SeaToSea

[barren oar]

i just switched back from legacy to 2.0 🥀

[abstract knoll]

ah

ok so

WTF IS THIS?

wha

its like theres just a dump of shit here

[barren oar]

classic (0, 0, 0) bug

just live with it lol

[abstract knoll]

bruh

it spawned a reaper here

my base is like 200 meters away

[barren oar]

cant do shit about it lol

[abstract knoll]

man

[barren oar]

huh ur right you can explore with it

probably not too far i didnt test too much

but it certainly does not get thrown around in the right cave

[abstract knoll]

huh

[worldly valve]

hmm well i was in the werong cave ill give you that...i swaer i was in the one that conected from blue

but the cave does throw around my mothwatching it now

[abstract knoll]

so might just genuinely might be blind

but I cant find shit for ||calcite||

am i looking for like an offshoot cave or something?

[worldly valve]

what biome are you lookin?

[abstract knoll]

lost river

have checked the north east branch, north, south west, and central areas

oh and tree

[barren oar]

you are on the right track for one

the area you're looking for is going to contrast with the surroundings

though it is slightly dangerous with the creature nearby...

[abstract knoll]

ive set up enough bases that i can swim the entire river

[worldly valve]

i miss when the coral was scannable lol

[abstract knoll]

THANK GOD

I FOUND IT

[barren oar]

gg

[worldly valve]

everything important in the river is all in one place>.>

[barren oar]

what

no?

[abstract knoll]

hallelujah

[worldly valve]

its basicaly all in the one room

[barren oar]

you have at least three locations you need to get to

and you dont have anything important where you find || calcite ||

[worldly valve]

||calcite, efficiency, module, acids||

[barren oar]

i guess you could make the argument for ||sulfur + brine coral||

[worldly valve]

||and brincoral too yeS||

[barren oar]

but thats everywhere yeah

[worldly valve]

||there is a clear correct entrance to take ointo the river, the rest are very bad choices||

[barren oar]

unfortunately it also means you're going to be dropping 50 fps when you go through there

[worldly valve]

||with the usual one people use being hot garbage lol||

[barren oar]

choices, choices...

[worldly valve]

i usually have a lag wall by a certain spot on route too lol

[abstract knoll]

yeaaaaa

[worldly valve]

but the other entrances are way worse to choose

[abstract knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-meme-spider-man-mary-jane-clone-fade-away-gif-27146950

[worldly valve]

if you pick the right one your cost of liquid breathing will be drastically reduced

[abstract knoll]

my enzymes

[barren oar]

at least you have the Material™ now

and presumably can use your vehicle there?

(haha)

((does he know))

[barren oar]

yeah just gamble and win 👍

its not that hard to deduce though since you still have to go there

for another reason

[abstract knoll]

probably not

oh yea

[barren oar]

this same reason making the rest of the run abhorrently laggy so you have to choose between enjoying your time (high fps) and enjoying your time (little grind)

[abstract knoll]

|| the power drain||

[barren oar]

7 moonpool time 🔥

[abstract knoll]

you know maybe i should install FCS

[barren oar]

why

[abstract knoll]

to automate my resources

[barren oar]

oh

fair

[abstract knoll]

i wonder if it can mine ||calcite||

so uh

does the Material™ respawn or no?

[barren oar]

:)

oh it might actually

[abstract knoll]

hopefully because only 5 pieces spawned

and im running out of enzymes

lil far from my moth

[barren oar]

oh this is interesting but i do not see integration with the drill system for this material specifically

dont forget to use your scanner rooms because you have like four down there it looks like

[abstract knoll]

oh no those are at like 100M

im gonna have to set up more

[barren oar]

not like you need much of it anyway (unless its used for the rocket, which i did not reach)

[barren oar]

rip

[abstract knoll]

have a small swim to my seamoth

[barren oar]

wrong entrance tax

lost the 1/4 gamble 🎉

[abstract knoll]

https://youtu.be/QxPXXp_fNTU?feature=shared

[abstract knoll]

Imma go to bed

[abstract knoll]

thank you for your help

[vocal crane]

does fcs make seatosea unbalanced or

[barren oar]

nah c2c actually patches it in various ways so its less powerful

i dont remember why i asked that specifically

in all honesty

[vocal crane]

alr cuz i havent tried either mod before

[karmic drum]

Yo

I'm back what I miss?

Also man. Hard mode got me building bases in places I'd never usually build to cover these increased bioprocessor costs

[round vessel]

could it be above the geyser with 50 thermal plants inside of it

[karmic drum]

Literally lifepod 12

But I mean... still somewhere you'd never build a base in vanilla subnautica. Not out of need anyway

[vocal crane]

sounds like hardmode

[karmic drum]

But naw. Not 50 thermal plants. Probably 5-6 if the mod will let me maintain that many, 3-4 bioreactors. And a lot of power banks

[vocal crane]

is it fun playing with hardmode

[karmic drum]

It's just a bit grinder in some spots. But you seem new to c2c. So I'd recommend the normal experience

[vocal crane]

Alr ty

[vocal crane]

also do u use fcs

[karmic drum]

I am. But the data boxes needed to get started have been moved to a deeper location then where you actually get the pda. So I haven't actually gotten into those mods yet

[vocal crane]

oh wow this mod changes that?

[barren oar]

just set up a bunch of solar panels + batteries

[karmic drum]

Yes. The c2c creator did custom compat with fcs to make sure the two didn't have conflicting progression paths

[karmic drum]

I enjoy actually playing the game here sir

[barren oar]

also there may or may not be a way to autofeed bioreactors with fishes from acus by building the acu just one floor above it

this is very vague because i have never really tried it, but i did hear of rumors about c2c or dependencies adding this functionality

[karmic drum]

Plus the thermal plants hold more power. So it saves me on needing to build as many battery banks

[barren oar]

my bioreactor never went down even just one fish and it did happen to be just below the oculus, ta least

[barren oar]

but it limits your options

of base

grassy plateaus the goat

assuming you can deal with the Biome Threat Near Entrances™

[karmic drum]

The bulb zone is pretty 🤷

[barren oar]

no

[karmic drum]

And I've never built a base here before

Not even a scanner base

[barren oar]

well i mean subjective opinion for sure

objectively wrong but its an opinion

[karmic drum]

So I can use this for bioprocessing and additional exploration

[barren oar]

what does hardmode do again is it just a bullshit flat 2x power consumption increase or so

[karmic drum]

Though I get the feeling I won't be doing much exploring without solving the tungsten problem

[karmic drum]

2.5x on the bioprocessor exclusively

[barren oar]

yeah straight bullshit

i guess its meant to make you build more than a bioreactor and 4 batteries

moving to... 3 bioreactors and 10 batteries instead

[karmic drum]

Which more or less creates a small gate between when you get the bioprocessor. And when you really start using it

And my adhd brain appreciates when a game forces me to slow down a little bit

And just... work on stuff instead of tunnel vision rushing from progress point to progress point

[barren oar]

why would you not want to speed through the grind and reach the fun parts (prawn suit)

[karmic drum]

Plus the recric mask is gonna feel so damn rewarding once I can reliably produce what I need for it. And I'll have a nice and well developed base to remark on as well 😩

[barren oar]

i mean maybe im just too much a goal oriented player to really get it

[karmic drum]

All rhe parts of the journey are fun for me

[karmic drum]

We do tend to clash on that

Along with.... pairadocksducks

[barren oar]

time spent not progressing is wasted 🗣️🔥

[karmic drum]

