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faint summit Oct 12, 2025, 9:18 PM

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I've had it at 20 before, nothing changed

trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 9:20 PM

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I'm not good at reading debug information at all, so take my interpretation with a grain of salt: it looks like either there's a requirement missing to make it a leisure room, and that decor value is only one of the requirements, or something buggy is happening

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The (0/1*0) to me looks like it's comparing two values of either 0 or 1, and only presenting the option when both are set to 1, so decor being high enough is one value set to 1, but the other requirement isn't met so it's set to 0

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Again, I'm not good at reading debug info so don't consider my interpretation as something of particular value by itself

trail ether Oct 12, 2025, 9:27 PM

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in the log

trail ether Oct 12, 2025, 9:28 PM

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trail plinth The (0/1*0) to me looks like it's comparing two values of either 0 or 1, and onl...

SNUtil.writeToChat("Room at " + bc.transform.position + " has options " + options.toDebugString() + " & deco value " + decoRating + " (" + plantPanels + "/" + windows + "*" + this.getWindowDecoValue(bb, bc, hasGlassRoof, debug) + ")");

faint summit Oct 12, 2025, 9:34 PM

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Oh I see.

trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 9:34 PM

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trail ether `SNUtil.writeToChat("Room at " + bc.transform.position + " has options " + optio...

I know how to read that even less 😭

trail ether Oct 12, 2025, 9:35 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/hudIZ6S.png

Imgur

trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 9:35 PM

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deco value, deco rating, has plants, has windows, has glass roof?

trail ether Oct 12, 2025, 9:36 PM

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number plant panels & number windows

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with a glass roof being worth 3 windows

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https://i.imgur.com/sIz2kP6.png https://i.imgur.com/90Xv0Xi.png

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trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 9:37 PM

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oooooohhhh okay

trail ether Oct 12, 2025, 9:39 PM

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        private float getLeisureDecoThreshold(BaseCell cell) {
            float val = AqueousEngineeringMod.config.getFloat(AEConfig.ConfigEntries.LEISUREDECO);
            if (QModManager.API.QModServices.Main.ModPresent("FCSAlterraHub"))
                val = val * 1.25F + 5;
            if (this.isLargeRoom(cell))
                val *= 1.5F;
            return val;
        }```

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this is why the threshold is not listed in the PDA

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it is not constant

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https://i.imgur.com/pjSjw8Y.png

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exotic apex Oct 12, 2025, 9:41 PM

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Code Jumpscare

trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 9:48 PM

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so the moral(e) of the story is that there are multiple factors being considered for a leisure room

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also wait there's a glass roof???

faint summit Oct 12, 2025, 9:50 PM

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Pretty sure that's for the 2.0 version, the glass roof

trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 9:50 PM

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c2c isn't on 2.0

faint summit Oct 12, 2025, 9:50 PM

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The code she's showing is is probably for 2.0.

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It even has large rooms in it.

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Unless that's just the internal name for multipurpose rooms.

trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 9:51 PM

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I think that's the case yeah

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I don't think reika would post snippets of code for 2.0 in a conversation relating to the reqiurments for a leisure room on legacy

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plus yeah, legacy predates the large rooms on 2.0/below zero, so it'd make sense that they'd be called that natively

exotic apex Oct 12, 2025, 9:55 PM

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I mean, there is no debug item code for "LargeRoom", even the ones ported from BZ are "BaseLargeRoom", while regular multipurpose rooms are "BaseRoom"

trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 9:55 PM

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shrug

exotic apex Oct 12, 2025, 10:02 PM

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Well, I have no idea how to get the depot to work, guess I'm not gonna be playing legacy lmao

trail ether Oct 12, 2025, 10:57 PM

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trail plinth also wait there's a glass roof???

added in BZ/2.0

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i had someone get me the GO structure for a room with a glass roof in 2.0 and pre-emptively coded it in

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https://i.imgur.com/01JAki3.png

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faint summit Oct 12, 2025, 11:03 PM

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Alright, operation ||release a bunch of ampeels into the blood crawler nest|| is a go.

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Will report results.

trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 11:55 PM

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trail ether i had someone get me the GO structure for a room with a glass roof in 2.0 and pr...

ahhh that explains it

trail plinth Oct 12, 2025, 11:55 PM

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faint summit Alright, operation ||release a bunch of ampeels into the blood crawler nest|| is...

LMAO nice

karmic drum Oct 12, 2025, 11:56 PM

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faint summit Alright, operation ||release a bunch of ampeels into the blood crawler nest|| is...

I'm pretty sure you need that disgusting thing alive KEKW

trail plinth Oct 13, 2025, 12:06 AM

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karmic drum I'm pretty sure you need that disgusting thing alive <:KEKW:793573817099616286>

the ||larvae|| or the ||brood mothers?||

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also ||GET CLEMMED||

faint summit Oct 13, 2025, 2:54 AM

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Omg finally, apparently what was preventing it from being a leisure space was ||it not having a 100% room rating||.

karmic drum Oct 13, 2025, 3:01 AM

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faint summit Omg finally, apparently what was preventing it from being a leisure space was ||...

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

Tenor

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 4:41 AM

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I am curious what a "highly mineralized environment" is listed in the water filtration systems databank entry

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ok why the fuck did my sea moth just teleport below 500m out of no where

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I need to redo one of the fragment hunts now

trail plinth Oct 13, 2025, 4:52 AM

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pearl pier I am curious what a "highly mineralized environment" is listed in the water filt...

you'll find out don't worry

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 5:05 AM

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just my theory but it might mean an environment with a high concentration of minerals

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not certain, however

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 5:07 AM

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oh

trail plinth Oct 13, 2025, 5:07 AM

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yeah

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 5:07 AM

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i just looked through my voice logs

trail plinth Oct 13, 2025, 5:07 AM

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oh

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 5:07 AM

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I think I know what biome it is

trail plinth Oct 13, 2025, 5:07 AM

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from a voice log?

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or did you mean entry in your databank

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 5:08 AM

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no I mean the one time voice lines from entering biomes

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god I completely forgot where the ACU blueprints are, guess ill just go knock out the wrecks I still need to do on this playthrough Nevermind I just go it

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btw the animations setting morale to 75 bug is still there for interacting with scanner room camera, opening/closing bulkheads and opening wreck doors

trail plinth Oct 13, 2025, 5:20 AM

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oof, thought that was fixed. Haven't had that issue in weeks

trail plinth Oct 13, 2025, 5:41 AM

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I did have a bug where operating my camera would allow my morale to go up over time as if I wasn't in a locatoin that sapped my morale, but it never got set to 75 like that

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 6:11 AM

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so uh turns out the visual bug that removes water is completely unrelated to the elevator getting deleted in my last save

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there is just a specific point around the QEP that does this

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if you swim through it

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Entering and exiting the QEP seems to fix it

trail plinth Oct 13, 2025, 6:25 AM

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dang, all of my efforts to check if that bug still existed have been in vain

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 6:39 AM

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iirc it happened to me while piloting the prawn too

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need to go into the debug menu (f3?) and play around in there, enabling "water volume" or something

trail ether Oct 13, 2025, 7:10 AM

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faint summit Omg finally, apparently what was preventing it from being a leisure space was ||...

that percentage is literally the percentageo f the leisure threshold

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 8:04 AM

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so um

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im standing in my acu

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and cannot get out

forest valve Oct 13, 2025, 8:05 AM

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unstuck

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button

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 8:53 AM

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so am I missing something with carnivorous fauna or do they just make feces REALLY slowly

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have 3 crabsnakes

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 9:13 AM

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ok its been another 20 minutes and nothing so idk

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 9:18 AM

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personally, i didnt even get to generate any poop, which apparently was because i had no waste collection system set up? (but why would the creatures shitting be determined by whether a collection system exists?)

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nevertheless, you get way more than enough with one trip to the treaders to where i think you really dont need an acu shitting setup

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 9:27 AM

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Its more just rhe inventory space issue

errant cairn Oct 13, 2025, 1:06 PM

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barren oar iirc it happened to me while piloting the prawn too

this Happened in prototype. There were several water related bugs with the Architect structures for Prototype

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Actually happened to me while playing Prototype, I had to go into the F3 menu to get it to enable again

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 2:56 PM

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Any tips to find ||nano carbon|| i just cant find any for the life of me ?

errant cairn Oct 13, 2025, 2:58 PM

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look up

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randomly

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thats ur hint

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 2:59 PM

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ok ty

errant cairn Oct 13, 2025, 2:59 PM

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np

worldly valve Oct 13, 2025, 3:43 PM

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warm smelt Any tips to find ||nano carbon|| i just cant find any for the life of me ?

What do you know about it

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 3:45 PM

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I know how it spawnns and things but after seeing the ||metor ||i would drive there and there would be jack squat

worldly valve Oct 13, 2025, 3:46 PM

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How fast have you manages to get to the meteor, give me more details if you can too

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 3:47 PM

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Like within 2 mins

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i had a weird visual bug were part of my map were disappering so i had to use perirfal verison i couldnt directly look last time i got this far

worldly valve Oct 13, 2025, 3:50 PM

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weird

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so you cant llook directly atit?

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tha makes it harder...

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it doesnt last in the water too lon

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g

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 4:04 PM

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Yeah like my auroa would disapper

karmic drum Oct 13, 2025, 5:08 PM

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warm smelt Like within 2 mins

What mode of transportation are you using?

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:08 PM

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I was using seamoth cus i couldnt get anything faster

karmic drum Oct 13, 2025, 5:08 PM

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warm smelt I was using seamoth cus i couldnt get anything faster

So you haven't made the laser cutter then yet?

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:08 PM

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No i needed nanocarbon iirc

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for the battery

karmic drum Oct 13, 2025, 5:09 PM

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warm smelt for the battery

No. The recipe has changed since you last played. It doesn't take Nanocarbon in it's crafting anymore

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:09 PM

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ooh

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 5:23 PM

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karmic drum No. The recipe has changed since you last played. It doesn't take Nanocarbon in ...

WAIT IT USED TO TAKE NANO CARBON?

