Discussing ways to Unlock YouTube/ Twitch Content Creator Skin.

[thick bay]

I believe that the following must be met to get the YouTuber Skin.

• 500+ Subscribers
• Have 3+ WB Related Videos That Have 300+ Views or 3 Streams that have 200+ Views
• Channel must be All Age Friendly
• Content Creator Must Be On The WB Discord. (not banned)

[remote karma]

I propose to use this suggestion for everyone that has ideas.

If you have any good ideas on how someone can get a YT or Twitch skin, I'd love to hear them. The current program is currently on hold. I am a big supporter of finally making these skins available to everyone who deserves it. I hope that with some good ideas I can maybe develop a nice new concept.

Small note: This is not a promise that it will eventually happen, but I will do my best.

[thick bay]

Maybe change the text on the back of the YouTube Outfit to "Creator" instead of "Streamer".

Discussing Possible Requirements For YouTube/ Twitch Content Creator Skin.

[remote karma]

Discussing ways to unluck YouTube/ Twitch Content Creator Skin.

[thick bay]

Discussing ways to Unlock YouTube/ Twitch Content Creator Skin.

😅

[remote karma]

Have change the title, because maybe there are other ways than making "requirements".

Something like contests and such.

[thick bay]

Hmm. The contests would have to be pretty strict. I don't know... 🤔

[remote karma]

In my opinion. I like the idea to keep the threshold low so everyone will be able to deserve/win it. But it should be balanced with its rarity.

Something that encourage many in the community to make video's or start streaming.

[thick bay]

I can understand that. I would love if it was rare but still less rare than the katana.

[remote karma]

This is just what is in my mind. Different ideas are also welcome. Nothing is a bad idea in this case. If I see something good, I will make notes and I'll try to get those ideas together.

[thick bay]

There could always be something like if you meet these requirements (x) you can get the skin guarenteed, but you can also win it in a competition.

[remote karma]

That's also not a bad idea

Giving it multiple ways.

[frosty rune]

Some minimum total number of hours streamed. Some minimum total number of YT views of WB videos.

[thick bay]

that could work.

[thick bay]

Maybe there is some way you could make an activity using the newly reinstated Voice Channels.

[weak ember]

Wonder where those numbers came from

Why would u expect ppl to have 500 subs

But have less than 300 views for vids

Why would u have more subs than views per vid?

[thick bay]

I'm thinking about multiple 300+ vids. "Have 3+ WB Related Videos That Have 300+ Views"
For example:
Vid 1: 300 Views
Vid 2: 300 Views
Vid 3: 300 Views

[frosty rune]

I don't think I would have a minimum number of subscribers. Just total views of all WB videos. Something kind of high.

[thick bay]

like 1k?

[frosty rune]

IDK. I have over 100,000 but I have been at it for 5 yrs.

[thick bay]

True, but I have more subs. 🤷‍♂️

I get your point though.

[frosty rune]

I would have to do more research before I would toss out a number.

[weak ember]

U should be getting more views then subs, every single video

Subscribers get notofied when u post

[thick bay]

Yeah, absolutely. Those were just some preliminary numbers. I will definitely revise them. 👍

[frosty rune]

I gain and lose subs with every video.

[thick bay]

I lose people too but it's usually a net gain.

Agreed.

👍

[remote karma]

I think, If we using numbers, may it be by views or may it be by subs. It should be challenging but possible to reach for everyone. Also for those who have less experience making content but feel encouraged to make them to deserve a skin.

[weak ember]

I dont like the skin idea in general. I feel like it woulf encourage people to make videos just to grind views and subs, instrad of actually making goof content. It will literally be anothrt meaningless number sysetem like elo.

[remote karma]

You don't like the skin idea? Or do you mean the idea of deserve it by views/subs?

[weak ember]

I dont like a skin exclusive to youtubers

Based off of views and subs

[cerulean lance]

There is also time viewed, instead of sheer number of views. Some of mine have had a whole bunch of views but terrible retention.

[remote karma]

How about video contests?

Some system where views/subs doesn't really count?

[weak ember]

^

Quality over quantity

There r bangers out there with no views

There are also videos that do not deserve the views they get

[remote karma]

How would a "winning video contest" look like?

[weak ember]

Its hard ti determine

Which is why i dont like this idea

[cerulean lance]

I think youtube metrics are probably more objective than a contest, even if there are some problems with the numbers.

