ugh
#circuitpython-dev
split ocean
LOL my bad
sick creek
Panic attack?
pulsar bronze
All systems shut down
cursive sage
what's going on?
onyx escarp
lmaooooo
buoyant valve
everyone comes out of the woodwork when some pings everyone
analog shore
The all mighty ping
slender iron
we're failing to discord correctly 😄
tiny thicket
To be fair most discord servers restrict access to @everyone
split ocean
I'm new at Internet. How does work?
slow vale
new phone. Who dis?
slender iron
@tiny thicket yeah, but we're mods. 🤦
cursive sage
tubes, @split ocean . Don't be cloggin the tubes.
obsidian compass
@@split ocean By removing that ethernet cable...
cursive sage
it's not like a dump truck
slender iron
😄
split ocean
to be fair, this said "channel"
cursive sage
and doesn't everyone HAVE access to "view this channel"? 😉
slender iron
I removed @ everyone rights from @ community helpers
so now only @river quest and I can use it
idle owl
Thank you @split ocean!
slender iron
since we clearly have accidental @ everyones you can always disable it for this server: https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/215253148-How-do-I-stop-everyone-mentions-from-select-servers-
pulsar bronze
^^
void heart
@pulsar bronze Just use a reply all meme.
sick creek
lord of 
pulsar bronze
Snek
cursive sage
danger noodle?
cursive sage
ah yes, another fantastic one. the former, not hte latter
craggy quail
Flashmob!
slender iron
welcome back everyone! 😛
void heart
All it took was an @ everyone
lofty topaz
Hello @slender iron That's probably a good idea. I just got pinged as well.
solar whale
the message count on this channel just got a boost!
cunning crypt
Look! Activity!
split ocean
Hah, I'm here to accidentally rattle the cage on occasion.
cursive sage
imma make this my last message here, since i know nothing about circuitpython, so have no more relevant conversation to contribute
edit: No worries, but imma not replying anymore until I'm on-topic! 😛
slender iron
sorry for the ping @cursive sage
lofty topaz
I was busy reading about the OpenMV M7 camera and using Python tho access its GPIO. Then, ping. Ah nuts...
sick creek
it should have being communityhelpers
formal plover
?membercount
digital shoreBOT
lofty topaz
I thought maybe there was a webcast. Hate missing webcasts. Especially John Parks.
slender iron
@timber lion whats your current compilation error?
lofty topaz
Oh well, back to OpenMV. See ya... ><>
slender iron
have fun @lofty topaz !
split ocean
@lofty topaz I'll be on this Thursday, regular time :)
lofty topaz
TY @slender iron Be there or be square @split ocean 😃
split ocean
<@&356864093652516868> this is a special dedication that goes out straight to YOU (and not the entire server) Thank you for your great work on CircuitPython!
split ocean
I think we all learned a lot that summer.
idle owl
@split ocean You earned Internet level 1!
split ocean
looking forward to getting a merit badge for this.
formal plover
An update on my missing box of CircuitPython boards... UPS called..
So you didn't get your package?
No
Adafruit send new one?
No you guys lost it..
I see, so you buy new one?
No, you guys lost it!
Oh you want us to refund you, not Adafruit?
Yes!
Well we're going to have to keep looking then.
🤦
slender iron
bummer @formal plover ! did you let support know?
formal plover
@slender iron not yet. I really wanted to beat up UPS so I didn't have to go through support.
slender iron
@formal plover they probably have a process for it from their side
its worth letting them know
they keep track of lost package stats and such too
formal plover
Yeah, I'll let them know. Thanks.
tulip sleet
@slender iron still haven't gotten an M4 REPL yet. I used your latest commits (samd51 .ld with no bootloader as default) and overwrote the bootloader (no BOOTPROT set). so it now starts at 0x0. Now I get a "Press any key..." but no ">>>". Does this seem familiar?
slender iron
it doesn't read anything in?
tulip sleet
it doesn't even print the >>>. ctrl-D and ctrl-C do nothing
slender iron
hrm
tulip sleet
Limor and Dean were making tiny patches to some M4 boards when we were there, but was that just Arduino related? Do you know?
slender iron
yeah, arduino stuff
let me commit my wip and load master
turning on msc is breaking cdc right now...
tulip sleet
trying to dupe your setup: 9v wall wart so not powered from usb
slender iron
👍 good to get you going
tulip sleet
agh, now it works; second time. ctrl-C'd in gdb; mon reset; then continue. But that was what I did the first time.
tulip sleet
it does seem like it might be a USB problem. What is Dean using for a USB stack for Arduino?
or he's not htere yet
i am almost tempted to port ASF3 to SAMD51
tulip sleet
i see and now feel your pain
slender iron
I do think this code is generally better. Its just not documented well
tulip sleet
well, now I have an existence proof, so onward
timber lion
@slender iron do you want to track GCC warnings when building master as a bug to get to zero warnings?
slender iron
@timber lion I believe @tulip sleet knows about those warnings so repost them here
timber lion
cool, i'll put them in a bug so they're not lost
tulip sleet
there is an lto warning in the latest build re a USB vars; maybe that's what you saw
but that might be real - the previous lto warning is a gcc bug
slender iron
I think the usb warning is also a bug because it warns that we need a feature that is already enabled
tulip sleet
@timber lion I ran down the battery running Arc Reactor, plugged in a new battery, and it started up fine. no fileystem issues. Fooey. I added a 12-neopixel ring to the CPX (don't have a 24 and the NeoPixel Featherwing did not work well as a downstream set of neopixels).
timber lion
huh weird!
i can try hooking up to a bench supply and lowering voltage a bit
or maybe i'll let it run and see when it dies and measure the voltage
not sure why but it's 3/3 with repros for me 😃
in real world use at least
tulip sleet
i did the bench supply thing quite a lot. random knob twisting sometimes caused an issue, but slow lowering did not cause a problem. I may need a higher current draw. Could you try duplicating again with the 2.x HEAD, and then try my branch (see the bug?) If my branch fixes it, then I'll push that
timber lion
yeah for your pixel tests were you running them full white? i'd try that to max current draw
i did notice once when i tried a small 250mAH battery on the arc reactor as soon as it went full bright it turned off.. oops too much draw for the battery
didn't nuke the filesystem that time
tulip sleet
I did that with the 10 pixels on the CPX. I had a simple allpixel blinky. I made them full bright for 1 sec, just had them go off for 0.1sec to show it was alive. It got dimmer and then quit, but never damaged the filesystem. I'd think that would be similar to the Arc Reactor running down with the 24-npx ring.