I had to remember people's names after coming back

[barren oar]

what side is paira on im not too sure about that part

[karmic drum]

I think

I can't remember if he's super progress oriented or not

[barren oar]

yeah less rush or more rush

ah

[karmic drum]

Knowledge today is progress tomorrow greater than what progress alone today would've been. At least for me anyway. Being at almost constant risk of mental burn out is a pain in the rear

[vocal crane]

grand reef is pretty too

[barren oar]

but if you progress you inherently are also more knowledgeable because you did what you needed to progress

[vocal crane]

might be a few bonesharks but ye

[barren oar]

theres bsharks in the reef ??

are you sure you arent talking about the uw islands

[vocal crane]

i remember there were

might be because i played with migration

im not sure

but there were bonesharks there

[barren oar]

i know theres like 3 crabsquids in the reef and a ghost levi

ohh yeah maybe then

[karmic drum]

I have a base down there. But it's just for recon. And you can't do too much down in the reef without hitting critical progress points in the mod

[karmic drum]

It was either cause you used migration. Or you built a base where the reef meets the crag fields

[vocal crane]

i dont think i did that

i tried to make it close to a kelp forest

yet deep

probably was the migration mod

[karmic drum]

Also bonesharks aren't as bad as I made them out to be. Just don't have your moths lights on around them and also don't literally drive right next to them

And for the most part they leave you alone

[barren oar]

the sharks must have been really passive on your planet then

[vocal crane]

yeah but slight problem, when i did that playthrough i installed vanilla expanded, making it so bonesharks could literally destroy ur base

[barren oar]

i know i managed to get like 7 following me at once despite no seamoth light

assumed i'd stumbled into a crag fields hotspot

[karmic drum]

A stray nibble here and there. But no constant chases. And if an area has a metric ton of them like the floating islands. Then I keep some flares on me

[barren oar]

or you know just

swim

less resource intensive and easier than trying to direct them away from your current location at all times

[karmic drum]

No. They still suck. But the easiest way to have them not suck is to learn how they move and behave

[barren oar]

that takes considerable mental effort though

[karmic drum]

I forgot that you have the paitence of boiling water 😅

Yea. Azurite seaglide also works

[barren oar]

i assume that means no patience hell YEAH we doing it LAZY

[karmic drum]

The more effort I put myself through the better I function. I'm rather unique among my peers in that regard. But relaxation is a toxin for me.

[barren oar]

azurite i dont think does anything under like 200m or so

for the seaglide at least

[karmic drum]

That's exactly what that means

[barren oar]

that said, i do not have any proof for that claim

it just feels way slower if you use it at high depths

[karmic drum]

I've gone from 400m to surface on half an ultra capacity tank

It's speed isn't depth adjusted

[barren oar]

actually i wonder if its easier to build a 450m oxygen pipe line than a 300m deep base

for specifically the || under-uw islands wreck piece ||

[karmic drum]

It feels faster if you hug the ground. But that's a perception thing

[barren oar]

less resources for sure but you also need to deal with the oxygen pipe placement system

[karmic drum]

||depends on how much time you wanna spend stripping the ship for titanium ||

[barren oar]

oh i did that before i got the upgrade that allows that

you have a surprising amount of scrap metal in the nearby area

[karmic drum]

I run building tweaks for dealinf with subnautica's bs building system

[barren oar]

btweaks works for oxygen pipe placement ??

[karmic drum]

You do. I just wanted to make the joke

[barren oar]

blessed

[karmic drum]

I have no clue

[barren oar]

oh

[karmic drum]

I imagine it might

I've literally never used pipes

[karmic drum]

But like... if it lets me put a locker on the floor. Or an exterior grow bed upside down...

[barren oar]

i tried using them for like 30 seconds since i wanted to make a mod that adds more functionality to them (they stink)

[karmic drum]

Then it probably works for the bs placing they have

[barren oar]

builder tool placement and oxygen pipe placement are unfortunately two very different systems

[karmic drum]

The only reason I don't use them is just how the placing works. Sometimes it'll bug out and not let you go deeper without going 100m horizontally in some other direction first

[barren oar]

probably the work of biome triggers getting in the way

[karmic drum]

So if huh

Heat

[barren oar]

because they check collision against triggers... for no reason at all.....

[karmic drum]

Probably

[barren oar]

they dont even use triggers in the pipe connection's construction that is worthless and nobody noticed it because nobody uses them

[karmic drum]

So if I need to go deeper than I should be early game. Like exploring the jellyshroom caves without a moth. I just come up with creative solutions that I don't have to fight to use right

[barren oar]

you're free to explore anything uptill 500m with just your trusty 70 pipes of oxygen and a floating pump

[karmic drum]

Well cause there's no use for them at all in the base game. Unless you're intentionally trying to handicap yourself. And there's a few places where they could be used in c2c but it's insanely limited since they become totally worthles at 500m or lower

[barren oar]

anything lower and your lungs start collapsing into a black hole

yeah

they could be situationally useful for exploring wrecks and such

...i assume you can route pipes through doors, at least

[karmic drum]

Once you hit the liquid stage it's useless

[karmic drum]

Probably not. You'd probably still have to swim all the way back to a wrecks entrance

[barren oar]

||actually what happens at 500+m again is it constant damage without the lbs||

[karmic drum]

And just have pipes outside the door

[barren oar]

||or is the damage later, when you board an oxygenated area like a base||

i wonder if you can create a softlock "cursed" c2c save by collapsing your lungs enough then saving...

yknow like those "cursed" softlocked pokemon 4 save slot game cartridges

[karmic drum]

||I hope that damage isn't lethal. Last time I got to the lbs I realized I couldn't eat with the mask on. But didn't want to take it off allthe way and risk dyinf||

[barren oar]

:)

[karmic drum]

Like triggering a trap with auto-quick save on in an elder scrolls or fallout game

[karmic drum]

||so I would just take the mask off, slam food and water down, then frantically put the mask back on in the span of an actual second||

I didn't end up keeping that save for long though

[barren oar]

yeah thats how i usually did it too

its really not that hard once you understand where the mask goes and you have about 3 or 4 seconds of actual time until you die

[karmic drum]

I wanted to try hardcore and follow a more "natural" progression path, then I got tired of hardcore, found about the c2c compat. And here we are.

[karmic drum]

I do wish there was some better method besides just making food and water an absolute chore for the rest of the game past that point. But I guess it does also necessitate the use of high calorie cured foods and things like the large filtered waters

Which are objectively the best food options in the game

But I still end up totally ignoring them cause food maintenance is where I'm a lazy bumb

@viral saffron you ever figure out the tongue lillies?

[barren oar]

bulbo tree in base and ||smoked|| fish/nutrient blocks (since you get so many in c2c) + filtered water the goats of food + water

you only need like 3 filtered water max for a full trip if you have just one(1) outpost with a bulbo tree wherever you're headed

[karmic drum]

Ig that's another way to do it

And like... if I'm really in a pinch I can just slam down some thermoblade cooked fish

[barren oar]

thermoblade is awesome if you use de-extinction

[karmic drum]

It is nice how the drops are doubled to account for the increased food and water consumption rates

[karmic drum]

I do not lol

[barren oar]

the axetail is like +20 food and water in both slices

[karmic drum]

I forget to install it every mod

[barren oar]

its increased?

