inferred we're talking about WIZnet PR#87?
wind spoke
I think simple server is lower in complexity than the web server demo. But it show how to do static IP.
sand lotus
sometimes 15 seconds on a microcontroller is more like... 30 seconds depending on its mood. always remember to pet your microcontroller and hopefully it will be nice to you.
strong acorn
maybe helpful, maybe info overload, but here are some interoprable socket examples for comparison https://github.com/anecdata/Socket
wind spoke
Since those 4 PR are from the same person, I assume they are "compatible". So maybe the strategy would be test with the 4 applied. If it works, you can validate the 4.
sage talon
On the simple server it waits for 1024 characters, I don't see a timeout.
wind spoke
Why test each independantly?
sand lotus
set DHCP to true and watch it knock foamyguy offline as wiznet takes over his PC's lease. 🤣
sage talon
I am sure you did but the fixed IP must match your network, not hte default in the code.
Then telnet to port 50007 and send 1024 characters or more
That would imply the IP or PORT is not correct when telnet'ing
wind spoke
I think you should take a "simple client" code on one of your wifi board, and make that simple client type 1024 character.
strong acorn
it's just bytes, dosn't matter what you send
wind spoke
type .... more.
strong acorn
(unless using readline at the reciver, but the not accepting is more fundamental
sage talon
You test computer is on 192.168.1 network?
wind spoke
What is your IP (of your PC)?
sand lotus
might be worth trying to use Putty if you're feeling overwhelmed?
flip flopping between client/server scripts can be frustrating.
sage talon
Ok that should be OK but your development machine needs to be on the same network but probaslby is if you used DHCP on both.
wind spoke
Where is your client running???
sage talon
so the server.accept() failed?
main flame
Looks like your server code only accepts once, outside of the while true loop
(if I caught that correctly)
sage talon
Just type anything
wind spoke
Type something.
sage talon
Does not need to be exact, just at least
wind spoke
We will see later, start typing.
sand lotus
print("x" *1024
sage talon
Just type, it will be 1024 or 2048 if it's using double byte charactes.\
Need to close the socket on exit.
sand lotus
AF_INET, the AF refers to a socket "family" so A is part of a family nomenclature, there's an NF type and other types
wind spoke
Does @hollow dome know this place exist and that you are testing his PR here, LIVE?
sage talon
Try exiting the loop and doing a conn.close() before you exit
wind spoke
I think it could be super interesting for the PR author to drive you and answer LIVE the question you may have.
strong acorn
with conn: context manager doesn't need a close
sage talon
close there will for sure fail on the recv(), you are right it should be able to keep reading and echoing.
wind spoke
Maybe try sending a little bit less this time?
strong acorn
accept does need to be in the loop if you want subsequent connections, I keep trying to scroll your code on YouTube o_O
wind spoke
You don't need to buffer overflow that code.
sage talon
Now I think there is a bug. The reev() call should just wait for more data.
main flame
conn, _ = server.accept() is above your while True:, I think you want to move it inside of the while loop
strong acorn
it may be timing out with no data
sage talon
No you only accept once per connections. When telnet exists the socket will close and you need to then accept() a new connections.
main flame
conn is probably closed after a single read / write
because it falls out of the with conn block, right?
(I could be off)
sage talon
What do you mean by conn block?
strong acorn
can you show the client again?
as long as the client and server are compatible... either new connections every time, or re-using same connection
wind spoke
Run such a client code on another board, maybe a wifi board.
sage talon
No for that client you need a server waiting for the call.
strong acorn
the client is a one-off use of a connection, so server needs to have accept in the loop
server I think is timing out b/c the client closed
sage talon
How so a one off? That would not be normal. Ususally you 'listen', then 'accept' then loop while 'recv' until the socket is closed or you close the socket. THen you close() the socket and loop back and 'accept' a new connection.
strong acorn
I was just referring to the simple client code that was up a few minutes ago... it sent once then closed, so server needs to accept again
main flame
my understanding of the current server code
conn = server.accept()
while True:
with conn:
// single read, single write
☝️ accepts a single client connect, does a read / write, "falls out" of the with conn block, which based on previous people chatting would automatically close conn, and then you're going to spin the while True with a closed conn. Without another accept, the server needs restarting before it'll listen for another client.
I believe this will behave much better for reading up to 1024 bytes and echoing to the client:
while True:
conn, _ = server.accept()
with conn:
// ...
Ok then the example needs to be changed to move the with above the while loop?
main flame
I believe so, but I'm not 100% sure - I wrote the long message to see if other folks in chat see a problem with my understanding. Can anyone share a github link for the repo with the example?
sage talon
Tim - try moving the with: statement above the loop.
strong acorn
simpleserver assumes one and only one client connection, but unfortunately there's no corresponding client code example
sand lotus
ahh you can power both the feather and featherwing with a poe splitter, that's cool.
fine you guys ugh, added to cart. i'll find a use for it someday.
strong acorn
but only after you're done developing since it eats the USB port 🙂
sand lotus
use web workflow?
sand lotus
honestly testing how well it does as a dhcp server sounds interesting. not expecting much from a single phy chip.
strong acorn
inner spade
Interesting and good exposure to the terminology. Thanks!
proper prawn
Tnx Tim. Good night all.
strong acorn
Interesting stream, thanks @smoky island!
ancient grotto
Thank you for the streaming
sand lotus
thank you for streaming, another tough one. knocked out some of it. great job.
main flame
Thanks!
wind spoke
WIZnet + Pico W: <https://gist.github.com/anecdata/75ab1f977782008d33b5b3c6201e6...