Maybe slow decay is actually better. Also, it does keep running for a while even when the npx's don't light up. It can keep running down to 1.8v or so.
but my impression is that you changed the battery as soon as the npx's stopped lighting (may have taken a few minutes to notice)
timber lion
yeah @tulip sleet it also died with a circuit playground express and the circuitwalker sneakers here: https://github.com/adafruit/Circuit_Walker_Sneakers/tree/master/CircuitPython_Circuit_Walker that didn't have any extra hardware beyond what's on CPX. i was wearing two of them at a bladerunner thing and noticed one shoe stopped working. swapped out the battery and it never came back. at home i tried it and it had the NO NAME filesystem that needed to be wiped
tulip sleet
@timber lion well, maybe I'll try several of them at once and see if I can get any damage of some kind - I only have two LiPo's (500 and 1200); should get a few more
@timber lion re submodule problems; did you do git submodule update as well?
not just init
timber lion
ah i ended up googling the git magic to make it work, like all things git you pull your hair out until you find the magic incantation
the second part of the first answer here is what you want: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10168449/git-update-submodule-recursive
why it doesn't do that by default... git
tulip sleet
@timber lion the proof that git has a terrible UI is that its own commands print out hints of what to do (e.g. what git status prints)
timber lion
haha exactly 😃
tulip sleet
I have 4 or 5 CPX's so I will set them all aglowing and running down the batteries. It looks weird from outside the house at night.
slender iron
@tulip sleet put them in pumpkins and you'll be ok. 🎃
tulip sleet
LOL
tulip sleet
@tidal kiln thanks - I may tape some CPX's to the windows too, maybe with pictures of stuff in front of them
tidal kiln
i actually used that last year for my pumpkin. worked really well.
that's like my upstream for the cp library
i'm thinking of just leaving comparator out for an initial release
fickle compass
@slender iron @split ocean I was wondering why I had adafruit notifications, those usually happen on Wednesday! 😆
slender iron
😃 we got excited @fickle compass
fickle compass
😄
What's happening with circuit python these days btw? I've been a bit too busy to do any electronics unfortunately
slender iron
@split ocean is making some more awesome guides for it on the circuitplayground express
fickle compass
👍 👍 👍
timber lion
this is a really handy ASF4 doc for anyone that hasn't seen it: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/50002633A.pdf outlines the why of their design decisions
slender iron
thanks for the link @timber lion browsing it now to see if it can help me with usb
tidal kiln
484 pages. nice light reader. 😋
timber lion
yeah the top parts are good, explains like what HRI is vs. HPL 😃
they really kinda threw everything out and started over with asf4 it seems
the basic register stuff is the same though once you find where it's at
slender iron
yeah, I like the theory of it. in practice though its not well documented
slender iron
np!
timber lion
cool i have neopixel compiling with 3.0.. but it's quite good at locking up the entire board when I try to write 😃 have a feeling I'm not doing the cast to port group correctly
slender iron
awesome! are you using jlink to load and everything?
timber lion
nope just building the .uf2 for cplay express
on samd21
i don't have the 51 or anything fancy
timber lion
in theory the hal functions are all the same for 51 vs 21
but i'll be curious to see if timing is diff
timber lion
first want to get it working on 21 though
timber lion
cool got neopixel going on samd21
slender iron
w00t!
timber lion
yeah i was doing some bad casts to convert from pin # to port register
slender iron
ah
timber lion
had to dig into their source a bit to figure out how they do it now
slender iron
good work!
timber lion
i'll send a pull for it to master, but yeah it's not 51 tested yet
but probably can't hurt to get in 21 at least
i have a feeling 51 will need some special timing
might need like a board specific neopixel_write implemntation
slender iron
board specific? we can ifdef to change between samd21 and samd51
slender iron
do you have an m4?
slender iron
hrm ok. ideally when we re-enable stuff it works for both the 21 and 51
teensy isn't what I'm thinking though it is an m4 😃
tidal kiln
ok. think i'm ready to make a pr. do i do that to the main cp repo?
slender iron
for the drivers @tidal kiln ?
tidal kiln
yep
slender iron
nope, they'll live outside the repo
tidal kiln
how to submit then?
manic glacierBOT
slender iron
did you see my comment about my desire to get the API like AnalogIn?
slender iron
ok, I was thinking it'd be nice to change the API so that you can use a single channel from the ADC in place of an AnalogIn
tidal kiln
"in place"?
slender iron
right, python doesn't necessarily check types. it just assumes you can use an object the way you want until you can't
tidal kiln
so basically make it behave the same
slender iron
right
tidal kiln
does analogin work like that?
slender iron
I have this imaginary world where every driver for a given sensor type can be swapped for another
slender iron
right a would be equivalent to adc[0]
tidal kiln
but when using AnalogIn, do you even have anything like a[0].value?
slender iron
nope
tidal kiln
i can see it could be done,
slender iron
the [0] part is different but .value is the same
tidal kiln
just create multiple and store in a list
slender iron
you'll probably want a helper class to represent each channel
and the channel objects would be in the list
tidal kiln
a=[]
a.append(AnalogIn(A0))
a.append(AnalogIn(A1))
thats how you could do it with analogin
the adc object itself would be a hybrid between a list and the adc
so len(adc) would return the number of channels
tidal kiln
what would importing and setting it up look like?
slender iron
import adafruit_CircuitPython_ADS1x15
adc = adafruit_CircuitPython_ADS1x15.ADS1015()
for channel in adc:
print(channel.value)
or
print(adc[0].value)
i'd look at adding a channel property perhaps that yields each channel, that way as a generator there's no memory hit
like:
for channel in adc.channels:
print(channel.value)
the .channels property implementation would be funky, ideally with yield in a for loop
but it could just return a list to start
slender iron
you could also create the channel on item access right?
timber lion
makes it more clear you're operating on the channels since the adc itself has some global state
like gain, etc
so it's more clear you're operating on channels vs. the ADC itself
but that's just my random thought 😃
tidal kiln
right. was wondering about global state stuff.
slender iron
return Channel(self, index)
@timber lion yeah, its worth thinking about whether channels should be a property
my goal would be able to do something like:
# setup analog
# import analogio
# import board
# a = analogio.AnalogIn(board.A0)
# OR!
import adafruit_CircuitPython_ADS1x15
adc = adafruit_CircuitPython_ADS1x15.ADS1015()
a = adc[0]
while True:
# change neopixel color based on analog readings from a
so it's more of an ADC channel drop in replacement
tidal kiln
that seems easier than generalizing the entire ADC
tidal kiln
yeah. interesting.
slender iron
I'm happy to spend time with you hacking on it tomorrow or this week. I've gotta go start dinner tonight now though
tidal kiln
yah. no worries. want to link to current repo?
slender iron
what do you mean?
slender iron
a link on the issue would be great 😃
tidal kiln
when you get a chance, could you paste some of that code example in the issue comments?
manic glacierBOT
tidal kiln
thanks. laters!
cunning crypt
Hmm. Who's here that can update the "Learn" pages?
The Trinket M0 page is GREAT
Except
It doesn't list the --port=PORT command
In other news
My Feather M0 basic now has CircuitPython on it
cunning crypt
Trying to get teh ST7735 working. There's the library that's supposed to work with it, but the only example is for an ESP8266 and ILI9341
The code is running, but the screen isn't doing anything
Hmm, probably should be in #help-with-projects
formal plover
Here or there works @cunning crypt
formal plover
We use this channel for both collaboration and to help others working with CircuitPython.
cunning crypt
Useful!
formal plover
Indeed!
cunning crypt
..Well, if I had LOOKED at things, it would have been a bit easier.