[karmic drum]

But I remember you telling me that

[barren oar]

oh dont worry you arent losing much it makes your life worse in every other way

[karmic drum]

I could be wrong. But I think she mentioned that once when I thought my thermoblade duping fish was a bug

[barren oar]

huh

[karmic drum]

Yea... I'm also generally a "purists" when it comes to my fauna in subnautica. The game doesn't need more predators then it already has

[karmic drum]

reika. I had asked her if the thermo blade was supposed to dupe fish or not. I thought it was a bug because outside of what I read here. I genuinely play this mod blind. Don't use the wiki or any other online threads or forums for information

[barren oar]

oh wow nice i could never

[karmic drum]

Man... can't wait till I have this bioprocessor project done in like.... 4-5hrs

Then I can fabricate the recirc mask, the stasis rifle, azurite batteries for more tools than just my seaglide

Gonna be great

||and get the electromechanical suit too. Good god I miss having that||

[barren oar]

good old stasis rifle

the tool that is actually rather useless except in like 3 places because it applies physics on the objects the statis bubble touches for whatever fucking reason

do not shoot it in an enclosed area where you have a lot of doors you need to open, in an attempt to neutralise the threats found within

[karmic drum]

It may not be a widely applicable tool. But by god when it's useful... IT'S USEFUL

[barren oar]

or just accidentally perform the glitch where you can use your repair tool inside the seamoth and get away scot free

thats how i managed to do the || lifepod 15 databox repair || without the stasis and its really not useful in any other circumstance

[karmic drum]

I did that once on accident and it genuinely saved my rear. Mostly cause I was total tool and tried going through the floating islands with my lights on....

But still

[barren oar]

your vehicles are tanky enough to survive 1-2 hits usually and you are athletic enough to escape most dangers unharmed

[karmic drum]

Though I prefer to use tools at my disposal like flares, decoys, and the stat rifle than a glitch. It adds more to that unique survival feel that subnautica offers for me

[barren oar]

and the creature that does you in 90% of the time is a reaper... which you can also get rid of the moment you obtain a seamoth

[barren oar]

resource drain :(

[karmic drum]

I mean c2c makes that a non issue thanks to eco-ocean. The only thing I'm not 100% is renewable is cave sulfur 😆

But I'd guess it probably is at some point

[barren oar]

i genuienly did not find a single renewable source of cave sulfur in my playthrough

which is fair enough because if you're using it by the time you run out then you're playing wrong

[karmic drum]

Be it making progress that puts me one step closer to reaching the end of my game. Or doing relaxing resource farming. I just enjoy playing the game

[karmic drum]

Yup. There's no predator agressive enough for you to be burning through it like that

[barren oar]

grinding feels so weird in subnautica because you pick up something and its just gone forever

its much better done in an mmo for instance

[worldly valve]

I really need to add to my power setup

I have 2 bio rooms with lots of batteries in eachm but i need to at least makr ane electric acu

[barren oar]

so you dont have to go 400m out to find a single limestone chunk (and be greeted by the other resource than you were looking for, every single time)

oh yeah about acus what do you need to do for them to start pooping

[karmic drum]

I mean in base game yea. But going totally over the top, building crazy eccentric bases, and grinding for resources in c2c feels perfectly natural

I'm gonna be down here a while. I might as well have fun doing it

[worldly valve]

4 is cap i think

[barren oar]

neither my stalker nor my ampeel acu were not shitting out anything despite having the correct biome

stalker at least i know was 100% the correct setup because teeth were dropping

[worldly valve]

I feek with how machines seem to break on overload idk if this woukd eork so well anymore. Maybe if yous base is consuming enough to prevent cap

[karmic drum]

If I have more than 2 along side bio-reactors then my reactors just stop exporting power and my base just actually starts leaking power fairly rapidly

Then again. As said. I don't actually read the wiki. So I don't know how the cap actually works

I just ball

[worldly valve]

Put it on a corner of some kelp and another biome or two and you have

[karmic drum]

This is probably generally how the cap works. Because it's hard to make a base in subnautica actually comesume large amounts of power constantly

[barren oar]

but yk you get enough shit for like the next 15 hours if you collect sea treader poop for 5 minutes

[barren oar]

they do ????

[worldly valve]

Heheheheheheheh

[barren oar]

looking at the code it really should just be as simple as more generator => more power

because all they do is add power to the PowerRelay

?????

2.0 at least

idk how it is in legacy

[worldly valve]

That was my #1 priority...but i havent been able to find the efficincy card....it got moved i think

[karmic drum]

No no. We mean something Reika herself (I think) pretty sure she made the overload function that way you have to put more thought into power infrastructure then just spamming a bunch of passive power and routing it to wherever you want

[worldly valve]

Have i mentioned you need to go play outer wilds ever? I know i have but also

[barren oar]

ah

[worldly valve]

All bone sharks must die

[karmic drum]

Oh I didn't that was a thing. I'm just out here raw dogging the 2.5× cost

[karmic drum]

Yes. Yes you have 🤣

[worldly valve]

Also if you stab them enough they dont respawn!

[viral saffron]

I never really tried honestly, that was someone else. But no

[barren oar]

efficiency card is in the same place you could find it ~2 years ago

[worldly valve]

He knows de way

[karmic drum]

The whole centerpiece of this mod is innovation and exploration. To replace all the easy cheese in the mod with more thoughtful and impactful decsions.

[worldly valve]

Or, and hear ne out here, 2 or 3 tanks

[barren oar]

counterpoint: slow as fuck

[karmic drum]

Ooooh. That was probably the dude I blocked cause he was being a total ass to Reakia and insisting that people should be allowed to make c2c forks...

[barren oar]

there should be some sort of wiring system to detect how much power is in the system and de/activate generators programmatically then

so you need to put in effort to have an expanded power network

[worldly valve]

Lairian used them for grand reef i believe

[barren oar]

(there, as can be clearly seen, is not)

[karmic drum]

probably this

[barren oar]

that is for knowing what specialisation your room has

[karmic drum]

Oh

I just read the UI when it pops up

[barren oar]

which you dont even need to place down after building it exactly once in your run because then it autoalerts you when you make a change

huh????

[karmic drum]

Yea that

[worldly valve]

I out my water on hold under my bioprocessing is done

[barren oar]

the message appears before you place it down at all??

[karmic drum]

No

[barren oar]

oh okay

[karmic drum]

I'm saying I just read the message lol

[barren oar]

yeah also last i used it it was actively harmful becuase it would unspecialise the room its in

so like . what the fuck ?

[karmic drum]

Sorry, my wordings can get a bit weird

[barren oar]

is the point of it ?

[karmic drum]

That is.... probably on her todo list

It's hard to remember that a mod like this isn't even finished lol

[barren oar]

yeah maybe but at least most of the work is already done in that regard

because decoration buildables exist

e.g. plant pots

(which do not qualify a room for agriculture, despite allowing planting useful plants in it)

[worldly valve]

So i cheeses mk 3 guus

Again

Tbh this was ny easiest method yet

|| its still a small rock. Its always been, ||

[barren oar]

where was mk3 again

[karmic drum]

Last time I hugged the floor

[barren oar]

oh right that

yeah but i think theres been patches since then to remove the floor strat lol

[karmic drum]

But this time I'm gonna use a more intentional method

[barren oar]

clearly the intention is to use a bait base that constantly sonars so the reaper attacks it instead of you

i dont think creatures attack bases with sonar but that'd be a fun way of doing it

[karmic drum]

Probably sonar+creature plyon and maybe hull repair nanites

[barren oar]

or just be Basic And Lame and throw a flare or decoy nearby

[worldly valve]

Im nit syre thees much info on the uodated power mechanics

[karmic drum]

Reapers are the only ones thst might

[karmic drum]

Which is again, why I'm just balling

[worldly valve]

It hurts it too!