Feel like this could be used to be both the client and the server... so you could have a piece of code that use asyncio so that you can run a wifi client on the W of the PicoW and have the main task be Wiznet server? I guess that would require asyncio support in wiznet so that the accept is not blocking other task ???
strong acorn
lol, I was just thinking about that for test purposes, we don't have async at the lower layers, but maybe there's enough network buffering that something could be bodged together??
wind spoke
> thinking about that for test purposes
Maybe for the Wiznet this is not easy and the best usecase. But your way of having Wifi both with AirLift and the build in ESP32 S2/S3/C3 you could easily propose dual interface test code that can be run automatically to validate PR.
What it really solve is that you know the two IP address on the same device when having a client and a server mean you need to discover/learn what it the other device IP.
strong acorn
I think that has the same non-async issue, unless small sends make use of some hardware network buffers
sand lotus
For most cases that should work however you can't automatically assume a wired device will be on the same network as a wireless one especially if someone has accidentally setup a dual NAT scenario by enabling DHCP on more than one device within the same address space. Hijinks can and will occur in a dual NAT network.
Kinda like when anecdata said "there can be only 1 socketpool", same applies for DHCP servers within a given address space. There can be only 1 DHCP server. If there are 2 they will fight each other.
strong acorn
I would guess ~80% of people have just a router / AP, about 80% of the remaining 20% have more than one AP but still tied to some router mesh or whatever. It's the few in the remaining camp who get themselves into trouble by configuring way-too-complex networks 😉
smoky island
I'm continuing with Ethernet testing this morning, you can follow along on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RIjv4nL8ms or Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/foamyguy_twitch
clever summit
Good Afternoon!
I played with a mmWave sensor yesterday. Impressive little devices.
Can detect if I am in the room way better than PIR sensors.
They use radar instead.
Some of them support making a detector that can detect if you fall, so perfect for elderly.
sand lotus
Good morning ☕
strong acorn
something to do with being in the file but not the imported class?
brazen chasm
👋
inner spade
We need a ‘superstition’ option for debugging, for certain.
strong acorn
since I put the test code in the PR, it was moot
I think you are correct... coincidence or caching
need either DHCP or static ipconfig
5100 and 5500 are same, just different number of sockets
you just need to change the pin settings
strong acorn
5100 and 5500 are same, just different number of sockets
library hides low-level diffs
NTP: the Older versions of the adafruit_NTP lib has the UDP code https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_NTP/releases/tag/2.2.6 (current versions are for native espressif/raspberrypi)
(if needed for a WIZ example)
sand lotus
didn't know there was a stand alone NTP library, it's got RTC code too.
strong acorn
fun twist: typically you want rtc.RTC().datetime = ntp.datetime to set the RTC from NTP once, but if you don't trust your processor RTC, you can force an NTP lookup every time: rtc.RTC().set_time_source(ntp)
sand lotus
This module does not handle daylight savings or local time. i feel like DST, timezone, etc.. should be included. those are always a pain to do.
strong acorn
I think time zone is an intractable problem... you have to deal with it somehow yourself with a timezone string or offset
strong acorn
fun twist: typically you want `rtc.RTC().datetime = ntp.datetime` to set the RTC...
every time you access a time function
sand lotus
i do have some timezone stuff i've written for some projects
inner spade
Yeah, would be nice to allow multiple instances of the SPI pins to support multiple devices on the bus. Wondering if board could be made to permit pin reuse for shared busses.
sand lotus
i could submit a PR but core coding isn't my strong suit. setting class attributes and types trips me up.
strong acorn
further complicated by datetime library, class datetime.datetime is incompatible with ntp.datetim and rtc.datetime ...unfortunate variable name
hostname will show up in your router if you use DHCP
sand lotus
yeah and datetime library is lacking some of that stuff too. there's no single library that handles everything needed for time.
strong acorn
hostname just used in some protocols
sand lotus
and i eventually had to get into struct_time, that wasn't the best experience in the world.
inner spade
Yeah, would be nice to allow multiple instances of the SPI pins to support multi...
Is it _board _ that throws the pin in use error?
sand lotus
here's a snippet i fall back on that includes timezone offset. https://github.com/DJDevon3/My_Circuit_Python_Projects/tree/main/Circuit Python Snippets#get-time-from-online-esp32-s2
strong acorn
yeah, secrets. some adafruit examples put the timezone string in secrets, but then that requires an HTTP API lookup to get the offset
I have every server I set up have a method or two to serve up the offset (either in a response body, or an HTP header o_O)
sand lotus
yeah an online only example, i'm still using serial only, still haven't used wifi workflow yet with toml so i'm still using secrets file
does it really matter if it's NTP or a simple get request?
strong acorn
I keep this text snippet on my desktop: import microcontroller ; microcontroller.on_next_reset(microcontroller.RunMode.NORMAL) ; microcontroller.reset() # NORMAL, SAFE_MODE, UF2, BOOTLOADER so I can just drag it into tio
sand lotus
i mean if you're pulling the correct time then if it works, it works.
strong acorn
yeah true... most HTTP servers will also give you UTC time as a header, just add offset and bingo
sand lotus
also have a project that uses GPS to get the time, that was pretty cool but way harder than i thought it would be.
are there NTP servers that have the offset built in? like EST.somentpservername? that would be nice.
strong acorn
I tried getting time from a cellular module too, but those AT commands are finicky and lots of the time, it just doesn't work
well, they can't know your offset, and you'd have to know it to hit the right server, or at least the server would be by timezone string
sand lotus
well i mean they would take care of the offset server side and only serve up the correct time for that timezone.
using subdomains
i'd like to think that's a thing.
