The RPG and the Homing Missile deal a lot of damage when shooting a vehicle, but somehow I cannot kill a person (not in any vehicle) with these two weapons, so it seems strange. For example, when I play in the map "The Somme", there's the MG Turret, which has a HP of 500, and I can destroy it with a single RPG, but somehow, I cannot kill a person which only has a HP of 375 with RPG. This is the same with Homing Missile.
#Increase Damage of the RPG and Homing Missile on Person
dreamy stirrup
fallow vortex
I agree. RPG and homing should deal more damage than 75/175 hs
odd spruce
RPG deals 200 direct hit...
🙏
Not even direct hit somewhere near you on the ground...
And homing is meant to be used for vehicles, nothing else
dreamy stirrup
And homing is meant to be used for vehicles, nothing else
but since homing is meant for vehicles, it should be able to deal more damage on person, since the power of the missile will be larger
reef wagon
RPG could be pretty OP if it was effective anti-personnel.
It can one-shot an APC with a near miss. Imagine if it did the same to players on foot. There would be a lot of multi-kills on certain maps.
small pier
It is hard to balance RPG’s in game because they would tip the whole balancing of each Gun that the devs made
So making it mostly useful on vehicles and less so on infantry keeps every other gun with its own use and place in the game
reef wagon
Yeah, RPG anti-personnel damage could maybe be buffed a bit without making it too OP, but not too much. It needs to be fairly weak except against vehicles or the game will be dominated by RPGs on certain maps.
If you want to see how bad it would be, play a little bit of shooterz.io on a server that allows RPGs (it's a bit tricky since the game seems to be in Russian now, but no-RPG servers have no-RPG in the name). It's just constant RPG spam. Some of the dumbest gameplay you'll see in an .io game shooter.
marsh ruin
RPG deals 200 direct hit...
on a person? no, thats a lie and a half lad
if it does, then how do i only take 20 dmg when i rocket jump, with a rocket shot directly at my feet
odd spruce
It’s 200
I’ll show you a video when I get home
Lemme see if I can also find it on the wiki
marsh ruin
Lemme see if I can also find it on the wiki
wiki is wrong lad, hasn't been pdated
*updated
i have never seen a 200 dmg direct, if a feet shot isn't direct its usless
a direct palyer to feet shot, when rocket jumping does at most ive seen mb 50dmg? i think i remeber a 100, but never 200
if it actually does 200 on direct meat shots thne itd b rly gud actually
fallow vortex
I am sure the max is 175 as headshot to a player
marsh ruin
but ive never seen that
and its got a certain leway on firing
i see it as a bit janky, like its hard to connect the shots with any player
try hitting someone direct with the GL to get an idea XD
marsh ruin
Not even direct hit somewhere near you on the ground...
yh thats wrong too
odd spruce
It's not it's 200 damage lol
It's like you said, it's useless if it doesn't do 200 feet shots
But it does do 200 damage
There you go if you want proof
My theory is that it has to hit most of your body to deal 200 damage so you were correct about it not dealing 200 damage nearby. I might test that actually if the splash hits you nearby but in a way that splashes on your whole body.
I'd appreciate it if you do a bit more research before dismissing all my points on the matter @marsh ruin, thanks!
Ok I've tested and splash damage at most did 100 damage. So you were correct on one
A more clearer one
This is splash. Does around 80 damage
steel raptor
*updated
I updated it to this as of the revision of damage to vehicles
when RPG was 1000
and then dropped to low damage
quick pasture
if it does, then how do i only take 20 dmg when i rocket jump, with a rocket sho...
There’s a difference between self damage and regular
steel raptor
and then was increased again, but splash reduced
odd spruce
Yeah okay that was what I thought. It always dealt 200 damage splash and direct-hit but the splash was updated. The damage still stayed the same
steel raptor
it's a lot better balance now
only 800 to vehicles (not the old 1000)
but you can't just shoot in the general direction of an APC and get the hit
and of course, still 200 to a player on direct hit (you will be left with 175 health)
steel raptor
wiki is wrong lad, hasn't been pdated
if you ever feel like something is outdated at any point though, please do point it out to me so I can get onto it
I try to keep everything updated for those stats as best I can
just in addition to Rocket's stuff above, I have this very short and simple video of a torso hit
RPG does not distinguish between a body and head
similar to melee weapons, the homing missile, and the crossbow
(and other explosives like GL and grenades)
odd spruce
It’s pretty hard to have the RPG fully splash on your body so it’s always 50, 100, etc
But it is 200
steel raptor
any player who has played the older ZBRs may remember RPG 200s being a pain
take the original Giant Bunny Royale for example
RPG direct hit if unlucky
while focused on chicks running up to self-destruct
only changes to RPG have been on splash and vehicle percentages, not the actual base damage
marsh ruin
I'd appreciate it if you do a bit more research before dismissing all my points ...
