SeaToSea

[rotund anchor]

And what do the room rates affect ?

[pearl pier]

15 deco

[rotund anchor]

Is there any specific item that boosts it by a lot ? I have almost no room to put anything there.

[worldly valve]

What do you have?

Could you post a screenshot?

[rotund anchor]

Bed, aquarium, plants, picture frame, table, bench, plant wall, some lab deco and a chair.

[pearl pier]

item displays with diamonds or ion cubes if you have them

[rotund anchor]

went from 9.54 to 10.36

[trail ether]

do not spam like your screenshot

[pearl pier]

yeah dont do that

[river finch]

This mod is being updated to 2.0 eventually correct?

[worldly valve]

You ask that as if someone has led you to believe that

Hypothetically yes, but also who knows when or how soon or anything like that

[pearl pier]

uhhh the QEP is not loading properly

is my save fucked

ive tried saving and reloading

being outside of it around there makes it look like the water disappears

actually thats just, a thing now apparently

I think this is the elevator?

ok well I managed to navigate to the moon pool

[pearl pier]

welp I checked on a seperate save

yep its just my save

so warping through the moonpools forcefield seems to avoid the visual glitches

[trail ether]

@trail plinth remember i had you walk up along the outside to test something? this was it

[trail ether]

something must have deleted it, but this bodes extremely poorly for the integrity of your save

and is not something I have ever seen before

[pearl pier]

Well shit

48 hours in :(

[trail ether]

I probably6 do not need to tell you that the QEP being gone makes it impossible to complete the game

though...an idea

are the GameObjects deleted or just inactive

if the latter you can revert that

[pearl pier]

So the qep isn't gone

Just rhe elevator

I was able to get in and use it properly without fucking up the water visuals by using warp forward to get through the moon pool barrier

And then the rest of the QEP was fine

[pearl pier]

Im not sure, how do i check that?

[trail ether]

look for them in the runtime editor

but I do not know offhand what the GOs are and i cannot check right now

[pearl pier]

well these are all the things related to the elevator that seem to load if im interpreting this correctly

[trail ether]

by defintion anything deleted will not be there

and I do not know what should be there

[pearl pier]

fair

ill compare to my creative save

yeah ok they are just straight up deleted on my main save

[worldly valve]

I swear i left my mobile vehicle bay floatin above my base

But i cannot find🥲

Why couldnt i had just lost my seamoth😂

This is way mor expensibe

I had plans for nanolathing drones alreadt

I dont think th3 semi local leviathans can break it

Mayne i packed it up...

Dear lord

[karmic drum]

This is why I only ever whip out the vehicle bay when I also have the resource to craft whatever vehicle I'm after

Deploy
Craft
Collect

Nothing ever gets lost

[boreal hedge]

Qhy are the linksto download the updated say not found

Unable to download latest mods of dragon industries, ecocean , aqueous engineering

[barren oar]

oh heck ur right

latest release just doesnt seem to contain them lol

@trail ether hi

[errant cairn]

I got them through Reika's site. So idk

[errant cairn]

Are you using Reika's site?

[karmic drum]

It's really best to just use her site

[barren oar]

yeah

her site links to that

and since the mods have no release...

[trail ether]

??

[barren oar]

do you not see the message right above

[trail ether]

oh

that does not make any sense

oh

it is still uploading

from yesterday

https://i.imgur.com/fcNG2HL.png

it must have just...lost connection and never got it back

I cannot fix this without making more actual changes

[barren oar]

lol bro just forgor

[trail ether]

which i cannot do for many hours

[barren oar]

can you not edit the release manually in the meantime?

[trail ether]

there is nothing to edit it with

[barren oar]

...are the zipped up releases not stored locally before trying to ship them off

[trail ether]

no

[barren oar]

unfortunate

[trail ether]

hold on

i have an intermediate build

however i have no idea what is and is not in this

so i recommend waiting if at all possible

they may not even boot together with the stuff that DID upload

[boreal hedge]

Alright
Just update once the files are uploaded

Too eager to play in the holidays

[errant cairn]

@trail ether Why particularly exclude certain mods from C2C? Why not all mods and add the few you (and possibly others) want to keep?

It'd make porting to 2.0 easier

Plus the mod packs we have are small

[forest valve]

because it would make the c2c mod too easy

or easier than intended

the mod has a path, and it is not hard at all to follow

its basically a non invasive anticheat

[errant cairn]

Did you not read my next question?

And single out the question which was not the point of me asking?

[forest valve]

nope!

[barren oar]

actually ye a whitelist would make stability on 2.0 a bit better

well. not stability

but 2.0 gets new mods while legacy barely, if at all

[karmic drum]

Here's a better question. And one for you? Beyond some socially normative definition of respect or hallowed "responsibility" to keep others happy. Why should she go out of her way to make c2c compatible with other mods?

[barren oar]

what

who said anything ?? about compatibility ???

you know c2c has a blacklist of mods you cant use it with, yes

they're asking reika why it's not a whitelist instead

[karmic drum]

Either one implies not wanting certain mods to work. And with a mod like c2c. Pretty much anything else used with it would need some level of compatibility

But for a more practical answer

People can't read

And there's no reason she should have to repeatedly explain or justify the list because of that

[barren oar]

not necessarily?

[barren oar]

why would she have to explain anything

[barren oar]

for example fcs, despite being the behemoth of a suite it is, only has compat because she wanted to fundamentally modify how it functions

w.r.t. drills or blueprints

afaik it could very well be used just fine without all those patches

at least, i havent seen a patch that was truly required

i think a whitelist would be a more reliable solution long-term

hell a minute into exploring latest on nexus led me to https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/2631 which i assume to be a 2.0 mod (due to the lack of qmod-specific files in its downloads), which was just uploaded 3 days ago
(i think it's fairly obvious why this would prove as a cheat for c2c)

a blacklist would require reika to add it and release an update, a whitelist would require reika to... not do anything

[worldly valve]

Never once lost it

[barren oar]

the fuck are you talking abt

[errant cairn]

Nah. Not for me. Like 9thCore said, its a better long term solution. She wouldn't have to go out of her way to make c2c compatible with other mods. Literally ask "whats that guid?" (In 2.0, not sure how it works for legacy) And call it a day. The only reason I would ask her to add anything for my mods is if multiple people start asking for it. It'd need a rebalance so its also why I'm not asking Reika to do it now (btw Reika they are not hard coded values for the multipliers and actually fields)

My mods are set up horribly though I'll have someone backport them eventually

[unreal flame]

The blacklist is more or less “only what needs to be excluded”

A whitelist is a bad idea for a myriad of reasons

[barren oar]

some being...?

with c2c being a heavily modified and custom modelled experience i really dont see why it would be

[errant cairn]

Why?

Gimme 5 good reasons

[unreal flame]

1. Unhealthy conceptually (mods should make some effort to be usable with as much as is reasonable)
2. Harassment (people will be even more pissed about not being able to install most mods, compared to just some)
3. Lock-in (if the mod doesn’t allow by default, how is reika to know if a new mod ought to be allowed?)
4. legal (if the mod begins to prevent too much, it might be grounds to be deemed malware, or at least approaching such)
5. effort (in order to alleviate any of the above, more mods would have to be whitelisted than would be blacklisted)

[barren oar]

oh yep 3 is a very good point

i was thinking simply "yo reika [mod] looks cool would it work" but that also implies reika check it herself

[unreal flame]

2 would probably be reika’s primary reason for not doing this

[errant cairn]

Possibly

[errant cairn]

That's 4 reasons because 5 would suck either way. 1 is on the fence because some people could care less than they already can or can't make it usable with C2C

Aka, there'd be a lot of effort in either case long term. Esp if reika finally decides to port it to 2.0

For 3, by her current set of rules? she has like Yes amount of checks and guards in place to stop you from circumventing her mechanics including the mod blocking. Edge cases exist like Sea Voyager used to be but otherwise its pretty clear

But that would also increase effort

[unreal flame]

You misunderstood the point of #3

To reword #5, the list of mods that C2C is inherently incompatible with is always going to be smaller than the list of mods that it can work with, even in terms of current and future scope

[errant cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

I can name 5 mods right now that are in 2.0 that Reika will probably have to do something about

[trail ether]

you are aggravating

[errant cairn]

thank you

[errant cairn]

Maybe I'm just dumb idk.

cause like if it breaks X mechanic, block it. right? am I wrong?

