SeaToSea

[karmic drum]

Game crashed. That's my signal to get it in the morning

[karmic drum]

||and to maybe not build my base on a plankton cluster ||

[pine ginkgo]

No thats an intended thing

Plankton will swarm around your base

[solemn storm]

Oh my! Might this explain the weird behaviour I've seen with the sunbeam debris showing up as scanner pings, but nothing there when I check in person? I did delete my CellsCache after hitting https://github.com/ReikaKalseki/Reika_SubnauticaModsShared/issues/27 , which broke my save. Dropping the (undrunk) water, saving, and then clearing the cache allowed me to continue my run, where previously the game would crash on load.

[weary bison]

Why is ||Crystalline Sulfur|| not spawning?

[barren oar]

it spawns under a different form

[weary bison]

Ohhhh thanks

[karmic drum]

Ok. I thought I just got really unlucky with them showing up around my door

[barren oar]

nope they just do that lol

[karmic drum]

||got the seamoth depth mk1 and the plankton scoop crafted. Feeling good, gonna go check out the QEP now||

Funny how even with a depth module and a speed upgrade in the seamoth. My super charged seaglide is still faster

[flint aspen]

The moth can be a bit quicker although it drains the powercell pretty fast. If the ||speed module|| is activated near the surface you can use it to boost yourself in the air and fly/jump pretty far. I call it the dolphin technique 🐬 😂

[karmic drum]

||oh yea. Thinking about adding a second speed. And keeping two power cells in it's storage||

[flint aspen]

I didnt try that yet. Dont know if they stack but that would be awesome!! 🚤

[karmic drum]

They do. But it increases the power drain in turn

It's not bad though. I got loosely 2km on around 20% of the battery

[flint aspen]

Damn ok thats nice!! and here i thought the SlotExtender would be enough 😅

[karmic drum]

I'm not using a slot extender. Seems like it would let me mess up my game balance

[flint aspen]

I know the mod says so but i dont know in what way other than sparing the player from going back to base several times just to change modules. I guess it reduces playtime but it doesnt change the progression in any way as far as i know.

But i understand that it somewhat cheapens "hardcore aspect" of the mod

[karmic drum]

||one of the mods in the pack lets's you get infinite raw resources by several means over the course of the game. If I feel like I need to specialize my seamoths that quickly. I'll just make a second one and a second moon pool||

[flint aspen]

Of course thats also a reasonable method. I guess im just a bit too lazy (i would say perfectionist🤣 ) to build a second seamoth.

[karmic drum]

Anyone know how to distract a reaper? Because I found a life pod. But he... Really doesn't want me going near it

[barren oar]

just dont do something that would make em attack you

also if you hug the ground it cant get you lol

[karmic drum]

I didn't lol. He's just low circling the life pod

Also thanks for the ground tip. That actually explains a few times I've avoided getting eaten in the dunes

[karmic drum]

Oops

Note made

Still. That was exhilarating

[trail ether]

ah yes

the one reaper whose AI I modified

it is not supposed to be possible to access that pod without Preparation™️

[karmic drum]

Well... somehow I blundered into it. I was initially launching an expedition into the crag fields. But as you can tell... I got a little lost. I wasn't able to get into the phyiscal pod however. Only it's surroundings

[trail ether]

by access i mean the things around it

there is a reason that databox takesl ike 90 seconds to repair

just to make absolutely sure you cannot cheese it by forcing you to stay in one spot for a long time, ie denying you evasive maneuvers

[karmic drum]

Yea... the only problem being for some reason it's upwards of 90% possible for him to hit you if you hug the floor. Not sure what makes that possible. But I suppose my attainment of the loot in question could be called illegitimate

[trail ether]

it is

assuming this is the pod i have in mind

hint: nonhuman PDA log

[karmic drum]

Yea. I'll admit when I've cheesed something. Whether I knew I was or not

[karmic drum]

||pod 10||

[trail ether]

yes

[karmic drum]

Apologies. I had no intention of undermining your efforts. I've had so few interactions with reapers that I didn't notice it's ai was modified. I assumed the tip provided by 9th simply reffered to a folly in the construction in general

also have I run into some sort of bugged item here?

[trail ether]

an unfinished item

[karmic drum]

Ok. So I should either update my mods, leave that be, or both 😅

[trail ether]

ignore it

go ahead and hold onto it

but it is useless for now

[karmic drum]

[worldly valve]

The bigger issue is that ai always stuggles with rocks and objects

Its quite fun || diving around the pod and dodging, sibg azure repair ||

[wise hound]

is Resourvce Monitor compatible with c2c? I haven't been able to get it working alongside it

[trail ether]

yes

I specifically patch it a little to make it more fitting recipe-wise, as well as to prevent it from pulling from planters, which shows it is compatible

and I used it in both my Dec 2023 and recent playthroughs

[wise hound]

do you have any idea why it might not work then?

I am also running easycraft, quickslotsplus, warp shield, performance booster, gravtrapstorage, cyclops docking, and the defabricator mod (which i could not get running either)

funnily enough, it doesn't show an error, but rather the mods just don't seem to be applied

[karmic drum]

is there anyway to roll back a save? I saved and logged out due to experiencing persistent lag spikes in a location. And now my save won't load beyond this point when attempting to open it

[trail ether]

sometimes it crashes during load, but this is a random irregular crash that as best as I can tell is OOM

try a few times

[karmic drum]

I have run about 10 attempts, as well as having reset my computer and insured that my drivers are up to date. though those factors are likely unrelated

[karmic drum]

was also able to create a new save with no issues

[trail ether]

ok next step check the log

are there Exception: s being thrown

[karmic drum]

Is it the Qmods log? I apologize for the need for hand holding. I have very little experience in modding this game

[karmic drum]

I have this. But I'm not sure what any potential errors might mean

[karmic drum]

this seems more like the right log

[solar vortex]

does c2c usually have this many missing textures???

no exceptions being thrown in the log tho

[karmic drum]

I don't think it should

[trail ether]

can you post this somewhere it does not need to be downloaded

eg pastebin or github gist or something

[karmic drum]

Oh. Apologies, yes I can

[solar vortex]

[Info : Console] [SubnauticaMap] Destroyed
huh

[karmic drum]

https://pastebin.com/L23PgdwW

[trail ether]

this log has no errors

it just randomly ends

what about the player.log

does that have a unity-level crash in it

usually bordered with lots of ####################

[solar vortex]

so much gold lithium no diamonds </3

me when i have to actually go out for a resource instead of item collector + geyser

[wise hound]

have you played through the game previously? (not modded)

[karmic drum]

https://github.com/Voidkeep33/SN-crash-log/blob/main/Player.log

[silk pond]

yes

[wise hound]

you may have found some shale outcrops on a very important island then

[barren oar]

oh lol i wonder what that is then

oh the solution is probably just a decoy huh

hey are you planning to add a buildable timer that can turn base modules on and off at will because that'd be a fun way to do it (mechanic spoiler ||flash a spotlight or floodlights on and off to keep the reaper away||)

solution could also just be as mundane as a stasis rifle

ooh or something more fun a base nearby that constantly sonar pings so it attracts the reaper to it

[barren oar]

out of curiosity, where did you save? I know there's at least one place (it is a spoiler) that increases load times by a lot for some unknown reason

had a 500s load time, i did also install https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/763 then only to try and speed it up, no clue how much it helped with though

my standard load times are around 100 mind you

[karmic drum]

||it was an sea base hidden in a cave, lots of plants, thermoblade, seamoth acoustic suppression module||

[barren oar]

interesting, so it could still have the chance to be the same issue

[karmic drum]

Sorry. Wanted to spoiler it

[barren oar]

except theres no way because in my case the log was being spammed hard

[karmic drum]

Honestly? If, hypothetically speaking. I'm going to be stuck with multi-minute load times and no complete fix. I may simply start a new save

