SeaToSea

[pine ginkgo]

oml

I just found something quite funny but im not gonna say anything

discord needs to add viewing permissions to messages I swear

[errant cairn]

fr

[pine ginkgo]

theres a specific mechanic thats been discussed heavily the last couple days

and I figured something out

but obviously im not gonna tell

[viral saffron]

theres some kinda glitch (idk what causes it) that makes the ||poison from the phytoplankton permanent||, it goes away when you enter a base thankfully but I have died when I left, swam through it, realized its not going away and then it was too late

[pine ginkgo]

I lied my findings were a dead end

[viral saffron]

aaand just died to this again

amazing

[pine ginkgo]

Yea

It happens to me sometimes

You just gotta be fast enough to realize it and get back into your base and save

Its tough though cause it seems like the effect stacks id you have the permanent one and walk into a cloud so it kills you super fast

[viral saffron]

damn just got a free decoy tube upgrade and a engine efficency module from a time capsule

not the best one I've gotten but I will 100% take it cus I'm sure those things are 10x more expensive in this mod lol

honestly, hard mode should disable time capsules all together

or filter them even more than they already are so its only "useless" stuff like the decorations

[viral saffron]

this fucking glitch honestly makes me wanna not play the game, it has killed me so many times now

[willow fox]

Why do we need a function to disable respawn or re-enter the world without exiting the game?

It seems like this didn't happen before

[worldly valve]

?

[bitter kraken]

Because SML Helper (and Nautilus, by extent) can cause massive issues if you reenter a world without fully exiting the game

From small bugs to save breaking ones
And because C2C is a massive mod, i would guess that many things would break with that

[karmic drum]

Yup. The bigger the mod. The lower the stability potential

[barren oar]

nautilus mods having this issue is just skill issue and bad practice on their part

[willow fox]

I don't quite understand what Nautilus has to do with it, if this mod is for the legacy version

[bitter kraken]

Im just pointing this out for future reference, this issue still persists on the modern libraries

[pine ginkgo]

Theres gotta be something Im missing with the tonguelillies, Ive got them right on top of my base plankton and Ive also got some on some plankton in the crag fields and still nothing

[flint aspen]

just accept the salt roulette 😂

Is there a rule to which carnivores 💩 the most? 😅

Or which conditions make them defecate the most?

[pine ginkgo]

I really wanna figure out the lillies though

[flint aspen]

havent heard of a single person that made it work though so it might just simply be impossible...

[pine ginkgo]

I guess thats the fun of it though

but idk if it hasnt been discovered or if its genuinely broken

[willow fox]

aaand let's get back to the main course

[trail ether]

it is not

I used it exclusively

[willow fox]

this doesn't count

[trail ether]

yes, it does

it means it works

[viral saffron]

do the ||seamoth depth module data chips|| only spawn after a specific event? I cannot find them at all in my new save

also, just, an idea, maybe try using them in the biome you picked them from? ||the mushroom forests||

the lillies I mean

[karmic drum]

That is.... exactly what that means 😂

Or are we just gonna ignore how quality and well desgined the rest of c2c is. To justify your argument

[willow fox]

I didn't say anything about "the rest of it". Maybe you should work on hitboxes or update the documentation on your site instead of arguing about who's right and who's wrong?

[viral saffron]

I dont get it, they just are NOT here

are the spots randomized?

[willow fox]

I couldn't find ||temperature increase chip||, maybe they will spawn after a certain event (or you should restart the game)

[pine ginkgo]

So to be clear, there is a step beyond just ||having the lillies in the plankton that everyone is missing?||

[willow fox]

as far as I know, you also need a "very lucky location"™

[pine ginkgo]

well ive tested two, although I dont know if the base plankton works

[pine ginkgo]

well ig jus thing what ab what biomes it could spawn in that would be considered mineral rich

[worldly valve]

Sis you listen to maidas voice log

[worldly valve]

Sometimes falls into floor

[worldly valve]

Bioems are important...i think

There is some really good data 2 or 3 months ago in this server

[willow fox]

||Red grass, crag field, sea traders path, dunes||

[pine ginkgo]

Ive tested two of those…Im thinking treaders path next, think of all the materials they toss up when moving

Ive honestly never seen plankton there though

[trail ether]

generally no

[pine ginkgo]

Gotcha so Im assuming its going to be biome related

[trail ether]

while biome plays a critical role, it is not biome-related in the way you are interpreting

[pine ginkgo]

hmm

I suppose I will still test in the sea treaders path

My main base is in the southern grassy plateaus right next to kelp forest and Ive done just about all I can think of with the lillies/plankton there

plankton is right on top of it here

weve got these two SS as well

what perplexes me is the purple plankton which ive only seen when I try to scoop it

[karmic drum]

I always consider that to mean it was in an activated state. Or that it was being collected

[pine ginkgo]

Yea so what gives it that state other than collection

Im going to try something that might be immensely stupid but ig we'll see

im not entirely sure what these are in the growbed behind the lillies

ok I thought of another idea but Im not sire how to go about it

[worldly valve]

Do you have debug mod?

[pine ginkgo]

no

[willow fox]

Reika said that this means that the plankton is taking damage, that is, the lilies are collecting it

@pine ginkgo you're just repeating the path we've already taken, scrolling back a few days

[pine ginkgo]

Ah alright

Something must be activating the lillies then?

Not sure

For a minute I thought volcanic traces might do something, I thought its a bit weird they’re only used for one thing (plasteel), and their texture just looks like a redder tungsten grains, and it makes sense that they could be “filtered”

But I don’t think they have anything to do with it

[karmic drum]

The other method seems fine to me imo. It takes more infrastructure. But it can be done

[pine ginkgo]

For sure, but I really wanna figure this one out

[pine ginkgo]

Ok I give up for now

Also tested in sparse reef

I was thinking it had something to do with sunlight and depth so I tested it at around 35m and still nothing

[pine ginkgo]

It seems like the game outright tells you if its not possible inna certain area, Ive gotten something like “not enough xyz in this area for filtering”

[trail ether]

yes

[worldly valve]

Ill put the debug mod uo for you randal

My hard mode playthrough has been pretty fast, just shy of 10 hours in. Im sure it coukd be better and faster but eh

My base isnt very big, tho im mostly just collecting techs

But i habe most the earlyish game tech

Next on my hit list is sealed fabric

Then ill probably go on a seamoth building escapade

I nay take a side trip to see if a certain thing is still cheesable

[worldly valve]

i know void specifically said they liked dupe scans not showing,...but i kinda miss it. easy titanium

[karmic drum]

a part of the floating islands wreck has spawned in the safe shallows. after I already explored it...

is my save done for?