[rotund anchor]

So, the microfilter recipe. ||It's supposed to be in a cave by the jellyshroom degasi base entrance. I think I found the cave but there is nothing there for me. Scan indicates a unknown object, but there is nothing there. Am I supposed to trigger it appearing somehow ?||

[errant cairn]

Microfilter? The stuff that needs a ||Pyroid Pitcher Pods||?

If so, its never supposed to be there????

[trail ether]

||what is the topology of the cave||

[rotund anchor]

||Nvm. I guess I need to find the last purple fragment in Mountains. I already spent like 4h looking for it and no luck.||

[pearl pier]

kinda sucks how morale just dissapears in like a minute of being in the crash zone

[trail plinth]

the crash zone is the area where you can see the wreckage of the ship and basically the representation of how thoroughly screwed you are

[trail plinth]

also it's full of reapers

[faint summit]

So after reading the various posts about the oddities of Sunbeam Debris and their tendency of not spawning, I'm kind of at a standstill here.

I went to every one of these and there was no debris.

Does anyone have any advice regarding the debris not spawning.

[errant cairn]

1 minute for u? 30 seconds for me

[errant cairn]

Wait and come back in 30 minutes

[fiery fiber]

Sorry to ask again but just wanna co firm that there are no longer the config xml anymore?

[trail ether]

I was watching it spawn just fine for @trail plinth yesterday

we were even recording

so there must be some cause that explains why some people have this issue

a setting, or another mod, or something

[trail ether]

no?

[barren oar]

think you could add some debug into the spawner next update?

could help with diagnosing it

ive had this issue, albeit on a smaller scale (items would sometimes not spawn, until i'd collected others) and i assumed it was some form of "pool" system, where there can only be N items spawned at a time, and i didnt really have any extra mods installed

afaik i only really had buildingtweaks and dextinction (mods which aren't part of the c2c suite, and also aren't radialtabs or terrainhelper since they're recommended/required)

the culprit probably isn't the || nest fix || since i wasnt progressed enough to need it yet

[karmic drum]

On second thought I won't be playing c2c for a long time

The world feels like it's exploding

[trail ether]

what

[faint summit]

Exploding you say.

Sounds fun.

Btw this is the complete mods list I'm running, can't think of anything that would cause the debris to not spawn but you never know.

Not going to ask you to analyze my log as well but can also post if you're interested.

I will mention the only thing abnormal was that I updated the mods several times in this playthrough (about 4 times). Due to the really bad morale bug that was present a few versions ago, I tend to update whenever possible.

[trail ether]

nothing in this list looks suspicious either

[faint summit]

I also had the problem of the data cards beyond the first one not appearing on the scanner until I came back after updating yesterday and scanning again.

So I kinda just got the depth module after having a fully kitted base with every crop you can think of as well as sealed fabric so the progression has been a bit out of sorts for me as it is.

[barren oar]

thats just scanner rooms being ass lol totally normal

[faint summit]

Yeah but usually the issue is you have to make sure the cell is loaded in by going there first so I know something beyond normal was wrong.

But oh well, I'm just glad to have it.

I never would have found them without the scanner.

[trail plinth]

Weird. The most I had to wait for a scanner room item to materialize was a couple seconds when i approached it

[barren oar]

every copy of c2c is personalised

[trail ether]

by how much I like you

which is why Law is having so many issues

[trail ether]

not the cell itself

the scanner room does not actively go out and find anything, despite its ingame presentation

in actuality things that can be marked by the scanner room add themselves to a big cache when they load in

at a distance determined by their loading range, ie LargeWorldEntity.cellLevel

most items that a scanner room would find are short-range, one of the lower cell levels

[trail ether]

this is why restarting the game purges everything; the cache is gone and now things need to be loaded back in again

[trail ether]

for things like hand-collectable ores this is less than 50m

now it looks like I made sunbeam debris global - so it would always load in - making that irrelevant here

however the "conversion logic" is entirely different

[faint summit]

Also I've found like 3 large prawn suit chassis fragments, does anyone know where a fourth is aside from the Aurora?

I know it's hard to say without knowing which ones I have but I can't remember where I got them either, the playthrough is getting to the 48 hour mark it was so long ago.

[barren oar]

fairly certain prawn is locked behind aurora ye

[faint summit]

So it's just a jebait.

Also I'm not sure if this is how it's supposed to work but ||the blood crawler nest, although it took me about an hour to find, it only spawn when I go near where it is. A message appears saying "regenerating nest" when I get close and things spawn in as normal.||

[barren oar]

not necessarily but good thing they're created when needed lol

[faint summit]

One more thing, is it normal for ||phytoplankton clusters to just constantly generate on your base when you set up in the grassy plateau?||

[faint summit]

Oh god, the vomitting when you take off the liquid breathing system.

[worldly valve]

Aometimes they appear after a bit.i collected almost all of it on my filw

Some of it os ungrabable

[worldly valve]

Its inconsistent for sure i wish i knew more

[trail ether]

spoiler this

[trail ether]

yes, deal with it (and by that I do not mean "suck it up")

[worldly valve]

?

[trail plinth]

I will judge how much you like me based on how much damage I took from phytoplankton

[trail plinth]

yeah it icks me out too lmao

[faint summit]

So, the rock crusher, what's the deal with this dingy thing.

It mentions it doesn't worth with crystaline clusters but I seem to have a hard time getting to work ever.

[trail plinth]

What kinda rocks are you trying to crush?

[faint summit]

Lithium, lead, the works

Tried it on a gold deposit and couldn't get it to work either.

It seems really finnicky about where you can place it.

The only reason I know it works is because I managed to get it to work on a salt deposit once.

[trail plinth]

Ahhh okay, not sure then. I haven't made it just yet, but I haven't had any issues with it in my previous playthroughs

[worldly valve]

There might be enough of the 1/20 frags if you are a madlad

[worldly valve]

Tbis is to fix an older bug with em

[worldly valve]

Actually...if you think about it, sucking it up is "kind' of the idea😏

[worldly valve]

Also one of c2cs big variables😂😂😂

Sometimes its no biggie

Other times you wish it was a reaper bite

[worldly valve]

Is it powered? Whwre are you dropping the rocks, there is a visial clue on where it works

[faint summit]

The grinder is facing the rocks, it doesn't require power, and I've gotten it to work only once.

I made sure of it.

[worldly valve]

Im prettt sure it required power

But i ciuld be wrong

Could try uncrafting and recrafting it?

[faint summit]

It seems like it has an extreme intolerance to being placed on even slightly uneven terrain.

The problem isn't that it isn't working, it's that I can't even place it down most of the time.

A lot of odd things have been happening to me this playthrough, sunbeam debris not loading in, depth module data cards not loading in at first, updating the game last version caused me to lose a lot of recipes and things in my locker transformed into other things.

[trail plinth]

oh, yeah I just slap it on a foundation connected to a powered seabase

[faint summit]

It's been a wild ride to be sure.

[trail plinth]

then I bring the rocks to it

[faint summit]

With a tether or propulsion cannon?

[trail plinth]

ye

[faint summit]

Huh, I'll try that, thanks.

[trail ether]

that is not even a C2C feature

it is Ecocean

[worldly valve]

Do you not put it on a

Foundation

[errant cairn]

I use all of these and it spawns for me

[errant cairn]

this and console commands are whats common in my 5 broken saves

[errant cairn]

oh thats been a problem that I forced convinced reika to fix

[errant cairn]

Yes

[errant cairn]

ngl i love the idea, but idk if its biochemically accurate

[errant cairn]

when the save isnt broken

[trail plinth]

Wouldn't you also cough up fluid if it's in your lungs?