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That sounds awful

karmic drum Oct 13, 2025, 5:30 PM

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pearl pier WAIT IT USED TO TAKE NANO CARBON?

I've never seen that recipe lol. They must be coming back after ages.

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 5:36 PM

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warm smelt i had a weird visual bug were part of my map were disappering so i had to use pe...

are you using performance booster

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because you shouldnt its so ass

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:36 PM

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I wasnt iirc

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 5:36 PM

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i noticed no positive change from it

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hm. then im out of ideas

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thats the only mod i know that limits render distance

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(which is what would cause you to not be able to look at faraway objects head-on)

trail ether Oct 13, 2025, 5:38 PM

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karmic drum No. The recipe has changed since you last played. It doesn't take Nanocarbon in ...

`"anymore"? it never did

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ever

trail ether Oct 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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pearl pier WAIT IT USED TO TAKE NANO CARBON?

no

pearl pier Oct 13, 2025, 5:40 PM

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trail ether no

Ok good rhat would be insane lol

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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I knew i needed something that needed nano carbon before i could get laser cutter cus i remember quitting 24 hours in

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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you dont need it until pretty late in the playthrough

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or at least, thats how it currently is

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laser cutter you can probably even get before one even has the chance to spawn, really

karmic drum Oct 13, 2025, 5:43 PM

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trail ether `"anymore"? it never did

Huh. Well then they're tripping out ig 😂

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:43 PM

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barren oar laser cutter you can probably even get before one even has the chance to spawn, ...

dayum i was 24 hours in

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I had already been to the void and the crash land areas and stuff

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i think i wanted a cyclops iirc

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 5:44 PM

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💀 dawg why are you aiming for a cyclops before the cutter

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besides the fact that its utter shit, its locked pretty far as well

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:45 PM

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I cant remeber it was like 1.5 years ago

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i ended up deleting c2c and just using fcs mods

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 5:45 PM

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lol

exotic apex Oct 13, 2025, 5:50 PM

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warm smelt i think i wanted a cyclops iirc

Nanocarbon is like, Late-Mid or Early-Late game material from what I can gather. I still haven't found a recipe that needs it (Besides maybe the cyclops, I don't have the recipes for all of it's components) and I was going on a save playtime of around 4 days lol

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:50 PM

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WoW

exotic apex Oct 13, 2025, 5:51 PM

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TBF, I am spooked by dark and sounds, so I was taking some stuff slow, but still

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 5:51 PM

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yeah i think the idea is that you have a sizeable stock by the time you need them

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the obvious problem with that, however, being that its a miserable experience trying to obtain it...

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at least, up until you have [thing]

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well, [thing 1] and [thing 2]

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:52 PM

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Time to figure out how to get my mods to actually work

exotic apex Oct 13, 2025, 5:53 PM

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I had basically gone everywhere except for like, the 2 ||Redacted|| lifepods, or Lost River and beyond

warm smelt Oct 13, 2025, 5:54 PM

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Dayum

exotic apex Oct 13, 2025, 5:54 PM

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So if you need nanocarbon, it's after one of those lmao

karmic drum Oct 13, 2025, 5:58 PM

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barren oar well, [thing 1] and [thing 2]

There's a thing 2? Dang sounds like I only ever found thing 1.

barren oar Oct 13, 2025, 6:00 PM

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one's helpful by way of being helpful across the board, the other's specific

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if that helps narrow it down

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there is not, in fact, an upgraded version of [thing] that does what it does but better

exotic apex Oct 13, 2025, 6:23 PM

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I'm gonna guess Reika accounted for this, but I still think it would be funny if you got like, super lucky and a meteor landed within range of an item collector lmao

faint summit Oct 13, 2025, 6:55 PM

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I just realized that azurite batteries ||charge when near intense heat||.

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I got my face scorched repeatedly to confirm it but that's really cool.

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Also

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I'm stinking rich lads

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Azurite battery propulsion cannon to pull azurite off of the thermal geyser stalks is so good.

errant cairn Oct 13, 2025, 8:44 PM

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faint summit I'm stinking rich lads

Bro has a ||scroll wheel for an inventory||

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Also how and why

faint summit Oct 13, 2025, 8:56 PM

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Bag inventory mod

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Has two upgrades for inventory size

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Oh my sweet jesus

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Nanocarbon actually spawned

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There is hope

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TWO spawned

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I found another on the way back.

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It crashed right above my base

karmic drum Oct 13, 2025, 9:26 PM

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faint summit It crashed right above my base

Now you just have to find the thing. And then getting it isn't as much of a gamble

karmic drum Oct 13, 2025, 9:26 PM

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faint summit Bag inventory mod

I'm sort of suprised that hasn't been blacklisted honestly

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Doesn't seem the type of think Reika would like very much

faint summit Oct 13, 2025, 9:41 PM

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If seamoth arms got integration, not sure something like bag inventory would be the breaking point.

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If the crafting chains weren't so intensive then I wouldn't consider using it.

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Well, I probably would, but it definitely makes it more warented in my eyes.

trail plinth Oct 13, 2025, 10:06 PM

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I think passed a certain point, inventory capacity becomes less relevant because you've already passed all the hurdles to do a given thing. The only thing I could see it being too strong for is the ||void spikes|| considering the challenges present there don't really go away with progression level

faint summit Oct 13, 2025, 10:25 PM

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It definitely makes it to where you have to go back there less.

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The fact of the matter is this, I wanted more inventory space to hoard the many items you need in this mod so I installed an inventory upgrade mod. There is no justification necessary for how each individual person enjoys their playthrough of the mod, short of simply having earlier tier equipment or spawning materials sooner than you are intended to obtain them.

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There is a list on the mod site of things that compromise the integrity of the mod as a whole and expanded inventory space is not among them.

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That being said, I would still use it regardless.

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The last two bag upgrades are only obtainable after getting access to synthetic fiber. In vanilla this is not a difficult task, in C2C however that is a much different story.

worldly valve Oct 13, 2025, 10:54 PM

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trail plinth I think passed a certain point, inventory capacity becomes less relevant because...

so i think the area is pretty chill>.>

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getting there is a bit harder

unreal flame Oct 13, 2025, 11:02 PM

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oh interesting, an inventory upgrader that requires progression

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does the player start off with the base inv size?

faint summit Oct 13, 2025, 11:26 PM

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Yes

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There are three tiers, each tier unlocks two more rows to your inventory.

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the last two require synthetic fiber.

trail ether Oct 13, 2025, 11:34 PM

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i might try that mod myself

faint summit Oct 13, 2025, 11:58 PM

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I had used it on 2.0 first and was surprised to see it in legacy.

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https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/493?tab=description

Nexus Mods :: Subnautica

Bag equipment

Increases inventory.

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Link for anyone interested.

trail ether Oct 14, 2025, 12:35 AM

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it says it needs "advanced inventory" and nautilus...

barren oar Oct 14, 2025, 12:43 AM

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there's a version whose description contains legacy, is there not?

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interestingly, it has 7x the amount of downloads

unreal flame Oct 14, 2025, 12:56 AM

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faint summit There are three tiers, each tier unlocks two more rows to your inventory.

i see.

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honestly could be interesting to have it limit the player inv early on (maybe 2-4 rows) as extra tiers needed to craft

trail ether Oct 14, 2025, 12:57 AM

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that would have to be rapidly alleviated

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like as soon as you find sandstone rapidly

unreal flame Oct 14, 2025, 12:58 AM

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i'm thinking very early for 6 rows total, early midgame for basegame rows (8)

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certainly pre-seamoth

trail ether Oct 14, 2025, 1:01 AM

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that would be painful with C2C

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early midgame is like deeper grand reef and dunes

unreal flame Oct 14, 2025, 1:13 AM

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oh, earlier than that for sure

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pre-seamoth, post-seaglide moreso

trail plinth Oct 14, 2025, 1:15 AM

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Does it start you with fewer inventory slots by default?

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I figured it might be a case where you get upgrades to your inventory based on depth progression, starting at liquid breathing or something, to help keep the relative balance in c2c at least, but thats just me

unreal flame Oct 14, 2025, 1:48 AM

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trail plinth Does it start you with fewer inventory slots by default?

nope, i mostly just floated it as an idea

errant cairn Oct 14, 2025, 2:02 AM

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trail ether it says it needs "advanced inventory" and nautilus...

It doesn't. Nexus just says that because that's how it's set up, I don't even think you can set it up on Nexus to have different requirements per file

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 2:04 AM

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trail ether it says it needs "advanced inventory" and nautilus...

The legacy version does not need nautilus.

errant cairn Oct 14, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Yea replace Nautilus with SMLHelper

trail plinth Oct 14, 2025, 2:21 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/nautilus-shell-living-fossil-gif-26622378

Tenor

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you're telling me we don't need this lil guy?

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Fuckers caused me too much trouble in Terror From the Deep.

errant cairn Oct 14, 2025, 2:36 AM

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trail plinth you're telling me we don't need this lil guy?

Yes

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 3:14 AM

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Oh man, found the wreck for the FCS depot and drone bay.

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Didn't think there would be entirely new wrecks for FCS stuff.

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 3:31 AM

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Take a guess at what was in the capsule

trail plinth Oct 14, 2025, 3:44 AM

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hmmmm, judging by the image and text..........a full english breakfast

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 4:17 AM

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I left my sons here long ago, I never thought I'd be back in the crash site but I decided to visit.

forest valve Oct 14, 2025, 10:24 AM

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faint summit Has two upgrades for inventory size

three

forest valve Oct 14, 2025, 10:25 AM

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faint summit

so water escaped the planet with a time capsule thar had water bottles

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if watwr cna become sentient and escape, then u can too bro

karmic drum Oct 14, 2025, 1:01 PM

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faint summit Oh man, found the wreck for the FCS depot and drone bay.

I'm jealous. I've only been to the old wrecks so far

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 6:54 PM

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I wouldn't be so jealous, who knows were Reika put the ore consumer blueprint.

karmic drum Oct 14, 2025, 7:07 PM

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faint summit I wouldn't be so jealous, who knows were Reika put the ore consumer blueprint.

Oooh. It's 3 separate wrecks....

