SeaToSea

[trail ether]

that has happened to me too

it has not been a serious enough issue to warrant much dev time

i kept it enough to never be an issue for bioproc

how often do you really use more than 12 blood oil at a time

[unreal flame]

hm, fine

[karmic drum]

So I'm guessing that I should probably just make a bunch of this and chuck it in my bioprocessor

[trail ether]

also I have decided I am going to add Spice of Life to DR

for the next update, whenever that is

[unreal flame]

world's worst food balancing mod tbh

[worldly valve]

i still cantmake nuclear

the treatment should give you a full 150

[trail ether]

case in point but why

[karmic drum]

Maybe it was just the stress of where I was diving 🤔 probably in my own head

[karmic drum]

@worldly valve am I right? I remember you telling me I needed this

[abstract knoll]

You dont need it but it helps ALOT with the more expensive/tedious recipes

[karmic drum]

I'm on hard mode. Every recipe is expensive and tedious

[barren oar]

were you not using it

[karmic drum]

At least where energy is concerned

[barren oar]

it basically makes every recipe 2x cheaper and energy efficient

[karmic drum]

In my last good run? No 😅

[unreal flame]

bad way to design "you should be more diverse with your food"

[worldly valve]

yesssss

[unreal flame]

though admittedly, no ways i've seen have been great at it

[karmic drum]

Wait. So it splits ingredient costs and cuts power?

[barren oar]

you'll see

[karmic drum]

Why the hell wasn't I using it before?!

[barren oar]

but its very very very good to have at least a sample of on hand, at all times

[worldly valve]

luminol

[unreal flame]

best cases are "foods that take more steps feed more" and "advanced foods can have special, unique effects"

[karmic drum]

And then there's some type of chip for the bp as well iirk?

[worldly valve]

it exists yes

[unreal flame]

also do you mean you're adding it to the DR minecraft pack or to SN

[karmic drum]

Oh I think I'll need a good bit of that when I get to the fcs phase of progression

[worldly valve]

it's only 6k power

[karmic drum]

Oh. My base can at least hold that much 😅

[worldly valve]

you have the purple stuff

you good

[karmic drum]

Generating 6k on the other hand.... now that's a whole other deal since it seems like bioreactors and nuclear reactors are the only actually viable power sources in this mod

[worldly valve]

i really just use 2 bios and an acu of occulus

i mean i "have" a solar panel that functions at 1%

but

[barren oar]

free 1 energy in 30 h 🔥

[karmic drum]

I need three of them just to properly support my bp 🤣

Once I installed my bioreactors. The thermal gens I had just stopped making power

Not that they were good at it before 😂

[worldly valve]

im confused by your bp having pasivve drain

[barren oar]

where do you have your base, and what distance is it from the thermals

[worldly valve]

try unmaking and makign it again

that shit sounds cray cray

[trail ether]

in a heavy modded ecosystem that cannot be done properly because any effect you can name is either useless, massively exploitable, or more likely just entirely possible to get from some non-food way, on a more persistent basis

for example SoL carrot - why do that when you can just make TiC heart canisters

[barren oar]

then just restrict tic heart containers

remove any crafting recipe for them

or make them significantly more expensive

and/or lategame

[trail ether]

you will need to cut out so much that you are pissing players off even more t han SoL would

[unreal flame]

or make them require the carrot

[karmic drum]

My base is directly above the thermal vent next to lifepod 12. The thermals aren't even 20m below the lowest base part

[barren oar]

oh yeah idk then lol

[unreal flame]

okay so we are talking MC; good

[barren oar]

is your modpack like sandbox style or more questbook or linear progression

id assume the former given your sn mods

and in that case yeah fair point

[unreal flame]

i think i've previously described the concept of 'fullness' to you?

IE preventing further eating even when the hunger bar isn't full, because your stomach is at capacity?

promoting the consumption of foods that have a balanced 'size' to 'hunger' ratio

[trail ether]

DR? heavily progression focused, but less in the "Grindy" way than eg GTNH and with more of a focus on "make the player do X or design with Y in mind" than "make the player do mod A to do mod B to do mod C to do mod D to do mod E", though there is also some of that

if that sounds familiar that is not coincidence

[barren oar]

is there also some issue with not being hungry but not being full either

at n8

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/UPgF59r.png

[unreal flame]

i'm confused

[barren oar]

uh hm how to explain it

[trail ether]

the pack started as my dev testing pack so forcing people to use my mods was always priority #1, since what good is a testing pack if people ignore my mods and play TE instead

[barren oar]

is it better to use foods that are small but are plenty satisfiable, or to use foods that are balanced only

[trail ether]

but beyond that it is very much focused around..."an experience"

[barren oar]

i see

[unreal flame]

foods that fill more hunger than 'fullness' would be rare/expensive

[trail ether]

maybe but i do not remember

[trail ether]

that does sound a little familiar

but how is that meaningfully different than reduced food fill frmo a food

[unreal flame]

it was originally in the context of a food rebalance for SN

[barren oar]

like with any other better alternative

yep

[trail ether]

ah

so clamping max food bar

and thus forcing more frequent eating

[unreal flame]

nerfing specific "easy" foods in favor of more complex foods, even if a "staple" is settled upon

[trail ether]

which in SN is a real limitation given you sometimes need to be somewhere far from a food supply

[unreal flame]

specifically if the player abuses fruits, mainly

[trail ether]

you might remember my packing the seamoth full of nutrient bars in my first playthrough in preparation for my first LR/ILZ expedition

[barren oar]

the thing is sn doesnt have much cooking either

[trail ether]

i think it was you who said that was unnecessary

and I only removed like half

[barren oar]

like. you can cook a fish. or salt it. or do the secret third thing with it which is just better than the previous two

[karmic drum]

Oh I have lol

[unreal flame]

yes that's why there's nothing about requiring 'food diversity'

[karmic drum]

Wait....

Maybe it isn't the bp

[unreal flame]

it's all about nerfing what's effortless

[trail ether]

but is a pain in the ass

[barren oar]

but you dont even have compound foodstuff like bz's salad

[karmic drum]

Maybe I hit my current overflow

[worldly valve]

is it your liqui d recharger?

[karmic drum]

I haven't made that yet

[trail ether]

while true it is more about preventing the player from completely obviating the mechanic with some simple task that is effectively "set it up once and never think about it again"

[barren oar]

||you go there with nothing but a seaglide and the rest fish and you're good for the next 30h of playtime||

[worldly valve]

wht is in your base that uses power

[trail ether]

i want the mechanic to remain consciously in play forever

[unreal flame]

this is how agriculture works IRL

[trail ether]

say that to a farmer

they will be very mad at you

[barren oar]

maybe if you have a mechanised, automated system like hydroponics

still id imagine it does take some amount of maintenance

[unreal flame]

they can cry all they want from behind the wheel of their $2m combine harvester

[abstract knoll]

oh boy i love salt

i know there is a properway

[worldly valve]

yo space

go read your

[abstract knoll]

ye?