[errant cairn]

Not if my body didnt reject it

[faint summit]

Alright now I'm pretty sure the rock crusher doesn't need power

This is the image of it on the mod site

[trail plinth]

Breathing fluids exist irl, and it requires some amount of effort to not cough it up

[errant cairn]

hm mk

[errant cairn]

oooooo that's hyper interesting

[errant cairn]

is this spoilered on the site?

[trail plinth]

It's less about the chemical composition of the fluid in the lungs, and more about the fact that it's a liquid, and your body will naturally try to expel it since most if not all 'natural' liquids shouldn't be in your lungs

[errant cairn]

Can we swap betwen them like if we take off the liquid breathing system in C2C?

[trail plinth]

wdym swap between them?

You mean a regular o2 tank and liquid breathing?

[errant cairn]

ye

cause thats a thing i do

[trail plinth]

should be able to yeah, that's how you get the vomiting sfx

[faint summit]

No

[trail plinth]

oh you mean irl

[errant cairn]

ye

[errant cairn]

ill have an O2 tank then when thats gone swap to liquid breathing

it was peak

[trail plinth]

I don't know enough about it, all I know is that it exists, has uses, and I'm assuming has been tried with diving but I don't actually know

the wikipedia entry for liquid breathing has a bunch of info and sources on it

[errant cairn]

It raises so many question for me

I'm not gonna ask here, but it just does

[faint summit]

Uhh, is this normal when putting on the liquid breathing system?

[errant cairn]

No.

Exceptions are not normal

[trail plinth]

Probably not, exceptions are usually an indicator of a problem

[errant cairn]

EVER

[errant cairn]

Especially NREs (null reference exceptions)

[trail plinth]

Granted I'm not a programmer so I don't know what the exception entails but it's usually not a good sign

[faint summit]

I literally did a fresh install today.

[errant cairn]

I also had an exception though it was with something different

The mod still ran despite that

a reload should fix it

[faint summit]

I also got one in the mountain sea base but it didn't seem like an issue at the time.

[errant cairn]

Ye this is what I got an exception for

[trail plinth]

oh the ghost item exception yeah

[errant cairn]

I think Reika is catching exceptions then continuing so that the mod still works even if an exception is thrown.

Because usually the mod stops working if an exception is thrown and not caught

[trail plinth]

If the exception isn't game-breaking then yeah, plus it's useful for testing purposes

[errant cairn]

True

[errant cairn]

Oh thats the root bug?

[trail plinth]

plus if you're forced to save only when in a safe area, crashing randomly might be a bit...painful

[errant cairn]

Its not that bad if you have your save reminders set for 3 minutes

[trail plinth]

iirc it's the same problem, so far most structure-spawned items (I think only from storages) have that issue

[errant cairn]

interesting

[trail plinth]

structure/set piece, however it's put

[errant cairn]

Structure/Base Piece/GameObject

[worldly valve]

Man you did put it on the ground...is that what you do for your gardens too?😅

[errant cairn]

And it'd still be with the settings with the locker base piece

[karmic drum]

This is what I was trying to explain when I said you needed to take off the tank and not the mask

[errant cairn]

I never took off the mask tho, but if this is for others then ok

[karmic drum]

I had the wrong person ye

[errant cairn]

aight

[faint summit]

This is the picture of it that the developer took, this isn't from me.

[worldly valve]

Phhh lolol

[errant cairn]

Man this has me wanting to hop on c2c again. so i will in a bit

[trail plinth]

I wouldn't go by what the example images on the site show, since they're just to showcase what's being added and how they work, to an extent. Does hte databank entry for the rock crusher explain its requirements?

[trail ether]

it was probably parented to a nearby base that is just offscreen

[trail ether]

no - does it happen constantly or just once

[trail ether]

to...have to expel the liquid from your lungs to breathe air again?

[trail ether]

if it only fires on switch i think i know what is doing it

and it is not at all a serious issue, though obviously should not happen

[errant cairn]

No the chemical formula

[trail ether]

another race condition, like the ghost item one https://i.imgur.com/GuVPSGW.png

[errant cairn]

Race conditions...my favorite

[faint summit]

Just the once, usually if I load in while wearing it, putting it on repeatedly does not replicate the issue.

Also this has been concerning me.

What the red hell is this.

[trail ether]

clear000

[karmic drum]

Oh so that's the command for getting rid of whatever spawns there

[errant cairn]

0,0,0 bug. constant even in 2.0

[karmic drum]

Yea. Sometimes it'll throw whatever

Chunks of terrain, parts of different biomes, a whole wreck...

One time I had it drop an amp eel into the shallows

That was a pain to kill....

[errant cairn]

[faint summit]

No, you reject this beautiful gift, I shall worship it.

It is an egg, the begginning of a new world.

Our savior

[errant cairn]

I don't even reject it

I accept it for what material it is

[faint summit]

It is all materials.

[errant cairn]

The rest is for you to interpret

[faint summit]

It is all things

The world converges here.

[errant cairn]

Wonder if even the TechTypes with old tacked on the end are there

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/BKgoBkg.jpg

from my first playthrough in mar 2022

that is the 000 ledge right there

[trail ether]

do not exploit it

[karmic drum]

Oh absolutely the freedom coded the fuck not

😭

[trail ether]

i never had an issue with it really

ampeels are not very aggressive

[karmic drum]

I just don't like things were they don't belong

[errant cairn]

he cant 😭

theres electricity there that stops him and a ui object

[faint summit]

I'm speaking metaphorically, I can't collect anything from it.

[trail plinth]

I think I managed to record seeing an anchor pod floating above 000

not the craziest thing to be seen at 000 but I thought it was still funny

[errant cairn]

tf is an anchor pod?

i dont remember, but it does ring a bell somewhere

[trail plinth]

grand reef balls

[errant cairn]

o ye

[karmic drum]

Busting a nut at the heart of it all

[errant cairn]

[karmic drum]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-pixar-inc-monstersinc-mike-gif-21326421

[faint summit]

Ok, ||does nanocarbon crash down to the sea bed or is it supposed to be on the surface of the water, I keep going to where I see it crash and find nothing.||

[pearl pier]

yeah I have the same question

[faint summit]

I just stood directly under a falling debris and nothing spawned.

And I'm pretty sure it's always supposed to be nanocarbon.

[barren oar]

surface

very small and tbh might as well give up if it happens to fall during night

i do think there's a bit of glint but in my experience its very hard to see and not really visible unless you can already pick it up loo

that said, i havent played lately, so things could have also changed (i do doubt it, though)

[faint summit]

I spawned one in for reference and I'm pretty sure nothing spawned.

[barren oar]

there is a chance it's blacklisted from being spawned, not too sure

[faint summit]

No, it did spawn when the command was used, but not when the debris impacted.

[barren oar]

ah

[faint summit]

At least I think so.

May have just dissolved while I was looking

The one I dropped sank to the ocean floor, you're saying it doesn't sink when the event happens?

[barren oar]

last i recall it don't

it is possible to make an item suspended in the air until picked up and rethrown

well. suspended in water, i guess

[faint summit]

A ghost leviathan phased through the ceiling of the lost river, there is now a ghost leviathan wandering around the grassy plateau

Send help

Ok, he just got launched into the stratosphere.

What a series of events

[karmic drum]

Average subnautica moment

He is... never coming back to the river btw

Bro is just gone

[faint summit]

He attacked my base

[karmic drum]

He's just a baby

[errant cairn]

Did he destroy it?

[faint summit]

No, he fucked off.

Just caused a hull breach and ran away.

Alright, I may just have to start a new playthrough, too many bugs, possibly as a result of updating mid playthrough.

I'm 48 hours in so probably won't be for some time.