I make a lot of dumb mistakes. And rn dying means reloading the entire game

[barren oar]

the fix is not saving in areas where load times increase :p

[karmic drum]

Ah. Ok. Well that. Should be easy enough to not do again if your theory is true

[barren oar]

afaik these kinds of issues should be mostly self contained to c2c POIs

[karmic drum]

Ah. I wanted to go in blind. So I did zero research on the mod

[karmic drum]

Also I completely misread this. I thought those were average times after the incident 🤣

If all I have to do is bounce off and do something else while the game loads, and then manage to actually leave the cave without extrmeme lag spikes. Then i'll be good

[trail ether]

this has no explicit crash either but it does look like it is probably OOM

it stops after loading a big object

also

have you tried letting it try and load for like 20 min

[solar vortex]

oh are you not supposed to just juke it---

[solar vortex]

i was moreso commenting how i'm not used to going and collecting metals because i live next to a geyser
i ended up going to the ||mushroom tree because c2c adds (?) diamonds to it||

i should probably just spawn them in at this point 😭

[solar vortex]

||putting an azure battery in the repair tool would've helped. hm.|| (lmao)

oh.

wait i mightve fixed an issue earlier

[silk pond]

smart idea

[karmic drum]

Doing that now. It's slowly but steadily moving along

[solar vortex]

i got the fixer mod to work by disabling all of my side mods

[solar vortex]

after a bunch of relaunching the game with different mods;
uhhh it's multiple side mods probably i don't know

[karmic drum]

Ok, it went up from 14% on entity cells to 34% sort of stalled again but the clocks still going up so I'm gonna let it be

[barren oar]

nice lol

timer increasing isnt necessarily a sign its still doing things either, maybe check the logs too from time to time to see if theres any exception or so

[karmic drum]

And as I say that it jumps to 66%

[barren oar]

there are cases where its an exception so fatal that it stops loading, even though the timer still keeps ticking

oh nice

[solar vortex]

no idea how the fixer mod breaks seatosea when you add other unrelated mods

[barren oar]

its really weird

it breaks at least one c2c mechanic too, despite the code being completely unrelated

[solar vortex]

minor bug; some of the PDA pages get marked as unread every time you reload your file

i've finally done it!!!!

[barren oar]

gg!

[solar vortex]

||wow this uh. doesn't really last that long||

[barren oar]

:)

[trail ether]

do not use it

I think I am going to have to explicitly block the fixer mod

seeing as everyone and their dog is pre-emptively adding it

what is the modid

[barren oar]

did you fix the bug where they do not spawn

because otherwise how do you expect players to get the items it fixes (legitimately)

SeaToSeaWorldGenFixer, it seems (https://github.com/DiusFirius/SubnauticaMods/blob/master/SeaToSeaWorldGenFixer/mod.json)

may be worth mentioning theres also a c2c-fcs integration remover in the works in the same repo lol if you also want to kill that off

[barren oar]

but this is still a problem

surely the answer isnt to cheat it in?

or to tell players to suck it up and start a new save because the crucial item to progression did not spawn (not a byproduct of removing cellcaches, as i never removed them myself and had to install the fixer to get them to spawn)

though there was a hypothesis shared around here that if you first visit ||the bkelp trench, instead of the big bkelp biome where they spawn||, then the generators are setup incorrectly and no longer spawn them in

[solar vortex]

i tested this in creative a bit ago and don't think it's true?

[barren oar]

oh well right back to square one then lol

[karmic drum]

I'm back in my save!

[barren oar]

hell yeah

that was only like... 1:40 of waiting?

hour

there is a chance that fast loading screen actually did help back then, in that case

[barren oar]

oh nvm like 0:50, 1:40 wouldve been from reika's suggestion to just suck it up and wait

[karmic drum]

Yea. Still a hot minute

[barren oar]

may be worth sending the logs in case reika can find a pattern with these abyssmal loading times

i know back when i had this problem myself (albeit for a different POI) it was spamming the logs hard

with exceptions originating from one of c2c's dependencies i think(?)

lol

though it seems i did not have the foresight to send the full log over, unfortunately

[karmic drum]

Yay. Loading times are fixed

Now I need to go track down 30 someodd shock rock. With no protective equipment

[barren oar]

yeah maybe aim for the equipment first lol they drain like a quarter of your hp on pickup only

you can leave the expensive stuff for later

[trail ether]

oh I do

[trail ether]

well I need more information to do that

information I will not get if everyone just spawns it in and moves on

or uses a mod that purports to fix it

which as we have seen is a case of "cure worse than the disease"

and the existence of the other mod indicates this is seemingly not a concern

[barren oar]

from what ive seen it should only setup the generators when you run the fix command and does nothing else of significance

[trail ether]

how does that make sense

[barren oar]

well theres still the chance of the github source being out of date...

nope its the exact same

minus decompilation differences of course

i'd say those precarious object find and reflection is the culprit but again it only runs when the command is, so it should have no effect before running it, let alone during modloading

[solar vortex]

my choice in base layout will now make me briefly panic every time i go up this ladder

the game is repeatedly telling me jelly spinners have no ACU data. despite this, they seem to work fine?

[karmic drum]

That, is still painful then maintaining my ever depleting water supply

Like I swear Riley has to just be constantly taking a piss the way I go through drinking water

[barren oar]

cant say ive had issues with water myself

farming or an acu of bladderfish goes a long way

[karmic drum]

Oh wait, I have the acu. I should start fish breeding

😅

[barren oar]

didnt bother setting up filtration machines or making the 30oz waters, didnt need them

instead opted for outposts with bulbo trees because they're goated as hell

[karmic drum]

It's really just the rate I consume it. Feels like I use 4x as much water as I do food 😭

[barren oar]

not to mention non-bladderfish water is expensive for what it is

[barren oar]

thats usually how it goes yeah

[karmic drum]

I would setup water filters only to passively farm salt. Then just breed occulus and blader fish, infinite cured food on demand

[barren oar]

cured food kinda stinks

you have a better method of preparing them available

though of course saying it outright would be a big spoil

[karmic drum]

||also just got the jailbreak for the multi tool. About to go to turn altera property into bottomless titanium ||

[barren oar]

i can say that you've definitely seen it, because you had to go through that area to unlock a required item which you've already crafted and used

[barren oar]

reallll

||speed 4 + outpost with fabricator and like four outdoor growbeds 🔥||

[karmic drum]

Legal consequences be dammed

[barren oar]

i think i can confidently say 90% of my titanium was funded by that alone

[karmic drum]

||also need to setup item collectors on various thermal vents. Because I didn't think about doing that before I saw that mentioned today||

[barren oar]

good idea actually didnt think of it either

[karmic drum]

Do they have an internal inventory? Or do the items hang in stasis like a grav trap?

[barren oar]

item collectors transfer collected items to a storage present in the base, unsure if it picks closest or random or whatever

so for best organisation it would be a good idea to have a separate base that it would push into

[solar vortex]

it seems to be random

[karmic drum]

Yea. I was thinking basically storage silo's supported by foundations, and loaded with full size lockers

[solar vortex]

||not sure where calcite is. i got sulfuric acid i suppose||

[barren oar]

actually an external, big storage silo would be sick

[karmic drum]

Which is honestly fine. Resource monitor is a premium mod to have. And c2c already lets me compact all my resources

[barren oar]

and would work wonders with item collectors

[barren oar]

go deep

as is usually the answer

well actually you dont need to go any deeper, just noticed the second half

[karmic drum]

Well since we don't have a prefab for that. I'm just gonna stack multi purpose rooms

[solar vortex]

||yeah i figured that was the rough depth. havent seen it?||

[barren oar]

it should catch your attention if you're looking into the distance

a region that's clearly unique

though im unsure if there's one for each entrance or you need to go through the correct entrance to find it easily

i think its a central enough area for it to not really matter, though

[solar vortex]

||i am not sure why i expected not to have to go near the ghost leviathans||

[barren oar]

thankfully they're dogshit

[weary bison]

How do i get ||Calcite||? Does it have anything to do with ||Fosillized Remains||?

