SeaToSea

[tiny wagon]

😭😭😭

[untold kiln]

02shrug

[tiny wagon]

That reminds me I should reinstall vencord

[untold kiln]

Vencord is nice, yeah

[tiny wagon]

I need the ability to speak while listening to Spotify without discord muting me for talking for more than a sentence

[still drum]

i am in file purgatory rn

WHY IS NOTHING WORKING

[trail ether]

c2c does not work properly in freedom mode

[untold kiln]

Aw. What breaks?

[trail ether]

half of it is going to simply not work, and i do not just mean stuff related to food and water

i mean entire active systems because they reference things not present in freedom

[untold kiln]

Wow. Like what?

[trail ether]

this includes morale

[untold kiln]

I did notice the absence of the morale meter

[trail ether]

it is probably spamming exceptions internslly

maybe filling your log in the process

[untold kiln]

What other stuff breaks?

[karmic drum]

Enough for you to need to swap to survival to get a full experience

💀 😭

[untold kiln]

Sure, but that doesn't mean I'm not curious

[trail ether]

there is at least one mod here you cannot use with c2c

yes

but the kind of person who fills the game with OP mods typically is unable to perceive informational dialogs, or really any ingame text

[untold kiln]

XD

[trail ether]

it counts as a safe place

[untold kiln]

Huzzah, it's not a bug

[trail ether]

from a mechanical standpoint it is perfectly safe - rushing known POIs, provided you have the tech to reach them, breaks nothing

[still drum]

keep in mind all of them are disabled except for naultilus and bepinex

[trail ether]

but yes it does ruin the "experience", as you are just going to memorized locations and never really exploring or solving puzzles

[untold kiln]

Does that include snagging stuff below 100-200 meters before I get the rebreather?

Cuz I have it now so it's a moot point, but if I'm going to be restarting the game in Survival Mode, that's important to know

[untold kiln]

Though, thinking about it, the only places I'd be concerned about are the jellyshroom caves and the biological anomaly

Anything beyond that, I'll have the rebreather for

[trail ether]

all mechanically crucial (ie stuff breaks if you push past) gates are "hard", ie impossible to squeak by

[untold kiln]

Oh okay

[trail ether]

rebreather, at least early on, is a soft gate

all it gets you is more dive time

[untold kiln]

Indeed

I'm still curious about what other stuff gets broken by Freedom Mode

[trail ether]

a hard gate would be something like needing dive time longer than a max tank w/o rebreather allows

ie something literally unsurvivable without the rebreather

[untold kiln]

So ultra high capacity plus rebreather, mk

[still drum]

okay i just removed everything unneeded for the mods to work and somehow it isnt working

[trail ether]

neither of those are even gated locations

[untold kiln]

I wasn't expecting them to be, but I wanted to be sure

[trail ether]

painful to rush but not something there is an explicit intended "step" to reach

such "i want you to X before Y" get hard gates

[untold kiln]

Lifepod 15 I assume has at least one, if not multiple hard gates related to it?

[trail ether]

soft gates are just things that i either use to nudge you (usially in preparation for a hard gate later, or to do something i like but do not consider sufficiently important to outright force), or even just are incidental results of the mechanics and balancing as implemented

put another way

as a general rule, hard gates are qualitative; soft gates are quantitative

an example hard gate is liquid breathing

[untold kiln]

In that case, the prereq to survive the journey to lifepod 15 is definitely a hard gate lol

[trail ether]

or the electrochemical suit

[untold kiln]

Makes sense!

It took me way too long to find that suit the first time around

As in, I swam past it multiple times lol

[karmic drum]

I don't wanna remember how many times I swam past it...

[trail ether]

another trend: hard gates tend to be very forceful

[untold kiln]

Like getting stuff from the ||abyss||, no doubt

[untold kiln]

I remember it vividly now though!

Hopefully I'll see it before swimming past it 2-3 times

[trail ether]

yes

[untold kiln]

Are you intentionally avoiding answering this for spoiler reasons, or do you just keep missing it? Cuz I've asked about that like 3-4 times now and gotten nothing other than "morale system"

[trail ether]

that is another good example

[untold kiln]

😄

[trail ether]

anything i hooked to the player tick is a good start

which means the entire void system, liquid beeathing, enviro effects, area progression queuing, and morale

[untold kiln]

Oh wow

[trail ether]

you said you did QA - does that mean you are aware of how uncaught exceptions behave

if so that probably illustrates

[untold kiln]

That does explain why the liquid breathing system was acting weirdly when I made it that far in my last save

I do tech support for commercial machines, not QA, but I can imagine

Guess I gotta start over, darn.

xP

Not particularly looking forward to dealing with this morale system, but I guess this means I'll be forced to actually interact with the base decoration/specialization aspect of your mods that I've been ignoring lol

Goodbye, 10 hour save x'D

I don't remember ever seeing this before, is this related to your mods?

[karmic drum]

That's the button you were asking about earlier

[untold kiln]

ohhhh

Cool!

[karmic drum]

Yea, it's basically a panic button

That way people don't break their saves by spamming warp when they get stuck

[tiny wagon]

thallascean cud

Reika i'm liking the integration im seeing so far

[untold kiln]

Good lord, does low morale make the crafting GUI move slower?

[tiny wagon]

hats off

[tiny wagon]

yeah.

that's the ONLY problem I have with morale

[untold kiln]

lol I can eat acid mushrooms

[tiny wagon]

you can try

[untold kiln]

I mean

It was kinda funny, seeing the morale meter hit 0 when the 99999 hours thing showed up, but then bounce back up to like 30 cuz I was in the middle of doing things

I appreciate that scanning things gives morale, it's a very good positive incentive to scan everything beyond "complete the Pokedex"

Ok wow almost drowning absolutely obliterates your morale

I hadn't realized just how bad the air bladder is in legacy SN1 lol

[untold kiln]

"wait timer credit"?

[trail ether]

not my doing

[trail ether]

initially it made crafting slower or faster but that did not make sense as it is the machine doing the crafting

so i made it, if you use radial tabs which has the rollout animation, make that go slower

to emulate reluctantly half-assedly operating the fab's control UI

[untold kiln]

I do indeed use Radial Tabs lol

[trail ether]

"ugggh, fiiiiiiiine"

[untold kiln]

DogeKek

If that's the case, I assume your C2C mod suite is designed to work fine without Radial Tabs, assuming there's no other mods installed?

[trail plinth]

ayy my lifepod

C2C rewards good game knowledge for the most part, I'd say it's almost a requirement to be familiar with the vanilla experience and have done a lot of exploring already, since C2C makes very good use of a lot of unused/underused locations on the map

[untold kiln]

I remember hearing my friend complain about the morale system and I thought he was making a bigger deal out of it than he should've, but apparently not

By far the easiest way of regaining morale(at least up to 40) is by alternating eating fish and plants. Naturally, you're going to be preparing those while in your base unless you have a thermoblade and a farm set up elsewhere. The problem is that poisonous plankton eventually show up and completely envelop your base, which means every time you enter and leave your base, your morale gets set to 0. What the actual fuck

Why was this considered a good idea to implement??

[trail plinth]

There are more ways to improve your morale than just eating and scanning things

Also there are ways to deal with the plankton

[untold kiln]

I'm aware of that, I said the easiest method of getting above 0 morale is food

[trail plinth]

I meant in relation to the plankton issue

[untold kiln]

I've seen people complain about the plankton several times in this channel, yet nobody ever says how, and unless there's some sort of electrical base defense thing that drives away the plankton, I have no idea how to get rid of them

And iirc all the modded base upgrades aren't acquired until later in the game

[tiny wagon]

That first one took me 25 hours to figure out

[untold kiln]

So afaik, the intended experience seems to be "go speedrun a moonpool and never leave/enter your case except with a Seamoth"

[tiny wagon]

It’ll feel stupid once you find it but it’s certainly a solution

[trail plinth]

The complaints about the plankton are limited to "I don't know how to deal with this right now" because it's not immediately obvious on how to deal with it. There was one complaint about the main solution being relatively missable

[untold kiln]

Of course that's going to be the main complaint, cuz after you deal with it, it's (I assume) never a problem again

[trail plinth]

ye

[untold kiln]

But until you find the solution, it's utterly miserable to play C2C the moment plankton invade your base

[trail plinth]

I'll say that the solution is available since the start of the game

[tiny wagon]

Yup

[tiny wagon]

This is true

[untold kiln]

I'm going to assume the solution is in the ||floating islands|| biome cuz that's where all the other base upgrades are iirc

[trail plinth]

I wouldn't really refer to the floating islands as 'available' since the start of the game

I don't actually remember how deep the first islands are but afaik they're like, mk1 depth module or more in terms of progression, at least when I decide to go for them

[untold kiln]

I wouldn't either, but at this point I have zero expectations

[trail plinth]

I mean, I did just narrow down where to find the solution to wherever you could reasonably explore after exiting your lifepod for the first time

[untold kiln]

Park the Seamoth at around 180m and then swim down with a high/ultra capacity tank and a rebreather

[calm aspen]

Lol that's my post, I was peeved that the small fish are invulnerable to being hit by my sub.