Can't get avolite and nanocarbon is confirmed not spawning on debris impact.

I'd rather not spawn anything in due to anticheat measures so the best result is probably to start over.

[trail ether]

that is not an issue 99% of the time

[pearl pier]

so I am curious whether the thing required to get volcanic traces is scannable?

[karmic drum]

Yes.

[pearl pier]

ok good

[pearl pier]

actually I found it but can't seem to get it to show up on my scanner

had the same issue with similar sort of "fragment hunts"

[karmic drum]

Some things don't show up on scanners

Special types of fragments that grant access to key custom tech is normally on that list

I think...

[pearl pier]

ah

ok

[karmic drum]

Don't take my word

[trail ether]

it may or may not be

"treasure hunt" ones indeed do not

becauase that would defeat the point

[pearl pier]

fair

[karmic drum]

Oh. Then the one's I'm thinking of 100% don't

[pearl pier]

but once again I am reminded how annoying fire damage is with morale

[karmic drum]

I just didn't want to assume things and then have you correct me 😅

[karmic drum]

I think I'd be ticked off if I got scorched

[pearl pier]

yeah but its just annoying for exploration when you are forced to suffer a speed penalty for required exploration

[karmic drum]

It asks you to re-aproach how you explore. And maybe just maybe... taunts you with a reward that will make that exploration easier in the future

Afterall. What good is a solution if it doesn't reward you for facing a problem

[pearl pier]

ok so only biomes left are mushroom disk forest and crash zone out of the ones I have explored

[errant cairn]

oh yeah i gotta complete that

[karmic drum]

The only hit I will give. Is that you're looking for something biological in nature

[trail plinth]

Dang you hit up the dunes and blood kelp before mushroom disk forest?

[worldly valve]

What are the most defining bugs? Did you ever get sunbeam debris?

[worldly valve]

I believe need 50%

[faint summit]

No I never got sunbeam debris, I'm just going to start a new playthrough later and use console commands to recover most of my stuff. Here's hoping none of the anticheat measures Reika coded in will remote detonate my base while I'm away or explode in my pocket while I'm deep diving in the grand reef.

[worldly valve]

Spawning most things in is fine

Tho modules you probably need to spawn in the stuff

[pearl pier]

I haven't been in blood kelp ret so thats one of the ones I am missing but mushroom disk hasn't been done yet mainly because I have literally zero clue what extra things could be there, which I guess just means I gotta scan again

[karmic drum]

Use your eyes. Not your tech

Or welll

The tech might help

But not in the ways you usually use it

[faint summit]

Don't forget the portals need to be investigated every time to check everything off, otherwise investigate the giant tree and the wreck caught in the trees

[errant cairn]

Or worse. Brick your save again

[pearl pier]

Ah yeah its prolly just the alien arch

[errant cairn]

istg the only commonalities in my 5 broken saves are

• adding mods"
• updating
• spamming commands

[pearl pier]

ok so I found another thing that got deleted, I guess its time to ditch this save

wondering if this mod could have been the source of the issues somehow?

well if im starting a new save im gonna try FCS I suppose since sea2sea has compatibility

but the FCS site is down rn

[errant cairn]

Oh god I hope to god my save isn't bricked

I hope Reika doesn't hate me that bad

[errant cairn]

I'm not going to be able to play it for a while

[barren oar]

reika uses it afaik, i highly doubt it

[pearl pier]

could it have been from adding it mid playthrough?

[karmic drum]

Scanner rooms are sort of weird in general

And again. Somethings aren't meant to show up

I remember finding what you're looking for by pure accident

[barren oar]

while I can't say for certain, i do assume it doesn't do anything that'd warrant save corruption

(otherwise, there'd probably be reports about this issue, as it's pretty significant)

[pearl pier]

yeah

im not sure what could have caused it at all

[pearl pier]

I already found that but I'm starting a new playthrough due to save corruption

[karmic drum]

Ah

[barren oar]

glhf lol i'd be pretty pissed if that happened to me

luckily i havent encountered any sort of save corruption in neither of my last playthrough nor the one before

[karmic drum]

Yea. I just don't install mods midway, or run commands, or do anything else but play the game really. And my saves are always fine 😅

[barren oar]

i admittedly did cheat items in the last playthrough (The Item before the Consumption Patch was made because i didn't feel like grinding Six Hundred Twenty Seven Salt for a chance to get one)

also the fucking Oil that kept disappearing inside of my lockers

its like a 20min round trip to get those and them disappearing im fairly certain is not intended (since reika was confused too, last i recall)

oh it was about them becoming the container they're in but close enough ^

though i do think I've experienced a suspicious shortage of them given I'd grab like a seamoth storage's worth of items and run out after using like 4 in a few hours

with reloads in-between

[trail ether]

content slop https://v.redd.it/3x1w1u7d3rsf1

this is exactly the kind of thing so many expect C2C to be

[barren oar]

its one creature it isnt that deep lol

[karmic drum]

Yup... people hear "big mod" and automatically assume some sort of cinema experience that takes minimal effort to actually play

[pearl pier]

sea2sea is exactly what I wanted from subnautica tbh, extending the entire game to actually make spending time and exploring worthit

so seeing the state of a lot of popular mods is interesting

[karmic drum]

You are part of the exception. Not the rule

Those of us like you and I who truly enjoy the mod

Are few and far in-between

[trail ether]

not really my point

my point is "giant creature covred in reaper heads" could not be more on the nose for "obviously just trying to appeal to screaming kids" if you tried

[karmic drum]

Same with "big flashy submarine"

[barren oar]

oh thats fair

i did kind of have the same feeling from red plague the first time i'd seen it

back when its most distinctive feature was jumpscares

[karmic drum]

It's an agitation towards the general state of subnautica modding as a whole tbh

[barren oar]

although i do think its uh

Matured? since then

havent kept up to date however

i do Hear* would be a better verb here

[trail ether]

yes

[trail ether]

also true, but that is at least considerably higher effort

[karmic drum]

Yes. It does take significantly more effort to create something like the beluga, seal, or prototype

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/vleYJ3M.png

also slightly related, and relevant to here, some people might recognize what I am referencing https://i.imgur.com/NEU0N5u.png

though the "how was i supposed to know" was a different much older thing, back in 2014

accidentally left debug glass marker towers in a build of ChromatiCraft and a guy on the dev server - who turned out to be completely insufferable in a dozen other ways, before he ultimately stormed out of my social circle after calling me a nazi for some inane thing - exploited that to find them all and sincerely (pretended to) argue(d) that there was no way for a player to know that was not intended

[karmic drum]

People... are exhausting...

I'm not gonna spend my limited "spoons" elaborating beyond that

Just because...yea I could type all day about this stuff

But with me being Audhd... it would consume loads of my energy

I'm back.... not gonna let my scattered brain tell me that I can't still enjoy gaming

[forest valve]

"YOU LEFT DEBUG STUFF IN YOUR MOD, NAZI!!"

[trail ether]

no the accusation was over a philosophy/social ocmmentary thing

I do not remember what exactly it was, but i can strongly guess the general idea

though it is probably outside the rules of this server to say

i see no clear rule banning anything mentioning that kind of stuff but i doubt it is desired

[forest valve]

alright

[karmic drum]

I felt that in my soul 😭

I think I regret fixing my radio

God damn did Riley's soul drop when he heard no one was coming

[forest valve]

well, its one of the first things ur told to do in vanilla, whats so bad about it smh

oh right 💔

[karmic drum]

The morale system lol. Which I'm actually loving

[forest valve]

every zero he juust gets sadder

[karmic drum]

Love that the first no one is coming message basically tanks it to zero. Like genuinely

That is not sarcasm

It's brilliant

[forest valve]

bro went through all 5 stages of grief 10 times lmao

probably 50 by the time he leaves the planet

[karmic drum]

Bro found out what it's like to unmask a mental disorder for the first time

Speaking from personal experience...