[barren oar]

if you look around and pay attention, you should notice an unique area

[weary bison]

In the ||Lost River||?

I see

[trail ether]

that just means nothing was registered for them by DE

so it falls back to some default values

this is fine for you but still an oversight in DE, hence the message

[trail ether]

i strongly recommend having big water for crafting

[trail ether]

that is the point - it removes the Titanium pressure of basebuilding, thus encouraging more

[trail ether]

i like the idea but would it be a normal inv or something more like a DSU

and what mesh would I use

also two people asking where to find calcite while 100m from calcite is disheartening

[trail ether]

also grav traps do not put things in stasis

in my first playthrough my gravtrap grabbed a very unhappy stalker along with a bunch of other fish

[barren oar]

the other ingredients used (||calcite||) make it not worth it i think lol

you dont even save on the ingredients you use in the lesser crafting recipe

[barren oar]

what the hell is a DSU

[barren oar]

good question

as long as its a cylinder you can reasonably retexture it to look like a silo

[barren oar]

oh but gotta have the ladder too to finish the look

which does bring about the question for if it should be allowed underwater at all

[karmic drum]

I used the wrong term. Sometimes I my vocabulary real mixed up 😅

And in mine caught a mesmer pretty early in my run. It was a pain to kill even trapped

[pine ginkgo]

Ok I think I'm going insane

it's been a good 10 hours since the last falling debris

as soon as I got my first one they stopped spawning

[round vessel]

you could try "day" or whatever the command is, maybe your cycle just got fucked

[trail ether]

Deep Storage Unit

originally from Minefactory Reloaded but the concept got imitated 500 times in other mods

basically near-infinite storage of a single item type, as internally it is just an item ID and an int, rather than an ItemStack[]

https://ftbwiki.org/Deep_Storage_Unit

[karmic drum]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

[trail ether]

but what object fits that description

[trail ether]

MFR has been superseded and brought back under a new name and dev several times

personally I have not used it since 2014

too many balance issues when combined with my own mods

[karmic drum]

I have not played that in some time. Nor have I used a DSU in some time... they are normally over thrown by popular digital storage solutions unless the player is promted to otherwise via custom progressions

[trail ether]

DSUs could be used with AE

and indeed that is one of the primary use cases of the storage bus

I never needed that because ChromatiCraft has the void cell, which is basically a DSU in AE cell form

[trail ether]

or with similar DSU-like objects like JABBA, ThermalExpansion caches, StorageDrawers, etc

[karmic drum]

Yes. It can, but most, from my own personal experience. Would simply opt to expand their drive collection. As opposed to pathing out the infrastructure required to support off-site connected storage

[trail ether]

that is very expensive

personally I always used things like caches for bulk storage over larger (>16k) cells until quite late into progression

hard to beat that for cost-effective storage of 12000 oak saplings or 8000 canola seeds

canola seeds in particular is one of those things that even in the early midgame you need an absurd quantity of, and having a huge buffer is very prudent

unless you like damaged, chewed-up gearboxes, I suppose

[karmic drum]

I never claimed the methodology present was intellegent or effective. It was merely what was most apparent. Likely as a result of a falsely percieved "time cost fallacy" where a player likely believes that it is more work in the extended time, to create a barrel system, the space to house it, and the infrastructure required to support it. Then it is to simply create drives and have the problem solved in the immediate time. Only to be left with the problem of having to create more drives or dramatically reorganize one's storage at a later date.

[trail ether]

I do not think you want to get me started about players taking the lazy-but-actually-more-painful way out

my modpack is designed specifically to force players out of that and it is extremely contentious as a result

[karmic drum]

As I am currently reading a paper on behaviorism.... that is a fair assumption and I'll agree with it 😅

[trail ether]

and this applies in SN too

look at the people who say building a scanner room is too much work and then proceed to spend 12 hours combing the ground for items

and then bitch about how long that took

[karmic drum]

It's most likely why I appreicate the flavor of SeatoSea so much. It puts me in a position where I have to regularly stop and be contentious of my actions and methodologies

[trail ether]

also https://i.imgur.com/iu9Gk4V.jpg https://i.imgur.com/KRodMUj.jpg

actual images of the time

[karmic drum]

It is not present in gaming alone either. Rather it's a general problem of a mass social disconnect from principles such as integrity, discipline, paitence, or critical thought

[karmic drum]

I can't imagine the sea puppy was pleased with his predicament

[karmic drum]

Speaking primarily of 1st world, western cultures. As I am fairly ignorant of eastern cultures

Hehe. Funny how a single word being absent entirely twisted the context of my editited statement

[worldly valve]

So while i dont think reika will approbes

How do we get to the void lifepod and live long enough

I mean the answer would be very clever use of creature decoys, vortex torpedos, and possible savrificing a seamoth

I may fiddle with this dumb idea tonight lol

[karmic drum]

I think the simpliest solution. In keeping with the practices of c2c, the apparent ideology of the mods, and the way they are intended to be played. Is simply to ignore the pod until you are presented with a problem for which it is the only possible solution.

At that time the solution to the problem of the pod itself should be relatively apparent

I can't count the number of times in my save. Where I have found my biggest difficulty by attempting to play the mod as you would regular subnautica and strugged for hours to obtain resources that I'm not close to ready to obtain

[worldly valve]

Agreed

But that is kind of

My motive lol

[karmic drum]

And you are absolute in your thinking that you are missing no more prominent technology needed in reaching the pod?

[worldly valve]

Oh i know the tech sir

[karmic drum]

Then it is truly just a method of obtaining the required finesse to obtain the loot

[unreal flame]

RotA has a "compressed storage" silo/DSU object

[worldly valve]

You know how sometimes devs make a game mode that isnt meant to be beaten

And the played go

Hold my beer

[karmic drum]

No developer of any game. Witin any mental capactiy willing creates a game full of problems that a player cannot solve. For they themselves are players. And create games so that the enjoyment they feel may be shared with others. But that said, some challanges do require fair amounts of critical thought and intuition to overcome

[worldly valve]

I uh

Know that there are many difficulties in games made like that

Not all but

Many games have a

"Fuck it nightmare mode"

That was never meant to be beatabke or even to be tested

But people figure them out

In outer wilds

There are a few areas you can use a jetpacj to brute force a puzzle

Its harder, unintended, but plausible within the ohysics system

And its very fun to complete a puzzle in an unintended way

[karmic drum]

Becuase they aren't made to be truly uneatable. They are made to be apparently unbeatable to provide a memorable challange and experience to the most skilled of gamers

[worldly valve]

This isnt exactly the best game example

But i can say with pretty high certaininty in sat fnaf for example

The custom nights were never designed to be beatable

outside ultimate custom night

As that one had its own design philosophies

[worldly valve]

I guess the beat way i can explain it is

The knowledge that the task is meant to be inpossible, is the primary notivating factor

[karmic drum]

The bioprocessor being a power sink was no exaggeration...

[trail ether]

and on hard it is 250% power cost on top of that

[karmic drum]

I'd read that yes

But honestly I like it's cost

Gives me a motivation to build actual power infrastructure

[worldly valve]

Id love see to see a bit more on how you went about your playthrough Reika

Thi i also know why you are quiet about it

[karmic drum]

8 geothermal generators in the jelly shroom caves should be a sufficient start

I um... need to be more careful when placing those

🤣

[worldly valve]

I think it every okaythrough ny power has been 2 bio reactors....