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Diabolically genius

unreal flame Oct 14, 2025, 7:22 PM

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wait you have to go to all of them?

karmic drum Oct 14, 2025, 7:23 PM

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Oh wait...

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He said

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Wreck

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Not wrecks

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So it seems like the two parts are in one new one. While the ore processor is somewhere else

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 8:13 PM

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karmic drum Oooh. It's 3 separate wrecks....

The depot and drone were in one wreck.

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The ore consumer is probably in the void spikes for all I know lmao.

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Ah here we go again, the famous game of hunt down the last geyser coral piece.

trail plinth Oct 14, 2025, 9:56 PM

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oh I love that game!!

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 9:57 PM

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I genuinely have no idea where it is, I got both of the ones at each entrance to the cave and the one in the geyser itself. Now I'm just lost.

trail plinth Oct 14, 2025, 9:57 PM

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I was lost for a bit too, reika put them in some sneaky spots

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there are a couple brain corals in that cave system so it's okay to take your time and be thorough

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 9:59 PM

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My seamoth got pushed through the floor by a bone shark when I was in the cave and has now exploded.

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sadsponch

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This is the second time this has happened.

trail plinth Oct 14, 2025, 10:09 PM

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oooooof

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I generally bring my seamoth into the first room without the bonesharks

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 10:31 PM

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Ok so apparently you can scan for geyser coral now.

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There was one piece ||in the middle of the mushroom forest|| for some reason, just chillaxing.

karmic drum Oct 14, 2025, 10:53 PM

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faint summit There was one piece ||in the middle of the mushroom forest|| for some reason, ju...

I don't thibj think that's supposed to go there KEKW

faint summit Oct 14, 2025, 10:56 PM

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Reika can chime in on whether it's a bug or not.

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What is a bug is that I still can't seem to get sunbeam debris to generate.

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Built a scanner, I go to where it tells me it is and there's still nothing.

worldly valve Oct 14, 2025, 11:20 PM

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trail plinth I generally bring my seamoth into the first room without the bonesharks

Does your seamoth go haywire in the cave?

worldly valve Oct 14, 2025, 11:20 PM

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faint summit Ok so apparently you can scan for geyser coral now.

It kicks it at some point after 50%

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Tho it used to be a bit quicker

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At least it felt quicker

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 12:04 AM

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Get em boys, this is our nest now!

karmic drum Oct 15, 2025, 12:09 AM

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faint summit Get em boys, this is our nest now!

I hope the crawlers aren't... required for the larva to regenerate

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😅

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 12:09 AM

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They're still alive, the ampeels did shock them quite a bit though.

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They deload whenever you get even slightly far away from them so it's fine.

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 12:25 AM

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Haha die trash

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The giant particle that floods the screen when they get shocked never gets old.

errant cairn Oct 15, 2025, 12:31 AM

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faint summit The giant particle that floods the screen when they get shocked never gets old.

Yes

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More

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Torture them more

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Channel your anger

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And hatred towards

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I mean what?

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 12:32 AM

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bruceree

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I'll never understand why ampeels have 5000 hp

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They're a menace

errant salmon Oct 15, 2025, 12:37 AM

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faint summit There was one piece ||in the middle of the mushroom forest|| for some reason, ju...

How’d you get that

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 12:38 AM

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Get what? The coral piece in the forest? Not sure man.

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If you're referring to the impact prediction in the corner, it's ||a device you can build when you get a piece of nanocarbon. It's constructed in the scanner room.||

karmic drum Oct 15, 2025, 12:39 AM

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faint summit If you're referring to the impact prediction in the corner, it's ||a device you ...

Well you need the bp as well as the nanocarbon

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 12:44 AM

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faint summit There was one piece ||in the middle of the mushroom forest|| for some reason, ju...

what in the fuck, I don't think that's supposed to be there

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 12:44 AM

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worldly valve Does your seamoth go haywire in the cave?

Not really, unless you mean the ||hotter|| caves

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 1:08 AM

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Oh baby a triple

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 1:11 AM

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Oh what

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They can be more than one now

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Thata neat

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 1:20 AM

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Two of them landed in the crater edge sadsponch

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 1:20 AM

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That happens

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I always love when im xping then they go behind the aurora or island clouds

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Then i turn around and give up😂

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 1:22 AM

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One landed on the aurora, probably spawned underneath it.

trail ether Oct 15, 2025, 1:29 AM

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faint summit Reika can chime in on whether it's a bug or not.

it is

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very much so

unreal flame Oct 15, 2025, 1:32 AM

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faint summit There was one piece ||in the middle of the mushroom forest|| for some reason, ju...

https://youtu.be/WFg0vTeXhWs

YouTube

Jell

Oh, Hi mr frog :)

▶ Play video

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 1:35 AM

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Ok so my performance started shitting itself when I placed a particulate filter down. Does geyser performance fix have anything to do with that?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 1:46 AM

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Never heard of that mod

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The geyser filtwrs def ate a lag source

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I leave mine at 99% built normally

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 1:47 AM

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Its odd though because last playthrough it was fine.

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 1:58 AM

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Things like that are also a little inconsistent report wise

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Ive also had jt be okay

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But i still take precautions

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An area i wish didnt always have big lag

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Is putting a baze a certain river entrance

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Its sad because that entrance is the best one

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But i always take down any bases ive put withing like...700m of thay spot

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 2:00 AM

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It may just depend on the geyser you place it in.

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The ones in the bulb zone were fine.

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 2:31 AM

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Very likely

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Tho ive had issues in the biome

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But its hard to troublwshoot these things

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 3:48 AM

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huh, I don't tihnk I've had any noticeable lag from geysers or filters

errant cairn Oct 15, 2025, 12:25 PM

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Never tried to run it but I'll bet my PC could handle it OkayChamp

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 3:19 PM

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It's not "geysers or filters" it's just the filter.

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When built over certain geysers the framerate drops to single digits.

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 4:32 PM

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Welp, havent had any issues with the geyser i put mine over

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 4:52 PM

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Ok so equiping another liquid breathing system mid dive emptied both of them of their breathing fluid supply.

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Is that intended?

warm smelt Oct 15, 2025, 4:53 PM

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idk but it sound correct

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 4:53 PM

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I'm not so sure that it is.

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That's a massive resource investment to just have all your breathing fluid disappear.

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 5:19 PM

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I didn't even switch breathing tanks and it emptied it out anyways.

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Something is off for sure.

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Oh nvm, I did, but even switching tanks inside of the seamoth empties one of them.

karmic drum Oct 15, 2025, 6:07 PM

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faint summit Is that intended?

It sounds like it is. I don't particularly think that packing in multiple lq tanks is an intended exploration mechanic

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 6:08 PM

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Ok you don't even need to swap them out, one just empties out when you use the other for some reason.

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I guess you just can't use two at all.

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Welp, that's a fair amount of resources down the drain.

karmic drum Oct 15, 2025, 6:09 PM

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faint summit Welp, that's a fair amount of resources down the drain.

Play stupid ganes and win stupid prizes KEKW

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 6:11 PM

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Ok, what possibly was stupid about the idea.

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Do tell.

unreal flame Oct 15, 2025, 7:26 PM

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The liquid breathing system works by filling your respiratory system with breathing fluid

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To remove it, you also have to remove the liquid from your lungs

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Now, it probably shouldn’t be dumping the reserve tank if it is, but it is intended for swapping it out to not work in situ

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 7:41 PM

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Yeah but the breathing liquid is thicker than water, it wouldn't just rush out of your lungs when you take it off to switch out another one.

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Anyways, that wasn't really what was happening, the other tank wouold just empty itself when you went into water with two of them, very rapidly at that.

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If you're not supposed to have two on you to extend breathing time then it ultimately doesn't matter but I do think it's an unintended interaction.

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Also the respirator feeding liquid into your lungs isn't being removed, you're just changing out the tanks (in theory).

unreal flame Oct 15, 2025, 7:49 PM

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it's very much the case that you aren't meant to try and use two, yes. very direct choice by reika

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:02 PM

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faint summit Ok so equiping another liquid breathing system mid dive emptied both of them of ...

It sucks but i believe its intended...tbo it makes little sense

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:03 PM

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unreal flame To remove it, you also have to remove the liquid from your lungs

Couldnt there be a similar valve system that would work sinilar to switching air tanks underwater?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:04 PM

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unreal flame it's very much the case that you aren't meant to try and use two, yes. very dire...

Its lame that there is no warning about it

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Shoukd be in the pda entry maybe

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Uaing 2 systems causes malfunctions or somethib

unreal flame Oct 15, 2025, 8:06 PM

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warnings would probably be warranted, yes

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both a note about switching underwater being ill-advised, and maybe a confirmation prompt if you try to take one off or swap one out underwater

unreal flame Oct 15, 2025, 8:07 PM

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worldly valve Couldnt there be a similar valve system that would work sinilar to switching air...

arguably this is how the "active" and "reserve" tanks work anyway

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just assume that any tank that is not equipped has everything in the reserve tank

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does that make sense realism-wise? not really, but the two tanks existing in the first place doesn't either.

it also doesn't make sense for the basegame tanks to only ever go up to like, two and a half minutes of oxygen; we're not going for realism here in the first place

warm smelt Oct 15, 2025, 8:10 PM

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subnautica most realstic game

unreal flame Oct 15, 2025, 8:10 PM

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if unequipped tanks still display a value in the "active" tank, i'd suggest that the "active" tank be emptied upon unequip from the tank slot

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emptied into the reserve tank, for clarity

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no fluid loss, just better clarification on "you can't actually use this like that"

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(i kinda want to make an argument for the ability to reconstitute "used" breathing fluid, since it's literally just a medium that can still bear dissolved oxygen to the lungs)

karmic drum Oct 15, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I was just referring to how Reika doesn't appreciate people cheesing her mod xD

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:19 PM

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faint summit Ok so equiping another liquid breathing system mid dive emptied both of them of ...

Reika has expressed disdain for the 'swapping air tanks mid-dive for extra air' thing before, so I would imagine she did that on purpose. Even if it isnt intended I dont imagine she would make it viable since it would break intended mechanics

rapid cloud Oct 15, 2025, 8:19 PM

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karmic drum I was just referring to how Reika doesn't appreciate people cheesing her mod xD

The path to true game dev is finding all the ways people cheesed your creation, making them into a compilation, and watching it all for some laughs.