strong acorn
sand lotus
yes
strong acorn
that would be cool
sand lotus
is that a thing? i think that kind of thing should be the default recommended scheme
strong acorn
I think there are only three dozen or so timezones, some off by 30 minutes, so it's conceivable
sand lotus
wouldn't even need to be by city, just -4.ntp.org
sand lotus
i mean if the request was specifically to -4 then it would serve up the time for the -4 hour timezone
there's gotta be a way to do that, i just haven't looked into it.
strong acorn
ow wow, but there are many more of those timezone strings, some map to the same offsets at different times of year
sand lotus
kinda my point, that's the entire job of an NTP server is to make sure it's correct per timezone.
sand lotus
because it's usually done by seconds from epoch which translates to hours
so the server should translate -14400 seconds offset to -4.ntp.org
just saying finding a server that does that for you would make life so much easier.
strong acorn
@foamy... can you scroll up your test code?
sand lotus
while timezone isn't that big of a deal, daylight savings time is a PITA.
strong acorn
the library does check for too fast, but it's subsecond
noble grove
Could you keep track of what errors you are getting and automatically do a reboot if you detect a certain pattern?
strong acorn
you're setting up a new ntp object very time?
because the code moved into the loop
not sure what that would do
could be some as-yet undiscovered init/deinit bug
sand lotus
derp (ntp.org -5) is built into the ntp library? well that's easier than what i've been doing 🤦♂️
i've personally never seen someone legitimately need and have so many tabs open than foamyguy. how you keep track of everything i have no clue, your brain is amazing.
noble grove
Looks just like my tab list
sand lotus
i'm not saying it's a bad thing
everyone has their own way of being productive
i know someone who refuses to have a single desktop icon, they like having an absolutely blank desktop. it blows my mind.
upper sandal
i know someone who refuses to have a single desktop icon, they like having an ab...
that would be me 🤚
upper sandal
though I actually put aliases to "things I'm working on" which is a way to not forget those, since I'm bothered by their presence 😛
search for what ?
sand lotus
oh well i meant on windows, are you on linux?
upper sandal
things are in their places, documents in their respective directories, applications aliases in launcher directories, etc.
sand lotus
the person i know uses the windows search bar for everything, doesn't even use the start menu, just search for opening every program.
strong acorn
I try to minimze icons on the desktop to high-priority active folders, and my text snippet to import microcontroller ; microcontroller.reset() b/c I'm too lazy to type it all the time
drag-and-drop it into tio
upper sandal
yeah it's a windows trope to put things on the desktop, on my windows box which is basically my gaming console I have like steam and the likes, and the games I'm currently playing
so yeah on windows the desltop is a launcher, though I have stuff pinned in the start menu too
sand lotus
hmm maybe my way of doing things is actually the wrong way? or inefficient? my most used programs are 1 click away on the desktop or start menu. that just seems more efficient than typing out characters in a search box.
noble grove
My Windows desktop (work) is about 90% full of icons, and almost never use them. Mint desktop (home) has 5 icons which I almost never use.
upper sandal
hmm maybe my way of doing things is actually the wrong way? or inefficient? my ...
no it's pretty common, some people have a wallpaper with colored boxes to visually group the icons
like "work", "graphics app" or whatever
noble grove
My Ikea desktop is about 300% full...
sand lotus
yeah i group icons next to each other, at least there's some order to it.
noble grove
300
upper sandal
and that's where an app that can save and restore the desktop icons positions is useful
sand lotus
i don't have a desk :/
upper sandal
because I've had windows mess it up on occasion
sand lotus
workbench but my main PC is still on a coffee table after moving into the new place a year later... temporary has a habit of becoming permanent. :/
inner spade
A friend calls ikea desktop clutter “flat surface syndrome.”
sand lotus
yes, the more flat surfaces the better
inner spade
Good thing we have a flat earth. 🌍
sand lotus
one of the problem i have with most computer desks today is they don't even have shelves, drawers, or filing cabinets. most of them are just 4 legs and a surface.
strong acorn
flat surface syndrome FTW! I just redid my office, so my main desk now is about eight feet wide and behind me are two seven foot desks
upper sandal
I prefer just 4 legs, I have drawer blocks on wheels
sand lotus
my workbench is 12'x3'
upper sandal
easier to move
sand lotus
built with longitude stacked 2x12's
cost about $75 for the biggest cheapest workbench i could build.
inner spade
Two rules in the workshop. Anything that touches the floor must be on wheels and cleaning is done with a leaf blower (inspired by Caddyshack Carl), so be prepared.
It’s a small shop that gets reconfigured like a tile puzzle.
noble grove
Two rules in the workshop. Anything that touches the floor must be on wheels and...
Workbench wheels must be lockable.
or retractable
inner spade
Absolutely. I have both.
noble grove
My next workbench will have these: https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/casters-and-wheels/110198-workbench-casters?item=03J2510
inner spade
Nice. I used similar ones from Rockwell.
sand lotus
over the past decade workbench wheels have definitely gotten better, there are some really nice options out there. little cheapy ones still exist sure but there are options for really nice ones.
noble grove
Thanks Tim.
sand lotus
have a great day, thanks for streaming
inner spade
Thanks!
sand lotus
NFL playoffs start this afternoon 🙂
strong acorn
Feel like this could be used to be both the client and the server... so you coul...
Dual-Network Ouroboros, for the lulz:
One MCU with two networks. Server socket on one, client socket on the other, sending and receiving data to / from itself.