[worldly valve]

tonguel;illies

maybe

lpook at one up close

that you planted*

[unreal flame]

regardless that was mostly a joke

[abstract knoll]

oh my lord

ill go check them now

[unreal flame]

point is, people absolutely can live their lives off of a 'eat to live' mentality (the only mentality that ought to be relevant to a survival situation) just fine

[barren oar]

would weeds you need to occasionally knife out fit within the context of making farming less op

[unreal flame]

there's no logical reason to enforce being a 'foodie', so to speak

[barren oar]

well actually how do weeds form i assume they wouldnt in the highly sanitised growbeds of sn

not in the indoor ones at least

[trail ether]

you say that but people who have been stranded for extended periods do tell stories of caring a lot about not just calories but nutrients

one famous example is people stranded at sea developing a craving for, and eating, specifically eyes out of fish

there are also lots of cases of people who have been stranded like that ending up extremely sick even with ample calories because of the same nutrient deficiency

hell even without stranding that can happen

a famous example being the "only eats chips and white bread" kid

[unreal flame]

okay sure. the human body needs a balance of salts, fats, proteins, carbs, etc

this is not going to be effectively simulated by a singular hunger stat, nor by reducing the value of repeat foods

[abstract knoll]

thank you for this

[abstract knoll]

|| does there need to be a phytoplankton cluster actively on the Tongue Lily or is it a passive effect?||

actually nvm

ill test it now

[abstract knoll]

|| ok so i cant seem to make them accumulate minerals, do i need to consider a different biome? I have checked the safe reefs, dunes, and North western Mushroom Forest||

[vocal crane]

love the game hate the performance

anyways do yall play w filmic

[barren oar]

haha yep classic c2c experience

[vocal crane]

what settings do yall play with

[barren oar]

i do mostly lowest

and water quality high i think because medium is just straight ass

[vocal crane]

yeah noticed that

[worldly valve]

i dont use filmic

[karmic drum]

My pc can run this game with no real performance issues. But I don't use filmic either because I like being able to see at night 🤣

Okay. Today we get liquid breathing setup.

[vocal crane]

wait

the mod changed what happends after u die?

i accidentally ate 10 acid mushrooms and died

that was unexpected

[barren oar]

yeah, c2c makes you reload the save completely to avoid "suicide runs"

[karmic drum]

And also to maintain file integrity. But yes, mostly to make sure you don't spam death as a mechanic. And to encourage mindful saving

[barren oar]

(that you then have to restart your game completely is because static data may be kept between saves otherwise, which really just means bad coding practice)

[karmic drum]

Do not eat any of the under water flora. They will kill you

[barren oar]

actually i dont remember c2c using static data other than for the lbs, though i havent looked through it much either

[barren oar]

file integrity?

[karmic drum]

My weird way of saying save stability

[vocal crane]

i havent played subnautica in a while so when i was transfering my mushrooms to another storage i spam m1'd

[barren oar]

yeah but what could be unstable by respwaning

[vocal crane]

and that didnt go well

[barren oar]

i'd assumed it would be something along those lines

[worldly valve]

bah

moth phased into floor

killed me

[trail ether]

unless you are using static as a kind of shorthand, with saves taking the place of object instances, there is very little to do with static objects and the issue

[barren oar]

no i do mean the c# keyword static

because then you have to take care and reset it properly when loading a save, something very easy to overlook

not to mention hard to catch because sn mods dont have any hot reload capability, so you'll restart the game on every change too

thats how it is in 2.0 with nautilus, at least - from the examples ive seen, the moddev's fault - but i dont know enough about smlhelper to say much more on the matter

[trail ether]

this makes a fundamental and incorrect assumption that your mod objects are reinitialized on save load

everything is single-fire

it is not that people are accidentally "holding over" data between cycles

it is that there only is one "cycle" and they would have to build an unload detector themselves and use it to clean up the game registry themselves

[barren oar]

public static int somevalue = 0;

class foo {
int value;
public foo() { value = somevalue++; }
}

[past geyser]

thats funny that you have another mod in another game that make the player eat a balanced meal ... customfoods3 is gonna do that soon

Smlhelper was basically like nautilus ... but the classes and patches where just old ... so nautilus got updated ones to make them better

[barren oar]

assuming two foo instances created by some physical object in a given save, and assuming there is no game restart between saves
on first load, they'll have the values 0 and 1, but on second load, 2 and 3, then 4 and 5 etc

obviously oversimplified example but the idea is clear

[past geyser]

was talking about this mod https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/the-spice-of-life that i saw

[trail ether]

it is oversimplified to the point of losing all relevance

[barren oar]

you need to take care of that value and reset it properly on save load, otherwise you get an ever increasing value that may or may not cause kssues

[trail ether]

for example what I was just saying is that there only ever is one Foo created

and it is done so on game boot

not on save load, but before the main menu is even open

[past geyser]

well reika does config loads on preloader

[trail ether]

yes but we are not talking about configs

though

[barren oar]

i see then, yes

[trail ether]

that is relevant to mention

[barren oar]

but this static instance or class must interact with the game at some point, somewhere

[trail ether]

because the reason I do that is because that is the only time you can actually do configs that affect things like game content

by the time the main menu is loaded to access the usual options menu it is too late

you would have to restart the game to apply the changes

[barren oar]

and then those values and references you need to take care of

unless its a singleton instantiated on load, which you've also said is not what you're describing here

what even are the problems that c2c and co. have when hotreloading by the way

this all ive said is pretty generic since i only know of one class that uses static more than i feel it should, the lbs

though with it stopping multitanking i guess its fair

[abstract knoll]

this mod can be incredibly frustrating at times

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-annoyed-stuck-outside-open-the-door-open-up-gif-16568613

[karmic drum]

That my finely furred friend

Is half the fun

Also pro tip. Don't go resource diving in a thermal vent

Still confused as to how I stripped the jellyshroom caves of all it's individual magnetite pieces

All that's left according to my scanner rooms are the drillable deposits

And I don't have the prawn or the drill arm yet

I do absolutely love how the prawn and it's arms are scattered across the entire map

And that's not a joke. Or a meme

Getting it is gonna feel way better than finishing like 3 wrecks plus the aurora

[abstract knoll]

oh no there is quite literally a door i am banging my head against trying to figure out how to open it

[worldly valve]

my habitat builder wants to build mega sized rooms lololo

[worldly valve]

wat

i thought my 3 rows of bars was a lot but that wasnt all lolol

[worldly valve]

hmmm

[worldly valve]

have you noticed something a beird weird about the prawn suit fargs?

[abstract knoll]

oh lord he comin

[worldly valve]

i dont like the spot i managed to get a room a sit..too close to the lag causing spot

oh well i need a save point

[karmic drum]

do you mean the full suit fragments and arm suit fragments having two different counts?

[worldly valve]

yeah theres 2 types of prawn suit drags

a 1/20 count and a 1/4 count

depending on size of the frag

its neat

you must have a shit ton of magnetite tho

unless you somehow ran out...