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Also, my base has a breach somewhere that cannot be fixed or found. Guess I have a dedicated pool room now.

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:33 PM

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unreal flame emptied *into* the reserve tank, for clarity

Super agree with this

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When i first encountered this problem

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I didnt realsie it until i refilled my tanks a couple times

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Its a very quiet problem

rapid cloud Oct 15, 2025, 8:33 PM

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rapid cloud Also, my base has a breach somewhere that cannot be fixed *or* found. Guess I ha...

I wonder, is there some kind of cheat or something to fix a base instantly? I really don't want to rebuild all parts one by one to fix some 4th dimensional hull breach.

warm smelt Oct 15, 2025, 8:34 PM

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Is the dependices for c2c only ecclibrary and the other reika mods

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:36 PM

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trail plinth Reika has expressed disdain for the 'swapping air tanks mid-dive for extra air' ...

Making it unviable is one thing

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But you lose air in the bigger tank suuuuuuper fast

rapid cloud Oct 15, 2025, 8:39 PM

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warm smelt Is the dependices for c2c only ecclibrary and the other reika mods

I'd say this is as close to pure c2c as it gets. 7 mods for the experience itself, two separate dependencies (ECCLibrary and Modding Helper, which is called SMLHelper) and Terrain Patcher as an optional but recommended addition.

warm smelt Oct 15, 2025, 8:40 PM

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werid my sea to sea refues to load even with those mods

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+fcs

rapid cloud Oct 15, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Radial Tabs were also recommended because quite a lot of new options in crafting may look weird.

rapid cloud Oct 15, 2025, 8:41 PM

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warm smelt werid my sea to sea refues to load even with those mods

Did you make sure you were playing on Legacy?

warm smelt Oct 15, 2025, 8:41 PM

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Yeah

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feb 2021

rapid cloud Oct 15, 2025, 8:41 PM

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Because I remember seeing something about the actual game devs removing Legacy options, whatever that was about.

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You will need to do some troubleshooting, like remove FCS and see if it launches then.

warm smelt Oct 15, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Sea to sea cannot be loaded what

rapid cloud Oct 15, 2025, 8:46 PM

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Maybe it got corrupted during download or something?

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On a side note, I hate how every game restart causes the propulsion gun swap to reset back to mouse scroll up for some reason.

warm smelt Oct 15, 2025, 8:49 PM

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rapid cloud Maybe it got corrupted during download or something?

just redownloaded it so unless the websites is corrupted

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:49 PM

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worldly valve But you lose air in the bigger tank suuuuuuper fast

The big air tank or the liquid breathing tank? Either way thats still an intended mechanic. Losing air/breathing fluid quickly is part of the design and balance

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:53 PM

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rapid cloud I'd say this is as close to pure c2c as it gets. 7 mods for the experience itsel...

Its recxomendes to uae easycraft

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Without it your playtime goes uo by several hours😂

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:54 PM

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trail plinth The big air tank or the liquid breathing tank? Either way thats still an intende...

Liquid

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:54 PM

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trail plinth The big air tank or the liquid breathing tank? Either way thats still an intende...

Not what i mean

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:54 PM

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Just using it normally?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:54 PM

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So your second liquid tank in the inventory

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The primary tank is the big portion right?

rapid cloud Oct 15, 2025, 8:55 PM

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worldly valve Without it your playtime goes uo by several hours😂

It's already going up because I can't find the devilish creation that is the Bioprocessor.

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:55 PM

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The one with 1800 seconds

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:55 PM

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What?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:55 PM

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The liquid tank has 2 tanks

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One that holds 150

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:55 PM

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The liquid breathing tank has the main storage you fill from, and the one you actively use when diving

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Yeah

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:55 PM

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And the other sidr that holds the 18pp

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The 1800 is the one that drains while in inventory

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:56 PM

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The 1800 is the one that recharges in a vehicle/powered seabase

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:56 PM

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Yes

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It is thr tank tjat drains under 500m

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:56 PM

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The 150 is used while diving

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Yes

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:56 PM

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Its weird

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Weird af

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:56 PM

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Its liquid breathing, so yeah

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:56 PM

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Mbut why does the tabk drain

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It should be sealed with a valve

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:57 PM

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If the 1800 doesnt drain while youre outside of a vehicle/seabase with power

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:57 PM

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Its be better if it was the 150 second tank drained

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:57 PM

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If it does theres probably something wrong

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:57 PM

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trail plinth If the 1800 doesnt drain while youre outside of a vehicle/seabase with power

It does

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Below 500m

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:57 PM

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Ive never had that happen

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:57 PM

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Go try it for a minute

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It only hapoens if in inventory

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Not when equiped

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So ig you decide to use two

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It usually uses like

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:58 PM

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So, if you dive below 500m with the liquid breathing unequipped?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:58 PM

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3000 seconds of ait

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 8:58 PM

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trail plinth So, if you dive below 500m with the liquid breathing unequipped?

Correct.

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It essentially is for punishing someone useing two tanks

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 8:59 PM

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Ive never done that because if im below 500m for an extended period of time i have my liquid breathing tank equipped, and I only make one

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:00 PM

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worldly valve It essentially is for punishing someone useing two tanks

Yeah? I dont know if thats the point but it would still be justified imo

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:00 PM

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Why?

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Why woukd the tank drain?

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It would be a less punishing mechanic if it was just the 150 seconds that drained

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:00 PM

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I just said i dont know if that was the point or if thats just a bug

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:00 PM

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And achieves the same effect

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You also said it would be justifies

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Why?

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:01 PM

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I meant punishing players for using multiple tanks like that, since that would break progression to an extent

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I didnt specifically mean draining the second tank

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:02 PM

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I just dont understand reikas dislike for using muktiple tanks

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Its diving 101

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Its weird that its not expected

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:02 PM

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Because it isnt an intended mechanic, and ive explained it before that diving irl is not 1:1 with diving in subnautica

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:02 PM

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Sure but it is an intende dmechanic in the base game

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Intended and expected

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:02 PM

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I think we went over this as well

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:02 PM

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And again, there are ways of disabling the second tank

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Without just punishing the player

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And it also gives 0 warning which is the roughest part

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:04 PM

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If its an intended mechanic in the base game then yeah, but as far as im aware it is more of a byproduct of how air tanks were implemented, and so there doesnt need to be a warning for 'hey dont abuse this unintended mechanic'

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:04 PM

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Its an obviously intended mehcanic

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Reference the lighr high capaciry tank

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And ultra high capacity tanj

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Tank

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:05 PM

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trail plinth If its an intended mechanic in the base game then yeah, but as far as im aware i...

If you didnt have reikas words, you could not know the mechanics was unintended

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:06 PM

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Ive played base subnautica before meeting reika, and not once did i swap airtanks like that

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:06 PM

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It should be madr aparent in the game its unintended

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Yeah but as per the coding snd design of subnautica

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Its a pretty onviously intended mechanic

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:07 PM

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Also the lightweight air tank says increased maneuverability, while the ultra high capacity tank only specifies the penalty

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:07 PM

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And again, my main argumebt is she could make using multiple liquid tanks possible

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Without actively punishing the player for trying an obvious idea

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:07 PM

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I think we both have different understandings of what 'obvious' is

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Just because you and a lot of other people do it doesnt mean its obvious and intended

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:08 PM

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I mean the tanks show how much air they habe currently in inventory

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:08 PM

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trail plinth Just because you and a lot of other people do it doesnt mean its obvious and int...

The coding and descriptipns prove its intended

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:08 PM

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Yes, because they also show how much air they have when equipped

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Theyre items with a 'charge' like a battery

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:08 PM

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trail plinth Yes, because they also show how much air they have when equipped

No reason for it to show in inventory if unintended

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If unintended in inventory should be dead weight unless surface and either show no data or 0 s

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:09 PM

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You would judge whats intended in the game based on how it implements things? That must mean super seaglide is intended as well

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:09 PM

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Super seaglide is a more obvious bug

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You can tell as there is no coding for it

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Or descriptions for it

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:09 PM

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You mean...like swapping air tanks?

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No descriptions of swapping air tanks?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:10 PM

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Yes there is

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:10 PM

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No code specifically for swapping air tanks?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:10 PM

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Theere are air tanks that describe how they affevt your movespeed while in inventory

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:10 PM

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Your equipment slots are also part of your inventory yknow

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:10 PM

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trail plinth No code specifically for swapping air tanks?

If it was unintended air tanks would hold no air in inventory

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Disagree

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But fair

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:10 PM

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Would they magically empty when you put them in? How would you equip them if they ran out of air as they entered your inventory?

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Oversight doesnt mean intended design

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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But they are mehcnaicaly different enough to be diffwrent things

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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trail plinth Would they magically empty when you put them in? How would you equip them if the...

You wouldny

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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I might start a new save soon

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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It would be an unintended mevhanic

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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What has changed in the last 2-3 months

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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Moral

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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I saw there was a whole morale mechanic

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Yea

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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Morale and probably a bunch of new mechanics that are spoilers

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:11 PM

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Its a nixed bag, im not a fab, hellraxr and void are

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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trail plinth Morale and probably a bunch of new mechanics that are spoilers

Depends on what point in the game they are at

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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If there was new mechanics otherwise it wiuld be deep

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A certain big mechanic got fixed

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The one that progression locked...everyone

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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worldly valve A certain big mechanic got fixed

|||lillies?||

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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pine ginkgo |||lillies?||

Yeeeeee

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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Damn nice

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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Was super happy about that

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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pine ginkgo Depends on what point in the game they are at

I more mean spoilers for general things in this channel, and spoilers for returning players that havent played in a while

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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So it actually was broken?

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And we all werent just going nuts

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:12 PM

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I made a mega structure eith around 100 foundations at different levels

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Yeeee

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Reika was specific on how it was broken but

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Well thats nice

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Yeeee

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Is morale it for major things really

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Becsuse it was a big frustration

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Maybe Ill do hard mode this time

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:13 PM

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I remember reika showing ne a screenshot as a hint

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And i started to wonder how my setuo was different

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I came up with windows

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Oh yea I scoured for any screenshots in the channels I could find lmao

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Tho i missed that it used a single planter in her lic

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(Tho it doesnt matter what type younuse )

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:14 PM

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I tried every planter, all biomes, different depths, etc.