Oh. Actually it's literally the whole wreck 😭

[willow fox]

just ignore all objects at zero coordinates

[worldly valve]

that spot has progressively gotten ugger it feels

[worldly valve]

i need to make the laser cutter already lol

but its hard needed for || sealed fabric||

few others things too but things i dont need

mostly been base building last bit

got a few techs

i need to get a 4th bio frag, and then iguess build my moth lol

[karmic drum]

Oh I got my laser cutter pretty early on in this hardcore lol

Like the first ten hrs

And the moth just a bit after that

Just got bladder fish and peeper ACU's setup

[worldly valve]

why a peeper acu?

[karmic drum]

||and actually found the rock crusher this time||

[worldly valve]

noice

[karmic drum]

Because I don't felt like it. They have good food value

[worldly valve]

my playthrough has largely been grabbing techs n shit so far.

seamoth scoop wreck worked

which was nice

i actually havent been using ultra highs anbd im noticing it now

||my other issue with sealed fabric is that massive o2 loss||

[karmic drum]

I have to break down the plants

I don't wanna

I've been grabbing loads of tech since I learned about the scanner rooms

But I wanna also take time to setup bases and expand my shallows base

Rn I'm working on getting auto farmers setup

[worldly valve]

if you save outside the wreck

sometimes it works on reload

gl on auto farmers

[willow fox]

listen, i'm not a professional programmer, tell me, is it technically possible to create a working c2c port to work in conjunction with nitrox?

[worldly valve]

no idea myself

i can tell you reika is now working on it

oh wait

nitrox

multiplayer?

theoretically...

ive even heard of people getting it to work with story events but

i dont reccomend it

[trail ether]

well this is a first

[trail ether]

noone is to be making "ports" of C2C for any reason

[willow fox]

why?

[karmic drum]

Because those are her permissions

On her intellectual property

[willow fox]

I saw a whole server with mods where the build has c2c, but it doesn't work properly

[karmic drum]

I saved in my base. The only thing that's ever consistent at zero cord across saves is the rouge lightning spark and floating bits of land

[willow fox]

does it make sense if I don't get any financial benefit from it?

[karmic drum]

Yes. Because she doesn't allow ports. Because she's a focused creator with a very specific version of the mods. And she doesn't care how many people play it as long as she makes it the way she envisions

[karmic drum]

Not everyone opperates off money

[willow fox]

I'm not an American and I don't know much about all this "intellectual property" stuff, but personally it seems like some kind of nonsense to me, what will stop me if I theoretically change the code and create forks?

[karmic drum]

It's called she can legally have them taken off any registered platform that's what

Anyways I'm gonna block you now. You're insensitive and annoying

[willow fox]

I'm just asking, no negativity

[worldly valve]

are you asking legally, morally, ethically and context

laglese pretty sure no one ehre can acttually give advise on, would reccomend legal forums for that

ethically and morally i think is less clear cut

mods are already derivatives

but there can be legal reason to protect the derivitive work, not commenting on those directly merely that they exist

if you were to privately mod the mod, theres nothing anyone could do if you dont ever host it and whatnot

but you are potentially opening cans of worms, from social dillemmas to legal dilemmas

im more of the side of your end if we are talking philosphically

but this world doesnt run on ideals

(though i would like to randomly plug in the travesty of the online digital library getting killed this year. such hogwash)

(or was it last year?)

[trail ether]

copyright is not an "american" concept

[trail ether]

and likely the uploader's account with it

and if you keep doing it, that is when you start looking at fines and in some cases even jail time

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-42/page-14.html

(2.1) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (2) is liable

(a) on conviction on indictment, to a fine of not more than $1,000,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years or to both; or

(b) on summary conviction, to a fine of not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months or to both.```

[trail ether]

frankly I do not buy that you do not know about "this intellectual property stuff" because of being non-American, but because you are an entitled little child who struggles to accept being told you cannot have something, and probably spend a lot of time online in circles where this entitlement is not just rampant but vaunted as a social good, where the idea of ownership of something (but never that of the people saying this, of course) is framed as some kind of social parasitism

[past geyser]

Also making it work with nitrox would be pretty much impossible you would have to modify the nitrox server to run like c2c with all it's modifications and that would be some kind of undertaking .c2c modifies a ton of code that the server wouldn't run correctly

[viral saffron]

aaaaanyways, uh, how the hell do I get the ||data chips for the seamoth depth module|| to spawn? I thought if I just went and got the "free" one from the aurora that would make them spawn, but nothing has so far, even with a maxed out scanner room inside the ||jellyshroom caves||

and I've went all over in there to make sure I actually loaded them in

[trail ether]

is other worldgen appearing

[worldly valve]

Dis you listen to the maids voice log about seamoth from cave? Idk if it affevts anything

But afaik the chips only scan after you grabbed 1

I could be wrong tho

[viral saffron]

I should probably find the actual base

[viral saffron]

I dont remember there ever being a maida voicelog about a seamoth

[worldly valve]

What base?

[worldly valve]

Listen to the degassi logs

[viral saffron]

the ||desgasi base? in the mushroom caves?||

[viral saffron]

I thought I had listened to them all

[worldly valve]

There is one where maida talks about the moth

[viral saffron]

the only logs I've ever gotten were the degasi logs, bart logs and paul logs

never just maida

I just found a timecapsule right near lifepod 17, I've only really seen them in the dunes and mushroom forest

theres actual art in this one???

lol

thats really good art god damn

[worldly valve]

So i suspect

You have pdas to find in jelly cave

[pine ginkgo]

Im still trying to figure out the lillies

[worldly valve]

Scan room should be licking them up

Im almost there...tho i think i nees to make a new base so i have base plankton lol

Use your comppeted biome thingy

[pine ginkgo]

I may fold and just do the other method

but I really do want to figure out the lillies

[viral saffron]

theeeeere we go, found maidas log

[karmic drum]

You don't have to find them

The chips spanwed for me right away

Or maybe I did...?