[abstract knoll]

oh yea i unlocked the prawn btw

[worldly valve]

but like there is so much in that cave

thers other areas foit

wat

how

[abstract knoll]

|| aurora ||

[worldly valve]

oh you got hardsuit

[abstract knoll]

yea

i gambled

[worldly valve]

i guess i knew you were doing the one thing

i still need to finish my muel

it just costs so much

and i been doing river shit

[abstract knoll]

still i cant figure out how the hell i need to get the || tonguelilys to filter ||

ive also encountered a new roadblock || at the captains door ||

[karmic drum]

Eh. I think my scanner was just being odd and I was being a bit blind. But yeah there are other spaces. And I can always dismantle the thermals at my bp center. Since they don't seem to be working for shit

[worldly valve]

soo i think the thermals likely act as their own room in a sense

so i bet they do do shit

its juyst they hit 250 power cap

and boom

no more flow

not 100% on that

but it seems to be how my bios rooms work

the one without banks was the one that broketill i balanced it all

[karmic drum]

Yea. That for me is not doing anything of value. So I can just take them all apart. Unless putting a liquid breathing recharger spikes the power usage enough for them to start pushing power into the system again

[worldly valve]

yea if im right its kinda poopy

makes em okay for a scanning outpost

so void heres a fun fact that might make you sad

in my firts run foreever ago

you could get a early nuclear power reactor with the 2 free lasteel

and the free reactor rod

and it usuallt funded my first batch of bio reacting

[abstract knoll]

man

is this hard core mode?

because 1 bioreactor and a couple battery banks have been plenty power for me

[karmic drum]

Eh. I don't mind the grind all that much

[worldly valve]

hard8

not hardcore

[abstract knoll]

ah

[karmic drum]

One thing I will ask. Is do you recommend doing a large amount of surface level resource farming before transitioning to liquid breathing?

It seems like farming might be a little more tedious overall after making the switch

[abstract knoll]

is the liquid breathing fluid much more expensive in hard?

[karmic drum]

Not more expensive. But your tank has a slightly reduced reserve capacity I think

Doesn't matter a ton though since the breathing fluid itself still produces the same amount

[abstract knoll]

ah

[worldly valve]

i stay above 500m as much as possible, but if you bring enought efficiency, and liquid down below its not so bad

it can be good to grab few specifuc things below 500m then switch back up for a bit

theres a few ways to go about it really

[karmic drum]

Wait... we can get off lq after getting on it?

[worldly valve]

mmm

no

[karmic drum]

I assumed I was just bound to the lq once ok

That's what I thought

[worldly valve]

do you mean take air below 500 and then swiotch to liquid for more tim?

[karmic drum]

It's a permanent transition

[worldly valve]

time?

[karmic drum]

No

[worldly valve]

i dont advise that

[karmic drum]

I meant literally just being able to swap back to regular o2. Without dying

[worldly valve]

Yeah tou die basically righr away

Tho you have enoigh time to eat lol

a crap that was a bad scannign room placement...oh well ill move it

[karmic drum]

Yea. That's why in my mind I should just farm a bunch of raw metals and shit now. Since otherwise it's gonna be way more tedious before I get my prawn

[worldly valve]

you mentioned drillable deposits

HMMMMMMM

[karmic drum]

Yea. That's just what my scanner room was picking up for mag. But i've only found 5/20 and 3/4 prawn fragments so far. And I'm like 80% sure the 4 fragment threshold won't actually unlock the bp

[worldly valve]

my hint to you is

HMMMM

(i can give a better hint if youd like but you usually efer me to be hush hush)

i just discovered anohter thing that goes in my fab room

[abstract knoll]

so does specializing rooms acutall have an effect?

[karmic drum]

Naw. I'm good

Oh

Wrong reply

[karmic drum]

That was meant for @worldly valve

[abstract knoll]

ah

[abstract knoll]

I DID IT

I FOUND THE CANISTER

and my lord is it powerful

[karmic drum]

What the hell are you on about?

[abstract knoll]

|| I found the Khara Symptom Alleviation Canister ||

[abstract knoll]

this guy

[karmic drum]

Ah. No clue what that is

[abstract knoll]

ah

wont spoil it then

[karmic drum]

Dope.

I just had a rather unusual session. For me anyways. Normally I'm tunnel visioned as all fuck. But today I just spent like... an hour collecting sandstone deposits. And then logged off. Instead of falling into the slip stream of "making progress"

Might honestly be what I do for a while.

Just farm some metals and refine some bioprocessor materials in excess instead of just rushing to my next big point

[worldly valve]

ive been considering that a bit

i recent;ly havenoticed my lockers are lacking in metals

i still have titanium and magnetite a good amount

but eveyrhting else is getting low

[karmic drum]

I just get addiction rushes from hitting progression points. And was really tired of always having to leave my bases to harvest silver every time I need it

[karmic drum]

ok. one spoilerish question. is it a powercell?

[barren oar]

no

[karmic drum]

Oki. Cool

[worldly valve]

||void much spoopier now, even with the module. The ghostis seems to attack much much faster. I even got attacked while collecting planktpn in the void, never had that happen before. Once the three have you in sight its hard to survive ||

[barren oar]

||how the fuck did you manage to need to grind plankton||

||i dont remember running out pre-alz once||

||i say that because i havent progressed to the alz and onwards maybe theres a recipe im unaware of that takes like 3860138.2 plankton to make||

[karmic drum]

@worldly valve @barren oar I wasn't out of individual pieces of magnitite in the jellyshroom caves. I just farmed so much of what my safe shallows scanner room could see. That it isn't worth using anymore

[barren oar]

you were mooching off your shallows scanner?

i just built one where i assumed it was the center of the biome roughly before i installed the map mod

same scanner ended up leading me to the ||seamoth mk1 depth module|| hint... long after needing it, because you get it ||when you pick up the random ass pda on the ground that you cant see from the base||

though i ended up running out of pickupable pieces at some point too and had to resort to drilling, but theres only like 5 drillable magnetites there from what ive found

[karmic drum]

For a while yea. Ig I've bleed that biome and part of the surrounding biomes dry on 80% of all mineral resources

[barren oar]

i dont even think i had a main base scanner for a while, myself

only had them in outposts scattered throughout

made one when i could make the 90 Second Dissipating Material QOL Scanner Room Upgrade

[karmic drum]

I mean all my bases/outpost have max range scanner rooms. I'm just a lazy bum who farmed everything he could as close to his main base as he could

[barren oar]

range takes magnetite right that's expensive

i think i'd usually roll with like 3/1 range/speed

or 2/2 point being not full range because that adds up quick and magnetite is scarce as-is

[worldly valve]

I find it colect a bit slower than it used to, not sure why

Normally my fiest plabkton collectiob i get a fulk inventory+ a full scoop

But i think i onoy got 3/4 of a scoop

[barren oar]

i cant remember if magnetite is renewable post-prawnsuit but i think it is

[karmic drum]

Yes they do. And I'm sure that'll bite me in the ass if I somehow actually run out before I find my prawn fragments 😂

[worldly valve]

Its not tjat scarce a resourxe

[barren oar]

might be in the ilz though "< im not too certain

[worldly valve]

I still had over 2 rows of bars

[barren oar]

huh what

you get like

5

per cloud

until it disappears completely

no?