Didn't expect it would kickstart a week long shit storm over reddit, nolt and discord

[trail plinth]

maybe a tank and seaglide would make it easier

[trail plinth]

bone sharks are my nemesis

[untold kiln]

So probably deep in the kelp forests like the ||drones|| or in the jellyshroom caves

[trail plinth]

something like that probably

I will say one more thing though

Try to think in relation to what the nature of your problem is. It's plankton, so what kinds of things would help you deal with plankton, either directly or indirectly?

[untold kiln]

Fire

[trail plinth]

I mean

if it's hot enough it could probably kill the plankton via boiling the water

[untold kiln]

xP

IRL I'd say "whales" so they eat it all

[trail plinth]

hey that's not a bad idea

[untold kiln]

I assume the stasis pylon doesn't work

_> you don't mean some sort of base plankton scoop, do you?

[trail plinth]

you're the one that said whales

wonder if they have any of those on 4546b

[untold kiln]

Closest thing to that would be either the reefbacks or the ghosts

[trail plinth]

those might be a bit big to have around your base, not to mention the temperment of the ghosties

[untold kiln]

...Gasopods?

[trail plinth]

just curious, which biomes have you visited, in no particular order?

cause you may have gotten a voice log that would be quite relevant here

[untold kiln]

In this current run? Safe Shallows, Grassy Plateaus, Kelp Forests, and the floating island. In the Freedom Mode run I had to terminate a couple hours ago, add the NE mushroom forest, the Degasi base in the jellyshroom caves, and the biological anomaly. My run from last year, I scoured the entire map and had completed the Pokedex up until the Lost River, including the void spikes biome

[trail plinth]

hm, in your current run you may not have gotten the voice log so I can't really tell you to go check your voice logs

[untold kiln]

Fair enough lol

I'll keep on the lookout though!

[trail plinth]

I'd suggest dropping by a couple of the other safe/early biomes, maybe check them out a little

[untold kiln]

What's the trigger for the plankton to spawn around your base, anyway?

[trail plinth]

iirc it's just time, but I think Reika is considering adding a trigger for something specific, so you have at least some context

[untold kiln]

Can't be time, cuz my Freedom Mode save had 3x the playtime and much more time with the base built

In my current save, they showed up almost immediately after I added the 3rd room to my base

I have two multipurpose rooms and a scanner room, last save it was just one of each

[trail plinth]

oh it's also biome dependent iirc, though that's basically any surface biome that isn't the safe shallows, I think

[untold kiln]

Same location for the two bases, right next to the southeast entrance to the jellyshroom caves

[trail plinth]

could also be that it doesn't work in freedom mode, haven't tested that

[untold kiln]

Nah, I've had them in Freedom Mode before

I just didn't care cuz there's no morale system

[trail plinth]

but for each of my runs that it existed, it wouldn't be long before my sparse reef base would get overtaken each time

[trail ether]

not in long term

[untold kiln]

I have no doubt about that

But I also expect by the time there's easier methods, the plankton issue will be long solved

[trail ether]

how are those related

[tiny wagon]

kelp should be good too

i based between the kelp and grand reef and NEVER experienced them

[trail plinth]

fair enough I suppose

[untold kiln]

Touching the plankton sets your morale to zero

Which immediately means C2C is a completely miserable experience the moment plankton invade your base

Until you get a Seamoth and moonpool or whatever the plankton solution is, you're stuck at very low/0 morale

Also I wanna say it's incredibly frustrating that reading the PDA while in my base drains my morale at a notable rate

Cuz half the game of C2C is scouring PDA entries for progression clues, but doing that tanks your morale for no reason

[trail plinth]

it's less about the PDA and more about the base

[untold kiln]

Oh

[trail plinth]

there's a helpful entry about room bonuses that would be helpful with that

[untold kiln]

I did see that, but I have very few blueprints still

I'll look into it tomorrow

[trail plinth]

yeee fair enough

[trail ether]

why would reading the PDA drain morale

[untold kiln]

Idk, this is my first time playing C2C in survival mode and I'm assuming as little as possible. The only time I've been in my base for any significant length of time is when I'm trying to read the PDA to find new stuff

[normal rune]

Welp.... After some digging i found the post you made about a year ago -#1147624004648186009 message - Would that be the way to go, and add FCS?

[worldly valve]

As much as i do agree Reika does go a bit on the overboard side, that is the nature of a good game dev imo. so particular with taste that they don't care about everything amopngst general game design. I would implore you to consider cutting back on your mod list for c2c, it is meant to be a much slower experience. even the tools are meant to be more of a milestone, than a collectable.

radiation suit much less so, but rebreather is quite powerful in c2c

cyclops is so lategame anyways, it's rather niche

[karmic drum]

||I still never learned how to deal with the radiation in the lost river 😭||

[barren oar]

the what

|| there's ?? lost river radiation now ?? ||

oh do you mean ||the irradiated base nearby the lost river entrance? you should be able to just wear the rad suit minus the helmet, last i recall||

[karmic drum]

||yea that one.||

[barren oar]

then yeah that shouldnt be too bad

its kind of ass because of the fucking cave crawlers that deal surprisngly non-negligible amounts of damage and the Fucking Warpers that keep warping you out every Four Seconds

(((and also never shoot the stasis rifle inside because you'll end up dislodging various static objects and end up causing a hell of a lot of lag... hopefully that was fixed since my run?)))

i dread the moment i have to do that again when ill restart playing c2c that shit stiiinkssss

by the by how do you download these again

are you supposed to build them as the player

@green bane yo, i think builds should be added to the releases periodically (if there were changes) since most players wouldnt know how to build them & im not finding any sort of compiled build in the repo... except for the dependencies which probably shouldve been gitignored lol but the repo isnt staying anyway so whatever

[worldly valve]

I ran into it from the other side my first time!

[barren oar]

other side?

isnt there only one entrance into the area it's in?

[worldly valve]

|| i came from the river||

[barren oar]

oh

i see

[trail plinth]

Iirc reika fixed the warper line of sight issue, since ||wrecked seabase pieces|| didnt block line of sight for warper shots before

Vanilla thing, kinda silly

[trail plinth]

That might be one of the things she's patched to be immune to the stasis rifle. There are so many things that break from being hit by the stasis rifle, mostly vanilla stuff too

[barren oar]

Oh shit fr? Very nice

[barren oar]

Ahh cool cool

[green bane]

True
Will post one later today then I think

[next obsidian]

I've just seen your repo and I've been trying to do the same thing too 😂 . Right now I've ported over 6 of the other mods and they work with 95% of the features, but I'm just starting on the actual sea to sea mod now so I'd love to help test or debug some stuff and build on top of what you've done when I've got some time, if you need

[unreal flame]

Prototype sub is 100% incompatible forever

[trail plinth]

oh I can only imagine what it does 😭

[unreal flame]

odyssey sub is "probably incompatible unless integration has already been addressed"

hydra would need compat even more but is at least a balanced sub (arguably)

no idea what ion exchanger is

beluga... would probably be tough to balance, is my guess

[untold kiln]

Well, good news - the plankton vanished when I booted up the game today, so evidently they have to respawn every time I load in

So that's good, at least

[trail plinth]

Its a bit of a saving grace sometimes yeah

[untold kiln]