Not fun 😂

Gratifying

But not fun

[karmic drum]

Yup cries in crash fish

[forest valve]

bro has BPD from how many times he went from happy to sad

just built in 5 stages now

give his ass depakine asap

[karmic drum]

That is vile

[forest valve]

used to treat epilepsy and bpd

[karmic drum]

Huh, as I thought. Listening to survivors logs can cause losses to morale

[forest valve]

but horrible if pregnant

[karmic drum]

I like that

[forest valve]

wtf

[karmic drum]

Interesting

[forest valve]

like listening to them a second time?

[karmic drum]

My anti-depressants and adhd meds are around here somewhere

[trail ether]

no

[karmic drum]

No. The first time. If I'm even right

[trail ether]

there is a lot of "yoyoing" of morale from the various survivors

[karmic drum]

Am I right or crazy?

[karmic drum]

I'm here for it

[forest valve]

oh i wonder how uhhh, khasar's is

[trail ether]

the radio gives you a boost, then finding the truth gives you a malus, and removes the boost

[forest valve]

is it just slowly gaining morale then plummeting

[trail ether]

both fade with time

https://i.imgur.com/0iOr4EW.png

[trail ether]

i also have a jar of morphine that i have never touched, in case of Yet Another Stone™

[karmic drum]

I just ate a hover fish. Which I've never eaten before.. and it took my morale away.

It was too cute to eat 😭

[trail ether]

yes, i specifically put that in after @trail plinth did it

[karmic drum]

Okay... I'm not even mad. That's awesome

[forest valve]

gordon freewoman

funny tjings like that

does finding new materials or recipes give more morale?

[barren oar]

shit stats and lowers morale 💔

hoverfish taking the Ls

[karmic drum]

I don't need morphine thankfully 😅. But I have had to start re-designing my entire living space after re-descovering my long masked sensory sensitivity from my autism. (Neurotypical friendly rooms hurt my morale stat )

[barren oar]

last i interacted with the system, getting blueprints raised morale

not items though

[trail ether]

every discovery and new scan gives a boost yes

just a single impulse, not a lasting shift

[forest valve]

nice

ye ye

[trail ether]

I can speak from repeated experience what it is like having rocks in your tubes

spiky rocks no less

[karmic drum]

That reminds me of a video essay on the game

[karmic drum]

Yea... I don't even that

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/jk1z2Np.png

[karmic drum]

I hope it gets better ❤️

[trail ether]

that was a year ago

it resolved by october

though there was another stone since

now I have semiannual CTs

[karmic drum]

Damn

Okay. Getting off c2c for a bit because my autism is screaming at me and I have a psychiatry appointment in a bit

But loving the morale system @trail ether

Feel like too many are complaining about what they don't like and not speaking on what they do

[karmic drum]

me getting ready to watch my morale vanish in real time xD

[karmic drum]

Realized I left my hard mode config on from the last save. we ball Ig xD

[errant cairn]

Thank you. 12/10 change

[errant cairn]

I feel like I should be offended by these statements, but they're not wrong and "big flashy sub" can be cool as fuck. I never really cared for red plague until the latter stages and from what I know of Act 3 it's going to be cool content slop.

Yes. Kid appeal is huge. Some of us (im 16) love content slop such as Prototype or TRP. That experience is a thing we never forget. Sound design was huge too. Some of us just love cheat tools that fuck with the game so much it's funny. It's mostly why Literal Seaglide Upgrades exists. To go Mach 50 across the map. If I didn't want that, I wouldn't be Jr. Modder/Programmer

Some programmers appeal to kids because most of them don't play it once and move on

[faint summit]

If you're suggesting that I simply redo my 48 hour playthrough, that's out of the question.

[errant cairn]

I said the same thing about my 50+ hour save until I was forced to reset it because the water currents stopped appearing (main evidence that a save is bricked)

[faint summit]

Water currents were still there on my save but like I said, with no evolite or nanocarbon, it's a pointless struggle.

[errant cairn]

I now have a 30+ hour play through in the works. I don't even have the first big milestone yet!

[errant cairn]

It's pretty hard, but not impossible. You can get deep without ||avolite|| or the other thing. Then, once you're save is finally permanently bricked, reset and remember where everything is and do it again

[karmic drum]

I'm maybe... an hour and a half to this new save

[errant cairn]

And what do you have?

[faint summit]

I'm going to do an FCS playthrough while I work up the nerve to start another C2C run.

Never tried it before.

[karmic drum]

seaglide, the builder, and a fixed pod

[errant cairn]

12/10 start

[errant cairn]

I didn't like it because it seemed like an endless grind

[karmic drum]

I mean if you play it alone then yea. It can certainly feel like a tycoon.

[faint summit]

I love those sorts of things.

[karmic drum]

It would overwhelm the shit out of my adhd. The only way I can use it is along side something like Reika's mods

[errant cairn]

Some of us also want the game as easy as possible just to get the cool looking things and experience them ourselves. It's not even if we add the hard mods we want to play them. We add them because we can. Some of us actually do the opposite if we want to, or are dared to.

[karmic drum]

it's really a subjective point of view that we speak from

[errant cairn]

And I get that. I just feel offended by some statements, but I really have no reason to be offended

Other than attacking my favorite mods. But they're my favorite because they look cool

[karmic drum]

And even that opinion for myself... is largely reinforced by how much more popular "quick" mods are. Though I guess I don't really have a reason to feel offended by that.

[errant cairn]

True

[karmic drum]

I think we get it in our heads that we have to defend the things we like all the time.

but sometimes it's just better to let a different opinion exist. Unless of course you're going for a learning angle.

But reflexively defending things is exhausting

[errant cairn]

I also can't really defend Prototype or TRP because what you guys say is just facts

Let alone RotA

[karmic drum]

Or unless you're in Reika's case. And the thing you like is constantly getting attacked for not being what the other party wants it to be. And or are getting personal attacks over the matter.

[errant cairn]

Well idk abt RotA I'd like to get Reika's opinion on that (presumably she saw it in its full self before 2.0 hit)

[karmic drum]

Defending against something like that is Logical and justified.

I do think things like RotA or TRP would be cool to play through one time each once they're done. I Just get tired of hearing people's loud and often aggressive opinions on them.

LIke I get it. You think your thing is cool. Let me enjoy mine in peace.

[errant cairn]

Fair. I'm interested in how they make act 5 better than act 3 let alone act 4.

Also AotU is dead according to sources I wont get into.

No more official updates for RotA

[karmic drum]

I think Animosity also fuels the Intensity of opinions.

The more people try to senselessly be loud.

The worse things get.

[trail plinth]

Welcome back to the depths

[trail plinth]

Oh yeah i had no idea what they looked like up close lmfao, i was just hungry 😭

[karmic drum]

I knew what they looked like. I was just testing how many times I needed to rotate out my foods before It started costing me morale 😅

[karmic drum]

Man, getting this first tooth is like trying to literally pull teeth

[karmic drum]

So eating multiple fish back to back hurts morale... guess I'm gonna wanna pay a visit to the floating island

[errant cairn]

Yea

[errant cairn]

That was a 12/10 change thank you for this mistake

[trail plinth]

the number of changes/fixes that have happened because of me is concerning

[worldly valve]

New strat, dont repair radio ever just wxplore and scan

[karmic drum]

That's what I ended up doing

Took me a minute to remember

[worldly valve]

Ryleys like me, fooda the only thing that truly makes the fleeting happiness occur

[karmic drum]

Got up to plugging the reactor leak. That's gonna be it for today

Not bad for a first 3hrs

[worldly valve]

Why does eating a hoverfish lower morale?

[trail plinth]

Hold one in your hand

[trail plinth]

well that's faster than my current run lmao

[worldly valve]

Maybe im just heartleaa

Because not once have i ever even conaidered that they are cute enough to not eat

I thought it was hilarious when i got one from a capsul, and ate it immediately because i was low in water

[trail plinth]

Fortunately your character is someone else, and they think they're regrettable to eat

[worldly valve]

Ans then read the capsul asking me to not eat it😂

So do you get a morale loss every time you eat one?

