Implosion Grenade Feedback

[tranquil pendant]

We are going to be having an update for the game on Feb 1st. In that update we plan on adding an implosion grenade. You might ask, "What the heck is an implosion grenade?". Well it is similar to a concussion grenade except instead of blowing you away from the grenade it sucks you towards it. Such a grenade is useful for pulling people out of corners as well as parkour tricks. Before we released it though I wanted to get players feedback on such a grenade.

Concussion Grenade:

• Shakes the screen for people near the explosion.
• Blows people away from the grenade.
• Causes light damage.
• Creates a bright flash.
• Can be thrown quickly at high velocity compared to the fragmentation grenade.

Implosion Grenade:

• Will not shake the screen.
• Sucks people towards the grenade.
• Will cause no damage.
• Will not create a flash.
• Unknown yet at what speed it can be thrown.
• You press fire to throw it, then fire again to detonate it.

[fleet crag]

I think you got the date wrong

Wens 25 is tmr just so no one gets confused

Seems like a really cool grenade!! I can’t wait. I think it should be thrown at normal grenade speed. And I can’t wait to hopefully use it! This’ll be good for stopping spawn campers and other annoying ppl that hide places.

[serene trellis]

Can you make it so that the implosion grenade would only work at short distances, say 10-15 meters? It would be annoying for someone to use the grenade, throw it from a far away distance, and suck someone toward it, possibly making the unfortunate player an open target.

[surreal sonnet]

I think it should shake the screen somewhat in the opposite direction that the implosion is from you and cause your screen to go dark around the edges, like you’re blacking out

[fleet crag]

Yes.

Or have a warning msg when one is coming towards you.

[surreal sonnet]

That’s the goal, though

[fleet crag]

Yeah.

It should be at same distances as normal grenade.

[surreal sonnet]

Also, it should be thrown slightly faster than the frag grenade and not implode on impact

[surreal sonnet]

I disagree with this

[fleet crag]

Ok

[surreal sonnet]

This would ruin the element of surprise

[fleet crag]

Yeah. I agree with u

[surreal sonnet]

You can hear it when it’s nearby if you play with sound, since grenades bounce and “clink”

[fleet crag]

Yes

[serene trellis]

Maybe a little bit slower than the frag grenade but faster than the regular grenade to give any viligent players time to run

[surreal sonnet]

The regular grenade is the frag grenade?…

[fleet crag]

Normal made gives time to run rough

Also I don’t play with sound and I have enough time to run

[serene trellis]

Yea, makes sense

[fleet crag]

: )

[main schooner]

is this my idea?

[fleet crag]

No?

[surreal sonnet]

Make it take 7 seconds to detonate so it can travel further, but still make it cookable

[main schooner]

i suggested this 1 hour ago

oop on the 24th

[surreal sonnet]

This is not the same

[main schooner]

ok

[fleet crag]

It’s not this has been in the works for a while

[main schooner]

oh no damage

[serene trellis]

Maybe make this grenade only work for 10 seconds?

[main schooner]

yeah

tahts a good timeframe

[fleet crag]

Not bad idea. Yeah

[main schooner]

tahts

how powerful would the implosion be?

[fleet crag]

Pulls everyone within 10 m in

On enemy team

Maybe also on your team…

Is what I think

[serene trellis]

Please no friendly fire

[fleet crag]

Yeah. Prob bad idea

[main schooner]

nah, friendly fire, otherwise it be breaking the laws of physics bruh

[fleet crag]

No

[serene trellis]

No

[main schooner]

no?

okey

[fleet crag]

I agrée with alpha here

[main schooner]

dokey

:(

ok

[fleet crag]

You can suggest it. I just don’t think it would be best. But idk

[tranquil pendant]

I forgot to mention that you press fire to throw it, then press fire again to detonate it. So it does not detonate on impact.

[serene trellis]

That's nice

[fleet crag]

Ooo. Special. That is cool

[main schooner]

smart

[fleet crag]

That’s very nice

[serene trellis]

Good for scaring players and still making them fall victim to the trap

[main schooner]

would it detonate when u switch weapons, or wud u have to go back to it

[fleet crag]

@tranquil pendant may want to clear this up

[main schooner]

and click

[main schooner]

haha yeah

is it today?

or no

[fleet crag]

Today 24

[main schooner]

not where i am

[fleet crag]

Ah cool

[main schooner]

oop

lol

sooo

tomorrow?

[fleet crag]

Hey d’avinée

Darn autocorrect

[scenic flicker]

What if you switch weapons after throwing it? Will it stay active until you detonate? Or will it implode after a certain amount of time automatically?

[main schooner]

yeah what he said

[serene trellis]

I still remember that you joked about the beret yesterday

Your "About Me" says "It’s so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don’t say it."