Trying to find any fragments to scan in the mushroom forests is like trying to find a needle in a haystack with all the plankton blocking the view

It's very pretty, but it gets old in about 3 seconds flat with how much it blocks and with how laggy the biome now is

[karmic drum]

Scanner bases. In every biome

[untold kiln]

That is the goal eventually, but I don't have the materials on me for one rn

No gold and no rare metals

[karmic drum]

Start with one in the safe shallows. The grassy platue are good place to get said rare metals. And the barnacle on the reef back specifically only drop silver and copper

[untold kiln]

I've got one in the SE grassy plataeaus, yeah

I'm just away from my base atm

[karmic drum]

For the rooms themselves you want the hud chip and max range upgrades

[untold kiln]

Gotta visit the jellyshroom cave to get magnetite, ye

Also I need a rebreather

XD

[karmic drum]

Yea, I'll admit that takes a second to get

Partly cause of the enameled glass

[untold kiln]

Welp, my base is in the irradiated zone and I don't have a radiation suit lol

I dun goofed

[karmic drum]

But ye, once you can get the mag for a hud chip. And a scanner room in literally one multi-biome range that has both sandstone and limestone nodes. You're safw

[karmic drum]

Rookie mistake

[untold kiln]

My base straddles the boundary of the irradiated zone, my crafting area is inside the zone while my scanner room isn't

[karmic drum]

Oooh, actually for those rare metals. Make some medkits, and hang around the largest thermal vent in the safe shallows

It spews up all kinds of stuff. Just try to avoid the heat spikes

[untold kiln]

Radiation sickness causing the fabricator GUI to move slowly is making me die to radiation before I can put the suit on lmao

[trail plinth]

oooogh, brutal

are you able to bring the stuff to the lifepod instead?

[untold kiln]

Took another attempt, but I survived x'D

[trail plinth]

1hp and a dream 😭

[untold kiln]

"morale boost" my ass

[barren oar]

try as you might, the player will still find a way to softlock themselves

[trail plinth]

so, funny thing

[barren oar]

you did manage to get out though

[untold kiln]

I probably gotta wait till I heal first lol

[trail plinth]

being on death's doorstep is going to limit your--yeah lmfao

health, hunger and thirst being low will limit your maximum morale, even if you would otherwise have an increase to it

[untold kiln]

imo low morale shouldn't affect the seaglide movement speed

[barren oar]

it does?

[trail plinth]

I'd imagine even on an implementation level that would be a pain to do tbh, since the seaglide is just a modifier

so there would have to be a check of "using seaglide with battery" that would basically revert the low speed from low morale

[untold kiln]

iirc seaglide ignores the speed penalty from weight, no?

[barren oar]

i cant see it as anything other than "if seaglide equipped: dont()"

[trail plinth]

I don't think there's a weight mechanic in subnautica?

unless you're using a mod that adds encumbrance

[untold kiln]

What's the point of the lightweight high capacity tank, then?

[trail plinth]

maneuverability

(I never use it lmfaoooo)

[barren oar]

you can carry more in your inventory without it slowing you down as much i think

[untold kiln]

same

[trail plinth]

it's a slight bonus to your ability to move

but I don't think it adds any speed in terms of moving in a straight line

[untold kiln]

The Lightweight High Capacity Tank (henceforth LW-HCT) is an equipment upgrade for the High Capacity O₂ Tank, giving the same +90 units of oxygen (for a total of 135), but with a slightly lower Swimming Speed penalty, -0.1 m/s underwater and -0.13 m/s on the surface, rather than the High Capacity tank's -0.4 and -0.53 m/s.

From the wiki

[trail plinth]

what the fuck

weird

[untold kiln]

iirc the seaglide completely ignores those modifiers, so you could probably have morale piggyback off of that if we wanted the seaglide to ignore morale speed penalties

[trail plinth]

not really much of a difference tbh, especially given all hte modifiers and the existence of the seamoth, but fair enough I suppose

really? I thought the seaglide was just a bonus of like 1.45x or something

[barren oar]

oh i thought it was just for that hoarding oxygen tanks gameplay types

[trail plinth]

now I gotta check

[untold kiln]

While not equipped, the LW-HCT takes up six slots (2×3) in the inventory with no speed penalty. Speed penalties only affect unassisted swimming, and do not matter while using a Seaglide.

Also from the same wiki page

[trail plinth]

oh you know what

I might be thinking of the ||azurite battery|| bonus 😭

I might be a bit dumb

[untold kiln]

The speed penalty is only relevant while wearing the tank itself, not while it's in your inventory. Which makes sense, cuz the penalty for having a tank in your inventory is the massive amount of space it uses

[untold kiln]

Do the ion batteries have a similar bonus?

[trail plinth]

nope

they have more capacity though

[untold kiln]

Ah, I assume C2C changes that then

That makes sense, gotta make the ion batteries the best somehow

[trail plinth]

actually nope, ion batteries stay the same iirc

[untold kiln]

oh

Cuz ion batteries have a capacity of 500 while the azurite batteries have a capacity of 750

[trail plinth]

oh maybe they did get buffed then

for capacity anyway

not actually sure, I'd have to check at some point

[untold kiln]

I miss when I could trust my compass

[trail plinth]

I love magnets

[untold kiln]

idk why I crafted this thing, it's so useless in C2C

[trail plinth]

it works sometimes

[untold kiln]

It's not working in my base

[barren oar]

its useful for the like 15 minutes after you craft it

[trail plinth]

mostly if there's no ongoing geomanetic event or if you're in a magnetic biome

oh yeah hardmode C2C makes geomagnetic events more frequent

[untold kiln]

"geomagnetic event" wat

[barren oar]

after that you have constant magnetic field shifts or however the fuck it was explained so it isnt useful ever anymore

[trail plinth]

it's literally just compass spinny time

they aren't constant, they're just frequent

[barren oar]

thankfully beacons are unaffected and much more useful anyway

[trail plinth]

I've used my compass plenty in my last playthrough

[barren oar]

i do not remember a single time i could rely on it

[untold kiln]

Ok my decoration rating in my main crafting area is now above 0, so I assume my morale won't tank anymore while I'm chilling there

[barren oar]

maybe just to make sure im roughly following the same straight line for one of the mechanics (you know the one), but it still sways to the side uncontrollably

so you have to kind of guess where the middle of that oscillation is

it sucks

[untold kiln]

atm it's rock solid, actually

It decided it wanted to work properly

welp, the plankton have arrived

Time to Alt + F4

Cuz I'm not dealing with that rn

Oh good, that worked and is consistent

[unreal flame]

making note of it this much is a good way to find out they've become pestilent persistent in the future

[untold kiln]

yeah ik

With how close my base is to the jellyshroom cave, you'd think the scanner room would pick up the magnetite, but nooo

[unreal flame]

have you loaded the area previously

[untold kiln]

I think so? My scanner room scanned a databox before I even left the room, I think

Yeah I know I went in here once before cuz I have a piece of jellyshroom in my base storage

Wow, the stasis rifle is expensive af

So what's the reasoning for making the "please update C2C" message permanently across the entire top half of the screen to make the game unplayable?

[unreal flame]

people reporting bugs from older versions

[untold kiln]

Yeah, that's about what I expected

[trail plinth]

are you playing on an older version?

[untold kiln]

Atm no, but my run where I was trying to access the lost river got nuked because I was forced to update C2C

[trail plinth]

ahh, not sure why it'd be showing up for you then

[untold kiln]

atm it's not, I was just curious

[trail plinth]

oh derp

[untold kiln]

Huh, I was expecting the propulsion cannon to be more expensive

e.e is this the thing?

...what the fuck is a microfilter

[trail plinth]

I mean if you want more plankton...

[trail plinth]

:)

[untold kiln]

Huh, I can't save in the life pod anymore

Weird

and now it works fine?

ThonkConga

Rebreather acquired! 😄

It's weird that getting stabbed or blown up does nothing to morale, but the moment I get near a source of heat or poison (or electricity, I assume) my morale tanks to 0

[unreal flame]

i'm waiting to give a proper opinion on the morale system until I've had a chance to actually use it myself, but it does seem to have a bunch of odd quirks

[untold kiln]

lol Cyclops depth module mk1 acquired before the Seamoth depth module mk 1

Ugh, there's supposed to be moonpool fragments in that one Grand Reef wreck, but no, all I get is thermal plant fragments

[unreal flame]

some fragments were moved around, i think

[untold kiln]

As much as that annoys me, I can't bring myself to disagree with the sentiment behind doing that

[unreal flame]

just wait until you start finding more of the unlocks that have puzzles between you and them

[untold kiln]

I found one, though!