the salt woo
just have never had that in game, ever, might have seen it like mb once it seems such a impossibly rare occurance
odd spruce
Mate I don’t even know who you are. If you can’t contribute maturely then leave
marsh ruin
getting aggresive?
yh i was wrong, my experience in game is only limited to the confines of rarity, and i was correct about the splash dmg directly to feet
steel raptor
RPG against players is not common combat
basing off self-inflicted splash can be an easy to make misunderstanding
odd spruce
getting aggresive?
Nope, just trying to be clear with things 😄
steel raptor
it's sometimes why being specific about what we are talking about helps
marsh ruin
yh ive been playing this game like 4 odd years now? and i just assosiate it with that rando guest user who thinks its great cqc weapon XD
marsh ruin
i have no memeory of thinking huh? 200 dmg? mus b a RPG then
steel raptor
only weapon out there you could really pinpoint
Sniper body shot
.50 Cal body shot
marsh ruin
that is the WB type of gamepaly, get hit, check how much dmg, figure out what weapon shot u, take correct cover
the AS too
steel raptor
AS is harder now actually
marsh ruin
been nerfed?
steel raptor
it's been buffed from 100 to 125 after I suggested that buff
and then in the recent version
Joja moved it up AGAIN
quick pasture
getting aggresive?
That’s not aggressive. You just happened to be wrong and were jumping to conclusions. It’s not salt, it’s a firm yet polite way to ask that you change your behavior, just like I am doing now.
steel raptor
to 150
marsh ruin
why has it been buffed XD
marsh ruin
but a lot less skill to use the AS...
steel raptor
you need the accompanying sound if they are close enough to tell
perhaps it's been buffed to encourage its use of the regular Sniper?
one of the side effects of a change to base damage is the percentage damage done to vehicles
marsh ruin
also time beetween shots
marsh ruin
listen for the bullets missing and tell if its a sniper or not
steel raptor
the DPS (right column) of AS is just a great benefit over the Sniper
so adds more nuance to it
marsh ruin
sniper replacement hehe
marsh ruin
hmm kill time beetween kills is still the same
steel raptor
I see Auto Sniper as a lower skill floor, but higher skill ceiling - compared to the sniper
easier to use due to flexibility
you can shoot more often
ok to miss once or twice
marsh ruin
so lwoer skill
steel raptor
but if you can quickly land every hit, it's extremely deadly and can punish a team faster than a regular sniper
and that takes more skill than a regular sniper
marsh ruin
1.5secs per shot right
steel raptor
it's both an easier and harder sniper
it's 2 RPS on the AS
0.35 RPS on the Sniper
marsh ruin
hmm were did i read 1.5 then
marsh ruin
but i kinda just feel like if im havin a bad day an don't wanna sweat sniper, i just switch to the AS, crouch, and get free kills for nothing
steel raptor
2 RPS meaning a shot every 0.5 secs
marsh ruin
same as the hunting?
hmm i think my knowledge on WB weapons is a bit laking as of late
marsh ruin
2 RPS meaning a shot every 0.5 secs
so its just better than the hunting if its the same RPM
marsh ruin
not in my experience tbh
steel raptor
Hunting starts damage drop at 200m after all
AS doesn't start until 700, similar to the Sniper and .50 Cal (and Crossbow)
marsh ruin
id say the AS has the same killing potential, so not as ur tryna aim downwards and flick, then it kinda buggers
steel raptor
one of the things people don't think about with the Hunting is the recoil on automatic
marsh ruin
WB hates straight down aiming its "off" liek tryna aim straight down of the sniper smoke stacks on pasific
steel raptor
usually people use it semi
marsh ruin
but that isn't a issue with the AS
steel raptor
there was an old saying that if you use Hunting on semi, you may as well use the revolver
to be optimal on Hunting, you want to use it on Automatic
fallow vortex
👀
marsh ruin
i just full auto and hope that luck saves me
steel raptor
also Revolver's damage drop was changed when it became a sidearm
so that saying became a forgotten thing
marsh ruin
hunting can b great, but it doesn't have too much of a neiche
steel raptor
it can be really fun on some maps
marsh ruin
sniper is abetter alternative for me, consistency over everything
steel raptor
fun synergy with some weapons
marsh ruin
thats why i hate the shotguns sometimes
steel raptor
it's not full range like the sniper, but offers a lot of range nonetheless
moreso than something like the AR
this means you can do SMG/Hunting
you get very close range and longer ranges covered
marsh ruin
sometimes i get a full meat shot to the face on a guy, and he survives with like 75 HP and death awaits
steel raptor
I find that SMG/Hunting is an efficient set to break AR/Sniper and AK/Sniper players on Southwest
wow
what's "Wouthwest"
marsh ruin
but the DMG droppoff means that if ur on a open map u gotta pack a sniper too, which is just kinda wrong?