I couldn't do it with TCP since the server accept blocks the client from sending. Need low-level async for that I think. But by taking advantage of the low-level buffers in each device, I think this is doing what I think it's doing for UDP. Doubling the size of the buffer each iteration of the loop, it gets a memory allocation error before it dies from too much data.
strong acorn
1472 seems to be the Pico W UDP buffer size ...one packet
echo canopy
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sand lotus
👋 🖥️
lilac tusk
Evening!
RP4040, it’s gonna be big
The QtPy has such great potential for little add ons
Only thing I don’t like about the reverse mounting is you can’t do flush mounting
teal river
Hiiiii
ashen hound
thanks
echo canopy
Is love a i2s BFF 
teal river
Is there a protoBFF already?
lilac tusk
Is there a protoBFF already?
I think @sand lotus made one
teal river
nice
lilac tusk
Though it was like mostly grounds
teal river
mmm big buttons
lilac tusk
Any plans to respin the nRF52840 feathers?
echo canopy
Thoughts on a PIR BFF? With an ESP32 variant for security
lilac tusk
I’ve had the same issue with the mini modules. It’s hard to actually tell if it’s making a solid connection
teal river
Do you use lead-free solder for all your prototype stuff?
sand lotus
how would you better store the BGA chips? and how to get oxidation/scale off if it does happen?
unreal bay
Is there an amount of force, like measure torque ratings, for lots of under chip pads, I.e. as pad count increases
lilac tusk
how would you better store the BGA chips? and how to get oxidation/scale off if ...
Most BGA have solder balls on the bottom so it’s usually less of an issue
empty swallow
Hey y'all!
echo canopy
With the re-work how are you sure the pins don’t bridge with solder?
teal river
Oh good, I know next to nothing about solder paste :D
Microscope work is hard
Should you let the solder paste melt before or after applying the parts?
For BGA I mean
lilac tusk
Should you let the solder paste melt before or after applying the parts?
On stencil assembly no
sand lotus
you can use solder paste like regular flux? i thought a stencil was required for paste.
lilac tusk
If you’re concerned about bridging, you can run an iron across BGA pads to wet them before hand
empty swallow
def not required but some people recommend it
teal river
Sausage paste
sand lotus
needs a banana for scale
ashen hound
I store solder paste in a cheap $30 fridge used to store soda
teal river
Soda paste
sand lotus
images by themselves can be deceptive if you don't pay close attention to the weight
teal river
More consistent size
Banana for Scale from LTTStore.com
lilac tusk
Lol
empty swallow
XD
unreal bay
Do you use low melt lead free often?
teal river
Bismuth solder paste is nice low temp
Steven Universe Bismuth GIF
sand lotus
no clean dries up sticky like honey, if you apply enough heat to it with a hot air gun for example, the no clean completely disappears, it's really neat stuff.
lilac tusk
I use T4 most often
teal river
Guessing T5 is most expensive?
lilac tusk
But I do a lot of 0.4mm pitch rework
sand lotus
woah, didn't know it could get that detailed.
lilac tusk
Lol I have experience with stuff desoldering 😂
teal river
Self-desoldering... thermal fuse XD
waxen thistle
Good evening all you wonderful people!
lilac tusk
I love the low temp stuff. Most of what I make doesn’t get hot like that
unreal bay
Isn't over 100c mental and beyond component spec except automotive/military?
lilac tusk
Many parts operate up to 125°C
teal river
Does silver help it melt? I've been using 99.3% Tin/0.7% Copper for regular soldering
empty swallow
Only could pop in briefly, c'y'all :3
unreal bay
Having had a cpu live generally at 95c i do understand spec and reality vary
sand lotus
i don't do a lot of rework but for those who do this is excellent info. love this show. so many great tips.
waxen thistle
Thanks for another awesome show!
echo canopy
Hot plate work…. In general are most components that temperature safe !
teal river
Great show!
unreal bay
Thanks all
sand lotus
i wouldn't put it in an engine bay at that temp. low temp probably only for low heat indoor only projects.
lilac tusk
Thanks AdaFam!
teal river
I need to get a hotplate
unreal bay
Lucky
echo canopy
Thanks everyone
sand lotus
Thank you for streaming. ❤️
teal river
So glad BabyAda is enjoying her mom's work <3
distant junco
Great show! Thanks
teal river
Nini!
echo canopy
Thanks for spending your Sunday night with us
distant junco
I would TOTALLY enter a BFF contest
teal river
Now I go to bed, this was the only reason I stayed up, lol
sand lotus
Parent BFF ground proto area, I made a few for personal use but think they'd be great additions for LED projects.
lilac tusk
Seeed does contests all the time, might be a fun way to engage the community in a different way 🙂
teal river
BFF contest would be cool. Imagine if there was a contest to design one, and the winner's design went to production
lilac tusk
BFF contest would be cool. Imagine if there was a contest to design one, and the...
And they got the first 5 off the line
echo canopy
That would be neat !!
teal river
And they got the first 5 off the line
Yissss
lilac tusk
Sort of like the prize for making the winning design
sand lotus
I'd probably fail if it's more complicated than just a ground plane... i'd end up locking the I2C bus somehow. 🤣
lilac tusk
I have some ideas
distant junco
I think I'd make a BFF doubler or tripler (like the Feather doubler or trippler boards) I always need more prototyping space
teal river
Relay BFF!
teal river
Most XD there are some tiny ones
lilac tusk
Proximity/Ambient light BFF for doing things like cabinet door sensors
sand lotus
Well for sensors the Qt Py does have stemma qt.
teal river
I have a relay that's as long as the BFF, half as wide, and as tall as it is wide, good for switching 250VAC with a 5V signal, but it's only good for... I think a 100mA load at 250VAC?
lilac tusk
Well for sensors the Qt Py does have stemma qt.