[worldly valve]

|| so i built a room above it||

[barren oar]

oh does it still

[worldly valve]

,|| it ws ssuper chill. Scanned the 3 reapers from ny cage,||

[barren oar]

lool

[karmic drum]

I think my favorite specializations are power handling and storage.

[barren oar]

then there should probably be a base build block in the area so you cant just base yourself lol

[barren oar]

hell YEAH storage is goated

[karmic drum]

Since they give tangible buffs I can actually see

[barren oar]

machine is great too and probably(?) works for the bioreactor

er

bioprocessor

[worldly valve]

I wish i knew how yo get the powet room decoration rating uo

[barren oar]

you put decorations

[karmic drum]

Bioreactor falls under power generation

[worldly valve]

What

I thought those would take away from it lololol

[barren oar]

yeah processor is what i was talking about my bad

[karmic drum]

Is it not battery banks?

[karmic drum]

What?

[barren oar]

"decoration rating"

[karmic drum]

Doesn't that unspecialze it?

[barren oar]

what could possibly increase this

[worldly valve]

Ive never gotten it abovr a 0.0 in powet room

Ive managed to get agriculture above 1

[barren oar]

oh

nevermind i may not be able to read

[worldly valve]

Tho ..that might been a % and that conflicts with a hard number...

[karmic drum]

Normally it's just related practical objects. Like lockers for storage

[barren oar]

i honestly never bothered with deco rating because as far as i can tell (through the code) all it really does is lower your food + water usage while inside it

and unlock the lounge(?) specialisation or something but again damn near useless and i couldnt get it to work even cramming as many decorations as i could in creative

[worldly valve]

I thiught maybe .y power room could get even better

[barren oar]

the item viewer is great for decoration with some items btw protip

[karmic drum]

I'll have to screw around with that one

[worldly valve]

This is speculation to be clear

I got some kinds bonus in agri room after i shoves enough planters in...it was minimal tho

[karmic drum]

Because either the deco system isn't done yet. Or there are things about it we don't know

[worldly valve]

I think its likely one of the least known systems

I think a lot of the base mechanics are underutlized

[barren oar]

there being no ingame documentation other than the message you get on base update isnt very helpful either

[karmic drum]

c2c likely thrives on making each biome into a home. I'm gonna use this new bulb zone base to test some things

[karmic drum]

I mean again. Either it isn't finished. Or the documentation is left purposefully vague. Hell it could be both

[karmic drum]

Like I'm confident I can squeeze more out of the storage rooms than getting the wall lockers up to 45 slots and the standing lockers up to 63 slots

I'm just not sure how to best do so

[barren oar]

huhhh windows have a surprising amount of code dedicated to them and adding deco rating

as one would expect, there has to be a nice view to get any sort of mileage from it

theres also glass ceiling support which i assume is just to prepare for the planned 2.0 update

[karmic drum]

I honestly can't wait to see what she's packing away for 2.0 but first the Nautilus team has to get it together

Man... large rooms are gonna be so nice to have again

[barren oar]

it really is as simple as more storage

[karmic drum]

I assume that only applies to the living space type specializations no?

[barren oar]

decoration rating has absolutely no weight in final storage size

[barren oar]

decoration

oh i forgot to look for the deco being capped at 0 on a machine room or somesuch

[karmic drum]

Yea I know that. I just meant making the absolute best use out of locker placements themselves lol

[barren oar]

oh

you can comfortably fit like 4 storage lockers on each side i think

the ground lockers

[karmic drum]

Because you can cover the walls in wall lockers. But they only add so much to the rating before that seems to cap out

[karmic drum]

Yea. Especially with build tweaks

[barren oar]

7 sides (because one is used by the corridor entrance) and you have 28

oh i always remember sides being way smaller than they really are

4 i think is the limit though

if you're fine with limiting your movement you can also add 4 in the center or so

[karmic drum]

I'm also not even sure what the working room specialization does. Maybe makes crafting faster?

[barren oar]

maybe like 8

[karmic drum]

6. If you plan to silo the storage rooms vertically that is

I use resource monitor

[barren oar]

check this out

^

[karmic drum]

So I have no issues with limiting my range of movement

[barren oar]

so work is crafting speed ye

[barren oar]

oh nice

love magic storage mods gotta be one of my favourite genders

or however the meme goes

[karmic drum]

Saving that for myself for later

[karmic drum]

That's how it goes lol

And yea It's nice. Saves me from having to actually go through all my lockers. And instead I can just focus on putting things in there and that being the end of it

Machine room would probably go hard with 7 water filters

[barren oar]

where power to run them 💔

[karmic drum]

That's the neat part. I'll just expand my base some more

And build extra storage to hold my bottomless supply of salt and high count water

Which I'll be abel to access from any base once I get deep enough into fcs (after ofc I can actually start fcs)

[worldly valve]

Yet ive considdered making a third fab for my room🥲

I can click much faster than lysing enzymes can craft

[karmic drum]

The grind to the 12x recipe is real. Though it's way easier if you bulk craft them when you don't immediately need them

Instead of having to stop mid task to craft more cause you ran out

I stock up on all the ingredients as well to make that process easier

Which costs some enzymes sure

But it's a net positive on the return

[barren oar]

Whta

12x recipe ?? genuienly used ??

[karmic drum]

Oh no I've never used it

[barren oar]

was it changed to cost less of the resources you use on the lesser variant of the recipe

[karmic drum]

But I also don't onow how grindy it is

So I threw the suggestion out there blind

[barren oar]

personally i dont see it as worth going for

last i played, you used the same relative amount of resources as the lesser variant plus || calcite ||, and now you also have to keep a filtration system going, so you have to expand your power production a whole lot

(and dont forget to empty out the filtration system! otherwise you're wasting precious cycles)

[karmic drum]

I've genuinely never gone deeper than the second degasi base and was barely keeping my bioprocessor running last time. I don't know jack crap 😂

[barren oar]

oh that degasi base is like pre-early game tf didnt you reach past the lr

oh i guess you go to them at about the same points in progression

[karmic drum]

No

[barren oar]

i see

[karmic drum]

I literally got liquid breathing, tried to do the second degasi base, got locked inside it for some reason.....

And then moved onto something else for while

[barren oar]

locked...?

did you perhaps use the stasis rifle, perchance

[karmic drum]

||the hatch on the second floor closed behind me after scanning the orange tablet consistently||

[barren oar]

well actually that should just move the whole base instead of locking you in

[karmic drum]

So I assumed I probably wasn't supposed to go there yet

[barren oar]

that sounds like an intended mechanic but i cant say ive noticed it myself lol

though you really dont have a method of getting out if thats the case

[karmic drum]

Speaking of that lovely too though. If I shot a gasopod just after it shot out it's pods. Would the field keep the pods from exploding?