[worldly valve]

Unsure

Maybe i should habe stayed more still

[barren oar]

oh i thought you were saying like

you get 3/4 of the total storage

per cloud

[worldly valve]

Ohhh no no

[barren oar]

filled with planker

[worldly valve]

I gave up collecting after i got to about 3/4 full storage in my scoop

[karmic drum]

Also @barren oar I figured out your hint on the out crops yesterday. I think I did anyway. But since I don't have the tether yet I'm gonna leave that alone

[worldly valve]

I was impatient, that alone took like 30+ mins

[barren oar]

my what

[worldly valve]

It was my hint i think

[karmic drum]

Or was that someone else.

[karmic drum]

Oh

My bad

[worldly valve]

No worries

[karmic drum]

It was I think

I mix you two up for some dumb reason 💀

[barren oar]

yeah mustve been lol i try not to hint because im horrible and terrible at it

always ends up too vague or too concrete

[karmic drum]

But yea. No tether, no use in that hint

Granted I could go get it rn....

I know where it is

But I think I'll hold out for the moment

And put an observation/scanning post on the floating islands

[barren oar]

scanner on the floating island is pretty much useless

[karmic drum]

I'm too lazy to find that one wreck myself

[barren oar]

well its great for collecting the vanilla pda if you dont know its located in fuckall, nowhere on the other side of where you come from (me)

[barren oar]

wrekc?

[karmic drum]

||the liquid tank wreck||

[barren oar]

is there a wreck on the floating island

[karmic drum]

No no

[barren oar]

oh the underwater floating islands

my bad

[karmic drum]

Not the floating island

Yea the under water ones

So I'll probably build it, get all the critical loot I need, and then move it somewhere else

I'm also probably gonna take apart my wreck in the crash zone

It keeps getting damaged

||and the only thing I can see from where it is of value. Even with 3 range upgrades. Is lifepod 10||

[barren oar]

crash zone is generally a bit lacking yes

though there is another point of interest besides that and the || sanctuary||

well and besides the big fucking ship you see all the time too

unnnsuree if you can scan for it though

but its very easy to find regardless

[karmic drum]

Yea. I figured it was going to be pretty short on progression loot. Same with the dunes for the most part. Lots of valuable raw materials in the dunes though

[barren oar]

oh so you know of it already

yeah its nice but nothing substantial

[barren oar]

oh yeah i should actually see if you can still cheese that location

shouldve been patched out like a month ago or so but i didnt try it since

given the changes i've seen in the repo i dont see why you couldn't...

[karmic drum]

I'm not gonna cheese it this time. Last time was an accident

Also man. Much as I'd love to say that I can throw a bunch of bases down and find it easy....

I feel like some of prawn suit fragments are gonna be sub 500m

[barren oar]

i doubt you're getting the prawn suit this early in all honesty

[karmic drum]

Down deep in the kelp trenches and the upper layers of the lr

[karmic drum]

I tend to forget how early I am lol

[barren oar]

in vanilla you can't get it off the arms at all (there literally are not enough on the map) and the suits are uh

Out Of Your Reach Currently?

you couldnt craft it regardless lol

[karmic drum]

Well yea. But half the aurora isn't normally locked behind the hard suit lol

[barren oar]

oh rip i just noticed i'd deleted my main save some time ago

i was going to restart anyway in a year or two assuming c2c still gets updated by then

[karmic drum]

I imagine it will be

[barren oar]

i forgot just how fucking slow loading into a save in legacy is

not even loading actually just making a new one

[karmic drum]

Oh yea. It takes a minute 😅

[barren oar]

which you'd think would be the lightest it could possibly be because it's the default state? with no player made changes?

[karmic drum]

I'd have no clue lol

[barren oar]

out of the 3 attempts i've had to make a new save, 2 of them ended up crashing - seems it starts at line 10228, though it only really references a bunch of dlls and a stack trace at 10363, which c2c is mentioned in for the record

i will hold off on a ping until i can figure out if the cheese was patched out definitely or not - previous attempt seemed to indicate it hasnt?

...somehow managed to get 101 hp? with a normal aid kit from ~85 hp or so (what you start with)?

[karmic drum]

Well that's wacky 😆

But it'll iron itself out

[worldly valve]

Crash zone cheese?

I cheesed it with my cheesiest method yet

It also was the lowest effoet

[barren oar]

(c2c POI spoilers) yo @trail ether theres a log above and also you can still ||cheese the crash zone lifepod databox by cowering nearby the lifepod, because it seems it can't get you there (but other stuff like bonesharks apparently can, and i didnt show it but i was immediately eaten by the reaper after going away from the lifepod)||
edit ||stasis rifle adds physics to lifepod 10 maybe it shouldnt lol||

[worldly valve]

And the most obvious solution

[barren oar]

also is this guy just bigger than the others it feels significantly bigger

[worldly valve]

He is yeah

The 2 boys there are fat

But making a thingy there

Is basically like making a shark cage

Its the reverge to ark traps

[round vessel]

big boy not killing you when on the ground is a bug?

[barren oar]

i highly doubt its the intended solution, at least

[worldly valve]

Its not, but tbh its more obvious than a stasis rifle lol

Youd need to sttop crrrafting being able to be doneeee there

Whoch would be really weird

[round vessel]

If i cant see him he cant see me

[barren oar]

feels way too simple and there isnt any sort of indicator you're doing it right like it is when you're hiding in the kelp

[barren oar]

that

makes sense

as a solution actually

i was thinking just decoys or flares

didnt test whether they work on reapers but i dont see why not

it'd give them a single real use at least

[round vessel]

most of the time when i do that he doesnt spot me and just screams at other things around

[barren oar]

actually decoys i dont think you can hand deploy

nor make before the cyclops ?

[karmic drum]

You can hand deploy and make them before the cyclops

[barren oar]

huh

[karmic drum]

They're stupid early tech, stupid cheap, and craft in sets of three

[barren oar]

is that not flares

[karmic drum]

You literally the get the bp at lifepod 4. Just off the safe side of the aurora

[karmic drum]

Decoys too

[barren oar]

oh flares are in 5

and unlocked at the start hence superior(?)

but its really a matter of last place vs second-to-last place

[karmic drum]

No flares only effect creatures which are photo sensitive

[barren oar]

huh

[karmic drum]

Reapers respond audio calls

[barren oar]

"certain" predators i see

[karmic drum]

And the pda at lifpod 4 literally mentions using flares to distract the reaper at the front

Long enough for it's survivor long to attempt to reach the aurora

[barren oar]

yeah im a discord user i dont read lol

i dont think ive ever seen a worthwhile usage of decoys or flares uptil now

though hold on reapers can still see, and they're pretty sensitive to light too

flares should still work then yes?

nope my guy does not give a shit about flares

holy shit what you need to fight for the ||databox repair||

2 steps forward 1 step back type shit

how the fuck are you supposed to ?? stasis or decoy ?? in this time ?? it goes down like 3 hp a second left unchecked

or maybe 2 regardless its very fucking fast is the point

[worldly valve]

H8ding in the kelp?

[worldly valve]

Decoyw are how i thought lifepod 15 was meant to be done way back lol

[worldly valve]

You can kinda hand deploy

More like i ventory

[worldly valve]

Hoding from the reapers at mk 3 pd?