Least for main base

[karmic drum]

I would rather have more power than I need. Especially since

||raw resources aren't limited as you get further in||

You just trail power from base to base if need be. And have a centralized energy production facility

Though that would be tedious

Probably a handful of self sufficient power centers

Each acting as a hub for a different area

[worldly valve]

Id need to have buily an entirely differnet baee

Dear lords running power to the river fron ny surface

I think i did get nuclear at one pojnt

Oh ueah , with the free photoplankton and seep vines you couls get to liquid breathing without scoop...i used the free reactor rod to fund that first playthrough

[karmic drum]

Ok. The bioprocessor kicks. Totally worth power consumption

[worldly valve]

Theres a couple recipea that are rough

But if you found the secret sauce its not so bad

I think in total you cann add like

175% efficiency?

Fabricator room may add more

[fiery fiber]

I love the bioprocessor. It's one of my favorite structure as well of the mechanic of making g stuff in it

[worldly valve]

|| 50 from a card, 100 from the sauce, 25...from something...maybe a tech gave it passively?||

|| and i assunr that fabricator room helos too. Ir is it a machine?||

[fiery fiber]

As for storage fcs has digital storage although o haven't got far enough to get it yet

[karmic drum]

||I found out you can basically multiple it's fuel enzyme. At least with it's 4x craft||

[worldly valve]

The bioprocessor could be quieter tho

Its super loud

[fiery fiber]

Ya true

Also if easy craft could work with it that would be awesome

[worldly valve]

Lairian and leiland had their eers bleed a bit last strean

I think reika shouod tell people that she uses easycraft

See my brain would have told me its probably too powerful and itms cheating lololol

The amount of time id have saved going through my 20k chests

[fiery fiber]

As for power I always build my first base near a thermal. Then build a foundation in it and place as many thermals as I can fit on it. Until I can start using some fcs power options. Once again tho that's quite a grind

[karmic drum]

It doesn't make things easier. Just less tedious in terms of time

[fiery fiber]

Which ... I do t mind .. I'm in no rush to co.plete the game. Sheeh I haven't even gotten liquid breathing yet and I been playing c2c foe almost a year now 😪

[worldly valve]

Bio needs little grind. Tho occulus acu is a bit

[fiery fiber]

Ya true ... that's one thing I do t like about it

[karmic drum]

I like how things can feel like a bit of a grind. But that grind has purpose. It challenges me and gives me new experience

Probably gonna make some water filtration plants after I get power setup. For both a steady supply of water. And an in-house supply of salt

[karmic drum]

Does power get less efficient the further you move it?

[worldly valve]

Unsure

Ive never tethered bases together for power before

[karmic drum]

Because either I'm going mad.... or 4 thermal reactors is somehow less powerful than 1 bioreactor

[worldly valve]

I wonder if you are being hit by a similar limiter of the solar panals

Im unsure how reika linited solar panels

But i suspect its in the generation

Maybe thermals have a similar current limit?

[karmic drum]

I mean if that's the case it's fine. I can take them apart

[worldly valve]

I like bios becauae thwy can be a bad nuclear reactor

Full of occuli is 10k power

The current is the real limit

[karmic drum]

||just about have the electromechanical suit. Just need a bit more poo||

[worldly valve]

You know miss miller

We just need a stool sample

[karmic drum]

Dude. I'm legitimately short one piece of crap. For the entire suit recipe

[worldly valve]

Why do you need a stool sample, when you think im just a nut?

Because the ansers now in your head my dear, ita in your buuuuuuut

Everything comes down to poo

[trail ether]

I found a potential explanation for the missing worldgen

however if true it affects every WorldGenerator - not specifically-placed objects like most of my worldgen, nor ore-type slot-based gen, but anything using a WorldGenerator object, which includes a number of things - not just the ||redacted||

this right here https://i.imgur.com/2u6CMep.png

since writing that i learned from testing that setting fields of non-serializable on components during prefab definition usually fails

specifically here https://i.imgur.com/vdLqTgn.png https://i.imgur.com/tMGXtFZ.png

these commented-out bits are from failed initial implementation attempts at the "get random resources from grinding salt blocks" thing added in march

and I remember looking this up and realizing that when you set fields in a prefab what you are setting is fields in a template, which is then copied with UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate

anything that is not serializable - this is the bit i found online - is just skipped since unity has no idea how to copy that

and this made some past headaches over the years with similar issues in "seemingly populated in prefab but never taking effect" properties

including DI data chits - the little orange PDA-like things used in C2C - and more

every time the fix was to, rather than set it directly in the prefab, set the data into a cache and have the prefab just store a serializable key (usually a string, usually i went with the classID), ie like this https://i.imgur.com/70QEWM9.png https://i.imgur.com/U8yxFAm.png

now for worldgen that is...harder

there is no such easily conceptualized unique key, since the same WorldGenerator object might be run many times with different parameters

wait

no

they are positioned

each WG is a unique one

though that is not true for their type

ie a given instance might not be reused but there may be 200 instances of a given class

see ||https://i.imgur.com/vgFW5sR.png||

[worldly valve]

Neat(i wish i had relevent info to add but i did genuinely enjoy the read above)

[trail ether]

I added code for the ||redacted|| to attempt respawn if none are present

this will also help if for some reason you actually collected them all

see how much better actually solvinga problem is than using some half-assed patch mod

||https://i.imgur.com/NlCxQBQ.jpeg||

I also added logging, separate from the main log, for worldgen

that will help debug for people having no worldgen

and I added more validation to warn if the mod is loaded but worldgen is not, and in fact will not let you continue playing

@errant cairn that one is for you

[errant cairn]

Thank you so much. However, my 30+ hour save is still broken.

I don't think I'll be getting back into C2C unless there's some way I can recover even half of my progress

In like an hour

I just back read...I'll have to check out my C2C save...hopefully something magically fixed itself or C2C stops me from playing it

When I get back to my PC

[errant cairn]

Try for/while loops for repeated WorldGen. Or set it on awake if you have a custom component for them

[errant cairn]

I'd be willing to help solve some problems...once this camp is done and I can get set up for Legacy modding

[trail ether]

also I am giving the mushroom disk spores a sprite and a use

they will be usable in the AE ACU feeder, and will be much stronger than plankton

[trail ether]

there is a way to try and force the generators to re-run

look at coordinatedSpawnsInitialized.smlhelper in your save dir

it is a JSON of every "completed" CoordinatedSpawn

anything you remove from that will respawn

[errant cairn]

Perrrrrfect tysm

[trail ether]

be warned it is huge

like 10k entries

[worldly valve]

What about the plankton feeder outa curiosity?

[trail ether]

but you presumably know how to find the specific things to hit

[trail ether]

not a good idea to boost that

[karmic drum]

I know virtually nothing about coding. But I have been reading papers on human and animal behaviors. And it's interesting how computer seems to emulate many biological neural processing systems and patterns. So that made this an interesting read.

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/0sS0Irg.png

[errant cairn]

I do...just thinking like if I should use code to hit em all or just go through them and hit em all based of CTRL+F

[worldly valve]

Lololol

I seeeee

Does the plankton feeder have any other mechanics other than the boosted animal spawns?