[worldly valve]

Im not sure

[karmic drum]

I think having the scanner room actually down in the caves might be messing with something

I always keep my base just above the cave

[viral saffron]

and it still wont show up on my scanner room

[karmic drum]

And load it with range upgrades

[viral saffron]

that is INSIDE the caves, with 3 range upgrades

[karmic drum]

Try putting it on the surface instead

[viral saffron]

I have one on the surface, my base is right above it basically

[karmic drum]

Scanner rooms also don't update their data automatically

[worldly valve]

Pdas dont show up in your scanner room?

[karmic drum]

Sometimes it just takes a while to register

[viral saffron]

yes they do, and so do the data chips

[karmic drum]

They show up in mine

[viral saffron]

at least LAST time they did

[worldly valve]

Was mwant to be a question mark

Im unsure if this will change anything

But find the maida pda and play it

It might be a trigger

Akin to sunbeam rewuiring something of the moth built for crash to happen

[viral saffron]

still nothing

I did listen to it

[worldly valve]

Weird.

[pine ginkgo]

@karmic drum did you ever test the lillies in the void

[worldly valve]

||so the data cards are in the jelly cave. One is kinda easy the find, the other two not so...its plausible they have spawned in the ground as well. Could be worth deactivating collision and checking

[trail ether]

with ExS they do

[trail ether]

and I reiterate

[worldly valve]

The , was meant to be a ?

[worldly valve]

But ya also do that world gen thing. You do kinda need to know the locations for collision detection to be good

[errant cairn]

Aka check water currents

The ones you know exist

[worldly valve]

Oh right

Dumbass ducks 5 minutes from now

This is your reminder to put up the debug mod for peoples

Dumb dumb

Now give yourself gum gum

[worldly valve]

oi

it' dangerous to form tungsten lillies on your own

take this

[pine ginkgo]

what exactly should I be looking for w it

[worldly valve]

showcolliders

its gonna be messy tho\

your base will light up like a thousand galaxies

[pine ginkgo]

it already looks like this after moving around for 5 minutes anyways

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[worldly valve]

luls

[karmic drum]

I'm gonna not. That feels like cheesing the system

[pine ginkgo]

thats what im thinking but ive already switched to the dark side of getting tungsten

[worldly valve]

its not so bad tbh

especially if you have had passive salt generation from water

am in vc for a few

[karmic drum]

I gotta crash for the night

Never even got back on today

[worldly valve]

rest well

it feels like bioreactors also got nerfed or something

i made a bio with a bunch of banks

but my power isnt going up:/

[worldly valve]

Totes fair, it was more for randal atm tbh

I feel based on reikas responses to him he earned it

[pine ginkgo]

im gonna assume this multipurpose room shape around the lillies is the collection radius

[viral saffron]

sorry, completely missed this before, but yes, other worldgen stuff is working fine, I just cannot find the data chips. I honestly might just unlock it manually and move on since everything else is working fine

not that I know how to do that

[pine ginkgo]

Ive found a plankton cloud

Ive definitely had them touch many times before though

so Im not sure where Im going wrong

[viral saffron]

I genuinely dont, does anyone know how?

[pine ginkgo]

nope

probably just Reika

are you 100% sure theyre just not there? the last 2 are genuinely very difficult to find

[viral saffron]

also idfk what is happening with the lillies, I had some in my save before and they also had 0%, I just forgot about them there

[viral saffron]

they dont show up on the scanner room, I have searched EVERY spot with camera drones, I just, cannot find it

[pine ginkgo]

I think you're underestimating how hidden they are

[viral saffron]

I've found them before

[pine ginkgo]

they took forever to show up on my scanner room

[viral saffron]

I did a save before and restarted

after this I am never coming back to these stupid jelly caves ever again

I mean, it MIGHT be fcs fucking with stuff since I added that since last time but I doubt it

[worldly valve]

did you get worlgen?

tusnami

check*

check worldgen

oh you did

orry

[viral saffron]

yes I checked, water currents and stuff are working fine

other than not pushing vehicles but they never did that anyways

[karmic drum]

It's not that. I have fcs

Also the cameras probably aren't gonna help a lot. They're tiny

[worldly valve]

well if you found em before, there is the one that should be "easy" to locate now

relatively speaking

[viral saffron]

I literally have the entire jellyshroom caves in my scanner room

I can even see the blood kelp from here

[worldly valve]

||do you remember the tiny ass cave under the jellyshrrom where the one card is? shouldnt need a scanner room to find that again ||

[viral saffron]

yes but I cant find that area because I'm blind lmao

[worldly valve]

well sir

godspeedc

[viral saffron]

seaglide map will be my only hope

[worldly valve]

i mean here is a thought

you could come back to it

you don really need the seamoth for awhile

[viral saffron]

I wanna get the fcs stuff and I dont wanna go 300 meters back and forth every time for air

also other stuff

I just wanna use my dumb little submarine

wait, no, I DID find the little cave I'm pretty sure

but theres just

nothing in here

yea

it just didn't spawn

welp

I'm not restarting again

I give up

[karmic drum]

||Reika moved the 3 data boxes you need to get the mod started. I'm not sure to where. But all that's down in that structure rn is just the PDA||

||edit:fcs is fairly gated in c2c||

[worldly valve]

you could spawn in the mk 1

[viral saffron]

yea I'll probably just do that

[worldly valve]

...

crashed on me

sadness

i was atr 16/17 frg

[karmic drum]

😭

What were you scanning for?