If so thats pretty rough

There are areas where thwy are one of the only food

[trail plinth]

....what?

[trail ether]

name one

[trail plinth]

the only areas they spawn in are the kelp forests, and those also have hoopfish, as well as being small enough to neighbour most other biomes with a diverse array of local prey fish

[trail ether]

exactly

[worldly valve]

Yeah even at 2 fish available rotsting harms morale last i checked

[trail ether]

hoopfish and boomerangs

[worldly valve]

So if hoverfish cant be eaten

Then you are guareteed to feel sad every eat

[trail plinth]

So if you limit yourself to the kelp forests then yeah, but you're neighbouring the grassy plateaus and safe shallows, which open up peepers, reginalds, spadefish, garryfish, and I forget what else

[karmic drum]

That would be the adhd... and a lot of previous mini saves

[trail plinth]

Also last I checked eating too many of any fish would cause morale loss due to lack of variety

[karmic drum]

At least until you get access to other foods. But again... food is not the primary mechanism for raising morale

[karmic drum]

Yup

[trail plinth]

It's less about raising morale and more about not losing morale

[karmic drum]

Morale is just something you fight with until you figure out how to keep it up

[worldly valve]

Early game it is

[trail plinth]

I see it as a mechanism to extend the early game, mostly the pre-seamoth era

[karmic drum]

And acknowledge that there are probably some places where you can't

[worldly valve]

You cant pretty afy your base till a fair bit in

[karmic drum]

I mean yea. But it'll still effect you after that

[worldly valve]

And tbh i think food will stau the main thing for it into late game

[trail plinth]

I would expect morale to be super low at the start of a run when you're just swimming around and stuck to your lifepod

[worldly valve]

Unless you can get a base to be oretty enough in every room that you never go under 80

[worldly valve]

Just kinda lame as that just means you move slower and get hungrier and get thirsteier which makes you move slower

[trail plinth]

Oh not at all, I average about 10-15 morale bonus from eating to overfull when I start around 20-25 hunger

[worldly valve]

I dont think there is any gains to high morale

It just removes penalties

From what ive seen posted

Happiness is more importabt than anything else

Whoch i still find super weird as per maslows hoerchy

Also what makes a baze pretty is inevitably 100% arbitrary

[trail plinth]

Honestly I don't know the benefits for high morale, if there are any. I generally don't really look at my morale unless I need to swim outside of a vehicle for something

[worldly valve]

The other notabel thing about morale is mostlt for force mor vehicle use

Which is also kinda annoying

The seamoth on its own is genuinely a big hindrance to drive around

You dont want it even mildly in crash zone, or in any area with bone sharks

I just think its silly the beggining of the game the most important thing to do

Is play house sinulator

[trail plinth]

I'm gonna just have to agree to disagree then. The seamoth has always been a turning point to my exploration, as it opens access to the rest of the map for the most part that I wouldn't want to swim by hand or seaglide. Being able to load it with storage modules is also something I regularly do. It acts as a staging point for free swimming as well, especially when I need to leave my seamoth above crush depth so I can swim deeper without worrying about going back to the surface for air

Also I regularly bring my seamoth through the crash zone because reapers are generally prediactable and worst case I just repair my seamoth, rather than tanking 80 damage and having to leave so I don't get eaten

I do agree bone sharks are a pain in the ass though

[worldly valve]

Reapers are much easier to avoid with just a sea glide

And azurite seaglide is fsster than the seamoth until mid late game

[trail plinth]

Faster above 80m of depth yeah

[worldly valve]

Even below 80 is mostly outpaces

[barren oar]

...the seamoth gets faster?

[trail plinth]

No?

Also not to my knowledge

[worldly valve]

Depth mods do a little bit

[barren oar]

what

[worldly valve]

|| as does another thing||

Pretty sure they do, seen it reported

Never did speed tests to be fair

[barren oar]

the modules that increase your maximum crush depth. you're saying they increase speed too for free?

first time i hear of this at least

[worldly valve]

I swear ive seen it reported

But the storage mudoels themselves cost a lot of time of the moth

[barren oar]

I'd expect they'd lower speed if anything, acting as some form of reinforcement so it (seamoth)'s stronger against the water's pressure

[worldly valve]

Not only does it cost time each moment you pop in and out

[karmic drum]

I think you and I just have a deeper respect for in depth gameplay

[worldly valve]

Ans each moment you open it and put stuff in

[karmic drum]

Because I can back you on all of that

[worldly valve]

It also adds to the run back ans forth time once you hit base as well

[barren oar]

you can also carry like twice your inventory lol

[worldly valve]

It takes less than 30 seconds for azure seaglide to hit surface

[karmic drum]

This was with an old external mod that got put on the blacklist

[barren oar]

you dont need to go back and forth base to biome

[trail plinth]

Yeah? Generally I would like to bring twice as much as I normally would back from a haul rather than making more than one haul

[worldly valve]

From around 350-400m

But you see 1 resource

You hop out

You grab it

[barren oar]

its the difference between moving to a new place with a car, bringing a box at a time, and with a truck, bringing all of them at once

[trail plinth]

The seamoth is even faster from my experience

[worldly valve]

You pop it instorage

Thats easy 5-20 seocnds for 1 otem

[trail plinth]

No, I keep it in my inventory until it fills up enough to warrant storing it

[worldly valve]

As opposed to just pikcup

[trail plinth]

Alright that's just an exaggeration. At most it'd take me 2-3 seconds to drop an item into storage. Even multiple items

[worldly valve]

Yeah but also include the

[trail plinth]

I regularly ferry plant drops from my jellyshroom base to my main base in the sparse reef

[worldly valve]

Hop in ho out

Which each takes about a second

Then move forward to grab

[trail plinth]

And?

[worldly valve]

Each time you see one item

Thats awful

That adds up suuuper fast

[barren oar]

you dont need to wait for the animation to end before you can move

[trail plinth]

I really don't see the issue

[worldly valve]

Not to mention again how much faster azure seaglide is

[barren oar]

also 90% of the time you dont collect "one item at a time"

[trail plinth]

Losing a second per item isn't much of a tradeoff for increased safety and mobile air supply

[karmic drum]

I yall are just being lazy

[barren oar]

resources are generally pretty clumped together in subnautica

[karmic drum]

Penny pinching seconds

[trail plinth]

It's faster above 80m, equalizes at 80, and is slower below 80

[worldly valve]

Secods adds up to minitea

I save time by not using my seamoth

Is has half a dozen time sinks each outing

[trail plinth]

I've got a save that's pushing 70 hours, so that might just be a you thing

[worldly valve]

Biome to biome travel should always be above 80

Seamoth trips always add a few minuts at the least from

[trail plinth]

Most biomes beyond the start of the game go to depths of 200-500

Like I get it if you don't like to use the seamoth, but that's not really a reason to say that it's bad to put more emphasis on using the seamoth

[worldly valve]

Hopping in aand out, extra item managemebt, constantly needing to repair it, require to take big detours because of reapers, getting bitten by reapers

[barren oar]

"constantly needing to repair" dawg do you go to brawls with ghost leviathans or something

[trail plinth]

All of these reasons you're listing are things I would consider trivial and not worth noticing

[karmic drum]

Sorry for sounding like a condescending shit here. But you are literally setting aside time to play the game of your own free will... no one is forcing people to keep playing the mod if it isn't their style

[karmic drum]

Agreed

[trail plinth]

I regularly bump into stuf and lose durability all the time, and I always try to keep my seamoth at 100% hp, so even 1% of damage taken I'll just hop out, right click with my repair tool, and continue on my way

[worldly valve]

The seaglide is fun to use the moth is a chore

[trail plinth]

