Add a 4v4 Search and Destroy gamemode and replace Competitive with it.

[sacred lark]

I don't think we have any current map that works for the mode

[little birch]

Use the ones I listed no?

[sacred lark]

plus a mode like that functions with a "heavier" moveset, while WB is light and floaty

the issue is you gotta keep spawns as they are

and generally you want maps that provide "4 spawns" worth of space, kinda

Tribute is your closest since it's literally a tribute to Dust

[little birch]

Wait it's a tribute to dust?

[sacred lark]

but again, the map is effectively smaller cause WB is floaty

we can wall jump over things

[little birch]

that's fine

SnD doesn't have to be all tactical, just a defense vs offense

[sacred lark]

that's why it's called Tribute

loosely follows layout of Dust/Dust II

[little birch]

I mean if we have to play Tribute 24/7 for bomb mode, fine by me lowkey

And wall hopping could be interesting to defend

[sacred lark]

I feel like we'd need new maps specifically built with the mode in mind

[little birch]

Well why not?

[sacred lark]

deliberately avoiding wall jump issues, "slowing" players down

[little birch]

It would give this game more fame

[sacred lark]

not saying it's a bad thing

just that I don't think the current maps are probably the best

[little birch]

Oh no if anything wall jumping would be super interesting

[sacred lark]

we'd want new maps with the mode in mind from the get go for the best experience

what I mean is that we don't want wall jumps making the map too small

parkour wouldn't be cut out in the design

we'd just design around it, with it in mind

so the map would probably go a bit bigger than Tribute so you actually have more space to choose a site and plant, without meeting a player in 3 seconds

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it'd need its own server mode type I'd say

[little birch]

Well to be fair you have to meet players to get to a site

[sacred lark]

particularly since it's probably going to use its own pool of maps

[little birch]

Yeah replace comp with it

[sacred lark]

...yeah I guess if you wanted to keep space, you could replace the comp square

[little birch]

Also, doesn't Cyber Trib patch wall hopping

[sacred lark]

so you have BR, Classic, DEC, and this

Cyber is hated for the heavy use of invisible walls

it feels oppressive

[little birch]

Yes, I would rather be sentenced to life on tribute than play bouncy castles 24/7

[sacred lark]

but you can still wall jump to get shots in, just not to traverse

[little birch]

Does cyber have invis walls other than the wall hops?

[sacred lark]

but 4v4 would not be removed, it'd still have options in the classic listings

just wouldn't have its own main square in the mode select

cause at the end of the day, 4v4 is still "classic" style

classic is really just 4v4 or 8v8 depending on map size

really, maps like Zen Garden could be 4v4

[sacred lark]

pretty much every surface has invisible walls

[little birch]

I would like competitive more if it had more variety in maps

[sacred lark]

it's blinding if you would be able to see them

[little birch]

Like ofc, Zen Garden

[sacred lark]

I think the 4v4, if it was treated more like it's just classic but we're playing smaller maps with smaller teams, could be heaps more fun

and move some of the small maps

Zen Garden gets moved

Skull Island... maybe

[little birch]

they should just remove all the bouncy castle maps

[sacred lark]

the old Gold Mine can be there at the same time Gold Mine V2 is on 8v8

[little birch]

Dwarfs dungeon and Shipping crates is fine

[sacred lark]

ik what you mean by bouncy castle, but they're paintball obstacles

we call them the paintball maps

I find them too numerous

[little birch]

tomato tomato, but yeah

[little birch]

They should just rid them

they're so repetitive, and way too big for 4v4

[sacred lark]

once I am cleared on something by a particular dev, I plan to start making maps for 4v4 with their own themes

give it more than just quarry and ddungeon

[little birch]

It should be OG Gold Mine, Zen, Dungeon, and that one tiny shipping crate map

[sacred lark]

Hangar?

[little birch]

Yes

[sacred lark]

I think at least one paintball map is fine

[little birch]

Yeah

[sacred lark]

people like the sniper's only or sniper alley or something

it seems to be a very popular option

[little birch]

Yeah that one was fun

[little birch]

Yeah please do cuz we need some better 4v4 maps

I got a question, is making maps any harder than just using assets and placing them down?

cuz it seems easy and not a big exhausting thing to do

and ofc make it glitch proof

[sacred lark]

it's pretty much as easy as that... but you gotta make sure they are sized right, you don't have z-fighting (two surfaces overlapping to make a glitchy texture that spasms between which surface to show), and make the layout feel balanced

anyone can chuck stuff onto a project

but it takes some level of design to make it feel like a map that balances out

hardest part is probably getting the assets, cause they're paid assets

[little birch]

Cuz lowkey I want to contribute to game making but I can't code to save my life

[little birch]

true

[sacred lark]

at least for licensed, legal work like this

if you can design a floorplan/blueprint, that's like 80% of the job tbh

[spice oracle]

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[little birch]

So just make a good layout and it will be pretty solid

[sacred lark]

either joja or myself would likely be able to just go make the map off of the design, if it was at the right standard

and nobody would need to worry about assets, they'd still be basically doing all the contribution to make it an easy process to add

[little birch]

If I made a blank layout that was good, could I give it to yall to mapify and put it in WB?

[sacred lark]

I don't have many 4v4 ideas, but I considered Dwarf Mine (which would be cave-like, and possibly like the tunnels in Frontier, just not the red stone)

an oil rig, a construction site, UFO interior

[little birch]

that sounds cool

[sacred lark]

a market square, sorta castle-like... basically a tribute-ish map?

and I think that's all I had written down to look into

[little birch]

But what if made a blank layout for yall, could I get it implemented?

[sacred lark]

very likely, yes

[little birch]

aight bet

[sacred lark]

the more "open" it is, the harder it may be to do if I'm trying to figure out what works for cover

unless it's clearly meant to be trees or something

the more "room-like" it is, the easier it is to get the structure put together

doesn't mean please only make CQC indoor type maps

[spice oracle]

Ehem, plok... gen chat needs your attention

[little birch]

Wasn’t planning on it

[little birch]

working on one right now

will have the flow of de_nuke from CS with lots of interior focus but there is also an outside route for those who want it.

[forest ibex]

what ?

replace comp ?

as I read, it also feels like Valorant

but from what I know, it would be verry different to setup than the actual mode

it would need consistent 4v4 ppls, and for way more longer (depending on how you do)

maps are actually not good for this mode. it needs bigger maps like Tribute, and balanced like tribute

also ppls get banned of valo for leaving a game, so idk how you would do about that

and how would you do about who plays, it would be only restricted to players, right ?

otherwise ppls plays as guest and don't get banned if they left

it feels way too complicated to add (as in complicated to explain to devs), but also it feels that it is just being a copy

I like WB as how it is, with special 4v4 and 8v8 mods we don't really find anywhere else

otherwise it have no point, just play CS or Valo...

[little birch]

Oh yeah removing paintball maps was what I had in mind

[sacred lark]

right, well any designs can be posted to #asset-discussion where development of stuff happens

[little birch]

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