So now I'm at 3/4

Once I get that 4th one, I can completely ignore the seabase plankton

[trail plinth]

I think that's more of a function of damage amount per hit, hence why when you're being burned or poisoned your morale your morale drops to 0 because it's a lot of hits

don't worry, getting bit by a reaper will hurt your morale a lot too

[untold kiln]

Nah, cuz then I'll just die and reload lol

C2C: The mod that (sort of) encourages save scumming by way of forcing it to happen if you die outside your seabase

[untold kiln]

Why does my morale drop to 0 in the crash zone??

[karmic drum]

Trauma

[untold kiln]

So I'm just meant to hope and pray that no reapers will show up?

...or feed them fish, I guess

Is it just in the skid mark where my morale drops to 0, or everywhere in the biome?

[trail plinth]

iirc it's the entire biome yeah

[untold kiln]

Ew

[trail plinth]

it has the highest morale drain of any biome iirc

[untold kiln]

If you couldn't eat food while already at 100+ food satisfaction, C2C would be actually unplayable in the early game

And I mean that with 100% sincerity

You'd be permanently stuck in the single digits unless/until you find some other way of boosting morale

I love it when I get in my Seamoth crooked

[karmic drum]

[karmic drum]

Honestly? As someone who has legitimately lived through several traumatic events? You'd never really get over that. Plus the biome itself just sort of sucks for the human mind in general. It has way too many conditions that can generate fear, anxiety, and depression

[untold kiln]

Sweet ultra high capacity air tank

[untold kiln]

That's entirely fair, I just wasn't expecting realism to win out over "oh fuck I need a way to survive the half-dozen Reapers in the area and MORALE BEING 0 IS NOT HELPING!"

It's a matter of game balance/mechanics vs realism

[karmic drum]

Oh yea, I mean it does add an element of reward to risk. And creative solutions to make the reapers fuck off. Because you only go to that biome for crazy important upgrades.

So it's a challenge.

[untold kiln]

mhm

[karmic drum]

And once you solve that challenge. There's a euphoric satisfaction to that

[untold kiln]

I mean, there's already alternate methods of surviving reapers in vanilla

[karmic drum]

||except for the data box at the life pod. That just sucks period.||

[untold kiln]

I plan to bring a bunch of fish with me and feed the fish to any reapers that come calling

And if that doesn't work, idk

Make a few quick excursions and hope that I find one more moonpool fragment

Never mind, found one above Offer Keen's life pod 😄

[karmic drum]

Oh yea, life pod 19 is loaded. I always make sure to swing through the blood trench entrance that's there and grab a piece of blood oil

That way I can start producing an infinite amount of it later on

[untold kiln]

Oh shit, that's convenient

[karmic drum]

Gonna be using a consistent benzene later on

[karmic drum]

That's actually a vanilla spawn for that databox

[untold kiln]

It always takes me forever to find it

I usually end up having to look it up on the wiki

wtf my morale is max

I'm sure that won't last long tho

[karmic drum]

Yea, just grab a single blood oil and get out

[untold kiln]

Oddly enough, even after grabbing 2 and scanning a few things, I took no hit to my morale. I assume there's a delay for when morale starts dropping?

[karmic drum]

Maybe.

[karmic drum]

I've ended up memorizing a lot of weird databox and fragment locations over time

[untold kiln]

Oh boy, I love having to find out where new modded resources spawn x'D

[karmic drum]

Oh you don't wanna bother with that for a long while

[untold kiln]

Oh that's new

[karmic drum]

Man. I remember one c2c run where I got crazy lucky early on. I found a time capsule with swim charge fins

[untold kiln]

And that

nice

[karmic drum]

All sorts of new items

Spans out what upgrades you can craft

[untold kiln]

Hm. My morale is slowly draining in my base, clearly I need more decoration in my main room

Somehow the wall planter does nothing??

The fuck

[karmic drum]

Yea, you need it to qualify as a "leisure space"

[karmic drum]

No clue

[untold kiln]

But I wanna craft 🙁

[karmic drum]

Make another room. Different room types have different bonuses

[still drum]

HOW IS IT STILL NOT WORKING

[karmic drum]

It helps to have different rooms for everything

[untold kiln]

All I want is for my morale to stop going down while I'm crafting

[karmic drum]

I think a proper leisure room results in an overall slower morale drain following a recharge

[untold kiln]

Moonpool get! 😄

Now I can ignore the plankton, yaaaay

Oh that's cool

[karmic drum]

Which means you want one in multiple bases across the map. I'm not sure how many of them you're actually capable of making though

[karmic drum]

Oh, I see you're using Rekai's extra mods as well

[still drum]

is there anything wrong with this that could cause the 2.0 port to fail to load

[untold kiln]

I have a lot of mods

88 of them, not counting SMLHelper

[still drum]

logs arent saying anything is wrong with the loading

[untold kiln]

Very descriptive scanner room, thank you

[still drum]

its either im missing something incredibly obvious or the port is truely that unstable

[karmic drum]

Something special

[unreal flame]

Something is wrong here

[still drum]

odd

its not loading

oh wait nvm i thought it said nothing is wrong here

(its the 2.0 port thats why its in bepinex not qmod)

whats the thing thats wrong? ive been trying to get this working for literal hours

[karmic drum]

I see things like submersed vr and epic structure loader. Given how experimental thesr ports are. And how complex c2c already is. I'd highly doubt it's stable enough to consitently work with other mods

[still drum]

ah i just removed submersed i thought structure loader was a dependancy lol

[karmic drum]

I mean I haven't looked over the ports. I just know that they do work. Based on... well the people who have been testing them 😅

c2c in legacy already breaks if you try to inject complex mods.

[still drum]

okay im down to the bare minimum of mods

aka only c2c and its dependencies

OH

nautilius needed an update

[karmic drum]

[still drum]

lets try now

[karmic drum]

This is the best way to do it if you're aim is to help in play testing to accelerate the official port timeline

[still drum]

still not working

lets double check logs

[karmic drum]

Try making a secondary fresh save to compare logs with

[still drum]

i make a fresh save every attempt

[karmic drum]

Oh

[still drum]

okay so i think tihsi s whats doing it

i dont know how to code so idk what this is

[karmic drum]

Atlas...?

[still drum]

i honestly dont know

i have literally only like 7 mods on rn

[karmic drum]

If you don't have the atlas submarine installed. Then I can't image what's happening

[still drum]

its not even called the atlas in the mod

[karmic drum]

Above my pay grade

[still drum]

its called the beluga

[karmic drum]

Withdrawing

[still drum]

so LETS GET GOOGLING

[karmic drum]

Whatever you do. Don't use the gemini summaries

[still drum]

i say as i look at the gemini summaries

[karmic drum]

They are very capable of miscompiling information

[still drum]

okay lets try verifying the file integrity idk why i havent done this

[trail ether]

this is not it bugging out

[still drum]

subnautica has ufos now

only accurate answer

[trail ether]

this is not true

[trail plinth]

I have great news! There are more ways to increase your morale!

oh

99 messages

[karmic drum]

My mistake. I'm too far late to be commenting on the current state of the morale skill

[trail ether]

leisure rooms are not the only way not to lose morale in bases

[karmic drum]

System*

[still drum]

yeah i still got no idea what that error is about

[trail ether]

and where i always go

[still drum]

who doesnt go to that spot?

