SeaToSea

[trail plinth]

for context, I'm doing a recorded playthrough with reika breathing down my neck watching in order to make sure things don't go horribly wrong for the recording, among other things

[unreal flame]

still need that pack before I do my next

[trail plinth]

what pack?

[trail ether]

you wanted FCS, among other things

i need to make that pack

[pine ginkgo]

I was thinking about recording this playthrough, however you wouldn’t really get to see my thinking process since I know most of the progression very well

And that is what would make it interesting imo

Otherwise you’re just pretty much watching a fetch quest

[ocean orbit]

if you think about it, most survival/craft games if you boil them down to their core, are prolonged fetch quests.

like how if you've played one clicker game, you've basically played them all

[pine ginkgo]

True

But C2C has a lot more thought behind fetching

[karmic drum]

I actually prefer to see people who know what they're doing so that I can watch, learn, disect, and re-engineer what they've done

[pine ginkgo]

Because there is not one saying “go to this location for this specific item”

In C2C its clues about what you need to fetch

[pine ginkgo]

Thats fair, but that kind of goes against the c2c philosophy

[karmic drum]

Well yea, I wouldn't wanna watch anything I hadn't already done myself

It's more so I just like learning how other people do things for the sake of perspective

[pine ginkgo]

Fair enough yea

[trail plinth]

Yeah my run is a mix of figuring things out and trying to pretend that I dont know other things already

[pine ginkgo]

Lol I tend to try and keep the progression intact even though I could go ahead

like ||Im waiting until I get the sunbeam rendezvous before visiting the mountain island and getting the azurite battery||

[trail plinth]

I did that as well, same with ||waiting for the keen lifepod signal before going to the floating islands||

[ocean orbit]

i think i found out where a larger chunk of FPS loss comes from later on in C2C, i've noticed the thermal vents in the safe shallows, just keep stockpiling dead cooked fish

and that's not even all of them at this vent

[unreal flame]

that happens in the basegame too

[ocean orbit]

ah lol

how do you get rid of Phytoplankton? i dont mind a spoiler answer, its all over my base, and getting poisoned whenever i want to go into my base, which completely drains all of my Morale, really sucks

it wasnt there 10 minutes ago

[trail plinth]

Wonder if itd be possible to have some kind of despawn timer for rotted cooked fish

[unreal flame]

you could probably put an additional tier of 'rot' that triggers such a despawn

[karmic drum]

It's perhaps a bit inconvenient. But you could put some minimal outposts over several of the vents, low as you can, outfitted with an item collector and no storage besides trashcans

That would slowly combat some of build up

[trail ether]

this is agood idea

remind me later

[trail plinth]

Yippeee

[ocean orbit]

hey Reika, is it posisble to get rid of the phytoplankton like in that image i posted above? i build my base here, but it comes back every so often

am i going to have to move my base?

constantly losing morale when i want to go in and out of my base sucks.

[trail ether]

no

[untold kiln]

Is there a list somewhere that lists the differences between regular and hard mode for C2C?

[trail ether]

my site lists a few, and gives generalities for a few others

it is not comprehensive

it is quite a long list

nothing really spoilery but just a pain to collate, not to mention it changes

but in general hard mode is not hard survival, but hard as in "more forceful", as in more demanding of the player and more rigidly controlling what you can or should do

for example tweaking recipes to use more of certain producible ingredients, to ensure you did so rather than manually mined it

or changing numbers to nerf "easy" options
or making certain normally-nonessential things still mandatory

https://github.com/search?q=repo%3AReikaKalseki%2FSeaToSea hardmode&type=code

in very very general, hardmode will make you craft/collect/produce about 40% more, will extend the playthrough by about 25%, will reduce the "grace period/range" on things, and above all will make you play as I intend C2C to be played

[untold kiln]

Ty for the response 😄

My biggest two questions are if the purple tablet fragments and the Seamoth depth module changes are from hard mode or just base C2C

If those changes are from hard mode, then fair, but if they're from base C2C, that's just not fun, that's annoying af

[marble creek]

Personally I just have a moonpool which i use to enter and exit the base via seamoth, i also put my farms a bit further away from the base so I can use them comfortably until I find a solution to the plankton problem ||(Or until i get the electrochemical suit, which i believe will protect me from the plankton)||

[marble creek]

I'm playing with the fcs modpack installed, I repaired the wreck and accesed the fcs pda but got no blueprints. Is this beacuse of c2c or did something go wrong?

[unreal flame]

C2C alters FCS progression such that you are purchasing recipes rather than building packages

[marble creek]

ok, but in order to buy I need credits, which I get by using the ore consumer

and if I have to buy the ore consumer blueprint

then it doesn't make much sense

cuz I dont have any credits

[karmic drum]

You don't. The basic data boxes needed to get started with the mod have been scattered around the map

[marble creek]

makes sense

[trail plinth]

Theres definitely something to help with the phytoplankton that youre able to get as early as the start of a playthrough

[errant cairn]

@trail ether how do your mods check their version?

I mean what do they check against?

I have the downloaded version in my app, but idk what to check it against

[trail ether]

i mentioned it previously

that file in the github repo

[errant cairn]

I'll spend some more time looking then

[ocean orbit]

does c2c change power tranmstters? im having issues where a power transmitter isnt connecting past a certain point

right now im trying to run connections from my base in the mushroom forest to the underwater islands thermal

but the connectors arnt connecting past a certain point

[ocean orbit]

nevermind appear to have found my issue, it appears the floating ones are a bit buggy

[worldly valve]

I think a lot of pwople have struggled yo get thwm to go very very far but good work

[trail plinth]

Theyre a bit finnicky, and stop working even when they should be working, but iirc their range is either unchanged or increased

The only thing to keep in mind is that they have very short range when connecting to something other than a transmitter

[vocal bronze]

i’m sure this gets asked all the time but i can’t find any information on it, but does Reika plan to ever port their mods to the latest subnautica version? they seem incredible but im a sucker for the large rooms in 2.0

[marble creek]

Floating transmitters also used to disconnect when reloading save files so it might be necessary for you to use normal ones

[marble creek]

2.0 port is planned, but it will be like 2-5 years until its ready

[forest valve]

she will start when nautilus is out of beta

[marble creek]

damn

[marble creek]

wonder if it will ever get out of here

[trail plinth]

Unlikely, it will forever be trapped among the shrooms

[worldly valve]

All hail great great lord Cthulu on this great holiday! Our lord from the deep!

[pine ginkgo]

Probably not even when nautilus has a stable release

Its that plus when she feels like it

[trail plinth]

Iirc Reika has said that she would start working on it sometime in 2026. I vaguely remember something related to nautilus, but i cant say for sure

Ah this is what I was thinking of

[marble creek]

Is this "something" a plant?

[trail plinth]

Could be, a lot of plants are available from the start of the game

I think you already have it too

[marble creek]

I have planted ||toungelilies|| all around my base, no idea if its going to work, but still its worth a try

Yeah, it didn't work

[trail plinth]

What was your metric of 'working'?

Cause your idea of 'working' may be different from what 'working' is supposed to look like

[marble creek]

I believe the amount of plankton has not changed at all, even right next to the plants

[trail plinth]

Whats the distribution of them like? Did you just fill a growbed and call it a day or did you spread them out more? Also if theres a lot of plankton, then whatever method you find would likely take some time to make a sizeable dent in it

[marble creek]

I distributed them like this, that's literally 8 growbeds full of toungelillies. I think its more than you can find naturally in the game lol

Thankfully their tendrils take like 3 minutes to regrow so getting them wasn't such a pain in the ass

[restive hornet]

so,,, any updates to this mod? last time i played ||the sunbeam debri didn't spawn, among some wrecks||

[trail plinth]

I think having too many of them might be part of the problem (growbeds full of them in particular). Reika has implemented many diminishing returns mechanics to avoid spamming like this, so keep that in mind

[trail plinth]

There have been many updates in the past few months

[pine ginkgo]

I like how theres a voice line when you make the Seamoth about making sure you still swim occasionally, but the morale kinda contradicts this by making using the seamoth far better than swimming (at least in terms of morale)

We need an "exercise" meter 😭

[trail plinth]

Seamoth go wheeeeee

[pine ginkgo]

meters for everything

should make it mandatory to sleep

make it mandatory to use the bathroom

just life simulator

[trail plinth]

To be fair id imagine theres a sense of feeling more secure in a vehicle, rather than freeswimming

[pine ginkgo]

yea for morale absolutely

it might be a little too easy to get morale with it though

[trail plinth]

Especially on an alien planet with predators and other dangerous things everywhere

[trail plinth]

The seamoth has been my primary mode if transportation for most of my playthrough, and I think the morale bonus was nerfed a bit, but otherwise its not particularly strong passed a certain point

[pine ginkgo]

||I would just use azurite seaglide but with morale I may need to use the seamoth a bit more||

In my first playthrough ||I stumbled accross the bacterial colonies in the mushroom forest just from exploring. Is there any sort of PDA entry or something that hints to them?||

[forest valve]

its already basically 100% all the time

[silk pond]

something that would be cool is if throughout your playthrough you became slightly faster bc ur getting more fit or smth like that

[pine ginkgo]

I was gonna say maybe the more you craft a specific item the faster it crafts, but its not actually the player making it so it wouldn't make much sense

besides there are production rooms for that reason

[worldly valve]

I have no proof but i feel so partially reapinaiboe for seaglide being so awful now hahahaha

I recall mentioning i hadnt built seamoth until after sunbeam crash or something like that

[fiery fiber]

Ya ducks you ruined it for us by saying that out loud 😋

[worldly valve]

I mean i think there are others but...