[karmic drum]

It probably is. Likely a "you aren't supposed to do that yet" signal

[barren oar]

(because any action you wouldve taken while inside to get out, you could very easily have taken while outside to get in, thus skipping progression)

oh or it may be something funny like ||needing to use the upgraded repulsion cannon to pry it open again||

but would the same solution really go for multiple puzzles

[barren oar]

how does the base that has not received any sort of power for the last year(?) have the ability to scan you and figure out if you've gotten too far, too early

in other words what im trying to say is c2c progression gates are usually more organic

[karmic drum]

Yea. I'm just not thinking outside the box on that one lol

[worldly valve]

I do bulk crafting. Usually 20ish at a time..not bulk bulj i guess but gotta stab go many crowns you know

But i still can click enzymes on the second fab before the first fab finishes

[worldly valve]

Bioprocessing forces the power anyways

Im concerned nuclear reactors can melt down based on a linr that i think changed

[karmic drum]

20 is hardly anything for enzymes. Unless I'm missing some secret tricks for the BP

[worldly valve]

Its a new one

[trail ether]

400

the falloff ends at 400

starts at 50

[trail ether]

no?

[karmic drum]

Okay. Thank you 😅

I wasn't sure about pining you directly but had a solid feeling you'd see that

[trail ether]

that is a config because some people find it annoying

[trail ether]

that does not make sense

oh i found the issue

[worldly valve]

I habe a theory but i dont think i should share it yet

Well hypothethis

[trail ether]

I am toying with a new feature that makes deco rating matter in all cases

[worldly valve]

I dont use standing lockers😅

[worldly valve]

I assume warpers are behind it

[trail ether]

this should be a hint

[pine ginkgo]

lol subnautica update in the big 2025

[unreal flame]

shouldn't affect sea to sea because of legacy

[karmic drum]

That would actually be really interesting. Sometimes I'll avoid trying to decorate a functional room entirely because it messes with the specialized bonus. But if you're talking about what I think you're talking about. Then I'd love for decoration to be part of what makes the room specialized to begin with

[errant cairn]

welp guess reika isn't updating anytime soon

[karmic drum]

I mean I sincerely doubt Nautilus was gonna be fully released tomorrow or anything

[errant cairn]

It entirely could've based on what I've seen

[karmic drum]

I haven't been around in a hot minute so 😅

[errant cairn]

Yeah

[karmic drum]

Also jesus christ. Even with the bioprocessor recipe power banks take the equivalent of the entire ecologies acid mushroom supply to assemble in mass

Titanium? I sleep.
Wiring kits? I sleep.
Silicone rubber? I sleep.
The god damn mushrooms?

https://tenor.com/view/real-shit-i-sleep-shaq-triggered-woke-gif-17504394

[worldly valve]

I know man

I actually syopped growing them as much

It ws jsut faster to grab them on loops

Bioprocessor helps the avid thi

A lot

If you didnt realise it has a recipe

[worldly valve]

Whatd i miss

[ivory cave]

hey, ive been trying to run sea to sea with deathrun remade, and every time deathrun faces a fatal error and sea to sea doesnt appear at all in the mod list, is it because c2c is for legacy?

[worldly valve]

I believe you need to use the kegacy deathrun

But you will uave to turn off the suit depth settings

[ivory cave]

thanks so much man, are they broken in the og deathrun?

[worldly valve]

No, they conflict with c2v

You will lock yourself

Mechanical overlap issue

[ivory cave]

oh got it

do i need to do it manually or theres an option?

[worldly valve]

I think its in the setting fike

For deathrun

[karmic drum]

Oh I know it has one. But right now I'm making a base that can actually handle making the more power hungry bp recipes. So While I am gonna setup some auto famers in the future. Right now I'm just getting what I need to have a large enough power reserve to handle hard mode bp power consumption

[ivory cave]

thanks a ton bro

[karmic drum]

Once I have most of the in-house infrastructure for enzymes setup. Then I'll worry about being more chemically efficient

[worldly valve]

My base is sitting at about 5k. Tho i do it in burts atm..i craft some shit, and i still have busyworks to do o i do inbetween charges

[errant cairn]

2.0 update

[karmic drum]

Yea. I'm shooting for around 5k to start. I have I want say.... 6 powerbanks at my current base that I'm gonna move over to my bio-processing base. And then I'm gathering the materials for the other 11 now

Another 11*

[worldly valve]

Split your banks up if you didnt plan to

[karmic drum]

And the most costly part of that is just mushrooms lol. So once I actually have a proper setup for the bp, and some auto farmers for various plants. Expanding power storage will be stupid easy by comparison later on

[karmic drum]

Oh I'm not using this current base for crap besides storage. It's just my original safe shallows base 😅

[worldly valve]

I nisplaced ny starting base...i put iy to close to dunes meteor🥲

[karmic drum]

The one I'm making in the bulb zone is where the magics gonna happen

[worldly valve]

Ahhhh

Maybe i should.movr my base

I dont want to because of storage lockets lololol

[karmic drum]

Moving storage isn't a huge deal to me when I'm moving to a location that will offer me better power

Plus I can compact my ingots and crap

[errant cairn]

Yeah

its fine

[worldly valve]

I have at least 3 lockers eorth of magnetite and titanium ingots🥲

I basically have a storage toom alnost full of wall lockers

3 on each wall

2 on the entrances ealls

I geuess i could out 2 more of each side of the ebtrances too actually

Sincr it goes half down the hall

[karmic drum]

I definitely don't resource collect that heavy. Or have a prawnsuit with a drill arm. But I'd still move all my crap if I really wanted to

[worldly valve]

Ehhh it really didnt take so long to get the magnetite

The titanium is also basically 100% from the sunbeam

Magnetite 30-45 mins maybe?

I wanted to collect all the sunbeam, but the base had decaying lag and also things stopped spawning well

I never did find the second nanolathon drone sadly

[karmic drum]

The I never actually found the wreckage of the sunbeam. Just a bunch of crates with hull repair nanite fragments and an assortment of prawn arm fragments

Just down below the island

[worldly valve]

Its not a wreck

[karmic drum]

alright. 22 power cells done and dusted

[worldly valve]

luls

ill hop in vc for a bit if ya want

[karmic drum]

I'm chill rn. Gonna hop off after I finish installing all these and making sure my base is actually receiving power properly. This lone thermal vent keeps buging out

[barren oar]

Oh no?

[barren oar]

i do not see how this is an organic gate at all honestly it feels too out of left field as a gimmick

but surely then one of the solutions is ||dropping stuff near the hatch so it cant close completely||

[trail ether]

exactly

[barren oar]

ahh okay so its not a gate is what you're saying

its not the same solution as the ||aurora captain door upgraded-repulsion cannon to bust it open|| is it

well actually dont answer preferably ill get to testing it out sometime

come to think of it why did you remove the worldgen from the repo... 1.5 months ago?

its still as easily accessible since you can just download the latest release and see them all there

i guess it does restrict mobile clients from sifting through it though since file operations actually just kinda suck there, was that the intention

[trail ether]

the release does not contain plaintext XML

[barren oar]

admittedly i did not bother to look past seeing them there and assuming they were in the same format as pre-wipe

oh the translations are but worldgen not i see

[flint aspen]

Is the ||cyclops heat dissipation module || just a passive upgrade? I can only find ||heat sinks|| for the seamoth...