Noy looking for the answer, but that if there is one

[trail ether]

yes

you may not like it

and I do not mean the lag

[pine ginkgo]

Probably too vague of a question but what could have happened that broke falling debris in my save

Or maybe its not broken and Im extremely unlucky but its been a good 15 hours now

[trail ether]

i doubt it broke

but it will not fall if you are deep

[errant cairn]

Define deep

[trail ether]

lost river or deeper

[pine ginkgo]

hmm well im not that deep

probably an hour or so of those 15 were in the LR

otherwise I've been out collecting azurite and getting a bunch of stuff to get ready to go to ||the void||

after I got my first ||nanocarbon|| one hasn't fallen, I've got the scanner room upgrade for it too and theres been nothing

[karmic drum]

I have debris falling quite regularly. But I lack the skills to manually triangulate them myself. And also don't have the technology to locate them otherwise. Or more accurately the resources to fabricate the technology

[trail ether]

building update now

[worldly valve]

I fiddles with it for a bit when i was tryna get tungsten

[karmic drum]

||alright now my biggest progression gate is the liquid breathing apparatus||

||and I should probably start messing with ACU's and food/power production soon as well||

[barren oar]

check exploration findings you might be able to see where it is for free lol

it was unlocked in the findings for me before getting it, i assume its just range-based or something

[karmic drum]

I haven't seen anything just yet. But I'm happy to just work on my base for now, explore a bit here and there, setup in house food and water production, figure out power. I think If i reduce my thermal gen count to around 2... then I should be able to get that system under the current limit

[barren oar]

damn rip

[trail ether]

I already fixed that

[barren oar]

oh nice

[trail ether]

^

also completely unrelated

but rather well related to C2C and SN as a whole

so, many many (>10, probably closer to 20) years ago I was watching some piece of "edutainment" media, probably related to either space exploration (more likely) or anthropology (less likely) that made a remark about humans' drive to explore, specifically using phrasing like "humans are born explorers" who "always want to see what is over the next hill"

now over the 12 years I have been making mods that depend on exploration I have gotten a lot of complaint from people who lack any such drive and in fact actively avoid anything even resembling exploring, and then either get forced to do something they hate, get blocked in progression because they refuse, or get stuck with no idea how to proceed because the idea of leaving their base is so foreign to them that it never occurs to them as a thing to try

to this I usually reference the above sentiment, which I have seen echoed in similar ways in the intervening years

but I have never been able to find the original thing I first heard it from, and which was the best delivery

part of me wonders if it was from some segment with Sagan but some searching did not find anything

[errant cairn]

Should I use code to hit it all or go through 10k entries and select which ones I haven't hit (yet. I think the latter will give me spoilers I don't want)

What will hitting it all give me in an advantage?

[trail ether]

i do not understand the question

[errant cairn]

Its very easy for me to change all of the entries in my .json in my save to the opposite value using a language like C++ or C#. I can also look through all 10,000 entries and manually set them, but I will probably find spoilers. Which should I do?

[trail ether]

are you asking if you should clear the entire cache of what generated? absolutely not

[errant cairn]

Real quick is the value type that store if X has generated bool?

[trail ether]

parse error

[trail ether]

speakingof https://youtu.be/YH3c1QZzRK4

[merry gorge]

Will the mod ever be ported to 2.0?

[barren oar]

sometime after a nautilus stable version is released

(then reika has to go through all her code and port it to living large standards...)

[errant cairn]

(aka rewrite adapt it)

[karmic drum]

Got my first acu and feeding system setup

Occuli and bladder fish

[worldly valve]

If you dont have epic i do recxomend trying out the mod

[pine ginkgo]

Ever since LR I’ve been getting really bad stutters around 20-30 minutes after opening my save, it’ll start with my game running perfectly smoothly then after a bit my game will drop to 0fps every second or so for a tenth of a second

Ik thats not very descriptive

But I’ve removed every scanner room or most things I’d assume would be causing the issue

Im solid sure its not a PC issue either

Any suggestions?

[trail ether]

it sounds like GC

are you running out of memory

[pine ginkgo]

I have 16gb, the game is usually sitting around 4100mb and other stuff on my pc is adding to around 8000

Ill see if I can reduce the other stuff

[karmic drum]

Yea. Check to see if you have any applications which you open yourself. Like chrome or Spotify. Running on their own in the task manager

As they are just absolute RAM sinks 😭

[pine ginkgo]

I have a lot of junk open, but I never really had this issue or any performance issues until the LR

So I didn’t know if it was anything tied to that

[karmic drum]

I can't say. I have 48 total gigs of ram. So I'm not the best for diagnosing memory issues

[pine ginkgo]

nah thats fair, I've honestly never had issues with running out of memory

[twin lotus]

Hey y'all, I have a question, on one of the longer to repair databox, it keeps going 2->3->2%, is this intended or ? (it's the only one I have found yet where this issue arrives)

[worldly valve]

Hey randal can yiu give us your cpu/gpu usgae number

I have an issue where the cascading lag causwa my pc to use less and less of itself till nothing it used

Its weird

[pine ginkgo]

from task manager or somewhere more specific?

[solar vortex]

idk if im just lazy or
the fish in the acu always seemed to reproduce fast enough

[trail ether]

other stuff being open is less relevant to GC

GC thrashing happens within a specific process, when that process starts approaching the maximum allocated memory

in Java this is the max heap size, ie -Xmx

in C# there is probably an equivalent

[worldly valve]

Mmm i run

What di i run

I use fforce overlay thing

[solar vortex]

i suppose this is me when i power the bioreactor by throwing random junk in

[trail ether]

the last update I made them degrade if not repaired

for three reasons

[worldly valve]

Where is this databox

Ohhh hahhaahhaah

I bet i know which one

[solar vortex]

i mean it could just be ||the underwater islands one or something||

[worldly valve]

They def do. Especially if occulus

[karmic drum]

Interesting. I didn't know any of that was a thing before

[worldly valve]

10k stored power babyyy

Nah with what reika just said

I bet its

|| crash zone||

[pine ginkgo]

||lp 10?||

||the one with the super aggressive reaper?||

[worldly valve]

Yeeeee

[trail ether]

that is one of the three reasons

[worldly valve]

||super aggresive 2 reapers you mean ||

[pine ginkgo]

I actually didnt have a problem with that one using an ||azurite battery and some creature decoys||

[trail ether]

I added two separate things to prevent cheese on that databox

[worldly valve]

Did you move thr rock

I woulda moved the rock

[pine ginkgo]

nah

[trail ether]

no world changes were necessary

[pine ginkgo]

Ive gotten so used to just juking out reapers

[trail ether]

that is also no longer possible

I saw to that

[pine ginkgo]

but I also have a stasis rifle now

but I got that box far before then

[trail ether]

||https://i.imgur.com/2o2Xhxw.png||

[worldly valve]

So im really fat when there?

Maybe ill remember tonight to try and

|| see if i can recreate my creature decoy strat in the void now with vortex torpedos ||

[trail ether]

do I need to apply a similar nerf ||in the void||

because I will

^

[worldly valve]

I mean the thing i wanna do i would never reccomend to someone

[pine ginkgo]

I also need to find out whats wrong with my falling debris

[worldly valve]

As i imagine what im gonna try to do will take a few hours

[pine ginkgo]

I don't want to just ||spawn in nanocarbon||

but its all im waiting for and its been 20 hours

[worldly valve]

The first one is roufh

Oh

[pine ginkgo]

as soon as I got my first one it just stopped falling

[worldly valve]

That is rougg

So you did get 1

[pine ginkgo]

yes

but the scanner room module hasnt done anything

[trail ether]

do you have runtime editor installed

if not add it

[pine ginkgo]

alrighty

[twin lotus]

^ This one, I get the degrading but no matter how long I repair it doesn't go higher then 3% (I am using repair tool + copper battery so if it's just progression locked lmk hahaha)

[trail ether]

think harder about what you need to do

and/or what your options are

[twin lotus]

alright thanks

I think I have an idea, just didn't want it to be a bug or something hahaha

[trail ether]

then search for FallingMaterialSpawnerTag

[pine ginkgo]

||is it intended that you use a stasis rife there?||

[trail ether]

there should be one object bearing that component

and it has a timeLeft float

[trail ether]

yes

that is the explicit gate that it was always designed around

that too is one of the original C2C progression gates

[worldly valve]

Tho its been easy to get tbh

But thats because of creature ai

But thats why you made player fat

[pine ginkgo]

wheres the legacy version of the runtime editor

[solar vortex]

technicallyyyy it's not like you're making it after unlocking it early

[trail ether]

progression is not that simple

it is not about "Early"

it is about "does it need the thing it is explicitly designed to need"

[pine ginkgo]

ty

[trail ether]

i do not care how early or late it is, only that requirement

[worldly valve]

Hey reika, what are the list of extra mods you use for c2c. I know a couple of em

[trail ether]

I listed them

[worldly valve]

I waa gonna reccomend them to Lairian

[trail ether]

multiple times

[worldly valve]

Is it pinnrd?