[weak ember]

I think that the objrctivity isnt enough to have rewards

[remote karma]

We can consider multiple ways to get it. So feel free to brainstorm about it.

[cerulean lance]

I don't see problems with there being a large amount of bad content being created. People usually get better with time and have to start somewhere. The better stuff usually gets filtered up (though not always). I think an incentive for more people to start making videos is good. It could be a combination of metrics (views, likes, hours) to try to filter a bit better.

[weak ember]

But because of the utube algorithm, u can churn out bad content and get loads of subs, while u can make time consuming good content and get no subs.

[cerulean lance]

I don't think subs is a good metric alone. Many WB content creators with high subs are also making non-WB content. That said, if they have high subs and are making WB content, it is good for WB. And like I wrote, you can use a combination of metrics to better filter.

But that said, I think you are worrying too much about people getting the skin who you might not think deserve it. It's just a skin. If some people happen to get it by making a whole bunch of bad videos, it's not that big a deal. Effort can be rewarded as well as success.

[frosty rune]

redum hit on a reason I don't think subs is a good idea. We are looking for WB content, and not a guy who has only a bunch of other games. I am fine if they make videos of other games too. We need to give the reward to the ones that have a lot of WB views. Those views might be people who have never heard of the game.

[thick bay]

I can agree with not a lot of other games.

[thick bay]

With shorts sure. But not really with long form content.

Overall, I like the idea of multiple ways to get the skin.

[cerulean lance]

What do you mean by that?

[thick bay]

The content creator can't be someone that bounces from game to game and just happens to do a WB video. There are many creators that do this, and have tons of subs and views.

Same thing with Streamers

[frosty rune]

I don't care if the guy has a lot of videos of other games. What I meant was if he has 300 subs of peole watching his Krunker videos, I don't think he gets the YT skin until he has some WB vids with views.

[thick bay]

Exactly. It can't just be a one WB vid either.

Can we all agree though that there should be many different ways to get the skin? ie. through contests, requirements...

[cerulean lance]

I was basically typing that out. A person's other content is not relevevant. Only their WB content, and whatever criteria are decided on for them specifically.

[inner iris]

make a vote?

[frosty rune]

I would be happy if a guy has a broad YT audience. He could bring in new players with the videos. same with streamers.

[inner iris]

have the community vote on them

the better the videos the more likely

[thick bay]

A vote could be too biased. maybe?

[frosty rune]

Yes

[cerulean lance]

Risks being a popularilty contest.

[inner iris]

it already is

[thick bay]

It should be based upon what this creator contributed. What did he do to promote the game in a good light and how good his content is.

[frosty rune]

Right

[inner iris]

view and subs and time watched is popularilty

how good his content again depends who watches

[thick bay]

The mods could evaluate a submission.

[cerulean lance]

A personal popularity contest and not a content one.

[frosty rune]

I think what was meant was the person is popular on Discord.

[inner iris]

even the mods are biased

can be anyway

[thick bay]

True.

[inner iris]

if you evaluate you need guidelines for it

[frosty rune]

We work at not being biased. We have to treat everyone the same. That goes with votes for video too.

[thick bay]

How about mods evaluate the channel and if they don't, pass it to be voted upon by the community?
If the mods give it the green light there is then no need for the community to vote.

[inner iris]

as is expected

im not pointing at people

[inner iris]

while i agree with this

[thick bay]

There could also be some basic requirements for the mods to look the channel over so people don't just spam.

[inner iris]

its easy to see that some people wouldn't be given the green light and they might be spicy about it

[thick bay]

wdym?

[inner iris]

take cool calm

he streams but says blacklisted words

[cerulean lance]

I trust the mods more than the community to be objective. I still think a combination of youtube/twitch metrics would be most objective. You could have a metrics minimum standard followed by a mod evaluation of those that meet the criteria.

[thick bay]

yeah.

[inner iris]

wolf hunter also had a youtube channel did he not?

but he was banned?

[thick bay]

How about only Mods that have a YT channel can pass the evaluation?

[inner iris]

which is...

one

[thick bay]

Good Point.

[inner iris]

i trust the mods

[inner iris]

at davnice

[thick bay]

Alright so far we have:

• Minimum Requirements Met = Send To Mods To Green Light
• Mods Look Over and determine

Can we all agree with this?

[cerulean lance]

Do the mods want this extra work?

[frosty rune]

Only DV does

[inner iris]

adding the skin in all contexts it would take the work

[thick bay]

Maybe there could be like a veteran style voting in system where once you're in you can take part in the vote.