[trail ether]

yes

[karmic drum]

I understand how the sunbeam debris work now.... and I feel like a dumb dumb 😂

[barren oar]

what were you thinking before

[karmic drum]

That I was looking for some sort of actual wreck and that my scanner room was tripping tf out

[barren oar]

yeah thats the most logical way to go about it

where has all that ship gone bc the like 20 pieces of scrap you can get sure as hell isnt the entirety of the hull

[karmic drum]

I shall still treasure all these random bits of loot though

[karmic drum]

No no. Like I was so set on it finding a wreck mentally... that I didn't notice the scanner room was pinging actual items 😭

Like I just thought it was tweaking

[barren oar]

yeah

[karmic drum]

Again. I read no wiki's. And my adhd renders me sorta squirrel brained lmao

[barren oar]

first time i played i didnt even think of using the scanner because surely it would be a big, noticeable wreck somewhere in there

oh actually im misremembering how the cutscene goes

98% of it does get instantly vaporised, after all

and what doesnt get vaporised actually lands somewhere towards the underwater islands? but somehow makes its way over to the place where you find them

really considerate of the sunbeam to bring on the ship exactly as many pieces of [ore] as you will need on the island, and really considerate of the gun to miss every single one of said [ore] so you dont get stranded :)

[karmic drum]

I'm probably gonna chuck some of the stuff like the excess fire extinguishers. But this will be a good way to kill some time while I wait for my processing base to charge up

[barren oar]

yeah you have like 12 relevant items in total from everything you get

actually the code is public i can count exactlyt

[karmic drum]

I mean i'll harvest everything just for the busy work and so I don't have to see the pings on my scanner rooms

[barren oar]

harvest then throw it away to get rid of the scan yeah

and probably also to allow more items to spawn

because i could never get more than a few spawned at a time, so new detections just wouldnt spawn until i'd cleaned up the previous

i'd say 9-13 vital, 10 useful uniques, 12 convenient crafting skips and then pure garbage

well 20 of the pure garbage is slightly less garbage

[karmic drum]

Honestly it's just neat that the sunbeam actually drops anything at all

And the extra decorative items are actually pretty nice. Since you can't craft most of them

[worldly valve]

Titanium and copper wire is never garbage sit. Sunbeam crash stronger than laser citter upgrade

[barren oar]

titanium free and you get ingots in minutes in a little while longer after you can loot the sunbeam

copper also insanely free because limestone is everywhere and by the time you start running out you can drill the big chunks

[worldly valve]

drillings slow>.>

also in hard mode there is serious time to kill when waiting for power lol

[barren oar]

it also makes power gen worse ??

[karmic drum]

The bioprocessor uses 2.5x as much power as it does in the base game

[barren oar]

yeah that i knew of

[karmic drum]

I didn't spend hours grinding out power banks for my health

[karmic drum]

That's all he was talking about

[barren oar]

i see

the worst part of banks you can just duplicate

intended game mechanic of course because if it wasnt then the default battery of pro/rep would be set to nothing :)

[karmic drum]

Because the current overload limit puts a constraint on the number of gens that can actually produce power relative to the amount of power your base is actually using

[barren oar]

oh right that too

[karmic drum]

So untill you start adding a bunch of shit to your base that uses power. You have to wait a good while between bioprocessor operations

||and until you find the effiency chip||

[worldly valve]

ah good///my bio reactors hit cap an broke again lol

oh it fixed itself this time

weird

well 1 did

oh wait nvm im dumb

[karmic drum]

That is the number one thing I want out of the eventual living large update. Is to be rid of this fuck ass power bug

[worldly valve]

the autofarmers range is annoyingly big...

is this a bug?

this si the first time playing the mod ive encuntered it

i jsut wanted my auto farmer to grab seacrowns...it has quite a range

[barren oar]

?? where's the ||closing hatch|| gimmick that was mentioned a bit ago

i jumped into a freedom + oxygen + nodamage new save to check it out and it does not occur

do i really have to play up to this point to see it

[karmic drum]

I don't think it's a bug. I think rather it's meant for the mass farming of individual plant types. So In the future I'm going to be making a base, likely in the grassy plateu's. Specially for farming crops in mass.

[barren oar]

yeah but it exceeds a foundation's worth of distance

[karmic drum]

It's likely there are several triggers that need to happen first

[barren oar]

so it makes it really hard to have a designated planter area for every crop without making a 2km2 base

[karmic drum]

||it didn't close for me until after I scanned the tablet||

[barren oar]

awful

[barren oar]

yeah i did that thinking it'd do it

[karmic drum]

I'm aware. And I could care less. If that's what I gotta do to auto farm my crops then that's what I'll do

[karmic drum]

I mean the mod prides itself on progression

[barren oar]

i mean i guess

huh c2c adds a lot of really weirdly named game objects into the scene it seems

including one with... 1265 characters?

oh dear the constant ||pod breaks|| really do lower fps quite a bit in this area

well not really that constant occasional and really hard hitting when they occur

because it becomes a chain reaction(?)

[trail ether]

orrrrrrrrrr

[karmic drum]

Okay. I'm never pretending to be an expert

I apologize

[worldly valve]

i wonder if its an unnatural gate of sorts

like becausewe havent triggered a thing in one of the uncompelted biomes

i havent visited most the alien stuff

[trail ether]

orrrrrrrrrr

[worldly valve]

i can think of a few things

1)gate lock ,natural or unatural
2)tool use
3)tablet elsewhere
4)maybe there is another exit somehow
5)there is a warper that spawns right outside, could be the problem

i was gonna test but gotta get ready for work

i forgot my liquid at base lol

[barren oar]

F

i forgot you can dislodge the base with the stasis bubble

oh this must be the solution then

||you dislodge the base so the tablet can now be picked up as it goes outside of the room, meaning you will no longer get trapped||

[trail ether]

are you serious

[barren oar]

in what world would this not be a serious solution

oh no ||anchor pods|| exploding move it a lot

the strategic placement of these explosives must also be a clue to the solution

unironically exploring a moving wreck is kinda fun since its constantly shifting around

though there isnt really a good way to implement that organically, because that'd imply it would stop moving at some point

...floater-supported wreck?

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/Yo95XmT.png

and for the same reason

[barren oar]

you were thinking of ||revamping it from a wreck at the bottom of the glass forest into a wreck that floats after breaking off||?

[trail ether]

no

[barren oar]

or just a proof of concept since it's already in the game and easy to work with

[trail ether]

what?

[barren oar]

proof of concept to think about the idea using the ||broken wreck segment|| because you already have it extracted out

[trail ether]

that was testing stuff for a new wreck

and struggling to find a way to convincingly suspend it

ancient floaters, by definition, do not make sense

[barren oar]

worst case scenario it could just be suspended by a conveniently strong wire only, allowing it one axis of rotation

[past geyser]

Lol just put a ton of little floaters on the bottom. Might keep the wreck a float

[barren oar]

and the constant rotation would just be some handwavey "creatures pass around it so currents form" ?? or so

[barren oar]

but you can pick those up

[past geyser]

You can just use the game object

Or for those destroy the pickup

[barren oar]

yeah and why could you not pick those up in particular and be able to pick up any other floater in the game

gotta come up with some sort of argument for it

[past geyser]

Just sene dressing

Like molded like barnacles

[barren oar]

oh just have scaled down ancient floaters lol and call them mature/adult floaters or so

they'd be too big to fit in your hand clearly

[trail ether]

it is not about the physics

it is about looking convincing

[barren oar]

then just put them on different sides of the wreck so there'd be an axis of rotation and a believable reason why it'd float in the same palce

[trail ether]

still does not make sense

the wrecks have been there days to weeks at most

[barren oar]

they grow bigger when consuming big fish like leviathans, so put them in a dangerous area

they just havent grown as much as ancient floaters, but they could very well have grown for a few months then attached to a wreck

then not being dead at the time of the player's arrival is exactly because there's such a small timeframe (because what nutrients could they extract from metal and/or rubber for the wire covering)

nothing stopping it from being a degasi wreck, either, which definitely came a lot earlier than the aurora because of how rusty their bases have become