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Ended up just doing ||salt in the crusher||

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:14 PM

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pine ginkgo Maybe Ill do hard mode this time

You can. It doesnt affect things too much mostly tbh

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I mean costs are higher i guess but

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Most of the other mechanics like needing more scans is just superfluous

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Since normally just scanning a tech doesnt mean shit😂😂😂

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Yeah she changed how the collider was working

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I cant recall the spefics

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:16 PM

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Well that isnt what stopped me necessarily in my last run, just got caught up with stuff and didn’t have time to play and now I feel mentally disconnected from the save I had

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:16 PM

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Its probably broken too

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:16 PM

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I think I was in the process of ||getting my moth into the LR and using the trucker module to grab sulfur||

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:17 PM

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Also started moral when you are deep in the gane is rough

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:17 PM

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Yea Id rather just start fresh

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:17 PM

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Ive realised oart of why moral was so awful for me was that it was applied to my save mid save

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So none of my bases had any decpration

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I was also frustrated because i throw out useless garbage like posters😂😂😂

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:17 PM

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I mean its a pretty interesting mechanic imo

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:17 PM

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I dislike it

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Is it all interior or does it apply to things like windows and whatnot

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:18 PM

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It mostly constraints of making happy places in your rooms😂

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Could I just make a room with a shit ton of decorations?

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Windows have a limited range of what kind of decor theyll see

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Esch room has its own rating

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Mostly for performance reasons iirc

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Oh

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Tbh the moral mechanic is the most intensive mechanic in the game so fat

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:18 PM

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You can make individual room types, and it doesnt take much to get a positive decor value in non-leisure rooms

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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And it affects crafting speed?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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pine ginkgo And it affects crafting speed?

Or the dial speed

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Below 15 morale or so yeah

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Which the dial speed is worse than cragting speed😂

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Does it effect anything else?

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Swim speed

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Seaglide speed

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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General swim speed

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Like outside of the base? How does that work?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Getting hit can be devastating

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Its easy for a amp eel to kill you if you get hit and they dont de aggro

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Is morale tracked across all bases in the world or smthn

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:20 PM

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Morale is a meter, like hunger/thirst/health

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:20 PM

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Ah does it deplete when you’re away from a base for a while

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:20 PM

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Not really, depends where you are and what youre doing

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:20 PM

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Weird

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:20 PM

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It can be pretty fasr

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My base was on the crux of blood kelp and mush forest and crash zone and kelp forest

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:21 PM

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Certain areas have a negative modifier, there are some permanent negative/positive modifiers that youll pick up, and damage will reduce morale

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:21 PM

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My morale would plummet to below 20 from above 100 within the tine of 1 tank

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:21 PM

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1 air tank?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:21 PM

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Yeah

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I was just sittong outside base

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:21 PM

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So, within like 3 minutes?

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:22 PM

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Correct

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Reika said it couldnt hapoen

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:22 PM

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Ok ok, I thought it was a pretty small mechanic in the realm of bases but it seems like a game changer

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:22 PM

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I wish i had a way to record my stuff sometimes

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I have a theory why it was so fast tho

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I think i was being hit by multippe negative biome bonuses

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:22 PM

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Okay if youre in a negative decor biome in a negative decor base room, then yeah itll probably drop pretty fast

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:22 PM

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Is max morale just base swim/craft or can you go above the normal speed

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:22 PM

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Also my base did have no decoration anywhere

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:22 PM

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pine ginkgo Is max morale just base swim/craft or can you go above the normal speed

Im told there are benefits above 80 but i dont know what they are

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:23 PM

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How odd

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:23 PM

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Honestly not sure, i dont think a speed bonus from morale would be good for balancing, but higher morale will reduce the hunger/thirst rate iirc

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:23 PM

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This is making me want to play, but it sounds almost like more of an annoyance than anything

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:23 PM

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Food and water above 80 gives super fast healing

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:23 PM

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Dont let people complaining about a mechanic they dont like deter you

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:23 PM

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Well not super fast but

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:24 PM

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worldly valve Food and water above 80 gives super fast healing

Thatll be nice actually

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:24 PM

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Its always been like that

warm smelt Oct 15, 2025, 9:24 PM

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pine ginkgo This is making me want to play, but it sounds almost like more of an annoyance t...

I'm trying to play but my subnautics is mean and won't load c2c

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:24 PM

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Its nice

pine ginkgo Oct 15, 2025, 9:24 PM

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Oh it was usually pretty slow for me

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:24 PM

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Its slows if you are below 80 yhe natural regen

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:25 PM

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Morale did go through some changes in the past month or 2 actually, mostly to fix some issues with the modifiers being too strong or not strong enough one way or anothee

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:25 PM

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But if you keeo stabbing fish and keeo it above 80 health is rarely low long

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My save was noteably loaded uo int he middle of all the patches

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I also vould have been affected by a billion bonuses at once

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:25 PM

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Which can probably affect things yeah

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:25 PM

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Its not impossible that all the radio queues triggered somehow retroactively

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Thats a wild idea, but something akin to that drf

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:26 PM

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I dont know how updating midsave would affect all of the permanent triggers

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:26 PM

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No idea

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Mostky spitballing possibilities i cant double check

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But id say they roughest actusly likly nehcanic or morale is basically being instagibbed

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If you get bit by a reaper you arr not getting awat anymore

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:28 PM

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Whar

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I mean youll lose a chunk of morale sure, but the speed penalty wouldnt make or break whether or not you can escape a reaper after the first bite

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:29 PM

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You dont think it would?

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:29 PM

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At least i never had that issue, even at 0 morale

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:29 PM

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I recall seaglide speed go8ng to

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Crazy slow

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:29 PM

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I swam like 200m after being attacked by a reaper numerous times

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On 0 morale

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In the crash zone

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:30 PM

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Seaglide speed on its own can only just dodge a reaper

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Using my techniques at least

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Fair

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Mostly people i talk do avouf reapers at all and dont even have reaper dodge techniques

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:31 PM

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I could be wrong, but last time i played before morale, I was able to circle a reaper while scanning it without being bitten

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:31 PM

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That is pretty impressive

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:31 PM

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I tried to do that again this save but i got bitten near the end

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:31 PM

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Thats a very high skill maneuver

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:31 PM

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It took like 3 passes to finally bite me

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I can check the recording to see how long i lasted

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:31 PM

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I pose you might be more skilled than you belueve this are

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Call it the platinum rank affect

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:32 PM

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I dont know if this memory is entirely accurate though, so im not gonna pose myself as a high skill reaper circler

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:33 PM

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You arr better than you think

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:34 PM

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There are a few moments i really should clip and send here lmao

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I might do that when i get home

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:35 PM

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God i wishni coukd clip mynshit

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I get frustrated too easily

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:35 PM

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Fair fair

worldly valve Oct 15, 2025, 9:35 PM

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And when reika says my report couodnt have happened or something and i try to create the good data she needs

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Then i work myself into a wave

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 9:36 PM

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I dont think ive really been frustrated unless i missed something really obvious, like not seeing a recipe i had unlocked a while ago while frantically searching for how to progress lmao

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Wasn't the latest legacy build Dec 2021?

trail ether Oct 15, 2025, 10:22 PM

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yes

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also speaking of which i cannot get branch manager to work

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https://i.imgur.com/h2Smp1h.png

Imgur

errant cairn Oct 15, 2025, 11:10 PM

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trail ether also speaking of which i cannot get branch manager to work

Just say "fuck you" to steam. There is a way to do it manually

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Maybe not "fuck you," rather, "git gud"

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I will admit the manual way is annoying as hell when constantly swapping between builds

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Lemme go see smth rq

split scroll Oct 15, 2025, 11:19 PM

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trail ether https://i.imgur.com/h2Smp1h.png

looks like windows itself is denying it btw.

when i had that issue I sometimes just moved the damn branch manager into the common folder to make it work because windows does not like things in downloads folder or such places from being able to move files that are in program files

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wait...

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thats not in program files

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one moment

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hrmmm very odd... but yea thats windows some how telling the program that it doesn't have permission to move the folder

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 11:29 PM

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Man, this mod made me love the lost river all over again.

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Those acloves in the roof of the cave ||where all the calcite is||, I never even knew those were there.

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 11:30 PM

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Yes, absolutely. The thing i love most about the mod is getting to see all these neat and interesting little locations that you normally wouldnt see in a standard vanilla playthrough without making an effort to explore every part of the map

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 11:35 PM

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I'm nearing the point where I'm going to need to go to the void spikes sadsponch

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That is after I craft the acoustic supression module in 7 years from now.

trail plinth Oct 15, 2025, 11:37 PM

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faint summit I'm nearing the point where I'm going to need to go to the void spikes <:sadspon...

Yeah i gotta go back too, ||this time i gotta go deeper than 500m...||

faint summit Oct 15, 2025, 11:52 PM

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I just had a small heart attack, my save crashed during load 3 times in a row.

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Do you need a drill for ||brine coral||?

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Im not sure ive ever been happy with any brine coral methods ive come up with

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Its one of those hardcore ending resources lololol

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I "think" its one of the things that a certain upgraded item is good for

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 12:03 AM

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faint summit I just had a small heart attack, my save crashed during load 3 times in a row.

Are you...in a base neer da trench with the big thing

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The non biological big thibg

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 12:07 AM

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No, it was a base in the bone fields of the lost river.

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Near the garg skull.

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 12:11 AM

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split scroll hrmmm very odd... but yea thats windows some how telling the program that it doe...

Would launching with admin perms fix it?

split scroll Oct 16, 2025, 12:12 AM

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It should prompt for that already as it is required to be allowed to move folders.... have you just been saying no when it asks?

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 12:13 AM

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(Not me so idk)

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 12:18 AM

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faint summit No, it was a base in the bone fields of the lost river.