[worldly valve]

Thsre are 3 now, they are fat now like the ghosties, and mega aggro

[barren oar]

im not too sure how it works but i think it does give you some sort of stealth bonus

else why would the overlay exist

[worldly valve]

Ive never used flares as distractions tbh. I find them too light to be useful as a light source. Decoys i know buy a bit of tine, unsure how much flares do

I guess im just confused, because while the forsest is close by

[barren oar]

oh hah the statis rifle adds physics to ||lifepod 10 ||

[worldly valve]

It just seems a bit far to hide in

So i havent tried it, i meant to actually but forgot

I wanted to see if i habe another solution for lifepod 15

Now that solution is rather stupid but i think it wouod work

[barren oar]

wouldnt since you can only hide in the thick, upper part

[worldly valve]

What if you....azurite repulsion cannoned it back to crash zone🥲

[barren oar]

you can't grow the creepvine in such a way that the thick part covers you when you're down there trying to ||fix the databox||

[worldly valve]

Azure repulsion works well on the ghosties too

So you could create this silly little tower defense/juggling mini game as you try to avoud the databank falling into oblivious

Oblivion

[barren oar]

it doesnt add it to the databox i think

the lifepod solely

which also doesnt have anything relevant its fine

[worldly valve]

Ojjj i understand what you mean

[worldly valve]

I was talking 15 for my silly idea lol

[barren oar]

is that the ||funny void lifepor||

[worldly valve]

Yeah

[barren oar]

genuienly you might be able to just like

Build A Base Around It

for that one

[worldly valve]

I dont think so

Tho i havent tried

But i didnt think close enough to ground

You cant build in the spikes

[barren oar]

Just Construct A Long Base From The Nearest Biome

[worldly valve]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

I mean it would work

[barren oar]

400m horizontal line or however long it is

[worldly valve]

Roughly

But thats a lot of work lolol

[barren oar]

bonus points if you do it above water too since no pressure penalty

[worldly valve]

(Not like my repulsipn cannon tower defense/data juggling is easy)

[barren oar]

holy shit wait thats actually a great idea in hindsight

above water so no pressure for most of it and titanium is free

& renewable

[worldly valve]

Then unbuild after

[barren oar]

or you can leave it and have a convenient path towards the other POI in that area

though maintaining two seamoths is kinda ass so that'd be worse overall

mostly just leave it constructed for the fun of it

[worldly valve]

Why would you need 2 moths?

[abstract knoll]

one for there

one for in the crater

but uh

i dont think it would work

because || there is a teleport trigger witch teleports you to biome, which im pretty sure is under the map||

if this map is any indication

[barren oar]

yeah that simply because i think you are slightly faster walking than piloting

[barren oar]

||which is why you construct the moonpool right above the entrance on the water surface, so you can quickly enter it from the pool or exit into the pool||

[abstract knoll]

true

[karmic drum]

You lot are gonna get so much shit for this later

Like seriously I could not be the dev for this mod. For a Day

Every time she tries to build a puzzling but creative way to do something. Yall just whip out some dumbass cheese and completely bypass the effort 😭

[worldly valve]

I mean the tunnel into the void is more just an idea😂

I think it sounda like a nightmare

Istill dont get the needs for 2 moths thk

Tho

I am interested in seeing how the teleporter works if its done

[worldly valve]

Tbh im surprised reika disnt considering building a room by || mk 3||

Tho i think tbh mk 3 was really easy to get before

The reason i didnt have a strat before is that

I just moved behind the life pod

Slowly

[trail ether]

not sure if i can fix this

[errant cairn]

haha yes, the counter to every reaper, tiny rock

[trail ether]

bases near the ||void spikes|| are something i thought of long ago

I completely block all building anywhere near and any base inside...is going to find itself a target

[errant cairn]

ah

[trail ether]

unrelated https://i.imgur.com/1U7VG07.jpeg

default keybind is PGUP

[errant cairn]

to see this cool thing?

is it a setting?

[trail ether]

??

with C2C the repulsion gun is no longer craftable, and is instead a free swap with the prop gun

this is because you need both in a playthrough

[errant cairn]

ahhhh okay

[trail ether]

and swapping back and forth with a recipe, which was the previous impl, was being abused for battery farming

[errant cairn]

does it finally trade the ||azurite|| battery to the other one

[errant cairn]

normal batterys

yes

[trail ether]

with a certain someone unapologetically saying it was what they were using to make all the powercells they needed

[trail ether]

it transfers the battery to the new tool

[errant cairn]

POG

very nice tysm

[trail ether]

for all intents and purposes it is as if the swap is a mode switch rather than a totally new item

[errant cairn]

i dont have to take my ||azurite|| battery out of the prop cannon

[errant cairn]

oh interesting

i might update C2C and play ngl

[trail ether]

the only possible downside is if some other mod is adding persistent data to the gun

that will be lost

[errant cairn]

but i have things to do sadly

[trail ether]

this has not been released yet and will not be for several days

at minimum

[errant cairn]

awww. womp womp

[errant cairn]

awww

good thing i have 30 other things to play!

[karmic drum]

This is exactly what I was talking about... I could not handle people going out of their way to exploit something I poured my blood sweat and tears into. And then gloating about it 💀

[trail ether]

why do you think my remediations are punitive

[karmic drum]

Oh I wasn't meaning to question that 😅

I just find the behavior of some people disgusting

[trail ether]

so do I

[karmic drum]

Well I'm glad we agree on that

[unreal flame]

I usually try to report something before I exploit it in most games

[trail ether]

and yet I think you are aware I seem to be surrounded by people who not only exploit any oversight the moment they discover it, but actively try to hide its existence from me so as to prevent me fixing it

you know several people who proudly proclaim that

[unreal flame]

yes i know

[trail ether]

that is one of the main contributing factors to why I do not speak with any of them anymore

...though having said that I realize that I cannot be so sure of that, but the reason I cannot be so sure is that there are so many factors it is hard to point to a single one as major

[unreal flame]

i'd call that a poor reason on its own, though

[trail ether]

it is highly indicative of a "fuck you" attitude

[unreal flame]

they do all still care, in some way

okay maybe not all

[trail ether]

I find that very difficult to believe

especially for a positive meaning of "care"

their behavior is wholly inconsistent with that

[karmic drum]

In my honest opinion. If you're using a beta version of a mod. And you directly go out of your way to not report exploits, (this goes for regular mods too) you are the asshole.

[unreal flame]

people can act in antithesis to their interests, particularly if a relationship is strained enough

[karmic drum]

Same case for complaining about an update not being save safe. And having to restart... if that's what the dev had to do push out the content. Then you as the player need to respect that. And look back on the conscious decsion that you made to play the unfinished mod... if you want to play that new content

[trail ether]

a sufficiently strained relationship is not typically described as a positive one, and moreover there is a threshold of severity or obviousness that behavior ceases to be credibly anything but open hostility because they like to shit on you

[karmic drum]

In other words... that claim is horsehit nate

[unreal flame]

it is certainly easier to destroy than it is to build

[unreal flame]

you're missing a good chunk of context

about... 90% of it, perhaps more

[trail ether]

yes

[karmic drum]

I know I am. But my statement was an opinion

[trail ether]

however it is also rather off-topic for this server, though with this being your server you can say whether that is an issue or not

[karmic drum]

And heresay at best

[unreal flame]

we can talk more elsewhere if you like, but yes

[karmic drum]

I'm perfectly removable. But I do see that I overstepped

And apologize

[unreal flame]

no need to

[trail ether]

also I want to point out

[karmic drum]

I felt I did. I didn't want to repeat my previous behavior which caused others to step in.