3-5 seconds of time isn't really much of an issue because I'm not concerned with saving that small amount of time outside of times where it's extremely important to save those 3-5 seconds

[barren oar]

now thats just a skill issue lol

[worldly valve]

They cost way more time than the seaglide ever would

[barren oar]

only times i remember bumping into stuff was when I'd speed 4 to the aurora to harvest

[worldly valve]

The seaglide also means you basicaly can ignore creatures

[trail plinth]

Yeah, and it's something I understand is my responsibility to correct, either by being better or compensating for my mistakes

[barren oar]

though i did also have a lengthy save as well so very easily could have forgotten a bunch

[karmic drum]

I don't play subnautica because I want some quick dopamine fix. Or because I want to feel powerful or efficient. I play it because life stresses me out and I want to immerse myself in a world which isn't my own

[worldly valve]

It adds up to so mich time over a playthrough

[trail plinth]

I'm very much a "turn the seamoth to look at a thing" kind of driver and then I bump into something I didn't see

[barren oar]

thats not to say i consider myself good on any occassion for the record

[worldly valve]

Morale only serves to

Limit exploration

[barren oar]

we dont really have freelook thats fair lol

[worldly valve]

Thats it is full 100% function an intent

[trail plinth]

Again, pushing 70 hours in my playthrough. The amount of time I've lost by using the seamoth for sometihng I could have used a seaglide for is probably less time than I've spent looking at PDA entries while sititng on a bench

[worldly valve]

Its purpose is to make your swim speed slower

There are 0 be efits to morale

Only deficits

Its a player punishment system and that alone

It will never make your playthogh feel more rewarding

[trail plinth]

I don't know enough to say if that's correct or not, but I can say the same for hunger and thirst as a mechanic

Or even oxygen

[worldly valve]

Yes the morale.slows you down and makes you hungry faster

Which then slows you down more

[barren oar]

to be perfectly honest i dont really like morale all too much either

[worldly valve]

Exellent feedback loop

[karmic drum]

There's no sense trying to reason with either of you here

[worldly valve]

Id like morale if at least you have benefits above 80%

[barren oar]

it can make for some comedic moments (radio voicelogs, meticulously timed decreases and increases...)

[worldly valve]

But there is no no positive benefits at any point for morale

[barren oar]

and I'd imagine you get used to it quite quickly too

[worldly valve]

But its more mean spiriyed

Than say

[barren oar]

but i really dont like how it interacts with the crafting system

[trail plinth]

Having something that punishes you for mismanaging it isn't inherently a bad thing. The penalties of low morale are less severe than dying to hunger/thirst, and it's designed to encourage different gameplay to compensate for low morale

[worldly valve]

A trapped safe area in a game

Trapped safe areas in the game are friendlier game design

[barren oar]

though i do think since i last checked the crafting speed should've been raised slightly

[worldly valve]

Its pretty severe especisly since low morale increases food and water loss by a lot

[trail plinth]

Again, there's a difference between "I don't like this thing" and "this thing is bad by design"

[barren oar]

last i looked it was like. 5x slower to open the menu at 0 morsle

torture

[trail plinth]

The most trouble I've had with low morale was when I was bent on making disinfected water instead of catching bladderfish, because I forgot about filtered water

[karmic drum]

Anything which promotes playing the game properly instead of using lazy cheese or outright exploits is a win in my book

[trail plinth]

And that would be a batch of like 12 disinfected water every couple hours or so

[worldly valve]

Using the seaglide and multiple airtanks is lazy cheese?

[worldly valve]

Did you ever look into qhat divers do yet?

Becausd divers always catry multiple tanks man

[trail plinth]

Divers' airtanks can last hours btw

[worldly valve]

Its irresponsible to not

[trail plinth]

Compared to the 45 seconds to 2 and a half minutes of subnautica's airtanks

Also that's real life, where people don't have inventories on their persons, only need to eat 2-3 times per 24 hour period, and where it's ill-advised to solo dive to depths that would warrant more than 1 air tank

[worldly valve]

Can, maybe depending on how good your breath control is, and how deep you are, and if its a big ass tank

[trail plinth]

The point is that it's not comparable because subnautica is a video game that changes how things work compared to real life

[worldly valve]

It is comparable

Espcialhl considering c2c is a puzzle sim

[karmic drum]

Maybe it's not a cheese. But I'd rather come up with more lasting solutions to things... or even temporary solutions that aren't the same every time. Than have a constant inventory space debuff by carrying 2-3 large tanks at a time

[worldly valve]

But a diver not bringing multipel airtanks is stupid

[worldly valve]

Its barely a debuff

But again the only thing morale does is slow the game down and force you to make a base look pretty for absolutley no reason

[trail plinth]

It is absolutely not comparable to real life. Subnautica barely touches the dangers of diving to the depths you do in-game. The most it touches on in the baes game is dying to asphyxiation and oxygen efficiency below 200m, but otherwise you can free-swim below 1km without issue with just a gas medium to breathe

[worldly valve]

If i wanted to make things look pretty id play the sims

Or like a dating sim

Or animal crossing

[barren oar]

i do also agree on the decoration aspect

personally im more of a uh

[worldly valve]

But making my base look pretty is also locked behind MID GAME CONTENT

[barren oar]

Functional? person if i can call ot that

function above look first and foremost

[worldly valve]

99% of the decoration stuff in the game is scsttered all ober the place and often hard to get to

[barren oar]

decorations actually do jack shit other than consume resources and put items you'd use elsewhere in a stasis chamber

though I guess you could call it "function" that they help with morale drain

[worldly valve]

Who in their right mind would ever bother raiding posters from the aurora over the food and water

Someone who is suicidal

Thats who

And doesnt value their own life

[trail plinth]

I did that in the base game because it was a 1x1 item that I could just take for free with no penalty

[barren oar]

i do get the lorewise aspect of it mostly I guess

[trail plinth]

Every time I went to the aurora I took the posters because they were collectibles

[worldly valve]

But your inventory should have been super full of batteries nutrient blocks and water

There are so many of those things even with an empty bag you nneed to leave batteries behind

[barren oar]

you're all alone with the only "human" voices nearby being the pda and other alterra ais

[worldly valve]

Not you mention you only did it for the "morale"

[trail plinth]

Why would it be? Why would I care about carrying 10 batteries and 30 bottles of water? Also my seamoth is parked outside so I can just...store some of that?

[trail plinth]

I said base subnautica

Unmodded

[worldly valve]

Water is useful and you will use evry water bottle you have

And then need more

[barren oar]

if something that reminds of home like a poster helps keep morale up, i can mostly understand that

[trail plinth]

In the base game I rarely have issues with water after the first 2 hours or so, because I can just get access to the water filtration plant and thermal power plants because I can free dive to 500m with just a rebreather and a big air tank

[karmic drum]

Well... you aren't getting a filtration unit that soon here

[trail plinth]

I really don't see your points beyond just "I don't like this thing therefore it's bad"

[karmic drum]

But water still isn't bad

Just need a couple grav traps

[trail plinth]

I ended up making an acu for bladderfish lmao

[barren oar]

although i feel reminding yourself of the alterra that put you in this horrible situation and subsequently refuses to send help and sets up contact with a caller that prioritises his lunch sandwich over giving you any useful information...

[trail plinth]

and then like 2 hours later I made the filtration machines anyway...