Ill check pins

[trail ether]

^

[solar vortex]

reika can't pin stuff i think

[worldly valve]

Oh

Man discord such a poopy progran

The amount of stuoid iasues it has

Anyways

And cheers

[solar vortex]

i should probably make the stasis rifle.

i remembered what you said earlier about people being stubbornly inefficient

[worldly valve]

Well that applies to some of the things

|| tho see i saw building the rifle as innefficient. Mostly because levithans arent really a threat once you know how the ai works. I mean lazily dodging the the left ans up is pretty easy ||

Auto farners are in a weird apot

Spot

They take a heavy amount of resources

And a heavy amount of power

Experiementing with the setup to make it work could easily take 2-4 hours

And like even if i assume it would only take about 30 mins

Still need to access the seperate inventories

Would that really make it any faster than stabby stabby?

Because as they are and how ive seen the ezperimebts

I just cant imagine them being worth it

[solar vortex]

hypothetically it could let you have less growbeds i guess

[worldly valve]

Yeah but growbeds basically cost nothing

Ive never come remotely close to eating up all the free scrap on the map

[solar vortex]

moreso a space thing rather than titanium. because titanium is easy

[worldly valve]

I guess i never buikt the auto farmer

I figured it would be rather large

But fair i suppose

[pine ginkgo]

here @trail ether ?

[worldly valve]

Still, they are expensive

[trail ether]

yes

[worldly valve]

Ao hard to imagine time ever beinf saved with them

[trail ether]

if you have none that is a sign something is rather seriously wrong

[worldly valve]

Maybe if you know exactly how to use auto farmers alrrady it could be woeth the time

[worldly valve]

But an average person wouod probably reasonably take 4 or 5 itterations before they could get it efficient

And again, stabby stabby ia real fast

[pine ginkgo]

thats when I searched static

nothing for scene or deep scene

[worldly valve]

Nit to mention auto farmers are gonna be founs very late in a playthrough

[solar vortex]

i wonder if using an autofarmer with a bioreactor is a net gain or loss of power

[solar vortex]

not really

[worldly valve]

I belueve loss

They are below 400 in floating ailes

Its possibke to find earliwr

(Might be 300/350 actually)

You will have an extremely substantial base by then

[solar vortex]

i did not need the recirc mask for them im pretty sure

[worldly valve]

You dint "need" recirc for 400, but i think most people would find the farner with a scan room

But even if you find it earlyish

[solar vortex]

am i misremembering where the databox is??

[worldly valve]

Its below the "main" wreck

[karmic drum]

400 is do-able without liquid breathing. But it takes some finesse

[worldly valve]

I guess i always run with 2 uktra highs for the 5 mins of air bwfore mod

Technically we are just talking recirc mask

That amkes 400 very do a ble

[karmic drum]

Oh. I don't even know what that is

[worldly valve]

You need it for liquid

[karmic drum]

I'm just exploring while my acu get's itself up and running

[solar vortex]

i never really ran multiple tanks

[worldly valve]

I just cant imagine not using multiple tanks

Its just too handy

[pine ginkgo]

hmm yea I have no idea whats wrong with my game

no FallingMaterialSpawnerTag in the scene

[karmic drum]

What is the maximum fish capacity per single ACU?

[pine ginkgo]

but I dont know what I would have done to remove it in the first place

[solar vortex]

you should probably have the info terminal

it tells you that ;p

[karmic drum]

Yea

Heading home now

[trail ether]

it sounds like it is failing to be added

let me check where it gets put into the scene

[karmic drum]

Does matching an acu to a given creatures biome type grant it a boost in productivity?

[trail ether]

oh wait

the spawner is a "queued" event

not the actual manager object

there is no manager GO, as I do not do things that way

that said

@pine ginkgo run queueFallingDebris

that will force-queue an event

might take a while to actually occur

[pine ginkgo]

Alrighty

[trail ether]

but that should reboot the timer cycle

as a spawn clears the existing item and triggers a new queue

[pine ginkgo]

worked

ty

[trail ether]

I wonder if your game crashed at just the wrong moment

during a queue cycle

[pine ginkgo]

I think I've only had it crash once when loading

so yea probably

otherwise its never crashed when my save is fully loaded

[solar vortex]

pretty sure it does

[pine ginkgo]

why does opening the pause menu double my gpu usage

[solar vortex]

for a full biome in an acu you need || only species from that biome, at least 2 plants from that biome, and a sufficient predator/prey ratio||

[pine ginkgo]

also, even with plenty of free memory my game is still getting quite stuttery

[karmic drum]

||then I'm fine with just the bonus from the feeder for rn.||

Damn fish are breeding too fast for my single acu. Gotta stack this thing more

[worldly valve]

Do you have something like geforce overlay?

[pine ginkgo]

I think I have it disabled let me check

[worldly valve]

Tbh i dont think i can be helpful injust wanna know if its the sane thibg

[solar vortex]

an incomplete biome might give a partial boost. i have no idea

[pine ginkgo]

nope

[worldly valve]

Im curuous if it droos your cpu usgae like mine

[pine ginkgo]

like over time or once I launch the game

[solar vortex]

the mountains are eerily quiet
did all the reapers starve or something

[pine ginkgo]

there are some patches where its quiet

[worldly valve]

Over time

[worldly valve]

They travel a bit more in this mod, mostly because you do lol

[pine ginkgo]

it seems t ostay around 30% after opening but Ill run it for a bit and see

[worldly valve]

So they can move out of their areas easier

Then they stop moving when not loaded in

So i think the ai strugfles to circle it back

Its a cacading problem for me

The longer it runs, the lower usage my cpu and gpu dies

Till ge gets real low, cant recall the number off hand id be pullin outa my ass

But it gets low

Then fps drops

[karmic drum]

Yes. Yes it does

[pine ginkgo]

would too many seabases cause problems like that?

[worldly valve]

Well for me it wasnt quanitity

It was specifc ones

[pine ginkgo]

I have one in ||the glass forest that I never removed, maybe that could be causing problems, but my problems didn't really start until the LR||

||I have one by the entrance near the cache where the alleviation tank is found, one inside the skull of the large fossil, and one next to the disease research facility||

[solar vortex]

one of them noticed i was looting the mountains too easily. darn

[worldly valve]

Ive found in all my playthroughsa baae next to blood kelp trench || by the survivor base || casues my lag decay

[pine ginkgo]

Hmm maybe Ill move that one, its pretty close the ||the base||

I can reach the one next to ||the skull without stopping there so its pretty useless||

[solar vortex]

assuming ||one of the azurite batteries|| is just consumed when you make the ||stasis rifle||?

[pine ginkgo]

Thats what happened to me

So yea probably

Makes sense since its not like it can hold two

I went from needing like 0 azurite to crafting the stasis rifle and refractive lenses back to back haha

Genuinely curious if the ||seamoth towing module is meant for carrying rocks to the rock crusher?||

||its annoying to set up a base for power and move a rock slowly towards the crusher with a prop cannon, so I thought the moth might make it easier if you set up the crusher at your base and drag the rock there||

I also have a base near the ||mountains cave base, so I wonder if that may be causing issues too||

omg dude

||as soon as I deconstructed the base next to the LR surivivor base it immediately stopped my lag||

[worldly valve]

Yeah its usualyl like that

I dont know what causes it

Gpu used and cpu usage goes doen to nothib

Super weird

No one else has ever found the xaused base when i tell em😂

[pine ginkgo]

That was actually ruining my playthrough

[worldly valve]

Im glad hou fohnd the base

Most people just say im not gonna do that lol

[errant cairn]

honestly im just occasionally checking here for things

avoiding spoilers where i can, but watching...lurking

wait can you deconstruct all survivor bases?