[trail ether]

"I am only an abusive asshole who is always nagging you and criticizing everything you do and holding you to standards I do not hold anyone else to because I care"...well I know several people like that IRL

and none of them could remotely be characterized as good or even tolerable people

even if they might actually genuinely care

(of course they never actually admit they are being abusive, but you know what I mean)

[unreal flame]

we both know none of the people we're talking about are truly like that.

[trail ether]

frankly no

well yes but not in the way you are saying

more in a "I disagree with you ideologically so as far as I am concerned you are an acceptable target not deserving of fair treatment" sense

[worldly valve]

Yeah i know i couldnt build in the void spikes at all. I qas curious what the game would do if i nrought rhe long nose base close enough, but its probably a boring answer like"red now"

[trail ether]

yes

that is exactly what happens

[worldly valve]

I wish i knew how to buikd a base in the void to know what yih mean haahaha

[worldly valve]

Eyyyyy for once it wasnt me gaia

I still nees to go knife a reaper

Find out what happens

[solar vortex]

||blood kelp base still gone ! ! !||

||it was there before i updated/ move a bunch of files around||

||notably i had to redownload c2c because some of the mods broke for some reason. but i did redownload them all so||

[worldly valve]

Um

Whole lotta idk

But you were movin shit around?

Could try dumping log

[worldly valve]

i think it's just hard to required a stun mechanic for a challenge in games

the fact that subnautica at it's core is an open world survival

[abstract knoll]

sorry

[trail ether]

that means little to me and honestly even if you deleted every powercell you made this way the fact is it probably springboarded you in progression, tainting the entire save

[abstract knoll]

it saved me from spending about an hour collecting mushrooms and producing acid

[worldly valve]

Now ill admit im about to ask a super unfair question but

Reika or void, have either of you played ark on base settings🤪

I once had that thought

"I dont know about altering srttings guys, i think i want my first llaythrough to be on vanilla settings"

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/Rhnej3Q.jpeg

0h0m playtime

never ever installed

it is unlikely I would like it anyway

[barren oar]

holy shit nice

the times I've needed one and realised too late, making me have to do the trip back to convert it...

this does work if you have a full inventory yes

its the difference between giving the new item first then removing the old item second, and removing the old item first then giving the new item second

though i guess in sn most item pickups will just put it in the queue so you wont lose anything even if the approach is the former

[past geyser]

Ark is annoying

[abstract knoll]

yeaaaaaa

is there an intended PDA entry for || glass coral ||?

if so it just didnt unlock when i scanned the required number of fragments

||composite glass unlocked|| but i never got any PDA entry pointing towards || Obsidian ||

[barren oar]

you get the latter elsewhere

[abstract knoll]

ah]

[barren oar]

Have Fun :)

[abstract knoll]

so is there a PDA entry or ?

[barren oar]

No 😊

[abstract knoll]

none for ||glass coral||?

[barren oar]

er wait you mean for that

[abstract knoll]

yea

[barren oar]

i think i remember one actually? Vaguely

[abstract knoll]

i cant scan anymore "Fragments" so to speak and i have no pda entry

[barren oar]

i guess not since i cant find much in the repo

[abstract knoll]

ah ok

[barren oar]

but i remember something along the lines of ||it being a descendant of floaters||, or something?

i say just dont worry about it for now loo

[abstract knoll]

aight

[karmic drum]

||went from barely being able to use my bioprocessor yesterday to producing benzene in a small bulk. Metabolic gel for the win||

[barren oar]

yep its goated

always rush it on a new save it helps tremendously

[karmic drum]

For real. Tomorrow I'm gonna set up spaced auto farmers for the three plants used in the fabrication of lysing enzymes and liquid breathing fluid. And also go ahead and put an external plankton feeder on my grand reef base

It's right next to an alien vent that has a higher than average amount of peepers around it. So my logic is more regular peepers in, my enzyme peepers out, more anti debuff fluid for me.

[karmic drum]

After that the only things I'll need to harvest for the enzymes are poop, salt, plankton obv, and gas pods. But I'm pretty sure I can get poop, salt and gas pods all produced at my base. Not 100% on the gas pods. But 100% on the poop and salt

I should've rushed the gel waayyyyyyy sooner though

Would've saved me hours when crafting all those power cells

actually maybe not just then. Because I didn't have the infrastructure to actually run my bp or the in home bulk resources to mass produce enzymes

But if I ever wanna expand my power again. It's gonna be so much easier next time

[worldly valve]

I dont thino gas pods will work

[worldly valve]

This still kicks in but you also still woulds saved thousands of power

[barren oar]

its just that you cant produce them in an ACU right

so just trap the gasopod someplace that isnt an acu

[karmic drum]

That's what I was thinking. But honestly with chlorine production rates, the multiplier on bleach, and all the water I can make from that? It doesn't matter. I can bulk stock on them once and not need to worry for a while

Gonna make a second seamoth with nothing but storage mods. And the express purpose of going to the safe shallows to collect things like gas pods and table coral in bulk

[worldly valve]

Yeah

Its also a pretrt quick grab on stuff

Platinum tho man

[karmic drum]

I'm loving how much power I'm saving rn

[worldly valve]

Its half the reason i dont bother with poop autonation because its such a pain to bulj get plat

[barren oar]

yeah that kinda sucks

especially since ||the sea traders do literally migrate||

so you're farther and farther from whatever outpost you've constructed to scan for them

...not that it's terribly helpful anyway since it usually doesnt pick them up by the time you can already see them

and well you're really only going to have trouble by the time you have the prawn suit at which point you're invincible anyway

[karmic drum]

I mean you really just have to know their migration spots. And make sure you're making fairly regualr trips out there

[barren oar]

they travel the entire biome do they not

[karmic drum]

They do. But that doesn't mean they don't still have a rotation schedule. There's always platinum somewhere along the route

[barren oar]

oh yeah platinum you can always find if you find where they are

[karmic drum]

The other thing with poop is that you can just so much digestive fluid from one piece

[barren oar]

its just that there's none where they were previously both because of the stalkers nearby and because they're too far away for anything to generate there

[karmic drum]

With the gel ofc

And the fact that even the gel being made benefits from it's own bonus is nuts

[trail ether]

it converts so why would it not

[barren oar]

oh is there a conversion function

i thought you just removed propulsion and added repulsion

or the other way around

[trail ether]

that is what it is

[barren oar]

apparently ghost leviathans can hurt bases

i didnt know they could thats fun

oh wait it might be the bubbles

[worldly valve]

oh they definitely like to eat bases

om nom nom titaniumn

[barren oar]

(c2c poi spoiler) holy shit what unintended behaviour

maybe there should be a build blocking trigger around here

though it is kinda fun to see the base wobbling like that

oh i have an idea how to reset the ghosties

gg observatory never fails

now how the fuck am i going to construct a cage when 3 of them spawn at once...