[inner iris]

voting might not be the best

[thick bay]

Content Creators who already have the skin can evaluate the incoming requests and give insight to the mods but the mods have final say??

Maybe?

[inner iris]

with mods you have fixed reasons

like there is a bar you have to reach

[cerulean lance]

What would the mods be evaluating? Just red flags/unacceptable things?

[thick bay]

That and quality of content

[inner iris]

inputting a request for channel eval, so you can be given the skin sounds pretty clean

[cerulean lance]

That is a very subjective thing to measure.

[inner iris]

quality of content is a little vague but that aspect falls to the evaluators

[frosty rune]

I would like that bar would be low.

[thick bay]

I trust the mods over any body else when it comes to bias. Who else would you want to evaluate it? I wouldn't want the greater community to.

[hot crescent]

I honestly don't see too much point in a content creator skin, once you start making videos or streaming and a lot of people see you play, your skin becomes semi-iconic

[cerulean lance]

It's not just bias. What is a "quality video" and what isn't. Only if it is really bad is it clear.

I agree with Tomb Stone's (love that name) relatively low bar comment.

[inner iris]

#📢announcements message

[hot crescent]

?

[frosty rune]

What I mean by low bar on the quality of content is this. The video should be a decently clear, not have watermarks of the recording software, good sound, etc. Just stuff like that. Just pleasant to watch.

[thick bay]

No watermarks is a good point. There are way too many people with those.

[frosty rune]

I was very, very critical of that program.

[inner iris]

asking in the VC bout the legendary streamer skin shown in the tier three incentives

[thick bay]

I love this discussion but I have to go. Please ping me if there are any developments.

[inner iris]

wondering if that was already developed

[frosty rune]

Tossed in file 13. Starting new.

I've got to go too. Lots of work to get finished today.

[hot crescent]

lol

[umbral dragon]

i have a YT channel with 250k subs, but our daily views are only about 2000, so subs and views are not relative to each other, we got a lot of subs when we had a short go over 100 million views. anyways, on youtube they are big on watch hours, so a 30sec short getting viewed millions of times is still better than a 10 minute video at 2000 views. It's pretty hard to put your finger on certain parameters to measure success, but watch hours is a really good analytic to watch and measure if a person is successful. to be monetized on YT you have to be 6 months old, have 1000 subs and 1000 watch hours, so that is the parameters YT uses to deem successful channels.

My daughter is sniperess, she has toyed with an idea of starting a gaming channel for WB, she's a 14 year old girl and fairly good so she's got potential to make a good gaming channel, especially since we already have professional editing softward and stuff, so if you're looking to get more people streaming and stuff, we'd love to get involved, or at least try to help the best we can

[thick bay]

Dm me this channel holy cow.

[cerulean lance]

I have seen the channel. You would be shocked what it is for.

[thick bay]

DM me pls

[cerulean lance]

No. That is for No Mercy to reveal if they wish.

[thick bay]

ahh mk

[umbral dragon]

its a farming channel

we are farmers in iowa, todd family farm is the channel name

[thick bay]

oh.

[umbral dragon]

so we don't know a lot about the gaming side of youtube but we know a lot about youtube and producing videos, we do manage to pull about 500 a month in revenue

[thick bay]

Nice. (for the second part)

[cerulean lance]

Like I have written, I see these skins as more of an incentive for players to try and create content and have shown some not too easy, but not really hard to achieve level of success at it. But I can also appreciate the perspective of some that think it should be more exclusive and reward higher levels of success.

I have a rough idea for a simple 2 tier system that could potentially satisfy both:

Tier 1: The two existing skins in question given out, as I described, as an incentive for people to create and to have achieved some moderate level of success as measured by some determined set of metrics and the channel/creator reviewed by at least one mod to make sure it meets some predetermined set of standards. Mostly a lot of what has been discussed above,, but keeping the approval criteria moderate.

Tier 2: One or two new skins created to be given to those whose content is seen to have made some significant over aand above contribution to the game over some period of time. Eligibility would be to have already received one of the tier 1 skins. Nominations would be at the complete discretion of any mod who would put it to a mod vote (x number of mods required to vote yes for approval). How each mod perceives "significant contribution above and beyond" would be subjective, and that is fine.

My idea for the tier 2 skin is an Oscar Statue Skin (head to toe straight gold). Nothing (same statue regardless of content medium) , or "Streamer" and "Creator" could be written on it to distinguish. Just one idea.