I just glanced over the comment block in the ST7735 file and went straight to the init code
formal plover
@cunning crypt this might help you out if you don't mind getting your hands dirty https://learn.adafruit.com/circuitpython-basics-i2c-and-spi/i2c-devices
cunning crypt
Oh, the I2C will be super useful since I'm intending to get my Hall Array board working.
On the other hand, instead of writing a custom library for the Hall Array board, I'm likely to just re-write the board's ATTiny code to be largely functional with the SeeSaw code
Considering they're both intended to do pretty much the exact same thing
I'm following the stuff in the commented out bit in the ST7735 class
And having no results
According to the REPL, there's no errors.
Screen does nothing.
AHA
Screen I have wants ST7735R, not ST7735
cunning crypt
"On the other hand, instead of writing a custom library for the Hall Array board, I'm likely to just re-write the board's ATTiny code to be largely functional with the SeeSaw code"
Or not. Poking at the seesaw libraries, they're written by someone with significantly more knowledge and capabilities than myself.
I'm understanding the "How it works" of about a third of it.
On the other hand, I can always write the CP library and post everything on GitHub (Like I was going to do anyway!). Then if someone with better knowedge and tolerance for programming wants to hack away at making it SeeSaw compatible, they can have fun.
cunning crypt
Yay! A bug!
Red/Blue are swapped
goes to write bug report
Also, a question I'll leave as I go to bed: I'm seeing a number of examples with board.GPIO# and using the M0 basic, I need to use board.D# (I haven't tried analog pins). Attempting GPIO# fails completely. Is this an old method that needs to be updated in the examples, or is it something that should be addressed with the M0 basic's CircuitPython core?
solar whale
@cunning crypt the pin naming is a mix - on the ESP8266 the GPIO# are used on the M0 it is D#. One way to verifyt the names is in the REPL: ```impport board
dir(board)
cunning crypt
@solar whale That is incredibly annoying. There should be a unified pin scheme for all MCs, IMO.
Honestly, I prefer GPIO over D/A
GPIO4 is GPIO4, whether it's analog or digital. Although I get why wanting to keep the Arduino-style stuff around is a thing
solar whale
@cunning crypt I'm just the messenger 😉 - on the Trinket M0 D0 is A2,D1is A0 D2isA1 D3isA3 and D4isA4 - lots of fun!
cunning crypt
Yeah, figured you were the messenger.
Also figured if I'm going to voice a complaint, here would be the place.
solar whale
@cunning crypt yes, it sure is.
cunning crypt
It's probably on their radar anyway
solar whale
if you find a bug, you can open an issue in the github repository https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/issues
formal plover
@cunning crypt CircuitPython is non beta, but it's still a maturing language. The community has been really great at embracing that concept. The fact that it's so open to the community for involvement is what's also making it great. People finding bugs and adding drivers, libraries, guides; makes it special.
cunning crypt
@formal plover Exactly. Just because it's non-beta doesn't mean it's super-perfect-finished
@solar whale I planned on it... once I'm off my phone and on my computer and have had some breakfast
Typing bug reports on a phone is... not the best typing
tidal kiln
fyi. if anyone else is experiencing github weirdness right now:
https://status.github.com/messages
"Recently performed site actions may not appear in the UI."
cunning crypt
Good to know
formal plover
I'll have all the boards that support CircuitPython by the end of this week!
cunning crypt
@formal plover Will you then be feeling a bit... bored?
formal plover
Bwhaha puns are back! @cunning crypt
cunning crypt
Back? I never stopped!
slender iron
@cunning crypt pin names in the board file are there to match the silkscreen on the board. Its not our place to normalize pin naming
cunning crypt
@slender iron I both agree and disagree.
Primarily, I feel like having no method for universal pin control (Be it separate from GPIO/DX) makes basic examples, and board-to-board porting, a lot harder than they really need to be
slender iron
@cunning crypt I don't know what you mean by universal pin control
I do know there are names we are starting to standardize like D13, MOSI, MISO, SCK, TX, RX
cunning crypt
Uhh.... one call that pulls the appropriate pin number.
IE, PIN13 would call GPIO13 if the board uses GPIO, or D13 if the board uses D
slender iron
right but neither board calls it PIN13
cunning crypt
I noticed MOSI, MISO, etc yesterday. Quite useful and I love it.
slender iron
and 13 is arbitrary
cunning crypt
Agreed, 13 is arbitrary, but that said - I'm coming from a largely Arduino background. pinMode(0, OUTPUT) works on the ESP arduino core, the M0 arduino core, the ATMega arduino core, the ATTiny arduino core, even if they're routed to wildly different pins.
Which allows an example code to, for the most part, work across all boards because people can be intuitive and realize Pin 0 is GPIO0 on the ESP, or D0 on the ATMega
manic glacierBOT
cunning crypt
@slender iron You work on the RGB Display libraries as well, correct?
slender iron
@cunning crypt Ah, I don't have an Arduino background so pin as a number is weird
I only work on circuitpython libraries
slender iron
thanks for filing the issue! @stuck elbow will hopefully see it then
cunning crypt
And I agree, pin as a number is a little weird, but it's a bit more beginner friendly
Things don't get done without bug reports
slender iron
yeah, python identifiers can't start with a number, thats with is GPIO0 on the ESP
cunning crypt
I don't think they can in any language I know of.
If I recall correctly, Arduino has a file for each board
Which tells it which number goes to which actual pin
cunning crypt
And then replaces everything at compile time
slender iron
😬
cunning crypt
It can get away with things like that since it can afford "bloat" since all of that gets stripped away when it's compiled.
slender iron
@cunning crypt looks like ladyada got back to you 😃
cunning crypt
I see that!
slender iron
yeah, compiling is nice for code size and speed
slender iron
@formal plover whats your username on github?
formal plover
@slender iron KurticusMaximus
Haha don't ask.
I tired to switch it to Kurt H and it came with like 60 warnings.
slender iron
I'm tannewt so no problem from me
cunning crypt
Changing usernames on GitHub is not the best thing. Otherwise I'd be AndonRT like I am pretty much everywhere else now
slender iron
@fading solstice ping me if you are around today
slender iron
anybody besides @idle owl have PRs for me to look at? I'm going through them now and then will be heads down on USB.
manic glacierBOT
idle owl
@slender iron I don't know how to work more than one pull request at once, so I keep doing them sequentially. The next two API updates are done, but might result in feedback from you, not just an automatic merge.
slender iron
kattni, you just need multiple branches, one for each
idle owl
It doesn't cause merge conflicts as you merge the first one and then try to do the second one? That's what I was trying to avoid.
slender iron
it will potentially, you just need to rebase the one thats committed second before its pulled.
idle owl
@slender iron Sorry about that, you were right about the change you requested. It's been updated. I'm letting you know here because you said it doesn't pop back up in lists for you if you request changes.
slender iron
yup! I saw. it works ok now?
idle owl
Yeah, I took it directly from a file that Dan sent me. I thought the fact that the neopixel library worked differently explained why the property looked different. I just tested it multiple ways though. I have lights. 😃
slender iron
👍
cunning crypt
Question: If I call an invalid pin, does CircuitPython yell at you, or ignore it?