Lemme know if you get cascading lag

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:23 AM

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what are people's thoughts on these curves? https://i.imgur.com/u7dMh3D.png

Imgur

karmic drum Oct 16, 2025, 1:26 AM

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I can't read

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:30 AM

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I've spent a good few minutes looking at it and I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at. I get that this is a table for calculating ampeel power generation in an acu, but what are voltfish?

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:30 AM

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faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:31 AM

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I'm guessing Voltiac Bladderfish are a new thing.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:31 AM

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faint summit I've spent a good few minutes looking at it and I'm not quite sure what I'm look...

https://i.imgur.com/JDttAD5.png https://i.imgur.com/ardkzik.png

Imgur

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:31 AM

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bruceblush

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The graph is uniform, so I'd say that's a good thing.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:32 AM

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I deliberately wanted local maxima

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so that you have to do some testing or math to get the optimal value

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rather than just spamming it

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and implemented

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relatedly I added a new line to the ACU terminal

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https://i.imgur.com/RsQtv64.jpeg

Imgur

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also I added this for you too https://i.imgur.com/lEbop2H.jpeg

Imgur

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:37 AM

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Unless I'm reading this wrong, what's the point of expanding the acu if you can reach maximum pps with two ampeels?

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:37 AM

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atleast i think it was you

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:38 AM

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Oh yeah, we have room specifics now.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:38 AM

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at small size ACU you get very limited PPS

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not until a size 3 can you get the full 15 theoretical limit

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:38 AM

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Oh you need ACU size 3 to max out, my bad

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:39 AM

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and bigger ACUs need fewer ampeels per PPS

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since influence of the voltaic fish is exponential

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:39 AM

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Because more voltfish.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:39 AM

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        public static float computeACUValue(WaterPark acu) {
            float ampeels = 0;
            float exponent = 1;
            foreach (WaterParkItem wp in acu.items) {
                if (wp is WaterParkCreature wpc) {
                    Shocker s = wpc.GetComponent<Shocker>();
                    AmpeelAntennaCreature aac = wpc.GetComponent<AmpeelAntennaCreature>();
                    if (s && s.liveMixin.IsAlive()) {
                        ampeels += s.liveMixin.GetHealthFraction();
                    }
                    else if (aac != null && aac.live && aac.live.IsAlive()) {
                        float f = aac.live.GetHealthFraction();
                        ampeels += aac.ampeelValue * f;
                        exponent += aac.powerExponentAddition * f;
                    }
                }
            }
            return Mathf.Min(AMPEEL_CAP, Mathf.Pow(ampeels, exponent)) * ACU_COEFFICIENT * POWER_GEN;
        }```

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AmpeelAntennaCreature being an interface component I added which the voltaic fish's unique component implements

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:40 AM

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The only thing about the ampeel antenna is that it kind of goes through the ceiling of the acu and I can't disassemble it sometimes.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:41 AM

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you can put it on the floor too

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I usually do

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:41 AM

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Ooooh, alright.

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I tried placing it a few times there but I guess the ampeels were in the way.

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 1:56 AM

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Also ampeels bite you if you get in their way, even if you raise them in captivity, so rude.

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I left a juvinile ampeel in front of a precursor vent so I bred some crabsquid to get rid of it. Surely this will not end badly.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 2:02 AM

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also @trail plinth found an old bug https://i.imgur.com/2qrdrl1.png

Imgur

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component is the power generator, ie the "caller"

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who can spot the issue

karmic drum Oct 16, 2025, 2:02 AM

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trail ether https://i.imgur.com/JDttAD5.png https://i.imgur.com/ardkzik.png

Would that make Gatorade instead of water? 😂

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 2:03 AM

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it makes pain if you try using it for that

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it is basically a living electrolytic capacitor

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hence why it is bladderfish-based

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well that and one other reason

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Is that code from the precursor power tap?

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 2:06 AM

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no, though mentioning thta has caused me to find an impl issue in it as well

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ok trying a fix

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:25 AM

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trail ether also <@97102976497246208> found an old bug https://i.imgur.com/2qrdrl1.png

Something to do with subs.. is the double "AddEnergy" call?

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:25 AM

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errant cairn Something to do with subs.. is the double "AddEnergy" call?

And power interfaces

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 2:25 AM

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errant cairn Something to do with subs.. is the double "AddEnergy" call?

no

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and there is no double call anyway

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...do you not know what a ternary is

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aha

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that worked

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i fixed it https://i.imgur.com/qzHUfrn.jpeg

Imgur

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i had to basically build a network, incrementally

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kind of like how I do a lot of stuff in ChromatiCraft actually

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:26 AM

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trail ether ...do you not know what a ternary is

No

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 2:26 AM

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        public static bool addPowerToSeabaseDelegate(IPowerInterface pi, float amount, out float stored, MonoBehaviour component) {
            PowerSourceBaseReference pref = component.GetComponent<PowerSourceBaseReference>();
            SubRoot sub = pref ? pref.sub : null;
            SNUtil.writeToChat(component+" adding " + amount.ToString("0.0000")+" energy to "+(sub ? sub.name+" ("+sub.powerRelay.internalPowerSource + "/"+sub.powerRelay.inboundPowerSources.toDebugString()+")" : "self"));
            return sub ? sub.powerRelay.AddEnergy(amount, out stored) : pi.AddEnergy(amount, out stored);
        }

        public static void linkPowerRelayToBase(PowerRelay pr, IPowerInterface ipf) {
            if (ipf is MonoBehaviour mb) {
                PowerSourceBaseReference pbr = mb.gameObject.EnsureComponent<PowerSourceBaseReference>();
                pbr.target = pr;
                if (pr is BasePowerRelay bpr)
                    pbr.sub = bpr.subRoot;
            }
        }


        internal class PowerSourceBaseReference : MonoBehaviour {

            internal SubRoot sub;
            internal PowerRelay target;

            void Update() {
                if (!sub && target) {
                    PowerSourceBaseReference pref = target.GetComponent<PowerSourceBaseReference>();
                    if (pref)
                        sub = pref.sub;
                }
            }

        }```

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with linkPowerRelayToBase patched into PowerRelay::AddInboundPower

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:27 AM

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KEKW

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 2:27 AM

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PowerRelay being the "power handler", held by bases and transmitters, and "inbound sources" being something a power relay has

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crucially a thermal plant or the like does not necessarily have to connect to the base

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Idk what that means (I haven't touched the base system, PowerRelay is the extent of my power related knowledge)

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 2:28 AM

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so to have it store a reference to its final target, that target needs to store a reference to its target, and so on

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until the final one stores a reference to the base

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which then back-propagates

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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Interesting

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 2:29 AM

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when you cannot be sure of update order, and cannot build the link directly, this is what you have to do

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 2:30 AM

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Are the crabsquids from the ACU attacking your craft a c2c thing or is that a legacy thing?

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:31 AM

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faint summit Are the crabsquids from the ACU attacking your craft a c2c thing or is that a le...

Happens in 2.0 iirc, so not a C2C thing

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 2:31 AM

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And I'm not talking about the emp blast

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They certainly do not in 2.0

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They will emp blast you if you shine lights on them though.

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:32 AM

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faint summit They certainly do not in 2.0

I remember a game version where I got emp blasted, I also think Nitrox did it even if the lights were off

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Pre 1.8

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 2:33 AM

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I'm talking about them making aggro sounds and then biting the seamoth.

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I know about them emp blasting you.

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:33 AM

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faint summit I'm talking about them making aggro sounds and then biting the seamoth.

Yea that happens in Nitrox 1.7.10

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 2:33 AM

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Is Nitrox what the latest legacy build is called, I've never heard that term before.

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:34 AM

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faint summit Is Nitrox what the latest legacy build is called, I've never heard that term bef...

Multiplayer mod. And was legacy is now 2.0 since Nitrox 1.8 dropped (shocked u haven't heard this)

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 2:34 AM

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Well I've never used it so I wouldn't have.

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I knew a multiplayer mod existed.

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 2:35 AM

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Ngl I would LOVE C2C multiplayer

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I know both Reika and Nitrox have no intentions of it

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But like

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I'm just imagining my friends going crazy with the damn base alone

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I'd have to teach all the systems

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But I could see them straight up playing it solo

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 2:51 AM

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Reika what's with the patch.

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 3:01 AM

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trail ether who can spot the issue

I cant, and apparently i found the bug

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 3:28 AM

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I updated but now SeatoSea cannot load.

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It's the only mod that failed to load.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:13 AM

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faint summit Reika what's with the patch.

?

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:14 AM

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faint summit I updated but now SeatoSea cannot load.

what does the log say

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it boots fine for me

fiery fiber Oct 16, 2025, 4:20 AM

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Sorry to ask but can someone show me the convo link on how to get back to legacy please? Finally pissed of enough to try ands figger this out

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 4:21 AM

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@trail ether

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Oh god, I don't have excansion

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Nvm

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sadsponch

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:30 AM

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added a thing

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 4:31 AM

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Nobody look at this foolishness, look away in fact.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:31 AM

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@unreal flame you suggested this