Twould be arrogant to assume i take full reaponsibility🥲i.hope

[untold kiln]

RPG mod

[fiery fiber]

Wow that's cool. I wonder if that would disrupt the balance of c2c? Although I don't really think so and from an immersion stabs it certainly could make sense

[karmic drum]

If you ignore the malnutrition and mercury poisoning Riley is fighting off then sure

[trail plinth]

Swim speed is generally a balancing factor for a lot of things in c2c, mostly pois and ||below 400m pre recirculation mask, and below 500m with liquid breathing||. I don't think that increasing player movespeed would break all progression in c2c of course, but it would absolutely be a pain to go through every part of c2c where swim speed matters and determine if going x amount faster would break that particular part of progression or not

[unreal flame]

What mercury poisoning

[trail plinth]

ambient effect when you land on the planet mercury

[unreal flame]

Good thing Ryley didn’t land there

[trail plinth]

for sure, the Kharaa has nothing on mercury poisoning

[karmic drum]

Maybe the fabricator just cooks all the chemicals that normally lead to mercury poisoning from excessive fish consumption out of the fish

[trail plinth]

well, it does dispose of things like organs and bones, so that adds up

[karmic drum]

Bro probably is still incredibly malnourished though.... well I mean maybe not. It's a far flung future with a propensity towards synthetic foods. So maybe human dietary requirements have changed

It's also just a video game. These things are just fun for me to think about

But honestly an exercise through gameplay mod does sound fun. I enjoy those in longer, less initial power fantasy skyrim runs

[trail plinth]

mfw c2c adds a stamina meter, and how much you exercise + what you tend to eat is what determines how much stamina you have

[worldly valve]

Im not sure the planet wouod have the same nercurt poisoning problems we do with fish

[unreal flame]

mercury poisoning from fish is an (almost) entirely anthropogenic occurrence

[trail plinth]

I like your funny words magic man

[unreal flame]

we caused it by burning coal

[trail plinth]

ah yeah I just googled it, interesting

[unreal flame]

in addition it's a far lesser issue in herbivorous fish

[trail plinth]

oh right salmon eat other fish

[unreal flame]

(it gets worse as you go up because fish eat other fish that have mercury and it accumulates)

you're thinking of tuna

[trail plinth]

I'm not thinking 💀

[unreal flame]

salmon are generally okay in terms of mercury level iirc. far from the worst offender, at least

[unreal flame]

the fabricator is seemingly only able to apply existing chemical processes to the creation of something. it's not really capable of extracting something from a medium unless assisted (see: bladderfish being used to filter water) or using destructive means.

technically this means you probably could use it to extract mercury from a fish,
at the expense of the fish.

in essence it's a combination of a chemical processor and an extremely high-resolution multimaterial 3D printer

[trail plinth]

Doesn't it remove bones/organs/eyes somehow as well?

[unreal flame]

that it does

presumably destructively. that part's probably more "tell-don't-show" but i'd imagine in real life it'd be filleting the fish

[trail plinth]

ah but they're more like, entire things that can be removed, whereas mercury would be more dispersed in the blood/flesh kind of thing

fair enough then

mercury poisoning unlocked

[unreal flame]

it also probably doesn't remove eyes or major nutritious organs if present

at least, you'd be losing a lot of nutrition removing the eyes of anything in the peeper family

[trail plinth]

"The fabricator cooks small organisms, while disposing of the skeletal structure, bodily fluids and internal organs, thus rendering them safe for human consumption."

ah it was body fluids, not eyes

[unreal flame]

ah, fair

fabricator could probably sift through one of those really poisonous delicacy fish that have to be cut super precise or it kills you

[trail plinth]

oh for sure, like pufferfish

[unreal flame]

yeah

but without some form of chemical assistance, it couldn't neutralize the areas that are poisonous without destroying them completely

[trail plinth]

yeeee

[unreal flame]

in contrast, precursor fabricator technology likely is capable of nanoscale manipulation of matter, but they're seemingly still limited by materials science otherwise

this is mainly evidenced by the existence of an emerald mining operation by the precursors in below zero

this probably means they're capable of performing chemical processes that would otherwise be ruined by any imprecision

[unreal flame]

(this in particular is also the basis for RotA's ion cube variations, as there's no evidence of them mining the other forms of beryl found near their deeper bases)

[trail plinth]

oooooh, interesting

tbf I haven't played too far into below zero so I have little context for more precursor-oriented things that weren't present/obvious/implied in subnautica

[trail ether]

tuna are apex predators

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/ggevMU5.png

[trail plinth]

mmmmm yummy, microplastics

[ocean orbit]

maraxis W

missed opportunity to use subnautica music for the planet tho

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/0gO9i4d.jpeg
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/subnautica-concept-odyssey-science-sub-5d0c38913be342d7bc0a571b31eeaa36

[ocean orbit]

oh snap

[ocean orbit]

Question, when you said this ||were you refeering to the electrochemical suit, or the phytoplankton spreader? if so we have very different definitions of "start of a playthrough"||

||or neither?||

[trail ether]

no

[ocean orbit]

alright cool.

[trail plinth]

if it's not available at the very start of a playthrough, it's not what I was referring to

[tawny igloo]

hello guys! im just started playing this mod and have a question, ||i've found 16/17 purple tablet fragments . Am i blind or last fragment in other place (not mountain island). ||Please help, i've been searching for 3 hours

[trail plinth]

Did you get the one you find in vanilla on the ||floating island||?

[tawny igloo]

Yes, i did

[trail plinth]

I was stuck on 16/17 for a bit as well, I just got lucky enough to see a spot i didnt recognize and found the fragment in there

[worldly valve]

The light disk tool, or alternatively just usng titanium chunks hansel and grettle style, can be very helpful

This is a common area to get stuck on for a bit

[pine ginkgo]

Honestly its kind of wild how much faster progression is once you know where things are and what you need to do

Sure some of the crafting is a bit grindy but its still way faster all around

[worldly valve]

Its pretty easy to have ideas and tangents that go no where you want them to for many hours🥲

[keen wind]

I have a similar problem with my storage room. There is a counter inside of my storage room that sections it in half, and i really enjoy the look that it creates, but for some reason, placing that counter down immediately disqualifies the room as a storage room and ||all my lockers' capacities are halved because of a single counter.||
I had to do weird shit when placing it down to make the base register it as being technically outside and not in the base, just so i could have a little counter in my storage room ||without halving my storage capacity, ||though this also causes a lighting bug that sorta kills the point of me even putting the counter there.
Last thing i can think of is trashcans, which are one of my favorite decorations in the game, because they make a place feel significantly more 'lived in' and work really well in numerous situations, but under this room system,|| placing a trashcan detracts from the decoration score by not an insignificant amount (about a whole point off if you place a trashcan iirc, and this goes for both trashcans too)|| which is, again, very frustating because it makes me have to once more choose between efficiency or a pretty looking seabase, which is also counterintuitive to what i presume the whole point of the decoration score is -- giving actual functional purpose to decorative items
-# i know that the trashcan also technically has a use, but, like, come on. Its decor, at the very least it should be neutral and not negative.

This is already going on for far longer than i wouldve hoped so apologies, so ill skimp out a bit on my morale woes and only touch on the biggest ones but im open to talk further about it if anyone is actually interested in what im saying, but my goal here isnt to flood this channel with complaints as much as it is to give feedback on the systems.

I actually really love the idea of a morale system in a game like this, as psychological health should be just as important as physical health in situations like this, and so, even in vanilla, i tend to play in a way somewhat akin to what this system encourages -- i like to build pretty bases, take time off to relax, and eat a variety of things instead of just living off of reginalds and bladderfish, so on paper, this would be a match made in heaven, but at this point the morale meter is just an incredible nuisance at pretty much all times, and seems to be actively encouraging me to play the game in a way that seems counterintuitive to its purpose ||(such as quickly downing a bunch of kelp and random fish to top it off on the go, which feels both silly and just not very fun)||
the actual affect of low morale i have no issue with, but it seems to be way, way too easy to lose morale, and way, way too hard to gain it, at least from what ive seen. (I could very well be missing some crucial thing and thats on me if thats the case)

Theres parts of it that i really love, like || ive learned to start packing some vending machine snacks on journeys as a morale boost , and i find that actually really cool, and something that feels pretty realistic||, but things like immediately having all my will to survive zapped away just because || i touched the funny glowing plankton for 2 seconds, or got minor burns from a geyser || is very aggravating, to say the least.
||im also pretty much perpetually losing morale inside of my seabase, and the only way i imagine i can stop that from happening is just cramming a bunch more decorations inside of already decoration filled rooms (or at least, ones that im content with and feel i have sufficiently pretty-ified. Of all the rooms in my seabase, the only one that i get any possitive morale regeneration inside of is my living quarters, and even then, i only was able to do that by putting a bunch of random valuable shit on pedestals. Im alright with positive morale regen requiring you to go really all out when decorating, but i find losing morale almost constantly inside of what i would say is a decently decorated base to be very mindboggling||
okay final thing, i promise -- i really think the ||stillsuit morale loss should be heavily reduced. Not removed, because obviously drinking filtered piss water isnt the greatest thing in the world, but from what ive experienced, drinking a single stillsuit water reduces your morale by 50, and i find this both very weird, and very condradictory to the point of this mod. Not only does it rob the stillsuit (something id argue is already very underused) of any real usefulness it had, but it also actively works against the whole point of the stillsuit and the mod, that being the need to explore and go out on long expeditions for the sake of discovery. The stillsuit would normally facilitate much longer expeditions, yet use of the stillsuit instead hinders your exploration because it slows you down to a crawl.||

just realized the first part of this message got automodded because it had too many images hehe
included some images showing exactly what i mean by all of these but ill just skip out on those i suppose

-# This wouldve gone at the top the previous chunk
apologies for the rant, i absolutely love this mod, and i dont want this to come across as complaining for the sake of complaining, but i do still want to express my frustation with some systems in the hopes that it might be constructive. I'm not sure how anyone else feels about this but i am very open to discussion and seeing what others think here.

Im the kind of person who really enjoys habitat building, and making my living place real cozy and enjoyable. I try to avoid metagaming too much and do my best to just vibe and experience the game as comfy as possible.
Issue with this is that theres two systems ive come back to after not playing this mod for a decent while (morale, and room types*) that seem to be designed with the intent of preventing metagaming and encouraging the use of otherwise "useless" things (like decor), and yet im at a point where they are either making me having to metagame to get around them, or are just generally very contradictory and get in the way both of eachother, and the way that i tend to prefer going about this game.
*:(room types could have existed when i last played, i dont entirely remember, but i dont think they had this much of an impact at least?)

I'll start with decor, as that also ties into morale a bit. The biggest frustration here for me is that i am punished for decorating a room in a way that i enjoy, because more often than not, doing so will invalidate that room and make it unassigned, hindering its efficiency. I get that mixing several different machines or room types inside of one room would make it an unassigned room (that is very understandable!), but i'm unable to place something as simple as a little table and chair inside of my greenhouse, lest i be punished and no longer get the bonuses i would otherwise get, and i just find that really frustrating. I don't want to have to choose between efficiency and a pretty looking room, especially over something so tiny.

[fiery fiber]

That was a good read! Hopefully some useful info or changes can come from it

[karmic drum]

I'm.... not gonna touch that

[trail ether]

this needs a long response

i am too tired for thta right now

[abstract knoll]

Just got back from a very long hiatus from existing, what should I do to play C2C now that legacy branch has evaporated, dont know if I should ask here or if this is a help and support channel type of question?

also for updating C2C do i need to restart my save or do i just need to replace current C2C files with updated version?