[karmic drum]

||so I built a base in the floating islands, my scanner pigged a tag for sunbeam debris, I swam out there, and when I arrived. The marker vanished, there was no wreck, and my scanner room had completely lost the selection for it... what?||

[worldly valve]

No, but there is a bug that ove incocnsistently noticed

Now thats a new variant

Actually wait

Were you far away from scanning room?

[karmic drum]

||found the seamoth tether module. But I don't think that's gonna help me much||

[worldly valve]

The range of the scann room os a bit biggwr than the hud chip

Its good for a few things...in the river it is super handy.

[karmic drum]

No. It wasn't more than maybe 200 meters out

[worldly valve]

On thr surface tho...its not fastet then azure seaglide collecting stuff

[karmic drum]

I'm gonna do a fragments scan to see if there's anything worth while. But without liquid breathing I don't think this floating island recon base is going to be worth very much

[karmic drum]

||yea. Still giving me vanishing sunbeam pings. But now they're scattering. Vanishing and reappearing. Leading me into the ecological deadzone. Like some weird triangulation mechanic||

One things for certain. They do not want us down there

[worldly valve]

Wowsers

[karmic drum]

I love exiting my seamoth and it launching me into an obiect...

[solar vortex]

"south of the west grassy plateaus at 731m" why does it think i haven't been to the lost river 😭

spoilered because random pda pages on the side and i guess some fauna

[pine ginkgo]

Finally got out ||to the void and got some abyssoclase. Now I need to get sulfuric acid. I can only assume I need crystaline sulfur, so I think Im going to get the seamoth towing module and a rock crusher down into the LR.||

[karmic drum]

Building recon bases today did not go as planned. Identified more then a handful of POI's but all beneath my diving distance. Also finding the scanner room being slighly less effective at locating critical data then I'd like (I really just suck at using it) so I'll probably go back to manual sweeps tomorrow

While Exterminating every bone shark I come across

[worldly valve]

scanning room is def the way to go

what is your perceived depth limit?

[barren oar]

trucker module user spotted my MAN 🤝

might be the single most useful item that isnt strictly required for progression in c2c

[pine ginkgo]

I actually can't think of a use case other than dragging rocks to the crusher

[barren oar]

its fun

also i think it can carry more things like creatures ...?

[pine ginkgo]

getting it right now so I guess Ill see

[barren oar]

vaguely recall dragging a warper along by mistake

though im not too certain on that

[pine ginkgo]

is ||the acoustic surpression just for the void or does it actually work against other hostile creatures?||

[barren oar]

former

||in the idea that the others can actually just See you||

||ghosties attack you solely because they hear you far away inside their territory and ascend to fuck you up and get you to leave||

[pine ginkgo]

I also kinda wanna make the ||propulsion module but im not sure how to actually get brine coral for the enzymes (ive found it just not sure how to collect it yet).||

[barren oar]

||first thing turn off the c2c nest fix mod if you have it, it makes collecting brine coral impossible for some unknown reason||

other than that yeah glhf lol

[pine ginkgo]

I deleted it as soon as I got the nests to spawn

[barren oar]

gg

i had it enabled long after that and before it was found out to be the culprit, so i thought mine were just bugged and cheated them in lol

ill do a proper c2c save sometime when it doesnt end up at 10fps in the midgame

[pine ginkgo]

||oh yea I guess I also have to figure out how to negate the higher power consumption in the LR, or just build moonpools||

I guess I could try ||engine efficiency, but I feel like itd be a bit more complicated than that||

[karmic drum]

Anything above 500

[merry gorge]

Steam

[karmic drum]

Then I would heavily endorse the mod collection as well

[pine ginkgo]

Now I gotta figure out how to get tungsten grains

[weary bison]

I have a question if i back up my save play on 2.0 for a while and then switch back on legacy install the mod will my progress save?

[bitter kraken]

If you dont enter the save then it should be completely fine

[weary bison]

Thanks

[karmic drum]

So, is it normal that my heatblade is duplicating cooked fish on kill?

[worldly valve]

Yeee

Its the best

I assume its intent

[karmic drum]

Ok. I just wanted to point it out incase it's a bug

[worldly valve]

(Please leave the bug if it is reika iy just saves a bit o time)

[trail ether]

yes

[worldly valve]

Not to mention its usefulness drops like a rock in river

[trail ether]

it was a buff I added to the thermoblade, but it does feel kind of wrong

[worldly valve]

It mostly just mitigates food grinding in the mid game a little bit

(Course water is the real problem)

I find its best use case is stabbing a peeper or bladderfish for the +8 -+10 water

[karmic drum]

Water is my eternal struggle (I can probably automate 90% of it. But it's gonna take a lot of infrastructure)

[worldly valve]

Ehhh one water filter is enoigh nostly

[unreal flame]

could you perhaps instead tack on extra food/water value to the fish maybe?

[karmic drum]

Had their speed been substantially buffed?

[unreal flame]

inverse decay

[karmic drum]

I only remeber them being slow in base game

[worldly valve]

With one at my baze above jelly cave it mostly gives me the water i need and on occasion i even store it

I dont exlusively drink it, therm9blade helps a bit

And i also eats lots of marblemelons

[karmic drum]

Oh. Yea for me it makes more sense to have an extensive water infrastructure system that way I can have as much as I want without needing to ever worry about running out

Plus for me it's just another project to work on

[trail ether]

i am not sure that will work persistently

ie i think the values will reset on reload

...unless i make a better copy of every cooked fish prefab

[unreal flame]

sounds like as much of a pain as the smoked fish

[karmic drum]

That does sound like an exhausting solution

Seems the easiest option overall is to just necessiate the player having a proper food production system

Which between autofarmers

||upgradable ACU's and phytoplankton being stupid easy to get once you have the scoop||

Should incredibly easy

[trail ether]

that is done automatically with a for loop XD

acually i could repurpose that same loop

just make two copies in each cycle

and then just define the other copy

[karmic drum]

If I put Gasopod in an ACU, will they be able to passively produce gas pods?

[trail ether]

no

[karmic drum]

Ok.

Cool, I just wanted to check

[unreal flame]

the collector should definitely do that (doesn't it already do that for stalker teeth?)

[trail ether]

I want gas pod collection to be manual

unlike teeth it has actual gameplay

[karmic drum]

That's fair

[worldly valve]

Fortunately ou dont need gasopods too too often

[errant cairn]

@trail ether I updated and my larva still dont spawn

oh nvm i just had to wait

omg i got jumpscared so hard

the spawned while i was there extremely suddenly

[worldly valve]

Lop

[errant cairn]

oiookkkaaay

huh

didnt know you shouldnt save in a seamoth

game crashes on load

just had to load twice

it work now ™

[karmic drum]

Huh. I always save in mine

That way I don't loose a bunch of progress when I die and have to totally restart the game

[barren oar]

saving in a vehicle is where you should be saving

because saving in a base causes constant microstutters... or at least did, back when i last played about two updates ago

[unreal flame]

:(

[tight creek]

I found there are some updated info about C2C in Subnautica modding wiki

[unreal flame]

updated how?

[tight creek]

Just someone has edited. A user created a page named "Tongue Lily"

[karmic drum]

Does the reinforcement pillar raise a bases integrity rating?

[errant cairn]

Idk try it. What's the harm in trying?

[barren oar]

it doesnt

lol

[errant cairn]

That isn't maintained by anyone here

[barren oar]

its intended to but the base system stinks so it isnt implemented yet

[errant cairn]

Let alone Reika

[barren oar]

and was exposed accidentally

actually it seems it was recently made t owork

[karmic drum]

I'll try it out Ig. Just looking to redo my bases in a way that doesn't involve spamming foundations (I can't make reinforcements yet)

||gonna go finally setup a vent collection base. We'll see how this works||

[karmic drum]

Isn't the item collector made to send items to the nearest base?