[trail ether]

this happens occasionally to me too - i have absolutely no idea why

[karmic drum]

People like my brother yesterday. Who hasn't played the game since early access

[still drum]

💀

bro went to the dunes didnt he

[trail plinth]

my favourite part was when my seamoth would flip upwards in the moonpool as I got into it and dropped out of the moonpool facing upwards

[trail ether]

they only reason they are not is it helps cull excess

[karmic drum]

No. He didn't. He knows that reaper territory. But for some reason is also convinced that creatures like reapers can roam between multiple biomes

[still drum]

different mod buddy

[karmic drum]

He's on ps5

Not the sharpest crayon in the box

[trail ether]

remove it

[still drum]

already is

[trail ether]

this is a C# version incompatibility

you have mods from different and incompatible C# versions

[still drum]

odd

okay lets try reinstalling terrain patcher and ecc library

yeah that did literally nothing

[karmic drum]

I would attempt an installation myself to compare. But I am currently unable to reach my computer

[still drum]

i THINK its an error with ecc considering the error occurs right after ecc attempts to create "example creatures"

[untold kiln]

I wasn't expecting it to be bugging out lol, I was just making a fun comment 😄

[untold kiln]

I usually see it happen when I'm moving quickly and approaching my Seamoth from a weird angle and try to get in while still moving

[karmic drum]

I've had my character get stuck holding my repair tool when getting in my moth (Definitely didn't leverage this bug against bone sharks when it happened on accident);

[untold kiln]

Nice lol

[untold kiln]

Are there any logs in the PDA that describe ways to improve/preserve morale?

I would assume yes, but confirmation would be nice

[still drum]

make eating acid mushrooms improve morale

for. reasons

[untold kiln]

DogeKek

[karmic drum]

They don't produce those types of acid

[still drum]

good thing i dont care

[karmic drum]

And Riley doesn't have a nano composite body

[untold kiln]

Oh cool, my Northern Kelp Forest Exploration Findings log is complete, that was fast

[karmic drum]

Man... yall making me wanna play c2c again...

[untold kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[still drum]

okay it appears to be an ECC library error as it has the error during ECC library loading

[karmic drum]

Maybe you need to try get a slightly older ECC version?

[still drum]

idk the ecc file im using is from the dependencies folder for the port

[karmic drum]

Hmm. Gotta get in touch with who made the port then.

[still drum]

ecc hasnt had an update since the creation as well

i think it just died

[worldly valve]

Are you playing on the 2.0 version?

[still drum]

yeah

not playing

TRYING TO PLAY

[worldly valve]

Not sure that will work

[still drum]

worked for others apparently

[worldly valve]

On the legacy yeah

People got it working on 2.0?

[still drum]

plus it wouldnt be released if it couldnt load

[still drum]

yeah

"working"

okay imma try restarting the pc

[worldly valve]

Have tou gotten c2c to work without the ecc?

[trail ether]

i think so and if not i am not against adding it

[untold kiln]

Yay~2

I haven't seen anything about morale yet

[still drum]

its a dependency

idk if it would even work without it

worth a shot ig

[karmic drum]

||isn't it needed for the alt stalker things?||

[still drum]

odd

no errors even popped up in logs this time

but its not working still

[untold kiln]

Huh, TIL the Seamoth stops moving when it gets down to 10% HP

[karmic drum]

The seamoth gets progressively slower the lower it's hp gets

I can't remember if it's speed is effected by your morale or not

[untold kiln]

The acceleration definitely is

[karmic drum]

Last I played morale was still a highly experimental feature

[karmic drum]

You'll need to talk with the port creature. They may well have miscompiled something

Or listed the wrong mod version

[still drum]

huh can i cook the creature?

how much hunger does it give

[karmic drum]

Creator

😭

[untold kiln]

It seems crafting a new piece of equipment for the first time gives a huge morale boost, neat

[still drum]

idk im just gonna leave a github report and leave it at that for now

[karmic drum]

Oh yea, first time discoveries are huge

Item stands are also huge in leisure spaces when used in moderation

[untold kiln]

There's a spadefish flying inside my base! 😄

[still drum]

rip

it has ||fish cancer||

[untold kiln]

yup

[karmic drum]

Average legacy moment

[untold kiln]

This seems to have been a one-off, I can't replicate that in my new run

Oh nice, fixing the Aurora also gives a morale boost

Welp, that's probably in the jellyshroom caves

[untold kiln]

Mercury acquired!

0, 0, 0 is a very strange place indeed lol

[normal rune]

Doesn't look like any plants have joined the party. That's when it really gets fun

[still drum]

lol ive seen something with the prototype mod like that

one of the ||alien fabricators|| spawned at 0,0,0 for some reason

[trail plinth]

oh reika has so many screenshots from my playthrough of the shit that's happened at 0 0 0, that place is wild

[trail plinth]

hmmmmmmm, how interesting

I think I know what that is

I'm itching to play c2c again god dammit, I still need to edit the 220 hours of footage I recorded 😭

[untold kiln]

XD

[trail ether]

i kind of want to do a playthrough myself soon too

[trail plinth]

multiplayer compat when

for legal reasons this is a joke

[karmic drum]

Downside of making the mod. You never have time to play it

[trail ether]

i am not even working on SN mods right now

by which i mean "these last few months"

[untold kiln]

oooooooooooh

Cool!

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/2D2R4pT.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/0BSLkiw.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834641124463214612/1501391542584086528/godraydemo2.mp4?ex=6a0b1096&is=6a09bf16&hm=e6dcd2869c0776fec6a1a8f728f2ac73082a893566d3f7a2c14876744a30772b&

[trail plinth]

I was gonna say "it's been like half a year" but then i remembered you did a patch in like february or something

[karmic drum]

Oooh. Very nice.

[trail ether]

I just published the map

https://youtu.be/md-bQ56maPE

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3728190369
https://soundcloud.com/reikakalseki/test-chamber-ruins

[worldly valve]

I was thinking wrong mod sorry

[untold kiln]

Damn, my morale was maxed out

And then the Sunbeam died

Now it's 0 x'D

[green bane]

https://github.com/RedstoneWizard08/ReikasModsPort/releases/tag/experimental

People asked for an experimental precompiled build, here ya go

[faint summit]

Guys, I am trying to play SeaToSea for the first time, but it requires Terrain Patcher. The only versions of that I can find require Bepinex. Can someone help me?

[green bane]

https://github.com/Esper89/Subnautica-TerrainPatcher/releases/tag/v0.4

[faint summit]

Thanks!

[untold kiln]

I could've sworn there was a base in the ||mountain caves||, but I can't find it for the life of me. I found the ||damaged azurite battery|| and 10 ||purple tablet|| fragments, but at this point I'm coming up blank

Checked the PDAs and got nothing

And apparently I'm stuck at 0 morale for god knows how long

[green bane]

if you're on my build i am aware that the world loading is really broken rn lol

im working on it in my spare time

[untold kiln]

Nah, I'm using Reika's live build in legacy branch

[green bane]

ah

[untold kiln]

I just saw the Sunbeam explode and now I'm stuck at 0 morale

Among other things, but that's the most annoying concern

[still drum]

well that explains why nothing was loading considering my checks were checking the ||glass forest|| and the ||mobile vehicle bay recipe||

[untold kiln]

Still stuck at 0 morale, is there something specific I have to do to get Riley to stop being stuck at 0??

On the bright side, I no longer about biome morale penalties cuz I can't go lower than 0

I stg someone punctured a hole in his bladder cuz he goes through water like crazy now

...is that supposed to represent him crying?

MARK 3???

WHERE THE FUCK ARE MARKS 1 AND 2??

Also that particular databox would 100% be impossible to repair with DeathRun on because the bone sharks would be way too aggressive. They'd just kill you long before you finished fixing it

[green bane]

yeah the terrain patches are borked rn
i gotta figure out how to remake them

[untold kiln]

Oh finally, he's no longer locked to 0 morale

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Wonder if it was time-based or if I just had to start progressing again

lmao running myself over with the Seamoth obliterates my morale

Fair enough

[untold kiln]

Is it just me, or does going above a certain speed threshold increase Riley's morale?

Are ||eye flames|| the only thing you get from the eco anomaly area itself?