[fiery fiber]

I believe there's a pin as to how to downgrade. I have yet to succeed but I k ow it's prolly my fault. Also you'll prolly definitely maybe (hehe) absolutely need a new save and replace all files

Actually I think bread once it's better to remove and replace all files

Ack ... p.s. I'm talking this youtuber who does survival games to play c2c. His name's Rooslahn. I have to remember to remind him not to spoil stuff. I already told him some of reika's design philosophy tho and he's pretty good about that stuff I think

[abstract knoll]

well rip me \

was pretty far in my save too

also yea theres a pin in the help and support thing with the legacy branch

so thats gonna be next year thing for me

[trail ether]

well it is next year now

[abstract knoll]

different time zones

still 11:14pm for me

[fiery fiber]

I remember being at a thing for new years and people were all scared about y2k. And I asked a simple question asking which time zone is it supposed end in. Pepple got all pissed at me and kicked me out. Sheesh

[abstract knoll]

would someone here happen to have the legacy branch depot name/code?

actually nvm

doin a full wipe of files yipppppeeee

[abstract knoll]

yea that security vulnerability is a big fat nope from me dawg

[keen wind]

Do what feels right to you, as its obviously your pc, but its not as bad as it sounds. For one, there has to already be malware on your system for it to even be a concern

[abstract knoll]

yea, have not been pushed to win 11 so im tightening up my security aloooot

used to have Norton, shit was incredibly useless,

[forest valve]

oh wait since ibought my motherboard new i just have a CD with a norton subscription on it lol

[abstract knoll]

dont use it

its incredibly shit, it doesnt work, its pretty much kernal level, and its basically malware

constant popups

you have to log in to the shit ass program to uninstall it or else it sits on your pc giving you pop ups. and even while you have an active subscription to Norton, it constantly forces pop ups which force themselves to the front of the screen disrupting whatever you're doing.

[abstract knoll]

example

yea live with family, no way in hell anything remotely like that touches my pc. most of my virus concerns are from the fact I like to mod alot of my games, eg minecraft, fallout 3/NV/4, and Subnautica

[normal rune]

my parents had another one of those, similar to Norton (WebRoot i think?) and after it expired, it starting reporting a very strange virus message they couldnt figure out.... well, since it was expired, they asked for my help to get rid of it. i get there, dig around where it says the virus is, locate the files, etc etc...... turns out it was false positive set up to trigger on the antivirus's own files after it expired

[abstract knoll]

Yeeep

[normal rune]

to be entirely fair to those companies, this was over a decade ago..... but i dont honestly expect it to have gotten any better, just sneakier

[keen wind]

How are you intended to deal with morale ||after becoming green™||? Im at a point where i dont even see the point in trying to actively maintain it because its back down to zero within ~5 minutes
I already felt like it was very overtuned but now its basically just sorta become an ||"eat some chips when you want to craft" meter||
I was also hoping ||the cyclops|| would help with the issue a bit, ||but it doesnt seem to give any morale when piloting which is a shame||

[trail plinth]

I'm at the point where you are, and while I'm usually at 0 morale for a lot of the time, I usually just utilize ||my leisure room|| any time I plan to do some crafting. Otherwise I haven't run into any real problems at my current stage of the game with having 0 morale other than getting hungry/thirsty faster

[foggy thistle]

couldn't morale be just a part of hard mode instead of an obligatory obstacle?

[keen wind]

i very much agree with this, unless morale in its current state gets a bunch of tweaks. Ive said before that im someone who takes this game pretty slowly and i'm really big on decorating and kitting out my habitats to be cozy and hom-ey, yet morale has been nothing short of a miserable experience thus far in my playthrough (mostly the slow crafting part of it), but the root issue is that it just drains way too much to where im basically always being penalized for no apparent reason.
Its also forcing limitations upon how i can decorate, since a lot of incredibly arbitrary things seem subtract from the decoration score, ||(trashcans, eyeeyes in aquariums(??), etc)|| meanwhile the only way ive really found to reliably increase it in large amounts is to just cram a bunch of item displays and plant pots into already-decorated rooms which is something that i really dont want to do for multiple reasons

[karmic drum]

This is.... again... I'm not getting involved in this. I will get banned for being mean to people

[keen wind]

if you think my points are dumb, you can go to town on me, i wont be offended :p im just speaking my mind

im curious what others think anyways

[trail ether]

i have been too busy to address this

but I will say that core systems being hard-only is never ever going to happen

tuning yes

existence never

[keen wind]

seems fair enough

[trail plinth]

Not sure how your experience has been before ||the greenening||, mine was relatively tame compared to a lot of the 'game ending/ruining' talk I've seen from the channel so far. Granted, my playthrough encompassed numerous tweaks to the system, so there could have been pain points that I missed that other people are encountering. The slow crafting is a pain, yes, but outside of that and slower swim speed, there wouldn't really be a noticable penalty for not taking care of your morale. Even slow swim speed can be circumvented with using the seamoth for most of the game.
The ||leisure room|| seems to be more or less available/accessible the moment you're able to build a seabase (I could be wrong), and I never actually ended up making one until far later into my playthrough, and I still find the things that people complain about to be far more exaggerative than anything I encountered, even during a patch that plummeted my morale to 0 until it was fixed (not referring to the ||sunbeam event||). It could just be my playstyle or maybe I have strong biases that have led to me thinking that the low morale penalties just aren't that big of a deal. I've had to slowcraft plenty of things, and the only time I ever get annoyed is if I click too quickly and reset the crafting menu by accident--ie a player error, my own fault

I don't want what I'm saying to sound like 'your negative experience is wrong', I more want there to be a perspective that A, isn't Reika, and B, isn't just "the morale system is bad" that you'd probably get from here

I think part of my bias may just be a differing perspective from most of the playerbase. The idea that the slow crafting menu is miserable or some kind of really really negative thing is just not how I see it. At worst it feels like a bit of an inconvenience, but unless I'm trying to craft all the components of a cyclops in one go on 0 morale I really don't find it that bad. Same with the swim speed penalty--unless I'm doing something that specifically requires good speed and more precise timing, I'm not going to complain about moving a bit slower than usual (also because most of the time I just use the seamoth anyway). The only penalty to low morale that actually affects me in any meaningful way is the extra drain on hunger and thirst. Not a complaint towards that penalty, but I find the increased hunger and thirst rates to be much more of a penalty than slow crafting or slow swimming, especially early to midgame

[trail ether]

to me it sounds like perhaps the specific numbers - deco thresholds, morale decay rates, etc - might need adjusting

but that is a far cry from the core mechanic being fundamentally problematic

[keen wind]

These are all good points, and i do agree with many of them. I definitely dont find the system to be such a burden that its ruining the whole experience, nor do i particularly hate the idea of the mechanic itself. I agree that most of the downsides of low morale are somewhat irrelevant and circumvented relatively easily, as you went over, but my pain comes more from the fact that at a certain point of game progression, even attempting to manage it began to feel completely pointless, and it became a near-permanent debuff that ive just had to live with; Crafting is annoying, but its not the end of the world, swim speed becomes far less relevant after getting a vehicle, food/water is problematic but not a death sentence, but i stopped enjoying the mechanic when all of these drawbacks started to become constant, with no real way to alleviate them for any more than a couple of minutes.
I feel a system like this would make a lot more sense if the values changed in much slower increments (both increasing and decreasing), so it becomes something in the background that you have to keep an eye on, but not something that you can drain to zero or up to 100 in the span of a few minutes/seconds ||(excluding story event stuff, like the sunbeam being shot down capping your morale at 0 for a bit, which i do find pretty neat and a lot less problematic because its a one time event)||

[errant cairn]

oh god

[karmic drum]

Regardless of how short of a frontal lobe I find you to be acting... server rules are server rules, you probably have at least a few solid points, and I'd rather not make a fool of myself for no good reason

[errant cairn]

i dont even WANNA get back into c2c

[keen wind]

i understand no worries
-# (also im stealing that insult, thats a good one)

[errant cairn]

-# permanently borrowing without asking*

[karmic drum]

You're both welcome

[errant cairn]

-# or strategically transporting equipment to another location

[karmic drum]

Okay, now back to my satisfactory addiction

[trail plinth]

When you're referring to a certain point in game progression where managing it becomes pointless, are you specifically referring to ||the infection symptoms worsening||? I said before that I've passed that point as well, and my morale sits at a comfortable 0 outside of a few locations, but even still it hasn't really affected much of my gameplay other than utilizing ||my leisure room|| before any sort of crafting in my base. Then outside of that I haven't really had much issue with the swim speed, and hunger/thirst is just an exercise in how well I stock up on food/whether I slap a growbed, water filter and an ACU in certain locations

If anything I'm finding that morale has become much more of a background mechanic that I only really notice if I'm going to be crafting, otherwise at my current point I'm more focused/distracted on the progression hurdles in front of me

[keen wind]

for the most part yes, and while i do think it makes quite a lot of sense, i think its very overtuned, and should make it more difficult to keep full, but not essentially impossible, as it is now

[trail plinth]

That is fair yeah, I do think that once morale is below a certain threshhold there's a stronger force that tries to keep it from going below said threshhold, but as for how to implement that I wouldn't know how

Granted I think that already exists, and the accumulated morale debuffs from an entire playthrough may just be too much for it to keep up

[keen wind]

if it helps to get my thoughts across better, im viewing this more from a perspective of annoyance stemming from completely lacking a means to deal with the root cause of the debuffs, and instead being forced to work around them, as youre describing

[trail plinth]

I do understand that yeah, at the stage of hte game we're at we're less able to rely on ||leisure rooms|| to maintain high amounts of morale, because it simply drains too quickly (for me it takes 2-3 minutes but my estimate could be wrong, it's been like a month since I played)

[keen wind]

pretty much spot on w/ this

[trail plinth]

And considering most of my time is either ||in the cyclops|| or one of my seabases in the ||lost river/ILZ|| or just exploring in ||the ILZ|| then yeah keeping morale up becomes both impossible, but also less of a priority for those specific tasks, at least for me

Granted, one of my outpost bases is in a specific biome that's really nice for morale, so that's been helping in place of a dedicated leisure room at that specific location, but otherwise yeah, my morale is usually at 0 if I'm outside of that area or outside of my ||leisure room||

[keen wind]

mm, im currently in the same position and i just find it strange how it becomes a thing that just ends up being ignored unless needed at any specific moment.

[trail plinth]

I mean it kind of makes sense, at least to me--hunger and thirst are in a similar boat, where you just have machines to print water for you in large quantities, growbeds and ACUs to get as much food as you could ever want or need, and unless you're away from any source of food/water for a really long time (cough ||void|| cough choke) you don't really need to interact much with hunger/thirst very much passed the early to midgame. You more or less 'solve' them.
By this point in the progression, morale feels almost similarly irrelevant outside of realizing your crafting menu is slow. Food and water are already solved, so unless you're taking a long trip to ||the void|| you're not really going to care much for the increased drain on hunger/thirst since that's more or less solved already--and you're likely not swimming very much passed the point your morale becomes this bad anyway. Which just leaves the slow crafting, which I generally do in batches either in my main base ||with my leisure room nearby to recharge||, or in the other location that's good for morale. Overall I think at this point these things become so irrelevant to the game because you're so close to the end (at least I think, I have no idea how much is actually left for me to do before I can rid myself of the Khaara)

[keen wind]

fair enough fair enough

[pine ginkgo]

At what point do you actually become “infected”? Post trying to disabled QEP for the first time? I haven’t bothered to do that yet since I don’t need the ||laser cutter upgrade yet||.