Sure, but it being compact would be super neat
Add in LiPo charging and you have a cool thingy
sand lotus
this is true
lilac tusk
For the heck of it, I’m going to make one and order the boards. I have some ambient light/proximity sensors laying around in my parts crate
sand lotus
The charger BFF's are awesome, have one in my dragon mask powering noods.
teal river
What if we take the Eevee PCB and make it a BFF
sand lotus
I think Eve is more geared towards the Pico with its PIO? Not sure if the Qt Py is a good fit for it?
sand lotus
Oh I didn't know that's what he named that board.
Yeah thought you were talking about the Eve product from last weeks top secret.
teal river
lol
upper sandal
upper sandal
I think it's QTPY/Xiao compatible, and it has a qwiic connector
teal river
lilac tusk
here ya go @sand lotus lol
shoved battery charging in with the Proximity Sensor
lol
except I swapped the battery pins lol
sand lotus
That was fast.
lilac tusk
okay, I lied battery pins were fine
anyway, yeah fast lol
and ordered. I'll share the results in like... 2-3 weeks after I get the PCBs
Basically you can run a remote proximity/ambient light sensor. Use with a QtPy ESP32 and you could send a notification to yourself if your cookie cabinet is opened lol.
lilac tusk
I’ll probably make another version slightly different with ground plane cutouts for the wireless QtPy antenna
upper sandal
I found it for sale! https://usa.banggood.com/RP2040-Development-Board-with-0_42...
oh it looks like there's an ESP32-C3 version out there
teal river
THAT’S EVEN BETTER
echo canopy
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charred lion
Hello
haughty quiver
Hello Evil Dave!
haughty quiver
Thanks!
knotty valley
Hello hello
cinder wind
bu bu bu buffering
drowsy inlet
h e ll o
dusk socket
Had to go to my computer to see you on screen.
inner spade
👋
haughty quiver
restarted stream, looks like buffering issue may go away
ivory flax
Good afternoon JP
knotty valley
It’s still b u f f e r ing
tacit garnet
Still stumbling a bit
dusk socket
A lot of braking up on YouTube
cinder wind
JP is trying out new Max Headroom effect, apparently
knotty valley
It’s good now
drowsy inlet
still buffering bad on YT
inner spade
Twitch is buffering too
glad granite
same here, heavy buffering; It was good just now for a while.
knotty valley
Increasing voltage to mainframe might fix it
cinder wind
This the problem with these Lars-based internet routers. They come with gremlins pre-installed
drowsy inlet
i think it's back?
glad granite
looks good now
drowsy inlet
getting transmission
ivory flax
Looks better
drowsy inlet
it's like sudden movements kill the stream lol
ivory flax
Ugh. Must be all that snow out there
tacit garnet
Remember, technology is our friend. 
cinder wind
yeah not enough upload bandwidth is what it is acting like
haughty quiver
sorry folks!
ivory flax
Maybe drop the video quality from 1020 to 720
haughty quiver
rain last week in southern california has turned our infrastructure a bit soggy
drowsy inlet
still on video, yes?
inner spade
Bandwidth and quality on a slippery slope.
cinder wind
"electronics can get wet right? it's not a problem yeah? do we need to cover these wires?"
inner spade
It’s a bandwidth shortage, a bandwidth shortage…
Kudos to JP for “the show must go on.” Big appreciation.
cinder wind
I figure he's recording it separately so he can upload clean versions for the archive
but oof I feel bad for him
glad granite
I am watching the "live - 30 sec" version, pretty smooth. If that is a work around.
cinder wind
that's a great tip!
drowsy inlet
thanks JP
cinder wind
Turns out that's how JP is in real life, he just forgot to turn on his "continuous JP" filter
haughty quiver
sorry about that, yes, i have a local disk recording of it too, I'll upload that
inner spade
Thanks @haughty quiver!
dusk socket
thank's JP always glad to see you even if you are Maxx Headroom
sand lotus
Good evening everyone. FoamyGuy is live. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsrbH-Igvy0
twitter not found, we can only hope.
If your router is caching lookups it's possible to have a DNS lookup happen almost instantly, depends on how your DNS is setup.
I'd expect Google and CloudFlare to be fast but not under 1ms.
Ugh intentional lookup on doubleclick advertiser? Well, priorities I guess.
Having a dedicated website running on a microcontroller would be funny. Just hand someone a feather and say "here's my website". 😛
teal river
I just watched playback of the PPOTW livestream, and I think I missed half of it, and then it was a 22 minute video where half of it was just the thumbnail XD silly interwebs... and Lars chewing on cables...
sand lotus
You'd need a list of common button names so they'll work no matter what pins they're attached to. Interesting idea.
haughty quiver
I just watched playback of the PPOTW livestream, and I think I missed half of it...
things went ... awry.
I'm uploading a non-buffered version
teal river
Lars is king of making things go awry, lol
upper sandal
I do pronounce -> "dot"
lilac tusk
I do pronounce `->` "dot"
Pointer to the dot
sand lotus
I think the miso/mosi pin # is specified per board with the register values in each board config (in ports/boards).
upper sandal
aaaand I have a cat on my arm
sand lotus
In the case of the Pico where they're not specified then any bus object can be used just not with board.miso, etc...