Arduino ignores bad pins, which I've never particularly liked, but I know there's a few times people have (ab)used it
Or I could just take the simple solution and plug in and go to the REPL. It yells, as it should (IMO)
fringe trench
@cunning crypt the REPL makes it easy to answer a lot of questions with "What happens when you try it?"
cunning crypt
Rather than write up code, compile it, upload it, open the serial monitor, make sure you're using the right baud rate...
fringe trench
This is true in any language with a REPL, Scheme through Erlang through Python and Ruby.
Well, you do have to set the correct baud rate on whatever you're using to attach to the REPL, but you can probably script that.
cunning crypt
Well, yes, but with Arduino you're using a bunch of different boards with different baud rates. Once you're already in the REPL, it's "Type a line to test"
floral dagger
on the ESP boards with webrepl, you don't even have to connect the board to test.
cunning crypt
@slender iron I think that issue I just posted would, overall, be a much easier solution than unifying the pin names. Plus, it has more uses than just pins.
@floral dagger I just started poking at CircuitPython yesterday. Haven't got that far yet, but sounds great.
floral dagger
@cunning crypt If you have a huzzah, check it out. You can access the repl through a web browser. If you also have it connected via USB, you can watch one change as you type in the other
It's pretty cool
formal plover
@cunning crypt Feather HUZZAH is where it's at. There's a few of us floating around playing with CircuitPython and the HUZZAH. @floral dagger has been doing some really cool stuff with it.
cunning crypt
Am I correct in reading that SD cards aren't fully supported on CP yet?
slender iron
@cunning crypt jerry found a bug on esp8266 with SD cards but its worked for me with an M0
playing a wav off SD also doesn't work yet I believe
cunning crypt
Oh, cool.
I just read that the M0 Adalogger doesn't support the SD card
and remembered seeing an SD card issue
slender iron
where does it say that?
slender iron
👍 please file a bug to fix that
cunning crypt
You said playing wav off of an SD doesn't work?
May want to re-open this then: https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/issues/105
slender iron
@cunning crypt I'd rather open a new specific issue for the SD card. I can't remember who ran into the issue. I think it was on discord here.
cunning crypt
Fair enough.
tulip sleet
@slender iron getting close on the asf4 repo. Already created. I have a couple of samd21 patches that don't apply with the latest download. I'll diff the final result with the current tree to see what's new. Q: do you need to add the repo to #adafruit-github-feed, and should we add it to bot notifications in #circuitpython-dev? It's adafruit/asf4. Did you get a notification that it was created and you were subscribed to its notifications?
slender iron
I don't think we need to worry too much about bots
I did get the email about it
what didn't apply? the latest patches I added I split by hand
tulip sleet
cast-align.patch for (only) samd21/hal/src/hal_timer.c and flash-const.patch for samd21/half/src/hal_flash.c. The samd51 versions of those patches applied fine. I haven't taken a look at the diffs yet at all. Re bots: do you mean it's not worth adding all the new repos (or is that automatic)? I kinda like it, but I could get the same info from github.
cunning crypt
Man, GitHub Bot is on the ball. Shows up almost faster than on the web page
slender iron
the bots aren't automatic but I can give you the secret url to add more if you like
solar whale
@slender iron @cunning crypt The note in the "readme" regarding no SD support for the M0 Adalogger is a holdover from the orignal CP releases. SD support is now available, but as to playing WAV files, that may well be an differnt issue. I have not tried. They play fine from the M0 Express boards "on-board" flash.
tulip sleet
ok, pm me
slender iron
@cunning crypt its based on github webhooks so its speedy
cunning crypt
Yeah, webhooks are fast. Even though I've been using it for ages, I'm still amazed at HOW fast the internet can be sometimes
solar whale
@slender iron @cunning crypt I may have mis-spoken - What I have tested is the Adalogger Featherwing on a feather M0-express. it eorks fine with adafruit_sdcard.mpy - I have not used the M0 Adalogger. Sorry for any confusion.
slender iron
I've tested with the M0 Adalogger
cunning crypt
@slender iron Am I correct in assuming that board, os, etc are all generated and there's no place I can go to look at the various ones for various boards?
slender iron
what do you mean by generated?
the APIs should generally be the same with the exception of the pin names
cunning crypt
I want to look at what they spit out.
slender iron
board is based on board_global_dict_table: https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/blob/master/atmel-samd/boards/trinket_m0/pins.c
cunning crypt
If I want to make a "Blink" sketch that runs on all boards, I need to know what os.uname() returns, and what pins are available in board
slender iron
uname is based on common_hal_os_uname: https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/blob/master/atmel-samd/common-hal/os/__init__.c#L66
cunning crypt
I knew the information was there, I knew the file itself didn't exist until it was made and shoved on the board, but I wasn't sure where to look
slender iron
yeah, its all compiled it
cunning crypt
Hmm. MICROPY_HW_BOARD_NAME is what OS pulls, but I'm not sure where it's pulling it from. Time to dig.
There it is
boards/(whatever)/mpconfigboard.h
slender iron
slender iron
make a pull request @cunning crypt !
cunning crypt
I'd have to remember/re-learn how to use GitHub first!
slender iron
😃
cunning crypt
(On my list of things to do!)
slender iron
for something that small you can actually edit it on github if you like
cunning crypt
Well, now THAT'S certainly convenient
Pretty much all the boards
have the built-in LED on what's referred to as D13
slender iron
😃
cunning crypt
Except for the Huzzah, which is GPIO0
That makes writing this universal blink script a LOT easier.
I'm going to skip the M4 express since it, well, doesn't really exist quite yet as far as I'm aware. Outside of prototypes, of course
sick creek
M4 the new hotness
floral dagger
GPIO0 is also the pin that sets the esp8266 into programming mode, so it can be a tricky one to mess with
I hate that pin lol
cunning crypt
Oh, oh yes.
But if you're using it as a simple LED flash, you're fairly safe
Dpes anyone have the Feather M0 Adalogger with the latest CP on it handy?