[worldly valve]

purp turts

i got em now

[karmic drum]

Ah. I've never had the game crash on me running c2c before

I gotta go and get frags though

I'm already farming all the plants and other mats

Put a recon base just off the coast of the island relative to the underwater islands

So now I have everything on that side

Still need to put one on the other side of the island though

Maybe I'll do that before I do the grand reef. Cause there's a ton of good loot in that biome

Just bring some creature decoys and medkits with me cause reapers

As dying... literally isn't an option for me

[worldly valve]

LULS YEAH

yeah i got stuiff growing in my base too

im actually a bitsad where i pt my base, i misjudged something

[worldly valve]

Also no plankton

[karmic drum]

I died because I forgot to pause when I got up. Now I have to load a 5 day old backup because I forgot to make a new backup

[karmic drum]

Literally 15mins into the save 😭

[pine ginkgo]

Doesnt loading a hardcore backup kind of ruin the point of hardcore

Unless its from an actual game issue

[worldly valve]

I think hes calling bullshit clause lol

Ive done tjat in things

[karmic drum]

Yea. I got up while swimming and forgot to pause

It wasn't like I died actually playing the game and messed up

But in this case the save is basically reset

[unreal flame]

yeah you can put any image you want in the folder where they're stored and then use it for a time capsule

[patent nimbus]

What is a microfilter😭 🙏

[worldly valve]

Ha

I know that feeling lol

Just keep looking wide for now. What biomes have you completed?

[patent nimbus]

ive completed the west grass plateau, underw degasi base, kelp forest, mush tree, jelly shroom, floatin island, and east grass plateau

which i guess leaves a lot i can explore but its just kinda harder to explore

[worldly valve]

I recomend 2 ultra high capacity tanks

[patent nimbus]

right i forgot you can do that

[worldly valve]

You have finisjed both grassy plateaus?

I think one should be unfinished atm...

[karmic drum]

||also put an azurite battery in your seaglide. It helps a lot||

[karmic drum]

One is definitely unfinished if he hasn't found it

[patent nimbus]

the southern ones not finished

east west are tho

[worldly valve]

Oh there are three grassy?

Jeezr lol

[patent nimbus]

yeah

[worldly valve]

Ehy do i think there is only2 😂😂😂

Its fine lol

Well you also still have some upper biomes to do, keep going wide

Scanning rooms on biome corners is really strong

|| have you gotten all your purple tab frags?||

[patent nimbus]

8/17

[worldly valve]

They kinda suck to get em all, esepcialy becausr the pathfinder sucks ass on land

[karmic drum]

I tired to put a scanner room on the deeper side of the mountain biome before I made my oopise. But I couldn't close enough to ole reapers peepers to pick up any of the good stuff

Or rather I didn't want to try cause hardcore

Even though I brought creature decoys and flares so I could attempt to navigate around them safely

[patent nimbus]

||are lysing enzymes the only way to get hydrochloric acid?||

[worldly valve]

|| its one of your barriers||

[patent nimbus]

ah

[karmic drum]

Yup yup. That's a gate to a lot of mod

[patent nimbus]

no perimeter defense for seamoth then

[karmic drum]

Ima tell you rn. That is not gonna be as good as you'd think it would

You can pretty much skip the upgrade entirely

[patent nimbus]

oh lol

[worldly valve]

Tbh your azure seaglide is often better than the moth

People like to tell ne about "the inventory space"

And the "air bubble"

And im all

"Guys you can literally go from lifepod 15 to the dunes with 2 ultra highs and have air to spare"

I do lose some time with my resurfacing, but moth bpys lose time from being super slow, fiddling with inventory management(whike out and then back at base when you run back an forth), and worst of all in this mod

Bone sharks

[pine ginkgo]

Petition for azurite power cell for seamoth 🙏

||Ok well I finally got all the tungsten I needed, now I need to figure out how Im supposed to get sulfur when the nodes are under the brine||

[karmic drum]

That would be far too op

[pine ginkgo]

Yea fair

[karmic drum]

Yea... the pda entry doesn't tell me anything on how to make them buzz off. Except for maybe pop a flair

And if I'm getting out of my moth to do that

I'm already wasting time

[worldly valve]

Which method?

Dis you manage ti get the colliders to align?

[errant cairn]

||Azurite|| Repulsion cannon. Play Seamoth Tower Defense for 5 (or more) minutes and you should be good

[karmic drum]

I can still get off better with the seaglide

[errant cairn]

But portable oxygen generator

Dont have to go to the surface for oxygen

Sure Super Seaglide but that's preserved in the moth

[karmic drum]

Look. Until I get to the LQ breathing stage.... I'm not really using the moth like that

[errant cairn]

I didn't even use my moth then cause of lack of depth

[karmic drum]

[errant cairn]

Didnt get mk2 and all even though I had the blueprint

Yes bluepring. (i can english i swear)

[karmic drum]

Well last time I got LQ breathing. It felt like my max divetime went from 180's... to 45

And that was with. Infection treatment

[errant cairn]

saaaaaame

[karmic drum]

Apparently I was missing an upgrade for my bioprocessor or something

[errant cairn]

saaaaaame

[karmic drum]

So the moth was essential for not suffocating

[errant cairn]

Another one or you just never upgraded?

[karmic drum]

Also how the hell do you eat with that?

[karmic drum]

I never got any upgrades for my BP

[errant cairn]

Ah. I should have gotten mk2. ||I got mk3 cause the hyper aggressive reaper didn't spawn||

[errant cairn]

Ah. Suggestion: Where haven't you been in a certain biome? 2. You missed a plant

[errant cairn]

||tbh I rarely saw 2 in that save||

[errant cairn]

Idk. Inject food particles into the system???