I cuz I covered every inch of that thing and I see nothing else useful there, and I don't see a section for it in the PDA

[worldly valve]

This isnt useful per say but

Look directly down at an eyeflame and look at its shadow

[untold kiln]

Btw when I open doors in wrecks, the morale meter goes partially invisible

[marble creek]

Riley is so focused on opening the door he forgets about his terrible situation

[untold kiln]

DogeKek

[untold kiln]

I think it would be a good idea, for those databoxes that can't be fixed until you ||upgrade the battery in the repair tool|| that there's some sort of pop-up/PDA entry or something giving a hint, because my first thought when I saw a databox stuck at 2% wasn't "Oh, I need to explore more and come back later", it was "Damn, this is bugged"

tfw the scariest thing to happen to me in years when playing SN1 isn't getting eaten by a leviathan, but accidentally yeeting myself into the sky by accidentally using the propulsion cannon on an external growbed

wheeze

[untold kiln]

TIL there's a few tiny caves/tunnels in the eastern wall of the floating islands biome, but there's nothing of note in there. Missed opportunity

[trail ether]

yes i hide it during cinematics, which those doors are

that is a side effect of a fix of the floating happy face and bar during the intro cutscene

[untold kiln]

I now have both the mk2 and mk3 depth modules for the Seamoth, but I'm somehow still missing the mk1 lmao

[trail ether]

i cannot check which cinematic is active

[untold kiln]

Fair!

[trail ether]

only that there is a cinematic active

[trail ether]

given how much he has to strain to open those i can imagine

[untold kiln]

I appreciate the reminders

[trail plinth]

yeah I pointed that out to Reika during my playthrough, I think there's just not much incentive to put anything there that would be important/noteworthy that would make in-world sense

[forest valve]

ye saves are very important in c2c

can be unstable at times

[untold kiln]

Yup

[karmic drum]

Scanner rooms. Scanner rooms in every biome possible. No matter how insignificant it might seem

And track down literally every pda possible. You can't leave the planet without getting scan data on everything and finding every pda entry

[untold kiln]

Huh, the PDA only says the Aurora/Degasi survivor info pages are required, not the wildlife scans

[untold kiln]

Does the mk 1 depth module count as a fragment or a databox?

[still drum]

wait fr?

[karmic drum]

Neither. You'll know what it is when you see it

[untold kiln]

Yaaaaaaay

XD

Ty lol

[karmic drum]

Hint. Start building max range scanner bases in the shallow and move outward in all directions

[untold kiln]

I've got one in the southern grassy plateaus with max range

It used to have two "unidentifiable" things, now there's just 1, but it's under the surface of the ground but not accessible from the jellyshroom caves 🙁

[marble creek]

Those "unidentifiable" things might actually be accessable for those willing to search well enough.....

[untold kiln]

I didn't have a rebreather at the time, I should check it out again now, hm

[karmic drum]

Yes, yes you should

[untold kiln]

xP

[trail plinth]

God dammit im gonna drop my other projects and do another run of c2c at this rate why do i keep looking at this channel

[karmic drum]

You cannot escape the call (of the tree)

[trail ether]

i do not want these spoilers posted here

delete this

[trail plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-this-moana-maui-dancing-what-can-i-say-except-gif-17413161

[karmic drum]

I didn't accidentally post something did I?

[marble creek]

Never in a million years

[untold kiln]

I see that part of the compatibility between C2C and FCStudios now involves moving the FCStudios databoxes elsewhere instead of just changing the recipes

Or at least, the two FCS databoxes weren't in the wreck

[karmic drum]

Yes, two are moved. And instead of buying items, you buy blueprints

[untold kiln]

I was aware of the "buying blueprints" bit, but the databoxes didn't used to be moved

[karmic drum]

Yea, they've been shuffled to match c2c's progression pace

[untold kiln]

That makes sense

I always forget that that wreck wants 5 power cells, not 6 lol

[untold kiln]

Turns out these things are just the vanilla precursor caches 🙁

Or the warp gates that connect to the primary containment facility

[trail ether]

and what do those have in common

[untold kiln]

All made by precursors lol

Given that I'm searching for the Seamoth depth module mk1, I doubt I'll find it by following any of those

They're all locked by purple tablets anyway, so they're all inaccessible

Shhh, it's sleeping...

...Huh. Can't say that that's what I was expecting to find in the jellyshroom caves, but I'm not complaining

Oh. Well, fuck.

This is gonna take awhile

[untold kiln]

Oh good, they show up in the scanner room now that I've gotten one

._. it lies

The other two blips are underneath the ground

...never mind

Never would've found this hole without the scanner room smh

Haaaaaa~1

There's no clues for this

Might as well explore the rest of the Aurora since I have a laser cutter now

Okay never mind, I need the reinforced dive suit first

[still drum]

there isnt even one there?

[untold kiln]

Idk, but regardless of anything else, it takes a purple tablet, which I don't have access to

I have no idea where I'm going to find that microfiber mesh recipe, it's gating so much content now

🙁

[fair merlin]

Is there a way to run c2c on 2.0?

[modern ibex]

There is an unfinished fork by RedstoneWizard08

[fair merlin]

ok

[fair merlin]

How do in install the 2.0 version?
https://github.com/RedstoneWizard08/ReikasModsPort

[barren oar]

under releases

the builds are there

presumably install them as any other bepinex mod, i.e. in subnautica root/bepinex/plugins

[trail ether]

I am a little concerned wiht the idea of the people testing the 2.0 port being randoms who likely are only asking for 2.0 because they have done no reading

that both will result in a lot of intended things reported as issues with the port by people who just cannot figure stuff out, as well as any real issues in the 2.0 being blamed on me

[karmic drum]

My thoughts exactly

There needs to be some kind of discouraging disclosure. Or some method to weed out anyone who's only installed it out of impatience

[unreal flame]

Do you want me to

[fair merlin]

ok thanks

[trail ether]

you will definitely "know better", as it were, though this jeopardizes the "integrity" of the playthrough you were going to do, as i fully expect there will be nonfunctional mechanics

[wary moss]

As a former s2s player I was just about to ask about that before I started setting my modlist up, you could probably make a disclaimer on the site or qna to filter the mistaken issues out

I would be really hyped to try playing it myself alongside my other mods

As a fallout new vegas player I will tear my own pc apart before blaming an issue on a mod dev without clear reason lmfao

[karmic drum]

I mean they didn't make the ports. It's on @green bane to leave any disclaimers

[wary moss]

Ah

[karmic drum]

And even then... reading is hard

For most people

[wary moss]

Dont mind the name just a limbus joke

[karmic drum]

I personally think if you want to test the ports. Your reports should only be considered valid if you only play to test, and don't run anything besides Reika's 6 needed mods. Or otherwise approved mods

[wary moss]

Well with the existence of ports imma play to have fun, if I have an error I will see what can be done if its bad and i can guarantee it would be a major fuckup on my end

I wont report anything unless Its absolutely certain it's not a gameplay feature and from a single mod alone, mod collision can be anything from item overlap to a single typo making an entire separate mod completely break (which yes I've experienced that in new vegas)

Or a mod just not working cause another revamped a crafting bench

Mucho texto made short, imma play the port and have fun, making sure to appreciate reikos hard work making the mod and Redstone wizard for porting it

[forest valve]

comprehension is harder for c2c players

[barren oar]

?? are fallout mods held together with HOPES and DREAMS

ive heard horror stories about modding fallout games to be fair

[karmic drum]

You ever modded skyrim?

[barren oar]

no never played it

[karmic drum]

That shit is both the rice fields and the trenches

[barren oar]

i dont think ive heard stuff about skyrim modding actually

[wary moss]

Exactly why I have experience with it being the game and not the mod author lol

[barren oar]

like ever

hah

[green bane]

Oh crap I should have made a disclaimer true

I forgor

[wary moss]

I modded console fallout 4 and skyrim before

Some how

[karmic drum]

It's a closed art lol

Much gatekeeping. And instance that people actually display reading comprehension skills

[green bane]

Can add a disclaimer when I get home - schools about to start and I have some stuff after school

[karmic drum]

You're all good. I doubt we'll be swimming in false crash reports before the day is done

[green bane]

Nah just regular crash reports

XD

[karmic drum]

[forest valve]

fallout games are held together by hopes and dreams

i crash nearly daily in fo76

not while playing, just while tabbed out

if ur tabbed out, every second is a gamble

[karmic drum]

Bethesda games in general are held together by spit and pencil shavings

The fact that they can even classify as entertaining. Should be illegal

[forest valve]

ive been enjoying 76 quite alot personally, and i like to be hopeful about things, so hopefully the "next gen update" for 76 will be mindblowing and not like the one for 4 which did uhhh, nothing for graphical fidelity lmaoo

[tiny wagon]

Spotted

[trail ether]

and it would be very helpful if you did

[wary moss]

Aight ill havevto load it up tn, gotta restart my save cause idk what I was doing outside ragebaiting a garg in the void

[forest valve]

i can try helping and give you logs, and try to report issues ig, also like look into the unity values or whatever for some objects like doors

i know its gonna be a very unproper c2c experience

[trail plinth]

yeah it's gonna be a bit of a mixed bag

[wary moss]

forgot to check but @trail ether

@green bane any dependencies other than reikas mods i gotta install?