[fleet crag]

Lol

[serene trellis]

God I need food

[marble trail]

Me with AK after using implosion grenade: My time to shine

[scenic flicker]

Yes, im happy you get the joke. We can talk about it in a different channel so Joja will be able to read feedback and questions😅

I dont want my question to be drowned

[serene trellis]

K

[frozen ocean]

Parkour helping your friends up places. I think friendly fire would be a fun concept.

[main schooner]

ikr?

[main schooner]

i was lookin at that like "is... is that a nickname"?

[surreal sonnet]

Would it simply pull you t the centrifuge at which the grenade detonated or would it fling you past at high speeds?

[frozen ocean]

It is now

[frozen ocean]

^

[main schooner]

lol

[surreal sonnet]

d’Avinée

I love it

[main schooner]

lol

YES!

perfect

new status

[surreal sonnet]

Have a mod change your name

[scenic flicker]

^^ Another question to add. Can it be destroyed? If yes, what will happen if you do?

[crude marlin]

I'm excited for this new grenade

[scenic flicker]

Same, it sounds interesting.

[main schooner]

lol

[fleet crag]

Same

[main schooner]

yo

drat

wb dont allow those letters

d’Avinée

[surreal sonnet]

Dang works too

[fleet crag]

They r French

[surreal sonnet]

I saw the original message in my notifications

[surreal sonnet]

Really?

That’s crazy

[crude marlin]

Crazy French

[surreal sonnet]

What is d’avinée, anyways? I know l’avenir is the future

So is it if futured? That doesn’t make sense

But based on my French knowledge, it should be

[fleet crag]

Ik

[fleet crag]

Im not accually sure lol

It’s def not futured lol

It’s a completely new word

Anyway this is off topic

[neon tendon]

An interesting quality of life feature that comes to mind; it would be interesting to see the implosion grenade suck in things like grenades (thrown and from GL), or even potentially the smoke from smoke grenades.

[main schooner]

slurp

[surreal sonnet]

Would it work in bodies? That would be cool

[grim ivy]

i foresee this being used mostly as a turbo.... throw the grenade... run to it, detonate, it sucks you forward, throw another one, detonate, sucks you forward and so on.

[tranquil pendant]

What would you prefer?

[tranquil pendant]

Most likely not friendly fire so people do not troll other people on their own team.

[tranquil pendant]

Straight towards the center but a sling shot could be interesting.

[surreal sonnet]

Yes

[tranquil pendant]

Currently no. Should it be able to be destroyed?

[surreal sonnet]

I'm so glad I decided to get more involved in the community lately

It's been a blast

[surreal sonnet]

I would say if an enemy shoots it, it implodes early, but not as strong

[tranquil pendant]

hrmmm. Possible.

[surreal sonnet]

That's my opinion

[neon tendon]

Would the red part be a blinking light to alert players there is an implosion grenade on the ground?

A light like that seen on the antidotes from Halloween 2021

[surreal sonnet]

Ooh

That would be cool

And helpful for players who play without sound

[neon tendon]

because it looks like it could be supported

I hate to say it, but I won't be using this in normal ways. I'll be looking for ways to play basketball with it

[main schooner]

indeed. basketball with lethal weapons. i wonder if they will introduce this into the school curriculum? "okay kids, today we will be playing implosion grenade basketball"!

[frozen ocean]

*non-lethal

[surreal sonnet]

Until the slingshot feature is implemented and it yeets little Timmy into a wall at 417 km/h

[rigid cloak]

Would this be able to move other grenades?

[neon tendon]

^

in response to:

An interesting quality of life feature that comes to mind; it would be interesting to see the implosion grenade suck in things like grenades (thrown and from GL), or even potentially the smoke from smoke grenades.

[rigid cloak]

Ah

And I'm assuming this wouldn't affect vehicles

[neon tendon]

excellent question, I don't think it's been discussed over

I would assume they would be "too heavy" to be affected

[rigid cloak]

Flying apcs are the future!

[unkempt garden]

No other grenades can be destroyed. I don't see why this should be different.

[neon tendon]

trip mines can

and from what we understand of the implosion nades so far, they don't run off a timer/fuse but sit until detonated

[unkempt garden]

Ah - I thought they would work like frags with a timer.

[neon tendon]

You press fire to throw it, then fire again to detonate it.

[unkempt garden]

Yeah, if they sit until detonated it should be possible to destroy them. But that seems like an odd design choice - I would expect a timer.

[neon tendon]

well that's still possible to do

but may hamper the parkour possibilities it currently would have

[unkempt garden]

Yeah, I guess the manual control is better for parkour.

[scenic flicker]

I would prefer to have it active until detonation.

[scenic flicker]

I think its fine if that doesn't happen. But how can you defend yourself against it? What if you are trapped and you need to walk over it?

In that case, it would be better if you could destroy it. Similar to the laser trip mine.