[karmic drum]

Yea. I clearly missed something. Cause the LQ solution I was mixing up. Wasn't good for crap

[errant cairn]

Oh no this time I'm not talking about the LQ Breathing. You've stared right at it and missed the BP upgrade

Well. "Upgrade" isn't the right term. "Efficiency item" is the more correct term

Like irl is the last hint I'll give

[karmic drum]

||is it the shit you make with the deep vines?||

[errant cairn]

||wow how'd you figure it out||

[karmic drum]

||mother fuc- I read the description on the item. But never figured out how to experiment with putting it to use. And I was growing those at my base with that save too 😭 😭 😭||

||so what's it do?||

[errant cairn]

||Shove it in there and find out ||

||And leave it in there I'll be nice to tell you||

[karmic drum]

||gonna be like a month before I get there 😭 I just lost a whole hardcore save because I forgot to pause my game when I got up 💀. I think I'll stick to just doing hardmode ||

[errant cairn]

Also you can swear. No one here gives a fuck

[errant cairn]

[karmic drum]

Ok. This filter has been a bitch to me

[errant cairn]

[karmic drum]

And I only ever made that one backup that was 15 mins in

[errant cairn]

imagine making save back ups

I only ever backed up my save once cause I added FCS

Oh and I'm actually gonna restart it cause this current FCS save is just grind for 50+ hours

[karmic drum]

For hardcore it's oopsie. Like you died to something that wasn't gameplay related and you being dumb

[errant cairn]

real

[karmic drum]

You think it's bad with regualr fcs?

||reika moved the data boxes you need to get started ||

And I don't know where

[errant cairn]

I love C2C. I've gotten FAR into understanding FCS

[errant cairn]

Actually nah. I don't feel like resetting one more time. Depending on how many hours I already poured into that save

[worldly valve]

I think its full tine with the treatment...maybe im wrong

I also havent done it with hard mode yet

[worldly valve]

?

Oh i know

But it doesnt do what you said

||the gel "doubles" effieciency. But by double, i mean it doubles output, it also now takes less power. Its fucking way better than double||

[pine ginkgo]

yep directly on top of each other and nothing

so I just did the salt

[worldly valve]

The salts not so bad

[pine ginkgo]

No not at all

[trail ether]

if you think i was tired the last time i was out all day...

today i got up at 5:45 and got home at 22:45

[worldly valve]

ooofty

[errant cairn]

i love the save button + warnings

they're my favorite at preventing 15+ minutes lost

per death

[errant cairn]

@trail ether is it entirely possible to get the ||nanolathing drone|| scan/blueprint/whatever from the ||sunbeam debris||?

[worldly valve]

Pretty sure no

Tho i intend to make my vwhicle uograde console before i finish making my seamoth lol

[errant cairn]

same

seamoth is worthless with ||[REDACTED]||

[worldly valve]

Tje only downside to my shecanery is the lack of sunbeam debris

[trail ether]

no

[errant cairn]

ok just checking cause i already unlocked those

[viral saffron]

ok jsut made a creative world, no changes in mods or anything, and the ||seamoth depth data chip was in that tiny cave right there||

so my other save is just broken

hell yeah

might have something to do with me switching between legacy and 2.0 to play this VR mod but... probably not?

[errant cairn]

Oh absolutely

Unless you uninstalled QModManager/kept both versions completely separate

I literally have two different folders in my files for both builds

[viral saffron]

great so how many more things are broken

[errant cairn]

Check water currents

That will tell you

Go to like...||the mountains caves||...are any of them there? I'm sure you've been there...right?

[viral saffron]

you literally watched me go through there one time, remember?

lol

[viral saffron]

went to the bulb zone caves, the water currents are working fine

I guess its just the depth module

[vocal pulsar]

is it normal that ecocean is lagging my game when I have 375 other mods

I say lagging

its putting it down at 30 fps

which is kinda pissing me off

[worldly valve]

375 other mods lol

Are you just using eco ocean or are you using full c2c?

[viral saffron]

ok other things like the little growbed near ||lifepod 6|| are gone too

lol

[vocal pulsar]

I'm using all the sea2sea mods except for sea2sea itself

specifically the dunes is super super laggy

[viral saffron]

oh my fucking god

[worldly valve]

Turn off bloom lol

[worldly valve]

Could you desctibe the lag? Dies it get worse slowly over time?

[vocal pulsar]

nope

[worldly valve]

Do you have any particulate filters running?

[vocal pulsar]

its mostly just

not at all

it was also pretty laggy in the floating islands

[worldly valve]

|| any bases built near survivor bases?||

[viral saffron]

for me the mushroom forests always lag so much

[worldly valve]

Mushroom forest makes a bit o sense

[vocal pulsar]

are those in non sea2sea?

im not using sea2sea

[viral saffron]

cus of all the falling shit

[worldly valve]

Oh not using seatosea sorry

Im unsurr tbh

Normally if its more dirextly c2c these are my trouble shooting issues😅

With 375 other mods my knowlefge probably isnt helpful

People wouod need your logs to help i thinks

(Pastebin it)

[viral saffron]

oh god

I hope the sunbeam wreckage is still there

[viral saffron]

floating islands might be because of ||piezo crystals||

[vocal pulsar]

definitely

[flint aspen]

Is there a limit to how many camera drones can be on a map?

Nvm just found out that they arent heat resistent... 😅

[trail ether]

lag

[worldly valve]

Hey, anyone here have troubles deconstruxting acus?

Larian has run into a big, cant decontstruct an empty acu

[flint aspen]

If nothing else works you can use building tweaks

[worldly valve]

Good idea but didnt work

Is there a setting or key needed?

[barren oar]

enable the override

G i think is the default key

[abstract knoll]

Question for Alterra Hub Compatibility, Should I use the Alterra Hub Suite or Individual mod downloads?

[bitter kraken]

Its the same thing so use either

[abstract knoll]

ight

thanks

[abstract knoll]

so uh

small error

help i guess?

[pine ginkgo]

Im not sure how compatible FCS and seatosea are

youd have to ask Reika though

[abstract knoll]

huh

also i found a bug

maybe?

the liquid breathing tank kills you without the mask even in creative

[unreal flame]

Should be fully compatible

[unreal flame]

Not really a bug

[abstract knoll]

ah

so another question

can anyone else repair the || data box by life pod 9?||

because when i try to i just buffers and resets

[abstract knoll]

so is the || Depth upgrade Mk1 a data box or scrap piece or what? ||

[trail ether]

I fixed this, a long time ago

[abstract knoll]

ah

guess im cursed?

[abstract knoll]

well now my save might be borked

because now it wont load for some reason

no new added mods

[pine ginkgo]

seatosea messes with progression quite a bit such that certain things like the MK1 are achieved in a different way

as for the databox you do need to repair it

its not tricking you

your repair tool just may not be powerful enough

[abstract knoll]

oooooh

so theres a data card i may or may not need

[worldly valve]

hum

i thought mk 2 was what triggers sunbeam crash

[abstract knoll]

so uh...

any hints?

have encountered another databox

cannot repair it

[pine ginkgo]

Have you been to the QEP yet?