[trail ether]

you are coming at this completely backwards

I do not think up a prop and then try to shoehorn it in somewhere

every prop is made to fulfill a defined purpose, which in most cases boils down to "come to this specific spot"

[barren oar]

does this floater prop not fulfill the purpose of "believable way for the wreck to float, when it would have fallen to the seafloor in a hour at most"

[karmic drum]

Yea. Yea I'm certain we all are. I am not a smart man most of the time 😅

[trail ether]

I am talking about the wreck itself

a wreck is not made for the sake of having a wreck

[barren oar]

ah

then the purpose is a fun wreck to explore lol

[trail ether]

so things like "put it somewhere dangerous" or "make it a degasi wreck" fundamentally miss the point

its provenance and location are the inputs

[trail ether]

that is not how C2C justifies contnet

[barren oar]

c2c already makes you visit every biome as-is so there really arent places to add much

simply spawn 60 ghost leviathans in an area, have the wreck be full of holes and require using it as cover so you dont get seen

ez

[trail ether]

then that just means there is no justification for new content

but there ARE still numerous minor places I wanted to add reasons to go

for example the ~300m grand reef caves

those narrow ones

lithogel was added recently as another such example - for those caves

as was glass coral

[barren oar]

cant say i know what you're referring to haha

[trail ether]

the ILZ has several areas i would like to prompt

as does the lower pipe room of the PCF

two more examples https://i.imgur.com/OVewn53.png

[barren oar]

how do you find these things

do you just fly around in noclip

[trail ether]

usually in the process of either playing or implementing something else

[barren oar]

i see

[worldly valve]

I should go back and rewviw reikas last tipa on tongue lillies

Imma make a base in every biome tonight i thinks

Tho i said that to myself and immedoately had a question

Am i harming myself by using pure titanium

Because pretty sure reiksa screen shots had glass a lot

Oh yeah, i made a base near the cascading lag spot || blood kelp trench|| still causes it

I put the base pretty high up this time too sadly

Oh eell its a temperary scanner room really, ill just move it later

[karmic drum]

I'm honestly suprised none of the active chatters here have it figured out yet. Either that or people have it figured out. And everyone's keeping the how a secret. In the case of the second scenario? That is incredibly based

If you figure out a hard progression point. Tell literally no one how

[worldly valve]

I havent bren doing it hahaha

My base has none

And i hate base buildinh

Soo been putting it off

Tho tbh i suspext it night have a bug still

[karmic drum]

Oh I love base building. I'm almost completely done building my offense to god himself in the bulb zone

Just gotta add an acu tower for ready food and I'll be good to go

Okay. So don't tell me what it is....

But is there a better method for collecting gaspods then doing it legitimately by hand?

[worldly valve]

I have an unconfirmed idea

[karmic drum]

Because I can never grab more than 2-3 of them before they pop

[worldly valve]

Sometimes i can get 4 lolol

[karmic drum]

I tried an item collector. That doesn't stop them from popping

[worldly valve]

Its not too bad by hand at least

Better than plat lolololol

[worldly valve]

Did you have a base woth boxes newrby

Item collector needs a box to tp the item to

Ah sorry

I said how

(Tho idk it will work)

[karmic drum]

No. It's fine. I should've remembered that about the IC

Though I'm not sure if that would even work

[worldly valve]

Im curio void

Have you done degasi deep base yet?

If yes dont say how

I have 2 or 3 ideas atm

Mostly involving not foegetting my gear at base

[karmic drum]

Not on any run so far

Well no. I did on my very first proper save. But I never completed it

[worldly valve]

Its the "puzzle" of it i need to solve

Da door

[karmic drum]

Nvm what I was asking about gas pods lol. I just got 20 some odd in less than 2 minutes

[worldly valve]

Yeah once you learn to svoid the death cloud it aknt so bad

[karmic drum]

If I bioprocess the chlorine instead of crafting it raw then that will last me for a good long while

[worldly valve]

Omg i forgot to do that

[karmic drum]

Even better once you get the suit. Which is what I'm working towards right now

[worldly valve]

I did some of the base bitch processing like that today

[worldly valve]

Oh yeah...im invincible now....herr i was dancing

[karmic drum]

Bro. You never craft an enzyme ingredient that you can just bp instead 😭

[karmic drum]

Pfft

[worldly valve]

Ehhh i been living off my last chlorine supply still. But i do want to bolter it some.more

I cant beliebe i played this mod at one point with no ez craft

Enzymes took hours😂😂😂😂😂

[karmic drum]

I also process my poop juice and chlorine in the bp

[karmic drum]

Wild to me honestly

[worldly valve]

Poo juice in the bp is the way

[worldly valve]

It is😂

[karmic drum]

Speaking of that. I gotta go get more shit

[worldly valve]

And a couple plat while there

[karmic drum]

Plat can wait. I'm stocking up on ingredients so I can make a nice amount of enzymes for this new base

Something to get me rolling

I think I've also got a silly idea as to how to increase the bases power consumption enough to actually allow for high power generation

[worldly valve]

I always grab a couple plat when there

Because i hate trying to get more then a couple plat at oncr

[karmic drum]

Literally just install shit like lights on your base. Or a sonar relay

Anything that consume less power than what you're currently making

So that you can maximize your output without hitting the overflow limit

[worldly valve]

I made my first auto farmer

It likes to grab everything that i cant use from it

[karmic drum]

That's another way to do it

They need crazy spacing though

If you want to use them effectively

[worldly valve]

Uts like, lemme prioritise bioproccessed shit over anything else

I know🥲

I put one beside my crowns feels all smart

[karmic drum]

Like you need one autofarmer per plant and they all need to be dummy far from one another

[worldly valve]

Shane i csnt build a garbage can outside for sll yhr shit it grabs

Well only certain plants need the farmer imo

[karmic drum]

Well one for every plant you need

[worldly valve]

Anything reauiring processing is pointless as you still need to interact with it and wont really save time

[karmic drum]

Is what I meant

[worldly valve]

So its really specifically the crafting plants

But ya

[karmic drum]

Man. I can't wait to get into fcs

But I feel like that's gonna be mid-late or late-end

Game tech with the c2c compat

Damn... I think I just found a premium enzyme peeper farm

Okay... I'm really fucking confused rn

Do I have to have either exclusively active or exclusively passive power in my base?

Because it seems like every time I have both

I.e. bio and thermal/solar

My base starts leaking power

Even if it isn't using any at all

[worldly valve]

Ive nbeen very uncertain of my obvservations

I thought it was to do eith rooms capping or not

So i split my batteries between my two bios

It feels likw the bios break if they and the banks hit cap

But last night i had one under that condition come back to life

I have solar panels but they are worthless

But sometimes i think they just work funny when i leave like 2km aeay

[karmic drum]

It's not the batteries. It's literally just power gen

And seemingly not even a distinction between active and passive

I went down to just two thermals. And then it broke cause I installed a fucking battery charge and started charging some batteries on top of the passive drain from the bp

Like I got this damn thing built almost 2 irl days ago

And I can't even do anything meaningful with it cause my fucking power won't stop tweaking out. I know I'm probably the one causing it to do that. But I don't know what the hell it is that I'm doing

[worldly valve]

My base is currently functioning fine mostly 2 just 2 bios powered mostly throigh occulus

Ive found its enough to generate close to 5k as i go on errands

[karmic drum]

Okay... so sleeping is banned apparently. Sleeping in the base seemingly causes all my thermals to stop working. And then I have to completely disassemble and reassemble them all to get to them working again

[worldly valve]

Ohhhhhh

I never used the sleeping room

Tho the healing aspects sounded nice

[karmic drum]

It wasn't the actual specialized room

I literally just had a bed

In the base

And sleeping broke my gens

Or it seemed to anyway

I need to test about some more

[karmic drum]

I probably go bio over thermal yea. Without a heat resistant suit I can't put them anywhere where the power gen is really efficient for the bp. But three or four bios outta be plenty

Wth....