i underestimated just how much of a challenge this would be

not because of resources (nocost) but because of the fucking lag whenever you add one piece

[worldly valve]

lolol

[barren oar]

though this is definitely doable in vanilla

observatory carries fr

holy shit there's so many chomps

this might be bullying atp

[trail ether]

ecocean adds base attacks

though few species do it unprompted

[trail ether]

hah

[barren oar]

is one of said species one of the de-extinction fish

[trail ether]

yes

[barren oar]

because ive built a base nearby one of them in the bulb zone at some point and it kept getting damaged & flooded

it was structurally sound, as far as the single number that denotes it goes

well there were like 3 or 4 of them

in the same area

i dont remember exactly which though -- twisteel?

haha the bubbles get stuck on the base

[trail ether]

done

250m exclusion zone

[barren oar]

im beginning to think they dont attack me because ive accidentally activated super seaglide

even though they spawn and seem to charge at me but then they stop ? nearby?

invisible cheat is turned off thats not it

but does super seaglide even cause that

[worldly valve]

no they still wanna eat u

[barren oar]

nice

[barren oar]

(c2c poi spoiler) yeah this must be intended

only took about an hour of building only, wouldve taken more at real time speed because i used speed 2 or 3 when constructing the initial corridor

it does look cool as hell though

yo reika you added a build block but does it also block oxygen pipes from being placed

because those are solid too

[trail ether]

I doubti t

[barren oar]

does the base attached stasis reach 125m i assume it doesnt

unfortunately theres not much else you can freeplace in water aside from bases

maybe the scanner room shouldnt have free cameras builtin when you make it, or ||the rock crusher shouldnt uncraft them|| because they're just free resource generation currently lol

also you can save inside of a flooded base

[sterile cobalt]

i have no clue if C2C is gonna be updated for the 2025 patch but in maybe if the devs plan to for a future update on nautilus...

[barren oar]

there are plans to eventually update it, after nautilus releases a stable version

[vocal crane]

i just

saw a meteor

but i lost where it crashed

[barren oar]

damn rip

[vocal crane]

does it look like a ctual meteor

[barren oar]

dont forget to save scum next time?

[barren oar]

no

[vocal crane]

or is it like

just deposits

[barren oar]

it is but one object that spawns where it lands, and disappears shortly after

[vocal crane]

f

[barren oar]

one object that is crucial to progression, unfortunately

[vocal crane]

because i saw a silver deposit in a odd place

in a kelp forest

[barren oar]

like floating?

[vocal crane]

dang

[vocal crane]

nah

on the ground

[barren oar]

oh silver as in the item not sandstone

[vocal crane]

ye

i mean

as a deposit

[barren oar]

i was thinking of deposit as in the item salt deposit, is that not what you're also saying

do you mean the drillable silver

[vocal crane]

im not quite sure what the name is for those type s of ores

but like

wait lemme get a pic

these bad boys

[barren oar]

yeah that

weird place for sure

cant say ive seen it myself

oh it is called a deposit

(wiki)

[vocal crane]

oh it is

lol

something is very calming just swimming without a seaglide in a long kelp forest

[barren oar]

and salt deposit is the name of the pickupable salt

so the drillable is large salt deposit

good naming scheme

[vocal crane]

also is there any mod to fix uhh

fishes going through the ground

[barren oar]

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/1140?tab=description ?

despite its name it has a legacy version

[vocal crane]

might have to install this

but the performance

😠

[barren oar]

solid terrain or above 12 fps take your pick

though you may find even "above 12 fps" is inaccurate when it comes to c2c

depending on what you do in your save

[vocal crane]

dang

[karmic drum]

I swear those always look like they crash in the void 😭

I know they don't

But that's what it looks like

[barren oar]

what perspective does to a mf

subnautica's map always feels smaller than it really is

[karmic drum]

Then again. I also spend most of my time in the center of the map. So it's no wonder they always look so damn far off

[barren oar]

its a good 2km across on both directions but it does feel like its pretty cramped when you actually play it

probably due to its fov since it tends to make things look smaller than they are

[karmic drum]

I know the map size. I was just implying that the debris themselves are more likely to fall further out towards the edge of the map then they are to fall in "safer areas"

[barren oar]

oh i was going off of how they look smaller (hence, further) than they are

you can be right under one and it looks like its about the size of a cave crawler even though i assume its not

[karmic drum]

Yea. There's that too

[barren oar]

not that those pricks arent up to your ankles too...

[karmic drum]

I'm not gonna rush that funny little interaction though. Just gonna focus on maximizing the production effiency of my liquid breathing fluid

[barren oar]

personally i think the earlier you can farm them without save scumming, the better

[karmic drum]

I honestly haven't even found the detection module this save

[barren oar]

since you're going to hit a Wall Of Waiting A Good Few Hours otherwise

[karmic drum]

I forgot where it was 😅

[barren oar]

as always, fill out the checklist (biome findings)

[karmic drum]

I will. But rn my adhd is high on actually being able to use something that stumped the ever living fuck out of me last run

[barren oar]

hm? whats that

[karmic drum]

The bioprocessor and liquid breathing. Last time I didn't use the metabolic gel. Or know where a good sourcr of enzyme peeper was

[barren oar]

ah

[karmic drum]

Now I know how to produce everything I need in spades

[barren oar]

life good

[karmic drum]

Also. Here's a question. Is electrolytes just in a data box I'm missing? Or is there another piece to that puzzle? Cause I really want my swim charge fins 😭

[karmic drum]

It is gonna be good though. At the small cost of having a greater reliance on my seamoth. This is going to really increase my exploration capabilities

[barren oar]

using a vehicle is always superior because vehicle damage is cheaper than player damage

[barren oar]

it is a recipe you will obtain when you find the appropriate ingredient

[trail ether]

sometimes they do https://i.imgur.com/7qcnXYt.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/RuGoIF3.jpeg

[barren oar]

Oh

That

why?

[trail ether]

you can make them

[barren oar]

why would you practically force using the seamoth when its probably not going to be fast enough to reach it

[trail ether]

it is not soemthing I do

it is something that happens

they come down with a random position and a random trajectory

there is some code to avoid landing on the islands or the aurora

[barren oar]

oh eugh

[karmic drum]

Oh. I'm using them now 😅

[trail ether]

but the void is too irregular

[karmic drum]

That's what I was saying

[trail ether]

and that prevention is imperfect too

predicted landing areas are never 100% accurate

[barren oar]

maybe it should instead pick the landing spot somewhere in like [-1.7km, 1.7km] for both axis and spawn the meteor based on that + random direction

[trail ether]

half of that is void

[barren oar]

or like while the landing spot is in the void move it towards the center

[trail ether]

^

[barren oar]

Right. 2 km across, not 4 km

[trail ether]

the map is roughly square but it has large areas that would be blocked

[barren oar]

my bad i wasnt thinking fully

[barren oar]

could still do this though

[trail ether]

there is no defined "landing spot"

that is not how it works

[barren oar]

preferably async because a few extra frames of delay wont hurtM

[trail ether]

it spawns at 1000m up and uses physics

it predicts the landing spot but it is not perfect

[barren oar]

i mean if you were to pivot to choosing the landing spot, then a travdl direction, then using the inverse of the direction to find where it spawns (+ some vertical offset so its at 1000m high up)

that would give you a perfectly accurate landing position, no?