[wary moss]

backpedaling to redownload some stuff due to a potential lack of files in releases section, sorry for the ping

[worldly valve]

2.0 or legacy

[wary moss]

2.0 through redstones port

might have a lead, testing it rn

nope didnt work

alright kept running into the same error of build tool and item info missing so its not gonna work, unfortunately

at least not yet

testing at least auroresource shows promising info, it let me jailbreak the cutter

nevermind only worked once then stopped cutting

and that was after stripping down to only the direct mods needed

[wary moss]

i came, i saw, i tried, and then i was found torn limb from limb in the engine of a cyclops

only reason im hesitant to revert to legacy is because i gotta relocate all my ancient faves in legacy mode

[still drum]

its broken currently

[still drum]

Im just wanting to have the 2.0 stuff and try the mod out

[trail ether]

part of me is wondering if i should play the 2.0 port

maybe even stream it

[karmic drum]

Be a good way to validate it's integrity as a testing platform

[marble creek]

Well that's new to me

Perhaps regarding that i lost my previous c2c saves during a system reinstallation....

This could mean

Another opportunity for a playthrough

On a second thoght, bad idea. I still have a semester to pass

[forest valve]

would probably help you seeing issues that others may not notice

[green bane]

yeah same thats why its taking me so long to do stuff LMAO

[green bane]

it is VERY unstable rn and i havent had too much time to fix things yet (school)

soon™

[forest valve]

theres like 15 new mechanics, which ones dont work right

[wary moss]

Uhhh none of it worked when I tried

But I was on october 2025 Nautilus so it mightve been outdated mods, ill give it one more go with them after updating when im out of work tn

[still drum]

for 2.0?

JESUS CHRIST DISCORD

I PRESSED IT ONCE

[wary moss]

Yeah

[trail plinth]

ILL DO IT

Still gotta do the depot stuff

[spring mulch]

@green bane hey btw what version of nautilus works with it?

[still drum]

he really needs to put Nautilus in dependencies

[wary moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdlt64QBJ4w
more testing fo me

trying with modern nautilus rn

PROGRESS

NOT A MASSIVE WHEEL NO MO

and building doesnt softlock

phase 2 is trying to get the icons and shi to load

auroresource jailbroken cutter still only worked one time

no progress after getting past softlock

[fiery fiber]

Just watching you guys is giving me warm fuzzies. Good luck all!

[green bane]

latest

[still drum]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-16165693567743102551

yeah when i get home I've gotta check if .net framework is causing issues

[green bane]

Maybe it updated since I last looked?

Sorry been busy with life things like school and such

[forest valve]

just test versions until it works then

[marble creek]

Trial and error method wins once again

[still drum]

wait is .net framework even required?

idk why my pc was begging me to install it

[wary moss]

I think i got net framework from modding a different game

[trail ether]

.NET framework is just the C# runtime

you need it to run C# applications (which includes any unity game that is not IL2CPP)

it ships with windows now, and has for like a decade

it used to be a separate installer you had to run, like java still is

[warm smelt]

😭 no ecc library for me

[spring mulch]

Is it incomplete with mods as it showed no issues installing the new version but nothing from the mod is in my game. Also the dependencies don't include nautilus which is like the Qmod/smlhelper of 2.0 I think

[warm smelt]

Any other mods i should play c2c with

ive got the fcs ones and a map rn

[karmic drum]

Easy craft and building tweaks are two great choices

Do we have a c2c safe mod that let's me actively monitor my bases power drain. As in how many units of power are being used compared to what's being produced?

[karmic drum]

Oh, and resource monitor too

[karmic drum]

Similar to what they introduced in subnautica 2

[warm smelt]

doesnt fcs do that

idk been like a year since i last played sn modded

sn2 got me in a mood for subnnautica again

[karmic drum]

I mean it might. Doesn't help me dodge the hidden base game mechanic where your power grid absolutely dies and goes full negative if you accidentally spend more than you actually make. (Generator rates are different from what you see on your base hud, those are the generators internal energy storages)

[warm smelt]

ah

[karmic drum]

Guess I'll just have to be careful and make sure to have a strong power grind honestly

[warm smelt]

i never got to the part where i needed alot of power

24h in and still no laser cutter last time

[karmic drum]

Because I accidentally trigfer that mechanic SO MUCH 😭

[karmic drum]

Ah, yea once you get to the bioprocessor things get fun

[warm smelt]

just couldnt got the ||Nanocarbon || iirc

[karmic drum]

Well fortunately for you. That's no longer an ingredient in the laser cutter.

[warm smelt]

i had a werid visual bug so i literally just couldnt find any

[karmic drum]

Ah, yea that's something alright. A bug that just stops you from seeing the "signals" for it spawning sounds awful

[warm smelt]

if i looked a certain way the map just disappered

west from the lifepod the auroa disappered from perphial version

[karmic drum]

Ooof

[warm smelt]

was really annoying

[karmic drum]

||nanocarbon and electrolytes were the big things that killed my motivation on my last run||

[warm smelt]

"sea to sea didnt load" 😭

[karmic drum]

Oof. Yea the install process can trip you up if you've been gone a while

[warm smelt]

espically since no vortex for me

[karmic drum]

I never use vortex. So manually installing is second nature for me.

[warm smelt]

i just dont know why which is the more annoying thing

[karmic drum]

For me getting tripped up by the install is just my adhd putting a folder in the wrong spot

[barren oar]

reika's mods arent on nexus so vortex wouldnt help you anyway

[karmic drum]

Vortex is more annoying for me because I can't personally understand it when things go wrong. File paths are a lot easier on my brain

[warm smelt]

i just drop the file

[barren oar]

yeah youll have to do that

regardless of vortex or not

[warm smelt]

any way to know why sea to sea isnt loading

[modern ibex]

Does this mod buff the hull reinforcement or is it still useless? (the seamoth kind)

[karmic drum]

I think the hull reinforcements were improved...? But they're also an item that's very tedious to get your hands on.

[warm smelt]

is there specfic fcs version i need

[modern ibex]

really funny of reika to make the upgrade explode

[modern ibex]

i forgot where I should get the depth 1 properly

[warm smelt]

moonpool vehicle fabricator if its still vanilla

[modern ibex]

i wish it was

[spring mulch]

is there any mods that are incompatible?

[spring mulch]

https://github.com/Esper89/Subnautica-TerrainPatcher/releases/tag/v1.2.5

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/1262?tab=files

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/1457

these are the latest for rn @green bane

and idk if you can but can you make it work with Epic Structure loader and Mod Structure Helper so you and i can do Struture mods with the stuff in it?

[sterile cobalt]

how should i fix this error?

[trail ether]

wipe your install dir and start over

and given that it works for everyone else i would be far more careful about what mods you are adding that might be messing stuff up

or maybe you just have file issues on your PC

[worldly valve]

I believe based on hells reports the power issues got cleaner, specifucally with the batteries

[worldly valve]

Can you post logs?