I’m getting close to ||liquid breathing|| in this run which will be exciting. I’m honestly most excited to see ||tonguelillies|| working as intended though.

[pine ginkgo]

If this increase the default rate that morale depletes I guess Ill hold off for as long as possible

[trail ether]

among other things i think morale needs a PDA page

perhaps a whole new "survival strategies" category

with other things also included

[marble creek]

I think I accidentally found a way to duplicate azurite batteries, I will try to replicate this bug and then describe the process in which it occured

Unless it's a known issue

[trail ether]

it is not

[tawny igloo]

how does one obtain ||ghost membrane||

[foggy thistle]

i wonder if it's from something with "ghost" in it's name (i didn't play the mod after the overhaul so i can be totally wrong)

[tawny igloo]

Yes, I figured it out, but now I have a completely different problem

My ||liquid breathing|| tank lasts about 30 seconds, so I can't find a ||Kharaa Symptom Alleviation Canister||, nor can I create an ||electrical sealant for seamoth||

[foggy thistle]

||they don't last the full duration on first craft now?||

[tawny igloo]

What do you mean by first craft?

[keen wind]

oh i may know what youre talking about, but it seemed like something that was so easy to run into that it wouldve already been known so i never bothered talking about it
does it have to do with leaving a tool without a battery?

its always been really finicky for me whenever i swap around tools that have batteries with those that dont, and occasionally a full battery (of whatever type said tool is crafted with) will just materialize in the space where a battery used to be

[marble creek]

Yes thats what i was talking about

[trail ether]

liquid breathing no longer crafts full no

[trail ether]

C2C is not a mod where things are immediately obvious and everything works in the most simple possible way

[unreal flame]

c2c easy mode where yellow paint is spattered everywhere

[forest valve]

and theres no new mechanics or area- wait nvm thats just subnautica

[tawny igloo]

Soooo the only thing I came up with was bases every 50 meters and a huge supply of ||liquid breathing systems||

[unreal flame]

every important thing you need to do glows bright yellow and so do whichever items you need to solve any puzzle

[forest valve]

god fuckin damn

bro is dedicated to cheese

[trail plinth]

I think the closest I ever made a seabase to another seabase was about 200-300m away

[fiery fiber]

Um plankton stuff? (Hehe) question regarding moral ... dunno how to articulate but will try. If you could change the value a bit would be awesome but would it be possible to create a mechanic where like every time you hit zero moral you get a tick. And then after 2 ticks minor debuff. 4 ticks major debuff. Then 6 ticks you are suicidal. You revive the ticks by doing something positive ... hang out in your room, or eat or sobering I dunno .... so the idea is ... you ignore your decreasing morale without doing something to address .... kinda like sublimation or powering thru it, but it's going to eventually tax you. So if you get lowered moral you need to address it by doing something to uplift yourself. Shot even building your base (with diminishing returns) should be positive cuz of sense of accomplishment

Hope that made sense

[marble creek]

Lets add an ai chatbot to the pda which will answer to any c2c progress related questions

Triple A c2c experience

[karmic drum]

I will feed you to a crater grade ghost leviathan

[coral dagger]

even aside from the new things, the QOL in 2.0 is heaps better - seaglide lights toggle without glitchy mod, fixed stuttery movement on land/bases, sprinting while holding tools etc

i would love to do another c2c playthrough but don't want to justify dealing with pre 2.0 crap

[worldly valve]

The only thing i ever really notice is the lack of sprint

Tbh i find light usually doesnt do as much as i hope it does

I want to get back to c2c as well

Tho i know the morale is gonna mostly feel not great me

But oh well

First i need to 100% blue prince before anything else

[vocal bronze]

totally agree, and it just runs so much better too

[vocal bronze]

you don’t notice the large rooms? sprint was a huge change but there’s some other massive stuff too

[worldly valve]

I dont use them no🥲

To me even the sprint is just a nice qol

[tawny igloo]

does anyone know how to remove this annoying text?

[marble creek]

I guess the command does not work for you too?

[karmic drum]

you update your mods

[barren oar]

but its the up-to-date version, according to th emessage

and the repository does have v89 as latest

admittedly that was my initial reaction too but there's clearly just something wrong with the check itself

unless it checks for the hash and their local copy was modified in some way?

[marble creek]

This message also appears when you don't have connection to the internet

So I am assuming op just wants to play without internet connection

[barren oar]

surely it wouldnt be able to fetch the remote version if there was no internet connection?

(because where would it get it from, and why would it default to the installed version, and why would it fail to verify its the same version?)

[tawny igloo]

oh, forget it, the problem was that the mod couldn't check the current version because GitHub was blocked in my country

[barren oar]

huhh

[tawny igloo]

Sooo, any tips on getting electrolytes?

[trail plinth]

Which ingredient(s)?

[tawny igloo]

I've gathered all the ingredients, but I don't have a recipe😭

[trail ether]

are you going to ask about absolutely everything that is not immediately obvious

[trail plinth]

How do you know that you have all the ingredients if you don't have the recipe

If you keep looking to outside information to guide you along you're going to end up more confused, and then further depend on outside information for the rest of your playthrough

[tawny igloo]

I looked through the creative world and realized that I already had everything I needed, because I really didn't understand how I should proceed without electrolytes.

[trail plinth]

If you haven't already, I'd advise looking through all the wrecks you have access to in case you've missed a databox or something, otherwise look at where in the progression you'll need electrolytes and just kinda work your way backwards to see. Did you miss a scan on one of the ingredients or something? I do actually forget what unlocks electrolytes, so I can't be of much help otherwise

[foggy thistle]

i forgot what electrolytes are (unless they are new)

[barren oar]

they're pretty old

gotta be at least a few months by now

[trail plinth]

They're a bit of a pain to get in quantity before a certain point, then they become much easier to get in larger amounts

[tawny igloo]

One of the Degasi PDAs isn't showing up in the data recording status, even though the recording is on my PDA and I've definitely found it. Is there a way to fix this desynchronization?

[trail ether]

which PDA

[tawny igloo]

Degasi Voice Log #4 - Curious Discovery

[trail ether]

oh wow that one did not get populated

or...it did but with the wrong name

that or its name is in fact a holdover from earlier in development

[tawny igloo]

That's why I ask about everything. Modding 🙂

[trail ether]

??

[worldly valve]

The contextual clues to what they said are all there reika;)

Im sure you can figure it out

[trail plinth]

I don't think that carries the same weight when it comes to asking how to solve things if that's what you're implying

[worldly valve]

I was more implying that i think the reasoning behind their questions is pretty obvious with a little bit of reading the mesaages

I was def being cheeky

But i could elaborate

[worldly valve]

Mods are often glitchy, or have things missed, or details not quite aligned.

Getting any level of response to a wuestion can give huge level of insight even from a question that only gets a partial answer

[trail ether]

slop mods sure

only slop mods have it over and over and over

and they are asking over and over and over

[karmic drum]

Which is very annoying, inconsiderate, disrespectful, and would make me personally just not want to answer them in any developers shoes

[worldly valve]

Asking questions is disrepesctful and inconsiderate? I find that a rather extreme stance.

Scanning back up a few hubnred messages he has 2 small inquiries to gane mechanics, and 2 small inquires to oddites.

[trail plinth]

There's 2 different perspectives here. One is what you're saying, where the notion that asking questions is somehow disrespectful/inconsiderate, and the other perspective is the people being asked questions that are disrespectful/inconsiderate. While I don't find the questions posed here to be either, at least one of them was a brand of "I found out what I need from outside sources, how do I get that thing" which is largely discouraged--a lot of questions asked in here tend to be some amount of "what do I do" or "how do I get this" with the answer almost always being to just explore more. Yes, some things can break, I've been the example playthrough for many bugfixes and changes. I try to look at these questions in good faith, like maybe they did what was necessary but something broke, but most of the time when people ask questions like that they're used to playing a specific way that c2c doesn't really reward. The answers are almost always available without needing to look to outside information

[tawny igloo]

wtf with ||glass coral||, due to countless juveniles, the fps drops to 1. Even if I set the quality to minimum, I can't scan it, since the scanning progress simply resets to 25%.

ohh, i get it, there so many in one point, they just stack in same place

[karmic drum]

I didn't mean to imply that the notion of asking is wrong. More so that asking the same question repeatedly and then continuing to imply something is wrong (which it could well be) without giving the person in charge any appropriate amount of time to respond is.

[barren oar]

oh yeah definitely, impatience and inability/unwillingness to listen are annoying as all hell, i think anyone can agree to that

but this isnt really the case here, as i see it? the only question i can see could have been interpreted as 'repeated' was the one about electrolytes... but with a lot of leeway, as you need to consider "ive seen you need [thing] for it" as continuing the thread

[karmic drum]

I'm willing to say I probably misread something and apologize. I haven't been doing well the past few days. And definitely shouldn't have pressed the send key 😅

[barren oar]

admittedly, with the way the situation was described by reika, you would think that'd be the case - "over and over and over"

if you havent been keeping tabs on the thread for the last few days or havent looked up the messages specifically, its a pretty normal response

but i think here is mostly just a case of reika having encountered this type of interaction and not wanting to have much to do with it, which is fair enough - there is at least one example that i recall she sent here and that i think fits the case a lot better, than what happened in this thread

...well, its probably not an important enough discussion to continue having, though

[worldly valve]

Im sorry friend. I can relate to such a headspace and such actions. I hope it turns around for you

[trail ether]

wtf?

I do not add a single juvenile to the game

[barren oar]

huh?

oh that message

ive had glass coral fps issues too but i recall there being a limit added at some point after that... ?

er. the scanning issues too ^

i think thats the "juveniles" theyre talking about

[unreal flame]

The glass forest is FPS-heavy because of the plants themselves

[barren oar]

not glass forest, glass corals

the uh siblings to floaters i think they were(?)

[unreal flame]

Oh, i guess I wouldn’t know what that is then

[barren oar]

ill refrain from detailing too much, then

but they were a real pain in the butt last time i played, for sure

[trail ether]

wait

derp

juvenile glass coral

not ghost leviathan

their numbers should be hard capped

also are the juveniles even scannable?

i think only the adult is, and so if that is stacking it might explain why there are more juveniles

but that kind of duplicated worldgen suggests you have been fucking with the files

[barren oar]

last i recall they were just interactable

[trail ether]

like, say, deleting cellscache

that would do this

[barren oar]

my experience

i did not delete any caches that i can remember in my playthrough

[trail ether]

I was not talking to you

[tawny igloo]

same

[trail ether]

since you were not having the duplicated entities

[barren oar]

but i was

i had the same issues too

[tawny igloo]

I lowered the settings with a mod to get past that place, I can just notice that there are countless of them there crashing the game if I look at them, even at the edge of the screen

[barren oar]

thats what im trying to say

both with the "too laggy" and "scanning kept getting reset"

[trail plinth]

Purely speculation: ||I wonder if this has to do with the issue I had before, where one of mine was missing? Assuming you implemented a fix, would that fix have any chance of doubling up on corals that already spawned successfully?||

[fleet vortex]

Hey all, this has probably been asked before, but I haven't been able to find anything about it. Is it still possible to install the mod now that you can no longer downgrade via Steam?