Yeah Pico doesn't change because there's still no board.miso, i like the idea and path you're heading down though.
upper sandal
I never remember the syntax, I think I wrote myself a memo somewhere, but I don't know where, so that's pretty pointless
sand lotus
I've done that sometimes, going back into discord to pull an old custom example. Searching discord is really easy and great for small code snippets.
i've never heard of dragging code, weird concept when you can copy/paste...
i guess if you highlight text it would do the same thing?
inner spade
Yeah. Not a fan of select + drag
sand lotus
with GUI's i could see that accidentaly malforming some kind of ascii characters instead of a clean copy/paste would. there are some instances i could see that being a bad habit for coders. maybe ok for using with MS Word or Excel but not in an IDE. just my opinion, seems it could setup bad habits that could come back to bite the person using that method instead of copy/paste.
jovial estuary
yeah, i think the bad old days of X11 paste-on-middle-button had similar issues
sand lotus
as long as the middle button is a macro for copy i could see that being kinda handy.
inner spade
Dinner time. Thanks for the stream tonight. The details of how board works — particularly for shared busses — is a complete mystery to me.
sand lotus
Same, I thought everyone but me knew how board. works. This stream made me feel better.
ohh that's a neat tip, didn't know that.
Thank you for the stream. 👍
jovial estuary
as long as the middle button is a macro for copy i could see that being kinda ha...
yeah, it actually defaulted to paste in some X11 UI conventions. which led to some awful/hilarious mis-pasted content in online chats when i was younger. (yes, back when i first accessed the internet, you tended to have a X11-based UI on internet-connected computers)
rocky reef
3DHangouts Episode 388 LIVE in 5 mins! Eagle PCBs to 3D Models in Fusion 360, Skadis pegboard and Flexi Huggy https://www.youtube.com/adafruit/live
upbeat coral
Hey Y'll. Missed last weeks return. Had a little cardio event to attend to.
lavish patrol
Hey Y'll. Missed last weeks return. Had a little cardio event to attend to.
Nothing serious I hope. 🤞
sand lotus
good morning ☕
drowsy inlet
hello
lavish patrol
Bleeps and Bloops are go!
sand lotus
and we're live
urban gale
woohoo! hey yall
wise iris
good morning!
fallow fractal
hi!
split gazelle
good morning folks
rocky reef
lavish patrol
@hard hollow No cat today? 🐈
upbeat coral
@lavish patrol Naa. Got off the monitor this morning. Been missing beats all my life. When drs see it they get excited and I end up on a monitor. Nothing ever comes of it - except missing my favorite 3d guys show.
lavish patrol
<@355463001706594305> Naa. Got off the monitor this morning. Been missing beats ...
Good news and bad news then. 🤔
rocky reef
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upbeat coral
I missed it, why the guys in different spaces?
rocky reef
Learn Guidehttps://learn.adafruit.com/how-to-convert-eagle-pcbs-to-3d-models-in-fusion-360/
lavish patrol
I missed it, why the guys in different spaces?
It wasn't explained...
upbeat coral
Echo was in deep background
rocky reef
New Parts! 3D Parts on GitHub - https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CAD_Parts
shell mason
the all cosplay with cool own fonts
rocky reef
Today's coupon code “3DPCB” gets you 10% off your order!
lavish patrol
urban gale
Sounds good from this side
upbeat coral
Sounds great. I like this format, show and tips, lesson...
vagrant flax
I literally just ordered 2 of these pegboards the other day 😮
brazen quail
Hola from 'rado, with new fresh powder. 😄
vagrant flax
We do got fresh powder!
upbeat coral
What material printed with? I've been using PETG lately. Seems more solid than PLA.
brazen quail
Michael says it no matter.
lavish patrol
Skadis? Sounds like a supervillian..
unreal bay
Yes, come over to the darkside, metric all the way
sand lotus
i like how you could run wires behind it, a small USB cable would poke through the holes too.
lavish patrol
Today's 3D Hangouts brought to you by Ikea. 😄
upbeat coral
Theres an IKEA on the way to visit relatives in NC, USA.
sand lotus
wall of awesome projects. very neat and clean looking too. 👍
urban gale
I'm expecting week two of owlfest 😆 for community makes
lavish patrol
Spatula.
lavish patrol
You can probably get them in IKEA...
unreal bay
If the cooling was strong enough, would the 33% or more interface density be okay? I have had bad experiences with interface layers
sand lotus
yeah default in cura is like 20% for support density. after my first print i dropped it to 10% and it still fuses sometimes due to tolerance.
unreal bay
I desperately need to fix / improve my cooling to make my life easier, thin wall tops of models go all melty if low layer time 🫠
hard hollow
urban gale
yay! 🦉
urban gale
I've had good luck w/ the Polybox
.. but mine came w/ a metric lcd display so I swapped it out for imperial
sand lotus
how big of a dehumidifier would you need in FL? kinda known for humidity here.
float switch?
rocky reef
sand lotus
sounds like it creates a container of water in the process. so if you don't empty it out it'll over humidify your room eventually, that's just FL problems.
lavish patrol
Great show guys. I'm off to IKEA now... 😄
hard hollow
?showtimes
arctic abyssBOT
Desk of Ladyada - Sunday Evening
JP's Product Pick of the Week - 4pm ET Tuesdays
3D Hangouts - 11am ET Wednesdays
Show & Tell - 7:30pm ET Wednesdays
Ask an Engineer - 8pm ET Wednesdays
John Park's Workshop - 4pm ET Thursdays
Deep Dive w/ Foamyguy - 5pm ET Fridays
FoamyGuy's CircuitPython Stream - 11am ET Saturdays
hard hollow
?showtime
urban gale
Thanks for another great show, guys!
dry marten
Thanks for the awesome show!
wise iris
thanks guys
sand lotus
thank you for streaming guys. going over cura settings helps a lot too.
upbeat coral
Thank you for taking time for us.