According to https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/blob/master/atmel-samd/boards/feather_m0_adalogger/pins.c
SD_CS should be a pin
which means that it IS supported, but the readme is out of date. But I don't want to close the issue/update the readme if that's not the case. And I dont have one to test with
cunning crypt
I'm guessing the ESP modules don't have the handy-dandy show-as-thumb-drive support
cunning crypt
Well now THAT is weird.
digitalio seems to not exist on my Feather Huzzah
oh, no, it's just my typing
slender iron
@cunning crypt esp modules don't have built in usb
slender iron
exactly
cunning crypt
Interesting. Feather HUZZAHs actually have two built-in LEDs
ESP-12 module has one tied to GPIO2
And there's the Huzzah board one that's tied to GPIO0
@slender iron What's the recommended way for getting files on/off of the ESP?
floral dagger
::raises hand::
cunning crypt
I WAS going to complain that ampy was refusing to access the ESP
Then I remembered I had the REPL up
floral dagger
I need to dig into how that webrepl uploader works. I would like to make a gui uploader for the ESP
cunning crypt
THAT would be fantastic
formal plover
Indeed that'd be pretty awesome. I've been using Ampy for quite some time now @cunning crypt
cunning crypt
Apparently I had ampy already installed
I remember trying out micropython on the esp ages ago
formal plover
Gotcha. Update Ampy or you're going to have a bad time. Lol
cunning crypt
Oh, I did
formal plover
Haha good deal
timber mango
hello
idle owl
Hello @timber mango!
timber mango
i was wondering how i could do the number call thing at the end of the live stream
formal plover
@timber mango they'll say it's ohm-bit-stab I'll be a kill joy and just tell you it's 646-248-7822
idle owl
@timber mango They'll tell you when to call.
formal plover
You'll have to wait till they open the lines of course. The trick is there's about 4 seconds of delay on YouTube so you have to call just a tad early
@timber mango you're welcome!
timber mango
thank you kattni and kurt
formal plover
And don't hang up on accident lol. I've done that before.
formal plover
You're welcome. You can call that number whenever you want and leave a nice voicemail if you'd like as well.
solar whale
@slender iron I have my new logic analyzer and it is working well. Here are some screen shots: First is the micropython sdmount on the esp8266: oops wrong file - correct one below hmm can't delete the attached file - sorry
slender iron
great!
solar whale
adafruit_sdcard attemted sdmount:
micropython sdmount - works
now to figure out why..... clearly something not working
cunning crypt
If anyone wants to take a look: First draft of the "Universal" Blink example
https://hastebin.com/kokukoweci.py
tidal kiln
@solar whale wow. mosi and miso are totally flat.
slender iron
hey, just wanted to let folks know. if you have an issue or PR that you are waiting for me on I'll do it in the mornings. I usually segment my day so I can focus on code in the afternoon.
solar whale
@tidal kiln yes - clearly not responding.
idle owl
@slender iron Thanks for letting us know.
cunning crypt
Ugh. CircuitPython I2C is not being kind to me.
slender iron
@cunning crypt look at the I2C BusDevice
cunning crypt
I was. It was "Working" but I wasn't getting any useful data from it
Since it's an ATTiny running an I2C slave code, I'm not 100% sure it's not the issue there.
But, in any case, I'm just going to try again another day
slender iron
👍
idle owl
@slender iron If I make two pull requests, are you going to have to kick the second one back to me to resolve the conflicts that won't exist until you accept the first one? I'm unclear on how that would work.
slender iron
not sure, give it a shot!
idle owl
Sounds good! Thanks!
slender iron
np
tidal kiln
@formal plover let me know if you're working the TSL2561:
https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/issues/314
formal plover
@tidal kiln Nope, I'm working on the HT16K33
tidal kiln
cool. that's you that scott's referring to in the comment?
formal plover
Haha yeah, KurticusMaximus
tidal kiln
any idea what he's referring to? "similar repo"??
formal plover
I think he was just referring to that I was using cookie cutter to pull the info from GitHub to build the readthedocs for it. Radomir (deshipu) already created a Micropython driver for the HT16K33, so I was cloning that repo and making it more CircuitPython ish and creating the Readthedocs for it
tidal kiln
hmmm. ok. sounds like there's no existing circuitpython work or anything if i just go ahead and start fresh on the TSL. (i'll take a look at the micropython version of course)
formal plover
@tidal kiln yeah, similar situation here. I believe that's what he was referring to
There's no readthedocs for the driver. So I have to make one
tidal kiln
ok. thanks. guess it'll make more sense as i go through the cookie cutter process (again).
formal plover
Yeah. I'm really far behind. I'm hoping to work on it this weekend.
I had everything up I was working in and we lost power... So that's always good. So now I have to figure out where I left off
idle owl
Oi
tidal kiln
lost power and lost work? ouch
formal plover
Ohhh yes. Always fun.
tidal kiln
yah. "fun".
formal plover
I was just doing everything through VNC on a Pi. I had 2 CircuitPython boards hooked up where I was working on projects and this readthedocs stuff up... Lots of things gone.
idle owl
Buggery. I hope it's a lot less gone than you think with some luck.
formal plover
@idle owl Thanks, I hope so too. The project stuff I was actually saving notes on my Chromebook that I was using for VNC to the Pi... The readthedocs stuff though was like mid session though. However, the files should be saved. I had everything I think I needed in the folder and was just going to test the code to make sure it worked.
Then make it more CircuitPython ish and post it.
idle owl
@formal plover Yeah I've been there where it turned out things saved more recently than I knew and in the end I didn't have to redo a ton. But you never know until you get back to it.
Nice!
formal plover
I should have recorded our trio session with Scott. Lol.
idle owl
Even when I take notes, I sometimes wish I'd done the same.
formal plover
Right right
idle owl
looks at notes Why did I write index here? (etc...)
Seems about 50% of the time, with a currently open file, Atom follows not only when I rename the file, but rename and move it. The other half of the time, if I rename it in place, Atom throws a popup error and fails completely. I still haven't figured out whether there's a pattern to when it fails or if it's completely inconsistent.
idle owl
The error says it's a known bug so I haven't bothered reporting it. I never lose work from it, it's mostly a curiosity.
formal plover
Gotcha.
manic glacierBOT
slender iron
hey @tidal kiln , drivers don't need _CircuitPython in the py file name
tidal kiln
hmmm. thought i read that somewhere...checking...
yah. not sure what made me think that was the pattern.
slender iron
its good for the repo name
tidal kiln
ah
slender iron
filenames are used in code so its a bit long for that
tidal kiln
that's probably it. was giving cookiecutter the repo name.
and i'm also probably incorrectly thinking directory name == repo name
slender iron
yup yup, all my directories are just the device name
tidal kiln
prior to being forked/supported, what should it be called?
slender iron
@tidal kiln adafruit_ is fine. we'll get it supported soon
tidal kiln
also. pep8 check. the .py should be all lower case?
slender iron
yeah, I usually do that
@meager fog had the idea of us hooking up python code style auto-checking to learn guide code and we could do libraries as well
idle owl
That would be neat. I use a linter in Atom but I'm finding sometimes I have to pass up the suggestions for readability. I had it running from the beginning of learning code, so it's been a bit of a change to have to make design decisions that go against the linter's suggestions. Sphinx especially messes with it.
tidal kiln
my favorite part of pe8: "However, know when to be inconsistent"
slender iron
yup yup, I'll want to tune it for my style
@idle owl looks like you'll need to rebase the second pull request
idle owl
@slender iron I watched it update to having conflicts as you approved the first one.
slender iron
😃
idle owl
Which is what I expected. It works out though because Wolf REALLY wants to teach me rebase. And we haven't had a legitimate reason to do it yet.
slender iron
😃
@tulip sleet lol: +5, -441,475 lines: https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/pull/318
slender iron
@idle owl I have 20 minutes now if you want me to help on the acceleration PR
idle owl
@slender iron You wouldn't have time in about an hour would you?
idle owl
Or anytime after that, I meant.