[trail ether]

you need to install legacy

[fleet vortex]

I know, but you can't install legacy via steam anymore and I can't find a way to do it. I tried to download the depot but it only downloads the current version

[trail ether]

that is your only option

[vocal crane]

any updates on c2c?

[worldly valve]

?

Whens the last time you played, thats a very odd question. The short answet is yes/probably.

Unless you are asking about 2.0 conversation, to which i would point to the laast few times you asked about this

Which is...a long ways away

Kinda pointless to ask about updates for it

But there is littlw true news on the subject so i get it kinda

[forest valve]

iirc reika said earliest she'd consider is like 2027 or smth lol

smth like that

mod basically needs alot remade if its to be 2.0ed

and its um, alot

[round vessel]

does anyone have that recommended list of mods for c2c, not just dependencies but with some other compatible mods

[worldly valve]

Yeah, i was specifically meaning like, a place that has sources info outside of this mega thread

Reika has ut posted somewgere here

Search her name via ctrl $

[forest valve]

i think a few mods are just disabled

like more vehicle slots

for upgrades

but u can use the larger inventory mod

[worldly valve]

A bunch are*

The bigges one imo is easy craft

Or whatwver its called

Will save literaly hours

I know reika uses a few other qol mods that shocked me when i heard hahahaha

But quality of life vs power is always a debate amongst playere

The map mod is also fairly helpful

[trail plinth]

^

[trail plinth]

In response to this

[foggy thistle]

wouldn't delaying 2.0 conversion increase the difficulty of the conversion itself since there are always changes done with each update?

[trail ether]

^

^

[worldly valve]

I cant recall the name of the mod who tends to watcg this thread

Those would be 10/10 pins if you read my lowly message mr mod

[trail plinth]

N8crafter comes in ocassionally, not sure if theres someone else you were thinking of

[trail plinth]

Not necessarily. The most difficult part (to my understanding) comes purely from porting to 2.0, so unless the subnautica devs decide to do another mini overhaul i dont think there would be much extra difficulty

Iirc 2.0 redid a lot of core mechanics, like inventories and such, so if im not mistaken that would be part of the difficulty since all of reikas mods that utilize inventories would then have to be rewritten to be compatible with the new inventory system

[worldly valve]

I believe so

[unreal flame]

Hi

[trail plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-hi-how-are-ya-how-are-you-squidward-gif-16280025

[tawny igloo]

So does anyone know how to fix this? I've done everything in the game but I can't finish it because of this

[trail ether]

there is nothing you can do - it requires a mod update, assuming it is actually broken

[tawny igloo]

Shouldn't there be a file called "data_collection.dat" that can be edited if you find yourself in this situation?

[trail ether]

wtf? no

I am checking vanilla StoryGoals

[tawny igloo]

but it is in the code😐 and also it is for lifeform scans

[fleet vortex]

I just tried to loot the ||sea moth depth module mk1 out of the aurora || but it disappeared instead of being picked up. Is that intended and I should get it from somewhere else or is it buggy?

[worldly valve]

Intended😄

[fleet vortex]

Alright thank you. It spawned some random seamoth wracks on top of my head so it seemed buggy to me

[trail plinth]

If you hadnt scanned all the seamoth fragments in the room, it might have just sent them bouncing around the room a bit. I dont think it should spawn new ones in, but Ive been wrong before

[trail ether]

it will

the explosion effect is a seamoth explosion

which spawns some pieces as debris

[fleet vortex]

Ahh that explains a lot. Thanks guys!

[trail plinth]

ohhh interesting, I don't think I noticed that in my playthrough

[keen wind]

oh thats a neat detail, dont think ive ever realized that since ive only ever been inside of my seamoth when it explodes, which isnt the healthiest of activities

[fluid umbra]

I was able to install the depot version of subnautica and disable auto update. But I can not get any of the sea 2 sea mods to load. I can get other qmods. But vortex doesn't recognize its legacy. I had to rename the original subnautica folder and name the depot folder subnautica before it would start via the short cut. Also make the manifest file read only so it wouldn't auto update

I'm probably not putting the mods in the correct folders or using the correct versions.

[fluid umbra]

Any suggestions on where to start? On the mod tab in options it shows, qmod and sml helper but not eels creatures. I have ecc 2.0 library installed, legacy toby and the 7 mods terrain patcher.

[fluid umbra]

which ecc library do i need to run that is compitable with natilus\

[trail ether]

???

[fluid umbra]

Hey stranger, I have not been able to play your sea2sea mods in some months. And now I can not get them to load on my pc. I'm pretty confident if have loaded them into the proper locations. and that I have the proper supporting mods as well. but they your content will not load. only the radial tabs mod.

I apologize in advance if my wording is not clear. It was soo much nicer before the went and removed legacy from their rollback options.

[fiery fiber]

Ya they sabotaged c2c cuz it made the game into an actual real survival game

[errant cairn]

Disclaimer: this is not recommended because of security risks in the older Unity version.

Use Steam Database to get the Legacy version then get all the legacy stuff

[trail ether]

risks which i have seen many people say are massively overblown

which to be fair is common for a lot of security vulnerabilities

you see some lib that is used in one specific domain vulnerable to one specific kind of attack under very specific circumstances and it gets flagged "OMG HAIR ON FIRE MAXIMUM SEVERITY", presumably because that is what it takes to spur organizations and people into giving a shit

and yet, ironically this tendency to exaggerate the probability and impact of vulnerabilities in software has degraded the level of attention people pay to security because of the incessant crying of wolf

every now and then there ARE serious vulnerabilities

good luck finding them when pretty much any exploit gets tagged as such

[forest abyss]

so are we ever getting a 2.0 update? i don't mean to be rude btw

[trail ether]

I just checked this security vulnerability again

Applications that were built using affected versions of the Unity Editor are susceptible to an unsafe file loading and local file inclusion attack depending on the operating system, which could enable local code execution or information disclosure at the privilege level of the vulnerable application.

translation: you need file access to even begin to exploit it, as well as having been able to direct the application load that malicious file (a dedicated malware "game" would do it, but a legitimate game is not going to do that)

that does not sound like something an unrelated third party could actually leverage without already having access that make the vulnerability moot

(this is a common pattern, actually, vulnerabilities whose means of application depend on already having enough access that the vulnerability is of little significance)

I know I ran into these a lot in the MC modding environment

eg RCEs that depend on already having control of the target machine's filesystem, RW and permissions editing included

not to mention that all of this is silly when you consider that by running mods you are running unvalidated code with the permissions of the game anyway

written by a bunch of random people on the internet

I could put all kinds of malware in C2C if I wanted

[trail ether]

ever? yes

I make no promises beyond that

[tawny igloo]

So when is the next update? (not 2..0, just next)

[fluid umbra]

Thank you for replying law abiding developer and Reika, as always, I believe I have the correct build installed.

Then I have the mods installed in the directory described online.

I apologize for the poor image

[barren oar]

i dont think you put them in bepinex/plugins since they're qmod... mods

and remove nautilus since its a 2.0 library

nautilus master is.. probably the source code of nautilus so it probably doesnt even do anything

you put the mods in the QMods folder i think

[fluid umbra]

removed nautilus master already. I'll move them over.

[errant cairn]

That's correct.

[fluid umbra]

remove nautilus all together?

[forest abyss]

yes, and replace it with SMLHelper

[fluid umbra]

ok

I installed the ecc library 2.0 legacy and it finally sees it. It still doesn't see any of the 7 mods. 😭

[errant cairn]

Wdym "doesn't see any of the 7 mods?" Can you send me your log file?

[unreal flame]

the only reason it is overblown is because Steam forced every unity game to address it or be taken down.

[trail ether]

steam did that because it was reported as this catastrophic exploit that put everyone at risk

which is far from the truth

this is hardly the first unity or other engine-level exploit that has been found, and yet it is one of few that steam forced this kind of action for

[fluid umbra]

where can I find that?

[errant cairn]

Subnautica/BepInEx/LogOutput.log

[fluid umbra]

here it is. I read through it. It looks like every loads, but the game just doesn't start

[errant cairn]

wdym "game just doesn't start?"

as in doesn't load?

[fluid umbra]

yes, the discord overlay tab appears, but no game menu screen appears.

soo... insta crash?

[unreal flame]

privilege elevation can be pretty dicey, especially with a not-insignificant number of people running games with administrative privilege

(and need i point out your irrational aversion to text files)

[fluid umbra]

there , I finally got a unity crash warning, how do you get to see that message?

Its aqueousengineering that is causing the crash for some reason

[trail ether]

who said anything about privilege elevation

[trail ether]

that has nothing to do with security

[unreal flame]

that was what the exploit being patched was

[unreal flame]

i'm pretty sure you've directly expressed security concerns about opening text and log files on your computer

[fluid umbra]

This is my other log file after I disabled the other mod file it still crashed.

[fluid umbra]

lol, in hind sight, it looks like dragon industries was the only mod that loaded according the crash handler, if I read it right, the sea to sea couldn't pre load

[fluid umbra]

Here it says that ecc library wont load because it needs nautilus. But I installed the legacy ver. of the mod from vortex website. It says legacy in vortex.

[trail ether]

I do not like having a bunch of random text files or having to dig through my downloads to read people's logs

[trail ether]

privilege elevation is for when you get an application to run at a higher level of permissions

this is local code execution by an application that already has that power

[errant cairn]

Reinstall the legacy version and look for a file older than 2.0.8 on nexus

Oh and don't use vortex

It sucks

[fluid umbra]

Lol, ok, i will keep that in mind from now on. I'll work on that after work today. Thank you.

[unreal flame]

Then… delete them when you’re done and clean up your downloads folder every so often?

[unreal flame]

It is using the other program to gain privileges it wouldn’t otherwise have

[karmic drum]

But like... I might need something later (I have a horrible problem with folder hoarding)

[unreal flame]

In what world would you need another person’s log file later

[trail ether]

that is way more effort than is justified, and ignores the effort of having to find them once downloaded

[trail ether]

what "other program"

[unreal flame]

you can sort by date downloaded?