[cerulean lance]

I laughed a little when you responded "holy cow".

[umbral dragon]

lol, our 100 million view short is literally me stabbing a cow, so the irony is crazy

[umbral dragon]

when i first saw the suggestion i immediately thought it would be nice to have the logo of whatever you stream on as a part of your character. the youtube playbutton could be incorporated some way, keeping it simple, or the twitch icon, or even the facebook icon, because facebook reels are getting pretty lucrative for some streamers

[thick bay]

Nice Idea

[cerulean lance]

You might want to edit the post revealing the Farm's name and Sniperess'. I visited your channel and you have those personal intro videos which is revealing personal information and that is against the WB Discord rules.

[umbral dragon]

youtube has the playbutton and twitch has their chatbox with eyes, named glitch. simply incorporating something like that into a creators character might be easy to do

[thick bay]

Agreed.

[cerulean lance]

I like the idea. Not sure if the copyright would allow the logo use.

It might.

[dry spade]

That's already done :)

[umbral dragon]

i didn't realize that

[dry spade]

https://war-brokers.fandom.com/wiki/Streamer_Outfit

The twitch logo with WB in it and the YouTube logo for the red sweater

[thick bay]

Perhaps tier 2 could be the logo of the YouTube/Twitch Channel.

[cerulean lance]

The details of the skin are completely open. I thought a solid gold skin was simple and easy, but any variation on that or anything completely different is possible. I was more focused on how to decide how to give the tier 2.

[wooden pendant]

or if its someone who is big in the wb community and makes videos and streams a lot, the devs could just give an appreciation skin, instead of a set goal that ppl want to grind for

[thick bay]

Like the top 2 YouTubers and Twitch Streamers. (determined by a lot of different ways)

[wooden pendant]

and also a big and positive impact on wb community, like Ned Stone and Panzer come to mind

and a few others

[thick bay]

@wooden pendant That could tie into a point made previously about a popularity contest.

It would be very biased.

[wooden pendant]

not exactly

it would be good biases

and also the devs decide, so they can see who has made good impacts on the community

[thick bay]

Perhaps. But the person must be active. They can't have BEEN a good creator and just stopped.

[wooden pendant]

ofc most ppl who made good impacts r popular so it is kinda a popularity contest

[thick bay]

Which is not what we need.

[wooden pendant]

do they have to be active a lot

[wooden pendant]

why

[thick bay]

It would get too out of hand.

[wooden pendant]

they arent doing it to get popular, they just are

[wooden pendant]

doubt it

[thick bay]

What do you think redrum?

[wooden pendant]

it could also be a sign of appreciation for wht you've done, like a guy who used to be active and retired streaming bcz of life

[cerulean lance]

That is sort of the spirit of my tier 2 idea. It would sort of at the discretion of the mods. The devs deciding to give it out at their discretion I think would fine. Part of my idea was tier 1 as eligibility, but it isn't necessary.

[wooden pendant]

nice hat

[cerulean lance]

One idea I had for tier 2 was that if you ask to be evaluated, you get disqualified.

It has to be the mods (or devs) idea.

[thick bay]

Yes, I like the evaluation idea.

I like:

• The mods/devs can notice you trying hard and give it to you. (Honorary)
  or
• You can apply for the skin. (use redrum's proposed tier system)
  • The requirements for this could vary
  • Mods would look over your channel

I don't want any kind of Community Vote.

DaVince has alot to review 😅

[celest crest]

oh dang it, not this thing again

[cerulean lance]

My idea sort had both those ideas
Tier 1 skin: meet minimum requirements, apply and mod(s) check for minimum standards
Tier 2 skin: mods/devs notice some greater contribution and give it to you
..but yeah, both could be applied just using one set of skins. That said if the tier 1 requirements are set up the way I was thinking, anyone "trying hard" for a while would likely meet the requirements to apply anyways.

[remote karma]

I read quite a few good points that are mainly about a tier or voting system, I would certainly like to think about those. But I wonder, can we do something that does not include a tier or vote system? I'm very curious if anyone can come up with a completely outside-of-the-box idea, that is separate from the suggestions already mentioned.

[dry spade]

How about a system similar to the Wiki-Katana is given out:
The possibility is there, that you get it when you actively contribute,
but nothing promised.
Eligibility is measures objectively by the community staff (may include all moderators for a wider range of opinions).