steel raptor
let's add that to the game
marsh ruin
thatd actaully b funny
haven't had my tea intake of the day yet lad leave me alone
ive only had a pint cmon
steel raptor
I find that SMG/Hunting is an efficient set to break AR/Sniper and AK/Sniper pla...
^ it's a nuanced meta set I tested, and you can control mid really well cause the SMG is better in CQC
so you can control the close fights and win
and the Hunting covers a lot of your longer ranges for you
you have to play a bit different to an AR/Sniper and AK/Sniper set
but it's a great set to counter those two
marsh ruin
unless of course, ur in the rage of a sniper
steel raptor
just my little tip for a fun different playstyle if people get bored of the standard two sets
marsh ruin
and then that lil hunting is usless, and death on a platter
lad
true fun playstyle? give urself the worst synergising weapons, conc nades, and try and go melee
throws everything out the window on how you play, love it
both slots the 50.cal, auto as the last resort, knife/chicken as primary
think i mgiht change it to just the RPG and see if i can get some meat shots after all this hehe
i rly wish knockback could boost forwards instead of mainly up
steel raptor
The RPG and the Homing Missile deal a lot of damage when shooting a vehicle, but...
They are not intended as player weapons. It's kept to high player damage to give them less of a reason to be used and balance the game overall. If they were also great for players, you would see them as the #1 option no matter what and nothing else should be used. No risk. The game instead is about making decisions of loadouts. Your weapon choices give you strengths, but have some risks.
As a joke thing though, the Homing is really hard to hit on a player, so why not make it an OHKO.
marsh ruin
YH XD
hmm wait no thats a bad idea and a half
imagine it on cqc maps, itd b like the crossbow XD
steel raptor
For how hard it is, the reward is somewhat justified/rewarding.
Difficulty there is that we're changing the base damage... so the percentage damages have to be changed drastically to make up for it.
marsh ruin
ya see, the crossbow is jsut abetter shotgun in my experience, might fall into that type of style
aiming doesn't matter if ur litterally IN their face, so might as well use the always 1 shot kill instead of the buggy shotguns
(the tac is wack, bugged with switch times and the reload is bugged too, but nobody uses it so idk if anyone knows)
marsh ruin
For how hard it is, the reward is somewhat justified/rewarding.
id say have it in for a bit, but if it becomes a new meta or smt then remove it
steel raptor
it would be a new meta, any change changes the meta is some way
it wouldn't be a breaking move though
really long reload times
slowest movement speed
actually I think GL has slower
and hard to hit, even when close
at that point, it's hard to complain you died or that it's broken
a crossbow, shotgun, or close range sniping could have done the same
marsh ruin
also can we PLEASE change the GL! PLEASE its terrible!
marsh ruin
hmm but that isn't rly a massive drawback
fallow vortex
Was or is?
marsh ruin
is
marsh ruin
im not talking speed XD
marsh ruin
wait whats going on im confuzzled
steel raptor
because I'm saying 'I was right'
weird nuances with English as a language
where things can break
like "i before e except after c" but that only counts for maybe 10 words
marsh ruin
can we talk about the GL for a wee bit plz?
steel raptor
somewhere not in this thread
it's too off topic to the suggestion
we went way off board
marsh ruin
isn't most of this off topic? where shall we go to?
steel raptor
just #wb-chat is fine
it's about WB
one of the few times I'm telling someone to go to #wb-chat
smh
marsh ruin
yh lets move hehe