Oh yea, he can definitely help me with rebasing it. That's no issue.
slender iron
i'll be at the library this afternoon likely. I won't be able to voice chat but will be on text
idle owl
Ok
river quest
hi @here we are going to be doing some fun ads with circuit python, SO! like all things adafruit, we're going to ask our community what they think!
river quest
we'll do some small banners likely with blink, the boards, etc. and we're thinking of this text - "CircuitPython - A Python implementation for coding with microcontrollers from Adafruit"
tidal verge
Something on the lines of the snake game and the mascot?
river quest
so when ya'll see this, make suggestions on how we can explain and show circuitpython
yah, we'll have blinks for sure in some way
errant grail
@river quest I think of circuit python in terms of outcomes. It's relatively easy to learn, supports a wide variety of sensors and stuff at a high level, is self-contained, and is directly related to a seasoned programming language that likely won't go away. You can learn and create with CP then apply those skills as you progress as a maker or in your career.
river quest
good stuff @errant grail
so maybe ... Know Python? Make sensors sense with CircuitPython
errant grail
yeah -- what you get with CP is simple, easy, expandable, and not proprietary
river quest
CircuitPython - Simple, easy, expandable, will not hurt your feelings
errant grail
😁
sick creek
good easy and confortable
feral sage
now i feel like i gotta try it
floral dagger
CP-Fast dev stuffs for the rest of us.
Couldn't resist the seinfeld reference
river quest
CircuitPython - Fast dev stuffs for the rest of us
idle owl
I almost always talk about it being a teaching/learning language when I talk about it. Which happens probably more than it should. And I always talk about the community that comes with it.
floral dagger
Could always use the "robot friend" theme.....CircuitPython: Make robot friend - not robot enemy.
idle owl
The community is amazing. And in my opinion, a crucial part of the language. You have an idea? People will help you make it happen. You don't know Python? People will help you learn with CP. You just want to share something you did? People will be super supportive.
There's zero chance I'd be as far along as I am in learning programming if I hadn't stumbled into the Circuit Playground Express and CircuitPython.
I'd have to give it more thought to turn all of that into a snappy tagline though. 😃
errant grail
Learn, program, grow!
floral dagger
@river quest where might we see these banners when they go live?
river quest
Code + Community = CircuitPython
@floral dagger MAKE and hackaday since i either worked there or founded it
floral dagger
oh cool. Sounds like a really neat idea
idle owl
@river quest Nailed it.
river quest
ok folks, congrats, we made an ad together 😃
floral dagger
^5
tulip sleet
@slender iron "+5, -441,475 lines: " I know - I did a double-take when I saw the merge. I didn't think ASF4 was THAT big 👀
river quest
thanks @formal plover
formal plover
@river quest You're welcome! That's a solid slogan/ad.
Speaks to what CircuitPython is
❤
If only there was a code emoji, we could do it all in emojis haha
umbral dagger
Just got the notice from Digikey that my 8MB SPI flash chips shipped. I’ll be supersizing a feather M0express this weekend.
idle owl
@umbral dagger Nice!
cunning crypt
@umbral dagger Which ones are they?
cunning crypt
Not the cheapest flash, but it's a decent upgrade for the board
idle owl
@slender iron I don't understand what you mean with the acceleration thing.
slender iron
it should just be acceleration and return a tuple
the x, y, z = is way to unpack it
idle owl
In code.py? Or in the API still
idle owl
I'm missing something fundamental here. I remember going through this concept before and getting the same "bound_method object is not iterable" error. It has something to do with the way lis3dh needs to be called to update the data.
That's how I ended up with the individual properties.
I changed it up and changed up my code.py and that's the error I get. If I tweak it a little, and I print cpx.acceleration it returns <bound_method>
slender iron
ah, I'm thinking it should be return self._lis3dh.acceleration
idle owl
ok. Let me try that.
Same error.
Same results with print.
I really think it is related to how it has to be called to update. I tried a bunch of these types of things before I got it to work before.
tulip sleet
@property
def acceleration(self):
return self._lis3dh.acceleration
don't forget the @property
idle owl
I knew I was missing something obvious.
x, y, z = cpx.acceleration
print(x, y, z)```Works.
That's what you want code.py to look like?
I was worried that would be unclear.
tulip sleet
could be cpx.acceleration_xyz if you think that would be more obvious
idle owl
That part is fine. I meant having x, y, z on their own might be unclear.
slender iron
that is what I was thinking @idle owl
the x, y, z are up to the user so they can decide to rename it
tulip sleet
accel_x, accel_y, accel_z = cpx.acceleration ?
idle owl
I wouldn't have given it a second thought, but the friend who just got a CPX, I was explaining it to her and x, y, z didn't mean anything to her. She's plenty smart, but I guess not everyone got that far in maths?
tidal kiln
thisway, thatway, otherway = cpx.acceleration # whatever you want
idle owl
Could be an edge case, but that's what got me headed down this path in the first place.
Ok
tulip sleet
forward_backward, left_right, up_down = ... (not sure that's right, but I think so
tidal kiln
i'd say just keep it .acceleration
idle owl
The only thing left to fix is the example in Sphinx. I'll test that it builds in Sphinx and then get it up to Github 😃
tidal kiln
the fact that's it's the xyz components can just be part of the doc
idle owl
I need to explain it differently than it is, obviously, but I'll get it sorted.
Thanks guys 😃
tidal kiln
as long as we stick with a right handed coord sys. all good. 😀
slender iron
xyz are the terms used on the board itself
idle owl
That's a valid point that I knew but hadn't considered.
I even made the image with a red box around it, lol.
tulip sleet
I was actually confused by the direction of x, but found out it's standard for navigation. I asked here: https://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=102426. This help me to understand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axes_conventions
tidal kiln
ha! i can edit my typos. take that irc!
sick creek
Space
tidal kiln
related question: what's the approach to make the property read-only? just don't have a .setter defined?
idle owl
I thought it was underscores. If private == read-only anyway...
I may not understand the question.
tulip sleet
@tidal kiln right, no setter
tidal kiln
@tulip sleet thanks. the error message you get if you try is a little confusing.
print(thing.x) # works
thing.x = 23 # says there is no property 'x', but i just printed it!?!?!?