hard hollow
thanks folks! cya tonight
rocky reef
thanks so much for hanging out folks!
shell mason
for tech check boston dynamics robots video about atlas
open girder
No ASK an ENGINEER tonight - the show returns next week! We have some visitors in town and hope to score an interview with them we can post up! We'll publish the EYE on NPI, New Products, and more, this week stay tuned!
teal river
An interview is worth skipping a week :D
haughty quiver
We've got Show & Tell happening at 7:30pm Eastern. Come on by! https://streamyard.com/55juzpg3kf
dim knot
Hello, World!
upbeat coral
Hey Y'll
nova totem
Hello all
tulip canyon
Hello
viral sail
Good evening everyone.
haughty quiver
Hello!
cinder wind
HELLO
drowsy inlet
Hello all
teal river
cinder wind
time to get on the game grid!
sand lotus
Looks great jay!
dusk socket
there is more support on the brackets with a stable support design
makes it great with shelf
teal river
Liz and the servo octopus
drowsy inlet
speaking of servos, how do you know when you need a mosfet and when you don't?
verbal river
🎸
nova totem
speaking of servos, how do you know when you need a mosfet and when you don't?
For a servo I do not think you ever do. For a motor yes
verbal river
People mostly pluck with fingers. 🖐
drowsy inlet
For a servo I do not think you ever do. For a motor yes
Hmm, ok. Will have to keep reading on it. Thx.
nova totem
Hmm, ok. Will have to keep reading on it. Thx.
You may want separate power for he servos as they can draw a decent amount of current and introduce noise on the power line (so i've read)
sand lotus
All your motors are belong to Liz.
teal river
Robo-string players!
nova totem
@split gazelle Looks very cool I loved the quick video you did for this
teal river
I do love the idea of an instrument that's all servo sounds -- it's like floppy music, but purpose-built, lol
ohhhh
split gazelle
<@347203168121126912> Looks very cool I loved the quick video you did for this
thanks!
sand lotus
Do want. 😍
hard hollow
NEED
smoky island
Ahhh, that is so cool. Love the idea of 'addons' that mount onto the posts and plug in to the stemma
echo canopy
Can todbot explain the chip on his board .. I might be interested for something similar.. pretty cool
teal river
SNES sound > everything
tulip canyon
Thanks everyone. Great projects all
nova totem
Great projects all
viral sail
Great projects everyone. Thanks for sharing.
teal river
Petition to have anyone with a cool musical instrument go last and play out the show
echo canopy
Thanks JP!
smoky island
Thanks for sharing everyone, awesome projects! Thanks for hosting JP!
teal river
Great show!
upbeat coral
Thanks to all for sharing your time with us
drowsy inlet
cool stuff. thanks for sharing!
teal river
Musical guests are best guests!
nova totem
So many projects always make me want to do a midi project, just have to get around to one
haughty quiver
@nova totem i'd love to see you add MIDI control to your window NeoPixel project 🙂
nova totem
<@228322543507865601> i'd love to see you add MIDI control to your window NeoPix...
Hmmm 🤔 wondering how that would look like
dim knot
+++++++++_ Just FYI - No Ask an Engineer tonight. +++++++
cinder wind
But there is Ask The Peanut Gallery right here 😀
teal river
Question: waffles or pancakes?
cinder wind
Pancakes at home, waffles at a restaurant
teal river
Especially if the restaurant is a house
lilac tusk
Especially if the restaurant is a house
And a house ain’t a home unless there’s good people and good food
So a restaurant could be a home
teal river
Waffle House has good food and good people XD
lilac tusk
teal river
I wish I could live at Waffle House...
wind spoke
https://github.com/todbot/macropadsynthplug
Please update this part of your repo "Are these for sale? Not yet! But perhaps soon!" whenever you have your tindie store. 💰
teal river
Yes!
cinder wind
will do!
lavish patrol
👋 😀
viral sail
Good afternoon.
haughty quiver
Hello all
lavish patrol
Bleeps and Bloops, Lars style...
clever summit
Hello there mr Park
tulip canyon
Hello JP and Frens
lavish patrol
Park. John Park.
echo canopy
Hello JP! & Adafruit community
ivory flax
Hey John
split gazelle
hello!
lavish patrol
Two CRT monitors behind JP.
cinder wind
LCARS is the Star Trek version of Lars
wild urchin
No man you doomed it.
lavish patrol
Mmmm. Curry.
clever summit
Fourty times? Whoooo.
wild urchin
@cinder wind Majel Barrett Roddenberry on drums with Metallica.
tulip canyon
Are you using a Pi-hole or anything in the middle?
wild urchin
Coupon codes and I have money: a dangerous combination to my wallet.
inner spade
Sunshine! Up here too!
lavish patrol
Wait... Three CRT monitors...
cinder wind
wild urchin
@lavish patrol The Count says: "Three! Three CRT monitors! Ah ah ah ah ah!"
lavish patrol
Lol
wild urchin
No ask an engineer, is everybody healthy? I hope so.
haughty quiver
All good, there was a meeting conflict and interview
viral sail
I missed a good PPotW. 
lavish patrol
<@355463001706594305> The Count says: "Three! Three CRT monitors! Ah ah ah ah ah...