[barren oar]

based thats what i did too

not one filtration machine built in my last save

acu carried me through to just before reaching the alz lol

[trail plinth]

understandable, though being able to carry %150 more water per inventory slot was a really nice upgrade

also the salt is useful

[barren oar]

lag ended up being unbearable though so i scrapped that save

[trail plinth]

RIP

[barren oar]

presumably because of the base (i'd built) near the Point Of Interest In The Deep Part Of The World

[trail plinth]

There are like 4 different spots I can think of lmao

[barren oar]

regardless yeah water really isnt an issue

food though :( especially with the cycling i hear of now

bulbo tree outposts are unfortunately no longer enough

the goat

[barren oar]

in my case it really is just complaining about change i think

for my playstyle in particular morale comes and uproots like 70% of it

[trail plinth]

oh yeah I did bulbo trees + marblemelons for the most part as well

just to save water for lengthier excursions

[barren oar]

hehe yep or food

[trail plinth]

For the most part my playstyle hasn't changed too much, more just base organization and dietary concerns

[errant cairn]

I just use food for morale stability. Plant/fish/plant/fish + water

[trail plinth]

normally I'd plant like 12 marblemelons and a few bulbo trees and call it good

[barren oar]

melons i found to be too annoying to deal with in all honesty

[trail plinth]

Eating a reginald while at 96 hunger has been very nice though

[karmic drum]

Oh I was thinking on like the first few hours lol. But I will be making full environmental ACU towers for every producable biome. Because I was looking over one of the mod pages... and as it turns out. (Unless it's an unfinished feature) you can indeed harvest waste from larger predator fish in the ACU if you get the right conditions.

[barren oar]

trying to knife them is awful

[trail plinth]

YES

[karmic drum]

Which means no regular trips to the sea treaders for poop

[trail plinth]

I've put holes in my base several times trying to harvest them lmao

[barren oar]

ive tried that with stalkers and ampeels and it doesn't seem to happen

[trail plinth]

It's inconvenient enough to be a little funny imo, but hasn't really caused any real problems for me

[barren oar]

ecosystems were set up right

[errant cairn]

Define large predators

[barren oar]

idk if thats because they also provide other benefits (the ampeel very slightly does) so they dont shit to compensate

[errant cairn]

I would think like Ampeel or Stalker or Crab Squid

[worldly valve]

There are 0 benefits to moral

[trail plinth]

Iirc yeah just stalker sized and above. Not sure if crash fish count

[worldly valve]

Only harmfuls

[barren oar]

you guys got stalkers to shit?

[worldly valve]

Its a purely punishong mechanics

That sas created by spite and spite alone

[trail plinth]

This isn't relevant to what I was saying just now, and I already said I don't know if that's correct or not but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt

[trail plinth]

Disagree

[karmic drum]

So if you look on I think it's the ecoocean wiki... and I don't know where to get it... (hence why I say maybe it's unfinished) but there's tech you have to put on the acu which actually collects the waste

[trail plinth]

If you're only interested in saying "I don't like this therefore it's bad and spiteful" then that's on you, I'm not gonna engage with you further, but I hope you can chill a bit and look at this again with a more clear perspective in the future

[karmic drum]

It doesn't spawn physically in the tanks

[barren oar]

oh

i thought it was an item

like teeth

well that explains it

where tf does the shit go otherwise

[karmic drum]

I mean it is an item. But you have to pull it out of the techs inventory

[barren oar]

vaporised ?? turned into current to power the acu ??

[karmic drum]

Agreed

[barren oar]

sloshed out into the fucking ocean

[worldly valve]

Pooop trips are conventiont to do because plat

[barren oar]

must've missed the tech too since I don't remember actually having it myself

i haven't had much need to farm poop, anyhow

[worldly valve]

My basea are often broken anyeays tbh

[barren oar]

you get so, so much from just processing one trip's worth

[worldly valve]

I got little shits in my acu at one point in my first file

But they arent worth the effoet as you need 4 for 1 poop

[barren oar]

its actually insane how great [the item that gives you more bang for your poop] is

[worldly valve]

C2c dating sim

Thats all morale is

Ryler needs to secude erself

[barren oar]

❓

[worldly valve]

Well you nees to make the base prettt beforw dling anytbing else

C2c datin sim

Ryley cant explore the world until she loves herself

(Because she was taught that you need to be happy before you can worry about eating food♧

[worldly valve]

It definitely was

Reika adds mechanics out of spite all the time

She did it purpose to kill a seaglide playstyle

It doesnt really do anything else

Trapped safe areas in games

Are functionally less insidious

[trail ether]

using a bug is not "a playstyle", and calling fixing that the bug works to sidestep the intended solution "adding mechanics out of spite" is ridiculous in the extreme

as far as I am concerned you clearly have nothing to say worth hearing

go play something else

[karmic drum]

100% agreed

If you don't like the mod

Go play another one

Don't praise parts you do like, that shouldn't be there. And then violently and hostilely shit on the parts you don't like.

[unreal flame]

Any ban on “political discussion” here is just so I have a way to wave off turbochuds

And I could probably guess the person you’re talking about anyway

[karmic drum]

I don't even wanna ask what a turbochud is

I avoid politics completely for a reason 😅

[unreal flame]

Collective term for a whole number of useless, annoying people; think incels and the like

[karmic drum]

Ahhhh

Yea... I don't mess with that

[trail ether]

Omega

you might remember him

[unreal flame]

Point is I don’t really give a fuck if you do talk a little politics as long as it doesn’t get heated

[unreal flame]

Vaguely

[trail ether]

it is true that he does not have a lot of temporal overlap with you

[karmic drum]

Oh. Well trust that I won't

[trail ether]

he stormed off in late 2018 or early 2019

[unreal flame]

Oh wait he was the early early one

Yeah I kinda remember that

I was thinking bar, can’t remember what he stormed off/got kicked for

[trail ether]

he got kicked for saying he antagonizes me for "catharsis"

[worldly valve]

I dont exclusively use sqsg

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/ngCmnrX.png

[worldly valve]

What parts have i praised that shouldnt be there?

[unreal flame]

This is especially funny because at least half of my ideas pan out

[trail ether]

because yours are made in good faith, and you have a sense of good game design

[unreal flame]

Half of those ideas are shitposts

[trail ether]

(suggestions to try to trick me into catering to one's personal tastes, overriding my own design priorities, count as bad faith)

[unreal flame]

I still remember the magnetite incident that shit was hilarious

[worldly valve]

No one hqs made a single argument as to why morale is a good system

It only serves to slow down the actual gameplay

[trail ether]

that feature is still in

just adjusted to not be a lag bomb

[unreal flame]

I know

I’m more referring to being actively present for it first happening

[trail plinth]

I think I've had some successful suggestions here and there as well

[unreal flame]

I’ll admit to still wondering ||how sp**r is doing, but mostly because I feel like I could gloat about being correct on a bunch of things||

[errant cairn]

Now I'd love to know what that is

[errant cairn]

Ah. Interesting

[worldly valve]

Trick?

[errant cairn]

I've given up ssg in favor of the moth as evident by gaining morale while being in the moth just outside my grassy plateau base

[errant cairn]

Like seriously I would reach 70-90 Morale just by crossing the map

[unreal flame]

I suggested that reika make magnetic items (mostly, compressed bars of magnetite) attracted to ferrous/metal objects (resources, submarines, base pieces)

The next update resulted in consistent framerates of 1/2

[errant cairn]

That shit sounds absolutely hilarious

Wonder how my computer would handle it at its fullest

[karmic drum]

aren't produce meant to decay?

[errant cairn]

The lantern fruit did for me. Not sure abt those since they look like seeds

[karmic drum]

no. those are both full samples lol

[errant cairn]

Might be a weird thing since I also get the seed icon when harvesting potatoes

[trail plinth]

Chinese potato might be exempt since it looks like either a tuber or a nut, both of which last a while, but that's just my speculation

[errant cairn]

However, I do suggest stopping me from using it cause I will abuse it in low morale areas and even places where the Sea Voyager (i dont have it installed) cant go (also as a reference to something to avoid a spoiler)

[karmic drum]

The last time I played c2c all plant based foods decayed rather quickly

Making them more of a "base food" than anything else

[errant cairn]

I'd honestly love a way to keep plants fresh

[karmic drum]

And even then prior to morale growing them was nerfed into the dirt

[trail plinth]

I would expect that too tbh

[errant cairn]

Like some sort of fridge

Or a Vehicle upgrade that is a fridge