#

            addItemMorale(CraftingItems.getItem(CraftingItems.Items.CrystalLens), 50);
            addItemMorale(CraftingItems.getItem(CraftingItems.Items.Nanocarbon), 20);
            addItemMorale(CraftingItems.getItem(CraftingItems.Items.DenseAzurite), 10);
            addItemMorale(CraftingItems.getItem(CraftingItems.Items.Motor), 2);
            addItemMorale(CraftingItems.getItem(CraftingItems.Items.BioEnzymes), 5);
            addItemMorale(CraftingItems.getItem(CraftingItems.Items.LathingDrone), 25);
            addItemMorale(CustomMaterials.getItem(CustomMaterials.Materials.PLATINUM), 10);
            addItemMorale(CustomMaterials.getItem(CustomMaterials.Materials.IRIDIUM), 20);
            addItemMorale(CustomMaterials.getItem(CustomMaterials.Materials.PRESSURE_CRYSTALS), 10);
            addItemMorale(CustomMaterials.getItem(CustomMaterials.Materials.VENT_CRYSTAL), 5);
            addItemMorale(CustomMaterials.getItem(CustomMaterials.Materials.PHASE_CRYSTAL), 50);
            addItemMorale(CustomMaterials.getItem(CustomMaterials.Materials.IRIDIUM), 20);
            addItemMorale(C2CItems.bandage, 10);
            addItemMorale(C2CItems.breathingFluid, 20);
            addItemMorale(C2CItems.rebreatherV2, 20);
            addItemMorale(C2CItems.t2Battery, 10);

            addItemMorale(TechType.VehicleHullModule1, 5);
            addItemMorale(TechType.VehicleHullModule2, 10);
            addItemMorale(TechType.VehicleHullModule3, 20);
            addItemMorale(C2CItems.depth1300, 30);

            addItemMorale(TechType.Silver, 10);
            addItemMorale(TechType.Gold, 10);
            addItemMorale(TechType.Nickel, 10);
            addItemMorale(TechType.Kyanite, 25);
            addItemMorale(TechType.Magnetite, 5);

            addItemMorale(TechType.PrecursorIonCrystal, 10);
            addItemMorale(TechType.PrecursorKey_Purple, 10);
            addItemMorale(TechType.PrecursorKey_Orange, 20);
            addItemMorale(TechType.PrecursorKey_Blue, 30);
            addItemMorale(TechType.PrecursorKey_Red, 40);
            addItemMorale(TechType.PrecursorKey_White, 50);

            addItemMorale(TechType.HighCapacityTank, 25);
            addItemMorale(TechType.LaserCutter, 25);
            addItemMorale(TechType.Rebreather, 10);
            addItemMorale(TechType.Seaglide, 15);
            addItemMorale(TechType.Fins, 5);

            addItemMorale(TechType.BaseRoom, 40);
            addItemMorale(TechType.BaseMoonpool, 25);
            addItemMorale(TechType.BaseFiltrationMachine, 20);
            addItemMorale(TechType.BaseMapRoom, 10);
            addItemMorale(TechType.BaseNuclearReactor, 30);
            addItemMorale(TechType.Workbench, 25);
            addItemMorale(C2CItems.processor, 50);

            addItemMorale(TechType.HatchingEnzymes, 50);```

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 4:31 AM

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Oh shit

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:31 AM

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this is for first pickup (which includes from craft) or build, depending on what the item is

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these are all single impulses

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 4:32 AM

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Single impulse meaning first time contructing them is effected?

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:33 AM

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no

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meaning as opposed to continuous upward pressure on morale

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either as a flat per time or as a baseline shift

unreal flame Oct 16, 2025, 4:35 AM

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neat

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 4:37 AM

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Ok well that will help offset the process of building bases in dangerous locations.

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So fighting the gremlins in the sea treader's path for the shinies will give morale now, that's a relief.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:49 AM

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not repeatedly

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 5:36 AM

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trail ether ```cs addItemMorale(CraftingItems.getItem(CraftingItems.Items.Crysta...

why is iridium listed twice

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 5:36 AM

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A good question.

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 5:38 AM

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I'm assuming it's 2 baseline shifts, ie positive 'baseline morale' is shifted positively twice (once for the first pickup, once for the second), I'm not understanding somehting, or it's an accidental duplicate

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 6:21 AM

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typo

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 9:01 AM

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oh good god I think I need to do lifepod 10 soon

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maybe

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||Im kind of confused how you are meant to get blood crawler larva considering its below 500m I think?||

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 9:12 AM

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pearl pier ||Im kind of confused how you are meant to get blood crawler larva considering i...

||ESPECIALLY WITH THE MORALE LOSS||

barren oar Oct 16, 2025, 9:17 AM

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|| simply be brave lol ||

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||yeah you could barely scrape by even before, i have no idea how you're to get them now||

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||does a flare distract them? can you perhaps use the repulsion cannon to grab the items remotely?||

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...propulsion. whatever same thing

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 9:19 AM

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||I understand the biome passive morale loss kinda but it makes some biomes just, so much worse to explore and not in a "oh you should come back later" way but in a "discourages you from exploring" way||

barren oar Oct 16, 2025, 9:19 AM

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maybe the age old trick of building a base works lol

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 9:20 AM

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pearl pier ||I understand the biome passive morale loss kinda but it makes some biomes just...

||crash zone is especially annoying with this but I can assume that every biome as you get lower is also going to have passive morale decay||

barren oar Oct 16, 2025, 9:20 AM

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Good Luck Have Fun

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This Is Completely Referring To An Experience In Particular

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One Which You May Find Later

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 9:21 AM

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pearl pier ||ESPECIALLY WITH THE MORALE LOSS||

||Like the way that morale loss works with frequent damage ticks is kind of really fucking annoying as well||

barren oar Oct 16, 2025, 9:21 AM

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which just so happened to also be ass before the changes™

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hopefully its been changed since? but ive been mostly keeping up with source code changes and havent noticed anything of the sort

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 11:45 AM

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oh my god I hate exploring areas with passive morale drain

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it is one of the least fun things ever

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:20 PM

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barren oar ||yeah you could barely scrape by even before, i have no idea how you're to get ...

i watched hellexar do it, and he was recording

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:20 PM

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pearl pier ||crash zone is especially annoying with this but I can assume that every biome ...

why

barren oar Oct 16, 2025, 1:21 PM

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trail ether i watched hellexar do it, and he was recording

i should take a look at that then

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last time i tried, i'd almost died lol

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way before being slowed down because gray plant scary or something (morale) existed

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:22 PM

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it has not been published yet

barren oar Oct 16, 2025, 1:22 PM

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...morale? i assume you were talking about something else before i clarified in my edit, though

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 1:27 PM

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trail ether why

well I would assume getting deeper is more scary especially with a bunch of lava around you

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 1:36 PM

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barren oar ...morale? i assume you were talking about something else before i clarified in ...

the video has not been published yet

barren oar Oct 16, 2025, 1:36 PM

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ahh

errant cairn Oct 16, 2025, 1:52 PM

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pearl pier well I would assume getting deeper is more scary especially with a bunch of lava...

Isn't it magma not lava?

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 3:08 PM

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no

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magma is when it is still underground

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also fun fact about magma

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C2C had a scrapped new biome

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a half-filled magma chamber, under the dunes

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think a giant underground open space, with large rough rock pillars supporting the ceiling, and the bottom half a sea of lava

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this is the reason it got scrapped https://i.imgur.com/vmVPuBl.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/LF5SM4S.jpeg

Imgur

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some sortof batch/voxel optimization resulting in a lot of my patches not being used

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and thus a cubey mess of randomly cleared and "native" terrain

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 4:35 PM

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What even would have been put here?

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I know there used to be a passage to the ILZ long before my time in the dunes.

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Not sure if this would have been in the same spot.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:42 PM

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faint summit What even would have been put here?

it was the originally planned location of obsidian

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:42 PM

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faint summit Not sure if this would have been in the same spot.

no that was under the aurora

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and this was not going to lead anywhere except to itself

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a new biome around 550-700m deep

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also I just pushed a BIG update

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not so much in terms of amount of changes, but in implications

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including the most cursed mixing of contexts I have ever done in SN XD

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 4:46 PM

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@trail ether This from the wiki and other sources

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:55 PM

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i see

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I only heard of the aurora one

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but this predates my knowing about SN by half a decade

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more actually

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I think I first heard of SN in 2017

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 4:56 PM

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Yeah, it's really early stuff, as in pre ghost leviathan stuff.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:56 PM

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but people kept going on about how it was a horror game full of jump scares

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so I actively refused to look at it

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i was incredibly anxious and unenthusiastic while loading the game for the first time in feb 2022

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 4:57 PM

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Well there certainly can be full of jumpscares (no thanks to you for making us swim through the crash zone 🙁 )

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 4:57 PM

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only shortly thereafter did I realize everyone was just parroting youtuber meme bullshit

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this is a big part of why I am so hostile both to "game streamers" as a general concept and to SN "reacters" in particular

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the other big part being that they invariably never pay any real attention to the game because they are constantly focused on chat and screaming "OMG THANK YOU FOR THE BITSSSSS"

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whatever the fuck "bits" are

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 5:03 PM

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Currency essentially, I don't fully understand it but apparently it's a good way to give the streamer money directly as third parties get the least of it.

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 5:27 PM

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trail ether but people kept going on about how it was a horror game full of jump scares

Its really funny bevause when I played subnautica I had one reaper encounter and one ghost encounter

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And that was it

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Sea2Sea on the other hand

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Anyway, Reika you have no idea how scared I was when I played chromaticradt and went to the end and saw the fucking dark bramble lights

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 5:29 PM

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pearl pier Sea2Sea on the other hand

Wow. Actually making you engage with the dangerous areas means you deal with dangerous things more

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 5:32 PM

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pearl pier Its really funny bevause when I played subnautica I had one reaper encounter and...

I had a few of each but only one even came close to being a jumpscare, and was because I was not paying attention

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I went off the map edge by the sea treader path, and was continuing to move while not looking where I was going

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https://i.imgur.com/fGYQom9.png

Imgur

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such that i turned around and was met with thishttps://i.imgur.com/jALlVWA.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zKzInxl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VGpSlZW.jpg

Imgur

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you can even see me not looking in the direction of motion in that second image

pearl pier Oct 16, 2025, 5:34 PM

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trail ether I had a few of each but only one even came close to being a jumpscare, and was b...

Yeah they werent jumpscares, one was just me having to ditch a seamoth and the other was a ghost leviathan gently pushing my cyclops and dealing no damage because subnautica is jank

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 5:35 PM

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I wish you could pacify ghost leviathans in some really difficult way, they're not even predators technically, they're just really territorial filter feeders.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 5:38 PM

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I have had the same thought

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but that would require them have a significant level of intelligence

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which...speaking of...is a thing i had in mind for another context...

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 5:53 PM

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So odd but I'm downloading the mods again from github and they don't have config files.

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Yeah can anyone else confirm if the downloads are weird rn, still no config files with them.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 6:02 PM

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I am not sure they ship with configs

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they are probably autogenerated with defaults

unreal flame Oct 16, 2025, 6:24 PM

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trail ether whatever the fuck "bits" are

twitch microcurrency

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basically equivalent to a cent

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 6:48 PM

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karmic drum Oct 16, 2025, 6:49 PM

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People who call subnautica a horror game. Or even a scary game.

