#War Brokers needs this | Game Leaderboards

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spark mist
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You can enquire me about this.

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players like me and a few others are trying to promote comp

orchid ocean
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If y’all don't WB to die soon then you developers MUST come up with something the community wants.
well said

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are you saying you represent the whole community though?

spark mist
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😆 No i am not

orchid ocean
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it's fine to represent what you believe

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just be careful not to try speaking for everyone

spark mist
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I represent the competitive players

orchid ocean
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right... refer to above

spark mist
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Okay

orchid ocean
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you can speak only for yourself

spark mist
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oh mb

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but can you please comment on my suggestion 🙏

orchid ocean
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the competitive side is also a minority, so while it's nice to accommodate for them it should never be done at detriment to the 99%

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because that's what actually hurts the game

spark mist
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Ahhh

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are these leaderboards hard to add?

orchid ocean
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I think someone analysed where Halo took competitive players for all feedback and the game got worse and worse to enjoy

spark mist
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may i ask

orchid ocean
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not sure, have yet to read whole thing

spark mist
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okay sir

orchid ocean
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I'm just putting some warnings out

spark mist
orchid ocean
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"On the off-chance that any developers may be watching this video, I put forth a simple proposition: stop listening to competitive players quite so much. Stop designing your games around the experience of pro players."

The beginning of a video on the matter. I will not post it as I cannot guarantee there is no language.

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spark mist
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Okay

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but think

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if you add lb's it will benefit pros

hexed gorge
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Yes
The minority. And that's what he said

orchid ocean
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The core of the message is that in chasing what pros want, you can end up making the game unfun, hard to get into, unbalanced, etc. to the majority.

spark mist
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it'll benfit pros but

orchid ocean
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This is a feature for the minority, so it just has to be carefully handled.

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Yes

spark mist
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normal people can just play

orchid ocean
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But if it helps 1% and hurts 99%

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ok here's an analogy

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let's say we have 10,000 players

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only about 200 - 300 online at once

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of those 10,000 players you have the 1% (100 players)

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we make 100 players happy

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the feature is fine for about half of the playerbase

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they don't care

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and then the remaining 49% or so get annoyed by the feature

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and start to play less

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we now are annoying 4,900 players

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and potentially losing 4,900 players

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just to make 100 players happy

spark mist
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wait wdym play less

orchid ocean
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features have to be carefully balanced to cater to the whole playerbase, because yes it is nice to make the 1% happy, but a wrong choice actually hurts the game a LOT

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as in they get annoyed

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stop playing every day to once a week

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then once a month

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then they just can't put up with it and quit

spark mist
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why\

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what would make it less playable

orchid ocean
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back to your suggestion

please explain why the leaderboard should be added, what kind of benefits it provides, etc.

spark mist
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okay so

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lb's should be added\

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imo

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cuz

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waiiit

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first

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plague

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is it hard to code something like this in?

orchid ocean
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more than you probably think

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it can look simple but take over a week to actually program

hexed gorge
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Ah yes. The development cost should be covered by the gains of the addition.

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Traffic/players.

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Be added value.

spark mist
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I was expecting like 1 month

orchid ocean
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if you look at actually testing and debugging, then yes easily

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setting up an initial thing, probably a week

hexed gorge
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Costs of a week is mroe than you initially think with time. If only I could now and then get a developer do a task for me for a week. It is scattered along longer time period.

orchid ocean
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I'm still curious on the why though

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the devs know best what would and would not be simple

hexed gorge
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AND, the cost os more than ones hourly tax.

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While knowing nothing about such database remodelling work/ new stats page that follows frequent data changes, I'll make a crude reference to SQL. Pomp would be more proficient to tell what it actually could take.

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spark mist
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lol

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It would be good cuz it actually will promote players into playing the game more and being hgh on the lb

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@orchid ocean

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bruh no one?

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theres actually a lot of stuff i want in wb

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but developers lazy

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spark mist
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wdym

mighty karma
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Am I understanding you correctly in that you are looking for a ranking system of some sort?

spark mist
mighty karma
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Ok, do you have a mockup?

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Or a concept of how it should look/function?

spark mist
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yes

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i do

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but im not et

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vet

mighty karma
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DM me

mighty karma
# hexed gorge While knowing nothing about such database remodelling work/ new stats page that ...

Data-wise it's not an issue. Same sort of processing as the ELO percentile calcs, just expanded to include more factors (kills, whatever else is included in the calculation). From a SQL side it just takes a trigger for those events to automatically adjust those numbers. Depending on how the DB is set up, 30k kill triggers/day isn't that unreasonable processing power-wise. If anything it can tie into the ELO calc logic as a secondary output.

spark mist
mighty karma
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for @spark mist

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spark mist
mighty karma
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Is that a fixed amount?

spark mist
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and thats like the points sytem

spark mist
mighty karma
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You realize that we have this already, right?

spark mist
mighty karma
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Correct

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which is exactly what you are proposing

spark mist
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this i obviously mean is different

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its points

mighty karma
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just scaled by whatever point amount

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which is equal to kills x points per kill

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so if it's say 1 point per kill, you're just displaying kills while taking an unnecessary extra step

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I'm not seeing a reason for this

spark mist
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im proposing that this lb should be put into t he GAME

mighty karma
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and I'm countering by saying it already has been

spark mist
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hm alr then

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guess this is a no

mighty karma
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it's like proposing that your bank account statement be shown in a different currency – sure, you're seeing different numbers, but it's the same value

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essentially just whatever the actual number is multiplied by a given exchange rate