[lunar fog]

Does it also suck the player who threw it out?

[rigid cloak]

I would assume so if it can be used for parkour

[lunar fog]

Maybe I can try to use it as some kind of grappling hook

But with no rope or hook...

[main schooner]

oop

is the update today?

[marble trail]

Nah man 1st feb or smth

[surreal sonnet]

Next Wednesday @main schooner

[main schooner]

lol ik now haha

[next mirage]

Ok trying to catch up here. I am thinking that you are safe from the effects if you are out of line of sight of it when it detonates - get behind something solid - that might mean a level of added complexity if anything other than players, mines, grenades or vehicles are effected (does a wooden crate in tribute protect you if you are squatted behind it?)

If it is detonated on second fire command, will I be able to leave it, swith to another weapon for a time, and then reselect Implosion 'nade and detonate it like an IED?

[neon tendon]

Would the implosion affect ground items in Battle Royale and Death Match Royale?

I suspect it wouldn't, I don't recall knockback from explosions knocking them around.

Anyone more familiar with those modes able to confirm or deny that?

[scenic flicker]

I don't remember items flying around due to knock-back neither. I play DEC occasionally.

I will try it later today to confirm.

[void widget]

When double grenade slots? It's more and more painful to have to choose just one with so many fun options.

[fleet crag]

Agreed

[heady cove]

i'm a bit late to this but i feel like an implosion grenade goes against the current theme of the game

besides the chicken, all of the current weapons in the game exist in real life or have a real life counterpart in some form

im not saying that the game needs to be "realistic" in terms of mechanics (there already are a lot of unrealistic mechanics in this game), but adding an implosion grenade still breaks a pattern in the game

[tranquil pendant]

We looked into the implosion grenade sucking in other items but it was too risky/performance intensive to do so.
We also looked into allowing the player to destroy it. We can make that happen but since the implosion grenade is so small we decided to not do it as it would be hard enough to hit it.

[tranquil pendant]

I can understand that sentiment. It is similar to how you can double wall jump. Not super realistic but it helps with movement and makes the game more fun. Concussion grenades can cause a shock to people but they do not blow people back like they currently do in the game. You also would not be able to use one in real life to allow your body to fly up onto the top of a roof. We allow it though because it gives the player interesting choices to make in their movement. Can you outthink that opponent by using a concussion grenade to get to a spot they would not be expecting? I think of the concussion grenade as more offensive. You use it to disrupt and enemy you are fighting or to finish them off if they are low on health and run behind cover. Throw the concussion grenade and take their last bit of health. The implosion grenade is meant more to enhance the parkour/player movement in the game. Have a large gap between two buildings? Jump, throw you implosion grenade in front of you, and detonate it to help pull you across the large gap.

[surreal sonnet]

Now I want a Just Cause-styled grappling hook

Though it wouldn't fit the game

[serene trellis]

"Just Cause-styled grappling hook"? Huh?

[surreal sonnet]

Just Cause is a game

[serene trellis]

oh

i never heard of it

[scenic flicker]

How about making it destructible by nearby explosions, like using grenades or concussion grenades?

[neon tendon]

I personally think it would be simpler to keep it consistent. Trip Mines players can figure out they can destroy easily... whereas with these they may be confused if they have seen them destroyed through an explosive, but can't seem to destroy it in the volley of bullets they throw at it. They may also shoot at it, see it can't be destroyed and then not know that it CAN be destroyed, but only through an explosive.

It's a different type of information barrier to something like which weapons can damage a Tank. Not very intuitive for players to work out, especially with the existing Trip Mines exhibiting a similar but different behaviour.

_ _
I'd just come in here to say that now we need some fun Easter Egg in a map to give some fun to the parkour aspects. The Temple tomb has been the only one of its kind, and a ledge or room somewhere that players can access via a method such as implosion grenade boosts in something like a cliff face would be a fun little secret to find.

[scenic flicker]

I see. I'm still hyped about what the possibilities can be using this weapon. As it does no damage I'm also fine with it not being able to be destroyed.

[golden bay]

can you use the concussion grenade to counter the implosion grenade

[fleet crag]

im gonna love this nade

[neon tendon]

if the velocity changes even out, then I would assume so

[grim ivy]

i want to be able to use concussions and implosions. like concussion jump, then implosion jump right after to get on the super tall buildings we never have been able to get on. so can we choose implosion grenades on 6/7?

[carmine forge]

quick questionj

what would happen if the user detonates the implosion grenade in the air, sucking the person into the air?

would that make it possible for the user to fly?