The "requirements" (or rather the checklist of what needs to be fulfilled) should be kept private (same way the Wiki staff does which is also the reason why I did 👎 )
to not just aim on certain things like users do here for veteran-ship and the 90 days of minimum time staying in the server.

manual assigned ofc, not via codes or so to ensure it is not getting leaked

on weird code game cheat websites

To not let the users walk in complete fog, I suggest a rough description of what would be good to be reached as content creator, similar to ?veteran.

[dry spade]

A (semi-)public voting system is not really expedient if you want it that way. Either existing lets call them approved content creators vote, or the staff. Ensuring no "pls vote for me" or similar, the privacy is necessary.

[zenith solar]

I mean, what sort of numbers are we even expecting here? How many creators are actively making WB-related content that would be eligible? If it's under a certain amount it seems a little unreasonable to have it be public.

I do like what Nandy was saying about making it similar to the way the katana was handled; for stuff like this it might work better.

[remote karma]

I also agree with the fact that the current amount of actual creators in this community is too small to work with numbers. I feel that it is also very important to look at the person, the quality, consistency, dedication and originality, regardless of the number of viewers or subscribers. Someone can make good gameplay videos, and someone else might be very good at making instructional videos. Originality, consistency and dedication also apply to Twitch streamers. If someone makes a sincere effort to create good content for the community consistently, it should be rewarded/recognised, regardless of channel numbers.

[thick bay]

Yeah.

[wooden pendant]

u called?

[weak ember]

To sum it up: this is just a way to further boost creators ego.

[dry spade]

*a creators

[remote karma]

Too bad this is your line of thinking. If you read carefully, I am actually looking for a way to make this attractive to everyone, regardless of experience. Also intended for those who are less experienced in creating content and still want to take on a challenge to earn a skin.

[weak ember]

^

[weak ember]

I know you mean well. I just dont think there should be incentives to creat content. Making good content and getting rewarded for it by views is incentive enough

[inner iris]

Seeing as it doesn’t happen more, that does not appear to be the case

[weak ember]

Its because less people play the game

[inner iris]

As such to compensate we can show appreciation or encouragement to content creators with these skins

And as they create more content they can attract more people to the game

Or keep people playing

[weak ember]

Imo, we shouldnt encourage the attitude to make content for clout. Content creators should make content because the game is their passion, not for skins

I think that if planned well

This system could work

But givin the past decision makings by the community, i an pessimidtic

[dry spade]

That*s why I suggested to keep the specific "requirements" to get such a skin secret, staff only.

Similar to vet

[dry spade]

^

[thick bay]

Perhaps there could be something that could use the new "linked role" feature within discord.

Like maybe there could be a role called "Dedicated Content Creator" or something like that.

Heck, I'm just going to make another suggestion about that.

[remote karma]

I have to take a good look at that feature and see if we can use that for the creators program. We're at the final stages of finishing this new program so please be patient. Thanks for the heads up about the new feature.

[thick bay]

Glad to see that you're almost finished. No problem.

[zenith solar]

Might be a way to set it up to automatically give the steam role if you own it (and steam is linked to your profile)

[inner iris]

Can we not do this??

Or at least add a way to circumnavigate

[zenith solar]

My brain's not braining right now, could you please elaborate?

[inner iris]

I have some email issues that lead to funky problems so if this was not the only path to steam roles and I had an option to go around the pre-determined path

My war broker’s account is set to my sisters email but connected to my steam account which uses my email which my discord uses which is connected to a war brokers account that I don’t use any more

[remote karma]

Not sure if that works. I don't exactly understand how those requirements can be set up, but it need to see if you are actually a WB steam owner. And not just a steam user with a steam account.

[dry spade]

You can unlink the Discord ID from the stats page and link it again with your current email.

[dry spade]

if you still have troubles with your account

A 2nd backend man just for account issues when?

[inner iris]

It won’t work

The button does nothing

I go to the stats site and it refuses to let me unlink the stats

[dry spade]

Zorko dev when?

[zenith solar]

Honestly I'd go for that mostly to be able to add more realism to aircraft (and aircraft-related weapons, *ahem* homing *ahem*)

[inner iris]

I just want the mini gun to burrt more

[thick bay]

Thank goodness. I really would love moving flaps and elevators

and a terrain terrain pull up pull up alarm

😏

[inner iris]

Landing ability??

[zenith solar]

Soft-locked borders (without annoying auto-kill triggers)? A HUD that shows actually useful stuff? Fiiiiiinally getting around to adding a proper A-10 (no it's not dead)?

[thick bay]

maybe make a new suggestion.