Listen to them. Children of the night. What music they make.
cinder wind
JP is made of CRTs now
lavish patrol
Maybe the CRTs have replaced Lars...
wild urchin
Electron guns and lead shielding? What sort of linac madness are you up to?
cinder wind
Here's one place to find "Where's my I2S" : https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-max98357-i2s-class-d-mono-amp/circuitpython-wiring-test#wheres-my-i2s-2995563
cinder wind
I love putting github links on the backs of PCBs. Super handy when I find an old PCB and am all "wth was this for again?"
sand lotus
the dvi breakout has the necessary resistor values for you so you don't have to design a board specifically for the resistor values. that's pretty cool.
and/or your tindie store url, which i'm looking forward to getting one of the synth plugs.
wild urchin
Gotta love the Dreamcast.
tulip canyon
Maybe gut one of these for the case?
wild urchin
Say-Gah!
sand lotus
cool you can still get NES ports like that
wild urchin
Green LED indicating good.
lavish patrol
576? That's PAL isn't it?
tulip canyon
SPEEDRUN!
wind spoke
What, the emulator does not support the light gun?!
wind spoke
Lightgun fail on non CRT screen anyway. 😦
wild urchin
The lightgun works by looking for the one lit square when you pul the trigger, right+
?
cinder wind
Use a Pico W and make a wireless NES controller that talks to it via WiFi
sand lotus
nice project, making progress. that's so cool it's running on a pico.
and maybe someday BLE on the pico W which i didn't even know was possible until last week.
wild urchin
Distance plus angle from the accelerometers, clever.
pearl shoal
Great to see you, @haughty quiver
wind spoke
If you want Bluetooth joystick you can use an AirLift and a special firmware. It is even compatible with CircuitPython: https://gitlab.com/ricardoquesada/bluepad32-circuitpython
Works with many modern joystick. I used that on a MatrixPortal..
pearl shoal
Do you have 5V for the barrel jack?
sand lotus
The airlift does bluetooth? ah that's right you have to program to be either wifi or bluetooth. can do either or not both i think.
Lars out there chewing on cables again.
wind spoke
The airlift does bluetooth? ah that's right you have to program to be either wif...
It is an alternative firmware, so you lose the Wifi feature and focus on the joystick.
shell mason
contact pad
cinder wind
That's a really nice PCB. It has so many nice affordances for hacking
pearl shoal
Are the test points plated on the back? You could make a PCB that holds pogo-pins against them.
wind spoke
Nope, it is on the button side.
pearl shoal
OR: just make a PCB that mimics it's mount points & the exposed button pads
tulip canyon
I'm so bad in Fritzing, I end up dragging the wrong things all the time.
sand lotus
That's a good idea
smoky island
Wow, that is a great pro tip. I had no idea you could import images like that and use anchors behind them get a custom part that you can connect to visually.
wind spoke
Did you check that those pin are I2S compatible???
There will be a Circuit Python Parsec for/from you if needed.
Can we use the I2C booster from 3V to 5V for I2S (it is designed for I2C)?
pearl shoal
That's what the boost converter on the right is
wind spoke
I was thinking about this: https://www.adafruit.com/product/5649
pearl shoal
That's (un)officially called the Binko jumper
🙂
I badgered poor @proper trench enough that she added it to a number of boards after they started adding the protection diode 🙂
tulip canyon
Added to the Cart - Headed to Checkout SUNSHINE ☀️
sand lotus
Everyone needs a bin with charger and level shifter modules.
cinder wind
I was thinking about this: https://www.adafruit.com/product/5649
This 3V-5V level shifter is just transistors doing the level shifting, it doesn't know anything about I2C specifically, so if you need to shift other signals between 3V & 5V, it should work
sand lotus
The raw is only for input power right? It doesn't shift the whole board to 5v... though might be useful too.
pearl shoal
The KB2040 will shift it back down to 3.3V
wind spoke
What about the power switch from the Fisher Price toy?
pearl shoal
So to be clear, is the goal to use none of the electronics on the toy? Just the mechanics?
wind spoke
No, the board will be used, the speaker will be used,.
pearl shoal
Stream looks good
sand lotus
I think the point is to keep the exterior looking stock while changing or appending the sounds it can play.
cinder wind
Stream is good
lavish patrol
Stream was fine today. 👍
smoky island
stream has been good on my end on YT. I joined about 30min in though.
wind spoke
We need the toy ready before the baby is a 10 years old or more...
pearl shoal
Is the toy in pieces? Can you show it again?
wind spoke
John, you had two such See 'N Say, witch one are you working on now, is the other open already?
pearl shoal
The reason for that diode jumper is to allow two boards to run back-to-back as a USB converter.
wild urchin
Do you plan to do parent voice samples for the See 'N Say?
wind spoke
Do you plan to do parent voice samples for the See 'N Say?
And a parent picture?
lavish patrol
Faux pa! Faux pa!
wild urchin
Okudagrams!
wild urchin
You could deeply nerd into building a functioning interface.
lavish patrol
Das blinkenlights.
pearl shoal
Brighter was good
wind spoke
Epileptic warning.
pearl shoal
It looks great!
pearl shoal
John, do you have your own laser cutter? Do you use a makerspace?
If so, which model?
PWM doesn't work?
inner spade
@haughty quiver You can use PaletteFader to dim the panel without dithering. It's in the Community Bundle now.
wind spoke
You should be able to dim that... from (255,255,255) to (0,0,0) you have many (x,x,x) available that will look white...
wild urchin
Sound just dropped out.
pearl shoal
Mic cut out
lavish patrol
Audio died.
viral sail
🔇
sand lotus
Has 9 is the last thing we heard.
wind spoke
"I think you are on mute"
lavish patrol
😄 Workshop charades.
cinder wind
AUDIO GONE @haughty quiver
pearl shoal
A very thoughtful mute moment
wind spoke
!alert Audio
cinder wind
let's all have a moment of silence for the flickering Enterprise-D as it phases out of our universe
lavish patrol
Lars chewed through te cable.