[neon tendon]

I believe that's the intent

used to pull off higher and longer jumps

[carmine forge]

cool

so its a slightly more complicated concussion grenade in terms of mobility

[neon tendon]

mobility is the design

the intent

[carmine forge]

yes

[neon tendon]

with options to also pull players out from corners

but primarily for parkour

[carmine forge]

yeah

also

would it work for the "g" key

[neon tendon]

I assume so, it's a grenade after all

[carmine forge]

ok

goog

[gray narwhal]

So if you throw the nade over a fence activate it and it pulls you up does the focus point of the suction keep going up and then fall down on to the ground?

[tranquil pendant]

If you throw it over a fence I do not know if it works through geometry. I have not tested that yet. Lets say you throw it over a fence and then jump over the fence and activate it, it will pull you towards the nade on the ground. Basically the grenade pulls you towards itself in a straight line.

[gray narwhal]

I mean activate in mid air

Does the active suckage continue to travel?

Well no its not really a prolonged thing huh

Just a boom thing

[neon tendon]

just an implosion

not a black hole that moves along

[tranquil pendant]

It is an instant force. It is not a continuous force.

[gray narwhal]

Ahh okay my question is moot then

[fleet crag]

That will be cool. This will be useful for surprise attacks and pk

[grim ivy]

again, it would be nice to use concussion and implosion both, make implosion a #6 ability

[tranquil pendant]

Most likely you will only be able to choose one grenade type at a time. It would be too powerful to have the use of multiple types of grenades at one time in classic mode.

[frozen orchid]

so at febuary 1st right?

[neon tendon]

aimed to be

not a guarantee

it may also be different depending on your time zone

[next mirage]

A bit lost on who it affects- just the user or their team, or all players?

I also think that blast/explosion/implosion effects should be impacting Mini map display.

[neon tendon]

Think about Laser Trip Mines.

It affects you and enemy players, but will not affect allies.

Same as all other grenades too.

[fleet crag]

yes

thats good

[golden bay]

So you cannot throw the implosion grenades with the quick throw key

[neon tendon]

not currently

I am not 100% happy with the implosion grenade. Need to figure out how to make it work with quick throw. Maybe with quick throw it automatically detonates X feet from you so it can easily be used for parkour. Thoughts?

[golden bay]

And the bomb will just remain there if not detonated

[neon tendon]

or if you swap to a different weapon, it disappears

[golden bay]

disappears?

[neon tendon]

which is why the quick throw doesn't work

[golden bay]

ah

but it doesnt use up the grenade either

why to make it like concussion

detonation on contact

match the velocity and range of the concussion

I did use the implosion grenade for parkour but I found concussion grenades way better

[lunar fog]

The pulling force of it is much smaller than I expected

[golden bay]

same

[lunar fog]

also the range

[golden bay]

small

currently I would use concussion over implosion in any situation

[lunar fog]

I thought it would work like concussion but pulling instead of pushing

[golden bay]

it does work like that

[lunar fog]

can you throw it that far?

[golden bay]

but does not detonate on contact

the biggest drawback

[lunar fog]

I mean its force

maybe a bit weaker, but currently it's much much weaker

[golden bay]

imagine like 2 snipers

you throw the implosion grenade in the middle

and you can easily kill them

although with the current range and force

[lunar fog]

hmm, didn't think about that

[golden bay]

yeah but it would work when it pulls with a greater force than the current work

[lunar fog]

yea

[carmine forge]

just a bit more range

[surreal sonnet]

More range and harder pull

[void widget]

I think either the range of the pull needs to increase or give it the throw velocity of the concussion grenade so it's easier to target.

[gray narwhal]

Can you increase the strength without increasing the range of the pull?

[tough glade]

I think so

I believe thats the "damage" section of a normal nade

[golden bay]

throw velocity of the concussion grenade would make it too op

the maximum throw range of implosion grenade is approximately 112 meters

could increase it to 175-200

[fickle creek]

damage increase would be nice icl..

[timid copper]

harder pull si needed, i wanna b able to get a big boost upwards liek i can with the conc nade

[void widget]

I kind of don't think it would with it's existing pull radius being so small.

[lunar fog]

I'm a bit confused now
Does this grenade deal any damage? The first announcement in this thread says it doesn't, but I think someone killed me with it when my health is low

[golden bay]

It does deal some damage

[golden bay]

Yeah so instead of giving it that velocity, we could give it that pull. The implosion grenade is all about the pull.

[fleet crag]

Yes

[rigid cloak]

It deals very little but enough to kill you if you're below 5hp or so.

[next mirage]

Could pull someone into a mine or into the area of effect for some explosion damage from tank, grenade or rocket.

[fickle creek]

potentially but think how small the chance is of pulling that off

with the small pull it gives

[next mirage]

Oh they''d have to be close - but it would thwart someone crowding a laser trip mine shooting at you l- like the doorway to the target room in bunker.

[fickle creek]

thats fair enough actually

ill try it

[timid copper]

keep the DMG the same, but have a boost in actual pull, especially upwards

liek the same effect of throwing a conc at ur feet kinda?