All I did was go on a fucking errand

And it's leaking power again

Ok. I think I'm dumb

If I disassemble the bp before the gens

The issue corrects itself

The thermals are a little wacky for how my base is setup. And the base itself isn't supporting the power needed to maintain a bp

[worldly valve]

The bp onoy usses poeer when in use?

[karmic drum]

Maybe it's a hard mode thing. But it seems to be imposing a passive drain

And a fairly sizable one at that

[worldly valve]

I too am in hard mode

Unless my 2 1% solar panales are enought to nitigate that

Idk what you are talking about😅

Btw have you found efficiency?

[karmic drum]

No

[worldly valve]

I guess you still dont jave the recirc mask and maybe basic breathing

Its probably worth your time to get that sorted, i bet you have enough power

|| because i assume you have the technocally better efficiency||

[barren oar]

||...isnt bioprocessor efficiency post-lbs||

[karmic drum]

I have been trying to get it sorted.... but I needed to fix my fucking pwer bleeding first. Pretty hard to bp anything when the energy you're trying to stockpile kept leaking away

[worldly valve]

Its been that bad? Eeg

How many acus do you have,m

Those take powet yeah?

Whats yoir base composed of

[karmic drum]

I got it sorted. I think

I'm climbing rapidly in energy on 3 bios with the bp installed

[worldly valve]

Nice

Cool

[karmic drum]

Yup. Long as I don't messy anything up... I'll have the recirc mask crafted real soon

[worldly valve]

Siick

[karmic drum]

Nvm. Gotta make an az battery, which means I need to go deep into crashzone for a certain plant

[worldly valve]

|| Ive forgoyten which plant that is||

[karmic drum]

||eye flame||

[barren oar]

?? you use it for the batter ??

intriguing i'd completely forgotten

[karmic drum]

It's in the poly for the azurite battery yea

[barren oar]

but just plant it next time lol

[karmic drum]

I'm gonna plant it. I literally haven't gone down there yet

[barren oar]

my bad i thought its a common experience that you do there the moment you get the waypoint

just so you dont have to bother later

[karmic drum]

No. I ignored it to focus on other things

Since I knew there would be a substantial amount of time before I actually needed it

[barren oar]

meaning you could've had a planter's worth of them by now and not need to worry about not having enough but i get your point too

[karmic drum]

Fortunately now all I have to do is wait for that and the deep shrooms to grow

And I'll have everything for a battery

[barren oar]

first crafted from scratch im assuming?

[karmic drum]

Yes

[barren oar]

gg

[karmic drum]

For this run anyways

And after I get the first for this mask. Getting a few more for my tools will be a little painful at first. But not will be much easier after I get the suit

Oh. And ig there's also the seamoth upgrade

But I'm not freaking out over that rn

[barren oar]

oh right mask requires one huh

[karmic drum]

Yea

[barren oar]

its weird it takes a battery yet it doesnt consume it nor can you take it out

[karmic drum]

It's cause in It's description it says it's motorized

[barren oar]

i guess there just isnt a good way to do that though since you cant (easily) make an item both headwear and holdable in hotbar

[karmic drum]

I just want the mask for it's passive increase to my dive time. The actual ability to go deeper is just a cheeky bonus rn

[barren oar]

im not convinced it actually increases time at all ive seen nothing in code that would add the randomness you see with it on

since it sometimes takes more than 3 oxygen's worth of seconds in 3 seconds

oh actually that effect would occur if it changes it to 2.5 (or so) instead of 3 per 3s

I Think?

classic case of rounding making it look random

[worldly valve]

...you didnt grab the billion free powrr cells by the aurora?

Sir🥲

You crafted all them sir🥲

Sir

I could cry sir

[worldly valve]

Just rush suit

[worldly valve]

It def helps a bunch. Its a lot more noticable in hard mode too.

Grand reef wreck is a bit of a challenge

[barren oar]

you can prolly bring an oxygen pipe to the entrance for easy explore lol

pipes are still kinda op until you reach Breathing Lv2

[worldly valve]

They are often intendes

Well one of the intended

(I used 3 oxygen tanka rather than 2😂)

[karmic drum]

I've been using one tank for all my exploring thus far

Even for the 440m wreck in the grand reef

[worldly valve]

What was your strat for it?

To be fair i bet you brought your moth unlike me😂

Tho tjat really doesnt add that mucj explpration time down therw

[abstract knoll]

is it intended for the player to start with the Rock Crusher?

[karmic drum]

Moth lol

[karmic drum]

Nope. I just made trips

[karmic drum]

No lol.

That should not be unlocked

[abstract knoll]

Ok

Good

FYI I started with geyser filter unlocked

Lol

[karmic drum]

Yea none of that should come unlocked

So either you messed with something.

Or you need a new save

[worldly valve]

Are you on creative?

[abstract knoll]

Nope

survival

[worldly valve]

How far are you in?

That sounds like a very concerning issue

[abstract knoll]

river

with moth

no suit yet

[worldly valve]

What

What do you mean you are in the rivwr with the moth

[karmic drum]

Yea that makes no sense

The moth is sub it's needed depth to be there at mk2

And you can't make the mk3 without deep river/lava zone mats

[worldly valve]

Idk what you did but it sounds fuckered

I finished deep degasi. Ill add in an extra possibility that anyonr who had the dpor close simply ran inyo the hatch

I changed like evrything when i suceeded so dunno what change mattered

[worldly valve]

So i guess what om saying the final possibilty is tgat everyone is cray cray

[abstract knoll]

no?

no?

all of these I attained via diving for them?

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/mFdKJ2p.jpeg

[karmic drum]

New item?

I could easily see that becoming a new addition to a multitude of bases

[karmic drum]

My bad. I mistook it for another recipe

[abstract knoll]

no problem

the ||mk4|| needs lava zone materials

[worldly valve]

No hard suit?

Or sealed suit

Because i thought you meant sealed suit tbh

[karmic drum]

I can't imagine going to the LR without the sealed suit tbh

[worldly valve]

...i guess you technically can but...

Youd need nanowraps lololol

[karmic drum]

Also compared to the regular almost nonexistent progression of subnautica.... the LR being early game content is mind boggling

Like I am going to have actual weeks worth of time in this save

And be playing it for so long that it will probably be on 2.0 by the time I am done 🤣

[worldly valve]

It does speed up once you get past the river.....

Tho lava zone was made a lot harder i believe

I only messed around the tinyest bit there

I was in river for my last file...but i had a suoer ultra mega wall of death lag from my 4 days of play time due to something pre fix

[flint aspen]

Have the ||amoeboid creepvines ||been patched out? I can no longer plant them for some reason...

[worldly valve]

They were farmable?