[abstract knoll]

yes

i have the || Red Tablet ||

and purple tablet

currently trying to collect samples for cultivation of plants required\

[abstract knoll]

have been to the QEP but not inside it yet

[pine ginkgo]

Well theres something to do with the mountain island that will help your repair question

You likely havent found it yet

[abstract knoll]

ah

ok

thanks

welll

my seamoth may be

alittle bit

in danger

I SAVED IT

i hate the reaper so much

[pine ginkgo]

The solution to the repair tool thing is actually something thats essential to progression in general

[worldly valve]

I think mk 2 does trigger it, that or lifepod 19

Maybe it has multiple triggers

Sunbeam debrei had no issues spawning

But sometimes takes a min to load in

For no reason i will try to clear it lolol

[abstract knoll]

k

so uh

i need some help

whever i try to load into my save

my game gets to 90% load completion at 9s and then crashes to desktop

should i upload the crash log from Qmod and Bepinex?

[worldly valve]

i cant really help[ with it i dont think but you should pastebin it yes

[abstract knoll]

?

i am not very familiar with pastebins

[worldly valve]

mmm i cant remember a good one offhand atm

but its a thingthat will let you dump your pasta

google one

progably dont use the top result or two

[abstract knoll]

k

know if this one is anygood https://pastebin.com/ ?

that is my Crash Error file

ill also include my Player crash file

ah

apparently I cant

paste too large

greater than 512KB i think

[abstract knoll]

other worlds loa

load

mine just

doesnt

uh

Nvm i guess??

it just loaded

i think it might have been because i have oprea GX open on my second monitor

maybe it didnt have enough ram?

i have 32g

[abstract knoll]

welp wasnt that

now its decided to crash again

-\('_')/-

twas a map mod i think

[toxic crown]

hey uh

is nautilus out for 2.0

now

[bitter kraken]

Has been for at least like 2 years now, but its in pre-release state. You can use it, but pre-release means that there might be changes, significant or not, till the full release
If reika plans to update C2C to 2.0 then im sure that she is waiting for the full release

[toxic crown]

Oh lol

Thought this mod is in 2.0 now

[worldly valve]

where di you hear that?

[abstract knoll]

ok so ive gotten into the QEP

ive || upgraded my laser cutter ||

is this what your refering to or nay?

[pine ginkgo]

No

Have you found a broken battery of the non-typical kind

Also man how outdated is your mod if you’re already in the QEP?

[worldly valve]

Unfortunately thats the bas laser cuttwr upgrade

[abstract knoll]

ok

so

i need an || azurite Battery right ||

i see

i have done testing

thank you very much

[flint aspen]

sometimes when doing the ||salt roulette|| i somehow get copper... is that normal? 😅

[worldly valve]

i think so

unsure

[flint aspen]

i just got lead and rare elements xD

i guess its just random sometimes

[abstract knoll]

So im at a wreck

and it just wont let me repair a door

[barren oar]

supposedly, you can fix it by killing the tiger plant nearby

[abstract knoll]

cant tell if thats a joke or not

but seamoths were made for saving

[barren oar]

its a fix ive seen floating around

[abstract knoll]

ight

[barren oar]

ive never tried it on account of not knowing about it until i'd switched back to the 2.0 branch so i cant confirm whether it truly works

[flint aspen]

There is one other door i know of that can/has to be opened another way but in your case i think its a known issue. If nothing else works just *warpforward *

[abstract knoll]

yea

i just used warp

question

i have the plankton scoop

but i cant seem to collect the plankton

i know they are photoplankton

ive scanned them

but i cant seem to collect them

any ideas?

nvm

[flint aspen]

i guess you already noticed that it turns red while being collected

[abstract knoll]

yeeeep

also

LETS GO

time for another backup

[flint aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-gif-17983297559533351755

at this point i would rather shoot myself than start again... 😅

[abstract knoll]

HOLY

[viral saffron]

no prawn yet after 13 DAYS, god damn

that seems accurate for how late I'll get it probably lmao

[flint aspen]

funnily enough ive just gotten my moth depth module mk4 and all ressources for the prawn yesterday just before falling asleep 😄 it only took 13 days 🤣

[flint aspen]

my nuclear reactor just ate two water cooled fueling rods and they were immediately depleted without giving any energy... is there something i forgot?

[abstract knoll]

oooof

[abstract knoll]

HOLY SHIT

i think the sonar ping

may just piss of reapers

just had to deal with 3

he angy

i love glitches

i just discovered a way to repair my seamoth

from inside my seamoth

acoustic dampening what's that?

just out repair the reapers

[round vessel]

can it outrepair ||the fuckers in the void spikes|| that refuse to lose agro for 3mins

[flint aspen]

live footage after activating the sonar in c2c... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve3VsOMAgNY&list=RDVe3VsOMAgNY&start_radio=1

[worldly valve]

This sounds very new lol

[flint aspen]

i rebuilt it and it was fine but i didnt get the fuel rods back

[worldly valve]

Ive had random isssues with my bio reactor

My theory was ut didnt like vlood oil being my only source

So i nixed with fish and never an issue again

But watercooled rods

[flint aspen]

when in doubt just rebuild i guess but its alot more investment with fueling rods so i hope it doesnt happen again 😅

[abstract knoll]

have not tested this

[abstract knoll]

correct

[abstract knoll]

it can out repair a reaper to the point where any damage is instantly repaired

just use an || azurite Battery ||

gonna go test it with || life pod 15 : D ||

https://tenor.com/view/gargantuan-leviathan-adult-gargantuan-leviathan-eating-scary-subnautica-gif-23932335

HOLY SHIT

I WAS NOT READY

everytihng was fibne

until im suddenly launched out of the air

by a ghost

ah

so no

it cannot out heal 3 ghosts

maybe if i was quicker

and had more hull upgrades

debating wether or not to as FCS

i mean it cant hurt right?

[worldly valve]

Lairian managed to cheese the ghosts a bit in stream

The weird grappling mechanics makes it easier to dodge in a way

[abstract knoll]

what does this thing need for power????

a nuclear reactor?

ive tried a bio reactor

or do i just have too few?