Doc design question. If you don't call x, y, z = cpx.acceleration inside a loop, it obtains the data once, and your code follows suit. Should I put in 2 examples? One where you obtain the data once and one where you stream it? They both seem like reasonable beginner use-cases. And given that it's a slightly different setup from any of the other sensors so far, I'm wondeirng how detailed I should be with my explanation. I'm leaning towards very, but I'm always leaning that way when it comes to explaining to beginners.
tulip sleet
@tidal kiln that seems like something that should be fixed. In CPython 3:
>>> class C:
... @property
... def p(self):
... return 3
...
>>>
>>> c = C()
>>> c.p
3
>>> c.p = 4
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
AttributeError: can't set attribute
@idle owl I would say that in this case, most of the interesting use cases are detecting changes in orientation, so a loop is a good idea. A simple check is whether is < or > 0, to check orientation.
tidal kiln
@tulip sleet indeed. that's better.
idle owl
@tulip sleet Ok. I'll keep the example I had. I think it works.
tulip sleet
@idle owl it will encourage experimentation: "What happens when i tilt the board?"
idle owl
That's a great way to look at it. I like it. I already had a streaming example, but I thought I would ask.
tulip sleet
you can suggest that explicitly: "Try tilting the board in all directions to see what gets printed."
idle owl
That was the plan. 😃
tidal kiln
For ref, here's what it does in circuitpython REPL:
>>> class C:
... @property
... def p(self):
... return 3
...
...
...
>>> c = C()
>>> c.p
3
>>> c.p = 4
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
AttributeError: 'C' object has no attribute 'p'
@tidal kiln, yeah, that's lousy. I'll look around and see if MPy excuses that behavior somehow. You could file an issue in any case.
idle owl
@slender iron Ok, updated and pushed.
slender iron
k, will look in a sec after I finish state taxes 😃
idle owl
No rush 😃
tidal kiln
why not? they rock!
slender iron
k done
they are easy because they don't take expenses into account
good job @idle owl! https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_CircuitPlayground/pulse
hacktoberfest in a week
idle owl
@slender iron Thank you! 😊
tidal kiln
got your 4 PRs? yeah!
tidal kiln
pulse?
idle owl
It's a Github thing that tracks PRs and commits and all kinds of things. It's under "Insights"
tidal kiln
ah. thought maybe the hacktoberfest site had a tracker or something.
idle owl
Not that I know of. I wasn't sure how they were doing it until Scott explained they just check at the end of the month.
Ah my other PR was to a different repo, that's right.
tidal kiln
cool. i'm at.......1! 😕
idle owl
It was complete coincidence that they chose October. I already had all of these on my list, I was just working my way through.
Trying to finish my Learn Guide now.
tidal kiln
😅 ⌨ 🖥
errant grail
More reasons to use (Circuit) Python (like we need five more). http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a27222/5-reasons-python-should-be-the-first-coding-language-you-learn/
tulip sleet
@slender iron I'm merging all the 2.x changes into master. I saw something weird where some combination of -finline-limit -Os -O2 caused some routines to apparently disappear completely. It broke my deinit() checking. I fixed the Makefile to be consistent and the problem went away. I seem to remember you saw something like that??
slender iron
I didn't mean to end up with -0s -O2 at the same time
tulip sleet
no, that was my fault, from a complicated merge. I will not defer merging things so much. There were a number of merge conflicts I had to go through carefully.
anyway, it works well enough in the REPL to blink D13, so my assumption is it's perfect 😉
tulip sleet
I remember some frustration you had with -O1, I thought, a week or two again. Maybe it's back in the chat, or maybe I'm misremembering. Not important.
tulip sleet
Yes, this was with -Os (by accident) on the m4. I don't see hardfaults, but the calls to my deinit checking routine seem to have been optimized away. That didn't cause a crash, because they were just checks, but I could see that if other small routines were optimized away, bad things would happen.
so I bet it's the same thing.
also went away if i turned off LTO and left -Os (I was just divide-and-conquering the compiler flags)
it might have been with -finline-limit turned on as well
slender iron
yeah, I feel like I've seen that if all you do is raise an exception
tulip sleet
that sounds like a good test too. I'll keep an eye out. and there it is ⬆
slender iron
will look tomorrow
tulip sleet
np - I'm pretty much done for today
slender iron
👍
timber lion
wow weird @tulip sleet I just had a cplay express erase itself again. i plugged in what i thought was a charged lipo but probably not, now it's NONAME fs.. was running the 2.0 release https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/releases/tag/2.0.0 i'll keep this battery around as it might be good to repro with
the code it was running didn't do anything crazy, wasn't even using the lights
and now i'm bummed i lost it lol
didn't have it saved locally
it plays a scream when it detects a big increase in light (x times above standard deviation)
idle owl
It's always a bummer losing code. I usually remember to save locally for a while and then slowly forget until I lose something again.
tulip sleet
@timber lion wow, sorry! I checked in a potential fix if you're interested in building the 2.x branch. I don't know for sure if it would fix it, but the safety feature is something that should be there anyway (don't create a new filesystem if you're in safe mode).
meager fog
@slender iron heya i haz an audio output Q
slender iron
shoot @meager fog !
meager fog
with the sine wave. it works, but how does audioio know the sample rate of the object i passed in
does it assume it is 1 second's worth
slender iron
digging in the code
timber lion
there's a frequency on the audio object that defaults to 8k IIRC
meager fog
yah but if i do this
sample = audioio.AudioOut(board.SPEAKER, sine_wave, frequency=4*SAMPLERATE)
it sounds the same :/
timber lion
yeah it was a little funky for me too but here's how i did arbitrary tone generation with mega demo
slender iron
yeah, I don't have the frequency exposed through the constructor
I was thinking I should 😃
slender iron
it gets a little weird with wav where we do try to get it from the file
@meager fog we have lots of methods that are a little too nice
meager fog
hmm sample.play(loop=True, frequency=SAMPLERATE) # keep playing the sample over and over
File "main.py", line 24, in <module>
TypeError: extra keyword arguments given
timber lion
hrm how do you paste code in discord?
i can't paste more than 2k characters it seems
slender iron
yeah, the constructor is special: https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython/blob/master/shared-bindings/audioio/AudioOut.c#L96
tulip sleet
@timber lion put it in between triple backquotes, like github
timber lion
if it's a C function it might not validate the keyword args
meager fog
(shrug) oki np - still not having frequency success when passing it into play()
tidal kiln
pastebin?
meager fog
@slender iron oh yeah thats it, i have to learn how to read the readthedocs
timber lion
anyways i make a 100 point sine wave and store it, along with the sample that's loaded to play that
meager fog
ok i will set up my example code to show it off
slender iron
no worries! its good to know what people expect to work
timber lion
then when i call start_tone i change the frequency of the sample based on the number of points in the sine wav and desired freq (like 440, 392, etc)
slender iron
filing an issue about arg checking now
tulip sleet
Yeah, you can say this too: `
a = audioio.AudioOut(board.SPEAKER, bytearray(160),foobar=20)
slender iron
good work @meager fog
meager fog
well, kinda good work. maybe time to takea break if i cant read 😛
idle owl
9 hours is more than enough to start melting brains.