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Annoy the piss out of me. Because it tells me that they didn't once stop to pay attention to how the game actually works.

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The only person scaring them is themselves.

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 6:52 PM

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warm smelt

Can i have some help i think the other mods are loading but i cant tell as i aint getting any configs

karmic drum Oct 16, 2025, 6:54 PM

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warm smelt Can i have some help i think the other mods are loading but i cant tell as i ain...

Dude the best thing you can do is post your issue and then wait for someone to get back to you.

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 6:54 PM

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karmic drum Dude the best thing you can do is post your issue and then wait for someone to g...

Ok i am

karmic drum Oct 16, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Bumping your own request a whole 4 minutes later is just going to turn people away from you.

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Just stating that im asking for help

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As i forwared it from help support people may of been confused so i was adding context

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 7:54 PM

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karmic drum People who call subnautica a horror game. Or even a scary game.

I would argue subnautica does horror bettwe than most horror games, tho its fullly unitentional

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 7:55 PM

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You can get annoyed at people for being sensational but being angry at people who are scared of subnautica is just nonsense.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:02 PM

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faint summit You can get annoyed at people for being sensational but being angry at people wh...

I do not buythat any of the big-name streamers were ever genuinely finding it scary

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they were just overreacting for clicks and shares, as youtubers and streamers do

karmic drum Oct 16, 2025, 8:03 PM

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trail ether they were just overreacting for clicks and shares, as youtubers and streamers do

Yup. Content farming.

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:13 PM

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Subnautica does have a decent amount of psychological horror elements, mostly abandonment, being alone without rescue, unknown planet with unknown threats, etc. Even the known threats could be scary, ie being afraid of reapers/ghost leviathans. I dunno if that would classify subnautica as a horror game though

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:15 PM

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Only paying attention to streamers and youtubers for their fake fear is antithetical to what you're saying though. There are people that are scared by subnautica, you only paying attention to streamers and youtubers is literally giving them the attention you hate that they get for faking reactions. I never mentioned them specifically, my point was that ignoring that genuine fear for the game exists because of your negative feelings towards streamers is just not right.

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 8:18 PM

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wtf c2c works if i remove fcs mods?

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second fcs alterrahub is installed c2c no longer loads

unreal flame Oct 16, 2025, 8:20 PM

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That’s weird

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 8:20 PM

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ive re downloaded fcs mods again

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:25 PM

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Hey, there's some pretty phytoplankton in the crater edge.

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He he shiny

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Sure am glad it's peaceful rn because of the acoustic module.

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: )

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Can anyone help or are fcs mods rn just high

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:29 PM

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I'm loading them just fine so idk man.

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 8:29 PM

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werid

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fcs website are taking a dirt nap right now so i could just being dum

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:30 PM

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Make sure you have the latest versions of FCS, there should be a mega link from somone on the discord, make sure you download from the folder called "latest" and nothing else.

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 8:31 PM

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ok ty

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:38 PM

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I'm stressing that point because there are multiple versions on the mega link, the ones in "latest" are the ones you want, the others are literally incomplete and outdated.

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:39 PM

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faint summit Sure am glad it's peaceful rn because of the acoustic module.

Its peaceful for a bit...they all come out after a bit no mattwr what

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Especially around thr plankton

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Oh, so it's innevitable that they find you.

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Well not entirely true either

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They still cant hear you

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:40 PM

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So you can avoid them if you don't stay in the same place.

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:40 PM

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So if you are good at doing sircles n loops they may not see you

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As well as creature decoys

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Ah, I'll bring both of those.

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:41 PM

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faint summit So you can avoid them if you don't stay in the same place.

Ans they dont lock eyes on ya

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:41 PM

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The increased creature aggression makes that a little harder sadsponch

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:41 PM

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Ooo return of dobra dnn on sale

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:42 PM

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I've also noticed that if you enter the void without the accoustic module, the ghosts spawn almost instantly.

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:42 PM

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Oh

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:42 PM

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faint summit Oh, so it's innevitable that they find you.

no?

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:42 PM

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Lol

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:42 PM

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No, so if you enable the module and stand still they won't spawn?

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:43 PM

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I got slapped by a very light censorshio bot lol

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They have the wooden hatred

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:43 PM

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faint summit No, so if you enable the module and stand still they won't spawn?

those two things are entirely unrelated

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:43 PM

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faint summit : )

Oh god i feel the pain in that smile

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:43 PM

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faint summit No, so if you enable the module and stand still they won't spawn?

Ive had them spawn when staying still or moving to the far place

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:43 PM

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however I will relink this

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:44 PM

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I'm about to make my first voyage into the void spikes so I'd like to know as much as possible before I go.

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Im not sure what triggerrs them spawning

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But them spawning doesnt mean they notice you

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But they will spawn

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:44 PM

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I will also repeat this

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that may have been said in response to a different mechanic but it applies to all mechanics

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because people do this constantly

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:45 PM

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Read the description of the module, and then compare that to whats happening when the module 'doesnt work'

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:45 PM

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All we can do it write down the observations

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:45 PM

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ie draw incorrect conclusions based on poor evidence and then confidently repeat them, often vaguely or inaccurately even for their own conclusions, which then others pick up and repeat in a similarly broken manner

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:46 PM

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trail plinth Read the description of the module, and then compare that to whats happening whe...

Eyesight and plankton are the only things ive noticed

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:46 PM

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I never said the module didn't work, it works fine, but I just don't know how it works exactly. Admiteddly I knew I wouldn't get a direct answer because it's against the nature of the discord, but I thought someone may let something slip.

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:46 PM

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When going to spikes i avoid blooms

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I also do circles in case of vision

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I still sometimes bet bit

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I usualy am too lazy to make the torpedo launcher

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:47 PM

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I mean the description of how the module works is on the module itself

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:47 PM

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I mean more technical information 🙂

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:47 PM

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trail plinth I mean the description of how the module works is on the module itself

which people either do not read or read and largely ignore because they assume it to be just "lore fluff"

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Also not sure if a torpedo will deter 1-3 aggressive creatures the size of a train

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:47 PM

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They help

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Originally i well it doesnt work but

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I got to the void spike teleport

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With seaglide and decoys

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And circles

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:48 PM

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faint summit I mean more technical information 🙂

that is not how you should be playing C2C

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:48 PM

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But that was also only when 1 spawned at a time so i had more spacing n stuff

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:48 PM

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you should not be tuning your gameplay to how you know things are implemented

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:48 PM

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It hasn't been, because I don't have a choice to play otherwise.

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There is little information and you can only succeed by experimenting.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:49 PM

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that is not very true either, but the information is often not "in your face"

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:49 PM

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Wouldn't have got this far if I hadn't grasped that by now.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:49 PM

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however this is one of the more direct examples

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:49 PM

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trail plinth I mean the description of how the module works is on the module itself

since

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sure there is still some connecting of dots to do

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but hardly anything obscure

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:49 PM

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If you get to void spikes with just the seaglide

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You get treated to a super cinematic moment

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But good luck

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Its much harder than it used to be

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All the ghost leviathans will just be about to eat you

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And then they all poof

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:50 PM

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You could always test out your theories without going all the way out

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:50 PM

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The nature of the mod means that people are likely to draw incorrect conclusions now and again. This is natural in the process of discovery.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:51 PM

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faint summit The nature of the mod means that people are likely to draw incorrect conclusions...

this is true

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however

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what they should not do is then confidently tell everyone they can reach about their conclusions

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:51 PM

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Agreed lmao

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:51 PM

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both because of the misinformation angle and the spoiling of puzzles/surprises angle

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yet they do this

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almost incessantly

warm smelt Oct 16, 2025, 8:51 PM

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Yay my subnautica finnaly works its only like a power point but idc

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:52 PM

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and seemingly people fail to realize just how suspect this information is

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because I have to keep repeating "do not just trust what others are saying about X or Y or Z"

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:52 PM

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I dont think anything ive said today sounded very confident

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:52 PM

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Maybe not, but some people will still use that as a reference point

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:53 PM

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I said methods ive experiemented with

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:53 PM

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Which is why whenever im giving my thoughts on something, I try to make it extremely clear that im speculating and uncertain

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:53 PM

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I had to ||repair the data box|| at lifepod 15 without decoys, I forgot them at home. sadsponch

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:54 PM

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I do not think decoys would help there

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:54 PM

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I'm going to go release the tears in another room.

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:54 PM

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You guys were using decoys?

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:54 PM

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You shouldnt really need decoys for that one

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:54 PM

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the ||Redacted|| do not use normal targeting logic

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decoys would not affect them

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:54 PM

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Oh, I was wondering that.

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:54 PM

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Ah

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Is it from.your changes or ghost ones in general

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:55 PM

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I think its vanilla

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:55 PM

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Well, they had a hard time getting me when I hid behind the box so it turned out okay.

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:55 PM

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Interesting

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I wonder why my orignal method worked way back when

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Probably just got outside of vision range in my dropping

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Also you only have 1 to deal witj for awhile

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:56 PM

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trail plinth I think its vanilla

what is

trail plinth Oct 16, 2025, 8:56 PM

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I dont think they necessarily have a vision range based on how theyre implemented in vanilla

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:56 PM

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oh

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that is correct

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they always always target the player

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period

worldly valve Oct 16, 2025, 8:56 PM

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Hum

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Then i encountered bugfy behavior

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Which isnt unsurprising given subnautica

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:57 PM

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trail ether they always always target the player

they basically exist in two states, which i will call inactive and active

faint summit Oct 16, 2025, 8:57 PM

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I will say that my incorrect assumption about how the accoustic module works stems from the wiki entry having some blatantly false information.

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:57 PM

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when inactive they will not spawn, and if already spawned will immediately break off pursuit and turn around and swim directly away from you, regardless of anything

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when active they will spawn if not already, and will always pursue you

trail ether Oct 16, 2025, 8:58 PM

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faint summit I will say that my incorrect assumption about how the accoustic module works ste...

you should not be using the wiki either

#SeaToSea