[unreal flame]

You can probably use battery banks if you don’t want to run a whole bunch of generators at the same time

[abstract knoll]

Plan on having round 14 banks

muy expensive

[worldly valve]

The aurora provides so many free batteries and powercells

[worldly valve]

so heres a question for people

hpow many grow beds of acid mushrooms do you use?

how many do you feel you need to us?

i use 1 myself

but tbh, i feel like 2 or 3 might not be enough

[abstract knoll]

Currently have 1

gonna work upto more

anyone got any good phytoplankton spots?

i cant seem to find

any

[worldly valve]

omg benzene takes 2000 power

well i hear base plantkon is collectable these days with scoop

tho my base has none lololol

but uh, have you scanned it yet?

it doesnt glow as much pe scan

[worldly valve]

i have encountered your dillemma space

dear lord

||nuclear isnt accessible until river so i guiess im building an extra power room or two jebus ||

[abstract knoll]

yep

15 billion required energy

currently suffering through getting electro chem suit

also i must say

me and a friend tried to combine C2C with Nitrox

did not work sadly

but it makes sense

also

certifiably

FUCK WARPERS

i just want to leave in my seamoth

but noooooo

they wanna be stupid little assholes

[abstract knoll]

got 4 || Battery Banks Set up So far ||

gonna go for 24 or something like that

[worldly valve]

i figured out i cant get 2 on one wall

[abstract knoll]

??

yes you can?

[worldly valve]

can(*

can*

[abstract knoll]

ah

[worldly valve]

barely

but can

[abstract knoll]

oh do you want a glitch for free batteries?

its very useful for mass producing power cells

[worldly valve]

sure lololol

[abstract knoll]

the repulsion cannon and propulsion cannon

at the modification station

so you can pop the battery out

switch from propulsion to repulsion

pop the battery out

and switch back

a 2 free batteries

infinitely

[worldly valve]

[abstract knoll]

its really broken

saves on acid mushrooms too

[worldly valve]

i decided to just decimate the local acid shrrom wildlife

im sure the ecosystem will be fine

[abstract knoll]

100%

i certainly didnt make a DEA crack house base

nooooo

certainly not

[abstract knoll]

i have 1 || sealent || i need out of 8

i wish there was a batch recipe

[unreal flame]

each plant gets one growbed

[worldly valve]

How much power till it worked lol

[abstract knoll]

round a thousand i think?

i had 2 banks a bio reactor plus some solar

[abstract knoll]

it seems there is just no phytoplankton

[abstract knoll]

RAAAAAAAH

[worldly valve]

I been working towards that and the

Level 2 circulation

But i had to make a lot of power banks lolol

In hindsight...i think it woulda been way way way cheaper to just build like 8 bio reactors lolololol

[toxic crown]

Literally assumption

Because the last time i played this mod was early 2024

Decided to took a long break from subnautica modding

Cuz im practically burn out at that point since playing it non stop since 2022

[worldly valve]

6K power for 1 luminol lol

[barren oar]

but not to maintain because you'd have to keep them all stocked up

banks can also be powered by solars and thermals, which you want to have first in order always because they're just free power

and also like the only real expensive ingredient of the battery is the powercells which you can just cheese through the propulsion cannon recipe

which is fair because it eats up your azurite battery without warning you prior if you dare forget you had it in your pro/repulsion

[worldly valve]

My base is below 200m so solar is worthless

[barren oar]

crazy

[worldly valve]

Heat wouod be nice but no heatsource

Once you have an acu with pculus bios are easy to maintain

With 8 bios i can have 80k power stored

[barren oar]

yeah they're free but running around your base, bio -> acu -> bio -> acu -> bio ... is really annoying and takes a lot of time

[worldly valve]

Onoy need to do once in awhile

I would more likely just check 1 at a time

(Not in a row)

[barren oar]

oh was the bioreactor eating fuel constantly fixed

[worldly valve]

Sometimes it doesnt generate power

[barren oar]

my outposts which were powered solely by bioreactors (sometimes by thermals, whenever it was possible) would always be out of power when i got there despite having just an inactive scanner and possibly an inactive moonpool

[worldly valve]

I thought i knew why, but space was talking about nuclear power not charging st one point

[barren oar]

interesting though that it does not happen if you're nearby, from what i've seen

functions completely normally in that case

oh actually the scanner room does have passive drain right

[worldly valve]

I cant say what space had for sure. I just know my bio atoppes generating

[barren oar]

like 0.5/s

[worldly valve]

I thought it was because i only used blood oil and reika added a punoshment mechanic lol

[barren oar]

which is about slightly faster than the bioreactor's speed god it sucks

[worldly valve]

Ive been qondering if base size matters

[barren oar]

i dont think base pieces consume power just to exist

the light and oxygen are powered by sci fi magic

unless c2c changed that actually but i find it rather hard to believe

[abstract knoll]

yeaa

[worldly valve]

I wouldnt be surprised but no idea

My bases are pretty small

[abstract knoll]

i havent even touched nuclear yet

[worldly valve]

You cant until river so

[barren oar]

i didnt find a reason for nuclear though i did reach just pre-alz

the lag was infernal so i couldnt continue and im planning to do that whenever i get an upgrade so i cant say whether its useful after

[abstract knoll]

just got my electro chem suit

[barren oar]

nice

[abstract knoll]

gonna go get me some azurite

[barren oar]

the grind starts

[worldly valve]

Pre alz?

[barren oar]

i say that but its really not that bad if you have one(1) scanner

[worldly valve]

What kind of lag was it?