[karmic drum]

I guess it's not actually a bug. Rather it's just a hidden trick in the games power system

[worldly valve]

Im not 100% sure of the issue you are speaking of

I recall getting a current issue

With the batteries

But its been a bit so its all hazy

[karmic drum]

Oh, I'm talking about the bit where the game will nuke your grid into the stone age if you accidentally use more raw power per second than you're making. Forcing you to reset all your generators. I am today years old learning that is a legitimate base subnautica mechanic

[worldly valve]

Ohhh...interesting

It must be basically imppsaible to do that in vanilla

But probably exceedingly easy in c2c

Mmm

I should have a seperate base just for my farm then

Even tho that kinda defeats the purpose...

|| i have a plan with auto farmers||

[karmic drum]

Yea. Especially because the power display on your hud isn't a true representation. That ui is more akin to... each generator having an internal battery. Whenever a machine runs out of currently produced power. Your base starts pulling from those "battiers" one, by one, by one. In the order they were built. When each battery is drained, that machine stops producing. And when the last generator you built runs out... you don't have a power grid again until you rebuild them all

This is where Reika's power storages are a god send. They store anything that isn't being used. And the base can pull from those instead of any generator batteries

[worldly valve]

They did work funny for awhile but again, pretty sure via hell it got fixed

One of those things were its basically impossible to adequately explain whats going on without knowing all the detaila

Just ends up as "base power seems weird af, sometimes i craft fast, sometimes it slows"

(Pre morale btw)

[hollow oracle]

Hi all. Just wasted 5 hours of my life trying to get smlhelper on belowzero and other mods to work and faild.

then i came across this mod for sn1. Is there a good solid guide or step by step to get this all installed correctly (only thing i have currently for sn1 is just the vanilla game)

[worldly valve]

The 2.0 port is unstable

Do you have legacy installed?

[hollow oracle]

I cant seem to install legacy from steam beta thing like i used to

[hollow oracle]

but yah... that'd be step one if i could get help with that

[untold kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/subnautica/comments/1p7y2qv/how_to_play_old_versions_of_subnautica_and_below/

[untold kiln]

Wow, morale drops even faster in the blood kelp trench than by the Aurora

[hollow oracle]

Alright, thanks. From there once i have legacy is there a how to guide / step by step to get everything needed for sea to sea work?

[untold kiln]

Look up QMod SAM on Nexus and follow the instructions on that page

Then launch Subnautica to have QMod SAM do its thing

Exit the game and find Reika's website where she has all her downloads, and download every single Subnautica mod she's made and drop them into your QMods folder

After that, you need a specific version of Terrain Patcher, iirc 0.4.0 or something

This one specifically

I would highly recommend downloading Radial Tabs too, make sure you download the Legacy version

As well as Easy Craft

[forest valve]

the mod also recommends installing radial tabs iirc

id personally also install the bag mod, adds 3 bags (3 different tiers, upgradable from the first to the last) which each increase your inventory capacity by 2 rows

[untold kiln]

oh that's neat

[hollow oracle]

think i got it all thanks a lot! green on everything QmodSAM.

[untold kiln]

😄 yw

[hollow oracle]

tho i need to ask lol... not noticing anything on launch thats different, dont see any mods in "options" is there something that should jump out at me letting me no its sea to sea lol?

[untold kiln]

I would assume there should be a Mods section under settings/options

Yes, there's an option for C2C, so it should show up as long as everything's loaded properly

[hollow oracle]

dunno... am i missing something obvious >.< ?

[untold kiln]

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/201 Did you get this?

[hollow oracle]

ha, i did tho i put the folder in mods folder. was last piece to the puzzle tho i think we got it this time^.^

not see'n a bag mod that does not game brokenly op tho haha

[untold kiln]

Man, this mod loves scavenger hunts

I've done 3 already

ded~1

They increase in difficulty as you go

[hollow oracle]

witch one?

nvm think i found it

theres an option for superbag. not forced in so XD

started off the day thinking man sub 2 was great cant wait for more. ive done enough vanilla runs i thought no way ill do it again without mods.

5 hours later think im finally setup tho 2-3 were wasted on trying to mod BZ and failed... probably something to do with not have'n legacy im sure.

tho i think this modpack gunna be way fun'r then any of that anyways and its all thanks to you Speedy! godsent for sure lol.

[forest valve]

keep in mind sn2 is still in early access and will be for like 2-3 years, so mods still have a long time to advance, though dont expect anything ambitious (like vehicles or new creatures) until sn2 is finished

[hollow oracle]

ah to be honest, that was the one play-through i'll do of sn2 untill its full release. i did way to many of the below-zero playthroughs with each release and by the time it came out... well... lol

[forest valve]

ye i might also wait until ea is done tbh

[untold kiln]

Yeah I finished the current story of SN2 over the release weekend, I'll probably hold off on playing it again for like a year or something

[modern ibex]

wrong ping?

[modern ibex]

how did that get here

[still drum]

Oh thats where reefy went

can you bring him to me my address is #### Dunes ave

look for sammy

[trail ether]

that happened to me constantly my last two playthroughs

[warm smelt]

Is there any specific version of FCS mods I need to use

[trail ether]

i have seen people report issues with others so i would lean to yes

I built all my compat for this one

[warm smelt]

ok ty

[trail ether]

is there one that is actually newer?

though FCS keeps undergoing rewrites so i am not sure it is worth updating yet

[warm smelt]

on the website it says 1.0.2

[trail ether]

i would be very surprised if such a small increment had a lot of breaking changes

then again maybe they rewrite and refactor when they feel like it

[warm smelt]

Cus im really confused that i add altera hub (the core fcs mod) and then c2c wont load anymore

[trail ether]

what

[warm smelt]

i add fcs altera hub then it says sea to sea didnt load

when i remove its fine

[trail ether]

what is the error

also your water looks...off

like ripply glass

[warm smelt]

idk what the error is it just says it couldnt load

[trail ether]

in the log

[warm smelt]

Where do i find the error?

[warm smelt]

QModManager:ERROR] Invoking the specified entry method "PostLoad" failed for mod "ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea"
[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.Exception: Method GetMultiplier not found in FCS_EnergySolutions.Mods.AlterraGen.Mono.AlterraGenPowerManager
at ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.InstructionHandlers.patchMethod (HarmonyLib.Harmony h, System.Type methodHolder, System.String name, System.Reflection.Assembly patchHolder, System.Action`1[T] patch) [0x0008a] in <8edd89f072414e079208a12a13b1e259>:0
at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.FCSIntegrationSystem.doApplyPatches () [0x008d8] in <3b7fc83aaeaf451bb159b90d4d2f4b2c>:0
at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.FCSIntegrationSystem.applyPatches () [0x00034] in <3b7fc83aaeaf451bb159b90d4d2f4b2c>:0
at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.C2CIntegration.addPostCompat () [0x01407] in <3b7fc83aaeaf451bb159b90d4d2f4b2c>:0
at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.SeaToSeaMod.PostLoad () [0x00339] in <3b7fc83aaeaf451bb159b90d4d2f4b2c>:0
at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00032] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00048] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at QModManager.Patching.QModPatchMethod.TryInvoke () [0x00034] in <17412a3abc4a4e4196c5a94d73183573>:0

been told thats the error

[modern ibex]

Is freely swapping propulsion/ repulsion cannons intended, or should it be an unlock?

[karmic drum]

It's intended iirk

[modern ibex]

rare c2c buff

[karmic drum]

It was actually to solve a pesky bug with dupping the mods battery iirk

[modern ibex]

not sure why my setup considers scrolling as backslash

[trail plinth]

Yeah its a bit annoying to see the popup but you quickly forget about it

[modern ibex]

A reginald managed to eat my stalker chew toy

❓

[worldly valve]

I think its also since both have their own use

[karmic drum]

Both have their own uses in c2c. And there's no sense in taking up 8 inventory slots for equipment

[wary moss]

Was it upon first load or did you exit a save and try to go right back in

I vaguely remember a disclaimer about mod loading potentially breaking when reloading a save without closing the game and reopening

[worldly valve]

Yee inventory space already limited

[sterile cobalt]

it was upon loading a new game.

[trail plinth]

Oh god, 2.0 im assuming?

What else is in/attached to the acu?

[trail plinth]

Me, humbly hauling my laser cutter into the ILZ

In all seriousness i regularly have between 1/3 and 1/2 of my inventory dedicated to tools and equipment

[untold kiln]

I gotta say, it's quite concerning, seeing my morale meter drop by 25 in one shot while tooling around in the shallow areas of the blood kelp zone

[trail plinth]

I just load up my seamoth storages with resources during bulk resource collection. At least until i get the prawn

[trail plinth]

Well, it does match 9 of the 13 things that instill fear in humans

Or something like that

[untold kiln]

True

But this also means that the BKZ/T are straight-up impassable without Seamoth depth upgrades