[unreal flame]

the unity program

the malicious program uses it to gain privileges

[trail ether]

by what mechanism

[errant cairn]

escalation of privileges vulnerability in the program

the program lets another program/plugin use it to do things that program/plugin normally can't without user permission

[trail ether]

not what I meant

[errant cairn]

oh what is the vulnerability? no idea

[trail ether]

how does a third party application leverage a unity application to do whatever it wants

[errant cairn]

i honestly dont remember rn

[errant cairn]

third party app? Not sure how/if I can explain it even if I did know, but certainly mods can do it and basically turn into their own seperate program using BepInEx or MelonLoader

[unreal flame]

https://flatt.tech/research/posts/arbitrary-code-execution-in-unity-runtime/

[trail ether]

aha

so it is basically able to specify additional code to run at launch

see why does NOONE say this

what the fuck is "flatt.tech"

why did noone of any significance spell this out

opting to go "just trust me it's severe i swear"

[forest abyss]

is there a way to downpatch the game so i can play the mod or

[errant cairn]

Steam Database

[errant cairn]

because they dont understand it

[unreal flame]

Some security firm, just the first relevant result

[unreal flame]

Because not a whole lot of people are technically inclined

[fluid umbra]

It all keeps coming down to this I can load the whole file if you like. Something about plastic work space. stalker toy, mini poop. It stops, dead. I had to change my game's manifest file to read only to stop it from updating. I renamed this folder from its manifest number to Subnautica and renamed 2.0 so I could use the shortcut.

[worldly valve]

Tbh i usually start from scratch with mod setups when i have like half that issue

Tho if you already did that then🙃

[errant cairn]

He needs to start from scratch without vortex tho

[fluid umbra]

I do?

I can uninstall vortex tomorrow if I get the chance and install from manual downloads. Hopefully that works. My luck with this has not been the best.

Should I also Start with a fresh install of the game itself??

steamDB that is.

[worldly valve]

oh you used vortex, oi missed that bit

game itself should be fine, i would just manually do all the mods

its intim idating if you haven't done it before for sure

but it looks and feels worse than it is, if that makes any sense

its reallly rather simple, almost deceptively so

[fluid umbra]

I did. I also loaded after each mod I added as a level of satisfaction. It finally loaded... almost perfectly. My mods are all out of date🤣 . Thats what I get from using my old files!!

[worldly valve]

Hahahahah

Well im glad it worked out a bit better

[fluid umbra]

Ok, does the save function no longer work outside of a building?

I can't save outside of my life pod.

[barren oar]

you can't save if you're not safe

-# (well more or less since you're safe if you're like on the surface but you get what im getting at)

[gilded nova]

||does the item collector just put the items in some chest in my base?||

sanity is not a fun mechanic

[worldly valve]

More or less

[forest abyss]

@trail ether , i don't mean to be a beggar but when could we get c2c 2.0?

[trail plinth]

There likely wont be any work started on 2.0 until around easter of this year at the soonest

[forest abyss]

k

[fluid umbra]

Lol, i have any anxiety disorder and save constantly. This will be an issue 😅

Is there a way to modify this in a json or do I " have to suck it up buttercup"

[trail plinth]

Even if it was possible to revert the change, there will be points where if you were to save you could softlock yourself or cheese through progression

For the most part though its meant to ward off the idea that death is of little consequence other than maybe having to go get your stuff back

[worldly valve]

The surface telwp9rt prevents most soft locjs

Tho i think it coyld be plausible to get stalker murdered during the warp

Or if it combines it effect with low morale you could end up drowning but i think thats designed to not ve likly

I have not used the escape warp

[trail plinth]

Most softlocks under ordinary circumstances, yes. C2C adds in numerous circumstances that would be considered extraordinary. Even with this new save function, theres one single way to softlock yourself that makes it a pain in the ass to recover from

Its a bit difficult to softlock yourself in this way though, and would only happen as a result of poor planning or similar

[errant cairn]

Every time someone says this you should delay the release by 1 month Reika

[forest valve]

probably a few years atleast

[trail ether]

likely not that long

[forest valve]

REIKA, main developer of SEATOSEA 5, confirms SEATOSEA coming to 2.0 in 2027!!!

(this is a joke do not take it seriously please if you are reading this)

[worldly valve]

2028 release of 2.0 confirmed, thanks for hard verifying Julia!

[errant cairn]

please stop giving me click bait title ideas

[trail ether]

somene made a minecraft modder drama generator years nad years ago

and my name and mods were in the random table

seems to be gone https://mc-drama.herokuapp.com/

[errant cairn]

W

[trail ether]

https://ftb.fandom.com/wiki/Minecraft_Drama_Generator

[errant cairn]

or not

ohhhh recording it ok

lemme look

so many potential generations just based on the many arguments ive seen in this chat alone

seems like it woulda been awful to deal with

i hope it was used passively instead of offensively

[trail ether]

mostly

[fiery fiber]

Reika have you ever made a satisfactory mod? I think k ove seen you in there o
Sometime

[forest abyss]

how do i downpatch to legacy via steamdb

[fiery fiber]

Look in pins I think there might be a guide there.

[trail ether]

yes

two released

https://ficsit.app/user/CQUpu31WZCAQb3

i have more ideas planned

includingm some "real" mods but that is a stretch goal

[trail plinth]

You wouldnt be able to utilize steam for that as far as Im aware, youll want to check the pins or ask in one of the mod support channels

Basically if your subnautica updated on steam, you cant revert it. I use steam only because i cancelled the update before it could start, but that means i cant launch subnautica while online with steam

[worldly valve]

I think you can stop it from.ipdating entirely but its a pain

[trail plinth]

Steam doesnt seem to give any options for disabling automatic updates, only whether you want to update on launch or at set times

[quaint pine]

Hey guys, at a loss.
|| went to Aurora and tried to get the Seamoth Depth Module, but it blew up. Okay, so I made the moonpool, and no recipe found. I'm guessing it's in a databox somewhere, could I maybe get a hint in what direction as I've searched most (that I can recall exists) in terms of locations I can reach. Love the mod, painfull but wonderfull btw.||

[worldly valve]

What biomes have you completed?

[trail plinth]

The exploration pages would be helpful to you in this case. If you're trying to get the depth module, then you're likely still very limited on how deep you can dive, which should scratch off many potential locations. Think of some other important early POIs that you would normally be exploring when you first get a seamoth

[worldly valve]

I think its fairly easy to miss thebhint or not realise its a hint

Tho seatosea ususes that hint style regularily unlike the base game

[trail plinth]

What hint? Exploration pages?

[worldly valve]

The pop up one time voice hints

Base game usses is once for jellyshroom cave, might use it elsewhere

[trail plinth]

uh

not only are those replayable and stored in the PDA, but I don't really see how you can miss a PDA voiceline, unless you're like actively trying to dodge a reaper and in a high stress situation. But again, it's not like it's gone forever

Also, wouldn't those hints be like, the most ideal and the most obvious for people? If a mod adds new pop up hints in the form of voice lines from the PDA, that's about as overt as a hint you can probably get. I can think of several examples that have been added by Reika that are specifically there to encourage players to explore further to find important details

[worldly valve]

The jelly shrrom ones issue is sure it savea

But if you dont remwmbwr your exact locatoon

You are just looking for a cave somewhere

It just says

[trail plinth]

Which one is the jellyshroom one? Also is it a modded voiceline or vanilla?

[worldly valve]

"Caves are nearby"

Vanilla

I think c2c usses the random voice lines better than base game to be clear, i actually only remember the one use it base game

I believe jellyshrrom cave was thr last biome i found in my playthrough🥲🤣🤣🤣

[trail plinth]

these two?

[worldly valve]

Is that hows its listen in game?

[trail plinth]

Those are from the wiki yeah

[worldly valve]

In game*

Not wiki

I dont think it specifiwa biome in game

[trail plinth]

Why would they be different?

It's the vanilla PDA voice line that plays when you enter the entrance, and when you enter the main biome respectively

[worldly valve]

Thi if you dont know biome location exactly, 90m deep is... a wide wide search area

[trail plinth]

They aren't prompting you to find anything in particular

This is vanilla

C2C is a modded experience

[worldly valve]

It plays one ehen you are above the entrance*

[trail plinth]

If you don't know vanilla, why are you playing c2c

[worldly valve]

So its rather easy to miss it

[trail plinth]

That's a vanilla problem then

[worldly valve]

I noted that

[trail plinth]

So why is that being mentioned when it's hte modded content that's supposedly being missed?

[worldly valve]

Same hint style

[trail plinth]

...voice lines?

[worldly valve]

Not just a voice line

Because there are kinda 2 ways it has the pda voice lines

One is more organized than the other

I was noting the vanilla hint,, as its the same hint style to point them in the right direction

||the one he is looking for plays after a more "organized" voice entry from someone. The follow up one just gets put in the mega list of all the random messages. ||

[trail plinth]

That still doesn't really tell me anything. I'm inferring that the problem is that you get a PDA voice entry for "hey, check out this area there's somehting here" but doesn't describe where the area is necessarily, so it's theoretically something that can be missed?

[worldly valve]

If you dont drop what you are doing to search it out immediately

[trail plinth]

Do you not just...make a note of where you were when it went off?

[worldly valve]

Yeah, it can be. Its a weakness of the voice line in vanilla

[trail plinth]

You don't look around for a few seconds to get an idea of where it is?

[worldly valve]

I did

I even recalled seeing a hole

Just didnt enter it

Then i just when different dirextions game wise

I did not have beacons unlocked on my vanilla save. Ever😂😂😂

[trail plinth]

I really can't see how this is some kind of prominent issue, and I struggle immensively with memory and directions--to the point that most of my time playing has been spent as a consequence of getting lost and/or forgetting things

immensively?? immensely, wtf

oh I was thinking of immensely and intensive at the same time, derp

which also doesn't make sense but whatever

[worldly valve]

Mental notes like that are usually in short term memory. I rarely take physical notes for video games.

It makes sense

The brain is a weird machine, makea weird connections

[trail plinth]

That's not my point, I just explained that I struggle with the exact same thing, often more than most people around me

And as someone who does struggle with said things, I will actually make actual notes if I really need to

And I haven't needed to for these particular things that you're describing

My point is more of a question--how often is this an issue that you would think the hints are bad?

[worldly valve]

I do agree that it mostly wasnt a big deal..., its just a weakness of the pda style for that log.

If i compare it specifically to the audo log he is looking for, that one is much better designed. As you are already focused and reading about the subject.

I dont think the vanilla in game biome hint isn't terrible, just a bit lacking.

[worldly valve]

The one in game, you could be doing just about anything when it happens

I want to say even aurora might be going boom, but that might be protected a la no simul voice lines

[trail plinth]

PDA voice lines don't overlap

[worldly valve]

It wasnt a "big" issue, i just think compared to say, the distress beacons

Its weak

[trail plinth]

I think the only ones that can are the oxygen/hunger/thirst voices

[worldly valve]

I think that's the best verbage

[trail plinth]

I'm assuming you mean the distress beacons that get corrupted and don't have a "go here" marker on your HUD

[worldly valve]

Actually those too

I was meaning the even simpler ones actually

But i forgot those

Those ones are my fav

[trail plinth]

The even simpler ones? Like, just having the "it's right here" marker on your HUD?