[barren oar]

like post-ilz and just before entering the alz

[worldly valve]

If i recall you had cascading lag but a bunch of bases

[barren oar]

its fine for a minute or so then it becomes a slideshow

yeah the bases is probably it

[flint aspen]

Nuclear power is the only way to run my bioprocessor in the river. If it doesnt eat my fueling rods... xD

[worldly valve]

If you can find the base/piece the lag will just vanish

[barren oar]

but i cant find resources without copious amounts of scanners

so the outposts stay

[barren oar]

thermals

[worldly valve]

Problem areas tend ti b3 near survivor bases

And particulates

[barren oar]

oh yeah i had one near the || bkelp ||

hekl

[worldly valve]

What you could do is unbuod your outpost and see if the lag clears

[flint aspen]

maybe its all the camera drones

[worldly valve]

If it doesnt then put baxk, if it does its a very very immediare effecr

[barren oar]

too lazy to switch branches but ill keep that in mind for (way) later

[worldly valve]

That one cayses me an issue every playthrough...i always need it for a bit too lol

[barren oar]

though it is the outpost i was using to make sure i wasnt going to run out of power midway through the lr

[worldly valve]

Oh you actuslly transfered powet down there

[barren oar]

or well, midway until the first outpost checkpoint in the lr

no i mean seamoth power

[worldly valve]

I wish that spot wasnt glitcht

As its clearly the best lr e trance in c2c

[barren oar]

im not using the electrical sealant module that shit sucks i'd rather keep the trucker module

[worldly valve]

The main lr entrance is a big trap in c2c

[worldly valve]

Ohhh

[barren oar]

wait actually i reached ion battery stage what am i saying

[worldly valve]

Whats the 4 mods you are usin

[barren oar]

yeah nvm then it's a non-issue

[barren oar]

i can't recall any other than the depth and trucker

is there a convenient way to see them without booting up the game

[worldly valve]

I dont thi k so

[barren oar]

oh i can just look through c2c's source & the vanilla modules

[worldly valve]

Trucker...do you mean the speed module?

[barren oar]

seamoth propulsion module

[worldly valve]

Ye

[barren oar]

you drag things like its a truck

[worldly valve]

Ohhh the

Yeah ik that one

I dont use it too much,, i dislike the speed loss. But it is handy

[barren oar]

might have just been depth + trucker + storage + phyto storage

because phyto is just a better storage and with added functionality to boot

[barren oar]

it's really useful for the lost river specifically

because vehicle damage is orders of magnitude cheaper than player damage

and for an early ilz cheese

that and its like twice as powerful as an azurite propulsion

[abstract knoll]

I got many yummy blue raz pop rocks

yum yum yum

[abstract knoll]

Minor Question

where do i find Polyaniline?

[flint aspen]

it gets unlocked when finding/crafting the ingredients

[flint aspen]

did you explore the ||ecological anomaly|| yet?

(hopefully) ready to get some kyanite 🥵

[abstract knoll]

yes

i have || Flame Cores ||

oh

nvm

im dumb

i just looked at my PDA

question,|| are there any repercussions for salvaging the Aurora? ||

[flint aspen]

not that i know of

[abstract knoll]

oh

FYI

salavging the Aurora is a bit broken

fill your inventory full

then salavage the aurora

it will say you need to drop an item to make room

but it just puts the scrap into a queue

[barren oar]

thats how most item adding works in subnautica

[abstract knoll]

so you can stack a ridiculous amount of scrap

[barren oar]

time capsules do that too

[abstract knoll]

and then go to anywhere

[barren oar]

and unequipping a battery from a tool when you dont have space for it

[abstract knoll]

without the need for several trips

[barren oar]

etc

you still spend the same amount of time actually gathering it

[abstract knoll]

yes

but

if your base is far from the aurora

then it can be timesaving

[barren oar]

thats fair

[abstract knoll]

because the trip may take a couple minutes

[barren oar]

but you now have to deal with inventory management

personally i just speed 4 and craft down the scrap into ingots when i need tita

grinding a few rows of ingots at a time

[worldly valve]

I think ive done it once ever. I dont really run out of titanium post subeam

Seeing as the sunbeam givea so so much. I stopped being abke to really collect sunbeam material, it got all glitchy at the end

[barren oar]

you constantly need titanium fym

[worldly valve]

I had 2 fulls storage wall lockers of ingots

[barren oar]

are you rolling with a 3 room seabase and a single outpost

[worldly valve]

I expect to run out when building the rocket ship

[worldly valve]

I had 3 putposts but i took them all down when i had cascading lag

[barren oar]

ive heard horror stories about the final rocket grind too though i did not get there

[worldly valve]

Tho one of em i may rebuild

Its a lot

I build pretty mimimal bases

[barren oar]

lost river ive found i needed like 4 to safely cross

[worldly valve]

Yeah i always put a bunch of air bubbles down there

[barren oar]

up until the Upgrade™ at which you can simply ignore the gimmick altogether

[worldly valve]

(Tho learning to not use the main entrance can save a bubble)

[barren oar]

do you not use a vehicle

[worldly valve]

You cant on the first venture

[barren oar]

moonpool

(plural)

well on first ever entrance yeah you cant

but you can prepare materials to build it

** ** them .plural

[worldly valve]

I ususlly only build 1 down there hahahaha

Maybe 2

[barren oar]

i dont get how you can progress past that tbh

since the Upgrade™ allowing you to ignore the main gimmick is way later

you'd literally melt before reaching it without a vehicle

and the electrical sealant is straight shit

[unreal flame]

it's just titanium, though

(it's known that the aurora does this and iirc reika considers it a convenience)

[worldly valve]

Does it not prevent all damage anymore?

I know in the bile it might as well not exist but

[barren oar]

damage?

i thought it just lowered the rate at which current was depleted

[worldly valve]

Ohh i eas

Meaning suit

[barren oar]

you can get something later that completely negates it

ahh

[worldly valve]

You can make a dash to a moonpool placed right

[barren oar]

yep my bad that was ambiguous

[worldly valve]

You get low in pwoer for sure lol

[barren oar]

yeah my moonpools were placed such that i'd either be at a nice resource collection spot, at a structure, or far enough away to where you can barely reach it

i definitely could have optimised it but they're pretty cheap all things considered

which the only real expensive ingredient being lead

[worldly valve]

I hated buukding moonpoola before

God how did i put up woth making enzymes before😂😂😂

Without easycraft its like a 4 step process

So my old setup down there was based around things like motors being a pain to craft

Interesting that you find lead rare

The game reqiires so much silver that its hard to imagine running out of lead

So much sandstone

Brokeb

[barren oar]

its not that its rare just that its the most expensive ingredient out of the recipes for moonpool + thermal [+ scanner]