[barren oar]

it is

assuming it can find one within its search radius

[karmic drum]

I wonder if I put the collector too close to the base of the vent then

Becuase I tested with a piece of copper and a silo base on the edge of the vent. And it's just holding the copper like it's caught in a grav trap

[barren oar]

it seems it finds every base within range, actually

[karmic drum]

Ok. Yea that was it.

[barren oar]

range being 20... probably meters?

[karmic drum]

It was too low to the base

It's picking up everything now

Including the fish...

[barren oar]

lol

[karmic drum]

Not really looking to store fish at a raw mats base 😂

[barren oar]

honestly i think you just have to deal with it

[karmic drum]

I do

But it's a small price to pay

[barren oar]

kind of unfortunate there isnt really a way to sort stuff though

but aqueous engineering isnt very much about automation and more towards general qol so its understandable

[karmic drum]

I mean you could technically install something like autosort lockers. But I'm not sure if she's balance flagged something like that or not

[barren oar]

the item collector'd just insert wherever it feels like anyway lol

it picks a random container from every base in range

[karmic drum]

True

[barren oar]

kind of hard to sort things when you dont even know where they're coming in

[karmic drum]

Solution is just stupid amounts of storage, resource monitor, and a trash can next to it

[barren oar]

as long as it works yeah

[worldly valve]

I got rid of my item collector

I got sick of random fish ruining my storage

I didnt find much use for it

[karmic drum]

This is just a temporary test until I get access to the prawn

[worldly valve]

Have you made it to river?

[karmic drum]

No. I'm still pre-liquid breathing unfortunately

[worldly valve]

Ah

You are close to prawn?

[karmic drum]

Nowhere near I feel. Haven't even found 2/3 custom ingredients to build the cyclops. And I'm almost certain you need the reinforced dive suit to finish exploring the aurora.

And I know where the custom mat for the dive suit is... and I don't want to go there anytime soon 😭

[worldly valve]

||its only the void ||

|| just dont be afraid of the dark. Just like outer wilds dlc ||

[karmic drum]

||I just need to do the Azurite farming for the autistic module||

[barren oar]

it doesnt take nearly as long as it sounds like it would

actually one of the most chill grinds in c2c

[karmic drum]

Oh It's not gonna take long. I have a scanner base setup in the caves below the mountain island

[worldly valve]

9th speaks truth

[karmic drum]

I just need to actually go do it lol

[worldly valve]

Tho depending on wherr you are

It may be worth delayint a little

Till you get something

[barren oar]

what

it spawns there?

[karmic drum]

Not in the cave. But in the surrounding biome

I go full range on all my scanner rooms

So it'll be able to pickup a fair bit of it

@barren oar can confirm. The reinforcement pillars work

They just don't give an immediate notification that they do

[barren oar]

oh right yeah mountains has a few || heat areas || of itself

i dont think theres enough to get everything needed though?

[karmic drum]

No. Likely not. But I know other areas. I'm just gonna loot that spot first since the others are more reaper intensive

[barren oar]

i found they dont really bother to attack you unless you're in a vehicle

[worldly valve]

There is somethubg that helps with azurite farming a bit

[karmic drum]

It's cause the seaglide makes far less noise

[worldly valve]

This. Reapers are weak to rocks, and casually moving up and to the left with azure seaglide

(Or down and right or any combo. It also helps to be brave and joust)

[barren oar]

really just circle them and they dont stand a chance lol

too dumb to turn around

[karmic drum]

Huh. I've already got half the Azurite I need. Dope

[barren oar]

nice gg

[worldly valve]

Noice

|| do tou have the sealed suit tho||

[barren oar]

||do you really expect someone to farm them knowing full well that'd be like 19 nanowraps to tank through the damage||

||thats definitely an exaggeration iirc azurite damage is only like 30 after the damage from being nearby||

still not a grind anyone getting this far into the mod would do lol thats just dumb

[karmic drum]

Yup got the suit the other day

Also man... props of building my main base where I did.

I was sitting on a treasure trove of the shit

[worldly valve]

I did but i did super slowly

I would grab 2 or 3 when nearby

I had eniugh before it😂

[barren oar]

you're crazy did anyone tell you that

[worldly valve]

I mean it wasnt a high level of effort

[barren oar]

i couldn't stomach the incredible damage it does before The Upgrade

[worldly valve]

I didnt "grind" them

[barren oar]

mostly because first aid kits suck and nanowraps are too expensive to be worth

until you absolutely need them (in a crafting recipe)

[worldly valve]

I was more grinding sunbeam

[karmic drum]

I'm gonna need to make some Nanowrap. Gotta go mercury grinding

[worldly valve]

First aid kits i found to be enough long as i keep food/water abive 80 since increased healing speed in c2c(i think) when high

[karmic drum]

And the best place I kmoe for it rn is that hot ass cave

[worldly valve]

Now nanowraps are something i jave never grinded. Tho i can think of uses for them

[barren oar]

in my experience, you can find enough outside of it until you have the reinf dive suit

[worldly valve]

Im not sure creating najowraps will save me healing time

I dont remember mercury being a pain to get

[barren oar]

in theory they're an upgrade as they heal +10 and much faster

[worldly valve]

|| there are also a few big nodes of it if you have tether||

[barren oar]

in practice however you're sacrificing an entire slot and precious resources for no real reason

[worldly valve]

True but, i can just pasively generate shit tons of nedkits with low effort

And not need to grind a bunch of semi pain to get materials

And if you keep food water high, healings not a big deal mostly

[karmic drum]

||I have the tether, but not the rock crusher or the heat sink||

[barren oar]

yeah unless kits are changed to be like 2 hp and it takes four and a half hours to heal it then they're still king

[worldly valve]

|| heat sink for bulb cave?||

[barren oar]

and obviously that would make early game healing too shit

[worldly valve]

And wouod just make the inporved food mechanics that much more pronoubced

[karmic drum]

Oh.

[pine ginkgo]

I won’t be able to play for the next week since Im on vacation but I want to know if Im on the right track with ||tungsten grains. Does it have something to do with tonguelillies? Im thinking they filter it out either in plankton or the lost river brine.||

||also maybe something with the rock crusher based on its description in the PDA, but Id have to idea what to do.||

[worldly valve]

|| right track based on my intel. Ive never gotten it to work in full. ||

[worldly valve]

|| clever girl. I know i did this wrong refer below||

https://youtu.be/GBgL5EE0wd4?si=hoNIkoboCk9N6Ffx

[pine ginkgo]

Yea but the description is very vague so I’ve got a lot of testing to do I guess

I put some exterior beds in ||the brine. Should I put the tonguelillies by one of the plankton dispensers, or is it fine to put them next to one of the clouds surrounding my base. I suppose this is something I should test instead of asking though||

[worldly valve]

Mmm my knowledge is incomplete

I never managed to get it yo work

Lol

During my testing the other way completed itself firsr

|| im unsure what the plabkton feeder does , but reika hinted it does more than nultiply. I did experiemnt a little with gettifn it to work with base plabkton||

|| the one major pitfall that i think is hard to solve is using too many lillies||

[trail ether]

that is the plan but it is not finished yet

[karmic drum]

👍

[errant cairn]

does anyone know ||exactly what triggers the sunbeam debris||? I really don't want to look at the source code then realize im stupid and didnt ||trigger the spawns ||in first place

[barren oar]

Scan

[errant cairn]

which scan?

cause ive scanned with the scanner room

and found shit

[barren oar]

though im unsure if that spawns them or merely enables them to create an item

[barren oar]

yeah just that worked for me just fine

[errant cairn]

well nothing has spawned