The ones that point you exactly where you need to go?

[worldly valve]

Those usually just put you in a biome or near aignificant points but still need to explore

Because the life pods themselves are mooooostly worthlesa

[trail plinth]

Well yeah, and C2C leverages a lot of different life pod locations to encourage further exploration of those areas

[worldly valve]

Yeah

[trail plinth]

same with other POIs, and even custom POIs

[worldly valve]

And i think does it well

Puts in a good spot, but still up to you

[trail plinth]

The voice message I'm assuming you're referring to is in conjunction with that exact thing. You're looking for a particular thing, you find an entire biome where that thing is, and then you get a PDA voice message saying "hey go explore", and then you even get an exploration page that tracks what you've found and if you're missing anything

[worldly valve]

I dont think i found it like that

[trail plinth]

Also back to my point before about how often this is a problem--I really do mean that, I'm really curious as to the answer. How many times has this happened for it to become a problem point, even if it is minor? You could be doing just about anything, yeah, but just about anything means that a lot of what you could be doing could be something you can pause. The only times you couldn't pause is if you are under attack or are on some kind of timer, ie oxygen, hunger, thirst, health, or maybe you're cutting it a bit too close for the sunbeam event

[worldly valve]

I dont think the exploration oage works like that in vanilla

[trail plinth]

I dont know how to tell you this

but the exploration page isn't a vanilla thing

[worldly valve]

Yeah thats wjat i thought

To go explore a cave thats below me, would stop me entirely from doing what im doing

[trail plinth]

You used the jellyshroom caves entrance as an example right?

[worldly valve]

Let alone remembering the arbitrary location im currently floating above, especially if i lack a beacon.

Subnauticas map often looks samey

[trail plinth]

For context, that voice line only triggers when you enter the cave entrance

[worldly valve]

No it doesnt

It can def trigfer when you are above the cave

[worldly valve]

Are we talking about the vanilla line?

Yeah that line happens above the cave

Not when inside it

[trail plinth]

The entrance

The entrance is a cave

[worldly valve]

Its like

A vertical downwards cave?

[trail plinth]

There are like 3 or 4 entrances

All of which have very visual themes correlating with the interior of the jellyshroom caves

[worldly valve]

I tend the get the voice like in grqssy plateua

And i know its there

Im saying its easy to miss the line as a whole

If you dont drop what you are doing to go check it out and maybe beacon it, its rather easy to forget where you were

I loobed down

[trail plinth]

Alright I'm gonna boot up a fresh save and go over to it just to see

[worldly valve]

Thought, hum i should remember this

And if memory just forgets the log happens, since the log is in the messy list

Its just a bit rough

The frequency of the vanilla weak hints i remember is just that one, which is low

Subnautica is a exellently designed game

Even if it was clearl 80% luck😂😂

[trail plinth]

so, while I wasn't in the entrance, I did get the message at about 50m depth, and it only triggered once i was directly above the opening. Maybe this is different depending on the cave entrance, but at least for this one it's triggering when the cave entrance is very much in view

this one for reference

[trail ether]

and i always get it over the southeast entrance

the one over the degasi base

[worldly valve]

Im just saying depending on activities, unless you can clearly remember the area, its not gonns be clear where it was located

Its didnt "matter" that i found the cave so late, i got through the game

[trail plinth]

I know, im not saying it cant happen, im more saying that the range of activities you can be doing that would mean you completely miss one of the prompts is very limited. I gave my examples earlier, but I dont know what constitutes as an interruption for you. For me, if I saw one of these pop up and it was new to me, I would take a pause and look around at where I am. I wouldnt immediately make exploring this new information my top priority, but I would make a small detour to make sure I can come back later without issue if needed. That, and i just dont think theres enough of these to really be a problem. All of the ones im thinking of are close to or in an area that, to me at least, makes it really obvious

[fiery fiber]

Ohhh nice! I msg use that in conjunction with refined power mod

[karmic drum]

Huh. Assuming it doesn't already touch those aspects. These would play really well with the Satisfactory plus collection

[quaint pine]

|| Safe Shallows, most of Kelp Forest for sure, Might have missed areas in Grassy Plateaus, Sparse Reef, Lifepod 4, 19, 6, 3, visited 9 once but it was so deep I only managed to grab the PDA, I'll have to visit again. lastly the Islands, haven't gone to mushroom forest because of the toxic plankton, made me quit my first run when I built a base too close and kept dying lol, the rest seems a bit too deep to explore for now, or just out of my technilogical reach. And as mentioned the Aurora, fixed reactor, checked Lab, seamoth bay and storage ||

[unreal flame]

still awaiting the Kalseki Artefaction Process mod

[karmic drum]

The what? I've never made it past coal power 😅

[unreal flame]

Don’t worry about it

[karmic drum]

Noted. I gotta get back into satisfactory. Been down the warframe rabbit hole for a hot minute. Even though I bought myself satisfactory as a Christmas gift

Renewable mycellia sounds kicking though. So many bio nuggies

[fiery fiber]

Haven't tried satisfactory plus yet. Still working on finishing vanilla first. Made it tier 5 and starting tonhit the need power wall, but definitely the mycellia is gonna help when I make a mycellia fueled biofuel power factory with refined power.

[trail ether]

??

[trail ether]

also lots of other things use mycelia

like fabric - before the alt - and toxic nobelisks

[unreal flame]

the kovarex thing for the spheres and sloops

[trail ether]

oh SomersLooping

i still need to make that mod

would be easy

i just burned out on my last two SF playthroughs before it became relevant

[forest abyss]

is there an alternative mod i can use instead of this mod? for me the mod doesn't work

[trail ether]

????

[trail plinth]

Doesnt work as in its not loading properly, or...?

[forest valve]

there is no other mod that does what seatosea does, and i personally doubt there will be one

[errant cairn]

some glitch out and dont get saved iirc

[trail plinth]

I mean yeah, though that's outside the scope of what was being discussed. Bugs and glitches are usually disruptive to whatever gameplay was intended

[quaint pine]

@worldly valve Don't wanna bother you, but you got a hint?

[quaint pine]

|| Still stuck looking for the Seamoth MK1 depth module, feel like going crazy. ||

[worldly valve]

Did you ever go through some of your pdas that you found?

[quaint pine]

|| Yes, I very much have. Checked nearly every biome I can possibly get to without getting mauled, killed by phytoplanktons or ashpyxiation. I am at wits end ||

[trail plinth]

||Which area(s) are you able to explore while you have a seamoth but not the first depth module? And more importantly, you would likely explore around the same time you would otherwise get the module||

[worldly valve]

Hmmm

If ypu havw bio processor

Then you can make a base pretty easily thats fairly safe up to about 400m

[trail plinth]

that's not going to be useful here unfortunately

also what's the bio processor got to do with base depth? or did you mean bioreactor

[worldly valve]

I totes meant reactor

Tho i think igd be pretty useful

A lot of players perceive needing depth mark 1 to access the biome comfortably

Thats my hint to you atm @quaint pine

But you wont have mk 1 of course

[trail plinth]

C2C has points where you're forced to explore an area more or less "uncomfortably" but not particularly like skirting the edge of life and death

[worldly valve]

I am willing to say

You arent looking for a data box

Just in case youve built a network of scanners

[quaint pine]

|| Explored much I could do, comfortable or not. All of safe shallows, kelp, grassyy plateuas and all wrecks within, mushroom forest, underwater islands, Sparse Reef, Sea trader path only had lifepod (some trail of lights but eventually stopped and found nothing more), 1 dune wreck, bulb zone, Grand reef (the first shallower wreck), Islands, Mountain island caves, Aurora as far as I could, Jellyshrooms and I think that's it(?) ||

[quiet marsh]

||My base has been engulfed by a horde of plankton that destroy my morale when I leave, is there some simple way to prevent it that I neglected on accident||

[trail plinth]

||One of those is definitely one you're overlooking. Think of which one is more accessible than the others, which one lines up more with when you'd want your depth module. Look through the PDAs you picked up more carefully, especially if they're relevant to what you want. I don't really know to what extent you've been exploring these areas, whether exclusively by hand, with the aid of a scanner room, or if you've just been hitting every POI you can reach in the hopes of finding what you're looking for||

[trail plinth]

The answer isn't immediately obvious, but does require a bit of exploration. You can get what you need as early as the start of a save if you stumble across it/directly look for it

[fiery fiber]

Ya you prolly wanna look someplace that is very close to your exploratory limit but doesn't push you too far beyond it

And even when you get there that's only the start of the diabolic-ocity 😋

[karmic drum]

Still less painful than playing the Satisfactory plus mod list

[worldly valve]

Its not a databox again

[fluid umbra]

That's how I missed the nanoassemblers. Or whatever they are called. It took me hours to find them because I didn't stop and look when I got the pda voice hint when I was in the right spot.

[worldly valve]

Thosw ones ive always been ratehr lucky woth but i get ya

[fiery fiber]

I can imagine. Haven't gotten around yet to trying plus. It's s good thing they compare with alot of stuff I like to use like fishing ficsit farming and refined power. Can't remember if industrial evolution works with it tho

[trail plinth]

||Nanites?|| even if you miss the message for them (I forget if there is one) ||you'll still find at least some of them naturally just by exploring||

[barren oar]

||i think they mean the ones for the vehicle constructor, which you definitely wont find by exploring since they're in the most fuckass of cave systems||

[marble creek]

Yeah I was about to say that he probably meant nanolathing drones

[barren oar]

||nanites are the stuff that auto repairs your base, right? ive never found them all myself but i did see what they do in creative||

[trail plinth]

oh right those things, forgot there were 2 things related

[trail plinth]

the message is saved, and gives a massive hint anyway

[barren oar]

does it? its just something about caves, last i recall

[trail plinth]

like you could deduce almost exactly where they are

[barren oar]

and there is. definitely more than one cave in subnatuica

[trail plinth]

it's more specific than that

[barren oar]

i see, i guess im just misremembering

[trail plinth]

like, extremely specific

[barren oar]

ill take your word for it since im not bothering with doing all the legacy crap myself

[trail plinth]

fair nuff

[barren oar]

(that and it would be nice to jump back into c2c in like a year or however long the 2.0 port takes, and being hit by new content)
-# though im not particularly keen on playing with the morale system since ill just have to metagame the decoration system in order to live, action which eats up precious resources. oh well

[marble creek]

Not only is it saved, you can also see it in exploration progress tab

But hey, nothing in c2c is easy when you start the first run

[barren oar]

that is a good point too, yeah

it didnt occur to me it'd be there since my first run through (when discovering things matters most, of course) it didn't exist yet

exploration findings gotta be the best qol c2c adds

[trail plinth]

it's essential for keeping track of relevant and important information, as well as figuring out which areas still have things to discover

[fluid umbra]

yes that is what I meant. 🙃

[fluid umbra]

Dude!!!!! Mine TOOO!!! I don't know what to do about that either I had to abandon the base for now.