slender iron
thats true @meager fog
tidal kiln
yah. don't blue smoke the gray stuff.
cunning crypt
That is definitely NOT a recommended way to earn the Sparky pin
meager fog
this is wortth it...
timber lion
here's a fun cpx and python trick.. play the wilhelm scream (or any wav) when there's a big increase in light, like if you hid it in a box of candy and open it 😃 https://photos.app.goo.gl/zS6HhskbH3L3lJOu1
meager fog
cat approves
timber lion
gist with the files if anyone is curious is here: https://gist.github.com/tdicola/acaecdf855cad75ff3e1a825381af685
hah yeah cat is not impressed by sound 😃
tidal kiln
or lack of candy
cunning crypt
Now that I have an actual, real Adafruit display I can confirm that the CP RGB library flips the Red and Blue channels on the ST7735R library, as written here: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_RGB_Display/issues/5
river quest
massive new guide going up now! https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-circuit-playground-express?view=all
tidal kiln
the blinka emoji kinda looks like the thumbs up emoji.
coincidence? 🤔
fringe trench
THE PLOT THICKENS!
manic glacierBOT
sick creek
@tidal kiln look like it want to bite you some coding knowledge and helping you to code
formal plover
Confirmation that all my boards have arrived.
solar whale
@formal plover Have fun!
formal plover
@solar whale thanks! Gotta get 2.0 flashed and we'll be ready to rock and roll
All the boards! Insert evil laugh here.
slender iron
great to hear @formal plover !
floral dagger
I've been working on a sort of side project using the PCA9685, and don't quite understand the use for the pwm function. I get the freq() and duty() functions, but that one escapes me. Can someone help me out with what it does?
slender iron
@floral dagger I think its so you can set the pulse length in absolute terms
how many microseconds for example
floral dagger
Thanks @slender iron So, do I have this right? It basically ignores the duty cycle and frequency, and just set an on/off duration for the pwm on absolute timings?
floral dagger
It's a bit confusing for sure. Would it be possible to add a basic on/off function to it? I can create it, but would probably need some help with the github stuff, and making sure it's all to spec.
tidal kiln
looks like just two different ways of setting the signal: pwm or duty
slender iron
why not just set the duty cycle to 0 for off?
tidal kiln
duty is probably like pwm with on=0
floral dagger
Oh sure, that works, but if you want to say, dim an LED to 50%, then turn it off, and back on at 50%, the user has to work all that out. It just seems more intuitive to say pwmdriver.turnOn(15) or something, and have that duty cycle persist.
floral dagger
that makes sense
slender iron
this driver needs some love: https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_CircuitPython_PCA9685/issues
floral dagger
btw....what I am working on is a demo for a friend of mine to show how to use circuit python with that module. The idea is that you select the options you want, and then it writes the initialization code below on update. It's just a sort of interactive demo so he can quickly see how the code interacts with the unit. It's still pretty early on, and there's a lot to add. If anyone knows a good code formatter to use that will colorize/hilight syntax, I'm all ears.
floral dagger
Also, this only works on ESP8266 modules via webrepl at the moment. I want to get it communicationg via com, but that may have to come later
floral dagger
ahhhh...awesome. Thanks @slender iron I was using one I found on google...prettifier or something, but it only seems to work about half the time.
Oh, and I forgot to mention, the project updates the ESP in real time, so you can see the lights change as updates happen
tidal kiln
browser
and it's probably something i did in settings
but i can't figure out how to bring it back
slender iron
I use the Mac app and its ok for me
tidal kiln
i did some muting a while back, but from what i can tell, it's all off now
slender iron
there is a name that I can't think of for the type of structured posts it makes
slender iron
@tulip sleet you rock! Your compiler investigations make circuitpython way better
and @solar whale is always so helpful on the forums. I went to check it and both questions had already been answered 😃
tulip sleet
@slender iron thank you, and you are writings tons of great code at great speed!
slender iron
haha, right 😛
sick creek
@slender iron is like circuitpython mind with rosie
slender iron
this usb packet stuff is pretty hacky
tulip sleet
do you think their impl is just buggy? Are you trying to figure out how to do CDC better now?
slender iron
I'm still on my sidequest of importing beagle logs into wireshark
I got the asf code responding to the first MSC request but then hanging after
wireshark will do SCSI decoding for me of the logs while total phase's software won't
tulip sleet
i noticed that sometimes if I just leave the REPL idle for several minutes it stops responding
total phase will do it if you pay way more $$; very annoying
sick creek
Fiddler is good tool too
tulip sleet
does fiddler do usb? I thought it was just network
sick creek
it is network but think if you compine both
slender iron
@tulip sleet yeah, I refuse to pay for it when wireshark is the goto packet analyzer IMO
and open source
sick creek
@tulip sleet hve you work a lot with wireshark
tulip sleet
yes - i used wrieshark a lot for low-level http debugging (before browser F12 was so good). Then I found it would do USB: even better.
slender iron
@idle owl did you see the CPX guide that @meager fog just posted?
sick creek
@tulip sleet so you could do test write delay stuff
idle owl
@slender iron I did! I saw it last night!
slender iron
if you have time and interest would you mind trying to convert hte examples to the library @idle owl ? https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_Learning_System_Guides/tree/master/Introducing_CircuitPlaygroundExpress
idle owl
@slender iron I'd love to!
timber lion
wow @tulip sleet I just had a CPX erase itself when plugging it in to my computer, no battery attached.. super weird! it's running the 2.0 release too
i wonder if there could be a condition with voltage fluctuating during the plug in?
and ouch i should have backed up the code on that one 😦
slender iron
@idle owl cool! how about forking that repo and adding them as alternative files in the same directory?
@timber lion sounds like we need to give you a 2.x branch build
timber lion
argh man bummer i wonder if atom has a hidden cache of files
idle owl
@slender iron So just call them something slightly different and upload them as such? Making sure I understand what you're saying.
slender iron
yup yup!
idle owl
Ok excellent!
slender iron
maybe just an extra _cpx
idle owl
I like it.
slender iron
thank you very much!
idle owl
@slender iron I know git clone, but wasn't there something you did differently to make it so it wasn't origin? Or am I thinking of a different step
slender iron
yeah git clone -o <name> <clone url>
idle owl
Thank you
slender iron
np
tulip sleet
@timber lion Sorry to hear! I have resorted to editing on the computer and doing cp -r ...;sync as a regular practice
timber lion
ah yeah it isn't too bad to recreate, yeah i'm going to do the same
super strange though that it wasn't a battery level thing this time
it took me half a second to plug in though so maybe that was making some power noise
i'll try to grab the latest 2.0 later and try it
2.0 branch that is
sick creek
if you can get it working you could do a video about it
idle owl
@slender iron It's funny that you asked me to do this. I was looking for something else and stumbled on that repo last night before the Guide was posted, and I was thinking that I should mention the library updates so they could be included.
slender iron
😃