actually what prevents you from just taking the velocity, normalising it and multiplying by... Whatever value so it points to the surface

[trail ether]

no because using physics inherently introduces some variability

[trail ether]

that is what it does

[barren oar]

so just dont ❓

[trail ether]

but lateral velocity varies

[barren oar]

you already have a direction. Why not just move it by that constant direction per second

[trail ether]

because that does not look remotely convincing

[barren oar]

does it not?

i never saw it as anything else than a straight line down (diagonally, i guess), anyhow

[karmic drum]

I see them tilt

It's a weird matter of perspective

But I see them tilt

[barren oar]

Wack

[karmic drum]

I wonder how much one of those mods that adds extra water to the game would fuck with c2c's progression

Actually. It would hypothetically make it completely impossible

That's a random funny thought

[barren oar]

as long as you have access to oxygen pipes, you can do anything upto 400m

i dont remember where the ||upgraded recirc mask|| is obtained from, but surely you have enough leeway to where you can figure something out? as long as you dont add like 200m worth of water

worst case scenario eat bladderfish

fill up your inventory and you have like 54 at the very least (6x10 and one seaglide, fairly certain player inv is bigger than that though) which should carry you even with the ||5x oxygen consumption||

though it definitely becomes a lot more tedious before you can make your lbs efficient...

[karmic drum]

That has an upgrade?

[barren oar]

Oh

my bad lol

[karmic drum]

I figured we just got an upgraded tank deeper down

[barren oar]

the next spoiler spoils what it gives you

[karmic drum]

Yea bro. The only sub 500 dive I did last save was the degasi base 😂

[karmic drum]

I didn't read that

[barren oar]

okay cool

[karmic drum]

And now I'm not gonna

[barren oar]

you dont need to go down 500m to get it though

[barren oar]

yep thats why i said that

[karmic drum]

That's why I'm so happy about producing enzyme traces and breathing fluid

Now I can actually dive

[karmic drum]

Okay. Okay. That actually tells me I'm probably supposed to find that before I actually move onto liquid breathing

And might explain why it felt so minimal even with treatment last time

[barren oar]

you used the lbs already?

[karmic drum]

Not in this run. In my first real one. Before my hardcore craze

[barren oar]

ah

[karmic drum]

Yea. And suddenly the liquid breathing tank. And a certain resource that has to be collected manually for liquid breathing fluid... are both sub 500 in a suffocation penalty zone makes a lot more sense 😅

[barren oar]

oh i will correct my previous statement, ||it is an upgraded rebreather, not an upgraded recirc mask||

mixed the two up

my bad

as far as im aware, the latter does not exist (yet?)

[karmic drum]

So then.... I should've gotten it before the recirc mask? Or does it still come after

Now I'm confused

[barren oar]

||recirc mask is the upgraded rebreather - you use it in its crafting recipe, no?||

[karmic drum]

Ooooooh

Okay

So nvm that entire conversation then 😂

I'm still on the right track

[barren oar]

yeah thats what i was referring to when i said im usually too vague or too concrete about things

sorry i just got confused midway

[karmic drum]

No no don't worry. I do the same thing

[barren oar]

but either way yeah you're still good

[karmic drum]

I don't know if it's the autism, the brain speed and thought train disorientation, or just me... 😅

[barren oar]

you sure the feeling its too small isnt from the fact ||you're losing 1500 total time by playing on hardcode||

||from 4500 to 3000... i think?||

wait

no thats

||2700 to 1800, so 900||

[karmic drum]

Yea. I still have an idea about how to counter the suffocation dmg from having to dive below 500 without lq those two times

[barren oar]

oh you cant do shit abt that

your lungs are collapsing in on themselves from the pressure unless they're filled up

or something

(and yet, bandages help you heal back up? huh? how's that work)

[karmic drum]

It was probably my imagination. And the face that I was trying to explore the degasi wreck. But couldn't get my seamoth close enough to use it as a recharge point. And since I didn't know about the metabolic gel, or the grand reef vent under ole ghosty. I was super limited on the treatment fluid I was actually able to produce

[karmic drum]

Oh. I had a feeling, going off their description, and the fact that both those and the liquid breathing system use lithogel. That they might be able to help alleviate the effects

[barren oar]

what is the "those" you're referring to here

[karmic drum]

Oh oops. Brain skipped a word

The upgraded medkits

[barren oar]

oh

yknow i never thought of that myself

but i just tanked it with the good old vanilla medkit

[karmic drum]

Well a lot people here are... quite frankly lazy. So they wouldn't even consider setting up the micro infrastructure to make the upgraded medkits worth it. When the regualr ones are objectively cheaper

[barren oar]

hell YEAH im lazy as shit

personally i dont see the extra ingredients + extra slot used for it worth it

the vanilla kit regens fast enough anyway, unless you're in hot pursuit which means you just fucked up

mostly lithogel since you can't farm it at your base

and you get so little on each refill since theres only a few (regenerating) sources of it

[karmic drum]

In my case... I already have to automate half the kits resources, and I already have to farm lithogel anyways.... it just means that whenever I do need to make medkits. That I don't need to carry as many on me. But generally I'm not planning on mass producing them unless I need to

I just wanna see if they can help in these two specific spots

[barren oar]

oh yeah bleach in the recipe is kinda ass too

i dont remember if it was that or the liquid that required de-extinction's spinner fish

[karmic drum]

Bleach is just salt, tube coral and chlorine. If the recipe is changed at all it's cause you made the mistake of using de-extinction

[barren oar]

oh yeah its not changed that recipe is ass

?? c2c adds seamoth arms compat ???

this is completely unrelated but it feels like a mod that'd be blacklisted

interestingly, it was, then commented out

[karmic drum]

Huh. Well if she took it off the list. Then I'm going to tentatively guess that it's okay.

(Don't shoot me Reika 😅)

[barren oar]

its taken out and has compat in terms of progression required + recipe changes

if this isnt confirmation its good to go i dont know what is

[karmic drum]

What is that one anyway? The one that let's you swap arms on the fly?

Ig i'm gonna wanna add that before I get much further along

[barren oar]

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/365?tab=files prawn suit arms on the seamoth

oh there we go the bandages use thalassacean cud, the liquid uses spinner fish

the former is obtained from a fish and it may or may not be farmable i didnt test hatching or breeding it in the acu ever

[karmic drum]

Ooooh. I mean that does sound mildly useful for harvesting resource nodes

I I love the idea of launching a bone shark out of my way. But I don't think the propulsion cannon arm works like that 😂

[worldly valve]

seamoth arms sounds not intended

[barren oar]

proobably not lol

[barren oar]

https://github.com/ReikaKalseki/SeaToSea/blob/main/C2CIntegration.cs#L350

[worldly valve]

weird

probably semi hard to unluck\

[karmic drum]

That's what I thought too lol

[worldly valve]

since ||trucker module ||