[fluid umbra]

Do you still want help getting Legacy subnautica?

I used a SteamDBUI app to download the game with the corret manifest information from the SteamDB page. You have to login through the UI and validate through it otherwise it doesn't work.

I'm curious how others did it. I felt like I struggled unnecessarily. 🙃

[worldly valve]

Yeah actually if you dont respond thr that prompt good luck hahaha

[forest abyss]

yes

[worldly valve]

It can be a bit of a strugflw

There is a way to deal with it, but its also suuuuper easy to just miss

At rhe time i felt the biome tracker could have included in it...i think i was completed the biome that had my solution when i found it

But it very well.may be updated to have it

Or possibly my memory is foggy

But its a bit of a needle in a haystack

The other solution is to move your base or make a new base

Moving it couod cause an issue down the road, making new one may be better for now

Espeically if you dont have any good outposts

[reef willow]

press windows + r, type steam://nav/console and in the console type
download_depot 264710 264712 455616957047142657
the game files should end up in steamapps\content

[forest abyss]

for me it just doesn't launch

[fluid umbra]

Is it in the original subnautica location?

For example rename your 2.0 folder subnautica1 and the depot folder subnautica in its place, and steam should open it. I can show you mine if you would like.

[forest abyss]

i can't rename the depot folder at all because it says smth about being open in another program

[fluid umbra]

Resart the computer then try. Maybe it's just a little hung up. I used a different method, I couldn't figure out the console method. It didn't work for me until I found a way that had me login and validate my user information.

The console method I found would partially function than quit. It called for my username but would not prompt for a password. That's probably why it failed. It didn't actually login.

[fluid umbra]

I wish I had spoken to you sooner, it would have saved me 3 weeks of work🤣

But I managed to find an alternative method that works in the process.

[fluid umbra]

Switch the game's manifest file to read only so steam doesn't update it.

Disabling auto updated for a single game on steam is a pain.

[forest abyss]

instructions unclear, somehow managed to break subnautica (it says there's no executable)

[fluid umbra]

I do apologize, is your original subnautica 2.0 game folder and it's contents intact or did the depot download you used above replace it?

[fiery fiber]

This is why I haven't downgraded since the patch 😪

[fluid umbra]

It sounds like process didn't finish maybe. I'll walk you through my process later. I'm at dinner now

[errant cairn]

Should've kept a legacy version spare on your puter (steam doesn't check the versions once it's updated LMAO)

[fluid umbra]

I kept updating my forceably everytime I got mine downgraded to legacy 😭 until I found that tip to prevent updating.

[forest abyss]

alternatively, does epic games still use the legacy version of subnautica?

[reef willow]

it took me a while to find, but it was at most one day, I found a guide somewhere, just didn't say the right id/number I think, but yeah eventually I got it working

how much power does the bioprocessor need? I have 5025 power already and it still says it needs more

[fiery fiber]

Ya .. it automatically upgraded mine too. Sigh

[worldly valve]

Should be able to restore files but may need to purge mods..might be able to save shit but i almost always think its faster to pirge and reset

[fluid umbra]

I will post what file to change to read only soon. I did find which one it was from a video or from a help site post.

[fluid umbra]

Your location will vary, but this is the name of the file you need to switch to read only. this will prevent your game from auto-updating.

https://github.com/mmvanheusden/SteamDepotDownloaderGUI/releases/download/v3.0.1/SteamDepotDownloaderGUI-Windows-v3.0.1-x64.msi This is the software GUI I used to download my copy of subnautica legacy.

You can see here Subnautica 1 is my 2.0 folder renamed. Subnautica is my renamed Depot folder.

Hopefully this is a little more detailed.

[fiery fiber]

Wish we could get a fallout 4 downgrade mod for illiterates like me 🤷‍♂️

[reef willow]

can someone help with this?

[vocal crane]

this is my yearly c2c checkup

anything new

[trail ether]

are you trying to cheese it

[forest valve]

theres ways to cheese it?

[trail plinth]

There are anti-cheese mechanisms in place

[forest valve]

how do you cheese power consumption

[trail plinth]

The cheese comes from what you use as your power source iirc

[forest valve]

so using like 5 billion solar panels?

[trail plinth]

Yee

I think thermal plants might fall into that category as well, but thats just speculation on my part

The whole anti-cheese idea might also just be me misremembering as well, so take what i said with a grain of salt

[reef willow]

I'm using like 14 thermal plants and 8 solar panels or smth like that, I don't remember the exact number, you're saying I should diversify more? Also, I originally much less thermal plants (only 4), but kept building more to see if it worked.

[unreal flame]

c2c tries to heavily disincentivize use of "passive" power sources for the bioprocessor

[trail plinth]

Bioreactor supreme

[karmic drum]

But has little issue with me stacking 36 bio reactors (this is a joke. I haven't played in ages and can't remember what penalties there are)

[worldly valve]

I felt like even running 2 runs into weird issues, but its been forever

[errant cairn]

I have like 3 😭

And like 6-12 of those ||power storage thingys||

I'm supposed to have 12 but I couldn't gather the rss for it

[karmic drum]

It's the mushrooms for me 😭 at least until you start doing the funny bioprocessor thing to make unlimited acid

[errant cairn]

Is that a new(er) feature or have I just not gotten far enough in the game to reach that?

Also I live near the jellyshroom caves I have Yes acid shrooms

[errant cairn]

ohhh nvm im stupid

i read "bioreactor" like an idiot 😭

[trail plinth]

I think my current setup is like 4 thermal reactors and 4 bioreactors ||(with 1 battery and an ampeel antenna)|| and I still need to set up my nuclear reactor 😭

[karmic drum]

I could've semi sustained nuclear reactors. Had I actually managed to find electrolytes....

[errant cairn]

Ikr like where are they???? 😭

[karmic drum]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-0-like-a-dragon-0-kiryu-kazuma-finance-disco-gif-1781418676914550593

If I knew we wouldn't be here

[errant cairn]

Fr

[trail plinth]

Mmmmm yummy electrolytes

All for me none for thee

[errant cairn]

GOD i wanna hop on C2C. I shall in the morning

[trail plinth]

Dewit

[errant cairn]

I have 5 bioreactors 😭 😭 😭

It's doing: fuck all

[karmic drum]

This was probably a bad idea

[errant cairn]

eh it was alright

but sadly i still cant find the last god damn coral i need

i checked 0,0,0 its not there

[karmic drum]

Are... are you still on the last save from when I was actually active in here?

😭 😭

[errant cairn]

probably

it has over 2 days of play time in it 😭

[karmic drum]

Cause I remember you going on about not being able to find the last piece of the heat resistant coral literal months ago

[errant cairn]

yup

i might just have to unlock the item that has it

oh yeah I can regenerate it....i think

[forest abyss]

i finally installed legacy and c2c, is there any notable changes in c2c i should know about?

[trail plinth]

Which type?

[trail plinth]

The last update was several months ago, so it hasnt changed in a while. I dont remember how much was changed in those updates though

[quiet marsh]

If you mean since last Update, not much I can think of
If you mean from base game the answer is ALOT.

[errant cairn]

the one that is for the ||vent for plasteel||

[trail plinth]

ah, yeah have fun with those lmao--they're not too much of an issue, you just gotta keep an eye on your oxygen a bit, and keep track of where you've looked. Really scour each section the best you can and then just work backwards kinda thing is my recommendation

[errant cairn]

no i got it once i just went through everything i am now 100% certain my last 2 dont exist
unless they're not in the main cave?

@trail ether you have a fix? if not im softlocked

I already regenerated all of mine

in a different biome???

out of all that this is scanning, 19 scanner blips. not 21

[trail ether]

they are all in the same place

[errant cairn]

soo mine are bugged?

[trail plinth]

Uh oh spaghettio

[trail ether]

assuming they got loaded in to even appear on the scanner room

[errant cairn]

i went through literally all of that cave so idk. they could have been at the bottom under the floor again ig

[errant cairn]

like ????

is it or is it not recommended to use the unlock command to "fix" this bug?

[trail ether]

doing that will probably not break anything

[errant cairn]

okay ty

[karmic drum]

All those recipes and you can still can't make electrolytes

[worldly valve]

I dont thibk hes quite tgere

Currently hes struggling to get the filter to craft

[errant cairn]

im not far enough to get electrolytes

[worldly valve]

Which is looking weird

[errant cairn]

how do you build the geyser 😭

im struggling so hard

[worldly valve]

Yeah hes struggling. Watching him be able to build a foundation or a other things but not that

[errant cairn]

when full override doesnt work

i think the problem is that its too close to me

[karmic drum]

So um.... you're cold

Very very cold

[errant cairn]

i dont think thats an issue with my save rather a prefab set up issue because im hearing similar problems

[errant cairn]

i tried over a ||geyser|| also didnt work

[karmic drum]

Getting warmer. But not quite warm enough

[errant cairn]

one of those in the safe shallows isnt warm enough???? 😭

[karmic drum]

I went down to jellyshroom personally

[worldly valve]

Hes having that weird perspective thing too which isnt helping

[errant cairn]

also didnt work

[worldly valve]

|| mins was usually near bulb||

[errant cairn]

my main base is right above ||4 of those geysers|| and i went down to one of them and yeah

[errant cairn]

Even weirder: it worked the first time

[errant cairn]

like im doing this shit too 😭

[fluid umbra]

I remember having the same glitch and having to use commands to fix it when I played. the game doesn't spawn the correct amount

[trail plinth]

Huh, I havent had any issues placing mine, outside of 2nd degree burns anyway

[errant cairn]

i died when it worked

[worldly valve]

Wat

By drowning?

[trail plinth]

Burning probably

[unreal flame]

the ever-recurrent "user tries placing a freestanding filter" strikes again

[trail plinth]

what even are the limitations on ||the filter placement anyway? I had mine a decent ways below my seabase and it placed fine.|| spoilered just in case

[unreal flame]

some volume above the vents. to my knowledge it's fairly generous

[errant cairn]

You gave a thought let me get some homework done and I'll come back

[worldly valve]

Wait thats suppoaed to not work?

Ive literally only ever done that

[errant cairn]

i actually cant get the stuff i need

i got it to build

but i cant access it 😭

k nvm i got it

[carmine peak]

I have a question that I asked over and over again

is it still in legacy?

[trail ether]

yes

[errant cairn]

Hey Reika, I am curious, will you get SN2 when it drops in EA this year?